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Don't Let the Capitol Riot Become a 9/11-Style Excuse for Authoritarianism

Frightening events create openings for attacks on civil liberties.

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After the 9/11 terrorist attacks, horrified Americans were ready to embrace virtually any proposal that promised to keep them safe. Government officials, for their part, were eager to curry favor with the fearful public and saw an opportunity to promote legislation and policies that had failed to win support in the past. The result was a surge of authoritarianism from which the U.S. has yet to recover. Now—with the public understandably concerned after the January 6 storming of the Capitol—we should brace ourselves for another wave of political responses that would, again, erode our liberty.

"We're going to have to figure out how we rein in our media environment so that you can't just spew disinformation and misinformation," Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told her Instagram followers this week. "It's one thing to have differing opinions but it's another thing entirely to just say things that are false. So that's something that we're looking into."

The socialist lawmaker isn't always careful about her words, but it's worrying when officials talk about a need to "rein in" the media in any context. There's really no way to cast government action to that end in a good light, no matter what policy tools are intended (Ocasio-Cortez's office hasn't responded to a request for comment). To let government agencies "rein in" the media is to put control over speech and the press in the hands of people who always see benefit in less scrutiny and criticism of their own activities.

That free speech might well take a hit is apparent from the pasting law enforcement is getting for, allegedly, being too considerate of First Amendment rights before the events at the Capitol.

"FBI intelligence analysts gathered information about possible violence involving the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6., but the FBI never distributed a formal intelligence bulletin, in part because of concerns that doing so might have run afoul of free speech protections," NBC News reported on Tuesday.

The report goes on to reveal that in preparing for the protest that degenerated into a riot, the FBI did share intelligence with other law enforcement agencies, neglecting only to issue a formal Joint Intelligence Bulletin. But the overall impression left by NBC and by the behind-the-scenes leaks from officialdom on which its reporting is based are that respect for free speech got in the way.

Since then, the FBI has made up for lost time, issuing a bulletin highlighting the "threat of violence" from a range of "ideologically diverse" extremists. The danger is real, as the violence of January 6 demonstrated. But so is the danger of an unrestrained federal agency with a history of interference in domestic policy debates, spying on activists, and even trying to sabotage political parties—revealed in great detail by the 1976 Church Committee report. An FBI stung for being too respectful of individual rights in the recent past may return to its old habits in the future.

In its efforts, the FBI and its allied agencies are almost certain to have the support of the new president. After the storming of the Capitol, President-elect Joe Biden was harsh in his description of the participants. "Don't dare call them protesters," he said. "They were a riotous mob. Insurrectionists. Domestic terrorists. It's that basic. It's that simple."

Biden's choice of language is interesting because, even before the election, his campaign promised to "work for a domestic terrorism law"—an idea reportedly favored by his close advisors. What a new law would look like isn't clear, but Biden has a history with such legislation.

After the 9/11 attacks, Biden claimed authorship of the Patriot Act, which has been much criticized for the damage it does to civil liberties in the name of combating foreign terrorism. "I drafted a terrorism bill after the Oklahoma City bombing," he told The New Republic in October 2001. "And the bill John Ashcroft sent up was my bill."

The uses to which the Patriot Act has been put since its passage should be warning enough to be wary of any legislation proposed in response to the events of January 6.

"The Patriot Act was the first of many changes to surveillance laws that made it easier for the government to spy on ordinary Americans by expanding the authority to monitor phone and email communications, collect bank and credit reporting records, and track the activity of innocent Americans on the Internet," the American Civil Liberties Union summarizes. "While most Americans think it was created to catch terrorists, the Patriot Act actually turns regular citizens into suspects."

"This is really a debate about the standard our government should have to meet in order to obtain personal information about individuals from banks, hospitals, libraries, retail stores, gun shops, and other institutions," Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) argued about ongoing controversies surround the Patriot Act in 2011. "Government agents should not be able to collect this sort of information on law abiding American citizens without showing that they have at least some connection to terrorism or other nefarious activities."

Twenty years after its passage, the Patriot Act lingers on, still threatening civil liberties.

"The government has interpreted a high-profile provision of the Patriot Act as empowering F.B.I. national security investigators to collect logs showing who has visited particular web pages," Charlie Savage of The New York Times reported just last month. "New tensions have emerged over the extent to which the F.B.I. could use that law to gather logs of people's web browsing activities, as opposed to using warrants — a tool that requires investigators to first be able to produce evidence that a person probably engaged in wrongdoing," he added.

Despite much moaning about the absence of a domestic terrorism law, the Patriot Act has had considerable and very intrusive domestic impact on Americans' privacy.

The fallout from 9/11 also brought us amendments to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which authorized mass surveillance campaigns that were exposed by Edward Snowden and ruled unconstitutional only last September. We saw the establishment of the simultaneously creepy and incompetent Department of Homeland Security, and the further transformation of air travel into an ordeal under the groping guidance of the Transportation Security Administration. All of this was presented to a frightened public as part of a necessary response to the attacks in hopes that nobody would notice that the proposals had been gathering dust on shelves, just waiting for an opening.

"Many of the changes have precious little to do with the dangers that we saw on September 11," George Washington University Law School's Jonathan Turley told PBS in 2002. "Many of those things are part of a wish list of intelligence agencies that they've wanted for decades."

Given that government officials' wish list of expanded powers are endless, and that they were calling for new laws well before the storming of the Capitol, we should expect a flurry of legislative proposals in the weeks and months to come. We'll need to scrutinize them very closely, on the assumption that they'll be as dangerous to freedom as past schemes to protect us from risks real and imagined.

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339 responses to “Don't Let the Capitol Riot Become a 9/11-Style Excuse for Authoritarianism

  1. The socialist lawmaker isn’t always careful about her words

    Why should she be? Most of the government, mass media and academia agree with her.

    1. It’s one thing to have differing opinions but it’s another thing entirely to just say things that are false.

      Like socialism is superior to capitalism?

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        -1/2 point.

        Sometimes a socialist solution works better than a capitalist one, and vice versa. The ideological impediment against going outside one’s ideological prejudices usually does more to impede flourishing than it does to facilitate it.

        Perhaps a true moderate way is necessary here. That’s called modern Liberalism.

        1. Socialism rarely works better than a free market solution. Especially at the federal level. The founders understood that. Hence only 18 enumerated powers.

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    2. If you’re not with us, you’re against us!

      1. ^Actually quite a missed message in there. Everything has to be dictated at the federal level I guess to ‘punish’ those against us?

        It’s not about a good ‘plan’ for these people that think this way. It’s about FORCING those plans on EVERYONE… i.e. Authoritarian.

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    A village is looking for an idiot named “White Knight”, last seen Tuesday on Reason, insisting the chemical formula for water is HO2. It is believed he went off to drown his sorrows in a bottle of ethyl alcohol, which he believes is CH3OH.

    “He’s very important to us,” responded village elders. “Sure, there are lots of idiots out there, but he was special, and we really want him back.”

    1. One hopes he makes a mistake with H2SO4.

    2. “he’s very important to us”
      Here are more libritarian lies

      1. Maybe he offed himself.

    3. “He’s very important to us,” responded village elders. “Sure, there are lots of idiots out there, but he was special, and we really want him back.”

      Naturally. It’s very important to village elders to have a good idiot around to make themselves look smart by comparison, lest the common rabble figure out that the elders are actually the idiots.

      1. lest the common rabble figure out that the elders are actually the idiots.

        Harsh attack on FoE.

        1. Harsh attack on FoE.

          How so? I assume you’re talking about Fist of Etiquette, but I don’t see him in this comment thread. Is White Knight believed to be a sock of his, or did I miss some huge argument in another thread a monkey shit fight at the Reason comment section zoo?

          1. Nothing like that. Yes, that FoE, an elder on this here board if ever there was.

            1. Ah, I see… wait a tick, does that make me an idiot for not getting it at first? Damn, my whole self image is blown.

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      2. Someone once said something about not arguing with fools. But fuck that guy, he was probably just trying to get someone else to shut up after losing an argument.

    4. Lol. He also thinks the sun only sometimes rises in the east.

      1. Well, if you happen to be at the north or south pole…..

  4. Is this an appeal to your coworkers, because most of your commentators and readership get this.

  5. “Don’t Let the Capitol Riot…”

    As opposed to the mostly peaceful demonstrations that caused billions of dollars of damage, and the deaths of dozens of people?

    1. Rape, general. Don’t forget there was rape.

      1. Rape, murder, arson, and rape.

        1. Antifa only pawn in game of life.

          1. That deserves a Candy-gram

        2. So rape, AND rape-rape.

    2. Well, the fuckers in the media, and on Capitol Hill, and probably Tuccille here (pronounced Douche-AY) either covered up, minimized or cheered on all THAT destruction-posing-as-protest.

      But MY GOD!! A couple hundred MAGA hats get into the Capitol Building and it’s compared to Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

      What IS dangerous to our democracy is the administration of law and justice in wildly disparate ways against different groups. Which we are very clearly seeing.

      Even the denial of obvious truths is enraging. Enough that a person of middling paranoia levels might think there were some people (probably not associate with the DNC at all) deliberately trying to turn anyone who went to the rally, supported them, voted for Trump OR has suspicions about the Dems handling of mail-in ballots (even though Democratic politicians have NEVER BEFORE done anything unethical) into some kinda NooJoos, whose existence must be suppressed because look at all the trouble they cause.

  6. My first thought during the capitol deal was about how the new overlords are going to work with the old establishment overlords to clamp down even more on the American people. What amazing opportunities they have had: 9/11, covid, and now this.

    1. Yeah, what an amazing opportunity Trump and his supporters have given to our totalitarian minded government. Gee, thanks y’all. Thanks a lot.

      1. “Yeah, what an amazing opportunity Trump and his supporters have given to our totalitarian minded government.”

        So the debble made ’em do it, you steaming pile of lefty shit?

        1. Had your Dear Leader accepted defeat like a man, and had people like you not eaten up his steaming piles of lies, AOC and Biden and company would have one less excuse to tighten the ratchet.

          If a domestic terrorism version of the PATRIOT Act is passed in response to this “insurrection,” you, your Dear Leader, and the rest of you conservatard losers will be directly responsible.

          1. this is an incredibly naive perspective.

            1. I’m sure whatever legislation they pass was written a long time ago, just waiting for an excuse. Well, this is the excuse. It would be naive to say otherwise.

              1. they would have gotten their gulf of tonken event before the 20th no matter what dude. They would have manufactured the excuse if they had too.

                1. I disagree, but whatever. Regardless they’ve got their excuse and they’re gonna use it.

                  1. “I disagree, but whatever”

                    He concedes lolol

                  2. the bill was already written, the language and narrative was already emailed and ready to read off the teleprompter, the stories were already written and the purge targets were already selected. This was going to happen no matter what precipitated it, a simple tweet on the 20th would have set it off.

                    1. So Trump and his followers bear no responsibility at all?

                    2. “LOOK AT HER DRESS!!”

                      it doesn’t get less stupid just because you believe it’s true sarc

                    3. Trump and his followers wield 0 power at this point.

                    4. Only the people who vote for the legislation are responsible you fucking lefty shit.

              2. AHAHAHJ THEY TOOK POWER AND TOLD EVERYONE WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO WELL IN ADVANCE BUT THIS IS THE EXCUSE

                AHAHAHAHAHHAAH OMFG LAUGH AT SARC EVERYONE

              3. They don’t need an excuse when they successfully cheat elections to seize totalitarian power, you fucking moron

                1. The way the election and subsequent inauguration are playing out, it sure looks awfully weird, right? Think about how the election went and the way the media treated the situation. Then how the Capitol thing happened and the reaction afterward. Now there’s going to be an inauguration with no one in the mall and 20k+ troops surrounding the event. I mean, if you just had visuals to go by, you might think the country just got taken over by force.

                2. You gave them the power by clinging to your conspiracy theory delusions.

                  You caused this.

                  1. You are pathetic and weak

                3. “You caused this.” — by threatening the regime and asking them to authenticate a suspicious election. DID THEY do a thorough authentication and post it for the people to see… NO!!!

                  The level at which they’re investigating a protest and a few unarmed break-ins is 10000000000000000-TIMES more so… The death count is contained of natural misfortunes. DOJ, FBI, etc,etc,etc… WHERE was all this manpower to authenticate a questionable election? 90% favor in all ‘swing states’ isn’t of any concern? Ballots turning up uncounted on recount isn’t a concern. Many ‘whoopsie daisys’ reported on live TV over and over and over again isn’t of any concern?

                  Oh; but 10 people who tried to break a door is a national emergency???? It’s so stupid!

              4. The virus was the excuse. Now that the Ds have the power structure they wanted they can’t even wait to get President Elect HarrisBiden onto the throne before dialing back the crisis to the level that Sleepy can solve from the safety of his bunker.

              5. You shouldn’t have supported the democrats. Don’t blame Trump for your horrific mistake.

            2. The funny thing is that Jeff Jr was told all last year that this is what him siding with Biden would lead to. Post after post he raged against only the gop and trump. Now what was said would happen is happening and he still can only blame the side not pushing authoritarian policies.

              He is broken.

              1. One of these days you’ll screw up and say something truthful about me.

                1. We all saw you.

                2. Lol.

                  You blaming trump for the lefts actions on this very thread you dishonest lefty shit.

                3. Here’s your truth; and it’s the truth of every lefty we argue with. PROJECTION is your only asset.

          2. “AOC and Biden and company would have one less excuse to tighten the ratchet”

            AHAHAHAH OMFG SARC IS SO DUMB AND NAIVE AHAHAHAHHAHA

            1. lol

          3. If she hadn’t of worn that dress eh sqrsly?

          4. “Had your Dear Leader accepted defeat like a man, and had people like you not eaten up his steaming piles of lies, AOC and Biden and company would have one less excuse to tighten the ratchet.”

            Yep, the debble made ’em do it!
            Fuck off, you pathetic piece of lefty shit.

            1. Fuck off, crybaby.

              You, the people you follow, and your fellow followers, share responsibility for creating this opportunity for the left to enact what was likely written decades ago, but just waiting for an excuse.

              You gave them the excuse.

              This is on you and the rest of you Trumpistas for believing his bullshit.

              1. Crybaby? Dude, you are the WORST crybaby. Constantly blaming them for anything and everything. Then bitching when it’s going to come back you that you made a terrible mistake (backing the democrats against Trump).

                You’re just a whiny bitch. Case closed.

          5. Had your Dear Leader accepted defeat like a man an establishment Republican…

            1. That era is over. It isn’t a debate anymore, it’s a street fight. The democrats are to be destroyed, and any battle lost should be done in a way that their victory costs them dearly.

              If a democrat feels comfortable spouting their treasonous bullshit, we’re doing it wrong.

          6. Kinda victim-blaming there, buddy.
            But I guess that fits right in with the “rules for thee but not for me”.

            Considering BLM and Antifa gave Trump plenty of chances to “tighten the ratchet”. All he had to do was show the “tyrannical side” you dumbasses kept imputing to him despite him actually not showing any such tendencies at all.

            But he didn’t. He exercised ACTUAL restraint while you pussies were REEEEE!ing about his Tweets. Any other fucking year in my long life, that would have been lauded as being “Presidential”.

            Make not mistake, the wonderfully enlightened policies that will be shoved up your ass these next 4 years (or 50, since it will be a crime to suggest anything “untoward” about election results), it is entirely on YOU.

            Hopefully the mental gymnastics involved in making it all Trump’s fault will improve your mental fitness.

            1. Note to self: Proof read dude. Just takes a minute.

              1. That’s tough sometimes. Like if I’ve been drinking.

        2. Ha ha ha! Had Donald Trump conceded the 2020 POTUS Election, like most presidents have done, this insurrection at the Capitol would not have happened.

          1. The real insurrection happened on Nov 3.

            Had the Democrats not so blatantly cheated — had they just cut their losses, and accepted that President Trump’s GOTV efforts exceeded their margin of fraud, like they normally do — they wouldn’t have had to incite a riot at a peaceful protest via Antifa to cut debate about fraud at the knees, and then use this as an excuse to violate our Constitution even more.

      2. sarcasmic this was going to happen at some point no matter what the excuse was. The purge was going to happen no matter what this clampdown was coming. Millions and millions of people are pissed off and were ruined financially psychologically forever and they know exactly who to blame. Trump was going to get banned no matter what the first time a conservative held a rally against the Biden presidency they were going to be labeled seditious and there was going to be violence at said rally.

        1. A rally that only happened because the crybaby in chief and his followers couldn’t accept defeat.

          This was completely avoidable.

          1. This is such an embarrassing blue pilled take. You really think they weren’t going to do this bullshit if January 6th didn’t happen? It might have been the week or month after but this was always going to happen the response and language was coordinated they had been prepping to run with this messaging for a while they were waiting for an excuse even if they had to manufacture one.

            1. Well Trump and his crybaby brigade handed them an excuse on a silver platter.

              Thanks guys.

              1. you sound suspiciously like someone arguing the chick at the party deserved it based on how she was dressed and looked like she was asking for it. Whether or not they gave them an excuse it doesn’t make their behavior less reprehensible or fucking nightmarish than it is because some fucking retarded maga chugs and blm instigators desecrated the sacred temple.

                1. Even the things leftists do aren’t their fault because sarc hates the GOP

                2. Your “it was going to happen anyway” routine doesn’t diminish the fact that this particular excuse was entirely avoidable.

                  1. and completely irrelevant

                    notice how he shifts those goalposts because he knows how stupid “leftists were going to show restraint when in power” is lololol

                  2. sure I guess. That doesn’t make me feel any better about the future of this country and the terrifying power these totalitarians are starting to nakedly wield.

                    1. You’re probably right that it was inevitable, but that doesn’t mean I can’t be a little pissed at Trump and his sycophants for hastening it.

                    2. As libertarians, we have no problem if you do stupid shit like that sarc.

                      Try to keep up.

                    3. Lol. God damn is he broken. You were told all last year this would fucking happen you retarded shit. They play tested this with lockdowns. This was always going to happen. But you let your irrational hatred of a man’s behavior overcome any rational analysis of policy.

                      Fucking own your morals letting you down.

                  3. “Your “it was going to happen anyway” routine doesn’t diminish the fact that this particular excuse was entirely avoidable.”

                    Your continued bullshitting is certainly avoidable, but you keep right at it.

                  4. Yep. Entirely avoidable. Just like France avoided being conquered by Germany in WWII because the fighting to defend their country was “entirely avoidable”.

                    Just like rape victims deserve it because they didn’t live in a walled convent.

                    The triggering here came from trying to declare any questioning of the election results as “sedition”, which is complete and utter bullshit on the face of it.

                    You want people to take the lefties position at face value:
                    “The Democrats have never done anything like that BEFORE, why would they do it now, after they’ve coincidentally made the system easier to abuse? And that whole “making laws specifically stating that “ballot harvesting” is just A-OK and can in no way be gamed” thing? That’s just enhancing voter’s rights you Nazis!! Only a conspiracy theorist* would find that in any way suspicious!”

                    1. And we know conspiracy theorists are automatically dismissed. Those people are crazy!
                      ~Jeffery Epstein

              2. Well Trump and his crybaby brigade handed them an excuse on a silver platter.

                Obfuscation. Social media giants conspired along with most of the major news groups to gaslight the public and silence opposition to the consolidation of power we have witnessed since the country refused to accept the media’s coronation of Her Majesty 4 years ago. Resistance was inevitable.

                1. You lost me at “conspired.”

                  1. Would you prefer “all managed to commit to exactly the same actions at exactly the same time to have the same effect on the same parties, which coincidentally align perfectly with the rhetoric of members of the DNC after it has been revealed that there is a pipeline between jobs at these companies and positions within the DNC”? That is the only way to otherwise express what we have seen happen recently.

                    1. Yeah…but is it a *conspiracy* though?

          2. Everyone should just shut up and listen to their betters.

            -Sarcasmic

              1. So don’t listen to you, got it.

              2. Yup!

                Which is precisely what happened, thanks to all of the people who supported Donald Trump and voted that son of a bitch into office in the first place.

          3. You being angry that everything you denied last year is happening is going to be glorious.

            Maybe you shouldn’t have become a biden cultist. You will never live this down.

            Your bull shit values led to this. Own it.

      3. So…. blaming the right for any over reach your side may cause. Got it.

        1. Oh, the demonization of whatever passes for “The Right” in the perfervid imaginations of the tools of the DNC was entirely predictable.

          As is the upcoming abuse; social, financial and legal, of anyone they want to deem a “Trumpist” or “right wing terrorist” or whatever. Still not sure what the labels will be but I’m sure they’ve got their best propagandists (political marketing specialists) working on it right now, getting ready to release the labels to CNN, MSNBC, ABC, PBS, CBS, etc., etc. I just wonder if the SPLC and ADL will have the reality-ignoring balls to list “Trumpist” as a hate group. After 2020, I’m guessing “yeah”. I mean, it’s cost-free. (It’s not like the noble defenders of freedom at Reason are going to put out a tepid, “to-be-sure-filled” article in protest.)

          And if “those people” don’t realize the abuse is “entirely avoidable” (per sarcasmic) by the simple measure of accepting defeat, they deserve what they get. Any attempts at self-defense will just provide more scaremongering and demonization.

          Of course having some NooJoos to blame for the upcoming social and economic disasters won’t make anyone’s lives better, but that didn’t concern Hitler either.

      4. Like they needed an opportunity in the past to legislate Obamacare.

      5. I don’t think that what happened at the capital is just icing on the cake. They were already focusing on how they could reduce freedom and allow anti-fa carte blanche to do what they wanted. Remember Biden is going to take away your 100 clip magazines. He can have all of mine which is zero.
        That is the problem, they don’t even know what they are talking about but they are the experts.

      6. I mean, is it too much to ask that the people that actually do the crime or take the action be punished and everyone else that didn’t gets left the fuck alone?

        That seemed to be the standard (and rightly so) all fucking summer long.

  7. This will be Trump’s legacy.

    1. yeah, he spent 4 years getting you progs to hyperbolically overreact and show your asses, and it’s how history will remember him

      1. History will remember him as a crybaby sore-loser whose crybaby sore-loser followers attempted to forcefully overthrow the federal government.

        Calling a bunch of internet tough guys who literally smeared shit around the halls of the Capital revolutionaries is dishonest and stupid, but like the shit they smeared all over the place it’s gonna stick.

        1. “History will remember him as a crybaby sore-loser whose crybaby sore-loser followers attempted to forcefully overthrow the federal government.”

          History won’t remember you, but it will remember lefty shits like you lying like this.

          1. Did you bother to read the second sentence before having your temper tantrum?

            1. Of course we read it that’s why we’re laughing at you

              1. He thinks we are angry when all we are is laughing. It makes it funnier.

                He doesn’t realize that everything we told him last year is happening and now he is rage blaming Trump. Fucking hilarious. Sucks for us, but funny to witness.

            2. “…having your temper tantrum?”

              Lefty shits tend to accuse others of all sorts of things when those others call lefty shits on their bullshit.

              1. I’ll take that as a no.

              2. It’s the amazing combination they exhibit of projection and lacking all self-awareness.

                I used to think such dumbassery was trolling, and pretty imaginative trolling at that…but no, they believe that illogical shit.

          2. “History won’t remember you, but it will remember lefty shits like you lying like this.”

            History will remember Donald Trump as a total sore-sport and sore loser, and as somebody who, with his actions, words, and overall behaviors, incited the Insurrection that happened at the Capitol almost two weeks ago. You think people are going to forget it that quickly ? You’re dead wrong here, Sevo!

            1. “Incited”. You keep using that word.

              I would like to see direct quotes, and the timestamp from President Trump’s speech, of what he said to incite the riots.

              And I would like that reconciled with the video that’s out there showing that attempts to storm the Capitol were planned well in advance, and that Antifa/BLM were involved.

        2. We already remember you as being that and calling you out for it for 3 years now.

        3. “attempted to forcefully overthrow the federal government”

          There was a time I would’ve thought this too stupid for even your pussy ass, but here we are.

          1. Did you read the next sentence, dumbass?

          2. He has to justify how wrong he is and blame trump for it.

        4. Well, that’s the thing, dumbass: no one is calling them “revolutionaries” cuz……

          They weren’t “trying to overthrow the federal government”.

          Haha. What a drama queen.

      2. Sarc isn’t a prog.

        He’s just wrong.

    2. Lol. Everything the democrats do is trumps fault! God damn man.

  8. But I HATE letting a crisis go to waste.

  9. Then what have the reason writers been doing for the past week or so?

    1. Praying to Chairman Zhou Biden.

    2. Trying to support an impeachment of someone they hate more than a conviction they pretend to hold.

      1. ^^This^^
        They’ve chosen bad substance over bad style. Sure, Trump’s a loose cannon and often an embarrassment. But most of his actions, especially judicial appointment, were either OK or not too bad. He had more style problems than substance problems.

        But impeaching him on inciting a riot? This is a substance problem. Inflammatory rhetoric is a campaign standard these days and, increasingly, a post-election standard. It’s a dangerous precedent to charge people for this. If it succeeds, it will be used by whoever is in power against everyone and anyone who isn’t in power. Libertarians should be very concerned about it.

        1. On the plus side, Maxine Waters should be brought up on charges any d…what’s that you say?

          Oooooh…

        2. Hey, come on how, BikeRider! What happened at the Capitol on January 6th was way more than just a riot! The fact is that Donald Trump’s actions and behaviors, as well as his rhetoric were to the nth degree (inotherwords, extreme enough), so that this Insurrection that was a horrific attempt to overturn Biden’s fairly, squarely and legally won POTUS while lawmakers in the White House were in the process of certifying Biden’s Election, and causing them to flee in terror and fear of their lives, was a long time coming–and it came. The fact that a police officer was killed due to getting hit over the head with a fire extinguisher by one of those Insurrection participants, and a woman was shot and killed by another one of those Insurrection participants also indicates how horrific this Insurrection was.

          The people who claim that Antifa had anything to do with it are full of bullshit, as well. The Antifa people are no saints, but they had nothing to do with this Insurrection at the Capitol almost 2 weeks ago. This was Donald Trump’s creation.

          1. I have yet to see someone convinced that President Trump incited a riot to actually provide quotes from President Trump that would actually incite a riot. Ann Althouse tried, but the most “inflammatory” quotes she found were very weak.

            I have yet to see someone give a convincing explanation as to why we should ignore the red flags of this election — enough red flags that fraud investigators would be expecting prison terms for the CEOs of companies where a tenth of them are occurring — and thus, I have yet to see a convincing explanation that Pretendan-Elect Biden did, indeed, win “fair and square”.

            And I have yet to see a convincing explanation of why a BLM protestor, who was witness to the one shooting of a civilian, and was going around trying to inflame tensions between protestors, rioters, and police, would fail to be a counter-example to “Antifa had nothing to do with it”.

  10. Too late.

    Defiant NJ Gym Has Bank Account Wiped by Democratic Governor
    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2021/01/15/defiant-nj-gym-has-bank-account-wiped-by-democratic-governor-n2583197

    “As of this morning, without warning, and without permission, and in the middle of litigation, Governor Murphy took it upon himself to empty our bank account entirely, to the tune of $165,000,” explained Smith on a video posted to social media.

    1. >living in NJ
      He knew what he was getting himself into. No sympathy!

    2. That was money from the LLC the gym is structured under. He also attempted to go after their personal accounts.

      Fuck Phil Murphy.

    3. Wow. Where’s the federal prosecution for denial of civil rights under color of law? Where’s the grand theft charges?

      1. It’s OK when your “betters” do it.

      2. Civil asset forfeiture. This gym owner had the temerity to try to be productive against the Emperor’s orders. This makes him a criminal, and thus all his money are proceeds from an ongoing criminal enterprise. They don’t even need to charge him with anything to steal all his money.

        I wonder if he owns a woodchipper or if that was also seized.

        1. “Well, as long as he only does it to other people, I guess it’s okay.”
          ~voters of New Jersey

      3. Let’s be honest, NJ is more likely to bring back the death penalty to deal with this guy than for him to win in court.

  11. ‘”We’re going to have to figure out how we rein in our media environment so that you can’t just spew disinformation and misinformation,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told her Instagram followers this week.”‘

    Just substitute “government” for “media” and she is spot on.

  12. “Don’t Let the Capitol Riot Become a 9/11-Style Excuse for Authoritarianism”

    Uh, that ship has sailed, JD. This is supposed to be news and current event editorializing; please try to keep up.

  13. Curious title “don’t let” as if we have any power to stop it.

    I mean we told you what would happen when Biteme took power and now he’s gonna have a majority leader in the senate on his side as well.

    So, what exactly then should we do except wait 2 years and hope republicans get the house back. Because no libertarian is getting elected, ever.

    1. It was “entirely avoidable”, man! Haven’t you been following sarc’s posts??

    2. The problem is that McConnel and the other never Trumpers want to get rid of 75 million voters because they voted for Trump. Sure, all of those voters won’t defect from the Republicans but enough will to just make the republicans a true minority party.

  14. Too late.

  15. Truly amazing and scary is the sheer hypocrisy by left wing Democrats, media propagandists, Big Tech and Big Business to invite, march with and defend BLM and Antifa “Defund Racist Police” riots and looting in dozens of US cities ALL summer long, and then suddenly to a 180 degree shift by denouncing and demonize the mostly peaceful protesters at the Capitol last week, impeaching Trump and demanding an immediate 100 fold increase in police protection (for themselves).

    1. My prediction is that NO violence will occur next week in DC (or at state capitols).

      Biden, Pelosi, Schumer and their left wing propagandists in the media are terrifying Americans (especially Republicans, as Dems already hate Trump) into falsely believing that Trump supporters are planning lots of violence next week in DC and state capitols just so they can create a massive police state in DC (which they’ve done), and at state capitols controlled by Democrats.

      1. there wasn’t going to be violence even without the troops there because the peace full republicans realized they were used by instigators as cover. Republicans won’t repeat that. its unfortunate that many did not stop the violence while it happened but then there is chaos so it probably wouldn’t have been easy even if they saw it happening

      2. They need the continued illusion to make the Reichstag fire to be more than it was.

  16. “Don’t Let the Capitol Riot Become a 9/11-Style Excuse for Authoritarianism”

    We keep talking about things that are already happening–as if they were future events. When we elected Trump and gave the Democrats control of the senate, the rest of it was a foregone conclusion. If you didn’t realize this is what you were asking for when you encouraged people to vote against Trump, that’s on you. This world was always the foreseeable consequences of that.

    For the next two years, the only effective means we have left to oppose policies like the Green New Deal, packing the Supreme Court, or adding states is massive peaceful protest in Washington DC. However, the Democrats, the government, most of the media, and big tech are more or less the same thing now–since the last election. Is it any surprise to see them destroy the means to organize by pulling the plug on Parler, purging social media of conservatives, filling DC with the military, and generally making a big, peaceful protest like that practically impossible?

    The riots at the Capitol probably wouldn’t have happened had the Republicans kept control of the Senate. It certainly wasn’t about Donald Trump or his speech. It was about the fear that the Democrats would do radical things like add new states, pass the Green New Deal, or pack the Supreme Court. Opposition to those policies was never about President Trump and won’t go away when he leaves office. That’s why people are so upset!

    The Democrats know that and appear to have prepared for it by making massive peaceful protests in Washington DC practically impossible. And now that they’ve pretty much accomplished that, they’re tearing the country apart on purpose with their policies. All of this has already been decided. That’s why they prepared!

    Plenty of us in comments saw this coming from a long way off before the election, which is why we voted for Trump. If you’re just waking up to the realization of the consequences of Trump losing, welcome to the party. Unfortunately, one of the worst consequences is that our opinions have no salience anymore–not for the next two years. And those consequences became the new reality the moment Biden won office and the moment the Democrats took the senate.

    The Democrats have already introduced a bill to pack the senate and the electoral college by adding a new state. They’ve already filled the National Mall with the national guard. They’ve already deplatformed Parler, the means by which the opposition was most likely to organize a massive peaceful protest. They’ve already demonized average people for attending a protest–regardless of whether they rioted. And the media is filled with a never ending series of two minute hates towards any conservative that might want to go to DC to protest.

    What part of that makes you think that the people making policy for the next two years care about what J.D. Tuccile, Ken Shultz, or anyone else thinks about their policies? Trump lost. The staff at Reason got what they wanted. Congratulations! Now your opinions have no value for the next two years. There is no one left in a position of power who might care about libertarian ideas or capitalism.

    An excuse for authoritarianism?! I suppose it’s better to have one than not have one, for propaganda purposes, but the Democrats have no scruples, control both chambers in congress, and they have the White House. What makes you think they need an excuse for authoritarianism–in addition to that? The purpose of progressivism is to use the coercive power of government to force people to make sacrifices for the common good. They don’t need an excuse. They won the election–to some extent because of journalists like you.

    1. “For the next two years, the only effective means we have left to oppose policies like the Green New Deal, packing the Supreme Court, or adding states is massive peaceful protest in Washington DC.”

      While sharing Ken’s eloquently stated concerns, I think the key to prevent packing the SCOTUS, adding new states, enacting AOC’s green deal, etc. is to preserve the Senate filibuster (as all of those Democrat power grabs rely upon eliminating the filibuster).

      As long as West Virginia’s Joe Manchin keeps his word, the filibuster will remain. So they key to preserving the filibuster is for concerned West Virginians (who voted heavily for Trump) to keep pressuring Manchin.

      Jon Tester of Montana also may not support eliminating the filibuster.

      I’d be shocked if any Republican Senator (e.g. Romney, Collins or Murkowski) would support eliminating the filibuster.

      1. Manchin knows that ending the Senate filibuster would:
        – destroy WV’s current/future economy (coal & natural gas),
        – jeopardize 2nd Amendment rights of WV gun owners, and
        – reduce the influence in DC by WV and other small rural states.

        Am hoping AOC and environmental extremists start publicly attacking Manchin, and he responds by switching parties to the GOP (which would make him the King of West Virginia, GOP Senate Savior, and Schumer’s arch enemy).

        I suspect Mitch McConnell has already offered Manchin the chairmanship of any committee if he votes for Mitch for Majority Leader and begins to caucus with the GOP.

      2. Again, Bill, I hope you’re right.

        We have needlessly put ourselves in a precarious position if the only thing standing in the way of these authoritarian and socialist policies is the hope that a politician will keep his word.

        1. The only thing standing in the way of authoritarianism a hero cop who led the authoritarians away from the Senate chambers during that time they broke in to execute Mike Pence and as many members of Congress as they could get their hands on.

          Why do you share political values with neo-Nazis and seditionists, Ken?

          1. Some or all of the comment shared is disputed and may be misleading about the political leanings and motivations of large numbers of complete strangers you share a country with.

          2. Soon to be a major motion picture?

            Let’s see…

            Step 1: “Execute Mike Pence and some members of Congress”
            Step 2:
            Step3: “In control of the United States”

            Not only do I doubt your insider knowledge of this “plot”, which I’m guessing came from Media Matters or Vox, but I think you’re missing a step here. Like…do they make their way to the Government Control Room, in which are kept the fabled “Lever of Power”?? Or do you have something more Wizard of Oz-ish in mind?

            Also, fuck you.

            1. You can defend their actions if you like. There’s simply nothing to talk about. No principles are involved except the one that people who attack the rule of law get thrown in cages so that they can’t hurt us again. These things used to be so clear to libertarians. Someone should have been here the whole time pointing out that they were budding totalitarians, what with their marked dissatisfaction that democracy doesn’t give them everything they want.

              It’s quite clear that the insurrectionists currently being rounded up by the dozens were not among the more intelligent ones from history. They are in a farcical cult created by an internet troll, after all. Those who aren’t neo-Nazis.

              Do you think it’s edgy to cozy up to the people whose worldview is essentially to kill everyone who’s not a Republican? Think there’s a mote of logic in that kind of thinking? Is democracy not doing it for you?

              1. “…..whose worldview is essentially to kill everyone who’s not a republican?”

                Jesus fucking Christ dude, you’re really taking liberties with the meaning of the word “essentially”. And “kill”.

                What the fuck is wrong with you? Victim mentality on steroids? What a miserable way to live.

                1. It’s called “projection”. This is what Democrats want to do — heck, it’s what they’ve announced they’ll do, multiple times — so they assume Republicans want to do it too.

                  Indeed, his sudden concern about riots after all the examples we’ve endured from them is particularly funny!

      3. Manchin voted against ACB despite saying she was qualified. He is a barking but loyal dog.

      4. Never assume any principled action from a guy who’s gotten elected solely on his hair. Or who is named Mitt. Or Gavin.

    2. “making massive peaceful protests in Washington DC practically impossible. ”
      Which policy will end the first time the Supreme Court rules in some fashion that the Progressives hate.

    3. “The staff at Reason got what they wanted. Congratulations! Now your opinions have no value for the next two years”

      First of all, I don’t believe the staff poll at Reason showed any lopsided support for Biden. Secondly, does anyone think that Reason’s positions ever sway more than about 10,000 votes?
      Certainly, they didn’t sway the election to Biden and, even if they go on a anti-Biden crusade, it won’t sway enough votes to elect a Republican in 2024. Until one or more major “mainstream media” outlet, with tens of millions of followers, decides to oppose fascism, socialism, or whatever other authoritarian nonsense will come out of the BidenhertimeHarris administration, the American people who support individual liberty are royally screwed.

      1. A bit of revisionist history. Only one said they would vote for trump. Most said they would vote for Jo because their vote didn’t matter (being in lefty shit regions of the country) but 4 still said they would vote Biden. Most said they voted democrat before becoming libertarian.

        But they all trashed trump and ignored Bidens faults and policies in the run up to the election. They don’t get to trash what they knowingly ignored after the fact. This shit being pushed now was all discussed on the comments. The desire of the left isnt hidden. They are up front about it.

        In other words. Own your actions.

        1. They pushed the Russia hoax and didn’t cover its revelation as complete fiction, they pushed the narrative condemning Trump and excusing Biden for the Ukraine quid pro quo, they pushed systemic racism,, they pushed the covid hysteria, and they refused to cover Hunter Biden’s laptop.
          Just a couple examples.

      2. “I don’t believe the staff poll at Reason showed any lopsided support for Biden.

        These are the consequences of Trump losing.

        They wanted Trump to lose.

    4. The riots at the Capitol probably wouldn’t have happened had the Republicans kept control of the Senate.

      And who is at fault for this outcome? Oh no, certainly not Donald Trump!

      Dude made it a point to throw a hissy fit which serves to eviscerate his own legacy on his way out the door and his supporters are upset that people have the temerity to notice and blame him.

      1. The reason the Republicans lost control of the senate was because not enough voters voted for the Republicans.

        Imagining that is somehow someone else’s fault is ridiculous. Are you or are you not in control of your own actions?

        1. It all your fail Ken.

          You are a traitor failure to the USA.

          Perhaps the people who live, work, and pay taxes here can fix your errors.

    5. But they said with their own mouths it was about Trump. All you have to do is read their interviews or watch them on YouTube.

      You’ve lived in this fantasy world for too long where you get to make up bedtime stories about yourself that make you feel good.

      You supported Trump and so did the neo-Nazis. Figure out why THAT is.

      I’m sure you never whined for years on end about Hillary calling you deplorable.

      I’m sure you never complained about leftist notions of moral relativism either, as you downplay Naziism with your every breath.

      1. Some or all of the comment shared is disputed and may be misleading about the political leanings and motivations of large numbers of complete strangers you share a country with.

      2. What neo nazis, tony? Who the fuck you talking about?

        Everyone who disagrees with you?

  17. The only thing these Trumptards did last week “was weakened a country son”!

  18. From CNN:

    “‘US says Capitol rioters intended to ‘capture and assassinate’ elected officials…Federal prosecutors offered the most chilling description yet of rioters who seized the Capitol last week, writing in a new court filing that the intention was “to capture and assassinate elected officials.”‘

    I can smell the BS from Oregon.

    1. US says Capitol rioters intended to ‘capture and assassinate’ elected officials

      Translation: “Some of the people who made it inside the Capitol Holy Cathedral might have popped off on social media in the weeks/ months/ years beforehand, but any reasonable person would know that it was faux internet “tuff gai” posturing not to be taken seriously, but that’s not gonna stop us from pretending otherwise.”

      1. +

      2. Stupidity is no defense, even for white boys.

        It was faux bullshit probably for most of them. But they all thought Trump wanted them to storm the capitol, and that it would result in his being installed as president.

        Prison has plenty of room for more Nazis.

        1. Some or all of the comment shared is disputed and may be misleading about elections, politics, human nature, and/or reality in general.

          1. Thank you for your tireless work.

            1. I miss the official judge of performative outrage. Xe was tough, but fair.

    2. Bullshit yes, but thanks to Trump and his crybaby brigade that’s what will be in the history books.

      That is how his presidency will be remembered.

      1. +

      2. Yes sarcasmic you already admitted that you know his presidency will be remembered for allowing you space you lose your shit and go full commie.

        Repeating yourself just demeans your intellect.

        1. Please enlighten me as to how I went “full commie?’

          And try to do it with, you know, things I actually said, instead of the bs narrative that the Trumptards concocted while emulating the leftist cancel culture.

          1. Lol. We have sweetie. Your convictions aligned you with Biden. You never spoke out. You were told what his policies were. You applauded him winning despite this.

            Own it.

          2. “Demeans” is a bad thing and means you should stop, not double-down.

            1. So you’ve got nuthin. Gotcha.

          3. Your ex left you because you blamed her for everything didn’t she?

          4. “…Trumptards…”

            TDS-addled lefty shits tend to spend hours making up nick-names which embarrass 1st-grade kids.
            But not them

      3. LOLOLL his supporters have been “worse than Nazis” for 4 years but THIS is the straw Lololo

        I don’t even have to try anymore sarc, you clown yourself lolol

      4. Man the biden cultists are already pretending they didn’t know this would happen.

    3. Well, the one left wing guy documented so far did have a knife.

    4. Average Americans are the new Al Qaeda.

      1. Or, not to belabor the 30s Germany congruence:
        NooJoos.

        When people become unhappy with the ongoing economic and social disasters we can expect, they’ll have a ready-made boogeyman and a compliant media to promote it.

        Sadly, I suspect they’ll come up with something catchier than “NooJoos”, but I’ll always know what they mean.

  19. Frightening events create openings for attacks on civil liberties.

    If getting some ropes knocked over and some windows broken where the only death was the protesters is the most “frightening event” of the year, then what do we call the previous nine months?

    1. Members of Congress assumed they would be safe. The riots, they believed, were things happening to other people. So they could bloviate about riots being the voice of the unheard, how we need more disruption, how Trump’s (limited and inadequate) response to the riots was fascistic, etc.

      Now they’ve experienced a small portion of the fear and disruption that the normies had to endure in their businesses, in the streets, even in their homes.

      It’s OK to do that sort of thing to normies, but members of Congress are special.

      1. I think that’s it. I think it comes down to expectations. The results of permissive riots are for the little peopoe

        1. And observe the speed of the law-enforcement response – why couldn’t they do that with the earlier riots? I don’t know why President Trump, for example, seemed so timid – it wasn’t just his duty to hunt down the antifa/BLM rioters, it was in his political interest.

          1. Because the FBI literally wouldn’t do it?

      2. And the sad part is, they DIDN’T EVEN BLOVIATE ABOUT THE RIOTING FOR NINE FUCKING MONTHS. They kneeled, they raised fists, they warned against “tyrannical overreaction on the part of the Federal Government (orangemanbad.exe)”. Which never happened but they carried on as if it had. Trump’s restraint (doing what they advised) became “a sign of weakness”.

        It was all okay, as long as the cops didn’t shoot any black criminals. But now, *this* is some kind of “crisis”??

    2. god get’s angry when you desecrate his temple.

    3. “mostly peaceful”

  20. FBI intelligence analysts gathered information about possible violence involving the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6.”
    Just like they had intelligence of using airplanes to target buildings and failed to act then. is it a pattern of ineptitude or are these actions allowed to take place for their own goals of repression and war boners.

    1. We’d have to know how many warnings they were getting and how many of them were actually real. It could be they were inundated in warnings, with the correct ones hard to tell from the BS ones.

      1. Yes but in this case they could have increased security which apparently they requested and Pelosi denied, why would she do that? not for the reason they stated but because they wanted violence

  21. I’ve never committed a crime, beyond a few minor traffic offenses and some pre-legal reefer over the course of my lifetime; but I look at my future and see that this could change; not for anything I have done, but for what I will not do going forward. I will think and say things that may become illegal, own guns that will surely be banned, and read books that fail government imprimatur. I’ve grown up believing such things to be inalienable, and I do not plan to change. Lest you think this is hyperbolic, just imagine a country in which the likes of the “squad” are in charge.

    1. At least we still have that pesky document that’s intended to limit what politicians can do.

      1. Resting peacefully under glass. RIP.

      2. And a fine work of calligraphy it is.
        And not much else, now.

        Vote for fascists, get fascism.

    2. Is it better or worse than when a incompetent orange clown whose base of support is the neo-Nazis was in charge?

      Is AOC worse than a Nazi? Does she want to murder Congress and untold numbers of undesirables? No, she doesn’t? Oh then she’s better, no matter how much tax she wants to raise from people richer than you.

      1. Some or all of the comment shared is disputed and may be misleading about elections, politics, human nature, and/or reality in general.

        1. Thank you.

          I don’t need to read any more fantasies reverse-engineered to make the poster not look like an idiot.

      2. Oh come on. This was Nardz and Sevo and his buddies. A bunch of internet tough guys. That’s it. They weren’t going to murder anyone. They probably didn’t know they were going to storm the building until after they did it. Just a bunch of crybabies who listen to too much talk radio.

        1. Roll my fucking eyes.

          Stupidity is no excuse. And this wasn’t that anyway. It was organized neo-Nazis.

          Keep defending them. Don’t let me stop you.

          1. Some or all of the comment shared is disputed and may be misleading about elections, politics, human nature, and/or reality in general.

        2. Yeah, but what’s the media gonna roll with? You know damn well it’s gonna be hysterical “white supremacist insurrectionists around every corner”, with the full cooperation of the Intelligence community and the media.

          That makes you feel…”better”???

          1. The white supremacists are welcome not to boogaloo the inauguration.

            1. Yes, we’d like it if the white supremacists wouldn’t do that, but when one of their own is being sworn in as President, there’s not much we can do to prevent them from boogaloo’ing the inauguration.

      3. AOC wields actual power. She tells the men with guns and badges what to do. So she is infinitely more dangerous than that moron with horns on his head.

        1. But did she try to overthrow the US government?

          1. No. And neither did the overgrown frat boys.

            1. They said that’s exactly what they were there to do, on Trump’s orders. Have you read a single real news report about this or are you just assuming the best about the organized neo-Nazis and their leader?

              1. Some or all of the comment shared is disputed and may be misleading about the political leanings and motivations of large numbers of complete strangers you share a country with.

              2. You’ve used the word nazi like 50 times in this thread. You’re delusional and obsessed. Get help.

          2. Didn’t have to, with enough idiots like you in the electorate.

      4. AOC once said:

        “The only way our country is going to heal is through the actual liberation of southern states … liberation of working people from an economic, social, and racial oppression”

        Historically, this use of “liberation” is left speak for “prison camps.” Based in the new standards of interpreting political speech and assigning guilt, we can move forward with charging her with incitement for crimes against humanity.

        1. Nobody’s in jail for speaking, Brian. Just storming the US capitol to attempt to seize control of the United States. What would you advocate if it were BLM?

          1. That’s not because no one’s trying to jail people for speaking, Tony.

          2. We would be a lot safer if we cancelled her Twitter account, though. Misinformation and disinformation is bad.

            1. They are bad, aren’t they?

              The idea that we can’t regulate lies is absurd, but not as absurd as a libertarian whining about private corporations doing what’s in their own interest.

              1. If you want to regulate lies so badly, you could start with your own.

  22. Is it “optional-when-convenient” for a doctor to violate their Hippocratic oath (to do no harm) or a marriage oath or a religious oath? Why is the constitutional “oath of office” optional-when-convenient to for government-authority in their job duties?

    The U.S. Constitution is a wartime governing charter with emergency wartime and insurrection clauses already built in.

    The actual persons that committed the physical violence and trespassing can be held accountable but “guilt-by-association” betrays the American Oath of Office. The U.S. Supreme Court has already defined “incitement to violence” that violates the First Amendment. The FBI and federal agencies are bound by Supreme Court rulings on First Amendment activity.

    The real danger is if Americans are punished covertly (Cointelpro) for “liking” a Facebook post that may be offensive but not actually incitement. Covert punishments bypass the Judicial Branch courts to provide judicial review. Congress outlawed covert punishments in the 1970’s with Senator Frank Church’s Committee hearings. Congress could create “overt” punishments that follow U.S. Supreme Court rulings.

    1. It doesn’t have to stand up in court. The process is the punishment. Arrest, interrogation, potential years of proceedings. Extra-legal measures like asset forfeiture and the no-fly list will be brought to bear. Even if they can afford all that, these people are doxxed and will be deemed unemployable or have their businesses boycotted. Anyone sympathetic enough to employ them will also be boycotted.
      Politicians present at the rally have already been forced to resign.

  23. If people didn’t want Democrats to overstep, they shouldn’t have tried to assassinate Democrats in Congress.

    I bet we won’t have to remove a single shoe in response to this violence. Drowning the cancer that is right-wing media in a river of Trumper tears sounds pretty good though.

    How about a compromise. We drown the right-wing media in its own tears for long enough to deprogram the soccer moms who got sucked into the Q insanity, and you can have it back when we’re sure it’s only the neo-Naziest of the neo-Nazis left.

    Anything that keeps Nazis from the levers of power is good. We don’t need to relearn that lesson. Sometimes a lesson is just learned.

    1. What if you didn’t want Democrats to overstep but also didn’t try to assassinate anyone? What are those of us who want a peaceful, orderly government to leave us alone to do? I know plenty of people who are appalled at what Trumpistas have done to this country, but also who don’t want to be crushed by the reaction to that. It’s not one side or the other.

      1. Well, I didn’t want an insane freak letting 400,000 Americans die while he worried about his ratings, but we don’t always get what we want.

        1. Some or all of the comment shared is disputed and may be misleading about elections, politics, human nature, and/or reality in general.

          1. You’re broken, fascist.

            You people have been coming after truth forever. The problem with that is sometimes you find yourself in the middle of the capitol with a noose for the vice president, and you realize you’re going to prison forever because you believed shit you read on the internet.

            1. “…You people have been coming after truth forever…”

              Ken S. posited earlier in one of the other “orange man bad” threads that certain commenters are assumed to be dishonest, but that grants them far too much credit: Dishonesty requires a mind acute enough to recognize and reject fact.
              There are Tony, turd, M4e, jackass and others here who qualify as incapable of that. They might be due some sympathy for their condition; it’s not easy getting along in a world full of information and data with a brain simply not equipped to really “think”.
              Regardless, they still need to be called on their idiocy; perhaps one or more might even become capable of critical thought, doubtful though that seems.

        2. “You can’t make an omelette without cracking a few eggs”
          And people wonder why libertarians don’t just get in line and cooperate when it is always they who must be the eggs.

    2. We will take no pleasure when you are labeled a deviant and forced into the boxcar. Hell, I will even save you a seat if I get there first.

      1. They’d have to find me first. I have a little place I call my Anne Frank hideaway. It was a joke when I moved in. Hope nobody remembers I had a Biden sign out front.

        Because that’s something I should have to worry about in the United States.

        1. Don’t forget to put food and water in there.

    3. Some or all of the comment shared is disputed and may be misleading about elections, politics, human nature, and/or reality in general.

    4. Leftist rants always seem to be complaining about themselves.

    5. You sound exactly like an abusive husband angry that his wife made him hit her again.

      Maybe, someday, his naughty wife will just learn to keep her mouth shut!

  24. Authoritarianism seems to feed on itself.

    Trump’s sedition was an authoritarian’s attempt to extend and expand his power, and we now risk other authoritarians feeding on it.

    1. “…Trump’s sedition was an authoritarian’s attempt to extend and expand his power…”

      You.
      Are.
      Full.
      Of.
      Shit.

    2. Haaahahah!! So when the Dems get it all rigged so we’re a one-party state, you will be comforted by your fantasy that “Well, at least it’s all Trump’s fault.”??

      I think I’m insulated enough so that the misery we’ll see over then next few year will be something I can view with much schadenfreude.

      I USED to love my country enough that I would never find satisfaction in seeing it fall apart, but now? Nah, fuck these people. They insisted on it, and blaming “Trumpers”, the”alt-right”, or those imaginary white supremacists that number in the (imagined) millions, will not fix things for them.

  25. I thought the capitol invasion was a disgusting act, but Pearl Harbor it wasn’t.
    I actually saw an article last week in the NYT which described a congressman as ‘having survived the capitol riots.’

    You know the Democrats are going to make hay out of this, and we have Trump to thank for it.

    1. “You know the Democrats are going to make hay out of this, and we have Trump to thank for it.”

      Huge, or should I write YUGE, point. Trump is the biggest and best gift that Democrats have been given in generations.

      1. Right; Don’t question the Regime man….. Just shut up and be their puppet.

  26. Riot? That was a coup which overthrew Congress and stopped certification of an election. It was a coup to award power to the loser of the election. It was the first coup in US history.

    1. “Riot? That was a coup which overthrew Congress and stopped certification of an election. It was a coup to award power to the loser of the election. It was the first coup in US history.”

      Comment? This is the ravings of a TDS-addled lefty shit. One of many.

      1. Waitwaitwait…we WON??

        Is Trump still in charge? WTF? That’s what he’s saying, and people like that never seem to need a connection to reality but…I don’t think they really overthrew the government.

        And he cannot be made to see how insane that comment is. These are people who deserve President Kamala Harris.

        1. Good thing we don’t throw people in prison for attempted coups, same as attempted murder.

          Oh the constitution mentions those kinds of criminals, specifically. It compels us to treat them gently.

          Would Trumpists keep that part is it straight to the public executions with dog-and-pony trial? With great stupidity comes great “bang shit with a mallet” mentality.

          1. The government is the biggest mallet you can use to solve complex social problems. Hmmmmm.

            Let’s see if he can put that together.

            1. Better than angry mobs.

              1. That’s not what Antifa and BLM say.

    2. I think it was a trial run.
      A lot of people have a lot to gain from chaos in DC.
      Trump did prime the pump with talk of election fraud for several months last year. People became willing to consider the possibility; then the election comes and he says fraud, fraud. They didn’t really try in court because the purpose was not to keep Trump in power (though he may have thought so) but rather to break the US transfer of power process. Fraud, fraud, Russia, Russia, Ukraine, conspiracy, fear, one more time with feeling!
      The authoritarian left now will censor more. I don’t think that’s the endgame though. It’s like one of those finger traps where the harder you try to pull out your finger, the more it tightens.
      The endgame is DC being too caught up in domestic struggles to be functional internationally. Biden might remember how to do global US power, UN and NATO, but Harris might not and will be under a lot of left pressure. Trump’s isolationist streak matches perfectly with some international left goals. If Biden dies in the first term and Harris takes power, I doubt she’d win a second term, but at that point the street unrest will be more frequent here and less covered. Even fewer people would believe the outcome of that election.
      Getting Americans to cooperate with each other would require a massive crisis, and then we might discover that many people don’t know how to cooperate, or are too interested in their own moral high ground. Hang together or hang separately still applies, I think.
      Trump himself was not the point. He gathered loyalty and positioned certain things. I think shit will fly this week in DC though. I don’t know what, but something utterly fucked up will happen. The CIA has been too quiet recently.

      1. To add. I think libertarianism is live and let live, with the awareness that that must be deliberately extended to others. Left will say tolerate, live and let some of them live, and it isn’t safe to extend that to certain people. First they came for the Trump supporters! Extending the tolerance of liberty is conscious, deliberate, and sometimes difficult.
        Public education idolizes becoming foot soldiers for mass unrest (they call it studying the Civil Rights movement.) they’ll get what they’re after sooner or later.

      2. The Left has been “priming the pump” by committing fraud for decades, and by doing their best to scale back election security where they could, to make fraud easier.

        It’s not a coincidence that Nancy Pelosi tried to make mail-only ballots universal as her first act as Speaker in 2018, nor is it a coincidence that they’ve been pushing mail-in as a response to COVID.

  27. Seems like civil liberties are always under attack, the referenced attacks originating in, and from Government, which should be acting in defense thereof. Strange, isn’t it? A note to the populace. Rights not defended are rights lost. Never forget that.

  28. I try to keep in mind that the only time the economic approaches favored by libertarians were ever tried resulted in the obvious: a police state. After all, reducing the size and role of government to an army and police enforcement…empowers whom?

    Oh yeah. The police.

    I’m going to have lots of ammo for my book about libertarianism, “None Dare Call Them Pinheads: Libertarians Versus The 21st Century”.

    1. You ought to find a “mind” before you attempt anything.

    2. I thought it resulted in Somalia.

  29. 30,000 people showed up to protest a Democratic National Socialist regime being installed into the USA’s Government. One they feared would censor speech, dictate wages, pass more redistribution, dictate the auto industry, and just keep taking freedom after freedom after freedom away. Some *unarmed* members got a little carried away and broke some doors.

    So; The Regime did EXACTLY what the protesters feared was going to happen to a T. Maybe the protesters had something to say that might be important?

  30. Just saw a vid on Greg Kelly, Newsmax, of a Capitol cop waving people into the Capitol. Not sure if it was INTO the door.
    Nonetheless I have seen other vids inside the Capitol where cops appear to step aside and calmly watch people streaming in.
    Is this a false flag?
    is this the Reichstag fire, American version?

    1. If the expectation is that individual cops will fight tooth and nail against hundreds of protestors all alone, then I think it’s the expectations that are out of whack.

    2. No man, it’s Pearl Harbor!! It’s 9/11 times a thousand!!

      How many brave Congresscritters can now say they “survived” the “invasion” of the Capitol?? All of ’em, I’m guessing.

      And the press will cooperate with the history being written just so.
      If they can just get the voter verification process a little more free of that racist “verification” stuff, they’ll be in power forever (in their minds) and won’t have to worry about “the judgement of history”.

  31. The difference between then and now is that democrats share anti-semitism with Middle Eastern terrorists, and saw them as allies against republicans.

    In his case, the enemy is republicans, and so they’re hated all the more. We should expect an even harsher response than before.

  32. After the new regime takes over, this incident will go down like the Boston Tea Party.
    The “facts” depend on who’s in charge.

  33. Ok,

    Just this.

    If you can show me how Trump incited a riot, I will chop off my Dick, join a convent as a lesbian (them) and donate my substantial wealth to fighting climate change. And declare the year a jubilee.

  34. Trump wasn’t the one who issued lockdown and stay-at-home orders and mask mandates, it was the tyrants (mostly commiecrats and RINOs) who call themselves “governors.”

    1. But he was the one who spread a treasonous lie to millions of people and then urged them to take over the US government on national TV.

      Sorry about the hygiene measures and your precious freedom.

      1. You should apologize for you imbecility, you pathetic piece if lefty shit.

        1. You declared independence because someone asked you to not to spread disease like a retarded monkey. Or was it the trans pronouns?

          What would you do with people like you? Would you let them vote?

          1. “asked?”, Oh, that’s what it is huh….
            I couldn’t give one crap about what your city council decides — YOUR DICTATIVE PLANS do NOT belong in the NATIONAL Government.

            1. If a majority of the people agree with me, we get to do whatever the fuck we want, within certain constraints.

              Constraints you’re insisting you have a right to eliminate if you don’t get your way on the elections.

              I’m the only one talking about freedom here bud.

              1. “within certain constraints” — And the Constitution gave the federal government the power to mandate masks WHERE?????

                The ‘freedom’ to have YOUR life planned and dictated by the [WE] majority? That’s a new one.

                1. Federal government, masks? Huh?

                  The big problem you have that makes you want to install a dictator to murder your enemies is a federal emergency response to a disaster?

                  Do you bitch like a child over people ordered to evacuate before a hurricane? Yeah freedoms get restricted when your freedom kills other people. That’s the entire deal.

                  You don’t like disaster relief, so you propose a disaster. I guess that’s at least consistently anti-life.

                  1. Install your dictator onto your city council Tony; That’s all I’m asking – Keep your “PLANS” and thoughts in the correct place so both YOU and I can have the correct representation.

                    What’s the point of supporting your dictation 5000 miles away? Just to feel powerful?

                    1. I thought we were talking about the presidency. I get city councils and you get the federal government? No thanks!

              2. The first step to recovery is…………………………………?

              3. Actually, you can do whatever the duck you want right now. do you remember what happened about 10 days ago?

          2. You should apologize for you imbecility, you pathetic piece if lefty shit.

      2. If lockdowns are effective at preventing the spread of disease, then surely there should be data to that effect. Oh, wait, there is, and it says lockdowns aren’t effective.

        Which seems to indicate that the purpose of lockdowns have nothing to do with hygiene. Perhaps we should try “precious freedom” now.

        Of course, traitors like you aren’t interested in freedom. You would rather wallow in your precious lies.

    2. jmlandry
      January.15.2021 at 10:45 pm
      Ok,
      Just this.
      If you can show me how Trump incited a riot, I will chop off my Dick, join a convent as a lesbian (them) and donate my substantial wealth to fighting climate change. And declare the year a jubilee.
      And:
      Paul 3
      January.15.2021 at 10:59 pm
      “Trump wasn’t the one who issued lockdown and stay-at-home orders and mask mandates, it was the tyrants (mostly commiecrats and RINOs) who call themselves “governors.”’
      Pretty sure the TDS-addled lefty shits are not going to deal with facts when they can still scream TRUMP!
      They’d love to blame others for their pathetic existence.

      1. Anyone believe Sevo has substantial wealth?

        1. Anyone believe Tony has two brain cells?

          1. No I’m sticking with one. He’s an amoeba

            1. And not a particularly intelligent one, at that.

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  36. “Don’t Let… Become an Excuse For Government Authoritarianism”

    Tuccille thinks that “we the people” have something to say about what the Government does. How precious.

  37. Of course, the outcome of all this, which we will see on Wednesday, will depend on which side the National Guard is on. The military is known to have a very heavy Trumpist contingent. If you wanted to execute a military coup, you couldn’t ask for a better scenario: Tens of thousands of troops pre-positioned in the heart of the Capital, fortifications in place, the public largely excluded, and with the core of the entire Federal government scheduled to be available to be taken prisoner, killed, or set up as a puppet government, on January 20th.

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  40. I fear this will become the equivalent of the Reichstag fire and will be used to trample on all kinds of free speech and organizations not approved of by the religion of “Wokeism”

    1. That’s already happening.

    2. It already is, and it’s going to get worse.

      The republic is done, and the Zombie Empire that replaced it lurches on with zero accountability. It’s been over for decades–Trump just pulled back the curtain and pointed out the ugly truth.

  41. Reason LOL

    So the basic new theme is to ask Joe to not invoke the dumb ass policies he campaigned on. That you just we’re cheering on?

    WTF folks you’ll get them. Higher taxes, greater regulation, racism to fight racism, packing the court, new states to ensure we have a uni-party system just like who ?

    There are no opposition parties in China

    And thank god you’ll get open borders and maybe some drug legalization. Yea libertarians yea!

  42. So how the fuck do we do that when it has just been proven that voting makes no difference? Well there is one way, but Reason is vilifying even a fake attempt to storm the capital, imagine what the assholes who run this website would say if there was a REAL attempt to do what the clowns are saying was done on 1/6.

  43. Authoritarianism is now under the guise of “diversity, inclusion, and equity.” While govt can’t discrminate or pass laws forcing others…the rest of “social agendas” should reside in the private sector where there is openness to go the extra mile to ensure all people are given a fair chance (“diversity”) but this isn’t what is coming down the pike. cultural marxism/tribalism which has focused on an “enemy” group of Americans since the 60s is now running the show. Be ready if you are the “wrong tribe” to be pounded by govt/big tech/media…anything that does not give the social outcomes will be “racism”..and need to be eliminated forcefully.

  44. It is amazing to me that Biden, who is apparently the most popular candidate in US history, and was elected by a landslide, in the fairest and cleanest elections in history, needs nearly 30,000 troops to protect his virtual inauguration.
    We have used smaller forces to invade foreign countries, even when met with entrenched and hostile military force.
    I don’t know what they are expecting. If it were some kind of general redneck uprising, I think we might have heard of it.

  45. Authoritarianism was always the intent of the Capitol riots.

  46. The left doesn’t need an excuse.

  47. Noted BLM’er Ben Sasse: “The insurrection was not a protest gone awry or the work of a few bad apples. It is the blossoming of a rotten seed that took root in the Republican Party some time ago and has been nourished by treachery, poor political judgment, and cowardice!” TAP ON HERE USA JOB INFO

  48. There was no “Capitol Hill riot”. The Republicans at the demonstration behaved a good deal better than did the Democrats protesting the Kavanaugh confirmation. And vastly better than did the Democrats who spent several months last year beating, burning and looting in DC and all around the country.

    All the people killed at the DC protest were … as usual … Trump supporters, killed by Trump haters. And the press … as usual .. makes it sound as if the violence was committed by Trump supporters.

    And “Reason” … as usual .. faithfully parrots the fascist line.

  49. Between now and 2041, the vast majority of people destroyed by this “response” will likely be innocent Americans with no culpability whatsoever. Cointelpro style blacklisting is grossly inaccurate and major press organizations ignore Cointelpro or covert blacklisting.

    There are good oath-sworn officials working in very dysfunctional bureaucracies. Cointelpro style tactics are intentionally designed to totally BYPASS Judicial Branch “judicial review”.

  50. Congress needs to pass the “Anti-Redcoat” law. Modern day England is a great nation today and our closest ally, but the 4th Amendment and Bill of Rights were created so that America would never become like 18th Century England.

    In recent history, many of America’s national security officials are acting exactly like 18th Century Redcoats. American officials take an oath of office NOT to perform warrantless searches and NOT use 18th Century British “general warrants”.

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