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Will COVID-19 Help Americans Break the Habit of Deferring to Centralized Authority?

We may find that we like making our own decisions.

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American government-level responses to the COVID-19 pandemic predictably divide along partisan lines. That's meant a lot of televised sniping between Republicans and Democrats, as well as competing narcissistic windbaggery from President Donald Trump and New York's Gov. Andrew Cuomo. It has also meant a revival of the tension between dispersed decision-making and concentrated authority. With Americans pulling away from each other into opposing camps, the time is ripe for breaking centralized control over our lives.

This week, the Democratic governors of Connecticut, Delaware, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, and Rhode Island announced the creation of a "multi-state council" intended "to develop a fully integrated regional framework to gradually lift the states' stay at home orders while minimizing the risk of increased spread of the virus."

Simultaneously, the governors of California, Oregon, and Washington – also all Democrats – proclaimed a "Western States Pact" based on "a shared vision for reopening their economies and controlling COVID-19 into the future."

Both groupings emphasize public health considerations over restarting the lockdown-crippled economy. They object to the president's push for reopening businesses and getting Americans back to work.

In response, Trump insisted that he has "total authority" over decisions about when life should get back to normal. That's a patently false claim that he had to walk back. We may be accustomed to the federal government exercising near-absolute power, but the Constitution reserves most tasks for the states, no matter what they've willingly surrendered over the years.

The battle we're watching isn't a principled dispute over federalism and the Constitution. Nothing converts Democrats into fans of state power like Republican control of the White House, and it's exactly that control that makes Republicans into cheerleaders for the federal government. Their positions will reverse just as soon as the major parties' fortunes do. Given the deep partisan polarization in the U.S., which has seen Republicans and Democrats come to not just oppose but actually hate each other, change in control of Congress or the White House is just a recipe for flipping the script. Republicans and Democrats may trade places, but half the country will continue to resist whatever is happening in Washington, D.C.

This also isn't a contest between heroes and villains.

Trump is right to worry about the implications of a national suspension of economic activity to slow the spread of COVID-19. But he's also turned televised pandemic briefings into opportunities to rant about his political enemies and berate members of the press. And, under his watch, the federal government hijacks shipments of medical supplies ordered by hospitals.

Likewise, governors justifiably fret over the pandemic's lethal impact on densely populated urban areas in their states. But Cuomo's threat to send the National Guard to steal ventilators from upstate hospitals looked very much like an exercise in rewarding the New York City residents who vote for him at the expense of voters elsewhere who don't. And many of the restrictions imposed by state officials responding to COVID-19 are nothing less than intrusive and bizarre.

Besides, if Trump lacks the authority to open and close the economy at will, it's not clear that governors possess it, either.

"Americans should know that ample legal precedents suggest that most shelter in place orders are unlawful and unconstitutional," Robert E. Wright, professor of political economy at Augustana University, wrote for the American Institute for Economic Research. He points to a history of quarantine orders much more limited in scope than what we've seen this year.

But if we're going to have bad policy, better to have it imposed at the state and local level than by the feds. Then, it can be compared to differing approaches elsewhere. It can also be evaded if necessary, the way Pennsylvanians poured across the state line to make purchases in neighboring communities after their government monopoly liquor stores closed as part of the pandemic response.

Truthfully, governors rediscovering the pleasures of state power likely have more on their minds than the "laboratories of democracy" that U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis described in his discussion of federalism and policy experiments. The partisan divide built into the revolt of the coastal states' alliances against federal power makes their efforts look like yet another salvo in the increasingly nasty political warfare that has engulfed the country in recent years.

Gov. Gavin Newsom, for his part, has the habit of referring to California as a "nation-state." That raises questions about just how far he plans to take his assertion of independence from federal policy set by Trump and Republicans.

But if Newsom and company have learned to enjoy going their own way, they might want to remember that it doesn't have to stop at the state level. Protests against strict lockdown rules in Michigan, North Carolina, and Ohio make it clear that shifting power from the federal governments to the states doesn't eliminate disagreement and resistance. Officials in some placesincluding county sheriffs in Idaho and Michiganrefuse to enforce at least parts of state stay-at-home orders that they consider unconstitutional and violations of civil liberties.

"In the spirit of liberty and the Constitution, you can request those of us that are sick to stay home, but, at the same time, you must release the rest of us to go on with our normal business," Sheriff Daryl Wheeler of Idaho's Bonner County wrote to Idaho Gov. Brad Little.

If states dissent from federal policy and try to pursue a different approach, localities certainly feel justified in doing the same. And if local policies rub individuals the wrong way, you can expect plenty of people to insist on making their own decisions for themselves.

And why not? Decentralized decision-making doesn't guarantee better results than the centralized kind, but it affects and offends fewer people. It allows greater respect for people's varying circumstances and their different tolerances for risk.

Of course, the same can be said about all sorts of decisions that are traditionally left to the powers-that-be to impose one-size-fits-all mandates that end up fitting very few. If we can break the habit of deferring to centralized authority, we may find that we like making our own choices.

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  1. >>>we may find that we like making our own choices.

    i love this, but dude have you spoken to any humans in the last month?

    1. Exactly. We have millions of Twits insisting that our government save us from the millions of deaths that models showed us.

      The real test will be the end of this nonsense. Will people really go back out into the sunlight and buy the narrative that shanking the economy saved us all, or will they feel foolish and angry at the government that sold them a bunch of crisis porn?

      1. >>> insisting that our government save us …

        several friends I previously believed to be men

      2. Average humans just aren’t very smart and they are easily lead astray.

        1. A “person” is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals …….
          Wisdom from K in Men In Black

      3. Fortunately there will be counter examples, such as Sweden. Hopefully we’ll get honest, in-depth comparisons between their approach and our own. People will be able to weigh costs and benefits and then decide what they will tolerate next time.

        1. “Fortunately there will be counter examples, such as Sweden. ”

          You see, Some_guy, Sweden has a first rate health care system, not the Lord of the Flies Darwinian nonsense that we have here in the US. Additionally, their population tends to skew healthier than the US, and their people just naturally tend to be better at voluntary social distancing than your average unruly american. Once you factor in these key differences, our models show that for every Swede who died, there would have been 100,000 Americans who would have died had we done the same thing.

          1. For a minute, I thought this was serious…

          2. Sweden is great. Its per capita death toll is 20% higher than the US and 10 times higher than neighboring Finland. Excellent example. America should kill off more people.

            1. Do you know what 20% of a small number is?

              1. Hey, there were two deaths today! A 100% increase!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                JFree should hire this guy to come up with bullshit ‘data’, like JFree’s claim the flu was ‘the second greatest cause of death’!!!!!
                By a factor of 2.
                Goddam lefty liars.

              2. “Do you know what 20% of a small number is?”

                Sm?

                1. 20%
                  Dammit
                  Was thinking 40%
                  Ok, so just s?

      4. The nation, at least the intelligent parts, will deride (rightly so) all the over done crapola to “protect” us from this disease. Do we really want cops militating this problem?!!? Cops are genetically fascist, and see only one way as the right way, that way being theirs, right or wrong. A better way would be to look at past pandemics and make sure citizens have what they need for safety BEFORE things happen. And, yes, this will be difficult, and may not always work, but it would beat the sh*t out of turning police into fascist bully boys (as if they weren’t already that much of the time.

    2. I’d like to think that people would discover that they like making their own choices. But I think most actually prefer forcing other people not to make what they consider bad choices.
      I’m having a real hard time being optimistic about this. I fear it’s only gong to make people more dependent and more comfortable with government telling them what to do.

      1. >> prefer forcing other people not to make what they consider bad choices.

        also the scolding. fuckers looooove the scolding


      2. “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”

        I think this quote applies. They’ll never be done, because it’s for our own good.

        1. I think that just about says it all. C.S. Lewis was a brilliant thinker.

          C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

      3. Right, let’s be honest here: Other than training our politicians that citizens will willingly become prisoners of the state at the sound of a cough, there isn’t going to be any actual damage to 70% of our country.

        Those people will get out of lock down, slap each other on the back, and cheer their #alonetogether victory. They will also sneer at the 30% of the country that is upset about losing their jobs, businesses and houses.

        Don’t they understand that we ALL had to make sacrifices? Some people had to spend weeks cooking their own meal or eating somewhat cold food when that fucking PostMates guy delivered somewhere else before coming to their house.

        1. “Don’t they understand that we ALL had to make sacrifices?”

          The morning woodchipper guy mentioned earlier today that you have top shop Whole Foods to find meat.
          Oh, the sacrifices!

        2. That 70/30 split might be a bit optimistic

    3. Are you accusing him of being some kind of Chris Cuomo? The media aren’t some kind of monolith, or it would be “the medium”.

      1. i wouldn’t even accuse Chris Cuomo of being Chris Cuomo that’s just mean

        1. I hear he likes to be called Fredo?

    4. Guessing by my FB feed, no way will it lead to individual decisions. I see a lot of the feds need to do more.

  2. If the Covid-19 hysteria (Wang Chung-Flu for the layperson) has show us anything at all is that the anti-government shills will continue to support narcissistic tendencies!

    1. Naah. It shows lefty fucking ignoramuses continue to spout bullshit and lies. Fuck off and die; make the world a better place.

      1. I have a better idea you pathetic piece of shit. Why don’t you go find the tallest bridge you can find and jump off! I’m sure there’s one nearby where you camp out every night.

        1. Poor fucking lefty ignoramuses REALLY resent being called on their bullshit and assholery, don’t they, fucking lefty ignoramus?

          1. You’re foaming at the mouth. Did you miss your rabies shot?

      2. Second, I’ve been suggesting those options are forced for the progs the several years. How much freedom is everyone willing to sacrifice just to tolerate their continued presence in America?

    2. Get up off of your damn knees.

      1. Let me rephrase that. Some antigovernment shills. Like the usual Trump buttplugs that comment here!

        1. “…Some antigovernment shills…”

          Are you still hoping daddy will come along and save you? What are you, 35-going-on-10?
          Grow up.

        2. I would like to interrupt this trash talking to ask what the hell you think you mean.

          What is an Antigovernment shill? I’ve seen people who shill for a company. People who shill for Unions. People who shill for a politician. Because a shill is someone who acts like a dis-interested 3rd party who has suddenly realized that [whatever they shill for] is the coolest thing ever, as part of a con.

          But how does one shill for antigovernment? Like, it is the non existence of something. You could shill for a revolutionary army, or for an organization that opposes the government. But you cannot shill for an idea. And, further, how exactly can someone be a Trumpaloo AND ALSO be shilling for antigovernment?

          It is one of the most incoherent things I have read on this site today, and that is counting all the shit posting from the Sevo brigade.

          1. I’ve got a BRIGADE?

            1. Binders full of brigades.

          2. BTW, Overt, I appreciate your ‘taking the high road’ as it were, but this is some brain-dead lefty who, assuming he’s read any 20th century history at all, still thinks the government is here to help him.
            Good luck. I doubt that sort of stupidity or wilful ignorance is amenable to your efforts.

      2. He can’t. He cut them off at the same time he self-castrated.

    3. Selfishness is a virtue.

  3. Decentralized decision-making doesn’t guarantee better results than the centralized kind, but it affects and offends fewer people.

    Don’t you understand Tuccille? In order to maximize the protection of *inaudible mumbling* we must use the power of the state to mercilessly stomp on protect others from themselves. My neighbor can’t be trusted to do what I want him to do so it’s much better for everyone if the man with a gun comes and makes him do it.

    1. Getting someone else to do it is the difference between civilization and barbarity.

  4. The governor of Michigan hopes we start deferring to decentralized authority.

    1. Let’s hope all you Tea Party morons start spreading the virus amongst yourselves with your ridiculous and self-indulgent protests.

      1. nobody said you had to come out from under your bed.

        1. The boogey man chased him.

        2. What kind of problem should I have with a.) lots of free time with my kids and b.) getting food delivered to my house. OK, a. is a pain in the ass, I’ll admit.

          1. Acting like an adult seems to take more than you got.

          2. Your house? Have you started paying the mortgage?

          3. lots of free time with my kids and …… a pain in the ass, I’ll admit.
            Yeah that’s the problem with you Nambla guys.

          4. In reality, American Socialists, there are many small business people in quite a dark place because of all of this.

            Waiters, waitresses, movie theaters, event planners, venues, etc, all the small businesses that depend on large events, group meetings in person, transportation, etc. Those jobs are lost. Some are never coming back. Not to mention the dead and dying.

            This is a man made disaster, and it’s all because our inept government was flat-footed in response. Now, more than ever, we need strong public health, UBI, mandatory test/vaccinations, and a Green New Deal to provide jobs and save the environment.

            1. “Now, more than ever, we need strong public health, UBI, mandatory test/vaccinations, and a Green New Deal to provide jobs and save the environment.”
              You.
              Are.
              Full.
              Of.
              Shit.
              Fuck off and die, slaver.

            2. The government made the people (metaphorically) sick, so we need government more now than ever.

              Totes smart.

              Leftism: munchausen by proxy as political practice

          5. You don’t own a house. You didn’t lay your mortgage and your house got foreclosed.

            You should really commit suicide.

          6. Who let you adopt children?

      2. Statistically speaking, even if we we’re infected (and the government only presumes that we are), we’ll be just fine.

        1. Yup. And then all us “tea party morons” will have immunity and can get on with life.

          1. You hicks still need to present your immunity papers when traveling.

            1. “You hicks still need to present your immunity papers when traveling.”

              You assholes need padded knee-caps.

    2. I don’t think I would shed a tear if the governor of Michigan were to be face fucked with a mace.

  5. You know what sucks about centralized authority? When it lies to the American people because of politics. This is just like China where they have been cooking the COVID books for years now.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/health/us-coronavirus-death-count-cdc-explainer/index.html

    1. Ah yes! That must be why there aren’t corpse wagons patrolling the streets telling people to bring out their dead. It’s all the SECRET deaths. We will leave it to the reader to imagine how many SECRET COVID DEATHS there could possibly be. Never you mind the number of actually secret COVID-19 infections you’ll never hear about because the person recovered without seeking medical attention. Lets only focus on the numerator so we can make the black death look as contagious and deadly as the macarena in comparison.

      1. Come on, I’m kidding… the US government never lies to its people. Only commie governments in China lie. The reason why there are 600,000 infections in the US and 80,000 infections in China isn’t because China can actually get their shit together and is ruled by people who are actually competent. Its because the Chinese government lies and Trump is the great truth-teller.

        1. Hey, dig deeper! We know you have the market cornered on stoooopid!

        2. I’m sorry, but Trump lies. Bush lies.

          I understand the sentiment, but let’s keep the facts straight.

          1. “I understand the sentiment, but let’s keep the facts straight.”

            I’m sure you would ‘understand’ and ignore that lefty shitbags lie also.

          2. Now do Obama and Clinton. Prove you’re actually objective. You totes are objective, right?

        3. No one should ever listen to Donald Trump. The man says whatever makes him look best from moment to moment, whether it’s a lie or the truth doesn’t matter in the slightest and he has nothing to do with any of this since he didn’t create the lockdown and he can’t remove it.

          But let’s focus on some real hard facts for a second. Let’s talk about all these supposed secret COVID-19 deaths. Not in China but here in the US. How many people have died from coronavirus that aren’t being reports as dying from coronavirus. And don’t give me some “we just don’t know, that’s the trick!” bullshit or “look at this example of one person who coughed a lot and then died but they called it a heart attack” anecdotes. This is a country of 350 million people. Anything you name I can give you an example of right down to people who tap dance on top of biplanes while wearing yellow underwear on a Tuesday. I want to talk about the nation as a whole. Give an estimate. A percentage or a number will do. Just go ahead and give and estimate and show your work for how you arrived at that number.

          If you can even manage 1% I’d eat my hat.

    2. And he uses CNN as a source! Keep going, commie-kid; show us the depths of stoooopid!

        1. Oh, goody! Now we get a conspiracy whacko and homeopath as a source! You’re really digging deep now, scumbag!

          1. Is there a right-wing news source that isn’t hawking conspiracy theories or providing quack homeopathic remedies? I’d be interested in that!

            1. Is there a left wing media source that isn’t hawking this as worse than the black death?

            2. American Socialist
              April.17.2020 at 2:07 pm
              “Is there a right-wing news source that isn’t hawking conspiracy theories or providing quack homeopathic remedies? I’d be interested in that!”

              Dunno, but there’s no way anything other than lefty propaganda would be of interest to you.
              Dealing with adults might mean you’d have to grow up.

              1. “Dunno”

                It’s about time you started being honest with yourself! I was starting to believe there was no hope for you dipshit.

                1. “It’s about time you started being honest with yourself! I was starting to believe there was no hope for you dipshit.”

                  I never expect a lying piece of lefty shit like you to be honest about anything.
                  Fuck off and die, slaver.

              2. Better he just dies.

            3. Is there a left-wing news source that isn’t hawking statism and/or marxism? Most of your ilk now figuratively worship at the feet of Derida. You should be ashamed of your folly, were you not blind to it.

  6. I doubt it. We Americans are obsessed with the Republican/Democrat dichotomy and nothing can seem to shake us out of it.

  7. //”Americans should know that ample legal precedents suggest that most shelter in place orders are unlawful and unconstitutional,” Robert E. Wright, professor of political economy at Augustana University, wrote for the American Institute for Economic Research. He points to a history of quarantine orders much more limited in scope than what we’ve seen this year.//

    Yes, they should. But, they don’t. Civics is an afterthought, and is rarely a serious subject in public education, or even higher education. Take a look around. Socialism is a serious political contender these days. Millions of Americans ***want*** their “free” shit, they want to be coddled and provided for, and they are perfectly willing to sacrifice what few rights they have left to ensure some nominal degree of “safety.”

    Americans should know a lot of things that they do not.

    1. Short! Unlawful!

      With that and a dollar, you can go get a cookie at Publix!

      sure, if you hire a lawyer for three or four hundred bucks chances are pretty good that he’ll get the $500 ticket dismissed.

  8. //Given the deep partisan polarization in the U.S., which has seen Republicans and Democrats come to not just oppose but actually hate each other, change in control of Congress or the White House is just a recipe for flipping the script. //

    Should people really be required to love one another? For all of the flaws that Republicans can rightly be criticized for, the Democrats have actively adopted outright socialism as their platform. And, yes, I hate socialists.

    We’ve had a good run. But I see no reason why there needs to be a reconciliation between people that are interested in maintaining a constitutional republic and those that are salivating for a totalitarian, socialist state. Irreconcilable differences can, and do, exist.

    1. Required, no. But people should be decent to one another as they can be. I hate socialism, but I can’t say I hate socialists (much to my chagrin, some of my best friends thought Bernie was a good idea).

    2. Amusingly, died-in-the-wool actual Communists are just as capable of being empathetic wonderful people to each other. Then, when you stop working, you’ll be kindly asked to leave.

      The working part seems to be what American Socialists have a problem with. They don’t want to do it. Could you just mail them a check, please?

      Of course, when I’m talking about Communists I mean the people who actually go out and live on a commune and work the farm. Not the 35 year old child living off a trust fund banging out screeds on Medium.

  9. Wishful thinking. There’s still far too many jackboot lickers begging to be told what to do.

  10. Decent article from Amanda Marcotte.

    Michigan manbaby protest: Wait, we thought conservatives were “rugged individuals”
    Who’d a thunk it? Right-wingers are a bunch of spoiled brats who start whining over the slightest inconvenience

    AMANDA MARCOTTE
    APRIL 16, 2020 6:40PM (UTC)
    On Wednesday, a crowd of right-wing nuts — complete with their oversized but underworked utility vehicles, Confederate flags, guns and other such overcompensation accoutrements — descended on the State Capitol in Lansing, Michigan, to whine about the temporary pause to dinners at Applebee’s and accidental brushfires at gender-reveal parties. The deep fear of emasculation driving the protest was not particularly subtle at this protest, as the crowd chanted “Lock her up” at Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat who is accused of no other crime other than making deeply insecure men fuss about a woman in power.

    The ostensible purpose of the protests was to pressure Whitmer to relax some of the restrictions on businesses and movement under the coronavirus lockdown. In reality, of course, this is happening because a bunch of Fox News-loving Trump supporters have been poisoned by propaganda that has convinced them the coronavirus is overblown or a hoax, all being spread by the libs to destroy Trump’s chances at re-election.

    Well, that, and the fact that they’re a bunch of sexists who hate having a female governor, which goes a long way toward explaining why the Michigan protest was bigger than others in Ohio or North Carolina, whose governors are male.

    The immense Trump propaganda infrastructure is marshaling these folks for one simple reason: This crisis is Trump’s fault, and he desperately needs someone to blame for his failures, which have led to the spread of the virus and the collapse of the economy. So these numbskulls are being organized to protest the governors who are trying to clean up Trump’s mess, which is a little like protesting the doctors who are treating patients who got sick because Trump refused to do anything serious to limit the spread of the virus.

    Oh wait — they did that, too, by blocking ambulances trying to take patients to the hospital.

    The protest is incoherent. Everyone wants to reopen the economy, but the main reason we can’t is because Trump, in his incompetence and malice, has persistently refused to take steps to institute the widespread testing that’s necessary before lockdowns can be eased. If these conservatives want the economy to restart, they should stay home, stop watching Fox News and give money to any Democrats running for anything, because the only way this country can survive this is with competent leadership that’s willing to do what needs doing.

    That incoherence goes even deeper than the immediate idiocy of blaming the people who are trying to fix the problem instead of the orange menace in the White House who caused it. These protests also lay bare the larger incoherence of the right-wing mythology that conservatives are rugged individualists who are tougher and better prepared than those supposedly soft, effete liberals in the big cities.

    Right-wingers love to talk a big game about how tough they are, compared to the avocado-toast-eating class, but what Wednesday’s protest revealed was a bunch of spoiled brats ready to fall apart in the face of even the slightest inconvenience.

    Rosanne Ponkowski, one of the protest’s organizers, complained to the Daily Beast, “We can’t take our boats on the water if they have an engine” and added, “We can’t buy paint and go paint our house.”

    Other massive infringements on liberty: The inability to buy patio furniture, Legos or bug spray. It’s not easy to hire somebody to mow the lawn. You literally can’t make this stuff up.

    What is immediately clear is that these “rugged individuals” fall apart completely at the first sign of even the slightest hardship. For all the History Channel documentaries about World War II they might consume, they aren’t exactly the hard-bitten warriors they dream themselves to be. Instead, they’re a bunch of whiny babies who have spent their entire lives in the consumer bubble, and react to the prospect of giving up fishing for a few months as if their legs were being forcibly amputated.

    Turns out that these individuals are, in fact, highly dependent on the communities they live in, so much so that a few weeks of needing to curtail shopping and socializing has led to a total meltdown.

    The obvious truth here is that times are hard on everyone. That’s especially true for the 22 million Americans who’ve filed for unemployment, the more than 600,000 who are sick, and the families of the nearly 30,000 people who have died from this virus. But there’s plenty of room to feel compassion for the rest of us who are going stir-crazy, who are fighting with family members or who are suffering from social isolation.

    Hell, there’s nothing wrong with being grumpy that you can’t get your garden planted in time this year or that you can’t go fishing. People deserve pleasure, especially during a crisis when the small things are often what keep us going. State governments should certainly strive to write quarantine regulations that strike a balance between public heath needs and ordinary people’s desire to find joy in their daily lives.

    But it’s really rich for the self-proclaimed “rugged individuals” of America to be such big, whiny babies in the face of this.

    We’re forever hearing from right wingers how the rest of us need to toughen up a little. People on food stamps just need to “get a job,” even though most food assistance recipients already have one. If millennials can’t afford to buy houses, it’s because they’re over-indulged hipsters who eat too much avocado toast. (Reality: They’re trapped by soaring housing costs and saddled with too much student debt.) A woman who doesn’t want to be forced into childbirth should have just kept her legs shut.

    Right-wing America have little sympathy for millions of their fellow citizens who face real hardship, but an endless amount of self-pity because they have to skip a fishing trip. No wonder they love Trump, a man who can’t be bothered to care about Americans dying, but is in full-blown panic mode because he might not get re-elected.

    In reality, this pandemic has exposed how we’re all in this together and none of us are “rugged individuals.” We need those health care workers and grocery store employees and teachers. We are all dependent on each other, not just for the basic necessities of life, but the luxuries like boating and gardening. Right wingers have spent decades denying this fact, clinging to their Ayn Rand fantasies that they’re not dependent on the rest of us and are under no obligation to pay their taxes or by treating others with decency and compassion.

    But it turns out that conservatives are more dependent on the system that all the people they deplore as weak, so much so that a minor interruption in their daily life causes a full-blown temper tantrum like the one we witnessed in Michigan this week. More are coming, we can be sure of that.

    AMANDA MARCOTTE
    Amanda Marcotte is a politics writer for Salon who covers American politics, feminism and culture. Her new book, “Troll Nation: How The Right Became Trump-Worshipping Monsters Set On Rat-F*cking Liberals, America, and Truth Itself” is out now. She’s based out of Brooklyn and can be followed on Twitter @AmandaMarcotte.

    1. Is this ironic? Sarcastic?

      I lose track with all of the socks and faked accounts.

      1. “Is this ironic? Sarcastic?” Nope; commie-kid. Stupid will do just fine.

    2. If your opinion of a “decent article” is 10 paragraphs of strawmanning and name-calling, then you’re probably not a very deep thinker. Not reading stuff by dumbasses like Marcotte is a great first step in addressing that.

      1. Oy vey! Another Drumpf-supporting hick threatened by an intelligent, independent, and beautiful woman. #SAD

        1. Shes literally none of those.

        2. OY vey! Lefty fucking ignoramus posts lies.

    3. Man, I had forgotten what a disgusting twit that woman is.

      What a stupid twat. Even if you think all the restrictions are a good idea, this is still and unprecedented power assertion by many states, with no defined end point and essentially no accoutability (until election time). If you can’t understand why some people are rather upset about that, you really need to get out more.

    4. Yes worrying about the 22 million people who have lost their jobs, worrying about the 100,000 small businesses that have shut for good, worrying about the increase in suicides, domestic violence calls and violent crime that is being reported across the country is being selfish. No the selfish ones are the idiots so worried about their own health that they are forcing people not to be able to make their own decisions. That is really selfish.

      1. “…That is really selfish.”

        Add those like JFree who are more than willing to use the power of the government to lock YOU inside in the hopes THEY don’t get sick.
        Yep, ‘we’re all in this together’ so long as you do what those with the guns tell you to do.

        1. JFree should be tired from all those times he’s had to jump the shark recently. Nothing like a good panic to see how deeply held those beliefs in freedom are.

          1. He still shows up offering bullshit ‘data’ which say he really might be right if we give it a couple of years!
            I’m now convinced he *believes* it, and is not willing to give it up regardless of the data.

    5. In reality, of course, this is happening because a bunch of Fox News-loving Trump supporters have been poisoned by propaganda that has convinced them the coronavirus is overblown or a hoax, all being spread by the libs to destroy Trump’s chances at re-election.

      The crisis is overblown. a recent article by Jacob Sullum implies the death rate is far below the CFR by more than a factor of 10!

      But it turns out that conservatives are more dependent on the system that all the people they deplore as weak, so much so that a minor interruption in their daily life causes a full-blown temper tantrum like the one we witnessed in Michigan this week. More are coming, we can be sure of that.

      Khunt, it is the system that is locking down the economy in the first place!

      1. “……a minor interruption…….”

        Well gosh, if this bug is as serious as they say it is, clearly more major interruptions are called for! Let’s lock things down even more!

        Bitch.

    6. You can always count on Amanda Marcotte to give a good perspective.

      Unless the topic is Bernie Sanders. She hates Bernie Sanders.

      1. Earnesto Concernada
        April.17.2020 at 2:44 pm
        “You can always count on Amanda Marcotte to give a good perspective.”

        We can always count on Ernie for a pile of bullshit.

  11. “…In reality, this pandemic has exposed how we’re all in this together and none of us are “rugged individuals.”…”

    “AMANDA MARCOTTE
    Amanda Marcotte is a politics writer for Salon who covers American politics, feminism and culture.”

    Hitting on all cylinders today, scumbag.

    1. Amanda Marcotte is a politics writer for Salon who covers American politics, feminism and culture.”
      And was all in for Silky Pony John Edwards.

    1. I’ve been having trouble being succinct of late. This headline made it easy to break that trend.

  12. Amanda managed To get me to read a bit… And this caught my eye:

    “The immense Trump propaganda infrastructure is marshaling these folks”

    Immense propaganda infrastructure? Is she being serious about this?

    Does the Trump campaign have any sort of infrastructure at all? Is he plugged in with any national Grassroots efforts? I thought he was pretty much rolling his own with nothing more than Twitter and rallies.

    What makes her think this has anything much to do with Trump, other than the fact that a bunch of the people involved are also Trump supporters. I would think the identifying feature of the protesters would be that they are not Democrats and are not happy about their governor Banning things that have nothing at all to do with containing the virus.

    But I could be wrong about that. I’m not in Michigan. And I’m not plugged in with fake Grassroots efforts either, so maybe there are some that exist that I’m just not aware of.

    1. “…Immense propaganda infrastructure? Is she being serious about this?..”

      Not quite the side-splitter as “vast right-wing conspiracy!”, but getting up there!

    2. It’s got to be bullshit. Can she really not imagine that being told you can’t work or go anywhere is actually very threatening and upsetting to a lot of people? It’s fucking pathetic.

    3. The irony being that the entire vast propaganda machine we call the National Media are willing to say Trump eat’s babies if they think it’ll get him primaries or a Democrat elected.

      Willful rejection of reality in the American media space.

    4. “Does the Trump campaign have any sort of infrastructure at all? Is he plugged in with any national Grassroots efforts? I thought he was pretty much rolling his own with nothing more than Twitter and rallies.”

      The media frequently reported during the early part of the 2016 general election cycle (after Trump had the nomination) was how Trump’s campaign was insufficiently organized and staffed, and that it wasn’t properly coordinated with the RNC. Based in great part upon those observations, they predicted doom for his bid. As it turns out, not only did he use Twitter and rallies effectively, he manipulated the media itself into providing an astounding amount of free coverage, and therefore unintended advertising. It’s not yet clear what the campaign approach will be this time, but manipulating the media is likely to remain effective – they’re addicted to ratings.

      I’m no fan of Trump, but Marcotte has one of the common left-wing afflictions: Trump is an incompetent idiot…unless they need him to be masterfully shrewd in order to satisfy a narrative. So, in their view, Trump can be a buffoon when it comes to the virus response, but somehow simultaneously ingenious in implementing a propaganda infrastructure. This shouldn’t be too surprising, as the left has abandoned objectivity and empiricism as valid principles.

      1. “…Marcotte has one of the common left-wing afflictions: Trump is an incompetent idiot…unless they need him to be masterfully shrewd in order to satisfy a narrative. So, in their view, Trump can be a buffoon when it comes to the virus response, but somehow simultaneously ingenious in implementing a propaganda infrastructure…”

        By now, the left is TERRIFIED that this will blow over too early, leave Trump being the one pushing to restart the economy, while Biden is propped up, answering BP-fastball questions, and offering nothing at all.

      2. ” So, in their view, Trump can be a buffoon when it comes to the virus response, but somehow simultaneously ingenious in implementing a propaganda infrastructure.”

        Trump is a successful salesman and performer. Like Ronald Reagan. Implementing propaganda infrastructure is his bread and butter. The buffoonery comes when he strays from the script.

  13. The democrats of the CSA also attempted to create a “multi-state council”, Abraham Lincoln objected.

  14. Judging from what I’m seeing from blue check twitterati, the #resist crowd is the loudest in calling for strong federal action, as though they really don’t seem to understand who actually leads the federal government.

  15. Gov. Gavin Newsom, for his part, has the habit of referring to California as a “nation-state.” That raises questions about just how far he plans to take his assertion of independence from federal policy set by Trump and Republicans.

    Let’s hope it’s pretty far.

    1. I doubt most the country will cry if California went it’s own way.

      1. No. They can’t have it. The progs are welcome to leave, but that’s it.

        Plus I don’t favor a belligerent communist state with a massive coastline bordering so much of our country.

    2. Newsom is nearly as full of shit as you.

    3. Have you seen Gavin Newsom’s poll numbers lately? He’s totally dreamy.

      1. “Have you seen Gavin Newsom’s poll numbers lately? He’s totally dreamy.”

        Yeah, lefty fucking ignoramuses are just swooning.

    4. If you don’t live there already, then please move there and encourage the state to go all the way. The rest of us will start a betting pool on how long it takes for the separated “nation state” to transition from being California to being Californezuela. They’ve got a good head start already.

      Of course, if you truly had the courage of your convictions, you’d already be on your way to the actual Venezuela instead of the left-coast “Venezuela Light”. There’s still time to live up to your advertised principles – I say go for it!

  16. Newsom will fold with the first Brylcreem embargo.

  17. So Presidents can’t issue lockdown orders that violate constitutional rights but governors can? Really cant find that anywhere in my US or PA constitutions.

    10A doesn’t say it trumps all else. It says anything not in the constitution reverts to the states Amendments 1-9 are still there.

    They have “police power” but the police power must be used within the bounds of the constitution. Whats the use if having rights if this is all it takes.

    1. It’s called Federalism. You might note the Constitution says powers not enumerated are deferred to the States (Governors/Legislatures) or to the People but doesn’t particularly spell out what those are.

  18. The first state default that can’t or won’t (Trump’s trump card?)be bailed will solve a lot of this.

    1. Yep. Make the governor’s face the consequences of cratering the tax base, and suddenly everything will be ready to go.

  19. Centralized authority is the only hope you have in this. Corporations weren’t going to shut themselves down all by themselves, because they put greed above people. This is exactly why we need more than a night watchman state.

    1. “Centralized authority is the only hope you have in this…”
      You.
      Are.
      Full.
      Of.
      Shit.
      Fuck off and die, slaver.

      1. Great counter argument, moron.

        1. Exactly what your empty assertions deserved.
          Fuck off and die.

    2. Corporations were shutting down long before the government ordered them to, either that or limiting public interactions. The public sector was also retooling to produce needed equipment before the government ordered them too. Banks, auto dealers, etc were making arrangements to allow people impacted to make delayed or reduced payments before the government ordered them too. In fact corporations were taking measures, appropriate ones at that, before the government woke up to the threat.

      1. “In fact corporations were taking measures”

        Airlines were flying passengers into and out of infected areas right up until the government put a stop to it. Other corporations, like those who manufacture medical masks, were also lax when it came to ‘taking measures.’

        The banks and finance sector will probably come out of this with an enhanced reputation. They are set to take over the failing US energy production business, buy up assets of smaller businesses who fail as a result of the pandemic at fire sale prices, and skim a healthy amount of the $US 2 trillion bailout as it passes through their hands.

        1. “Airlines were flying passengers into and out of infected areas right up until the government put a stop to it. Other corporations, like those who manufacture medical masks, were also lax when it came to ‘taking measures.’”

          OK, let’s parse this pile of shit from the noted bullshiter trueman:
          1) Yes, airlines were flying people where they wanted to go, and your bullshit claim of ‘infected areas’ pretty much covers the world.
          2) Those who make masks were “lax” exactly how, you lying piece of shit?

          1. “Yes, airlines were flying people where they wanted to go”

            Until the government told them not to.

            “Those who make masks were “lax” exactly how”

            They needed government prodding and hectoring to pick up the pace.

            You need me to elaborate on the banks too?

            1. “Until the government told them not to.”
              Which you have yet to show why they shouldn’t have. Verdict: Bullshit

              “They needed government prodding and hectoring to pick up the pace.”
              So you have yet to show why they should have. Verdict: Bullshit
              So you have nothing other than a repeat of your idiocy?

              “You need me to elaborate on the banks too?”
              No, more bullshit is not required here.
              Lefty assholes never quite get why they are:
              Full.
              Of.
              Shit.

        2. “…….into and out of infected areas…….. until the government put a stop to it.”

          I flew out of SeaTac 2 weeks ago, flying back tomorrow.

          Ohhhh, you mean shithole infected areas in other countries. Got it.

    3. Yes! So many examples in 20th century history exemplify this notion! With properly centralized authority, we can make a “great leap forward”…

      1. “we can make a “great leap forward”…

        Maybe. I’d settle for the ability to supply ourselves with surgical masks and other low tech medical equipment.

        1. “Maybe. I’d settle for the ability to supply ourselves with surgical masks and other low tech medical equipment.”

          I’m sure shitbags like you would settle for 100,000,000 million innocent deaths to get what you want and avoid catching a cold.

          1. In the words of RM Nixon, What?

            1. “In the words of RM Nixon, What?”
              Let us know when you find someone who thinks that’s ‘clever’ rather than retarded.
              And when you find 100,000,000 million innocent deaths something other than a subject for lame bon mots, you pathetic piece of shit.

              1. Retarded is fine with me. I have my readers to consider.

                1. I’m sure readers of lefty fucking ignoramuses are just fine with lefty fucking ignoramuses making light of 100,000,000 million innocent deaths.
                  “Retarded” is the best you could hope for, scumbag.

                  1. 100,000,000 million deaths. Lol.

  20. As is typical for American libertarianism, they ignore examples of government done right. Here in the US, we have libertarian minded people standing in the way of and sabotaging government efforts at every opportunity.

    All one has to do is look at South Korea for successful model for handling this crisis. There are many others, such as Taiwan. Leaving it up to individuals to decide what they want to do would be a disaster. The crisis would drag out, and kill more. Communities not hit hard by the virus would not take it as seriously. Then a few cases in those communities would easily expand into a lot of cases. They would infect other communities and so on and so forth. Only a unified government response can lock it down and squash the disease decisively.

    1. “GenoS
      April.17.2020 at 3:23 pm
      “As is typical for American libertarianism, they ignore examples of government done right….”
      As a lefty fucking ignoramus, your cites went missing.

      “Only a unified government response can lock it down and squash the disease decisively.”
      Lefty fucking ignoramus assertion absent evidence.
      Cowardly pieces of shit like you are willing to trash an entire economy if the hopes that YOU won’t get sick.
      Fuck off and die, slaver.

      1. GFY, this has nothing to do with ‘cowardly,’ it’s called reason and common sense. You are just a mindless, rigid ideologue.

        The best thing to do is to squash this thing as quickly as possible. Your method would only drag it out as long as possible, THAT is what would really hurt the economy.

        Had we had competent leadership we could have done that, but we have a Republican in charge, so he fcked it up royally.

        1. You’re an idiot. Trump is doing the best he can with what he has to work with. If we scraped off all you progs, this would be going much better.

        2. The whole point of the lockdown was to drag it out. Regardless of what the US did early on, the thing exists in just about every country and territory in the world and its a fucking virus without any vaccine or known treatment; quashing it quickly was never an option.

          1. But quashing our country with a massive dose of Marxism is to the progs.

        3. You can’t ‘squash’ a disease that’s likely going to become endemic.

          There’s some science for you.

        4. You be sure to let us all know when there’s a vaccine for the MERS coronavirus (2012). Or for the SARS coronavirus (2003). Or for any coronavirus, because surely this time will be different and we’ll soon “squash” this particular coronavirus…

        5. “GFY, this has nothing to do with ‘cowardly,’ it’s called reason and common sense. You are just a mindless, rigid ideologue.”

          You’re a fucking lefty ignoramus and a coward besides.
          Fuck off, slaver.

        6. Jesus fucking Christ, it’s pathetic how badly you need to be lead.

  21. Conspiracy theories abound because human beings prefer the comfort of believing that evil men are running things to the horror of the thought that nobody’s running things. No, nobody who didn’t already prefer the burden of being responsible for their own decisions is suddenly going to find they enjoy the insecurity of living outside the cage.

    1. No, nobody who didn’t already prefer the burden of being responsible for their own decisions is suddenly going to find they enjoy the insecurity of living outside the cage.

      Truer words were never written.

  22. “Protests against strict lockdown rules in Michigan, North Carolina, and Ohio make it clear that shifting power from the federal governments to the states doesn’t eliminate disagreement and resistance”

    Add Minnesota to the list.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/17/watch-live-minnesota-workers-protest-outside-governors-mansion/

  23. Press X to doubt. My social media feed is overflowing with panic screeching about the evil of the people protesting government overreach in Michigan. Even as the actual data on deaths/hospitalization destroys the panic merchants’ models in real time, people are doubling down and demanding boots on their throats. My friends and family who believe this whole thing has been overblown are being cowed into silence. This virus is creating a Red Guard mindset in substantial chunk of the population.

    1. Seeing the same thing. People “sick to their stomachs” that Ohio may “start the process” of reopening businesses because everyone will die!

      1. My understanding is that in Ohio, we’re still only testing by doctor’s orders. That is, the population being tested is believed to have it or been exposed to it. Yet, we have about one confirmed case for every nine tested. If the people they believe are infected aren’t actually infected, what does that say about the population at large?

        1. Ohioan here….

          Strongly believe the virus was here in late December from personal observations as well as personal and family illness (obviously all anecdotal because there was no testing).

          I also suspect, given the recent antibody tests that have happened in a couple of places that it’s been widespread nationally since late last year (perhaps as far back as November, but certainly December) – with maybe the exception of a couple of places, but most certainly on the West Coast, and was just lost in the noise of the common flu death rates.

          How can one explain that once a test was available – within a couple of weeks it was revealed to be all over the world, even on remote islands?

        2. Further, if it’s that wildly contagious as is being reported – and you’re seeing the kind of antibody #’s with these recent studies, and everybody is funneling into the “essential businesses” daily – then literally, everyone is being exposed or has. Perhaps those exposed with a negative antibody test indicate cross-immunity from other coronavirus exposures??? After all, coronaviruses cause roughly 1/3 of all “colds” annually. I hear too much that this is “novel” and there is no immunity, but that might not be true at all. Think Cowpox, Vaccinia and Variola Minor…. Same idea. Not proven, but not disproven either.

          Diamond Princess data *might* even support this. The percentage who never tested positive (and did not fall ill) on that ship were most certainly exposed to it during the lock. I find it hard to believe otherwise.

  24. Correction: America is irrevocably on a collectivist path now, with only a possible Moslem caliphate as an alternative…

    1. Not so. If we nutted up and gave the progs the option of leaving or things getting real fucking bad for them we would solve the problem.

      1. “America is irrevocably on a collectivist path now”

        Once Americans have given up their delusions of democracy and the free market, a socialist future is all but inevitable.

        1. And shitbags like you are salivating.

          1. And you still think you live in a free market democracy and that the constitution will protect you, don’t you?

            1. When did you stop beating your husband, shitbag?

            2. Petey the Pistol will protect me. When I squeeze him he makes bad people go away.

              1. You’re just as deluded as Sevo, with his foolish belief that the constitution will somehow defend him from government authority.

  25. “Will COVID-19 Help Americans Break the Habit of Deferring to Centralized Authority?”
    Good question!
    Answer: NO. If anything, a huge number of Americans rolled over so fast it looked like an Olympic gymnastics event, if by “Centralized Authority” we mean anything outside one’s own home. People were bowing to “experts” and “authorities” from the UN, D.C., governors, state, county, city and HMO governments, store managers and any other outside source they could find. They were absorbed by authoritative videos from politicians and musicians teaching kindergarten-level hand-washing “skills” and slavishly followed “advice” on supposedly protective behaviors and devices which not only changed day be day, but often contradicted itself.
    Perhaps most telling, both the business and religious communities scattered like geese from a gunshot when these two famously independent groups were told to close their doors.
    The examples given of states forming little pacts both adds yet another layer of centralized authority and “Balkanizes” the country in a way which seriously undermines our Constitution.
    The article lays out a fine dream; I’m sure there’s a real market out there for whatever the writer was smoking.

    1. ““Balkanizes” the country in a way which seriously undermines our Constitution.”

      Can’t these and other measures be challenged in the courts if they are contrary to constitutional protections? I’ve often read in these pages how Trump’s supreme court appointments are the best, most consequential acts of his term in office.

      Or is the constitution another illusion to be shattered like democracy and the free market?

      1. Your lame ‘existential’ concerns are nothing other than sophistry, and only your mom is fooled.

        1. In the words of Peter Sellers, What what what?

          1. No, IOWs bullshitter trueman.
            No, regardless of what mommy said, you’re not ‘clever’.
            Fuck off.

              1. I’ll leave you to spend the rest of your life figuring that out, shitbag.
                Ask your mommy; maybe she can help.

  26. You know what I hate, a bunch of jerks running around thinking they don’t have the virus and then infecting my cousin, a doctor who has to treat them, or my aunt who is working at the grocery story, or my cousin who is an EMT and doesn’t have a choice. All those people who don’t think they have an obligation to abide by isolation orders should gather in large groups in their communities, with one condition; they don’t get access to care. They don’t care about who the hell sick, so the rest of us shouldn’t care about them. Oh, I am damn pissed because my grandmother passed away in nursing home. The virus arrived via some 20 something punk working there who didn’t think he had to avoid others when away from work. He picked up at covert party in California when there not suppose to be any gatherings. Thanks a lot to the people who can think for themselves… and only about themselves.

    1. Got any proof it was “jerks running around thinking they don’t have the virus”?

    2. Also, none of your family members “have” to work if their jobs become too worrisome. The government might be able to force people out of work, but to this point they haven’t forced anyone to continue working.

    3. “You know what I hate, a bunch of jerks running around thinking they don’t have the virus and then infecting my cousin, a doctor who has to treat them, or my aunt who is working at the grocery story, or my cousin who is an EMT and doesn’t have a choice.”

      You know what I hate? Some cowardly piece of lefty shit willing to use the government to imprison me in the hopes they don’t get sick, you cowardly piece of lefty shit.
      Get sick and die; make the world a better place.

      1. A spell in the slammer might do you some good. Teach you some manners.

        1. Fuck you with a rusty, running chain saw. Might teach you your worth.

          1. Yet another empty threat. I’m thinking spam flag time is fast approaching.

  27. Will. Not. Happen. Did you see how quickly the sheeple acceded to the “lockdown?” Americans have been thoroughly trained by media and the govt to acquiesce to every “government” edict, no matter how much doing so conflicts with their intuitions. Americans resist cognitive dissonance and, like lemmings, follow the dictates of the “elites” they seem to respect, for some unknowable reason.

  28. Only a faggot like AmSoc would quote and post Marcotte.

  29. The government must prioritize the lives of the people who are being threatened by a contagious and deadly coronavirus rather than economic and political interests, a strong state formed from the health of its people.

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  30. Look at Whitmer threaten punishment on those who merely wish to live their lives relatively free, and express their opinion about being forcibly confined and driven into destitution. Look at Pelosi grandstand in front of her $10,000 kitchen appliances filled with thousands of dollars worth of goodies. Look at the cops of North Carolina forcibly detain a protester for thinking rights are a thing, or those in Colorado haul off a man for having the temerity to play catch with his daughter.
    See how the leftists of the hivemind salivate at the prospect of central authority imposing drastic lifestyle conditioning on the populace, and destroying 10s of millions of lives. See the technocrats and experts live fat on the panic and fear they fraudulently manufacture.
    Watch the powers that be seize totalitarian control, eliminating independence and competition, and strike the pose of virtuous heroes granting the “little people” a pittance.
    This will only continue, because those pushing for this power, the power to utterly dominate and prescribe everyone’s way of life, believe themselves invincible. They believe themselves untouchable, The People too far away and too meek to stop them.
    Tolerance can indeed be weakness, and at this point it is.
    There is only one way back, one way out – and you’re not going to like it.
    Violence is not only justified, but absolutely necessary.

    1. “Violence is not only justified, but absolutely necessary.”

      Violence takes courage. You don’t even have the stones to post under your real name.

      1. Says the poorly coded bot, too cowardly to take personal responsibility

        1. That’s your idea of violence? Sticks and stones, comrade.

          1. Not even close.
            But watching you panic and crumble as the populace grows impatient is fun.

            http://mises.org/power-market/new-covid-19-authoritarians-will-only-give-power-if-they-fear-blowback

            1. How do you propose to watch me do anything? If violence is fun for you, you need to get control over your emotional responses. ie Tone them down. Let your reason out for some exercise.

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  32. Every time someone speaks of “Americans”, I need a definition so I know what or who it is they’re talking about.

  33. Most of us who are quarantining are doing so reluctantly but voluntarily. Why? The government never came up with the kind of testing necessary to see who has it, had it, can get it, is immune, or is contagious. So we’re all sitting and waiting while the economy tanks. And yes, testing on that scale has to be organized by the government. So the government screwed up the medical part of the equation and then found it necessary to screw up the economic part of the equation to fix the medical screw up. I’m disgusted by how many people think the government is doing the best it can and only has our best interests at heart.

  34. “Will this break the habit of deferring to centralized authority?” What fucking difference does it make whether people are deferring to centralized federal authority or licking the boots of power-lusting assholes closer to home? They’re still boot-licking. Are you suggesting that people are freer when the edicts they’re forced to obey come from the local school board instead of Congress? The Bill of Rights is scrapped either way. The government at every level has to abide by the Constitution, and the extent to which state constitutions violate the Bill of Rights is the extent to which state constitutions are invalid bullshit. How is it “making our own choices” if our First Amendment rights are violated by our mayors instead of our congressmen?

    1. Centralized authority?!?! Really? Way too educated to be a writer! How about a university language professor !!

  35. Centralized authority?!?! Really? Way too educated to be a writer! How about a university language professor !!

  36. “Will COVID-19 Help Americans Break the Habit of Deferring to Centralized Authority?”

    I think the resounding answer has been NO.

  37. Or maybe it will have the exact opposite effect, since the countries doing the best in this pandemic had a strong and competent government response. See S Korea, Taiwan, etc.

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  42. “At the end of a century that has seen the evils of communism, Nazism and other modern tyrannies, the impulse to centralize power remains amazingly persistent.” ~ Joseph Sobran

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