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Judge to FBI: You Should've Gotten a Warrant Before Turning On That Phone

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Turning on someone's cellphone counts as searching it, according to a new federal court ruling. This means that for law enforcement officers, merely pressing a phone's on button and looking at the screen could require a warrant.

"Generally, courts have held that law enforcement can compel you to use your body, such as your fingerprint (or your face), to unlock a phone but that they cannot compel you to share knowledge, such as a PIN," notes Kate Cox at Ars Technica. "In this recent case, however, the FBI did not unlock the phone. Instead, they only looked at the phone's lock screen for evidence."

The case involves a man in Washington state named Joseph Sam, who local police arrested in May 2019. At the time, the cops confiscated his Motorola smartphone and turned it on yet didn't unlock the phone or search it. But this past February, FBI agents turned on Sam's phone and took a picture of the locked screen—which displayed the name Streezy—for use as evidence in a robbery case against Sam.

Sam's lawyer objected, suggesting that the FBI needed a warrant to look at the phone and, since it had not had one, that any information the FBI gained front Sam's phone screen should be suppressed.

A federal judge agreed.

In a May 18 decision, John C. Coughenour of the U.S. District Court for the District of Seattle noted that there was a legal difference between what local cops had done in this case and what the FBI did:

The police's examination took place either incident to a lawful arrest or as part of the police's efforts to inventory the personal effects found during Mr. Sam's arrest. The FBI's examination, by contrast, occurred long after the police had arrested Mr. Sam and inventoried his personal effects. Those examinations present significantly different legal issues…

The local cops' examination of the phone, Coughenour explained,

may have been a search incident to arrest or an inventory search—two special circumstances where the Government does not always need a warrant to conduct a search. Unfortunately, the Court cannot decide whether the police needed a warrant because the circumstances surrounding the police's examination are unclear.

The FBI actions are a different matter:

The Fourth Amendment protects people from "unreasonable searches and seizures" of "their persons, house, papers, and effects." The default rule is that a search is unreasonable unless conducted pursuant to a warrant.

This default rule makes the term "search" critically important because the term's definition often dictates when the Government needs to obtain a warrant. Over time, the Supreme Court has defined "search" in two distinct ways. The first establishes a "baseline" of Fourth Amendment protections: the Government engages in a search if it physically intrudes on a constitutionally protected area to obtain information. The second definition expands Fourth Amendment protections beyond notions of property. Under that definition, the Government also engages in a search if it intrudes on a person's reasonable expectation of privacy.

Here, the FBI physically intruded on Mr. Sam's personal effect when the FBI powered on his phone to take a picture of the phone's lock screen….The FBI therefore "searched" the phone within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment.

Since it did this without a warrant, the judge ruled, "the search was unconstitutional."


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"We are not going to close the country" again. Once again, President Donald Trump is pretending that he has the authority to dictate whether companies across the country can operate. At a Thursday press conference, Trump told reporters that no matter what happens with COVID-19, "we are not closing our country" again.

"We are going to put out the fires," Trump said. "We're not going to close the country."

For months now, Trump has been acting like he has the authority to make this call. But the law is clear on this: Whether businesses can open—and what precautions people must take to use them—rests with state and local leaders. Trump can offer them advice on what to do, and he can rant and rave on TV and Twitter to his heart's content, but the decisions are not his to make.

Alas, a lot of the press likes to play along with the president's delusions. For weeks, we were regaled with stories about how Trump was forcing meat processing plants with infected employees to get back to business. It wasn't true.


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More than a third of the people who have COVID-19 are asymptomatic, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). In addition, the agency's "best estimate" is that 0.4 percent of people with COVID-19 systems will die.

• At both the CDC and some state health departments, the authorities have been lumping together tests for active COVID-19 infections with tests for COVID-19 antibodies. This skews the data in several important ways.

• The Biden campaign has allegedly asked Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D–Minn.) to undergo vetting as a potential running mate.

• The FBI is investigating the police murder of Breonna Taylor.

• Study: Sweden's "herd immunity" strategy isn't panning out.

• Despite being the first state to start reopening, "Georgia now leads the country in terms of the proportion of its workforce applying for unemployment assistance," reports Politico.

• Facebook announced yesterday that it will let most employees continue to work from home—wherever that home might be—indefinitely, although workers switching from San Francisco to lower-cost-of-living locales may have to take a pay cut.

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  1. Andrew Weissmann, former lead prosecutor on Mueller’s special counsel team, is headlining a June 2nd virtual fundraiser for Biden.
    https://twitter.com/KThomasDC/status/1263484423510638597

    1. I’m okay with that; you can virtual-fundraise from a prison cell, right?

    2. Weissmann spend his entire career at DOJ being a crooked prosecutor who made his name putting innocent people into jail. You know what he does now? He works at NYU Law School on the innocence project.

      At first glance that would seem redemptive. But, since Weissman has never once expressed regret for the harm he caused as a prosecutor or done anything to undo that harm, his desire to free the innocent is galling rather than redemptive. That piece of shit is going to try to make up for his own sins by going after other prosecutors for theirs.

      It is not for me to say who is going to hell and who isn’t. But it is hard to come up with many better candidates than Weissman.

      1. Yes. He strikes me as the crassest political opportunist. Much like a certain president and their views on gay marriage.

        1. James Buchanan?

      2. Maybe he runs interference on all his past cases.

  2. https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-allegations/

    I would vote for Joe Biden if he boiled babies and ate them. He wasn’t my candidate, but taking back the White House is that important. Four more years of Trump will replace what remains of our democracy with unchecked rule by kleptocrats, fascists, religious fanatics, gun nuts, and know-nothings. The environment? Education? Public health? The rights of voters, workers, immigrants, people of color, and yes, women? Forget them. And not just for the next four years: A Trump victory will lock down the courts for decades. I cannot believe that a rational person can grasp the disaster that is Donald Trump and withhold their support from Biden because of Tara Reade.

    1. Republicans might control the courts meaning Democrats would have to win elections to get their policies rather than just shove them down the public’s throats by judicial fiat. The horror.

    2. Well, I don’t know about Joe himself, but his party prefers to simply rip babies limb from limb and throw them in the trash.
      So he deserves that person’s vote, and that person deserves to be governed by democrats.

  3. Sorry ENB, you’re stuck at Reason for the time being.

    The Atlantic laying off nearly 20 percent of staff
    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/498939-the-atlantic-laying-off-nearly-20-percent-of-staff

    1. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1263149675395284992.html
      Journalists begging social media companies to censor anyone, but particularly the president, is bizarre, to put that generously.

      But Trump-era journalism has inverted all values about what journalism’s role, so – like ratting out a source to the FBI – this will be celebrated:

    2. Who reads the Atlantic? It doesn’t even have doctor’s offices the way Time and Newsweek do. I don’t think I have known a single person who subscribed to it.

      1. The Atlanic is one of those high-brow publications that upper-class Beltway types keep on their coffee table, or that is found in the waiting rooms of DC lobbying firms or respectable, slightly-left-of-center non-profits.

        I wouldn’t have expected you to be affiliated with any of those three examples.

        1. I actually know a few upper class beltway types. And even they didn’t keep a copy out. I think it is one of those things people claim to read but don’t actually do so because they think it makes them look thoughtful and erudite.

          1. Most of these mainstream Beltway mags went to shit after Dubya was re-elected. They pretty much dropped all pretense of being objective journalists, all because their side lost.

            1. Most of these mainstream Beltway mags went to shit after Dubya was re-elected

              I used to enjoy the Atlantic, but you’re right. Around 2004 they started to morph into yet another DNC house organ.

              They also started to lose any semblance of editorial control and some of the articles would contradict themselves, or make assertions that were demonstrably false to even a child.

    3. *In Nelson’s voice* HA HA

  4. <i.This means that for law enforcement officers, merely pressing a phone's on button and looking at the screen could require a warrant.

    GOOD LUCK GETTING ONE OF THOSE, COPPERS!

    1. There is no way in hell to interpret that comment as anything but racist.
      Joe Biden just told 3.5 million blacks that they aren’t even smart enough to know they are black.

      1. Yeah, but rhetorically speaking, is he wrong? Black women in particular are the most kept voting demographic in the country. Blacks as a whole have been a reliable Democrat voting bloc since the Great Depression.

        There’s no empirical reason any Democrat politician should think that the Black vote won’t be automatic, or that they can’t brow-beat black voters into voting for them if necessary. That attitude won’t change unless black voters, especially the women, don’t give them their vote.

        1. Looking at the history of the Democratic Party it’s weird isn’t it. Slavery, Dred Scott, the Klan, Jim Crow, Bull Connor, opposition to the Civil Rights act, the Solid South, etc…

          It’s like if the Jews voted Nazi en masse because they swore they had a change of heart and the other parties were secretly out to get the Jews with secret dog whistles and shit.

          Like I said yesterday, I feel like I’m living in a giant prank.

        2. “I’m not acknowledging anybody who is being considered, but I guarantee you, there are multiple black women being considered. Multiple,”

          Holy sheeeet! He just implied Tank Abrams is so fat he considers her multiple!

      2. What I like is the “He was making a comment in jest” claim.

        Listen to the interview. This is the exact line before his “in jest” comment:

        “Listen, you gotta come see us when you come to New York VP Biden. It’s a long way until November, we got more questions. ”

        Not sure how this leads to Biden’s HILARIOUS comment and all…but the press will claim it.

    2. Holy fuck! Apparently Joe Biden got everything he knows about black people from Jerry McGuire.

      1. Seriously? Biden got everything he knows about black people from Corn Pop. All black people live in the inner city, the women spit out babies so they can live on welfare, the men are all drug dealers. Nobody’s married, nobody’s got more than a fifth-grade education, nobody’s got a job, they all have criminal records and they all vote Democrat.

        Remember how amazed Joe was when he met Obama – a clean, well-spoken, intelligent black guy who was actively looking for a job? Joe got over his amazement when he found out Obama was half white, then he understood where it came from. And it’s not like Joe is at all unusual among Democrats in his beliefs about the natural inferiority of non-white people, they all feel acutely the terrible weight of the white man’s burden.

    3. Apparently he has folders full of black women.

    4. From the Politico link.

      “Meanwhile Biden’s campaign sought to manage the fallout online, with his senior adviser Symone Sanders insisting that the “comments made at the end of the Breakfast Club interview were in jest.””

      Were we not just talking about excusing gaffes as jest?

  5. https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1263795490753216512
    It pains me to say this, but I have found the Georgia Republicans in leadership to be far more responsive under pressure in the Ahmaud Arbery case than the key Kentucky Democrats in leadership in the Breonna Taylor case.

    Every single decision maker in Georgia was a Republican.

    1. https://twitter.com/AmericaRising/status/1263803921136603136
      .
      @JoeBiden
      : “If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

      @cthagod
      : “It don’t have nothing to do with Trump, it has to do with the fact — I want something for my community.”

      1. : “It don’t have nothing to do with Trump, it has to do with the fact — I want something for my community.”

        Sounds like that vote’s for sale.

  6. VA Gov. Ralph Northam just signed a law to decriminalize marijuana possession.

    Way to be a stereotype for your people, governor.

    1. Governor Coonman thinks the women of Virginia will not be corrupted by negros using the devil weed to tempt them. He is enlightened like that.

      1. Remember when Jen Rubin said Democrats don’t allow racists to be in office in their party?

        Good times. Good times.

  7. Stunning Poll: Whopping 36 Percent of Americans Less Likely to Take Coronavirus Vaccine [that we can’t come out of lockdown without] if Trump Vouches For It
    https://www.mediaite.com/news/stunning-poll-whopping-36-percent-of-americans-less-likely-to-take-coronavirus-vaccine-if-trump-vouches-for-it/

      1. I think the courts are going to have a say in that. I don’t think governors are going to get away with this stuff much longer. Also, the public is just going to ignore the rules and go back to normal whether Governor Karen likes it or not.

        1. And while it is undoubtedly true Trump was on board with the closures…this becoming more and more a DNC thing.

          And I don’t think “lockdowns yesterday. Lockdowns today. Lockdowns forever” is a winning slogan.

      2. Well, he is the fool to prove it – – – – – – – – – – – –
        Fun Fact: NO vaccine is “fool proof”.

        Fascists gotta be fascist.

        1. Fascists gotta be fascist.

          Who knew we were one bad flu season from a socialist takeover?

          Other than anybody that has ever argued with baby Jeffy, Kirkland or Hihn.

    1. This is all unfolding according to Trump’s sinister plan.

      First, he primed the pump with Hydroxychloroquine.

      Once a vaccine is available, he will guarantee that 36% Americans – most of his most fervent opponents – will refuse to take the vaccine.

      This is how he will win re-election.

  8. Once again, President Donald Trump is pretending that he has the authority to dictate whether companies across the country can operate.

    A few blue check marks and blue state governors seemed to want the federal government to have this exact power.

    1. Why highlight that when ENB’s life seems to revolve only around what Trump does or says?

      1. The funny thing about ENB is she’ll say stuff like this and then go and blame Trump for not doing things that are a governor’s prerogatives.

        No consistency of thought outside of orangemanbad.

    2. Yeah, weren’t they arguing just the opposite like 2 months ago?

    3. Or maybe, just maybe, states and local officials arbitrarily deciding what businesses can and can’t operate and how looks very different if the federal government is actively opposing it instead of facilitating it?

      If the feds were suing the states on behalf of their populace and not sending money, would CA, WA, NY, etc. be able to weather it?

    4. As we all know only Clinton, Obama and Biden have that authority.

  9. Re: Trump mask

    NoelCaslerComedy@CaslerNoel

    Trump wears lifts in his shoes, a girdle, Depends, a fake tan and a dead ferret on his head while standing like a drunk centaur as he tours the Ford Factory. But he won’t wear a mask because he thinks it would make him look stupid. @realDonaldTrump

    1. That is because a mask would make him look stupid. And fuck you if you think anyone should have to wear a mask to be in public.

      1. Masks work, and are low cost. If you want people to be out and about and businesses open, you should encourage mask wearing.
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7191274/

        1. No they don’t work well. They are unhealthy. We are not meant to wear masks for long periods of time. Moreover, they don’t decrease the spread of the virus. You should encourage people not to wear masks and refuse to wear one yourself. Wearing one is just a sign of scientific ignorance.

          1. “Wearing one is just a sign of scientific ignorance”
            That virtue isn’t going to signal itself

          2. “They are unhealthy”

            Shhh, don’t discourage him.

        2. The point however was that they look stupid and that you’re an irredeemble pussy for wearing one.

          Of course you managed to find way to comment on how useful they are for showing your willingness to be led.

          1. I think he should just get a mask with a Gold Star on it. At least be honest about its purpose.

        3. Wear that virtue muzzle, bitch

        4. 1. “If you are sick,” the CDC says, “you should wear a facemask when you are around other people (e.g., sharing a room or vehicle) and before you enter a healthcare provider’s office.” But “if you are NOT sick,” it adds, “you do not need to wear a facemask unless you are caring for someone who is sick (and they are not able to wear a facemask).
          2. A randomized trial of face masks involving about 7,700 hajj participants in Mecca had less promising results. At the end of the study, which was reported in The Lancet last year, the subjects who received masks—most of whom used them intermittently or not at all—were just as likely to have viral respiratory infections as those who did not. Last year was 2019; most people in C19 panicked 2020 wear their mask intermittently, or just plain wrong like over their mouth only, or hanging around their neck.

          1. And yet, if I want to enter a store of some sort, I’m forced to wear one.

            1. Depends on where you live. Around here, of the stores I frequent, only Menards is requiring customers to wear a mask, and I haven’t checked with them for a couple of weeks, so maybe not anymore.

        5. Do you have an update on human life expectancy due to this virus?

          I’m curious where we’re at.

        6. HE ISN”T SICK YOU DUMB FUCK! Why should somone who is not not sick surrounded by people who are not sick wear a fucking mask?

          Try using that Science! degree you got out of the cereal box, fucktard.

        7. De Oppresso Liber
          May.22.2020 at 10:28 am
          “Masks work, and are low cost….”

          You.
          Are.
          Full.
          Of.
          Shit.
          From your link:
          “• In the community, masks may be more protective for well people.”

        8. A ball gag would even work better for you.

      2. https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1263587730841194496
        WATCH: Michigan AG
        @DanaNessel
        jumps on CNN outraged that President Trump did not wear a face mask in public

        Says she may bring charges against Ford for not forcing Trump to wear a mask at production plant

        1. https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1263819394238554112
          Jack Posobiec
          @JackPosobiec
          How long before “everyone who drives a Ford is a racist” begins?
          Quote Tweet

          Peter Baker
          @peterbakernyt
          · 2h
          ADL calls on Trump to apologize after the president hailed Henry Ford, who promoted virulent anti-Semitic tracts, for his “good bloodlines.”

          1. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1263823153614278657.html

            Did You Know:

            During WW2 the AP illegally made a deal with the Waffen SS

            They produced pro-Nazi propaganda for Hitler in exchange for keeping their Berlin bureau open

          2. “everyone who drives a Ford is a racist”

            How about ‘anyone who drives a Ford is an idiot because their transmissions blow up or fall out’. My experience is anecdotal, but it is also 2 for 2.

            1. 2 fords and zero transmission problems my anecdotal experience

              1. Probably depends on what you get; I’ve never been a fan of their sedans or crossovers, but their trucks are decent.

            2. Cars or trucks? That’s the difference. I’ve driven F-150’s my entire adult life and never had any issues.

              Cars on the other hand tend to suck.

              1. Heavy duty transmission in my F-150 Platinum crapped out. The transmission in the Escape exploded.

                1. Why spend so much on a cowboy cadillac like the Platinum, though? You probably could have gotten most of what you wanted in an XLT or STX version at about half the price.

                  No surprise the Escape tranny blew out. Their crossovers are so, so bad.

                  1. I did buy the vehicle used, so I didn’t pay for the Platinum upgrade. Even so, I drove it 6k miles without using a trailer and the heavy duty transmission went at 108k. I put 220k miles on a Chevy van with narry a slip.

                    1. FWIW, nearly 200,000 miles on a 2 decade old F250 with no transmission problems (yet). Prior owners were a concrete company and a construction contractor.

                      Years ago I had an AWD Ford Aerostar which needed the transfer case chain replaced. Got a couple more years out of it before trading it in on the aforementioned F250.

                      I also have a Taurus, and the transmission on that feels odd, not sure how to describe it. It was previously a rental car, so who knows what it has been put through.

                      Out of ten Fords I’ve had over the years, the only two with transmission problems were due to leaks. They were 80s Ford sedans, so leaks were pre-installed at the factory.

        2. That will get shut down in about 10 seconds after Ford points out that Trump just took it off for the presser.

        3. ENB’s views on the MI AG threatening suits against Ford for not making a non-employee do something go unmentioned…

    2. And he was right.

    3. And you do, and you look, and are, stoooooopid.

    1. I can’t understand anything she is saying. Is she screaming “fine” or “mine”? What the hell is going on there? Please help those of us who don’t speak lunatic.

    2. This is why we have 5150 holds.

      1. This is why we have 5150 holds.

        Personally, I love me some Sammy Hagar and I love me some Van Halen, but 5150 just didn’t hold up over time.

        1. Most of the Van Hagar era is forgettable.

          1. I agree. David Lee Roth was much better.

    3. I thought ENB was the morning Karen.

  10. https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/05/21/james-woods-blasts-stacey-abrams-as-she-exposes-the-intentional-weaponization-of-not-letting-illegal-immigrants-vote/
    Democrat Stacey Abrams: illegal immigrants “are now no longer able to elect anyone who represents them”

    Stacey Abrams wants illegal aliens to be able to vote because it would balance “white people.” If she is Joe Biden’s running mate, she will be president within a year, if he’s elected. Watch for yourself.

      1. I have it on good authority from Reason and the progressive left that such things never, ever, EVER happen. That judge is a racist for claiming otherwise!

        1. A guy who was entrusted to over see a polling location simply went in the booth when no one was there and smashed buttons. He cast 100 odd fraudulent votes. Voter ID, no mail in voting, or any of the other asinine hoops GOP wants to make people jump through to vote would have no effect on this very unusual case.

          1. Okay, so we’re hand-waving away all of the instances that don’t conform with the progressive narrative. Got it.

            1. DoL is obviously an AI fallacy machine.

              1. No, he’s a dishonest piece of shit. He’s lied so much throughout his life, that lying is actually his default position.

                He truly is a sociopath.

          2. When was the last time you heard about a bank being robbed? It’s been forever for me. Why bother locking the doors then?

            1. Banks still get robbed a lot here in California but since we no longer punish theft its no big deal

              1. Bank vaults are symbols of racism.

          3. That is true. But, if he was willing to do that then there is no reason to think he wouldn’t have also have been willing to vote in someone else’ name or forge paper mail in ballots.

            By your logic, someone breaking into my house through the window is no justification for me locking the front door.

          4. Right but you rig elections so everyone expects you to lie about it like that too,

          5. “asinine hoops”

            This would be a good handle for you as you basically just show up to get dunked on.

            1. That would be a great name for an NBA blog.

          6. “Voter ID, no mail in voting, or any of the other asinine hoops GOP wants to make people jump through to vote would have no effect on this very unusual case.”

            So this “unusual case” shows that other voter fraud is not an issue?
            Are you familiar with the phrase ‘non-squitur?’

          7. Are you more upset that reality leaked through your insistence on not ever investigating voter fraud…. or that he was caught?

          8. County clerk in Pontiac, Michigan charged with forging or altering almost 200 absentee ballots in 2018. She was only caught because she threw them in the trash where they were found.

          9. “very unusual”

    1. Jesus. The campaign ads just write themselves at this point. So, the Democratic Party has figured that it no longer needs the white, working class vote?

      Going to make their victory in November, after widespread adoption of vote by mail, all the more easier for people to swallow.

      1. They figured that out in 2008. It’s why they ran Hillary. White people are all racist, sexist, bigoted, Bible-thumping, gun-toting, evil, inbred moron bitter-clingers, and yet Obama still got elected. That proved to the Democrats that there just weren’t enough white people to stop them from electing anybody they pleased. Why bother trying to appeal to the moderate middle when they didn’t need them any more? Not only would there never again be a Republican president, never again would there be a straight white male as president. This is why Trump’s election blew their minds – where the hell did all these white people come from? They thought they had defeated racism and sexism and bigotry and ignorance and evil and yet here it is back again. Absolutely no ability to process the idea that maybe Obama won because the American people aren’t as racist and sexist and bigoted and ignorant and evil as they thought. Nope, that fact is a matter of faith beyond question, a heresy against the core tenet of the Democratic Party – white people, America, and Western Civilization are irredeemably evil and the source of all the ills of humanity. Don’t you dare suggest there might be a few things to their credit and maybe they aren’t all that bad.

  11. “We are going to put out the fires,” Trump said. “We’re not going to close the country.”

    If he’s making a prediction, I believe it is correct.

    1. Trump: We are not going to continue to beat our wives.
      Reason: He doesn’t have that authority!

      1. The bitch said she does it for the clicks. Believe her.

        1. Makes sense. Clicks are the coin of the realm.

        2. I do. Walks like a stupid whore, talks like a stupid whore…

    2. In context, I didn’t watch the presser, was he simply saying the American people won’t stand for a second lockdown? Was it a rhetorical flourish?

      1. Yes, but ENB feels rhetorical flourishes are only justified if your name is followed by a (D).

  12. Strange that absolutely nothing has happened (in Reason‘s view) regarding the Obama Administration, FBI, and CIA’s systematic spying on its political enemies….

    1. https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1004082232447905792
      Five years ago today, Edward Snowden revealed through journalists that the NSA was conducting the largest domestic mass surveillance program in American history.

      1. Glenn Greenwald is one of the few journalists out there with any integrity left.

        Anyone paying close attention to this issue should realize that the Obama Administration had a coordinated effort to spy on all of its enemies, in both the Republican and Democratic party. This isn’t a secret. They were previously caught doing it to journalists and members of Congress. Then they were caught doing it to the rival party’s presidential campaign. Who else were they spying on? Probably the other 16 Republicans also running. They have a documented history of doing this. It’s astounding that a publication that claims to be in favor of civil liberties has gone completely silent on the issue.

    2. The Obamagate Scandal Just Got Even Dirtier
      https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/05/21/obamas-fbi-offered-to-pay-christopher-steele-to-dig-up-dirt-on-mike-flynn-n412894

      British spy Christopher Steele was offered money by Obama’s FBI to dig up dirt on Michael Flynn. The proposal came in the weeks before the 2016 election. This offer hasn’t received any press until now and was first reported by The Daily Caller. “The inspector general’s report, released on Dec. 9, 2019, said that FBI agents offered to pay Steele ‘significantly’ to collect intelligence from three separate ‘buckets’ that the bureau was pursuing as part of Crossfire Hurricane, its counterintelligence probe of four Trump campaign associates.”

      FBI agents also wanted contact with “any individuals or sub sources” whom Steele could provide to “serve as cooperating witnesses to assist in identifying persons involved in the Trump campaign-Russian relationship.”

    3. They still aren’t reporting Joe Biden has now officially been named in the criminal investigation by the Ukrainian government into the firing of the special prosecutor, either.

      1. What are the chances Reason will report on this outside of a handwave?

  13. https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1263605530389549057
    From physicians at a hospital on Walnut Creek, in Northern California, average household income 50% higher than US average: more deaths from suicide than #Covid, more attempts in the last month than most years, the lockdowns have to end. https

  14. “For weeks, we were regaled with stories about how Trump was forcing meat processing plants with infected employees to get back to business”

    No we weren’t you delusonal twat.

    1. Don’t worry, in a few weeks, when meat prices are through the roof, they’ll be blaming him for NOT forcing the processing plants to operate.

  15. Biden Hammered Romney’s Bain Ties In 2012. Now, Bain Execs Are Fueling Biden’s 2020 Bid
    https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/21/joe-biden-bain-capital-mitt-romney/

    1. don’t you know thats how all politics works, threaten a company with regulations or some other public threat and suddenly they are at your door with donations. amazing how that works

    2. To be fair, Romney himself is likely to support Biden.

  16. More than a third of the people who have COVID-19 are asymptomatic, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

    “Now that that’s out of the way, back to gun control and climate change.”

    1. You know the CDC has already determined that climate change is caused by teen vaping, right?

  17. https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1263658333363482624
    1/ From a grocery store worker in the Chicagoland area. He knows of one serious case in his ~20-store district. Long but worth reading to the end: “at least in my little corner of Illinois reality is starting to win.”

    1. http://ace.mu.nu/archives/387397.php#387397

      Study: Infection Rates Have Fallen In States That Ended Lockdowns, While States That Remained Locked Down Still Have Infection Spikes

      JPMorgan has a devastating piece arguing that infection rates have declined — not increased — in states where lockdowns have ended, “even after allowing for an appropriate measurement lag.” (Kolonavic)

      1. It appears that being outside and casual contact is not conducive to the spread of the virus. The virus spreads with close and repeated contact. So, locking people in their homes is going to increase the spread of the virus. These lockdowns are making the virus worse not better.

        1. Noise spreads the virus. Not kidding; choir practice, loud meatpacking plants, etc. You sing/talk loudly, you spit out germs further.

          1. That makes sense. The events where it was known to spread the most were Marti Gras, Chinese New Year in New York City, and that Biogen conference in Boston. All of those events had people in close proximity to each other talking and or yelling a lot.

            That doesn’t bode well for having sporting events. But the answer to that is to have them and tell people at risk or those who live with people at risk not to attend. As for everyone else, let it spread and help build the herd immunity.

            1. It was also a lot cooler outside then. I’m not sure a ball game in summer sunshine and heat will spread the virus as effectively, despite similar amounts of crowding.

          2. Video footage of 4-yr. old who contracted COVID at a local department store.

  18. The Biden campaign has allegedly asked Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D–Minn.) to undergo vetting as a potential running mate.

    Biden thinks her hair looks most aromatic.

    1. If her hair doesn’t smell right, she ain’t black!

      1. New Biden/Klobuchar 2020 campaign ad.

  19. “…Once again, President Donald Trump is pretending that he has the authority to dictate whether companies across the country can operate…”

    No, he’s saying he WON’T ‘dictate’ their closing.
    TDS is *pernicious*!

    1. The logic here seems to be that Trump is some kind of a tyranny because he thinks he has the power to end the governor’s tyranny.

      Freedom really is slavery. And while these decisions are made by governors, Trump controls the CDC and the guidelines they give out. I wish governors luck in court defending their lockdowns if they run counter to the CDC recommendations.

  20. Sweden’s “herd immunity” strategy isn’t panning out.

    Sweden’s COVID-19 policies simply cannot appear viable. Too many worldviews depend on it not.

    1. How are we defining “working” here? I thought the point of the lockdowns was to prevent healthcare systems from being overwhelmed. Is Sweden’s hospital infrastructure collapsing due to a massive influx of COVID19 patients? If not, then their strategy seems, at worst, no worse than any other nation. Probably better, since it didn’t involve torching their economy.

      1. Sweden’s strategy is the “rip off the bandaid and get it over with” strategy. Whether or not it is successful won’t be known for several months when the expected Second Wave of infections hit.

        But as Fist correctly notes, there are A LOT of people who don’t like it because it threatens their favorite policies.

        1. No matter how many posts the media makes, Sweden has not yet rocketed up to #1 on the death charts. And unlike some places *cough* *cough*, they count deaths in nursing homes.
          So glad they are hanging in there as the control group for this madness

          1. *cough* *cough*

            Too soon.

            1. Too soon.

              Yeah, it’s not really funny unless he’s 80 with a couple comorbidities.

        2. People cannot comprehend the fact that this is a long term thing.

          We’re so inundated with instant information that people can’t grok the need to give things time to play out.

          Logically if you lock everyone into a room alone the spread of the virus will diminish during that period. However, that’s not a viable medium-long term strategy.

          We’re not even to the medium term. The long term won’t be felt for a couple years when we see how the economic devastation plays out.

      2. Reading the article… they aren’t ‘working’ because apparently this thing isn’t spreading like wildfire so after deliberately not trashing their economy for two months only 7.5% of people in Stockholm have had it.

        Basically, they aren’t developing herd immunity because it’s a little less contractible if you aren’t living in a high density area than people thought.

    2. That article is crappier than your average alarmist trash. The breathless claim:
      “Sweden’s decision to go with voluntary lockdowns…has resulted in the highest number of COVID-19 deaths per capita in Europe…”
      Follow the link to another article in the Post and we find that actually
      “Sweden had the highest number of coronavirus deaths per capita in Europe OVER THE LAST WEEK…” (Emphasis added.) Those four little words do actually make a difference. Also, further on in that same article we find “Though deaths in Sweden are on the decline…”
      Sweden actually ranks 8th in Europe in deaths per 1M population according to worldmeters.info. Sixth if you exclude tiny Andorra and San Marino.
      A different take on the situation in Sweden:
      https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31035-7/fulltext

      1. Yep! But you wouldn’t know they were talking about just last week unless you clicked the link.

      2. So your saying ENB is being dishonest? Why I never!

    3. Sweden’s COVID-19 policies simply cannot appear viable. Too many worldviews depend on it not.

      Look, Dr. Ferguson said we’re all gonna die of brain clouds anyway, we might as well jump in the volcano so that the Waponis will give Graynamore the bubaru he needs.

  21. No, next question:

    https://www.aier.org/article/will-the-political-class-be-held-liable-for-what-theyve-done/
    Sovereign immunity creates a two-tiered society: those above the law and those below it; those whom the law fails to bind and those whom the law fails to protect. This legal doctrine almost guarantees that no politician will face any personal liability for their shutdown dictates.

    Even New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, who callously compelled nursing homes to accept COVID patients, will have no legal culpability for a policy that contributed to more than 5,000 nursing home deaths in his state. Pennsylvania Health Czar Rachel Levine issued a similar order, contributing to thousands of nursing home deaths, and then removed her own 95-year-old mother from a nursing home to keep her safe.

    Politicians presume they are blameless for destroying jobs as long as the victims receive temporary unemployment compensation. Actually, it is worse than that: politicians claim a right to seize a slice of the paychecks of people still working to recompense people whose jobs they destroyed. Would a private corporation be able to escape punishment for breaking people’s legs by giving free crutches to its victims?

    “Better safe than sorry” is damned risky when politicians have no liability for what they ravage. There is no way that politicians can compensate American citizens for all the damage they have inflicted in this pandemic. This COVID shutdown catastrophe should be a permanent black mark against the political class and the experts who sanctified each and every sacrifice.

    1. The COVID-19 ‘Science’ Is Starting to Scare Me

      https://pjmedia.com/culture/rabbi-michael-barclay/2020/05/21/science-is-starting-to-scare-me-n412181

      History shows us these same types of isolation practices and singling out of individuals or groups based on “science” before. The 18th-century zoologist Carl Linnaeus determined that the “African race” (as opposed to those from Europe) were “sly, lazy, cunning, lustful, careless, and governed by caprice.” His science proved that Asians were “severe, haughty, greedy, and ruled by opinions,” whereas the Europeans were “gentle, acute, inventive, governed by laws.”

      This “scientific racism” was extended by Christopher Meiners (1747-1810), whose science demonstrated without a doubt that “negroes… feel less pain than others” and are “without emotion.” These and other “scientists” like them paved the way for justifying slavery. If those of African descent were less than human, then there was no reason to not treat them differently and even enslave them.

      In 1912, Henry Goddard “scientifically” tested immigrants at Ellis Island and determined that 87% of Russians, 83% of Jews, 80% of Hungarians, and 79% of Italians were “feeble minded and had a mental age of less than 12.” His scientific proof was the foundation for the Immigration Act of 1924, restricting American immigration.

      The twentieth century demonstrated the epitome of the dangers of “science” determining public policy in Europe. By 1933, German scientists had “proven without doubt” that there were different classes of humans; that the pure Aryan race was scientifically proven to be superior to all others; and that other categories such as Jews were “sub-human” (Untermenschen).

      By definition, this meant that, like the black slaves of the 19th century, these sub-humans could and should be marked (with a yellow star if Jewish to distinguish them from the other more human races), isolated and quarantined, and even medically experimented on…all for the purpose of science and to protect the general public.

      The Nuremberg Laws of 1935 codified into official public policy these anti-Semitic behaviors, all derived from the “modern science” of the time and based on the idea that the general.populace should trust those scientists in order to protect the nation. Ultimately, this led to the Holocaust and the systematic killing of over six million Jews.

      All proven by and in the name of “science.”

      The policies of Messrs. Newsom, Cuomo, Garcetti, Levin, and their supporters are all based in the current scientific understanding of COVID-19. Although there are many scientists who disagree with their understanding, and although the understanding of this virus is constantly changing due to new information, these leaders are insisting upon basing public policy on fears based in “science.” And their draconian policies are not only intellectually inconsistent (ten people are allowed to gather in a crowded liquor store but not in a church sanctuary that can hold 500 people), but far too reminiscent of the policies based on the science of the day that ultimately led to the persecution and death of millions.

  22. “Axeblood”

    Ok Shreek hs busted out his first sock hold your nose for his coming thread shitstorm

    1. Could be turd, but the last handle was “Pod”.

      1. Pretty sure he’s a 14 year old punk.

  23. Despite being the first state to start reopening, “Georgia now leads the country in terms of the proportion of its workforce applying for unemployment assistance…”

    The damage is done.

    1. Yeah, econ nitwits like Newsom figured business can be controlled like a light-bulb; turn the switch off, and then turn it back on when you choose.
      The first part works; just do it at gun-point! The second assumption ignores the damage done by the first part.

  24. …workers switching from San Francisco to lower-cost-of-living locales may have to take a pay cut.

    Ha!

    1. Proving once again… liberals dont actually understand math or cost of living.

  25. Bringing this over from the previous article, just ‘cuz:

    Chuck E. Cheese delivers pizza using another name, and it’s not alone. To drum up delivery businesses, big restaurant chains are rebranding themselves in apps like Grubhub. That could mean more competition for local joints.
    https://twitter.com/i/events/1263521179199029248

    Pizzas made in the kitchens of select Chuck E. Cheese locations are sold under a different name on Grubhub: “Pasqually’s Pizza & Wings.” What makes this particularly interesting here in the Philly area is there is actually a Pasqually’s Pizza that’s been around for years. The emotional side of me wants to say this is borderline unethical, but then it occurs to me, is this really any different than the standard corporate practice of marketing different brands at different price points? Hell, there’s virtually no competition in the optical field anymore — practically every optician chain and eyeglass brand is owned by Luxottica, which owns EyeMed insurance too — or in the haircutting field, where most of the major chains are subsidiaries of Regis. Not to mention, plenty of ostensibly competing fast food chains are owned by holding companies like Yum! Brands. Fake competition is the order of the day.

    1. Incidentally, can one of our resident attorneys explain to me how it’s not a violation of antitrust or Stark law to own both the payer and the payee? Luxottica isn’t the only company to own both the provider and the insurance company. Allina has a similar model in the hospital and clinic space, and I think the same could be said for Kaiser Permanente and Geisinger.

      1. Caremark/CVS is one.

  26. “Facebook announced yesterday that it will let most employees continue to work from home—wherever that home might be—indefinitely, although workers switching from San Francisco to lower-cost-of-living locales may have to take a pay cut”

    I love this trend so much. RIP democrat strongholds. I can’t wait to hear all the bitching about how us evil tech workers are moving out of the cities and can no longer be taxed to death to support the democrat’s perverse experiments in central planning

    1. They’re just going to flock to good cities and implement the same shitty policies that destroyed their old jurisdictions. Look what they did to Virginia and Austin.

      1. But, but, but I don’t want EVERYTHING I left, just my one little program……

        1. The last place just had the wrong people in charge. This time will be different.

      2. They’re just going to flock to good cities and implement the same shitty policies that destroyed their old jurisdictions. Look what they did to Virginia and Austin.

        Yes. This is not going to end how we some people think it’s going to end.

        Tragedy of the commons. Tech workers don’t have to work from any given location so they can always flock to the next unfucked backwater in need of socializing and burn it to the ground. Farmers, coal miners, meat packers all have to learn, at the very least, not to shit in the pool. Tech workers not so much.

        And, to be clear in case some dipshit tries to misinterpret me. I’m not saying no tech companies or remote workers will ever learn not to shit in the pool, I’m just saying that the circumstances dictate that a large amount of pool shitting from a large number of tech firms has been and will be tolerated.

        1. I would not want those people living near me. And I live in DC. As bad as the people in DC are, they are enlightened compared to the tech degenerates. Keep those fuckers contained in California and away from the normal world.

          1. Give it time. I once considered NoVa reasonable compared to DC.

    2. Silicon Valley is so outlandishly expensive that any pay cut they would have to take after moving to lower-cost areas would end up representing a net increase in disposable income.

      1. Silicon Valley is so outlandishly expensive that any pay cut they would have to take after moving to lower-cost areas would end up representing a net increase in disposable income.

        By design. Twitter, Google, and Facebook are effectively going to pay their employees to socialize more remote communities. Of course, they won’t pay them to actually socialize *actual* remote communities like Uganda, Sudan, etc. Too expensive and risky. They’re going to pay them to socialize the remote locations that have infrastructure and government-funded healthcare. Get their employees out of Seattle so that they can make sure everyone in Oregon is subsidizing high speed internet.

        1. Oregon was fucked when they railroaded Packwood for doing his secretary. It was consensual, unlike Biden, and he admitted to it, unlike Clinton. Couldn’t have had anything to do with being a Republican, could it?

  27. Is This Joe Biden’s Blackface Scandal? Strong Echoes of Ralph Northam…
    https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o-neil/2020/05/21/joe-biden-in-1987-we-delawareans-were-on-the-souths-side-in-the-civil-war-n416005
    “But campaigning in Alabama in April, Biden talked of his sympathy for the South; bragged of an award he had received from George Wallace in 1973 and said ‘we [Delawareans] were on the South’s side in the Civil War.”

    1. https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/05/21/gq-piece-pro-life-movement-labels-george-wallace-republican/

      “Joseph Biden of Delaware, for example, tells Southerners that the lower half of his state is culturally part of Dixie; he reminds them that former Alabama Gov. George Wallace praised him as one of the outstanding young politicians of America.” – Detroit Free Press, May 1, 1987 pic.twitter.com/9QLNE1z56T

      — Trump War Room – Text TRUMP to 88022 & get the APP (@TrumpWarRoom) July 18, 2019

      1. Doing my best OBL imitation: “As GQ tells us, George Wallace was a Republican.”

        1. Yea, media never makes that mistake in the opposite direction, do they.

          1. Sure they do.
            When Barack Obama told the White House press pool “It’s not like I’m god or anything”, a lot of articles had to be retracted.
            Fortunately for them however, Barry probably didn’t mean it.

  28. Hot take: Republicans want to reopen the country because they believe in the afterlife which makes them devalue actual life
    https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/05/21/hot-take-republicans-want-to-reopen-the-country-because-they-believe-in-the-afterlife-which-makes-them-devalue-actual-life/

    1. So I guess only Christians can make the rational decision that assuming a small risk is better than losing your business and way of life.

      Pinker must really have a low opinion of atheists.

      1. Christians are the only ones capable of conceptualizing that life can continue after death. Objective atheists rightly believe that reality for everyone else stops existing once you die. There is nothing larger or more primal than the individual.

        Something something… stop believing in God… something something believe in anything…

        1. There is a grain of truth in what he is saying in that it is possible and perhaps likely that people who do not think there is an afterlife have a greater fear of death than those who do. Even to the extent that is true, however, the idea that only people who believe in the afterlife would object to the lock down is absurd.

          And then there is the small fact that the large majority of Democrats are believing Christians, Jews, and Muslims who all believe in an afterlife. Of all the ignorance in that tweet, the most ignorant thing of all is the assumption that Democrats are all atheists.

          1. Can’t you be an atheist and also believe in an after-life and/or a before-life? Just continued existence, no god.

            1. You could. I suppose Buddhists could be described that way.

              1. Should have refreshed.

            2. Can’t you be an atheist and also believe in an after-life and/or a before-life? Just continued existence, no god.

              It’s a matter of definition. Would you consider Buddhists and Taoists to be atheists? Some do, some don’t.

  29. Even a liberal rag like The Week is finally admitting the truth about the lock downs.

    What is happening instead of the widely predicted bloodbath? Confirmed cases of the virus are obviously increasing (though the actual rolling weekly average of new ones have been headed down for nearly a month) while deaths remain more or less flat. This is in fact what happens when you test more people for a disease that is not fatal or even particularly serious for the vast majority of those who contract it, for which the median age of death is higher than the American life expectancy.

    How was this possible? One answer is that the lockdown did not in fact do what it was supposed to do, which is to say, meaningfully impede transmission of the virus. In fact, data both from states like Georgia and from abroad suggests that the lifting of lockdowns is positively correlated with a decrease in rates of infection. This could be because lockdowns are inherently ineffective at slowing down a disease whose spread appears to be largely intrafamilial and nosocomial.

    https://theweek.com/articles/915446/should-grateful-good-news-georgia

    It turns out locking people in their homes was the absolute wrong thing to do if your goal was to control the spread of this virus. Our political leaders, and I include the President in this, have literally done the exact opposite of what should have been done. The only thing that redeems the President is that he seems to have learned from his mistake and is now pushing to have the policies reversed. And that is more than can be said for the rest of them who seem bent on compounding their mistake and doubling down on it even after it is clear what they are doing is wrong.

    1. News orgs in CA are now hinting that the mask requirement is not going away any time soon.
      Any proof of their efficacy?

      1. There is none that I have seen. In fact, every new thing we discover about this virus shows that it transmits in close contact indoors not casual contact. So, what the hell good does wearing a mask in public do? None. You are never close enough to someone long enough to transmit the virus.

        The masks are just a case of people digging in and mandating it as a means of asserting control. That is all it is. It is just mass conformity.

        Honestly, the mask thing is the part about all of this that scares me the most. They are going to reopen all of the businesses sooner rather than later because they have to. They need the money. The mask thing is something that could linger on for God knows how long. I don’t want to live in a world where I have to wear a fucking mask everywhere I go. But, people have convinced themselves that must be the case.

        Forget liberals. I was on a thread at instapundit a few days ago where the majority of the people on the thread were totally gung ho for every business forcing people to wear masks and how it was just wrong for anyone to object. It was fucking terrifying.

        1. John, it is a cultural thing, right…wearing the mask. When the lock downs end, and they will eventually end, we should take another look at wearing masks in enclosed public areas. Not compulsion, but a considered judgement.

  30. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/21/australian-researchers-see-virus-design-manipulati/

    The preliminary report of the study, which is now being peer-reviewed, is based on computer modeling of the virus’ ability to infect various animals, including humans. It was published May 13 on the Cornell University website arXiv.org, which is used for discussion of pre-publication papers.

    Nikolai Petrovsky, the lead researcher, said his team suspects human manipulation in Wuhan because of the unmatched ability of the virus’ protruding spike to infect human cells.

    1. Interesting, but I would take simulation of protein-protein interaction with a grain (well, really, a large pile) of salt.

      1. You have in order to get to ~135mM, right? /nerdyBiochemJoke

  31. Wear a face mask while hiking, even though there’s virtually no risk

    “Of the 7,234 cases of coronavirus studied by the University of Hong Kong, Southeast University and Tsinghua University, exactly one was determined to be spread outdoors.

    But the low risk shouldn’t deter people from taking precautions. Even if you’re expecting to find solitude, you can be still surprised by a sudden rush of other people, whose behavior you can’t control. Inhaling the breath of a passing hiker won’t likely transmit the coronavirus, but odds increase if that person coughs, sneezes, shouts or spits in your direction. And while hiking might not carry a huge risk of infection, using restrooms at trailheads and day use areas certainly does. Aside from all the commonly touched surfaces, viruses can be widely spread by a single toilet flush. Each flush can spread up to 500,000 particles into the air including large and small droplets that can spread viruses onto rolls of toilet paper.”

    Oh, FFS Karen

    1. And while hiking might not carry a huge risk of infection, using restrooms at trailheads and day use areas certainly does.

      No it doesn’t actually. Even if you believe that, however, just wear the mask in the bathroom. That doesn’t mean you have to wear it hiking.

      The mask has become a brand. It is a way to virtue signal how caring and enlightened you are. And people in this society left and right are addicted to virtue signaling. They are never going to give it up. They could develop a 100% effective and safe vaccine tomorrow and give it to everyone next week and these fuckers would still insist on wearing masks and do everything they could to make it mandatory for everyone else as well.

      1. It’s the Oregonian, to be expected. Downtown Portlandia is virtue signalling epicenter. Get 20 mile out though? Anecdotally, maybe 25 % of folks out an about are masked.

    2. I’d suggest the author use a condom; a full-body condom.

      1. I put a plastic bag over my head. Airtight, so I’m afcww ffoakflsj jf jiwaae

        1. I hope someone writes him and suggest he just wear a plastic back over his head when he hikes.

          1. Plastic bags are bad for the environment. Better just to pack his mouth and nose full of organic compost material so no viruses can get in or out.

  32. It is NOT libertarian to say that states have full authority to suppress constitutional rights. If anything, Trump should back up his bluster with real action against governors. When he says we aren’t closing again, he should mean it.

    1. If I didn’t already know about TDS I’d be shocked that a “libertarian” publication would even write this.

  33. 1. “Whether businesses can open—and what precautions people must take to use them—rests with state and local leaders.”
    So Trump is absolutely correct; “we”, the federal government will never close the country. Where’s the issue?
    2. The one-in-three number comes from the same sources as the one-in-five-get-raped college number. I think it is the rounding from the global climate warming change models.
    3. Nothing from the CDC is worth reporting.
    4. Sweden has preserved individual freedoms with overwhelming the health services. And Swedes are still able to get needed cancer screenings and life saving heart surgery. Reads like winning to me.
    4. The FBI cannot be trusted.

  34. • Study: Sweden’s “herd immunity” strategy isn’t panning out.

    Isn’t it a little early to be making judgments like that? The lockdown countries all kicked the coronavirus can down the road, if you even assume that lockdowns helped. What happens when they inevitably reopen?

    Besides, remember “flatten the curve?” That was only supposed to distribute deaths out, not prevent them. So of course countries that went in a different direction will see more deaths early on–they have front-loaded the pandemic.

    1. That story buries the lead. It isn’t panning out because

      A Swedish study found that only 7.3 percent of Stockholmers had developed coronavirus-fighting antibodies by late April, Reuters reports.

      So Sweden did nothing and the virus really didn’t spread to that many people. Yeah, they don’t have herd immunity but they don’t need it. The virus has been lose for months now. If only 7.2% of the Swedes have gotten it, chances are not that many more will. It is pretty clear that the virus doesn’t spread very fast.

      I think part of that is the Swedes have a culture where people don’t hug each other or get in each other’s space a lot. So, the virus didn’t spread very far. Where in a country like Italy where people do get in each other’s space, it did.

      I would say things panned out quite well for Sweden. They didn’t destroy their economy and their culture of staying the hell away form each other worked just fine in keeping the virus under control.

  35. Biggest story going is what’s happening in Hong Kong. China is revving up to go Tienanmen on Hong Kong–and they probably don’t have much of a choice. Since Tienanmen Square, the bargain between the CCP and the Chinese people has been that they would tolerate the CCP so long as the CCP continued to provide rising standards of living and economic growth. Once the CCP fails to deliver that, all bets are off–and the CCP knows it.

    China hasn’t experienced a recession since they joined the WTO in 2001, and their export driven economy won’t bounce back until the economies of the west recover. Yesterday, China decided not to issue forward looking guidance for GDP next quarter for the first time in 30 years. Last month’s number, while growing, was 6% less than it was a year ago for the for the same period. As more Americans and Europeans end up out of work, consumer spending on the things China exports are likely to dry up.

    One of the reasons George III was so keen on putting down revolution in the 13 colonies as because he feared the domino effect. If revolution was successful in America, it might spread through the colonies in the West Indies and across the Atlantic to Ireland. Of course, domino theory is almost always wrong. The British didn’t reach the zenith of their colonial power until more than a century after England lost the American Revolution.

    Domino theory almost always fails. The rest of Asia didn’t become communist after Vietnam fell to communism. Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea, and Taiwan became more capitalist than ever and communist countries like China and Vietnam have become increasingly capitalist since we left Vietnam. Overthrowing Saddam Hussein did not start a wave of American style revolutions throughout the Middle East. Iraq was such a mess and America so widely hated for our efforts in Iraq when the Arab Spring broke out, we can only surmise that the Arab Spring happened in spite of our efforts in Iraq–not because the people of North African wanted to become like Iraq.

    The reason Iran sent Hezbollah and their Revolutionary Guard to Syria to defend Assad was because they feared the Arab Spring moving from Syria into Iran. If Iranian regime remains in power after the disastrous effects of their foolish bid to abandon the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty and the sanctions that imposed, after the collapse of world oil prices, after expensive and profitless wars they waged on their neighbors, and after the effects of the coronavirus itself, it won’t because they put down a popular uprising in Syria. They will survive in spite of that.

    China is in the same boat with Iran for the same reasons. If only 10% of Chinese factory workers become unemployed because American and European consumers are sitting on the sidelines, that’s 150 million angry people. Post WTO China has never experienced a recession, much less a wave of bank failures, home foreclosures, That kind of thing gives rise to militia movements, Ross Perots, and Tea Partys here in the United States. That isn’t possible in China.

    Going all Tienanmen on Hong Kong will not stop what’s coming in China, but like in Orwell’s “Shooting an Elephant”, I’m not sure Emperor Xi has much choice. The real solution is to get the economy going again, but that may take years, and he doesn’t have years to wait. Six months before Ceausescu’s head was put on the proverbial pike, that outcome was hardly imaginable.

    Why would the students at Beijing University be any more supportive of democracy than they were in 1989, and why would average Chinese people be less susceptible to believe that the Mao Dynasty has lost the mandate heaven when they’re in the middle of the first recession any of them can remember?

    1. Luckily the CCP has the Democratic party in and out of the media to defend their financial interests. Best money they ever spent.

      1. I eagerly await today’s “no trade wars with our friends in China can I have an advance on my sweet Chinese payola please” article.

        1. Capitalism is when the means of production is owned by private individuals, prices are set by markets, and wealth and employment opportunities are also distributed through markets.

          Are you or are you not a capitalist?

          Elitism is when politicians inflict their qualitative preferences on people who don’t share them because they think they know what’s best for people–better than people know for themselves.

          Are you or are you not an elitist?

          If you think politicians should restrict markets and prevent us from buying imports because they know what’s better for us than we know for ourselves, then you’re both a socialist and an elitist.

          1. So if General Electric decides it wants to sell China the ability to build hyper sonic missiles that will then be used against the US and its allies, you are okay with that? You should be. Capitalism is the free trade of individuals right?

            Capitalism is great. But its existence and utility doesn’t change the reality that there are nation states and the existence of nation states creates interests and concerns that override your desire to make a quick buck.

          2. Keep using that Marxist term, ken

      2. I’m not sure what that’s about, but if you’re suggesting that the U.S. economy would be better off if only consumers (unemployed or otherwise) didn’t have access to everyday low prices at Walmart, Target, and elsewhere, you’ve got a lot of explaining to do.

        1. WWII was bad economic policy, but the German government at the time was a threat that had to be dealt with.

          Same for the CCP. We don’t have to carpet bomb, but maybe shutting them out of the US market and letting US businesses exploit cheap labor in different countries for the sake of Walmart isn’t the worst idea.

          1. Nazi Germany attacked our allies and presented a long term threat to the American people. It can be well argued that going to war with Germany was in the best interests of the United States and the American people.

            Trade with China is an enormous source of wealth for the American people and raises their standard of living higher than it would be without that trade. Trade with China is in the best interests of the American people and the United States.

            You see the difference, right?

            1. Trade with China is in the best interests of the American people and the United States.

              I see that the CCP is an actual threat. Free trade isn’t free unless it is free both ways. Is using Muslim slave labor ‘free’ trade to you?

              You will say “yes”, because free trade to you is being paid by China to defend them online.

              1. “free trade to you is being paid by China to defend them online.”

                SHOTS FIRED!!!

              2. “Free trade isn’t free unless it is free both ways.”

                The idea that something isn’t good unless it’s perfect is fundamentally irrational.

                https://yandoo.wordpress.com/2013/12/10/perfect-solution-fallacy/

                The fact is that hundreds of millions of American consumers benefit by buying things they want at prices they like.

                Assuming you know what they really want even better than they do is fundamentally absurd. Suggesting that hundreds of millions of American consumers shouldn’t be free to enjoy the benefits of imports from China to their standard of living because the Chinese people aren’t allowed to equally benefit from Americans exports to China is (absurd)^2.

                If you care more about Chinese consumers and their standard of living than you do about yourself and other Americans, maybe you should immigrate to China. Or maybe you should just not buy imports from China. It’s just like the argument about COVID-19 imposed lockdowns in California and New York. If you want to isolate yourself despite the lockdowns being lifted, you should be free to do so, and if you don’t want to buy imports from China, you should be free to avoid buying them.

                What gives you the right to use the coercive power of government to inflict your qualitative preferences on other Americans who don’t share them?

                1. The fact is that hundreds of millions of American consumers benefit by buying things they want at prices they like.

                  And when those same people end up paying taxes to pay for a war or a defense deterrent against China to prevent a war they will wage with the money they make from that trade are those Americans better off?

                  Beyond that, why does the right of Americans to cheap goods outweigh the interests of the people harmed by the money China makes from selling them those goods? The price of you getting that good deal is China funding its police state and eventually enslaving its neighbors. You are so depraved and self centered you can’t comprehend that you might bear some responsibility for that. It is not like it is a surprise. You know the harm that will come from your trading with China. But you don’t care. All you care about is your mindless pursuit of material goods.

                  China uses prison slave labor to make many of its products. And as a result of that, they are cheaper for you. Do you think that is okay? You don’t think there is a problem with profiting from the enslavement of others? No you don’t because you are totally incapable of seeing beyond your own base needs and desires.

                2. “The idea that something isn’t good unless it’s perfect is fundamentally irrational.”

                  Which is cool and all but totally unrelated to what he said you fucking aspie retard.

                  I don’t know why you got a rep for being insightful. All you do is parrot platitudes when you have no counter argument. Its literally what you did there.

                  1. Ken dodges the very interesting question which is, is buying consumer goods from a nation practicing slavery consistent with the NAP? Ken just assumes it is and that he has no moral responsibility for the practices of the people he trades with.

                    I think, however, it is not quite so simple. If I buy goods from someone who enslaves others to make them, I am profiting from that practice just like the guy who does it. I am also enabling it and an accessory to it. If there were no one to buy the products, it is doubtful the person would engage in slavery. What reason would he?

                  2. “Free trade isn’t free unless it is free both ways.”

                    It doesn’t matter if trade is of benefit to American consumers because it isn’t of equal benefit to others–is there some other point being made here?

                    “A course of action should be rejected because it is not perfect, even though it is the best option available.”

                    —-Perfect Solution Fallacy

                    https://yandoo.wordpress.com/2013/12/10/perfect-solution-fallacy/

                    Because you don’t understand what other people are talking about (even after they link it) doesn’t mean they’re wrong or that you’re right.

                    1. It doesn’t matter if trade is of benefit to American consumers because it isn’t of equal benefit to others–is there some other point being made here?

                      It matters because if China is subsidizing goods, then you are getting welfare at the expense of others. The Chinese workers who are screwed and the honest producers in other places are harmed for your benefit. Since you are the most self absorbed person on earth, that fact never occurs to you. That is not the market, that is the Chinese government and you getting together to steal from other people so that you can have artificially cheap goods and the government of China can profit where they otherwise would not in a true free market.

            2. Trade with China is an enormous source of wealth for the American people and raises their standard of living higher than it would be without that trade. Trade with China is in the best interests of the American people and the United States.

              First, you are assuming that the trade we do with China couldn’t be done anywhere else. And that is just nonsense. China isn’t the only country with cheap labor or the ability to produce things. If we stopped trading with China, we would trade with other nations more. The only way trading with China makes us wealthier is to the extent that it provides some value that could not be had trading anywhere but China itself. And over the long run it is hard to see what that value would be.

              No, Americans are wealthier because they happen to trade with China not because they trade with China. They could conduct that trade with other nations and be just as wealthy.

              And the down side of trading with China is that it makes China and its government wealthier too. And they use that wealth to fund the largest and one of the most oppressive police states in the world and to build a military that they plan to use to bully and subjugate the free nations around them.

              Our trade with China funds some of the worst acts of tyranny and barbarity that currently exists on earth. The fact that you are unable to understand that and think all that matters is whatever marginal access to cheap goods trading with China versus any other nation provides is puzzling to put it politely.

              1. I believe in totally open borders and free immigration, even for those armed 18-20 year olds driving tanks across the border.

                There comes a point where a foreign government is enough of a bad actor for us to not fund their state owned enterprises.

                1. I agree. If there is one myth that needs to die it is the idea that trading with a nation with a tyrannical government will somehow make the government less of a threat and the nation more free. China is living proof of the absurdity of that belief.

              2. “First, you are assuming that the trade we do with China couldn’t be done anywhere else. And that is just nonsense.”

                Because some people would substitute with more expensive imports from elsewhere if we couldn’t trade with China ignores 1) the fact that as people are forced to pay more for the same things, their standard of living decreases and 2) the fact that some people would be priced out of enjoying things from Walmart they couldn’t or wouldn’t enjoy if they were more costly.

                I’m sure you understand that the reason things are manufactured in China, rather than elsewhere, is because they have comparative advantages to other countries–even counties with similar pay scales. The reason India and Mexico didn’t develop the factories, workforce, and infrastructure to compete on price with Chinese exports wasn’t because they didn’t wish to do so. It’s because they couldn’t.

                1. ecause some people would substitute with more expensive imports from elsewhere if we couldn’t trade with China ignores 1) the fact that as people are forced to pay more for the same things, their standard of living decreases

                  That is hardly a fact at all. What evidence is there that China provides uniquely cheap products? There isn’t. We trade with China primarily because they have the advantage of most favored nation trade status. Give that status to other low wage countries and there is no reason that they couldn’t produce things just as cheaply as China. It is funny as hell to listen to you wax on and on about the glories of the “market” and then pretend that the market would never adjust to not being able to trade with China and that all the value we get from trading with China would be lost. I think it is that you really don’t understand how markets work and just see them as some kind of magic machine that gives you whatever you want.

                  the fact that some people would be priced out of enjoying things from Walmart they couldn’t or wouldn’t enjoy if they were more costly.

                  That is just a restatement of your first point. And it is just not valid. It assumes that only China can make cheap goods and the market could never adjust to its loss. You don’t understand markets Ken or just selectively forget how they work when it suits you.

                  I’m sure you understand that the reason things are manufactured in China, rather than elsewhere, is because they have comparative advantages to other countries–even counties with similar pay scales.

                  No Ken. They have most favored nation trade status. They also are the beneficiaries of enormous government subsidies. You are just pretending that those thing are not true. Just because a result is the result of “the market” as you see it doesn’t mean it is the most efficient result. Governments intervene and distort things. And that is what China is doing here.

                  And you completely ignore the downsides of doing this. We are funding the worst police state in the world and a military that threatens every free nation in Asia. Even if everything you were saying were true, and it is not, your position is that it is okay to fund an aggressive and evil nation and enable it to oppress its own people and threaten its neighbors and the US itself if that is the price of you paying a little less for your consumer goods.

                  You are such a narrow minded fanatic, you have convinced yourself that that isn’t foolish.

                  1. “That is hardly a fact at all. What evidence is there that China provides uniquely cheap products? There isn’t.”

                    The U.S. imported $452,243,400,000 worth of goods from China in 2019.

                    https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2019

                    The reason American consumers bought those goods–in each and every purchase–was because they thought buying them was in their best interest given the quality and the low price. In fact, China trades primarily on offering lower prices than competitors in other countries.

                    The reason other countries didn’t sell $452,243,400,000 worth of goods to those American consumers isn’t because they don’t want all that money flowing into their economies and their countries. It’s because they can’t compete on quality and price with exporters from China.

                    This is all based on facts.

                    The idea that other countries aren’t competitive with China because they don’t want to be competitive with China is fantasy. The idea that other countries could or would compete with China on price if China were suddenly no longer allowed to sell goods in the United States is also a fantasy. The fact is that competitors from outside China would be competitive with China and displace that trade to American consumers if they could, but they can’t so they don’t.

                    1. No, Ken, the fact is we traded with them. That doesn’t mean there is something unique about China. What it means is that China because of its use of slave labor and being the only low wage country with access to most favored nation trade status is able to sell things cheaper. That fact doesn’t mean that other countries wouldn’t be able to match that if they were given most favored nation trade status. Now they couldn’t match the slave labor advantage, but you don’t have a right to fund the slavery of other people. That is a violation of theNAP.

                      You just ignored my points Ken. Do you not understand them or are you just so pig headed you refuse to accept them even though you don’t have a response?

                    2. ” In fact, China trades primarily on offering lower prices than competitors in other countries.”

                      Due to such un free market actions as Theft, Slave Labor, employee harm, etc.

                      Let me break down your ethos as I have prior…

                      Is it it wrong for the government to outlaw the Mob from selling stolen goods? Based on the theory you back here, it is wrong for the government to not allow the sale of stolen goods because some consumers would buy a good at a cheaper price.

                      You’re intentionally ignoring negative externalities. This is the same sophistry that ABC, Brandy, and others have passed off as market logic. You can not exclude negative actions and focus only on your benefit. That is what you are doing. You are violating the NAP indirectly.

                    3. “Due to such un free market actions as Theft, Slave Labor, employee harm, etc.”

                      There has never been a time in history when more people were pulled out of poverty more quickly than over the past 20 years in China.

                      Hundreds of millions of people have made it from subsistence peasantry to what passes for a middle class in that part of the world, and it wasn’t because of slave labor. It’s because their labor was reasonably well-educated and inexpensive.

                      From the 90s on, peasants from the countryside flooded into industrial areas because they were eager for those factory jobs, and if they lost those jobs, they’d be mighty upset about it.

                      Meanwhile, if anything is good for the working conditions of average Chinese factory workers, it’s selling their brands to American consumers. This American Life was once the victim of a hoax story about Foxconn (who manufactures for Apple among others).

                      https://www.thisamericanlife.org/460/retraction

                      Apple and other companies do a lot to ensure their subcontractors follow certain labor codes–because American consumers don’t want to buy products made with slave labor. If you really care about labor standards in China, cutting off imports to the U.S. might be the worst thing for them.

              3. “And the down side of trading with China is that it makes China and its government wealthier too. And they use that wealth to fund the largest and one of the most oppressive police states in the world and to build a military that they plan to use to bully and subjugate the free nations around them.”

                I thought I already addressed that above.

                If you would rather not shop at Walmart because you care more about the people of Hong Kong than you do about your own and your family’s standard of living, then you should be free to do so.

                If other people do not share your qualitative preference for the people of Hong Kong or Xinjiang over your own and your family’s standard of living, that gives you absolutely zero right to use the coercive power of government to inflict your qualitative preferences on other people who don’t share them.

                This is what separates us from progressive elitists. Don’t you see that?

                1. I thought I already addressed that above.

                  If you would rather not shop at Walmart because you care more about the people of Hong Kong than you do about your own and your family’s standard of living, then you should be free to do so.

                  Hey Ken, if you don’t like me selling zyclon B to the Nazis to murder people, that is your right but how dare you stop me. Sure, Ken lets just sell them the rope that China needs to hang us and enslave us because you need your “standard of living” as if you could never buy anything not made in China or that the marginal benefit of a few percent is life or death.

                  You seen to have no moral compass of values beyond some crude material standard of wealth. If it makes you wealthy it is automatically good and the second order effects of your obtaining that wealth and the harm it does to others mean nothing. So, you will buy your goods from China because your wealth and your interests are all that matter. The people that China uses that profit to murder and oppress simply do not matter to you. It means nothing. All that matters is your pursuit of extra wealth and material good no matter how small.

                  Do you understand how depraved that is?

                  1. “Hey Ken, if you don’t like me selling zyclon B to the Nazis to murder people, that is your right but how dare you stop me.”

                    We’re not talking about selling Zyclon-B to Nazis.

                    We’re talking about American consumers buying air-fryers and TVs.

                    Meanwhile, the argument isn’t about you condemning the morals of people who support the CCP by purchasing air-fryers and TVs. What you’re talking about refusing to let American consumers make choices for themselves. If you want to persuade your fellow Americans to refuse to buy exports from China on moral grounds, be my guest. I might even join in. If you want to use the coercive power of government to inflict your qualitative preferences on other people, you’ve gone too far.

                    If people want to avoid the use of fossil fuels because they’re concerned about global warming, that’s just fine with me. It’s when they use the government to inflict their qualitative preferences on me with the Green New Deal that we have a problem.

                    1. We’re not talking about selling Zyclon-B to Nazis.

                      Yes we are. We are talking about whether the results of your trade can ever be taken into account. If it can with Zyclon B, it can with other things as well. You are arguing principle here. And if the principle applies to cheap shit from China that funds their murdering of their own people it applies to Zyclon B the same way.

                      Meanwhile, the argument isn’t about you condemning the morals of people who support the CCP by purchasing air-fryers and TVs. What you’re talking about refusing to let American consumers make choices for themselves.

                      YEs I am. Just like you are saying telling people they can’t sell the Nazis zyclon B they can’t make their choices. You are just begging the question here Ken. Sorry but your not liking it doesn’t mean it isn’t a choice.

                      So either admit that it is totally okay to sell gas that is used to murder millions or admit that your trade with China funding their military and police state might make your trade with China a bad thing and something that can be stopped. It is one or the other.

                      You are so dishonest in your arguments here. You appeal to principle to avoid answering to the harm caused by trade with China and then when that principle is applied to Xyclon B, you suddenly drop the principle and start arguing circumstance. I don’t think you are dishonest per say. You just don’t understand what an honest argument is. All you know is the result you want and that you want your preferences rationalized. The means really doesn’t matter to you.

                    2. “We’re not talking about selling Zyclon-B to Nazis.

                      We’re talking about American consumers buying air-fryers and TVs.”

                      So you do believe in some market controls by government, you just refuse to admit it while defending China.

                    3. This is like people knocking the First Amendment because it allows “religions” like Scientology to operate.

                      This is like going after the First Amendment because some people use freedom of association to discriminate against LGBTQI+.

                      This is like going after the First Amendment because it lets neo-Nazis distribute racist and hate filled tracts.

                      Yeah, despite all that, I support the right of individuals to choose their own religion, choose with whom to associate, and choose to print what they want anyway.

                      I also support the right of people who’ve never pointed a gun at anyone, much less shot anybody, to own and carry guns–even if some people use guns in armed robberies and mass shootings.

                      The idea that Americans should be free to buy whatever air-fryer they want despite whatever atrocity the CCP has perpetrated lately is consistent with that. In fact, it’s consistent with and essential to libertarianism.

                    4. “So you do believe in some market controls by government, you just refuse to admit it while defending China.”

                      In a case like Zyklon-B, I’m not sure we’re talking about market controls so much as we’re talking about a crime and about treason.

                      If you know what the Nazi government is doing with that chemical, and you willfully sell it to them anyway, then you’re an accessory or you’re an accomplice.

                      If you’re willfully aiding and abetting the enemy in wartime, you’re also probably guilty of treason.

                      That isn’t like shopping for an air-fryer at Walmart at all. Shopping for an air-fryer at Walmart isn’t being a willing accomplice to a crime or treason.

            3. “Trade with China is an enormous source of wealth for the American people and raises their standard of living higher than it would be without that trade.”

              How much has the national debt risen since we gave China most favored nation status?

  36. In addition, the agency’s “best estimate” is that 0.4 percent of people with COVID-19 systems will die.

    How does this compare with people with Microsoft Windows 10 systems?…

    1. I’m already dead…

      1. BTW, I thought it would have been impossible to produce a buggier, less-stable OS than Vista. I was wrong.

        1. Somebody forgot about Windows Millennium Edition…

      2. You’re not dead.

        You are just in suspended animation while the machines use your body energy for power.

    2. It’s not life, at least not as we know it…

  37. Study: Sweden’s “herd immunity” strategy isn’t panning out.

    Sure, their economy isn’t completely trashed but what good is that now that everyone is dead?

  38. > “We’re not going to close the country.”

    Who the fuck is “we”? The Federal government NEVER closed the country! Individual states, counties, and cities may have issued shelter-in-place orders, and in many cases overstepped the bounds of their authority, but in no way shape or form did “we” close the country”. The President does not have the authority to tell a state not to do something within the state’s authority. It’s not the President’s decision to make.

    I say this coming from a state that needs to seriously consider the process of opening up now, rather than it’s indefinite “we’ll get around to it sometime maybe” policy. But that still does NOT mean the president gets to decide. At best his Attorney General could start a process that may eventually head to the Supreme Court, but the idea that every public health decision stops at his desk is to fucking wrong it boggles the mind.

    1. Calm down Karen.

      1. Karen must have his tyranny, bc Trump’s so icky

    2. Less than a month ago you said Government wasn’t forcing anything, people were voluntarily taking the “strong suggestions” from government. Were you lying or ignorant?

    3. I think there is an argument that the feds could. I think many liberals would agree if Obama was still president. Viruses are contained within state borders. The CDC is a fed agency. Not that I think the feds should. I think it was good for Trump to let the states take the lead. This does not need a one size fits all solution.

      1. “”Viruses are contained within state borders.””

        Not contained.

  39. https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1263833728482258948

    HEY – BEFORE YOU DOWNLOAD THE NEW APPLE OPERATING SYSTEM (13.5) READ THIS: YOUR PHONE WILL BECOME AN AUTOMATED CONTACT TRACER. (Yes, you have to opt in. Once.)

    1. https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1263849023250759685

      As for the promises from Apple and Google that their contact tracing information will only be available to public health authorities? Said authorities already share positive #COVID test results with police (hard to believe HIPAA allows this, but it must).

      1. This surveillance stuff is bullshit, but the fact is that we signed off on it a long time ago when the Patriot Act and its descendants were passed. Short of someone coming in an dismantling the whole thing, or a complete social collapse, it’s not going away.

        Best way for people to manage this and keep whatever slivers of their privacy are left, is to leave the smartphone at home (or, don’t buy one of the fucking things in the first place), buy a flip phone if one really must take one with them on the go for potential emergencies, and learn how to read a road atlas and plan trips out ahead of time like people did for decades before GPS.

        1. You can have it both ways. You just need a decent Faraday bag for the phone. It’s easier than removing the battery, assuming you have one of the ever less common models of phone which allow it.

  40. Also, Sweden’s approach to the crisis cannot be ruled a failure until we look at the final numbers. What percentage of Swedes contracted the virus, and what psercentage of them died? Until we get that number we cannot shame them for their lack of authoritarian impulse.

    Despite the headlines, they don’t have the highest death count per capita. The study is looking at a rolling seven day average, and only one week of that average in the middle of the pandemic. So yeah they have peak! Duh! The question is whether their total numbers at the end of the crisis is the same or lower than other similar nations.

    1. The study says that only 7% of the population has gotten the virus. When a rational person looks at that they think “hey, they didn’t do a lock down and the virus only spread to 7% of the population”.

      Somehow that reasonable conclusion has become “the lockdown didn’t work because very few people actually got the virus.” Think about how fucking crazy and irrational that is.

      1. Yeah, but the other 93% doesn’t have antibodies because they’re all dead.

  41. Damn, there goes that fetish.

    Scientists say coronavirus can spread through ‘aerosolized feces’
    https://nypost.com/2020/04/03/scientists-say-covid-19-can-come-from-aerosolized-feces/

    1. Can- Sure, once the virus is in your system enough it’ll be kinda everywhere. So I’m sure a lot of methods of spread are possible.

      Likely enough to worry about it? This is the question that matters and seems to get lost.

    2. San Francisco hardest hit.

      Apparently their herd feces immunity strategy isn’t working out.

  42. Denver health department officer with massive power boner tries to close a 2-state *federal* mail processing facility:

    https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/next/denver-public-health-orders-a-closure-of-facility-that-handles-all-mail-for-colorado-and-wyoming/73-6d22b731-8092-43e3-aeee-f37e69f6da0e

    Feds laugh at her: “This is a federal facility. It’s protected by federal law enforcement officers…It will not be shut down.”

    Has the potential for massive lulz. I’m hoping she tries to chain the gates.

  43. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/covid-19-data-sharing-law-enforcement-sparks-concern-70758034
    NASHVILLE, Tenn. — More than 11 million people have been tested in the U.S. for COVID-19, all with the assurance that their private medical information would remain protected and undisclosed.

    Yet, public officials in at least two-thirds of states are sharing the addresses of people who tested positive with first responders — from police officers to firefighters to EMTs. An Associated Press review found that at least 10 of those states also share the patients’ names.

    First responders argue the information is vital to helping them take extra precautions to avoid contracting and spreading the coronavirus.

    But civil liberty and community activists have expressed concerns of potential profiling in African-American and Hispanic communities that already have an uneasy relationship with law enforcement. Some envision the data being forwarded to immigration officials.

    “The information could actually have a chilling effect that keeps those already distrustful of the government from taking the COVID-19 test and possibly accelerate the spread of the disease,” the Tennessee Black Caucus said in a statement.

  44. The Biden campaign has allegedly asked Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D–Minn.) to undergo vetting as a potential running mate.

    Great, now when he loses all the smug lefties can blame america for not being ‘ready for a woman’

  45. For months now, Trump has been acting like he has the authority to make this call. But the law is clear on this: Whether businesses can open—and what precautions people must take to use them—rests with state and local leaders.

    And of course, what matters most, is what “the law” says.

    Fuck your “leaders” and “authority”.

  46. The Biden campaign has allegedly asked Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D–Minn.) to undergo vetting as a potential running mate.

    Toldyaso.

  47. workers switching from San Francisco to lower-cost-of-living locales may have to take a pay cut

    Why is this a thing at Facebook? This is what the government does.

  48. I agree that Trump doesn’t have the power to tell businesses they must open, and probably can’t do much about governors’ orders.
    But I sure hope he’s right about not closing the country.

    1. Pretty sure POTUS has the scope to come down on and prevent governors from depriving citizens of their civil rights

      1. ENB disagrees. Cuz Orange Man Bad.

  49. Study: Sweden’s “herd immunity” strategy isn’t panning out.

    Again ‘herd immunity’ is a state, not a strategy. It’s like saying Obama’s ‘black ethnicity’ strategy isn’t panning out. Whether the strategy works or not he’ll still be black, he can’t avoid it.

    Moreover, lacking a vaccine, developing immunity naturally is the only option besides extinction. Both “herds” will develop herd immunity (if they haven’t already) the real open question is “How much did or will it cost them?”

    1. Sweden has half the population of New York. New York has 360,000 cases and 23,000 deaths. Sweden has 33,000 with 4,000 deaths. I would have to say Sweden is doing a lot better. The US has 5,000 cases per 1 million and Sweden has 3,200 per one million. We shutdown and they didn’t. Both countries are now declining.

  50. Whether businesses can open—and what precautions people must take to use them—rests with state and local leaders.

    Apparently our fake libertarian lipstick lesbian hasn’t been paying much attention to the legal rulings lately.

  51. You can’t claim that Sweden’s strategy isn’t working simply by looking at current Covid 19 death rates. That’s incredibly disingenuous.

  52. The media gets riled because the President said we will not shutdown the country again arguing he does not have that authority. What the President actually said was instead of shutting down the country again testing and tracing will be used to put out any fires that try to start. He does have the authority to do that. The media’s argument is ridiculous because they take what he said out of context. I guess saying the President said we will keep coronavirus from spiking so we don’t have to close down again would not make a good headline.

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