Government Keeps Trying To Censor This Brewery. The Owner Isn't Having It.
"Do you really want to live in a country where government bureaucrats, based on whim and personal preference, can censor whatever they don't like?"

Jim Caruso, CEO of Flying Dog Brewery, calls his business a "First Amendment brewery." That's because he keeps going to court to defend beer labels.
It started in 1995, when Colorado's Liquor Commission objected to the label, "Good Beer, No Shit."
Bureaucrats told him, "Pull the beer from the market, or we suspend your license," he says in my new video. That could have put him out of business.
I tell Caruso, "I'm glad we get to say 'shit' in this interview, but I can see why the regulators didn't want the word."
"Want free speech?" Caruso responds. "You have to respect that in others."
After four years of litigation, Colorado's Supreme Court overruled the liquor commission, ruling that "no shit" is free speech.
Then Michigan's liquor commission banned another Caruso beer, "Raging Bitch" (remember, it's "Flying Dog" brewery).
The bureaucrats said the label was "detrimental to the health, safety and welfare of the general public." They told Caruso, "Oprah doesn't use the word on her show."
Oprah?
Michigan police ordered him to pull Raging Bitch from the shelves, or they'd confiscate it.
Caruso went to court again.
"Do you really want to live in a country where government bureaucrats, based on whim and personal preference, can censor whatever they don't like?" asks Caruso. "Movies, books, music lyrics, news stories?"
"No," I respond. "But I wouldn't want to fight over a beer name. What do you care? Change the name of the beer."
"All of these battles are fought at the margin. That's where everything controversial is," responds Caruso. "By the time you're defending something mainstream, it's too late."
After six more years in court, he won again. The court said, "Banning a label for vulgarity violates the First Amendment."
You'd think the bureaucrats would have known that, since the federal government already approved Caruso's beers. In fact, every brewer in America must first submit every label to a federal bureaucracy called the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau.
Which makes me wonder: Why does every state need separate regulation?
I suspect the answer is: Bureaucrats want jobs, and politicians are eager to waste our money.
On top of the feds' hundreds of pages of rules, Caruso complains: "Every state has its own regulations. I think Maryland is 300-some pages, single-spaced….The cost and time for compliance is onerous."
This year, North Carolina's Alcoholic Beverage Control Commission rejected another Caruso beer, "Freezin' Season."
The label depicts a cartoon figure in front of a fire. It might be a naked man…or not. If you squint at it, one tiny line might represent a penis.
Oh, no! Who will save us? North Carolina's BEEReaucrats!
They told Caruso it is "inappropriate" to expose children to that image and cited "Rule 15b 1003-3(2)," which prohibits labels that are "undignified, immodest, or in bad taste."
Bureaucrats love writing lines like "Rule 15b 1003-3(2)." North Carolina had already rejected more than 300 other beer labels—such as "Polygamy Porter," "Beergasm," and "Hedonism."
Most rejected breweries then usually just sell their banned beers in other states, but Caruso sues. Good for him for spending his own money to defend a principle.
Days before his first court hearing, North Carolina suddenly approved his beer, saying their change of heart "rendered the case moot."
But Caruso pursued his litigation anyway, saying: "It's not about one beer label. It's about striking down an unconstitutional law!"
He also pointed out, "If it was to protect the children before, and now they've lifted the ban, they're either sacrificing children at the altar of evading a preliminary hearing, or they're just full of shit."
North Carolina's liquor commission wouldn't agree to an interview.
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This whole this is going to come to a head.
Fortunately, Flying Dog has a stout heart.
But they are being mislabeled as bad actors.
Something to be pint over.
The man is a master of his craft
Beer there, done that!
I barley understood that one.
Of coors you wouldn’t.
Poor sqrlsy. All he wants is to be accepted. I feel your pai... uh, well, you know what, I'm not gonna do that.
Well, better he fight them in court, than just keep selling his beer and risk a mug shot.
If there was only a way to tap into this campaign of beers.
It’s good they aren’t keeping there anger all bottled up inside.
Do NOT wine about offensively named beers! Suds offensive beers are good for what ales ya!
Oddly enough, one of your most coherent posts.
At yeast he tried to make a pun.
Government overreach is what ales them.
And that was only the first draft of the regulations.
I hope this doesn't sour them on brewing.
I wouldn't get my hopps up for them.
In fact, if I were the owner, I would be in fight of flight mode.
In fact, if I were the owner, I would be in fight or flight mode.
Pa. The. Tic.
The bureaucrats are drunk with power.
Sad how indecorous society has become.
Yeah, that’s the worst part of today’s world.
Not worst, just a sign of a culture in decay - parallel to broken window theory.
Barley recognizable.
Yes and no.
As a kid I remember my mom incensed seeing a tee-shirt that said "bitch". She said such shirts should not be allowed. Fifty years later she sees two gay men holding hands and says that shouldn't be allowed. It's the same attitude. The gay men were quite decorous. Not making out in public. No anal sex in public. No tee-shirts with "bitch" pointing at the other dude. But it was the same attitude. People shouldn't do something and so it should not be allowed. Presumably by the government. Presumably by Trump.
So is that beer labor indecorous? Sure as shit it's indecorous! But what's the solution? Big government to ban it? Biden won't ban it, so maybe we need an indecorous pussy grabbing president to Trump to ban it. Either way it needs to be banned! Because it's indecorous!
On the other hand, government going around banning stuff is several orders of magnitude more indecorous than a beer label with "bitch" on it.
Biden won’t ban it, ..
LOL
Liberal with mommy issues, news at 11
It shouldnt be govt banning - it should be public demanding better.
October and your TDS is still acting up? Damn son.
Maybe get the number to Mommy's therapist and seek professional help.
Is it wrong to wonder why children are reading beer labels?
I'm glad it's not the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Hot Sauce.
Half the shoppes near Bourbon Street would have to clear out their inventories.
We love to call all manner of government employees "heroes". Soldiers, police, teachers, politicians, etc. Some of them probably are. This guy however definitely is a hero.
For those so pissed they want to cry in their beer, they’ll need a pouter keg.
This is the old joke of a guy goes to a psychiatrist and does an inkblot test. He says the first one it 2 people haveing sex, the second one is 2 people haveing sex, and the 3rd one is 2 people having sex. The shrink tells him he has a dirty mind, and he responds with me? Your the one showing me porn
I fucking love this guy.
Stossel must have been on vacation the last 10 days...
> "Good Beer, No Shit."
He wasn't wrong. I've had it. It's good shit.
It’s this kind of shit— namely, the government involving itself in what some sexist rube calls his beer— that makes me want to pick up a bazooka and fight it out with the local constable. Not the fact that women can’t get an abortion in Texas without getting sued, not the fact that the fucking gestapo is patrolling the Southern border, not the fact that this country continues to interject itself in regions of the world where it doesn’t belong, not the fact that it spends almost a trillion dollars a year on the military of a country that hasn’t been invaded since 1815, but because some flack has a problem with the name “Juicy Cunt” beer. That’s real government overreach right there.
Agree with you on the censorship and Biden voting to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. Other stuff? Pay your mortgage.
what some sexist rube calls his beer
some flack has a problem with the name “Juicy Cunt” beer
If view of your former claim, it's interesting that you chose to manufacture the only even remotely "sexist" beer involved.
Half the stuff you mention is hoaxes, and you're bad at history. Look up Pancho villa and also the Japanese Aleutian campaign.
His next beer should be called "Fuck Oprah".
The Oprah beer has a big head.
His next beer should be called "Fuck Joe Biden". And under the cap it should say "Fuck Donald Trump too!"
Sorry to hear you can’t shake that case of TDS.
He only added the biden part after getting called on it for weeks.
But no one will. Literally no one will fuck Oprah.
""All of these battles are fought at the margin. That's where everything controversial is," responds Caruso. "By the time you're defending something mainstream, it's too late.""
This is why I have been so disappointed in certain commenters here since the start of the pandemic. When you just "can't get excited" about some infringement of liberty, because it isn't your ox that's being gored, don't be surprised that when it finally IS your ox, it's too late.
Good catch. I didn't think much of this quote when I listened to the interview.
This is the essence of my "when you concede all roads leading to mandates, you have already lost the battle over mandates". Caruso's quote is much better and more universal.
Offensive to children? What is a child doing in a place that they can readily see this label to begin with. No reason they should be in a liquor store or a bar where they could see this to begin with. And if a parent brings it home, and it's seen in the confines of a persons home, then the govt has no reason to be there to begin with.
All the local grocery stores sell beer, typically in an open cooler near floor level.
But still not a threat to anyone's health or safety, so no reason to ban label choices, even if they are in poor taste.
What is a child doing in a place that they can readily see this label to begin with.
You really need to get out more.
This makes me hopping mad.
I'd be hopping mad too if I were a lying bot-faced pony-soldier.
"Do you really want to live in a country where government bureaucrats, based on whim and personal preference, can censor whatever they don't like?"
Hell no, that's Jack Dorsey's job.
LOL! Bureaucracies are hilariously bad at logic. 1) Children can't buy beer. How are they being exposed to the labels? 2) Businesses don't import products that offend their customers. It is self-regulating.
1) Children can’t buy beer. How are they being exposed to the labels?
Not that the censorship isn't stupid and shouldn't be fought (it is, and it should), but if you can't think of any of the many ways in which a child might see a bottle/can of beer....
Can you think of many, many ways a child might be killed or horribly injured by a can/bottle of beer?
Luckily, we don't have to play the 'can you think of' game. Instead, we can play 'how would a market handle this' (pun intended).
Karen is everywhere and complains about all kinds of shit. Stores don't like complaints. They also don't usually place specialty beers on endcaps. Put the beer where the label is not easily seen. Going out on a limb to guess that people who actually buy the beer don't give a shit.
If all else fails, blank stickers. Stores have lots of them.
We don’t , and shouldn’t want to, live in Disneyland .
The "think of the children!" argument is the prevailing excuse for pretty much all bad legislation. It's the go to in the absence of any real, logically sound supporting argument.
Because, after all, if you are against their bad idea then you must hate children!
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I would vote for Caruso and/or Stossel, and send in contributions. These are the people who delete bad laws, reduce coercion, and set a good example.
Yes, and because that is so, you wind up with a one-liner comment because you can't be the obsessed little turd you normally are. I mean, come on man. Instead of just agreeing, there must be a way to mention Trump. You can do it.
"Darn it, I thought I be the beer tester, not the label reviewer."
would be
every brewer in America must first submit every label to a federal bureaucracy called the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau.
why are we tolerating such control over everything. we shouldn't have to get approval to label anything beyond copyright purposes
We tolerate it because they have handcuffs, jail cells and the manpower.
Remember the pregnant mother with toddlers in Australia that was arrested simply for calling for a "Freedom Day" protest against the heavy-handed lockdowns? If 80 or 100 of her neighbors were available to help, it might not have happened that way.
If there were a town called Semple, they could set up a brewery there and produce a beer called You're In Semple.
Tastes like piss water.
https://www.flyingdog.com/beers/raging-bitch/#
Being that this was banned by Michigan, I was really hoping it had the "Big Gretch" on it.
Don't care much for IPA, but I'd buy it just for that.
Can't get Yuengling beer in Michigan. Have to drive all the way to Ohio for it. That is , IF I want to drive to Ohio. But why would I?
I think they also had some controversy over their "Doggie Style" pale ale.
Idiot state poohbahs are SO iggerunt.
They've apparently never been around the dog world.. kennels, breeding, showing, raising training, etc. If they had been, they'd know that canines come in only two kinds: dogs (with the things that stick out) and bitches (with the places to put those things).
Anyone whos ever been around that "world" nows this.
Sometimes I think these gummit poohbahs spend our tax money sitting about prpobably drinking some dogs and bitches beer, inventing and imagining issues that MUST be DEALT wITh or the entire society will crumble......... get a life.
Now I personally am not comfortable with the names on some of these labels mentioned. but I have a very simple solution, actually two. One, just leave THAT container on the shelf at the store Problem solved, MY kids won't ever be "exposed" to whatever it is. Two buy the stuff if I REALLY like it, and scrape the label off before the kids see it, Or plop another one over it.
I do NOT need some powermad gunnit dweeb deciding what is suitable to enter MY home when I am the one with sole authrity to bring it in or keep it out. What, they think I have no means of dealing with such "threats"? And if the poohbahs are all knicker-be-knotted because such a label just might be visible inside a bar/tavern, they are REALLY asleep at the helm. KIDS CAN"T BE INSIDE BARS, dummies.
Even though I'm not a huge IPA fan I occasionally order a Raging Bitch just because it's so much fun to say it out loud in public. There's nothing particularly spicy about this one's name, but it is *hands down* the finest porter I have ever tasted. Flying Dog really makes fantastic beer, and the heroism of Dan Caruso makes it even better.
https://www.flyingdog.com/beers/barrel-aged-gonzo/
I'm going to buy this beer as a political statement! Thank you Caruso and Stossel for a great interview. When Caruso wins, we all win.
I applaud the brewery owner's tenacity in fighting for the first amendment and hope he wins. At the same time, I will never be one of his customers. Needless vulgarity and self-indulgent "edginess" are signs of cultural and moral decay and leave me cold.
America's bureaucracies are filled with do gooders, nanny state over seers and other assorted losers who couldn't make it in the real world so they choose a job in the government as a bureaucrat. The bottom of the barrel, the end of the line, where social misfits, the bullied in school/skirt clingers go because they have nothing else going for them. They have no skills to offer anywhere else except to squat behind a desk and collect fat paychecks.
While I agree that the beer label fights are silly, it's informative to see all the people here who only defend the Constitution when they feel like it.
The 21st Amendment, section 2, gives states unlimited authority to regulate alcoholic beverages, so they can (and often do) make whatever arbitrary rules they want. If you think that's bad, fix the Constitution, don't pretend it doesn't say what it does.