Election 2020

How Much More Should Trump Be Spending on You?

Federal outlays per person have increased $1,441 since 2016, to a grand total of $14,652 per person.

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Last week, The New York Times published an eye-opening tally of how much more the federal government is spending on each of us since Donald Trump was elected president. "Total federal spending has increased by $1,441 per person since 2016," reported Alicia Parlapiano and Quoctrung Bui, to a grand total of $14,652 per person per year. They came to their numbers by looking at actual federal outlays "for the 2016 fiscal year, adjusting for inflation and population changes" and comparing them to the budgeted amounts for the current fiscal year, which ends on September 30.

This revelation—which has generated a scant 45 comments as of this writing on five days after publication—should discomfit both Republicans and Democrats and conservatives and liberals/progressives. And it should absolutely enrage libertarians who believe in smaller government and the 42 percent of Americans who identify as politically independent and thus are less likely to buy into partisan spin. What exactly do we have to show for the $1,441 increase in spending per person since 2016? As important, given the massive amounts of waste, fraud, and abuse everyone agrees is rampant in government, do we really need to be shelling out $14,652 per person, per year? That figure will almost certainly go up next year.

No matter how partisans will try to parse the numbers, the plain truth is spending is basically up across the board. While Parlapiano and Quoctrung's calculations show spending on defense went up $171 per person under Trump, outlays on Social Security (+$210 per person) and Medicare (+$299) increased even more. Grants to states for Medicaid, which provides health coverage for low-income Americans, increased $33 per person, overall compensation for veterans went up $72, refundable tax credits for Obamacare premiums were goosed by an additional $39, and Head Start, which provides poor kids with extra help in preschool and early education, increased by $1.00 per person. Even spending on the National Institutes of Health, NASA, and Amtrak increased.

To be sure, per person spending on some things went down. Foreign aid took a hit, as did spending on the FBI, the IRS, and the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). Food assistance (SNAP) went down by $68 per person, though the government will still spend $203 per person on the program this year. Pell Grants, which help fund college for many Americans, are down from where they were in 2016 and so is crop insurance, loans, and direct payouts to farmers. Do we really want to shed a tear that per person spending on the TSA is 98 cents less than it was in 2016? In the 10th year of an economic expansion that each party wants to take credit for, shouldn't welfare payments of all sorts be dropping unless we're committed to the idea that all of us should be getting more money from the government under all circumstances?

Despite all possible evidence, Republicans (conservatives) still like to insist that they are the adults in the room when it comes to the size, scope, and spending of the government. It's true that much in the hikes (and cuts) can't be attributed fully or even partly to Trump. Congress, after all, controls the purse strings, and the budget for 2017 was set before Trump assumed office. But such an increase with a nominal Republican in the White House is an embarrassment, especially since the GOP controlled the Senate and House of Representatives for many of the recent years in which spending jacked up. In the same way, the increased spending gives the lie to outcries by Democrats (liberals/progressives) that Trump and the Republicans are somehow starving the government of much-needed funds, especially for the poor and elderly.

Using a different methodology than The New York Times, usgovernmentspending.com finds that annual per person spending by the federal government has grown from $8,120 in 2000 to $12,633 (in constant 2012 dollars). That's a 56 percent increase in annual per person spending.

None of that is true, as the Times' article makes clear. More to the point, the government is surely spending enough money in aggregate to achieve the putative goals of most programs. Whether we're talking about guns or butter (that is, defense expenditures or outlays for social programs), why shouldn't the government been able to achieve its goals with $13,211, or the total per person spending in 2016? Why exactly does defense spending go up, especially when we're supposedly out of the Middle East and drawing down our commitments in Afghanistan, two places in which billions of tax dollars have gone missing? Between 2002 and 2015, the Pentagon lost track of $45 billion worth of reconstruction funds in Afghanistan, or one-third of the total amount budgeted for that purpose. Back in 2009, a report from President Obama's Council of Economic Advisers concluded that "nearly 30 percent of Medicare's costs could be saved without adverse health consequences." More than a decade later, the national debate isn't about making the $2,250 per person we spend on Medicare less wasteful, it's about extending the program to everyone! In an era of trillion-dollar deficits, shouldn't we be trying to spend less money more wisely?

It's not just the fact that so much of the spending is misdirected or wasteful. Reason contributor and Mercatus Center economist Veronique de Rugy has argued convincingly that increased government spending has a negative impact on the economy, especially when it is financed by borrowing. In the wake of the 2008 financial crisis and a bipartisan return to Keynesian stimulus programs, she documented that most research demonstrated that government spending tended to have "multipliers" or less than one, meaning that each dollar of government spending stimulated less than a dollar of economic activity. "The median multiplier in relevant studies is 0.87," she wrote, "far lower than the [Obama] administration's claim that every stimulus dollar would produce $1.57 worth of activity." In a 2013 paper with Harvard's Robert J. Barro, she showed that hikes defense spending correlated with lower overall economic activity but that reductions in spending correlated with increases in private-sector commerce:

Existing studies found that a dollar increase in federal defense spending results in a less-than-a-dollar increase in GDP when the spending increase is deficit financed. Combining this with a tax multiplier that is negative and greater than one, the authors estimate that over five years each $1 in federal defense-spending cuts will increase private spending by roughly $1.30.

As Parlapiano and Bui mention in their Times article, virtually all of the new spending since 2016 is being financed through borrowed money. We're spending $1,441 more per person while federal revenues have increased by just $125 per person. That explains why, despite booking the highest per person revenues in over 50 years, the national debt continues to grow. One thing both right-wing and left-wing economists agree on is that persistent, high levels of debt correlate strongly with reduced economic growth, which helps explain sluggish growth for all of the 21st century in the United States.

As it happens, President Trump recently released his budget proposal for fiscal year 2021. The president's proposal isn't binding in any way. It's really just a suggestion to Congress and an announcement of his priorities. If he got his druthers, he would spend $4.83 trillion, up from an estimated $4.79 trillion this year and an actual $4.45 trillion in 2019 (see table S-1 in his proposal). As important, all of his Democratic challengers are promising even-bigger increases in spending over the coming years and it's likely that whoever ends up winning this fall, the federal budget for 2021 will be bigger than whatever exact amount we end up spending this year.

Especially in an election year, we really should be talking about increases in federal spending and national debt and their relationship to economic growth. At the very least, we should be acknowledging what the Times has discovered, hiding right there in plain sight: We are spending far more per person than we were in 2016. And we should be asking everybody who wants to be president: What do we have to show for that extra $1,441?

 

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  2. “Despite all possible evidence, Republicans (conservatives) still like to insist that they are the adults in the room when it comes to the size, scope, and spending of the government.”

    So in the paragraph before you show how it was entitlement spending growth that was largely responsible for spending growth… then blame it on discretionary increases for the both sides claim?

    1. Why didn’t the Republicans cut entitlements during the period they controlled Congress and the Presidency?

      1. Their constituents didn’t want them too and they need the votes.

        1. What’s the point of having the votes of you aren’t going to vote your principles?

          1. Well, at least Trump and the Republican Church are making the liberals cry! And THAT is what it’s all about!

            (The Republican Church is ALL about reducing the size of Government Almighty… Except when it is NOT!)

            1. Are you crying, Sqrlsy?

          2. Trying to find a libertarian here?

            Good luck with that.

            1. You can find plenty of lefty TDS victims; see the above post.

              1. They are vastly out-numbered by the victims of pro-Trump TDS. Victims of pro-Trump TDS are also victims of their own overweening pride… They think that they are the ONLY smart people to be found ANYWHERE, and that the NON-pro-Trump people, and un-Americans everywhere, are too stupid to EVER realize that they are being pussy-grabbed. They will NEVER figure out how to pussy-grab the smart people right back!

                So the Mexicans never paid for the walls? The Trumpist protectionism ending up giving a vast boost to “welfare for farmers”, because farmers couldn’t make an honest living, selling to China, any more? Well, let’s just all get behind the Pussy Grabber in Chief, double down on the pussy-grabbing, and if we will all just KEEP THE FAITH in the Republican Church, it will start to work any day now! (If not, we can blame the Chinese, the Mexicans, illegal sub-humans, and, of course, the liberals!)

                1. I’m not sure what you’re getting at. Are you asking for your pussy to be grabbed?

                  1. In plain language for stupid people: Other people are smart enough to figure out that you are an arrogant, greedy-pig, selfish asshole, if you regularly act like an arrogant, greedy-pig, selfish asshole. After they figure that out about you (whether you are a person or a tribe or a nation), they are NOT likely to treat you very kindly! What comes around, goes around! So… If you have a clue… Do NOT act like an arrogant, greedy-pig, selfish asshole!

                    Any other stupid questions?

                  2. Here’s the latest about Trump’s history as an arrogant, greedy-pig, selfish asshole…

                    https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/biggest-bombshells-trump-deutsche-bank-lending-new-york-times-report-2020-2-1028908722#same-bank-different-teams2

                    “ENLIGHTENED” self-interest is in YOUR best interest, in the long term! (As well as in the interests of others). Trump is too stupid, greedy, and full of false pride to see that… How about YOU, Mamma?

      2. W faced a lot of resistance to the idea and then 9/11.

        Meanwhile he pointed out that the real problem was Medicare. And we all remember the Dem ads throwing grandma off the cliff.

        So serious discussion is a non starter.

        1. Meanwhile he pointed out that the real problem was Medicare.

          Was that before or after Dubya created a new Medicare entitlement for prescription drugs without paying for it?

      3. Because you ignoramus, with the changes the Dems made in the 70’s to the filibuster, actual control of Congress for a thing even remotely controversial requires 60+ votes in the Senate. You want to encourage less government growth, the first thing you need to do is revert the filibuster to it’s old form(preferred) or abolish it entirely(not preferred).

      4. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are big spenders and the conservative caucus is typically frozen out when it comes to any meaningful spending reforms.

    2. just check the history — spending goes up more under Republican presidents.

      1. just check the history — spending goes up more under Democratic presidents.

        The fact is spending goes up more on “The Next President” and frankly the average total makes your statement more a LIE than a truth.

        This article states it pretty well, “As important, all of his Democratic challengers are promising even-bigger increases in spending over the coming years”

        1. Just check the history — spending goes up more under Democratic presidents.

          I checked. I’m laughing at you.
          Trump is FAR worse on spending AND DEFICITS than Obama, who had a recession (and TARP) from Bush. Trump stared from the longest recovery EVER for an incoming President, a gift from Obama.

          Bush2 is BY FAR the worst on entitlements. Only HE created deficits FOREVER, by LOOTING the income tax to “pay for” Medicare Prescriptions — over $300 billion for last year ALONE, over 20% of the personal income tax, TO SUBSIDIZE A NEW DEAL ENTITLEMENT.

          1. “Trump is FAR worse on spending AND DEFICITS than Obama” — I’m so tired of correcting your crap; I’m not even going to drop the figures.

            EVERYONE knows Obama took the debt from $10T to $20T and since we’ve not seen $25T yet that instantly makes your statement a bold face LIE… I’m not a fan of Bush Jr. but TARP didn’t cost a penny and Obama’s AARP cost almost $1T in itself.

            You’re full of sh#t.

            1. BRAINWASHED GOOBER!! HOW STUPID IS HE? (SNORT)

              1) WHAT IS THE CBO FORCEAST FOR 2024? THAT WOULD BE 8 YEARS IF TRUMP, loser.

              2) YOU’RE TOO FUCKING STUOPID TO KNOW WHEN THE FISCAL YEAR CHANGES ,… AND THAT OBAMA’S FIRST TEN MONTHS WERE BUSH’S BUDGET. BWAAAA HAAAAA

              3) AND WHY DI YOU SKIP THIS, YOU WHINY COWARD

              Only HE (Bush2) created deficits FOREVER, by LOOTING the income tax to “pay for” Medicare Prescriptions — over $300 billion for last year ALONE, over 20% of the personal income tax, TO SUBSIDIZE A NEW DEAL ENTITLEMENT

              MEDICARE WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE GONE BANKKRUPT. YEARS A HE NEEDED DEMOCRAT VOTES AND THEY ***CLEANED HIS CLOCK***…

              . but TARP didn’t cost a penny

              Puppet dancing on a string.

              Obama’s AARP cost almost $1T in itself.

              BWAAAA HAAAAA HAAAA
              OBAMA DID NOT CREATE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF RETIRED PERSONS, YOU ILLITERATE TWIT.

              YOU ALSO DENY THAT BUSH LEFT THE SECOND-WORST RECESSION IN THE PAST 74 YEARS!!!!!!

              AND WHAT DID BUSH’S UNPAID TAX CUTS COST?

              Just another ventriloquist dummy for the political lites.

              1. AARA – American Recovery and Reinvestment Act

                1. TRUMP’S TAX CUTS ADDED MORE DEBT.

                2. SO DID BUSH’S

                  AARA ARRA – American Recovery and Reinvestment Act

                  AND TARP DID NOT GET PAID BACK
                  https://www.thebalance.com/tarp-bailout-program-3305895

                  Anything else?

    3. JesseAz doesn’t know “discretionary” means!
      Then again, neither does Trump!

      Actually, Nick was too kind. Trump is the worst President EVER on adding new debt … after Obama handed him the longest recovery EVER for a sitting President, despite Obama having inherited the second-worst economy in the past 74 years.

      Trump campaigned on paying off the entire federal dent in 8 years, a MASSIVE LIE. Instead, he has already added more new 8-year debt (CBO 2024 forecast) than Obama added AFTER 8 years. OMFG

      Plus, Trump now proposes ANOTHER unpaid tax cut, to explode the debt even more! And like FDR’s New Deal, we get NOTHING from Trump’s New Deal. Economic growth DECLINED last year. Trump’s first three years of GDP growth is worse than Obama’s final three … also fewer new jobs under Trump!

      It’s just not possible for Trump to be a bigger failure, fiscally, For this we need Republicans …. far worse than even Obama!

  3. Federal, state, and local spending was around $8T when I last checked several years ago. That’s $25K per person. I don’t really give a shit how much is federal vs state vs local. All I know is I don’t get $25K worth back.

    1. Then you’re not over 65. This entire ‘federal spending per person’ is faux outrage — since not even this article is pointing out how skewed federal spending is by age. All of Medicare and Social Security and roughly 1/3 of Medicaid are for over-65’s. So half the total federal spending is spent on 16% of the population. For that group, you are talking over $40,000/ year/person.

      The one group that has had a lifetime to accumulate a nest egg. The age group that is entirely DeRp – and controls the DeRps – and votes – and thus ensures that their noses remain in the trough with no questions allowed and FYTW.

      And in all honesty, this topic is not as taboo as politicians make it out to be. The reason they make it taboo is precisely because the conversation has to be personal and bottom-up – starting with grandparents, parents, and kids talking within a family about spending/retirement/debt/etc and all the possible options/changes that could be different when everyone is looking everyone else in the eye. And then groups/neighbors/etc getting together and doing the same.

      The last thing pols and elites want is for any political conversation to be personal/individual or bottom-up. This is a mass society which means ideology/manipulation/BS must reign supreme. Otherwise – they risk loss of control of outcome. And that is what is truly unacceptable.

      1. A lot of words just to say you want people to die. That sounds so much like freedom.

        1. It’s libertarians who think their ideology is more important than individuals. I’m a classical liberal.

          If a grandparent can look their grandchild in the eye and say – I’m gonna bury you in $40k/year debt and FYTW, then well yeah they do deserve to die – quickly. The pol who tells that retiree that it’s all free or insurance or whatever so spend whatever you choose when/how you choose and I’ll make sure the whole topic is a third rail – well they certainly deserve to die in great pain. And every single DeRp voter – like you apparently – who goes along with that pol and his manipulative lies with no discomfort at all – deserves to die.

          The real question is once all those folks are dead – how many Americans are left? Because everyone else will be able to figure out how to reform those entitlements so they are fair, just, sustainable, etc – across generations.

          I’m optimistic that it’s actually the vast majority. And all that’s really needed is someone with the guts to bypass DeRp and get those reform conversations started from the bottom-up. And those reforms will encompass both spending and taxes – but NOT debt as some free money tree. If I’m wrong – then bring on the generational warfare. We all die sometime anyway.

          1. JFree
            February.16.2020 at 8:40 pm
            “It’s libertarians who think their ideology is more important than individuals. I’m a classical liberal…”
            No; you’re a lefty liar hoping for justification for your idiotic theories; recycled turd.

          2. I’m optimistic that it’s actually the vast majority. And all that’s really needed is someone with the guts to bypass DeRp and get those reform conversations started from the bottom-up.

            I completely agree. There are even working examples of fiscally responsible, partially privatized retiree pension systems out there. Heck, if we even moved closer to a German model – they fucking invented the concept of Social Security after all – in which the state pension for the self-employed was *optional*, that would be a great improvement.

            I think the biggest problem though is that no one really believes that the Social Security system will actually run out of money. Why should they? We’re trillions in debt and nobody seems to care. So why reform something that everyone knows is broken, but no one believes in the urgency to fix?

            1. So how do you Canadians do it Pedo Jeffy?

          3. It’s libertarians who think their ideology is more important than individuals. I’m a classical liberal.

            You just PROVED YOURSELF full of shit …. on BOTH scores.

            Do NOT confuse REAL libertarians with THUGS like you, Ron and Rand Paul. REAL libertarians accept consent of the governed … tracing all the way back to Ayn Rand. WHAT’S THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE TO THAT, GOOBER?

            NO classical liberals defend YOUR (“fuck the people”) AUTHORITARIAN STATE,

            “Complaining about a problem, without posing a solution, is whining.”
            -Theodore Roosevelt

        2. Just some people. Like Mike Hihn. That moron has really hurt libertarians, and America. The fucker should die, as soon as possible. Wouldn’t you agree?

          1. He’s too busy laughing at your crazed bullshit and hate-spewing authoritarian thuggery.

        3. “A lot of words just to say you want people to die. That sounds so much like freedom.”

          In this instance equates to EXACTLY

          “Give me your money or I’ll shoot you!!! You don’t want to die do you? What? You just want people to die… Just hand over your money and you won’t get shot…”

          It’s impressive how lefties and their sling-shot phrases have covered up their criminalistic ways.

          1. Take a deep breath. Reject your own hysteria. And educate yourself.

            Before Medicaid, the FREE MARKET OUTCOME was universal treatment for all, regardless of income .,.. provided by thousands of Charity Hospitals … financed by churches, charities, foundations and fraternals.

            Americans have paid for indigent health care, freely and willingly. for over a century. Progressives are kicking our ass ,… because of YOU and your ilk … and your CONTEMPT for free market OUTCOMES

            DO THE MATH. If Bernie and the proggies are the ONLY ones CLAIMING to provide what Americans have ALWAYS been willing to pay for … who wins?

            All based on today’s dumbass fiscal conservatives … brainwashed into opposing individual liberty and free-market outcomes.

            That makes YOU the greater threat. By far.

      2. Tax transfers to old geezers, or have them move in with you. Your choice.

        1. And if you think baby diapers smell bad…

        2. Well it should be, “Your Choice…” (i.e. My Choice). NOT the national governments choice to force their will upon me.

          OR at-least be a LOCAL community problem do be dealt with for the old geezers who have no-where to turn.

          1. Well it should be, “Your Choice…” (i.e. My Choice). NOT the national governments choice to force their will upon me.

            Consent of the governed, goober, versus your authoritarian dick-tatorship. You do retain the freedom to emigrate, so … no force. (lol)

            “Complaining about a problem, without posing a solution, is whining.”
            -Theodore Roosevelt

            OR at-least be a LOCAL community problem

            You’re also ignorant of the 14th Amendment.
            And the 9th. All Americans possess equal rights, unlike the “states rights” bogotry of the KKK, southern racists and Ron Paul.

            1. Inside the criminalistic mind, “My ‘equal right’ to elect a 3rd party to show up at your door with gun-threat enforced law and take your property for my own person benefit without any ‘justification’ (i.e. Justice) in doing so short of I think I deserve it for being human.”

              1. Non-responsive. Cowardly evasion.

                “Complaining about a problem, without posing a solution, is whining.”
                -Theodore Roosevelt

                “OR at-least be a LOCAL community problem”

                You’re also ignorant of the 14th Amendment.
                And the 9th. All Americans possess equal rights, unlike the “states rights” bigotry of the KKK, southern racists and Ron Paul.

                You’re also ignorant of the 14th Amendment.
                And the 9th. All Americans possess equal rights, unlike the “states rights” bogotry of the KKK, southern racists and Ron Paul.

              2. Inside the criminalistic mind, “My ‘equal right’ to elect a 3rd party to show up at your door with gun-threat enforced law and take your property for my own person benefit without any ‘justification’ (i.e. Justice) in doing so short of I think I deserve it for being human.”

                If you suffer some crazed delusion that that is an “equal right,” it’s no surprise that you’re an authoritarian.

  4. Big deal. The Green New Deal will cost around $6,400 per person per year, based on some computations.

    1. The last figure I remember was $95T over ten years. $9.5T / year is not only double the current federal budget all on its own, for 330M Americans it is $29K per person every year.

      It is plainly unaffordable.

    2. the Green Raw Deal will cost a lot more than that per person, since 90 percent of people will die when they take us back 3 centuries in technology.

      1. Which is really the endgame of those power-grabbing misanthropes.

        1. Trumpsters????

  5. I especially like the bit about Congress controlling the purse strings. When Obama’s budgets went up with a GOP House, it was Obama’s fault; when Trump’s budgets went up with a Dem House, it was Congress’s fault. The finger always points elsewhere.

    1. It just depends on which publications you read. Both sides can usually agree that it’s the other side’s fault.

      1. I blame the voters. Gary Johnson proposed a balanced budget and he got 3 percent of the vote.

        1. That wasn’t his problem. He ran a bad campaign, and had a horrible running mate.

          1. And his budget proposal was pandering and obviously wasn’t realistic, and he was spouting establishment views rather than libertarian ones on social issues.

            1. LIAR. Libertarians have ben fiscally conservative and socially liberal for over 50 years … which PISSES off you big government conservatives.

              Liberals want government out of your bedroom and into your wallet. Conservatives want government out of your wallet and into your bedroom (AND all the statist bigotry of Ron Paul and his ilk)

          2. And repeatedly threatened to throw Christians in jail for not baking gay cakes. Because individual rights are only for progs.

            1. That’s because the Christian Taliban are FRAUDS … seeking SPECIAL RIGHTS … which is WHY you are WHINING about wedding cakes … and NOT the totality of public accommodation laws.

              You SUCK at individual liberty, just as bad as what you call progs, on an issue you clearly know nothing about the PRINCIPLES involved.

              And so self-righteous.

        2. And Trump said it would be easy to balance the budget in 8 years. And almost every Republican runs on debt being a problem. Yet, here we are.

          1. And Trump said it would be easy to balance the budget in 8 years

            He was fucking crazier … promised to pay off the entire debt in 8 years …. instead, he’s already as bad, in three years, as Obama was AFTER eight years

        3. I blame the voters. Gary Johnson proposed a balanced budget and he got 3 percent of the vote.

          He had zero details, so it was as bullshit as Rand Paul’s.

          Trump was elected to provide massive SURPLUSES, to pay off the entire debt in 8 years. Instead, he’s far worse than even Obama’s debt. Obama inherited the second-worst economy in the past 75 years … and handed Trump the longest recovery ever, for an incoming President.

          An despite Trump’s smothering debt. his GDP growth is WORSE than Obama’s (Trump’s first three vs Obama’s final three) … and even new jobs are slower under Trump.

          Oh yeah, Trump proposes another unpaid tax cut to explode the debt even more! Trump’s New Deal is as abject a failure as FDR’s.

          What a total fucking failure.

  6. “This revelation—which has generated a scant 45 comments as of this writing on five days after publication—should discomfit both Republicans and Democrats and conservatives and liberals/progressives.”

    Why? If it did, they wouldn’t be any of those things.

  7. 1. Trump ain’t the one spending it.
    2. It ain’t getting spent on me.

    Other than that, great article.

    1. 1. Trump ain’t the one spending it.

      Pathetic denial

  8. “As important, given the massive amounts of waste, fraud, and abuse everyone agrees is rampant in government”

    While many people would agree the government spends too much money, the problem is we disagree on what should and what should not get funding. As a result, there is compromise to spend more on all, rather than compromise to spend less on all. And while the a diagnosis of the problem is easy, finding a solution is much harder. And if I could put in a plug for moderates it would be right now. Moderates believe in compromise and finding solutions. So vote for a moderates.

    1. Moderates are the biggest spenders and the worst authoritarians.
      At least the extremists agree on cutting military spending.

      1. Moderates are the biggest spenders??? Where is your proof? It seems to me that the debt has been rising and rising faster as the moderates disappear. It is the polarized extremist on the left and the right driving the debt. That is because solving problems is not their main concern, what they want is for the government validating their beliefs.

      2. I gotta agree.

        Moderates finding compromise on this would require that the extreme left thinks spending is out of control, so let’s cut defense… and the extreme right thinks spending is out of control so let’s cut social programs. Then the moderates can come in and make reasonable cuts to both.

        But that isn’t the case.

        The current state of being is that both parties are perfectly happy spending too much, and both think we need to spend even more. So a moderate has room to operate by negotiating compromises on how much more to spend on things that the parties disagree on, while the things they both agree on get even more spending.

        That hardly leads to fiscal responsibility. When nobody in the room is even trying to act like an adult, it really is hard to expect anyone to actually be the adult in the room.

      3. Military spending is the least of our problems, and is actually a legitimate expenditure by the federal government. Entitlements, and most other items in the federal budget are not.

        1. You might want to reread President Eisenhower’s last speech as President.

          1. So, Eisenhower was wrong, and entitlement spending is much higher than military spending? Oh, noes!

            1. Entitlements are most of the budget anymore. Defense is a tiny fraction.

              1. “Complaining about a problem, without posing a solution, is whining.”
                -Theodore Roosevelt

                1. No complaint was made in the comment to which you responded.

      4. At least the extremists agree on cutting military spending.

        Bullshit.

        1. So who do you think is going to protect you when China & Russia invade America for thanks to OBAMA cutting Military Spending drastically, the other 2 most powerful Countries have matched our Military or surpassed it with some of their new Tech. Plus why do expect men & woman to lay their lives down to fight for us & then handed out dated weapons or rusty ships ready to fall apart, to defend their lives with? Evidently you must be one who selfishly or cowardly has never been a military hero.

          1. So who do you think is going to protect you when China & Russia invade America for thanks to OBAMA cutting Military Spending drastically,

            I’m not as psycho as you. And libertarians have always known the difference between military and defense spending.

            the other 2 most powerful Countries have matched our Military or surpassed it with some of their new Tech. Plus why do expect men & woman to lay their lives down to fight for us & then handed out dated weapons or rusty ships ready to fall apart, to defend their lives with? Evidently you must be one who selfishly or cowardly has never been a military hero.

            You are bat-shit crazy. Dancing on puppets rings, a witless tool of the political elites.

            P.S. Your drooling rant had nothing to do with what I said.

    2. “While many people would agree the government spends too much money, the problem is we disagree on what should and what should not get funding…”

      There’s a sort of a ‘guide’ for that. It’s known as The Constitution. Nowhere does is suggest the fed gov’t spend a penny on medical care, for instance.

        1. “Promote the common welfare.” (snicker)

          And even Jefferson said the Constitution was “government by might, NOT by right.” Unless each generation gave “consent of the governed” to its constitution.

          You’re as big a thug as the “living constitution” left — DEMANDING your way, and FUCK the governed ,.. and your rule by consent of the dead,

          1. Kill yourself Hihn. Your life has no value and no one will ever love you.

            1. You always get nasty when you LOSE on the issue. (smirk)
              Your psychopathic hatred is something I’m proud to receive.

  9. If government spending was an investment we would not be running deficits.

    1. good point. that multiplier effect ain’t as large as promised.

    2. If government spending was an investment we would not be running deficits.

      HUH? When one “invests” in a house, one’s deficit explodes

      Too many ignorant slogans, from both the left and the right!

  10. “Despite all possible evidence, Republicans (conservatives) still like to insist that they are the adults in the room when it comes to the size, scope, and spending of the government.”

    Is the NYT comparing Trump’s most recent budget against numerous Democrat candidates’ proposals to spend on the Green New Deal, Medicare for All, and student loan forgiveness?

    I wish it were appropriate to compare the Republicans’ or Trump’s spending to the spending of an imaginary fiscal conservative, who only exists in the minds of well-meaning but misguided libertarians and the intellectually dishonest folks at the NYT. The NYT will say most anything to discourage people from voting to reelect President Trump. The idea that they’re legitimate fiscal conservatives is ridiculous.

    Where does the NYT stand on the issue of President Trump converting Medicaid to block grants so that states can add a work requirement and slash enrollment? If the Democrats aren’t proposing something similar (and Medicare for All is actually much worse), then they’re failing at fiscal conservatism even harder than President Trump.

    P.S. Where did Reason stand on Trump’s attempt to slash $772 billion from Medicare?

    That’s right. They opposed it because of what it didn’t do.

    https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52849

    Since World War II, no president has fought harder to slash spending on entitlements than Donald Trump.

    1. I love all of the “intellectual purity” when evaluating Trump’s budget, but cavalier disregard for the myriad of impossibly large spending increases being debated by the democrats.

      Would I write a more austere budget? Damn skippy. I’d manage to get myself impeached before lunch, no doubt. I’d put a strict constitutional test on every item in the budget – and guess what? Most of it wouldn’t pass that test. No need to even examine priorities at that point.

      Social security – no. Medicare – no. Medicaid – no. Welfare – no… Yeah, you are starting to get the picture that there’s no way a strict constitutional test can possibly be applied to our current budget. And I don’t just mean “it doesn’t pass muster”. I mean, it is absolutely, unequivocally, without possibility of contradiction, impossible to have a constitutional budget that the american people would accept without making huge changes to the constitution.

      You absolutely cannot cancel Social Security. Or medicare. Or medicaid. We are already deep in it by that point. But trying to do any of those things would get you lynched.

      So I suppose we are gonna have to accept that the constitution is going to be a “sometimes thing”, like cookies or cupcakes.

    2. “And we will always protect your Medicare, and we will always protect your Social Security. Always.”

      -Trump, SOTU

      1. Amusingly, this quotation does not show up in the official transcript. It only shows up when you search for a live transcription of what he actually said, not what his prepared remarks were.

        So this is what Trump totally ad-libbed into the speech.

        1. Do you be a point Pedo Jeffy? Or are you just taking a break from enabling child molesters to rape American children again?

      2. I actually had a typo up there.

        P.S. Where did Reason stand on Trump’s attempt to slash $772 billion from Medicare [Medicaid]?

        Far as I know, President Trump hasn’t proposed any cuts to Medicare or Social Security.

        Also, as far as I know, President Trump is the only president to propose and fight for cuts to Medicaid–and the willingness to cut an entitlement program not only puts him head and shoulders above the Democrats; it not only puts him head and shoulders above every Republican and Democrat president that’s come since Medicaid began; it also puts him above the Republicans in the House and Senate.

        1. Oh my God, Ken. Are we really going to go over this again?

          First of all, it was CONGRESS’ idea to cut Medicaid. Not Trump’s. Trump said he would sign anything that reached his desk. He just wanted a win. He hardly deserves credit for “fighting” for anything.

          Second of all, 2017 was the first time Team Red had full power to decide the fate of ObamaCare, and what did they do? They chose to keep it – but fund it with less money. Those are your vaunted cuts to Medicaid. It was ObamaCare-Lite. That is what Team Red CHOSE TO DO. After 8 fucking years of complaining that ObamaCare was socialism and was going to destroy America, in the end they chose to endorse it. No one in their right mind should be praising Republicans for not just their cowardice in not following through with their loudest campaign pledge, but their utter shameless grifting on the issue. No one except Team Red tribalists of course.

          Here is a clue Ken: THEY WERE NEVER OPPOSED TO OBAMACARE. They acted like the hysterical opposition to Obama just like Team Blue is now acting like the hysterical opposition to Trump. How do we know this? Because of what they chose to do once they finally had the opportunity. They deserve all the scorn possible for their utter duplicity. Stop carrying their water, Ken. They are not worth it.

          1. So you’re admitting that President Trump twisted arms in the Senate to cut $772 billion from Medicaid–and promised to sign that bill when it came to his desk–and now President Trump not only submitted a budget that would cut Medicaid–but is also fighting in the courts to use the powers Congress gave the president to turn Medicaid into block grants–so that the states can restrict the eligibility for Medicaid and cut costs that way . . .

            . . . and I’m NOT supposed to give President Trump credit for fighting to cut Medicaid–a socialist entitlement program?

            You’re not making any sense.

            President Trump’s efforts to cut Medicaid have gone far beyond anything any president has done before him, and some of his best efforts to cut were stymied by a Republican controlled Senate–and I’m not about to pretend otherwise.

            Meanwhile, the people in the Democratic Party who are pushing for The Green New Deal, Medicare for All, and student debt forgiveness are our of their freaking minds on the budget. The difference between Trump and the Democrat front runners on cutting entitlement spending is clear. And Trump is better than the Republicans in Congress on slashing entitlement spending, too. Just look at all the Senators who refused to vote to cut Medicaid.

            End of story.

            1. Trump didn’t twist anyone’s arms for anything. He was a passive bystander. He said he would sign anything.

              President Trump’s efforts to cut Medicaid

              … is the result of Republican fecklessness in breaking their loudest campaign promise to end ObamaCare. Period end of story. Only a complete Republican lickspittle can look at that and see anything but a complete cave.

              1. “Leading up to the series of health-care votes this week, Murkowski was the target of an aggressive persuasion campaign from members of the Trump administration — and the president himself.

                . . . .

                Trump tweeted on Wednesday morning: “Senator @lisamurkowski of the Great State of Alaska really let the Republicans, and our country, down yesterday. Too bad!” The president had called the day before to try to persuade Murkowski to support starting debate on health care, said Murkowski’s office. The senator told E & E News that “it was not a very pleasant call” but that she wasn’t swayed.

                [Caption from photo: Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) passes reporters as she leaves the Senate Chamber after voting ‘no’ on a measure to repeal parts of former president Barack Obama’s health care law Friday on Capitol Hill. (Cliff Owen/AP)]

                So on Wednesday, Trump dispatched Ryan Zinke, who as secretary of the Department of the Interior runs agencies that collectively control more than 55 percent of Alaska’s land, to make separate phone calls to Murkowski and the state’s other Senate Republican, Dan Sullivan. Zinke, the Alaska Dispatch News reported, implied that the interests of their state were at risk because of Murkowski’s health-care stance.

                “What the secretary shared with me was that the president was not pleased,” Murkowski told reporters Thursday, according to The Hill. “I think it’s very clear, based on my conversation with the secretary, that he was just sharing the concern that the president had expressed to him to pass on to me.”

                Despite the high-profile contacts, Murkowski not only opposed opening debate but also was one of three Republicans who voted against a bare-bones package Friday morning, dealing a final blow to the GOP health-care push.”

                —-Washington Post, July 28, 2017

                Murkowski was only one of the Republicans who either refused to support the repeal, the reform (which cut Medicaid by $772 billion) , or both, but she’s representative of the effort Trump put in to twist the arms of various Republican senators to vote for the bill in question. After all, repealing ObamaCare was one of his campaign promises, and he fought hard to deliver it. Once the effort was defeated (by Republicans) in the senate, he used the discretion ObamaCare gave him to get rid of as much of it as he could piece meal or by way of EOs.

                Regardless, it’s obvious that your free form opinions aren’t grounded in reality or facts. That’s presumably why people around here treat you like a laughing stock. Either you’re completely ignorant of the facts–or you’re just being dishonest. When the base case scenario explanation wise is that you have no idea what you’re talking about, don’t expect people to find you persuasive.

                You’re basically just telling us about your feelings. Try facts and logic sometime. People will laugh at you less.

                1. Trump: I’ll sign anything

                  https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/25/16025068/trump-tweets-health-care-bill-vote

                  He wasn’t “fighting” for anything but a win. If the bill had cut Medicaid by $10 billion, he would have signed it. IF the bill had cut Medicaid by $100 zillion, he would have signed it. If the bill had GROWN Medicaid but he could still sell it as a “win”, he would have signed it. He didn’t know squat about health policy and he didn’t care, all he wanted was the big W by his name.

                  That was what the arm twisting was about. Not to support some particular vision of health care reform. But to support whatever Trump will be able to claim credit for. Because it’s not about what actually happens, it’s about the image of Trump as a WINNER.

                  And it is completely telling that you are willing to overlook years and years of GOP duplicity and shameful lies about ObamaCare. Once again: they yelled for years that ObamaCare would be the death of us all, and then when they had the chance, they DIDN’T REPEAL IT. And you are evidently completely untroubled by this entire state of affairs. Way to go, Team Red Shill.

                  1. So you’ve walked away from the dishonest or ignorant claim that Trump didn’t twist arms in the Senate to get them to pass a bill that would have cut $772 billion from Medicaid, and you’re moving the goalposts to make the demonstrably false claim that Trump doesn’t really want to cut Medicaid?

                    LOL

                    “PPACA revised and expanded Medicaid eligibility starting in 2014. All US citizens and legal residents with income up to 133% of the poverty line, including adults without dependent children, would qualify for coverage in any state that participated in the Medicaid program. The federal government was to pay 100% of the increased cost in 2014, 2015 and 2016; 95% in 2017, 94% in 2018, 93% in 2019, and 90% in 2020 and all subsequent years.[78][79][80]”

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#Medicaid_expansion

                    ObamaCare’s primary reform was its expansion of Medicaid eligibility for able bodied adults. It added approximately 14 million to the Medicaid rolls. Undoing that expansion was the best reason to repeal ObamaCare completely. Everyone who wanted to repeal ObamaCare completely necessarily also wanted to slash the Medicaid eligibility it expanded–including candidate Trump, when he promised to fight to repeal it.

                    Meanwhile, If Trump doesn’t really want to cut Medicaid, why is he still doing his level best to cut it?

                    He fought to repeal it completely, which came to a head in six months after he took office.

                    When that failed, he fought to mostly just slash Medicaid spending in July of 2017 in the reform bill, as well–which I’ve documented above. In that effort, he fought to cut $772 billion from Medicaid.

                    Now, he’s converting Medicaid to block grants–which the Democrats are now fighting in the courts.

                    Now, Trump slashed Medicaid funding in last week’s budget proposal, too.

                    He doesn’t really want to cut eligibility or funding from the Medicaid program–he’s just been fighting to cut it from the day he was elected up to and including today . . . because he wants a win?

                    You’re either dishonest or stupid, and that’s not a personal attack–it’s a syllogism.

                    1) You would only ignore the demonstrated fact that Trump has twisted the arms of Republican senators to fight to cut Medicaid because you’re either ignorant or dishonest.

                    2) Trump has twisted the arms of Republican senators to fight to cut Medicaid.

                    —-Therefore, you are either ignorant or dishonest.

                    P.S. Since all of these facts have been accompanied by links to references, ignorance isn’t much of an explanation anymore.

                    1. ObamaCare’s primary reform was its expansion of Medicaid eligibility for able bodied adults

                      Typical raving bullshit of Ken Shultz (lol)

                    2. Hihn, Ken is a thousand times better than you on the best day of your life. You are poison to libertarianism, and the LP.

        2. cutting Medicaid is worse than cutting Medicare. Medicaid actually helps the needy. Medicare just helps the elderly, who are the richest cohort in the US.

          1. Opposing a good course of action because it isn’t perfect is irrational, foolish, absurd, and wrong.

            https://yandoo.wordpress.com/2013/12/10/perfect-solution-fallacy/

            Regardless, all socialist wealth redistribution programs should be pulled out by the roots. The fact that Medicaid is socialist welfare program based on wealth redistribution doesn’t make it better than Medicare. It makes it worse.

            Meanwhile, the reason more politicians don’t go after Medicare and Social Security is because it’s political suicide–far more so than going after Medicaid funding. Trump having the balls to go after Medicaid is impressive by itself. Expecting him to go after Medicare when there isn’t anyone in the House or Senate in either party who would support that at this time isn’t just idealistic. It’s childish.

          2. Selling them both off to private entities would be the BEST thing.

            My Medicare payment per month $700.00
            My Car Insurance payment per month $32.00

            If private entities could even come within 10-TIMES the governments premium – We’d be in GREAT shape. Plus; It would re-instate the Constitution, Individual Freedom and destroy a little piece of Communism.

            1. None of this will ever happen while there are any significant number of progressives. They are the root of nearly all our problems.

      3. Placing some fiscal responsibility, such as his block grant proposal, would help protect those programs. We need more thinking along that line. We will never eliminate these programs, at least not in my lifetime. But as soon as Trump proposed it all we got was the Democrats demagoguing. And are we surprised you are too?

        1. What am I demagoging? I am quoting Trump’s own words. Trump himself said he was not going to touch the two biggest entitlements. It puts the lie to Ken’s ridiculous claim that “[s]ince World War II, no president has fought harder to slash spending on entitlements than Donald Trump.”

          You know who actually did fight to cut spending on entitlements? George W. Fucking Bush did. He stuck his neck out trying to reform a system that he knew needed reform. Of course he got burned for it but he deserves a great deal of credit for trying. And I am by no means a Bush fan. He should have been impeached for the Iraq War debacle, the torture, the spying, all of it. But his proposal to reform Social Security was one of the few things he did right.

          What is Trump’s proposal to reform Social Security? Hmm? Oh wait he doesn’t have one.

          1. if only Bush had succeeded.

        2. “We will never eliminate these programs, at least not in my lifetime.”

          I appreciate your gradualism approach, and I agree that we should take any cut in Medicaid spending we can get.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpUMsK6h0-I

          I feel the same way about the income tax, the tax on corporate profits, and the capital gains tax. If we can’t get rid of any of them completely in one fell swoop, then we should still take every single cut in them we can get.

          When the federal government was confiscating 35% of corporate profits and redistributing them through government spending, it was effectively nationalizing 35% of American companies and redistributing that wealth. When President Trump slashed that tax from 35% to 21%, it’s like he privatized 12% of the productive economy–and set it free to enrich those companies’ employees, customers, and investors.

          Moral of the story, we take every small step we can get.

          That being said, I refuse to believe that we can’t get rid of Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security in our lifetimes–or the income tax, the corporate tax, and the capital gains tax!

          Doing those things would make American freer, wealthier, and would improve our quality of life–and average Americans should support getting rid of all those things for that reason.

          I remember when I thought the Soviet Union would never fall. I remember when people thought we’d never see gay marriage or recreational marijuana legalized in our lifetimes.

          My grandfather was born in the days of horse and buggy. When his father, who was a missionary to China, left for Shanghai, it took them months to get there. My grandfather was born in transit in Osaka, Japan, before Japan had opened up to the west. He thought the empire of China and the days of the warlords would never end. He thought he’d never live to see the Japanese chased out of Manchuria. He thought he’d never live to see the Soviet Union fall apart. Not only did he live to see that, he lived long enough to take a flight from San Francisco to Hong Kong in one day–rather than the months it used to take him to get there when he was a child.

          You don’t know what you’ll live to see.

          I hope and pray we all live to see a world where the American people realize that taxation and wealth redistribution are hurting us, and we’ll put it behind us like geocentric theory. Why can’t that happen? We have the facts, reason, and the truth on our side.

    3. Ken is ok with racism, employers abusing immigrants, and gets upset when Reason points out police abuse and racism. Remember that when he posts. Ken shows he’s ok with abuse as long as employers are free not to pay their debts.

      1. “Ken is ok with racism, employers abusing immigrants,…”

        Were you born this stupid and dishonest, or did you practice a long time to become so?

      2. Hihn, do you not understand that you are universally hated and disrespected here? Your comments are nothing more than an annoyance. You have ZERO credibility, and he only ting approaching a positive sentiment towards you is pity over what a pathetic senile nutcase you are.

        If you doubt me, look more closely. Does ANYONE hear display the slightest iota of anything other than loathing and ridicule towards you? Ever?

        The answer is no. Your energy is a complete waste here. Maybe you should give up and go elsewhere. Or kill yourself before you decline into a complete drooling vegetable. Either way, no one here will shed a tear for you.

        1. 1) You’re so fucking stupid, you think everyone who knows how crazy you are is named Hihn.

          2) I post for the majority of readers, who never comment in online forums, which would be libertarians here …. not the crazed right-wingers, like you, that Reason sucks up tom because Ron Paul.

          3) You’ve been stalking me with psychopathic hatred for over two years, ALWAYS pissed because I PROVE and you SCREECH.

          (sneer)

          1. The truth hurts, doesn’t it Hihn?

          2. Also, the people who never post think you’re a raving lunatic too.

            1. Also, the people who never post think you’re a raving lunatic too.

              THEN …. HOW WOULD YOU KNOW? (sneer)

              (This is how to prove YOU are the raving lunatic. Not just snarling stoopid comments. :-))

    4. no president has SAID he will cut entitlements more. then he flips his audience the bird and gets another bucket of KFC.

      1. States will have the ability to scale back Medicaid spending by converting part of their Medicaid funding into a block grant under a new Trump administration program announced Thursday.

        A letter to state Medicaid directors outlines how states can undertake the drastic, controversial change that conservatives have eyed for years.

        . . . .

        The program — branded as the “Healthy Adult Opportunity” — will allow states to ask permission to end their traditional, open-ended Medicaid program and put hard caps on how much money states and the federal government will spend on the poor and disabled.

        . . . .

        The block grant will apply to the ObamaCare Medicaid expansion population’s “able-bodied” people. Advocates argue this gives an incentive for GOP governors in expansion states to roll back benefits and spending.

        . . . .

        Medicaid is an open-ended entitlement, meaning the federal government matches a certain percentage of state spending, and the funding changes depending on how many people need coverage.

        The new block grant program lets states trade that away for more flexibility in how they run their program. States will get a fixed amount of money, regardless of outside circumstances.

        States will have the ability to spend it however they see fit, without some federal guidelines.

        For example, the program will allow states to impose work requirements, cut provider payments, and require cost sharing and premiums without additional permission from the federal government.

        —-The Hill, January 30, 2020

        https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/480650-trump-administration-to-allow-medicaid-block-grants

        Am I supposed to pretend that isn’t happening?

        The changes may be frozen by a judge while it winds its way through the courts, but that will be over President Trump’s objections and beyond his power–not because he’s saying one thing and doing another.

        The Senate’s failure to pass the $772 billion cuts to Medicaid in the bill he championed wasn’t because he said one thing and did another either. Trump’s cuts to Medicaid in the budget that was just presented may not be enacted by the Democrat dominated House, but that wont’ be because Trump bailed on what he said.

        1. … EXCELLENT NEWS!!!

        2. That’s because the authoritarian right is so fucking STUPID.

          :A letter to state Medicaid directors outlines how states can undertake the drastic, controversial change that conservatives have eyed for yea

          STATIST BULLSIT … SHITS ALL OVER FREE-MARKET OUTCOMES … WHICH YOU’RE TOO PIG-SELFISH TO UNDERSTAND … WHICH IS WHY PROGRESSIVES HAVE BEEN KICKING YOUR ASS FOR DECADES.,

          PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PAYING HEALTH CARE FOR THE INDIGENT SINCE THE 150Os, FREELY AND VOLUNTARILY … IT’S CALLED A FREE MARKET. GOMER.

          JUST PRIOR TO MEDICAID, IT WAS PROVIDED BY THOUSANDS OF CHARITY HOSPITALS ALL ACROSS AMERICA … FINANCED BY CHURCHES, CHARITIES, FOUNDATIONS AND FRATERNAL ORGANIZATIONS … WITH 100% TREATMENT FOR ALL WHO SHOWED UP

          MEDICAID WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PROGRESSIVE CON JOBS, “HEALTH CARE SHOULD BE A RIGHT, NOT CHARITY.” …. SO IT’S A RIGHT, BUT MEDICAID ELIGIBLES NOW HAVE THE HIGHEST UNINSURED RATE IN AMERICA … SO THE OBVIOUS SOLUTION … PROMOTED BY ACTUAL LIBERTARIANS IS … PRIVATIZE IT … EVERYONE GETS TO DO WHAT THEY CHOOSE …

          WHY DOES THAT VERY NOTION PISS OFF THE AUTHORITARIAN RIGHT? …. CONSUMER CHOICE! …. INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY! …. NOT YOUR DICTATORSHIP OF THE DUMBASSES

          DO THE MATH GOMER. IF BERNIE AND ELIZABETH ARE THE ONLY ONES CLAIMING TO PROVIDE WHAT WHAT AMERICANS HAVE ALWAYS WANTED, AND ALWAYS BEEN WILLING TO PAY FOR … WHO LOSES? ….. ****YOU DO**** … AND MOST AMERICANS.

          HOW DARE YOU DENY FREE CHOICE AND FREE MARKET OUTCOMES. THUG?

    5. P.S. Where did Reason stand on Trump’s attempt to slash $772 billion from Medicare?

      FUCKING LIAR. TRUMP REPEATEDLY SAYS HE WILL NEVER CUT MIDDLE-CLASS ENTITLEMENTS, SPECIFIALLCY, SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE … ONLY PROGRAMS FOR THE POOR, AND THOSE NIGGERS HE HATES /sarc

      That’s right. They opposed it because of what it didn’t do.

      Says the biggest liar on this board.

    6. I agree, except President John F Kennedy, who didn’t get the chance to change things. Because he was assassinated by the CIA, FBI, (Bush Sr. was head of the CIA operatives.) backed by the Deep State & the Italian Black Mafia.
      The Dems. in Congress fully support & push Agenda 21 whole heartedly, over throwing our Govt, to Socialism, & make themselves richer. Nancy Pelosi & Impeachment was all just a ACT for the Senate, had the power to stop it.
      President Trump is planning to bring charges against the privately owned Federal Reserve, for Breech of Contract & Crimes against Amer. citizens. which will abolish the Bk & prove the Deficit amount incorrect, & end what is owed by 3/4 of the amount. Just as JFK tried to do. Tell that to Mr. Liberty Truth Teller, whoops Liar I mean

      1. That’s a FABULOUS high! Who’s your dealer?

  11. Reason, whenever there’s a republican president and a democratic congress: “this republican president is the worst big spender ever.”

    Reason, whenever there’s a democratic president and a republican congress: “these republicans in congress are the worst big spenders ever.”

    Reason, whenever there’s a democratic president and congress: “………………………”

    Reason, on those rare occasions when a republican makes a serious effort to cut almost anything: “No, no, you can’t cut THAT!!! Just shut up and sign that budget already!!!!!”

    1. +NEA/NEH “rounding error”

    2. it’s not like the Republicans have any kind of track record to show they have anything to do with cutting spending. But the Dems running this time would make the worst big spending Republican look like Mr. Austerity.

    3. Psychos on the right are as stupid/brainwashed as those on the left .. at inventing psychotic bullshit out of thin air. Witless tools of the political elites,

      Shameless lies. Total lack of conscience and moral values.

      1. Everyone should just flag your comments on sight.

        1. WHY DO YOU OPPOSE FREE MARKET OUTCOMES AND CONSUMER CHOICE?.

          WHY DO YOU AUTHORITARIAN ASSHOLES OPPOSE PRIVATIZATION … THE WAY AMERICANS PROVIDED UNIVERSAL TREATMENT FOR OVER A CENTURY … PAID FOR FREELY AND VOLUNTARILY?

          WHO ARE YOU TO DENY INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY, FASCIST?

          1. Flagged.

            1. WHY HAS THE AUTHORITARIAN RIGHT BEEN BURNING BOOKS FOR CENTURIES, AND OPPRESSING OPPOSNG VIEWS … LONG BEFORE THE PRECIOUS SNOWFLAKES ON THE LEFT???

              WHY DO YOU OPPOSE FREE MARKET OUTCOMES AND CONSUMER CHOICE?.

              WHY DO YOU AUTHORITARIAN ASSHOLES OPPOSE PRIVATIZATION … THE WAY AMERICANS PROVIDED UNIVERSAL TREATMENT FOR OVER A CENTURY … PAID FOR FREELY AND VOLUNTARILY?

              WHO ARE YOU</I? TO DENY INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY, FASCIST?

              (SNEER)

      2. You need to read the Ugly history of the Left/Demoncrats. They were the KKK, they voted for Slavery, like they want now,by giving free Medicare for all pay off Student Education Loans for all, more welfare, for Illegal aliens. So the they can say “IF YOU DON’T do as we say, we will take ot all away. SOCIALISM.They stopped the voting of blacks for years. It was the republicans who were Pro Blacks Rights.
        Republicans want the lazy ass frauders off Entitlements & put the American People before Illegal Aliens/Non Citizens. They want Amer. Citizens to have a sense of pride & achievement by being independent of Govt. control, not citizens who would sell their soul for Govt.free bees.
        Read your Bible, how do you think satan is going to get everyone to take His mark (666) by making it impossible to by anything with out a number (CHIP with bar codes implanted in your right hand)
        stopping you from buying food water etc. or selling it. Why do you think stores like Walmart have been created. It’s call the New World Order. Super Corp, no small business for you won’t be allowed to work for yourself…YOU will work for them in factories as CHINA is a perfect ex. When robotics takes over there will be no use for YOU, so what do you think will happened to YOU then? The Bible says is NWO is evil & Jesus is the only 1 to be dominate over the earth. You better start researching for you’ve got it all wrong!

        1. But TRUMP is the LYING SACK OF SHIT President, who LIED about the Charlottesville mass assaults, to protect his fellow neo-nazis and white nationalists. And here’s the PROOF, loser.

          4 men charged in violent Charlottesville rally described as ‘serial rioters’

          Three members of a white supremacist group were sentenced to prison Friday for kicking, choking and punching multiple people during the 2017 “United the Right” rally in Charlottesville and other rallies in California. The three were members of the California-based militant white supremacist organization “Rise Above Movement.”

          A fourth defendant, Cole Evan White, will be sentenced at a later date, the attorney’s office said.

          “These defendants, motivated by hateful ideology, incited and committed acts of violence in Charlottesville, as well at other purported political rallies in California,” U.S. Attorney Thomas T. Cullen said.

          “They were not interested in peaceful protest or lawful First Amendment expression; instead, they intended to provoke and engage in street battles with those that they perceived as their enemies.”Trump is a disgrace to our Lord Jesus Christ. And so are you.

  12. Can I get my $14k back? I feel like I didn’t really get a good value for it last year.

    1. If ever we get a REAL Constitutional Judiciary… Like the one that existed before FDR. You could repeal all that spending by marking it UN-Constitutional. That was suppose to be the greatness in this ‘Republic’ instead of the ‘mob’ rule we see in the ever growing fad of calling it a Democracy.

      1. Even Thomas Jefferson said you’re full of shit … screeching for a “government of might, NOT of right.”

        Jefferson was still in Paris for the Constitutional Convention, but he sent a lengthy letter to Madison, opposing the goal of a “perpetual constitution” — because the Articles of Confederation had lasted less than 20 years ,… which Jefferson thought was appropriate. “The earth belongs to the living.”

        He had obviously evolved a lot on “consent of the governed” and OPPPOSED the authoritarian rule YOU would impose … consent of the long dead. BY WHAT RIGHT???

        Where, in your autocratic mind, can you justify ANY generation binding future generations to even ONE PENNY of debt? …. or imposing a government, WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT?

        All the right-wing BABBLE about “constitutional conservatism” is just as AUTHORITRARIAN as left-wing babble about a “living constitution.” BOTH statist thugs seek to DICTATE a constitution WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED … what THEY (the authoritarians) dick-tate.

        By what fucking right?
        NONE.
        Go away.

  13. do we really need to be shelling out $14,652 per person, per year?

    Obviously we need to be shelling out considerably more, given all the people living paycheck-to-paycheck with massive student debt and unable to afford their insulin.

    1. The bogeyman will just take it and he’ll also take the insulin.

    2. …Along with their new car, new house, new lawn, multiple entertainment channels, unlimited cellphone, gambling at the local track and weekends at the bar….

      99% of the time the “Living paycheck-to-paycheck” symptom is but a consequence of personal decisions and the inability to accept responsibility for those decisions.

      1. Yeah, but the rich are subsidizing half YOUR income tax.
        And Trump’s tax cuts full YOUR pockets by stealing from your own children and grandchildren — without their vote. But you’re “entitled,” right?

        1. You really need to stop entertaining the idea that “Not Stealing” = “Giving”.

          1. NOW HE SAYS TRUMP’S SOARING DEBT

            A) DOES *NOT* MEAN **STEALING** FROM HIS OWN CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN … WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT … INSTEAD …

            wait for it …. (snort)

            B) THEY ARE **GIVING** HIM THEIR MONEY …. WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT!!!!!!

            THIS is the intelligence of Trump’s core base. SCARY!

            ****BECAUSE
            ****THEY’RE
            ****ENTITLED!!

            99% of the time the “Living paycheck-to-paycheck” symptom is but a consequence of personal decisions and the inability to accept responsibility for those decisions.

            AS *HE* REFUSES RESPONSIBILITY FOR *HIS* DECISIONS … THE ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY …. SUCKING OFF THE RICH … TRUMP’S NEW DEAL!

            (walks away laughing hysterically)

  14. Because the government spends $14,652 per person, does not mean I am getting a benefit of $14,652. The government spends a lot more on some than others, some pay a lot more than the government spends on them, and I disagree with many, many, many government programs, some that even benefit me.

    1. And every bit of it is subsidized by the millionaires and billionaires.

      1. Well that’s some B.S. but even if it wasn’t… Of which the “subsidizing bill” is actually transferred down to the employee’s and workers during their lay-offs and pay-cuts.

        You don’t seem to realize that the only Millionaire’s and/or Billionaires that exist without a corresponding and equally as great HUMAN VALUE are those legally put their by gun-enforced socialistic laws socialist and communistic leaders have passed.

        Gun-enforced law enables the “rich” to “steal” from the poor by legal favor (i.e. gov picked winner vs looser). Free-market without gun-enforced winner-looser laws don’t have the option of gathering more wealth than the summation of HUMAN VALUE they GIVE!

        1. And if anyone or any employee of a multi-billion corporations disagrees with that then…… I invite them to feel FREE to explain to all of us exactly why their “LeftyAgendaEbay.com” company couldn’t offer humanity enough VALUE to make themselves wealthy.

          1. COWARDLY DIVERSION …. RUNS AWAY FROM THE ISSUE …

            *****GOVERNMENT SPENDING IS SUBSIDIZED BY MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES …. WHO SUBSIDIZE NEARLY HALF OF TJJ2000’S TAX BURDEN

            ****SO … TJJ2000 IS SLURPING BILL GATES DICK … AND LINING HIS POCKETS WITH MONEY **STOLEN** FROM HIS OWN CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN, WITHOUT THEIR VOTE OR CONSENT

            A) It’s liberals who have him sucking off Bill Gates.

            B) BUT IT’S TRUMP who has him sucking off his own children and grandchildren, SHAMELESSLY
            *LEFT – RIGHT = ZERO

            *****PROOF
            *****NO BRAINWASHED BABBLING BY THE UNIFORMED

            ACTUAL share” of taxes, core middle class, all in $billion

            REPORTED INCOME = $8,426B total personal income tax
            $40,000 to $49,999…..$422
            $50,000 to $74,999…..1,111
            $75,000 to $99,999…..1,067
            TOTAL………………2,601….30.9% of personal income)

            INCOME TAX PAID $1,218 all income levels)
            $40,000 to $49,999….31 billion
            $50,000 to $74,999….95
            $75,000 to $99,999….102
            TOTAL…………….294….(18.8% of personal income taxes)

            18.8%/30.9% = 60.8%. the ENTIRE core middle class pays only 61% of their own share of taxes. Who subsidizes the other 30%, Venezuelans? (smirk)

            Now divide the other way. 32.3/20.9 = 155% – 100% = 55%. The ENTIRE core middle class must pay an income tax increase of 55% …. JUST TO PAY ITS OWN WAY!

            All on reported income. Biggest exemptions also target the middle class, which takes the subsidy over 50%

            Simple math. Original IRS data. Indisputable.
            Trumptard loses BIGLY … again … after RUNNING from the issue.

        2. Correcting A.O.C.’s BS — “You don’t EARN a Million by pointing guns at people (law enforcement) and stealing it (taxing). You EARN it by offering people something of VALUE of which will entice their FREE-WILL decision to give up some of their time(i.e. labor) for that VALUE.”

          1. COWARDLY DIVERSION
            MEMORIZED SLOGANS FROM HIS PUPPETMASTER

          2. Cowardly TJJ2000 SNEAKS down here … because he made a total fool of himself above
            https://reason.com/2020/02/16/how-much-more-should-trump-be-spending-on-you/#comment-8135958

            And to punish me for speaking Truth to Power.

          3. How crazy are they? (smirk)

            By pointing guns at people (law enforcement) and stealing it (taxing).

            HYSTERIA
            1) Taxes are NOT theft.
            2) A 1040 is NOT a gun.

            And you’re full of shit. If you absolutely cannot accept our Constitution … and “consent of the governed” …. you have the FREEDOM …
            to emigrate.

            YOUR TRIBE ARE NOT AUTHORITARIAN DICK-TATORS!!!
            DESPITE ALL YOUR WHINING.

        3. FUCKING PSYCHO LIAR … NOW SPOUTS PROGRESSIVE BULLSHIT OMFG

          Gun-enforced law enables the “rich” to “steal” from the poor by legal favor (i.e. gov picked winner vs looser).

          SUCKER … IGNORANT …. BRAINWASHED BY BERNIE AND ELIZABETH

          ****RAVING MANIAC ON ON “GUN-ENFORCED” LAW

          ****FULL OF SHIT: THE RICH SUBSIDIZE ROUGHLY HALF OF HIS TOTAL SHARE OF THE PERSONAL INCOME TAX.
          https://reason.com/2020/02/16/how-much-more-should-trump-be-spending-on-you/#comment-8137202

          Right-wingers be brainwashed puppets … no better than Bernie’s Bros … witless tools of the political elites.

          Pathetic. SCREAMING on things they know NOTHING about.
          Tribalism

  15. This reads as an indictment of Trump, with “a pox on both houses” tossed in. But it doesn’t list what actual actions Trump took to make that $1,441 increase happen.

    In fact, the details that are listed are all out of his control – except defense. That accounted for $171 of that. The rest is formulaic. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security….. those things just follow formulas.

    At the end there’s a “dem candidates want to spend even more” little nugget just tossed in, without further elaboration.

    But reason has elaborated on this elsewhere. The “even more” isn’t a grand over 4 years. It is 50% more, at the low end. At the high end it was 150% more.

    So, yeah. Everybody spends to much. But in 2020 there is a stark contrast at the ballot box, between spending too damn much on the one hand, and spending enough to break the nation in just a few years on the other hand.

    I couldn’t find the article from the early debates that totaled up all their spending proposals – but basically they were all in the “at least double” ballpark.

    https://reason.com/2020/01/29/presidential-candidates-promise-freebies-for-everyone/

    This one totals up proposals just on single topics. Sanders alone manages to tally up $5 trillion in new spending in that roundup. And these are new spending proposals – which mean they all come on top of whatever increases they have for old spending – which is now approaching $5 trillion.

    So complaining about adding $1400 to per capita spending over 4 years is fine and dandy – but let’s put it in context. The competition is saying that 10 times that number is not nearly enough.

    At some point ya gotta stop playing word games and plant your flag in the ground. The choice this time around is between really stupid and absolutely suicidal. Take really stupid. It isn’t a close call. Really stupid is actually proving out to be better than clean and articulate as well as dumb and inarticulate but conventional.

    1. The choice this time around is between really stupid and absolutely suicidal. Take really stupid. It isn’t a close call.

      Or, don’t endorse either tribe.

      If you continue to vote for “really stupid”, you’ll continue to get more of “really stupid”.

      1. Ah… so true.. so true….
        I have, in point of fact, spent quite a bit of time, money and energy on giving both the Giant Douche party and the Turd Sandwich party the middle finger. But this time around, the immortal words of Neil Peart are apropos:

        If you choose not to decide
        You still have made a choice

        1. Yeah, and the correct choice is not to endorse either one. If that means not voting at all for president then so be it. At least in my view, my vote isn’t about choosing the least bad option. It is choosing an option that I can affirmatively support with a clear conscience. I cannot with a clear conscience support either Bernie’s socialism-lite, or Trump’s reality-TV clownshow.

          1. good choice.

            I doubt many who are not from the left are going to follow your “suppress the vote” example this time around. After watching what they have become over the last few years, anyone who is not enamored of a Trotskyite future is going to be highly motivated to avoid that fate.

          2. Yeah, and the correct choice is not to endorse either one.

            ‘Endorse’? Who said ‘endorse’?

            You stick your finger in the dike because the alternative is being drowned in a flood. You’re not ‘endorsing’ the idea of repairing dikes with fingers. You are stopping the worst from happening for as long as you can.

            But I have to say, I don’t like that analogy for this election.

            THAT was 2016.

            Now, someone’s driven a bulldozer up to the dike and is keeping it whole with the blade. Meanwhile, behind the bulldozer they’re building a dam. It’s not a perfect dam, but it should hold long enough to get a good one built.

            That’s one choice. The one you’re calling ‘really stupid’.

            The other choice is the folks hacking at the dike, beating on the bulldozer with hammers, and trying to smash the dam.

            1. Sorry, but I don’t buy the hysteria anymore.

              ItS ThE MoSt ImPoRtAnT ElEcTiOn Of OuR LiFeTiMe!1!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!

              It is not a “Flight 93” election. It is not “sticking our fingers in the dike”. It is just another election between two statists. And I refuse to endorse either one. I am done with the whole fearmongering crap.

          3. Pedo Jeffy, you’re a Canadian college student from Toronto. Who most likely voted for Trudeau. Quit pretending you’re American, and don’t hav your sock make ludicrous claims about having served in the US military.

            1. SAYS THE CRETIN WHO WAS ACTUALLY CONVICTED OF PEDOPHILIA … TWICE … ALWAYS ATTACKS PERSONS … ALWAYS A CHICKEN-SHIT ON ACTUAL ISSUES … THE THUGGERY OF AUTHORITARIAN RIGHT.

              A PROUD LOSER ON **ideas** AND **principles** (having neither)

              1. I don’t fuck kids Hihn. Whereas Pedo Jeffy is on record supporting the unrestricted movement of illegals who are child rapists in the US.

                So fuck you, you lying piece of shit. And if anyone is diddlimg kids, it’s going to be you. You palsied buggerer of schoolboys.

                1. YOU’VE BEEN CONVICTED, TWICE. I POSTED THE CASE NUMBERS.

                  YOU’RE A CRAZY, LYING, SACK OF SHIT ON JEFF … AND EVERYONE TARGETED BY YOUR CRAZED HATRED AND SUPPRESSION.

                  ONE SICK FUCK,

      2. chemjeff radical individualist
        February.16.2020 at 6:46 pm
        “…Or, don’t endorse either tribe…”

        …’cough’…

        1. So why do you slurp Trump’s cock?

    2. “This reads as an indictment of Trump, with “a pox on both houses” tossed in. But it doesn’t list what actual actions Trump took to make that $1,441 increase happen…”

      Yes.
      In print media, the writer does not write the headline; there are specialists for that.
      I have no idea how Reason handles that issue, but this is either click-bait ‘orange man bad’ or an expression of the jacket’s TDS.
      Either way, it is at best dishonest.

      1. BTW, based on the podcasts, the rest of the reason writers have such a case of TDS that when the Jacket mildly rebukes their overreaches, they’ve decided that this is proof that he’s a Trump supporter.

        No, really.

    3. Obama years…..deficit was coming down from post bust hi to $400B his last year.

      growth good, unemployment getting better. stocks up, salaires increasing along same rate.

      then Trump and defense increases and tax cuts.

      1. No matter how many times you Mofobama scumbags repeat this lie, it is still a lie. The debt increased by nearly a trillion dollars in his last year in office.

        1. YOU ARE TOTALLY FULL OF SHIT. AGAIN.
          IN THREE YEARS, TRUMP HAS ADDED AS MUCH 8-YEAR DEBT (CBO 2024 FORECAST) THAN OBAMA ADDED AFTER 8 YEARS ,… WITH WORSE RESULTS.

          GDP DECLINED last year, and Trump’s 3 years have SLOWER GDP growth than Obama’s final three. And Trump created FEWER jobs.

  16. You know how averages work, right?
    That’s an average. None is spent on me, because I’m a net contributor.
    Every day, 1000’s and 1000’s of low-skilled, low IQ, third worlders enter the country, mostly illegally, and find a way (often guided by traitorous leftwingers and socialists) to latch on to the pubic teat.
    That number grows every day. So of course the average grows and has nothing to do with Trump, who has been the only one in the last 50 years that has done anything to stop the invasion.

    1. can you provide an example? names and dates please.

      or show us the average cost of the illegal?

      1. It tracks mathematically. He’s spot on.

        1. ANOTHER MASSIVE FAIL! — BY THE CRAZED TRUMPTARD!!!

          can you provide an example? names and dates please.

          or show us the average cost of the illegal?

          It tracks mathematically. He’s spot on.

          BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
          (sneer)

    2. the biggest suckers on the public teat are wealthy defense contractors.

      1. Actually, the middle-class is now the biggest teat-slurpers.

  17. How much money is Trump/Sanders willing to spend? The answer is obvious — all of it.

    1. Well, that’s objectively false. We already spend 50% more than all of it. And if Sanders gets in, it would be 300% of “all of it”, even with his plans for the confiscation of wealth.

      But who knows? We’ve been way beyond what people said was “sustainable deficits” for many a decade now, and so far we don’t even have rampant inflation and soaring interest rates. Who is to say that blowing $3 trillion or $5 trillion more than we have will be any worse? Maybe none of it actually matters. Maybe there really is a magic fairy.

      1. Yeah, we’ll have to go conquer Canada or something.

    2. Trump is bad from a spending perspective, but Sanders (or any of the Dems) would be much, much worse.

      1. What is Trump to do? Risk reelection right now on a budget fight he can’t possibly win? I don’t like the current spending levels anymore an you do, but we need a significant voting block in congress, plus new congressional leadership to get anything done.

        1. (snort) The spending was TRUMP’S deal with Dems!
          His own party voted against it.
          REALITY BITES YOUR ASS AGAIN.

  18. “ How Much More Should Trump Be Spending on You” — _Trump_ isn’t spending anything on anyone. This isn’t his personal money.

    1. he spent plenty on his vacation and AF1 flyover to Daytona, and his victory lap in the limo.

    2. _Trump_ isn’t spending anything on anyone. This isn’t his personal money.

      Nobody said it was!

      HE’S THE WORST PRESIDENT ON DEBT — EVER — WHICH MEANS HE’S STEALING MONEY FROM YOUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS … WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT … TO LINE YOUR POCKETS.

      HOW CAN YOU SCREW YOUR OWN KIDS, TO ENRICH YOURSELF?

  19. If we want the Fed to spend $14k per person, then (ignoring borrowing and inventing money) we need to send the Fed $14k per person. If we tax only working age people, then they each need to send in $22k. Take out true students and gimps, and it is probably closer to $30k.

    So how can anyone say the current tax system is “not fair”? Unless someone is paying $30k in federal taxes they are dodging their social responsibility, right? (Of course, I also think the tax system is not fair, since we do not have a straight up head tax.)

    1. Agree head tax is the fair tax. And things would be quite a bit different

      1. Fucking stupid.

        WOULD DOUBLE THE TAXES ON THE MIDDLE CLASS.

  20. From the article: “It’s true that much in the hikes (and cuts) can’t be attributed fully or even partly to Trump. Congress, after all, controls the purse strings, and the budget for 2017 was set before Trump
    assumed office.”
    Compare to the headline “How Much More Should Trump Be Spending on You?”

    1. See above; Nick’s TDS or a headline writer’s try for click-bait?

    2. and the budget for 2017 was set before Trump assumed office.”By which party? (lol)
      WHO proposed the deficit-EXPLODING tax cuts?
      WHO signed the biggest increased debt EVER?
      WHY do you say Trump is POWERLESS?

  21. In the 10th year of an economic expansion that each party wants to take credit for, shouldn’t welfare payments of all sorts be dropping

    You just said SNAP was down more than Medicaid was up. That’s a net drop in welfare (a.k.a. means-tested benefit) spending. If you want to add Obamacare credits in, it’s about even.

    It should be no surprise that health care inflation more than makes up for any drop in spending when a Medicaid recipient gets private insurance. But aside from that, welfare spending seems to be down, according to this article.

  22. Where is my check?

    Just got an official looking thing in the mail asking me to give Donald Trump money.

    A self proclaimed billionaire wants my money.

    1. “…A self proclaimed billionaire wants my money…”
      You don’t have to vote for Bloomie or Steyer.

      1. I am going to vote for Giant Meteor.

  23. God
    Dumb fucking article which means it’s the norm for Nick.

    One of the posters above had a great idea.

    Look at every budget item and test it versus the constitution. Of course besides defense most of it wouldn’t pass the test,

    That’s the problem Nick. But there is zero support to do such a text and truly reduce the budget.

    So that being reality Nick how does Trump match up let’s say vs Bernie. Do that article

    But you won’t because you’re a partisan hack or just a fucking moron take your pick.

    1. One of the posters above had a great idea. … But there is zero support

      Then it’s a fucking stupid idea! 🙂

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  25. More. MUCH MUCH MORE!!

    Trump’s giant cod piece being erected on the southern border is weak and unbefitting such a monumental man. The do-nothing Democrats have limited the walls effectiveness; people can climb over it, cut through it, and dig under it.

    Therefore I propose a 500% tax increase on the bottom 99% of income earners in order to construct a solid concrete wall 1000′ high and 20′ thick, covered with autonomous machine gun turrets to shoot anything climbing it, and extending 1000′ underground, and surrounded by nuclear land mines, a moat of acid, and an army of Cyberdyne model T-1000 terminators.

    Now that willing stop those god damned filthy mex… err, illegal immigrants from getting in once and for all.

    And now before you say ‘this isn’t feasible’, or ‘that’s dumb’, or ‘some of those things don’t even exist’… well, consider how realistic and reasonable it is compared to other Trump policies.

    1. ^^^THIS!

  26. Eh, its not like Reason is immune to being okay with the government spending on things they like.

    Government funded abortions? Great

    Welfare for illegals? Great

    Museums and arts and crap? Great

    1. Government funded abortions? Great

      Lying cocksucker

      Welfare for illegals? Great

      Lying sack of shit.

      Museums and arts and crap? Great

      Drooling psychopath.

  27. When did Barron suddenly become 6’5″?

    1. It’s like Walt from ‘Lost’. Kid shot up a foot during the season hiatus.

  28. to be sure, spending on defense went up $171. that is taxpayer money to union employees and defense contractor CEO’s.

    increases to SS, MC/ MC went to people who don’t make much money. And we pay into these programs so the numbers quoted aren’t net.

    1. Medicare goes to people that don’t make a lot of money? That’s ridiculous. It’s not means tested at all. It’s simply age tested.

      1. In fact, the money is taken from young people who haven’t had much time to make money and given to old people who had their entire lives to earn and save money to pay for their own old age.

        It’s as regressive as it gets.

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    Huh? Independents love more government spending, just like Republicans and Democrats.

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  36. Well I’m paying a lot more than that in taxes, so they’ve got some catching up to do.

    Here’s my plan to control the runaway budget: change to a per capita tax. Take the federal spending (about 4.8 trillion this year), and divide by the number of adults (say 240 million). That’s 20,000 each. No more form 1040, no more deductions, just send in the cash. If you want to propose new spending plans, everyone’s taxes will go up equally.

    1. and only net taxpayers get to vote

      1. You need no “and” there. If only net taxpayers could vote, US politics would return to fiscal responsibility and small government pretty much instantly.

        It will never happen.

        1. The same middle class whose taxes are 50% subsidized by the rich?
          “Fairy tales can come true; it can happen to you; if your dumb at heart …”

    2. Good idea. It would certainly put an end to tolerance for government bloat and waste. Which would bring that $20k each number down a lot.

      1. Not sure about that. People are greedy and selfish. They will vote to spend on stuff they care about and against what they don’t. You can see it on the local level easily. Dog owners want a dog park. Parents want better schools. Business owners want better parking and transportation, and so on.

        All politicians do is pick the issues they think will get them the most votes. The Political Realists of the Chicago school realized that there was only one common factor in analyzing politics. Power. That is it.

        Nobody who wants to be president should get the job because you have to be a crazy SOB to want it. Libertarians know this which is why we want a small limited government.

        1. “realized that there was only one common factor in analyzing politics. Power. That is it.” — Well stated.

          Perhaps someday (when a small government exists) the populace will finally realize truth in that —
          Value = Wealth
          Power = Justice
          Trying to make ‘Power’ = ‘Wealth’ is the exact same as pulling a gun and robbing a bank and ‘Justice’ just goes out the window.

    3. Here’s my plan to control the runaway budget: change to a per capita tax.

      How nice. Lots of other people have plans. How are you going to get that through Congress?

    4. How will you get elected … by doubling taxes on the middle-class and retirees … who are most likely to vote?

      Or … how large is your armed revolution to a dick-tatorship?

  37. How Much More Should Trump Be Spending on You?

    TDS at Reason seems to have resulted in people not understanding how the budget process works.

    Trump isn’t deciding how to spend, Congress is. FFS, they just tried to impeach him over not spending money fast enough.

    Blame Pelosi, not Trump.

    1. “they just tried to impeach him over not spending money fast enough.”

      LOL… The TRUTH presented right out in the open!
      I dare say Trump’s budget cutting and regulation cutting has been the biggest uproar from the left.

      1. Delusional rambling of a manipulated robot.

        1. Need to get you involuntary committed to an insane asylum and have you subjected to daily shock treatments. Between that and massive doses of Thorazine, you will no longer be an annoyance.

          1. MORE SUPPRESSION BY THE AUTHORITARIAN- RIGHT THUG.
            STALKING ME FOR OVER TWO YEARS … HE’S STILL A FUCKING FAILURE.
            AND STILL BELLOWING.

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  45. The analysis is ridiculous and unfair, because it uses averages. If someone gets a million dollars, and I get $2000, then our average intake is $498,000. The rich are getting 90% of the welfare, and the poor the remaining 10%, while the middle class gets royally screwed. Stop giving money to the rich, and we would have plenty left for the rest of us.

    1. Brainwashed proggies. The rich subsidize nearly half the entire share of the personal income tax for the core middle class ($40k-100k)

      Average tax rates
      Obama’s $50,000 teacher = 13% (Buffett Rule)
      Millionaires and Billionaires = 28%

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