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Michigan Bans 'All Public and Private Gatherings,' Will Still Allow Lottery Sales

The governor's new stay-at-home order is arbitrary and far too strict.

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Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has issued an updated stay-at-home order—arguably the most constraining in the nation.

"As governor, I have to use every lever at my disposal to protect people," the Democrat said at a press conference Monday afternoon. "It weighs heavily, and I know that there [are] costs associated." 

Some of the levers at Whitmer's disposal appear to be ineffective at best and draconian at worst. Her directive forbids the in-store sale of paint, outdoor goods, and other allegedly nonessential items at large retailers.* (Home improvement stores can remain open, but they have to tape off those sections from customers.) It shuts down lawncare services. It bans travel between Michigan residences. It prohibits "all public and private gatherings of any number of people occurring among persons not part of a single household."

The order carves out a few exceptions, including for critical infrastructure workers and for those who have to take care of a relative.

Critics honed in on the lopsided nature of the order, which blocks the sale of all sorts of goods yet somehow still allows for the purchase of lottery tickets. One possible explanation: A large chunk of lottery proceeds go to K-12 education in the state.

"You can't go visit your friends. You can't buy seeds…but you can sneak out and buy lottery tickets," 88-year-old Hal Hughes told The Detroit Free Press. "I don't understand it, unless it's hypocritical greed."

The directive is currently in place until April 30; violating it constitutes a misdemeanor offense punishable by up to a $1,000 civil fine. Criminal penalties are also on the table, should prosecutors choose to pursue that

Michigan has not been lax on enforcement. Police stopped landscaper Brandon Hawley for carrying on with his business, although he lives in the northern city of Alpena, which confirmed its first COVID-19 case on Saturday. The majority of Michigan's cases are in the southeastern portion of the state.

Detractors also honed in on the state's travel restrictions. Michigan residents cannot go to their northern getaway cottages, but residents of other states who own such properties in Michigan will still be allowed to visit them if their home states' orders don't prevent them from doing so. 

As of today, Michigan has 25,635 confirmed cases of COVID-19, with 1,602 fatalities.

"We have the third most cases of any state," State Rep. Jim Lower (R–Greenville) told the Detroit Metro Times. "Blocking off sections of stores is basically nonsense and will not help reduce the spread of the virus."

Though Whitmer's updated order is perhaps the most inhibitory in the country, other states and localities have faced similar backlash as they seek to clamp down on any type of social contact. Police in Greenville, Mississippi, on Thursday issued citations to churchgoers attending a service at King James Bible Baptist Church, notwithstanding the fact that the congregation listened from their own respective vehicles. They broke the town's curfew, however, and as punishment, law enforcement doled out $500 tickets—a strange message to send in a clobbered economy, where many have lost their jobs.

*CORRECTION: The original version of this piece did not make clear that the Michigan order's provisions on selling nonessential items apply only to large retailers.

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  1. Michigan State:

    “Hold my beer America, watch this!”

    1. And she was leading Bidens VP Hope’s.

      1. Look in her eyes.
        Crazy town.

      2. Please let Biden pick her. PLEASE make her the poster child for the Democrats.

    2. This is the brilliance of our Governor’s Office per MDNR FAQ;
      “the use of a motorboat, jet ski or similar watercraft (includes gas and electric motors) is not permitted.”

      “Non-motorized boating, such as kayaking, canoeing and sailing, falls within the outdoor activities permitted under the “Stay Home, Stay Safe” Executive Order.

      1. That’s insane. People should be encouraged to go outside and do things. There’s a reason why flu season usually ends when it gets nice out.

    3. Michigan state officials have not constitutional authority to prevent people from leaving their homes, curfews, prevent peaceable assembly, religious expression…

      Its not too strict because state decrees like this should be ignored for the unconstitutional jokes that they are. Its tyranny, pure and simple.

  2. Biden purportedly looking at this lunatic for VP.

    1. Must be for protection from invoking the 25th amendment.

      1. So was it catching you lying or just constantly pointing out that you said you eat shit which finally broke you SQRLSY?

        1. Pretty sure him admitting to eating shit means he was already broken. So badly he forgot to switch handles and exposed his socking.

    2. But she’s totally not a nazi like Trump is.

  3. Governments are going to take this opportunity to see just how much they can get away with. Just how far can they push before people say “fuck it” and disobey.

    Michigan may have just found it, time will tell, but I suspect more governments are going to do stuff like this before this is over. Not because they’re concerned about saving lives, because they’re concerned about just how much power they actually have.

    1. Will be interesting to see if the upper peninsula tells her to fuck off or goes along with it. The less-gentrified areas of the Detroit metro probably won’t give a shit about this either, but guaranteed the Karens and the feminized men in Lansing and Ann Arbor will obediently follow along.

      And seriously–you’re going to forbid people from buying seeds to plant vegetable gardens, during a period when they have no idea when this shit is going to end, and the supply chain is showing the first signs of cracking? The lottery tickets are obvious–the state’s coffers are about to implode and it’s the only steady source of revenue they probably have right now.

      What a vindictive sack of shit this woman is. Lower’s Twitter dunk on her was pretty hilarious, though.

    2. There were multiple protests around the country today against the lockdown. Media will give it virtually no coverage.

      1. Yup. Saw that. There are planned vehicle protests in the state capital.

        People need to grow a pair and protest armed. The police dont fuck with you then. See the Oregon refuge and Virginia progun rally.

        1. first I’d heard about it, you’re right about the media not giving it coverage. But LoveC, Oregon? Last I heard, the FBI got a guy killed there as punishment for daring to speak up. I admire the balls on the guys who were willing to do it, but I don’t think that’s the best example.

          1. The state is going to kill who they want. Its how that plays out after that dictates future police action.

            Notice only one lady at the armed Virginia protest was fucked with. Its been months and nobody else was harassed for exercising their right to peaceful assembly.

            The Bundies that took the case trial were acquitted.

            The state learned a lesson from the Bundys. It might not last forever but its soemthjng.

  4. All of these Orwellian restrictions are totally fine as they derive from the Bill of Frights in the Cuntstitution.

    This is the price you pay for electing a wine mom to be governor.

    1. it’s like nobody in Michigan watched Homeland seasons 6 & 7

    2. This is the price you pay for electing a wine mom to be governor.

      You win the internet today

    3. Never vote to get a Democrat elected. They are tyrant assholes as all Americans can see during this kungflu hysteria.

      Michigan is getting the socialism it voted for good and hard!

      1. The Germans have resorted to throwing stones and attacking cops with steel pipes.

        1. Careful, the germans are starting to become German again XD

    4. LOL…Geraje, I had to look up ‘Wine Mom’. I had never heard the term. I watched part of her press conference yesterday, you have totally nailed this woman. Wine Mom fits to a….W. 🙂

      How on earth did she get elected?

      1. No ID checks at the polls?

  5. One possible explanation: A large chunk of lottery proceeds go to K-12 education in the state.

    But aren’t schools closed?

    1. Which means those funds can get designated for better uses, like buying vacation homes for union leaders.

    2. Nope. Everyone is getting paid. I bet even the Janitors are getting paid. About all they’re doing now is spending less on gas.

    3. Please report to Logic Camp

  6. Dumb, arbitrary rules lead to non-compliance, leading to harsher penalties and dumber rules, leading to more non-compliance and even harsher penalties and dumber rules…….

    1. A rule is a rule is a rule.

      1. And all I have here is this hammer…….

        1. But you can go buy a pitchfork, and a torch – – – – – – – – – – – –

        2. Nails are non-essential items.

            1. idk if its obvious but was sarcastically paraphrasing Gertrude Stein because of the cadence of the original post, not some kind of defense of following arbitrary rules.

  7. Isn’t this the one who gave the rebuttal to the SOTU speech?

    1. Yeap. She was the DNCs rising star.

      1. I have a feeling “was” will be the operative term. I wonder if she will still have her job after her next election.

  8. It’s an extraordinary game of one-upmanship to see who can be the biggest dictator. Few have the guts to take the heat for the short term costs (COVID deaths) since the long-term costs (poverty/starvation/death) are … long term. And they can always blame someone else for that. The CORPURASHUNZ. The Chinks. It’s clearly not their fault that their economy is now shit and unemployment is at 20%. It’s Trump’s fault.

    1. And nevermind that the lockdowns aren’t even designed to or capable of preventing people from getting covid and dying from it; they are only supposed to slow it down.

      1. Yeah it’s weird how “we” decided that suddenly the metric wasn’t overwhelming the system, it was to save everybody. Um….that’s not what we signed up for at all.

        Maybe we should just close it all down and rely on China for goods! What could go wrong?

        1. This.

          It was supposed to be a temporary measure to give hospitals lead time.

          It’s been a month, and now they’re talking about needing to save as many lives as possible, all while watching the economy burn and millions of people out of work.

          But don’t worry! We’re getting g a $1200 check!

  9. who needs a boyfriend?

    1. Are you moving back to NJ, because I don’t do the long distance thing.

      Oh, you were talking about Whitmer. Never mind.

      1. careful, she looks like the sort who’s into pegging

      2. lol again. Whitmer seems pent up.

  10. “It weighs heavily, and I know that there [are] costs associated.”

    With all due respect, what is your point?

    1. I know there are costs associated but fuck them. I need to think about my future!

      If Michiganites have any balls they go civil disobedience or they don’t re-elect this authoritarian idiot.

      1. If Michiganites have any balls they go civil disobedience *and* they don’t re-elect this authoritarian idiot.

        FTFY

      2. In Michigan. They’ve shut down everything including busses. Everybody’s ignoring that bitch at this point. We’re all on edge…you can feel it. Social unrest and rioting coming soon. If she extends again, this state will burn. Then again, the before and after pictures will look the same.

  11. Meanwhile in CO
    https://kdvr.com/news/man-arrested-in-front-of-daughter-at-brighton-park-for-allegedly-violating-social-distancing/

    Former Brighton City Councilman Kirby Wallin recorded much of the incident on his cellphone, where you can hear his voice narrate the scene.
    “He’s being taken by the Brighton police for playing softball with his daughter in an empty park,” Wallin said.
    In an interview with the Problem Solvers, Wallin said, “I find it hard to believe with all the things going on in our communities, the only way to resolve a situation like this was to handcuff a father in front of his daughter.”
    The sign at Donelson Park said “Closed” but in smaller print reads, “in groups of no more than 4 persons, parks remain open for walking, hiking, biking, running and similar activities.”

    1. “He’s being taken by the Brighton police for playing softball with his daughter in an empty park,” Wallin said.

      The sign at Donelson Park said “Closed” but in smaller print reads, “in groups of no more than 4 persons, parks remain open for walking, hiking, biking, running and similar activities.”

      I guess softball isn’t similar enough to those other activities. In all seriousness though, fuck these assclowns.

      1. Everything is banned except what is permitted.

      2. The sign at Donelson Park said “Closed” but in smaller print reads, “in groups of no more than 4 persons, parks remain open for walking, hiking, biking, running and similar activities.

        Police Union attorney – “Your Honor, these officers were never properly instructed that two persons is less than four persons.”

        Judge – “Qualified immunity”

    2. Just tell the cops to fuck off.

      Tell them that if they violate your constitutional rights with these unconstitutional rules made by tyrants, you will sue deadly force to defend yourself.

      Freedom isnt free.

      1. That is spectacularly bad advice = Just tell the cops to fuck off.

        1. My thoughts too. It’s not like the cops have ever overreacted to noncompliance in the US before. Now if this was Britain, I’d consider it. Not saying it still wouldn’t be a bad idea, but the worst thing they have is a baton.

          1. British cops have guns. They have guns assigned to specific bobbies. Those SWAT type bobbies will appear quick if a back up call is put out.

        2. No its not bad advice. I tell cops to fuck off all the time.

          I ignore them trying to talk to me. I give them the finger. I demand jury trials for traffic tickets in Georgia. I drive my APCs around without license plates and police dont do shit about it.

          You know why? Because I represent trouble that they cannot win. They pick on easy targets and avoid me once they find out that I am a nagging pain to them.

  12. Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has issued an updated stay-at-home order—arguably the most constraining in the nation.

    “As governor, I have to use every lever at my disposal to protect people,” the Democrat said at a press conference Monday afternoon. “It weighs heavily, and I know that there [are] costs associated.”

    Fuck off, slaver.

    1. How far reason has fallen.

    2. He’s wrong about this part:

      The criminalization of movement ends with ten Philly cops dragging a passenger off a bus for not wearing a face mask. It ends with local Brighton, Colo., cops handcuffing a father in front of his family for playing T-ball with his daughter in an empty park. It ends with three Massachusetts men being arrested, and facing the possibility of 90 days in jail, for crossing state lines and golfing — a sport built for social distancing — in Rhode Island.

      It actually ends with cops firing into crowds once civil unrest starts.

      1. The British firing into a crowd of Bostonian protesters got the Revolutionary War in motion.

        1. In all fairness, who wouldn’t want to fire into a crowd of Massholes?

        2. No, the refusal to pay for crown services got the ARW started.

          1. I thought it was an attempt to seize weapons from the common peasants that got things kicked off.

    3. Citywide quarantines, travel restrictions and obsessive public health checks aren’t authoritarian. They’re the kind of total mobilization that happens during major national crises such as war, regardless of the system of government.

      How does that make it not authoritarian?

  13. And this is why Deplorables call Democrats fascist dictators -because they are.

    1. This is incontrovertible proof that Democrats are anti-constitutional tyrants who should never be in charge of anything again.

  14. What do you think the actual reason (not the stated reason) for preventing people from engaging in random solitary activity? Obviously it’s not for health. Is it really just tyranny for its own sake?

    1. Gotta make an example.

    2. To show that Michigan can out-New York New York.

        1. Not to mention IL
          https://www.christianpost.com/news/chicago-police-break-up-church-funeral-service-for-violating-coronavirus-stay-at-home-order.html

          It was said that about 40 to 60 people were at the church to pay their last respects to the deceased.
          Guglielmi said officers reported seeing parishioners drinking from the same cup. Afterward, officers “expedited the completion of the funeral service and dispersed patrons.”

          1. Hey, he’s dead. Now youz guys get outta here!

    3. People might make home renovations without the official permits?

    4. Probably multiple purposes…legitimately the spread of this disease needs to be stopped with prejudice, but the opportunity to get people to knuckle under and then narc out those who don’t lick the boots is probably another reason

      1. No, the tyranny is the primary purpose. They were all just waiting for the right time to unleash it, when they thought the people would praise them for it. Like in Star Wars when they voted the Chancelor emergency powers. “In response to this direct threat to the Republic, mesa propose that the senate give immediately emergency powers to the supreme chancellor.” – Jar Jar Binks. “In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire for a safe and secure society.”

      2. Call her Darth Gretchen, I guess.

      3. the spread of this disease needs to be stopped with prejudice

        Seems possible that it’s too late for that. In which case, this is all just insanity.

    5. A combination of government goblins blindly following orders without thinking or considering the logic of it, and the standard US police officer’s seething hatred for anything that even looks like noncompliance?

    6. To spread the misery. Otherwise some may complain that while their favorite [group] activities are forbidden, others’ favorite [solitary] activities are still allowed, and that’s not fair.

  15. “all public and private gatherings of any number of people occurring among persons not part of a single household.”

    We are all part of the family of man – – – – – – – – – – –

    1. Not sure sure about Nancy Pelosi…Is she live or memorex?

      1. Leading contender for “crazy aunt to keep in the attic”

    2. No dating until you’re dead or married, kids.

  16. Even CNN has admitted it’s no worse than the seasonal flu.
    https://youtu.be/IYPM6wQQ_js

  17. Fool.

  18. People were okay at first, but even people I debated with on Facebook, who originally supported these lockdowns are now starting to admit it has gone way to far and may not have been needed in the first place. We are already seeing violence in Europe as a result of their measures. I wonder how long until non-violent civil disobedience (holding church services despite orders and such) turns into people turning violent.

    1. Eh, I still see proggies on my timeline trying to mock anyone who thinks we need to lift the order as people who are just greedy and care more about money than lives.

  19. She just handed MI over to Trump.

    1. +10000

      Kentucky is same boat too.

      The Democrats were already desperate because the end is near for their Party but this kingflu hysterical actions by some states via tyrannical police actions will likely be the death nail.

      1. They have to know what they are doing. I think the DNC is throwing ’20 but looking to cause as much economic disaster as possible.

  20. Fuck em. We need massive civil disobedience. It’s the only way the fucktards in government and their bootlickers will learn.

    That and kicking them out of office and their cozy 9-3p jobs, work for 25 years, get a lifetime pension. Those fuckers.

    1. +100000

  21. Unbelievable. Surely the gentle folks of Michigan will shop on either side of the tape.
    Just say no

  22. Convene the Death Panels!

    Hackensack Meridian hospitals are among the New Jersey care centers that have established Do Not Attempt Resuscitation (DNAR) policies.

    and of course:

    Arthur Caplan, a professor of bioethics at New York University Langone Medical Center and the founding director of its division of medical ethics, said the new DNAR policies “make sense.”

    1. Got to drive up those fatality numbers.

      1. Gotta pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers in a pandemic.

    2. That is pretty fucking scary. In the People’s Republic of NJ, they cannot process tests to save their lives. Complete and utter incompetence.

      Too much trouble, just pull the plug. Phuck Phil Murphy.

  23. Relax you big libertarian babies. It’s only until April 30.

    And then the chief will decide if she’ll extend it another 30 days!

    You can’t handle one small lockdown for mankind?

    Monsters!

    /prog.

  24. Just got back from a trip to my summer home in Traverse City , Michigan . Drove up there from Chicago. Unlike Michiganders , I could freely travel there. It was great . No traffic except for a couple of pesky State troopers. Just flashed my FOID card and I was on my way . In spite of that interference made record time. I can only say Thank You Obergruppenführer Whitmer for clearing the roads of the natives.

    1. Figures. Pussies from Chicago always land in the pussy wine country. That isn’t Michigan until you cross that ferkin bridge. Up here the po po’s show US their ID cards.

      1. Are you in the UP? Where about, if I may ask?

        1. Laughing Fish Point. 640 acres, half mile beach on the Gitch. Large dogs, many rifles, tons of canned string beans. Keep your fucking distance.

          1. LOL. Just curious- I live in WI, but near the border. Went to Tech, so I might be an honorary Yooper. The UP is just across the river from where I work, and probably half of the people that work here come from MI. It’s just beyond ludicrous that the people I deal with daily, who live in places like Stephenson and Daggett and Birch Creek, have to deal with this shit the same as if they live in Wayne county or any other troll shithole. Of course the same goes for my part of WI following the same rules as Milwaukee, but that’s another story.

          2. You’re a Yooper all right. I’m about an hour South of the bridge, but the attitude is much the same once you get an hour or two above Grand Rapids. Suits me just fine.

    2. Like seriously, were they randomly pulling you over to make sure you were “allowed” to be there?

  25. Meanwhile the best Libertarian journalist around writes for National Review

  26. The PigDog Santa Cruz PD is crowing about handing out $1K tickets to my fellow Fremontianites at the Ocean Street 7-11. If they would have said they were illegal aliens they would have been given hotel vouchers, pre-loaded cash cards and a ride in the police cars to anywhere in the city limits.

  27. This is all because she wants to be the one who gets her hair sniffed by Biden. She is atrocious.

    If fairness though this article should have noted the Michigan order exempts religious services.

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  29. She is so evil and insane. Especially, and this can’t be emphasized enough, because Michigan is a state with SUCH disparate regions. I mean hell, at a minimum, if you must do something like this, limit it to the lower peninsula. Really, it should be limited to the areas south of the line from Muskegon to Bay City or so (starting with the premise that this is worthwhile or acceptable AT ALL, which it isn’t). But Michigan has the advantage of being divided into two distinct areas connected only by a bridge- the lower peninsula is where most of the people are and essentially all of the KungFlu is, has urban areas, etc. The upper peninsula has more in common with the interior of Alaska than anything else. Outdoor recreation is ALL THEY HAVE. That is the ONLY reason people live there. And it would be so easy- just shut the bridge down except for permitted commercial traffic and let the UP live their lives. Except for St. Ignace, the town on the UP side of the bridge, there is hardly any day to day interaction between UP residents and lower peninsula; the UP has more exchange with northern WI than anything else. I still think this would be unnecessary and wrong and evil, but the point is that it could be done, easily. It is between two parts of the same state, so she shouldn’t have to worry about getting smacked down by the feds for affecting interstate commerce. If she was interested in truly helping rather than just flexing authoritarian muscles, that would seem to be a good place to start. But instead, she is just evil and wants to show everyone that she is the boss bitch here, and no one better question that. Especially the hicks in the embarrassing parts of her state that don’t have the good sense to live in Detroit, Ann Arbor, or Lansing.

    1. “Outdoor recreation is ALL THEY HAVE. That is the ONLY reason people live there”
      Fuck off. I run a (albiet small) hedge fund from my office atop a bluff overlooking The Big Lake. That I subsist on fresh perch, walleye and whitefish, consider the white tail opener as a national holiday and operate a meager recreational trapline doesn’t male me a neanderthal. It simply means social distancing is my preferable and life long world view. Jefferson’s comment on his return from Paris was his advise to America to “leave the concept of cities to the French”. I can drive to whatever you people have, then leave that shit behind when I come home.

      1. Calm down, you know that wasn’t mean derogatorily. What you said is exactly my point- you live there because you like the outdoor, self sufficient lifestyle. Which is true for most people up there. Doesn’t mean you are a hillbilly, though there are plenty of those in the Yoop as well. It just means that is your choice of lifestyle. Unless you live in Marquette, Houghton, the Soo, or one of a couple WI border cities, people give up a lot of amenities for entertainment, dining, etc. that city people couldn’t imagine living without in order to live in a place where hunting, fishing, four wheeling, etc. is all around, and you don’t have to deal with a ton of people to do it. And now, because Detroit has a problem, your governor is telling all of you people that you can’t do the things that are best about living there. And there aren’t a ton of other things to fall back on. Big city politicians and soyboy twitterers sit back and say “why do you guys whine so much, just sit home and binge watch Netflix and have GrubHub bring you Chipotle for a few weeks, what’s the big deal?” Not realizing how stupid it is to say that to someone living in Trenary.

        1. We are largely spared most of his nonsense. I’d be willing to bet most here go about their lives as usual, aside from staying around home a bit more. I’ve not seen a single face mask or rubber glove; the Dollar Store still has a few rolls of wipe, people are still out and about with their mundane tasks. I’ve seen fishermen in boats with motors and knots of people in cars or chatting. Likely there isn’t a cop in the entire U.P. that would dare stop a pick up and ask the driver why he was out. Generally speaking the people who police this stupidity live locally and are wise enough to leave people alone unless there is blood evidence. It’s why we choose to live here.

    2. The southeastern corner of Michigan, plus tendrils out to Flint, Ann Arbor, and Lansing has 50% of the population and 90% of COVID cases – and nearly all of the Democrats. Whitmer knows where her votes came from, tailors her policies for them, and the rest of the state can go hang.

  30. As an aside, this discussion got me thinking about Michigan’s electoral tendencies. What is it with them alternating between traditional Republican white guys (Engler, Snyder) and batshit crazy leftist Karens (Granholm, Whitmer) for governor?

    1. There is Marquette. Largest city in the Yoop, with a fucking college, with remnants of union miners. Idiots to the core, they blessed us with Bart Stupak, that defender of Bill’s blow jobs, and other assorted dimwitcrats over the years. There is talk of a bounty on them.

  31. “You can’t buy seeds…but you can sneak out and buy lottery tickets,”

    Not holding my breath waiting to hear John Oliver criticize this order.

    1. If you’re far enough south, there’s always Ohio

  32. Anyone see the op-ed at NBC by the lunatic trying to claim that the only way Trump can win in November is if the republicans cheat? That’s it, get the excuses out early and often.

  33. Speaking as a resident of the Great State in question, much of this is just politics [I did more than Trump] thinly veiled as virtue signaling. Blues just gotta “do something,” especially if it expands their reach and power.

  34. Will someone in MI who still believes in that social media stuff please get a movement going to boycott the MI lottery until that broad is recalled or resigns?

  35. What an embarrassingly stupid comparison.

    How many people does Bunion need to help him buy a lottery ticket?

    Or is he disputing that large gatherings are fodder for the spread of COVID-19.

    How fucking pathetic that Reason desperately seeks to divert negative attention from a self-dealing, dictator-wannabe and his cabal of rent-seekers in the White House.

    There is no comparison.

    Reason is a sad little propaganda outlet and it becomes more transparent every day.

    1. The comparison is an attempt to highlight the wide disparity between what may be legislated as “vital” services. Probably the worst entity to make that determination is a government. I’m sure you see this, your reference to “rent seekers” would indicate so. People who desire a legal service tend to think anyone whom would deny them such are assholes. I’ve a governor who deems fishing alone in a boat with a motor is to be denied, while allowing the same activity in a canoe or kayak. You do see the mental disparity in a shitstain delivering such an edict, no? Or do I detect a touch of that Covid-TDS?

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