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Fake News

This Professor's List of 'Fake News' Sites Goes Predictably Wrong

How did sites like Breitbart and Red State get included?

Scott Shackford | 11.17.2016 12:30 PM

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When a rash of news stories and analysis suggested that Facebook has a "problem" with "fake news" from pretend media outlets and wondered if something needed to be done about it, I warned about the potential consequences. In short: If Facebook were to decide to start censoring the sharing of "fake news," there would be a scramble to define what "fake" was in a way that could lead to censorship of other content.

It turns out the attempt to broaden the definition of "fake news" is already happening.

In a way, describing Assistant Professor Melissa Zimdars' list of online outlets to be wary of as a list of "fake news" sites is itself a little misleading. But that is how the non-fake news outlets are describing her work. Zimdars, a communications professor at Merrimaack College in Massachusetts, put together a list of what she calls "False, Misleading, Clickbait-y, and/or Satirical 'News' Sources.'"

Only two of those modifiers suggest actual faked news—"false" and "satirical." The other two words are judgment calls that we make ourselves as readers. Nevertheless, reporting is describing Zimdars' work as a list of "fake news" sites. And there are now web browser extensions that create pop-ups to warn visitors when they're looking at stories from one of these sites. This one by Brian and Feldman at New York Magazine uses Zimdars' list as a foundation.

But Zimdars' list is awful. It includes not just fake or parody sites; it includes sites with heavily ideological slants like Breitbart, LewRockwell.com, Liberty Unyielding, and Red State. These are not "fake news" sites. They are blogs that—much like Reason—have a mix of opinion and news content designed to advance a particular point of view. Red State has linked to pieces from Reason on multiple occasions, and years ago I wrote a guest commentary for Breitbart attempting to make a conservative case to support gay marriage recognition.

So what happens if Facebook staff were to look at Zimdars' list and accept it and decide to censor the sharing of headlines from these sites? It's within Facebook's power and right to do so, but it would be a terrible decision on their end. They wouldn't just be preventing the spreading of factually incorrect, fabricated stories. They would be blocking a lot of opinionated analysis from sites on the basis of their ideologies. The company would face a backlash for such a decision that could impact their bottom line.

Reporting on the alleged impact of fake news on the election is itself full of problems. BuzzFeed investigated how well the top "fake" election news stories performed on Facebook compared to the top "real" election news stories. The fake stories had more "engagement" on Facebook than stories from mainstream media outlets. There's basic problems with this comparison—engagement doesn't mean that people read the stories or even believed them (I know anecdotally that when a fake news story shows up in my feed, the "engagement" is often people pointing out that the story is fake).

There's also a problem when you look at the top stories from mainstream media outlets—they tend toward ideologically supported opinion pieces as well. Tim Carney over at The Washington Examiner noted that two of the top three stories are essentially opinion pieces:

Here's the top "Real News" stories: "Trump's history of corruption is mind-boggling. So why is Clinton supposedly the corrupt one?" As the headline suggests, this is a liberal opinion piece, complaining that the media doesn't report enough on Trump's scandals.

No. 2 is "Stop Pretending You Don't Know Why People Hate Hillary Clinton." This is a rambling screed claiming that people only dislike Clinton because she is a woman.

So in an environment where "fake news" is policed by third parties that rely on expert analysis, we could see ideologically driven posts from outlets censored entirely because they're lesser known or smaller, while larger news sites get a pass on spreading heavily ideological opinion pieces. So a decision by Facebook to censor "fake news" would heavily weigh in favor of the more mainstream and "powerful" traditional media outlets.

The lack of having a voice in the media is what caused smaller online ideology-based sites to crop up in the first place. Feldman noted that he's already removed some sites that he believes have been included "unfairly" in Zimdars' list. His extension also doesn't block access to any sites in any event. It just produces a pop-up warning.

But Zimdars' list is a very important reminder that once we start talking of trying to stop the spread of "fake" news, what's actually going to happen is going to bad very quickly. These decisions of what is and is not fake will not stay defined to factual accuracy. And it will be based on somebody else's idea of what is and isn't fake, and the biases that come from such analysis.

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  1. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

    Is HuffPo on the list? How about WaPo? Those are two websites that are more blogs than news.

    1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

      WaPo's "PostEverything" is as equally as partisan-batshit as anything you might find on Breitbart.

      1. Alice Adderton   9 years ago

        WaPo used to be known as "Pravda on the Potomac" back in the day.

        1. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

          Yes, WaPo was always liberally biased. But in the past, the articles read like news and reported events. These days, what WaPo publishes reads like a blog post, with very explicit value judgments sprinkled liberally across the so-called factual reporting.

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          2. Quixote   9 years ago

            Far more important than the shocking inclusion of Breitbart which is one of our nation's finest news sites, is the failure to include criminal "parody" websites and criminally fake Gmail "parody" dissemination. Surely no one here would dare to defend the "First Amendment dissent" of a single, isolated judge in America's leading criminal "satire" case? See the documentation at:

            https://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com

            1. Dilligaf   9 years ago

              Quixote, I am curious about where this one weird TIC that you have comes from? Is this an OCD related thing? Because I assume (hope?) you are able to carry on normal conversation off of H&R without bringing this thing up. Is this merely an unusually sublime style of meta-trolling that only windmill-tilting cunts get? The unfortunate conditions of a lost bet of some sort?

    2. IWasADemocrat   9 years ago

      John Oliver needed to be banned too then

      1. Tommy_Grand   9 years ago

        The Daily Show explicitly claimed the mantle of "fake news show." Over and over. Is it banned?

        1. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

          Fake news until it isn't. They like to swing both ways when it suits them.

          1. Citizen X   9 years ago

            Around the turn of the century (i can't remember if it was shortly before or shortly after Kilborn left), they were still using the tagline "Where More Americans Get Their News Than Probably Should."

            That was a little too self-aware for the Stewart era, though.

            1. SpecksBacon   9 years ago

              My favorite from the Kilborn era was, "When news breaks, we fix it!"

              1. pogi chips for liberty   9 years ago

                The show was over when Kilborn left.

    3. BYODB   9 years ago

      I'm curious if Slate and NPR are on that list, but I refuse to go to the LA Times to find out.

    4. Bgoptmst   9 years ago

      I have no problem with HuffPo being a liberal blog. It's when you call it news that I roll my eyes.

  2. 0x90   9 years ago

    This article is so fake.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    So news consumers started getting their news from Facebook to fill the void left by Jon Stewart?

    1. $park? is totally a Swifty   9 years ago

      News became entertainment when CNN opened.

      1. LynchPin1477   9 years ago

        So entertainment doesn't have to be entertaining?

        1. UnCivilServant   9 years ago

          That's what TV has taught me.

          1. Mainer2   9 years ago

            Let's see what's on tonight:

            Cliched Sitcom
            Cliched Police Procedural
            Relentless Dick Jokes

            1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

              TV or H&R?

              I guess it depends on what happens to the dog in "police procedural."

              1. Swiss Servator   9 years ago

                BLAMBLAMBLAM!

                Huh, must be HyR.

            2. Ted S.   9 years ago

              Hockey game.

      2. T.F.G.   9 years ago

        News has always been entertainment.

  4. $park? is totally a Swifty   9 years ago

    On the Internet, echo chambers abound.

    1. $park? is totally a Swifty   9 years ago

      Internet, echo chambers abound.

      1. $park? is totally a Swifty   9 years ago

        echo chambers abound.

        1. bacon-magic   9 years ago

          chambers abound.

          1. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

            ambers abound

            1. UnCivilServant   9 years ago

              abound

              1. bacon-magic   9 years ago

                ab

                1. To: Trshmnstr From: Hrod [C]   9 years ago
                  1. LynchPin1477   9 years ago

                    You all deserve sexualized favors for that

                    1. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

                      That's all it takes, huh? Noted.

                    2. BYODB   9 years ago

                      I'm disappointed that just 'bound' was left off.

                    3. Citizen X   9 years ago

                      My thoughts and prayers are with you.

  5. You ARE a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

    it includes sites with heavily ideological slants like Breitbart, LewRockwell.com, Liberty Unyielding, and Red State.

    "Wait... those guys aren't being satirical?"

  6. grrizzly   9 years ago

    ZeroHedge is on the list even though it's often been cited by totally mainstream publications like Barron's.

  7. Calidissident   9 years ago

    Why is it Facebook's responsibility to police this? If people are stupid enough to instantly believe anything they read, that's on them, and I don't think facebook censorship will impact the underlying issue.

    1. To: Trshmnstr From: Hrod [C]   9 years ago

      Something something reality-based community something something structural injustice something something stewards of the public trust something.

      1. BigW   9 years ago

        Something something TrumpHitler....

    2. MarkLastname   9 years ago

      I guess the argument would be that those idiots can vote.

      1. Citizen X   9 years ago

        Which is really an argument against democracy, which is in turn an argument against power.

        1. Liberty98   9 years ago

          We aren't a Democracy remember.

      2. Princess Trigger   9 years ago

        Trogs own computers.
        Trogs vote.
        -
        -
        -
        TRUMP!

    3. phenryinohio   9 years ago

      Because people call it Fakebook and it hurt their feeling.

    4. Bgoptmst   9 years ago

      This is the real issue. Facebook staff, mad Hillary lost and that they were being blamed, are looking into whether Facebook led to "false news" influencing the election.

      Obviously they would be doing the same thing if Trump lost because they are solely concerned with being impartial. They will now also consider banning all other content that is "fake" such as every funny meme ever.

  8. The Other Kevin   9 years ago

    So one theory is that Trump won because uneducated rubes formed their opinions from posts they saw on Facebook. Project much?

    1. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

      It's all projection

    2. SchillMcGuffin   9 years ago

      Which, of course, is pretty much just the theory that Dubya won because uneducated rubes formed their opinions from stuff they heard on talk radio, +12 years.

      1. BYODB   9 years ago

        Look, since Middle America refuses to fall in line we just need to suppress outlets with opinions different from ours. What could go wrong?

        /Progressive Liberal America

        1. JoblessBoss   9 years ago

          Why do these people still not understand that the other team is a bunch of nazis?

        2. BigW   9 years ago

          What could go wrong? Well they could end up bringing protest signs to a gunfight....

    3. rferris   9 years ago

      Another theory is that it is not education levels but indoctrination levels that determine voting patterns. The more time you spend in the indoctrination mills we call our schools and universities, the more likely you will vote Democrat.

  9. bacon-magic   9 years ago

    Keep trying to limit speech and ideas media(I'm including all sources people get their information from), it will not turn out well.

  10. Domestic Dissident   9 years ago

    Here's a story that isn't fake: Block Insane Yomomma is apparently now on a mission to try to add as many thousands of pages of new regulations to the federal registry as he possibly can in his last two months.

    What a complete and total fucking asshole.

    1. You ARE a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

      Since there is no human being with the name Block Insane Yomomma, I think it is fake.

      1. Citizen X   9 years ago

        False. That is exactly what i'm naming the Romanian child i'm adopting next year.

        1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

          Hmmm...that might actually be a good name for Fallout: New Vegas or Wasteland character...

    2. $park? is totally a Swifty   9 years ago

      What a complete and total fucking asshole.

      Since we're on the subject...

    3. CE   9 years ago

      He's also handing out Presidential Medals of Freedom like they are participation trophies. 21 more this week.

      1. MarkLastname   9 years ago

        Did Lena Dunham get hers yet?

        1. Mainer2   9 years ago

          Tom Hanks got one.. Bruce Springsteen. Ellen DeGeneres

          These Medals of Freedom are getting about as worthless as a Nobel Peace Prize.

          1. Princess Trigger   9 years ago

            Don't you remember when Hanks save Matt Damon from the Nazis?

          2. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

            They got medals of freedom? FOR DOING WHAT EXACTLY?

            1. BYODB   9 years ago

              Pandering and boot licking.

            2. Mainer2   9 years ago

              In a press statement, the White House paid tribute to DeGeneres' varied body of professional work -- from her popular daytime talk show to her voice-over work on the films "Finding Nemo" and "Finding Dory" -- as well as her advocacy work.

              "In 1997, after coming out herself, DeGeneres made TV history when her character on Ellen revealed she was a lesbian. In her work and in her life, she has been a passionate advocate for equality and fairness," The White House statement said.

              So she's being honored for being a lesbian. Which I have on good authority is not a choice.

            3. JWatts   9 years ago

              "They got medals of freedom? FOR DOING WHAT EXACTLY?"

              Donating and fund raising for the Democratic Party, maybe.

            4. Holger da Dane   9 years ago

              Seems to be the American version of Knighting?

  11. Groovus Maximus   9 years ago

    It turns out the attempt to broaden the definition of "fake news" is already happening.

    Now where did I put my, "Shocked Face," I know it's around here somewhere *rfiles through desk*; this was certainly foreseeable, and no doubt not unintended. It's almost like a law. An Iron Law, in fact.

    1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

      See, this is the kind of problem you run into when you let private individuals take initiative.

      A properly set governmental regulatory body would create a real, working, simple and reasonable definition of 'fake news' and set up a fast, easy licencing process for journalists. Then we'd have nothing to worry about!

      I think this is a good starting point for Liberaltarian alliance. Let's get to work, comrades citizens brothers Human Beings!

      1. $park? is totally a Swifty   9 years ago

        Common sense. You left out common sense.

        1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

          Isn't the phrase a bit...suspect? I mean, "common" - who is "common" in our diverse, multicultural society? Is that just a codeword for "white male"? I'm not saying it is, I'm saying it could be.
          And "sense" - is it not discriminatory against people who lost the use of one or more senses? It's better to use terms like "reasonable" and "scientific".

    2. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

      The only surprising part here is how quickly they did it

      1. Groovus Maximus   9 years ago

        Not really, Derp-o. Think about it: The speed at which information is disseminated and consumed is inversely proportional to how quickly it is managed and suppressed. Suffice it to say, the larger and more ubiquitous the news source is, the faster it will by curtailed and micromanaged. This was exactly what happened the minute papyrus and ink was invented, and really kicked into high gear when Guttenberg started hitting the type. The only reason media suppression and blackballing seemed slow 10-20 years ago, is how long it took to get news our there.

        It really isn't surprising at all, in all honesty.

  12. Uncle Jay   9 years ago

    RE: This Professor's List of 'Fake News' Sites Goes Predictably Wrong

    Fake news is whatever this professor says it is.
    After all, she's so much smarter than all of us little people put together.
    She's got a college degree.

    1. Tommy_Grand   9 years ago

      Did she attend the Columbia school of journalism? did you? no? then shut up!

    2. Paloma   9 years ago

      People should be embarrassed to quote an Assistant Professor of Communication on anything at all.

      1. ziggy   9 years ago

        ^^^^

  13. Microaggressor   9 years ago

    What ever happened to Fake But Accurate?

    1. $park? is totally a Swifty   9 years ago

      Turns out it was fake, but accurate.

      1. Groovus Maximus   9 years ago

        And doled out in small, but generous portions.

    2. Pope Jimbo   9 years ago

      That is still OK. That is why Rolling Stone is still a "real" news source according to this prof.

  14. sesuncedu   9 years ago

    This Professor's List of 'Fake News' Sites Goes Predictably Wrong

    What happened next?
    Liar.

    1. Mainer2   9 years ago

      This Professor's List of 'Fake News' Sites Goes Predictably Wrong

      Number 8 Will Shock You

  15. tarran   9 years ago

    They're designed to fix the problem that cost Hillary the last election:

    Low information progs seeing information that contradicted the official prog narrative. They want blinders on the progs so that when the next historical election rolls around they enthusiastically show up and vote for whomever their masters have selected for them no matter how odious or incompetent that 'whomever' is.

    1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

      But did they? My understanding of "Facebook problem" is the opposite: people only saw information they agreed with. While fine with progs, that meant Trumpeters were not exposed to Many Ways John Oliver/Stephen Colbert/SNL/Samantha Bee Demolished Trump Last Night. They want to break the poor, ignorant idiots out of their bubble and into The Echo Chamber of Truth.

      1. UnCivilServant   9 years ago

        That's what they got when they permitted the algorithm to give people information based upon their own revealed viewing preferences. Poor, loyal algorithm, gets thrown under the bus whenever they meddle with its output too.

      2. tarran   9 years ago

        Hillary didn't lose the election because republicans were enthusiastic about voting for Trump. She lost the election largely because reliable Democratic voters chose to stay home rather than vote for her.

        There are a number of proggies in my facederp circle who are plugged into the proggie academic-governmental-ngo complex. The last week and a half before the election they inundated everyone with increasingly hysterical demands that they not stay home or vote third party.

        Then once the election was over they instantly started decrying fake news and climate change denial.

        Trust me, we're not the intended audience. It's their footsoldiers who basically wavered, broke and fled this battle. They want to make sure that next time around they are incapable of seeing things that will make them flee again.

        1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

          I went with what BBC was reporting. Though I can't find the video with grim music, shots of server racks and Concerned British Voice, because in last week they had something like 25 articles with "facebook" in them. And I don't think their search engine is powered by Google.

          1. tarran   9 years ago

            Yeah, that's an interesting take. Certainly people did put on voluntary blinders and insulate themselves from annoying stuff they disagreed with.

            But...

            The people really pushing this are the proggies, and I don't think their concern is that proggies only got their news from proggie sources and racistKKK types only got their news from teathuglican sources. They are really exercised about articles that rebutted or disagreed with the proggie narrative.

            Note, it's not the Guardian that's the target of the defund fake news campaign...

            1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

              No, what I'm saying, proggies are angry that Trumpeters weren't forced into proggy echo chamber. They, of course, would rage if someone put That Trump Shit on their feed. They want everyone everywhere to get news from proggy sources only, and are furious there are "loopholes" preventing this.

              1. tarran   9 years ago

                Oh, I see!

                I agree with that 100%.

              2. BigW   9 years ago

                If their not careful they're gonna find the biggest loophole against this soon, starts with 2nd....

        2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

          Hillary didn't lose the election because republicans were enthusiastic about voting for Trump. She lost the election largely because reliable Democratic voters chose to stay home rather than vote for her.

          Yep.

          For the first time in more than 30 years, more people voted for the candidates for governor in Washington than for the listed candidates for president. The unusual turnout numbers are likely a result of unpopular presidential candidates in an uncompetitive race in Washington.

  16. SugarFree   9 years ago

    I don't see Rolling Stone on the list.

    1. Citizen X   9 years ago

      Yeah, well you don't have a journalism degree from Columbia either, do you.

      1. bacon-magic   9 years ago

        Stop picking on the Media that lied to push a narrative! They are busy doubling down on their derpness.

      2. Paloma   9 years ago

        I think they meant a journalism degree from Colombia, like Shakira.

    2. 0x90   9 years ago

      At least they nabbed ClickHole.com.

      1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

        But they put The Onion in there! Not only does it speak the truth, it's speaks it months and years before it happens!

        1. Microaggressor   9 years ago

          Indeed. I've witnessed the Onion predict the future way too many times to rule it out as "fake".

        2. Pope Jimbo   9 years ago

          The Onion was dinged because of how they whitewashed Uncle Joe Biden's legacy. Too much airbrushing and photoshopping him to make him less creepy.

          1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

            Joe Biden is a Great American, and I won't have you besmirch his legacy!

            Biden 2020 - Make Debates Great Again!

        3. BYODB   9 years ago

          That...is actually baffling since only a complete retard would think The Onion is actual news.

          I agree that it can be creepily accurate in retrospect, but that is the nature of satire.

  17. SimonD   9 years ago

    Another thing to file under 'shocked face' is a list of the sites that aren't on the list. You know what I mean, all of those completely unbiased honest news sources like HuffPo, Democratic Underground, and Daily Kos (I'm not sure about Everyday Feminism).

    Hmm. If I didn't know better, I think Madame Professor is engaging in a bit of bias of her own. I know this can't be the case though. College Professors are a higher species than us dumb-dums.

    1. thom   9 years ago

      In her head, I'm sure the rightist sites are "misleading", in that they lead dumb ignorant people away from the correct views. Sites like HuffPo and Daily Kos are not misleading, because they lead people towards more enlightened views. My guess is that the bias in her list is intentional.

  18. LynchPin1477   9 years ago

    Of course a fake news site would say that. Why, I bet the "journalists" here didn't even graduate from Columbia!

    1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

      I'll have you know reason is not part of that document.

      Literally. Searching for "reason" gave me zero hits.

      1. Groovus Maximus   9 years ago

        That, Panny Z, is why they are so invested in chasing that Mythical Liberaltarian: If nothing else, it signals to apparatchiks like Zimder here, that Reason can be spared any type of blackballing or speech & content purge.

        As Beni said, "It is better to serve at the right hand of the Devil, than be in his path."

        1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

          A solid plan with no drawbacks!

  19. mad.casual   9 years ago

    censorship

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    1. UnCivilServant   9 years ago

      Is it the term of service for a particular office of the Roman Republic?

    2. The Curse of Carl Island   9 years ago

      I don't think you do.

      censoredcensoring play \?sen(t)-s?-ri?, ?sen(t)s-ri?\

      transitive verb

      : to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable ; also : to suppress or delete as objectionable

      Private parties cannot violate the First Amendment or infringe freedom of speech. Private parties can and do engage in censorship.

      1. The Curse of Carl Island   9 years ago

        Self-correction:

        Private parties cannot... infringe freedom of speech.

        They can -- e.g., through use or threat of force -- but most complaints of private infringement of freedom of speech are unfounded.

      2. Pope Jimbo   9 years ago

        Should be true, but if you can make bakers bake cakes, why can't you also make social media sites display whatever you want?

        Seriously, once the first prog talking point gets axed because it is "fake news", they will be back to their idea of declaring FB a public utility.

        1. To: Trshmnstr From: Hrod [C]   9 years ago

          Should be true, but if you can make bakers bake cakes, why can't you also make social media sites display whatever you want?

          I could certainly see a SCOTUS case with something like "Although the actual content of the article is protected speech, the contextual environment of the article on the webpage may be regulated, including the required 'SATIRE' warning label at the top of the article."

          1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

            Or that content is fine but not in context of a web page. You can handwrite it on paper all you like though. Just don't post it in public, that's littering. Or mail it as a newsletter, that's obscenity.

            If we're generous we might allow you to use a mimeograph.

    3. Uncle Jay   9 years ago

      Is it some sort of submarine?

  20. CE   9 years ago

    Sounds like we need a new federal bureau to make sure this gets done fairly.... We can call it the Ministry of Truth.

    1. Microaggressor   9 years ago

      If Al Gore became president, it would be here by now.

  21. To: Trshmnstr From: Hrod [C]   9 years ago

    A pair of maps that make the case for city-states.

    The urban/rural divide is the defining factor in politics these days, and these maps show it.

    1. UnCivilServant   9 years ago

      I'm sorry, that site tops my list of "Fake News" pages.

      1. Microaggressor   9 years ago

        Are Krugman pieces considered "news" anyway?

      2. Paloma   9 years ago

        Kinda drives me nuts the statistic that the popular vote was Clinton 50.5% . As though no third party voters, or that all of them belong to her.

    2. LynchPin1477   9 years ago

      That's a pretty cool map. The names could be more creative.

      1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

        In one of his podcasts, Dan Carlin was musing about, what would happen if you got a Los Angeles phalanx to go up against Sacramento phalanx today. I'm glad that the idea is finding more traction in the media.

      2. Pope Jimbo   9 years ago

        sigh. I'm sure Memphis would get slickered by Jackson out of being the capitol of Mississippi Island.

      3. Bgoptmst   9 years ago

        This map does a pretty good job of showing that Clinton's America would quickly starve and have trouble with commerce and the free movement of people's.

    3. Citizen X   9 years ago

      Crap, i live in Clinton's America! Dammit!

      1. Pope Jimbo   9 years ago

        Build an Ark! That is what Tundra and I will be doing so we don't drown in the Twin Cities reservoir.

        1. Citizen X   9 years ago

          Clinton's America looks a lot like Earthsea. There is probably a slightly higher likelihood of having your soul eaten by a shadow-being in Clinton's America, though.

          1. Swiss Servator   9 years ago

            *frantically searches for wizard's staff*

  22. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

    BuzzFeed investigated how well the top "fake" election news stories performed on Facebook compared to the top "real" election news stories.

    Buzzfeed got categorized as click-baity, right?

    1. UnCivilServant   9 years ago

      Are you kidding? You won't believe what site this Professor has as her browser's homepage!

  23. Mainer2   9 years ago

    The United States really only needs one publication to disseminate all the news that true. In fact, that would make a good name. One newspaper called Truth.

    1. BakedPenguin   9 years ago

      The old Russian joke was "we have 2 newspapers - "Truth" and "News". "Truth" has no news, and "News" has no truth."

      1. Mainer2   9 years ago

        Phew. I thought my pravda joke was too obscure.

        1. Swiss Servator   9 years ago

          Pravad?! I am an Izvestia man, m'self!

          1. Lord Rollingpin   9 years ago

            I'm a Dapper Dan man.

  24. Tman   9 years ago

    FEAR NOT CITIZENS!! KEITH "SKYWALKER" OLBERMANN HAS DECIDED TO BECOME THE FACE OF THE REBEL RESISTANCE!!!

    Let's stop pretending and start taking action. Here's how.

    1. 0x90   9 years ago

      I can't understand why he's not more successful.

    2. Citizen X   9 years ago

      Christ, what an asshole.

      1. Mainer2   9 years ago

        DAMMIT ! That's what I logged on to say.

    3. Quincy.   9 years ago

      He was funny on Bojack Horseman.

    4. Je suis Woodchipper   9 years ago

      Olbermann is a ratings anchor.

      1. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

        He went to Cornell.

        1. Je suis Woodchipper   9 years ago

          is that a "boom goes the dynamite" reference?

    5. $park? is totally a Swifty   9 years ago

      Brewgan ?@Brewgan
      @KeithOlbermann We need you more than ever, Keith! Thanks for all you do. Happy Thanksgiving to you.

      *facepalm*

    6. Princess Trigger   9 years ago

      Wow, I didn't even know he was still alive.

    7. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

      And they have the balls to wrap themselves in the flag.

      What little twirps.

      1. Juice   9 years ago

        Why not? They're complete statists.

    8. Juice   9 years ago

      So you've been pretending all this time?

  25. rjohnsonangela   9 years ago

    My mothers neighbour is working part time and averaging $9000 a month. I'm a single mum and just got my first paycheck for $6546! I still can't believe it. I tried it out cause I got really desperate and now I couldn't be happier. Heres what I do,

    ----------------- http://YoutubeJobs.Nypost55.com

    1. SimonD   9 years ago

      It's good to see that some of the Clinton-oids are already finding new gigs. They're even in the same field. Good for them.

  26. The Curse of Carl Island   9 years ago

    OT: The UK slumps further toward police state status.

    The law will force internet providers to record every internet customer's top-level web history in real-time for up to a year, which can be accessed by numerous government departments; force companies to decrypt data on demand -- though the government has never been that clear on exactly how it forces foreign firms to do that that; and even disclose any new security features in products before they launch.

    The "having to clear product changes with the government, lest they lose out on some data" is particularly insidious.

    I hope the US companies complaining take a stand and shutter their UK operations. They probably won't, though.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

      The fuck? How is Reason not blaring this from the rooftops? This is as bad or worse than the email collecting law, whose only opposition was predicated on "it costs too much".

      1. The Curse of Carl Island   9 years ago

        They've covered the drafts before IIRC. The news just dropped today -- I'd give them (likely Shackford) some time.

      2. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

        Reason has a fairly parochial attitude to foreign news. Unless it involves the US government in some way, it's not important. They might do something on pot legalization or gay oppression but overall they stick to domestic stuff.

        Given their Ukraine coverage from a few years back, I approve.

        1. Swiss Servator   9 years ago

          Hey, keeping RT sweet wasn't going to happen by itself....

          *ducks*

          1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

            You present a compelling argument.

            Keeping RT ladies sweet is hard work but so worth it...

    2. Lee Genes   9 years ago

      Blimey! Those gaffers and nobs are bent as a nine-bob's note!

      1. Mainer2   9 years ago

        Crikey. They just need one old flay rod to go off treadle and bobs your uncle

    3. 0x90   9 years ago

      It won't matter if they do, in the long run. In the end, this was always going to come down to the individual vs. the state. The endgame is end-to-end encrypted communications, cryptocurrency, and distributed DNS, and it's a fight that the state can no more win, than it can prevent itself from initiating.

      1. Pope Jimbo   9 years ago

        Whoa! You think the entire world's programming community would somehow be able to come up with an end around some plan put together by a group of GOVERNMENT PROGRAMMERS?

        You sir, have never had the pleasure of dealing with the brightest minds who are drawn to public service IT departments.

        Seriously, I have a friend from high school who has risen very far in the political machinery and when we have beers, I always end up trying to explain why the latest IT laws being debated are doomed to failure. He simply has no background in IT and doesn't have the foggiest idea of how the shit works.

        1. Swiss Servator   9 years ago

          +1 series of tubes

    4. You ARE a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

      The UK is really awful on this stuff. This is a ridiculous policy.

    5. Pope Jimbo   9 years ago

      Sounds like someone has a stake in a vpn/proxy service....

  27. Hail Rataxes   9 years ago

    These are not "fake news" sites. They are blogs that?much like Reason?have a mix of opinion and news content designed to advance a particular point of view.

    And they also have misleading, clickbaity headlines.

  28. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

    Everyone confused by anti-trump slogans, thinking they're pro-trump slogans.

    1. UnCivilServant   9 years ago

      Another fake news site? What have we come to?

  29. Lee Genes   9 years ago

    To her credit, she did include Occupy Democrats

    1. Groovus Maximus   9 years ago

      *EVERYONE* included OccupyDemocrats in their list of BadWrongNiks (even the IRS did) as a mere token and fig leaf masquerading as proof of objectivity, just so's Progtards can point to them and say, "See!? I can call out my side too!"

      1. Lee Genes   9 years ago

        Your use of CAPS leads me to believe you are not reliable.

  30. Lee Genes   9 years ago

    Bad web design and use of ALL CAPS can also be a sign that the source you're looking at should be verified and/or read in conjunction with other sources.

    WELL SHIT. MY BEST SOURCES USE CAPS, MOSTLY FOR LEGIBILITY.

    1. UnCivilServant   9 years ago

      I get a lot of Legal documents with large amounts of all caps. Does that mean they're fake too?

    2. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

      Poor Steve Smith...

      1. To: Trshmnstr From: Hrod [C]   9 years ago

        STEVE SMITH "VERIFY" HIKERS IN ALL-CAPS AND MANY EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!

  31. geo1113   9 years ago

    Darn. I walked by her building about an hour ago. I could have trolled her in person!

    1. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

      Or catcall her, 'cause she cute.

      1. geo1113   9 years ago

        Potentially cute...would have to see in-person.

        Oh, it's you, Crusty!

        1. Mainer2   9 years ago

          I'm guesstimating she's about 30 years younger than me. So barring serious hygiene problems or a genetic malady....would.

          1. geo1113   9 years ago

            Mainer, pegging her at age 30, we are in the same boat. But one never knows what is below the neck.

            1. Mainer2   9 years ago

              From her fellowship grant at the University of Iowa:

              From The Biggest Loser to Mike and Molly, televised representations of fatness are multiplying in reflection of heightened governmental and medical concern that the size of our bodies constitutes a problem of epidemic proportions. This project demonstrates how television acts as a forum for not only the politics of fat visibility and world health policies, but also for debating issues of fatness in connection to weight-loss and self-discipline, self-love and size acceptance, and even disability and discrimination.

              Uh oh.

              This is the only pic I can find that's not a head shot. (6th one down)

              http://www.ncamass.org/awards.shtml

              I suspect that outfit is hiding a big booty.

              Still......

              1. geo1113   9 years ago

                Nice work. And I get where you are coming from.

              2. Swiss Servator   9 years ago

                Affective Arousal and Online Risk Information Seeking Behavior: The Role of Emotional Exemplars in Online Comment Reading

                Is this...

                1) Crusty's Doctoral Thesis

                2) The Life and Times of Carlos Danger

                3) A fairly representative sample of the rot in modern academia

                1. geo1113   9 years ago

                  "Is this..."

                  yes

          2. Groovus Maximus   9 years ago

            Only with a shovel. And a leaf rake.

      2. yet another dave   9 years ago

        Wouldn't... not anymore anyway... too much work labouring through the overwrought derp. Earlier in my career it used to be an excellent sport, bedded some lovely looking ladies. Now I ask a couple questions. I look for general knowledge and emotional insight. Too many fail...so now, occasionally instead of fuck off asshole I get interested horned up ladies... Only to have mansplain to them that, now it is up to them to conv

        1. yet another dave   9 years ago

          Ince Mrs. yetanother that that would be a good idea.... so far... dave 0 mrs yetanother 4 .... also I've been advised to stop asking

  32. Just Say'n   9 years ago

    Looks like that alliance between the Left and libertarians isn't off to a great start. It's OK- just ignore the unlimited authoritarian impulses of the Left and just nitpick everything nominally bad that the Right does. That seemed to work well for Johnson.

  33. Suthenboy   9 years ago

    Remember Hillary's comment about Breitbart having no right to exist and that she was going to crush them?

    Uh huh.

  34. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

    Why does everything shitty (that is, grotesquely anti-liberty) seems to come from California and Massachusetts?

    1. Mainer2   9 years ago

      I don't know, but I wish they'd stop coming here to southern New Hampshire. Massholes infecting our state is a thing.

      1. geo1113   9 years ago

        We want to get away from Mass and now we want to make NH just like Mass. Fucking morons.

    2. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

      They are Ontario and Quebec of America?

      1. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

        God, The Big Four prog jurisdictions ruling over us all.

  35. esteve7   9 years ago

    Falling for their bullshit on "we need to police fake news" does far more damage than the actual fake news.

    And Progs are so fucking arrogant, they think fake news only must have helped Trump, or something. Nevermind The Daily Show, SNL, and other Liberal bastions are cause for more uninformed voters than anything else. How many people believe Sarah Pailin said she can see Russia from her house?

    1. BYODB   9 years ago

      Even today, a lot of people think this.

  36. Cynical Asshole   9 years ago

    *adds reason.com to list* /Zindar

  37. Juice   9 years ago

    This is great advertising for all those sites, btw.

  38. PlaystoomuchHALO   9 years ago

    Fake News would have to start with CNN and MSNBC... but they aren't actually news any longer, having given way to becoming DNC propaganda outlets

  39. Roger Knights   9 years ago

    Blocking would be bad. But if all Facebook did was to put a "?" in front of stories it thought were questionable, it wouldn't do much harm, right?

  40. Trigger Warning   9 years ago

    This is an excellent post, Shackleford.

  41. Christian Winterbottom   9 years ago

    I agree that on WaPo you do have to pay attention to whether or not you've strayed into an opinion piece or an actual Op/Ed even. When I'm reading an article I'll click on some "related" thing and I'll assume is another article and get a little jolted to find it's actually an opinion piece. But it IS always labeled as an opinion piece when I look back at the top.

    The thing about Breitbart that I've noticed is it's not at all afraid to get really fuzzy in the grey areas. It'll put out a piece that makes statements, links to whatever thing supposedly backs up those statements, ie in the manner of a news article. But if you actually dig in to the link, read it and think critically about the conclusion(s) you're looking for (it's often boring and long but hey), what you'll find fairly often is that the "conclusions" they're backing up with the link, are not even actually supported by the link. (I'm not even saying fact-check these things with other sites but yes these days we have to do that too)

    But anyway, they dress it up *like* a news article, structure it like they're presenting supported facts but the "smoking gun" is smoke and mirrors. it's brilliant really. So I guess I think it's fair to include them on the list. Maybe they'll stop doing it !

    1. Tumulus   9 years ago

      Yeah, I would consider them sometimes misleading. I wouldn't include them on a list of squeaky clean hard news sources (a nice, short list!) but they don't share fabricated stuff as far as I know. So, fake? No. Questionable? Yes. I suspect the tone and the commenters are what convince outsiders that Breitbart is grossly irresponsible and "this can't be happening make it go away".

      The fact that ZeroHedge is on the list really undermines its legitimacy. Finance people reference it all the time.

      1. Tumulus   9 years ago

        Aghh. The fact that ZH is listed makes the list look dumb, I mean.

  42. VicRattlehead   9 years ago

    So, where is the gofundme page for the class action lawsuit suing this professor into the streets for libel?
    seriously, why is anyone stupid enough to allow someone to publicly slander them to the tune of potential monetary losses without making the dipshit that slandered you pay for it.
    if its not fake news, which i know the Freethought Project is not as well as many of the other publications she listed, why have they not all banded their resources together to legally destroy her?
    just a thought

  43. Joe Btfsplk   9 years ago

    The NYT seems tops on the list of other "news" sites that are too often fake.

  44. ammythomas833   9 years ago

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  45. ammythomas833   9 years ago

    until I looked at the paycheck saying $4730 , I did not believe that...my... brother woz like actualy bringing in money part time from there computar. . there friend brother started doing this for less than 7 months and resently paid for the morgage on there home and bought a new Cadillac .......

    >>>>>>>>>http://www.centerpay70.com

  46. Ninja Pirates   9 years ago

    The author of the list pretty much agreed in his updates at the bottom of the document from the link when someone asked him what news he reads lol. Quoting "The problem: Even typically reliable sources, whether mainstream or alternative, corporate or
    nonprofit, rely on particular media frames to report stories and select stories based on different notions of
    newsworthiness. The best thing to do in our contemporary media environment is to read/watch/listen
    widely and often, and to be critical of the sources we share and engage with on social media."

  47. ammyt0645   9 years ago

    I get Paid over ?80 per hour working from home with 2 kids at house. I Never thought I would be able to do it but my best friend earns over ?9185 a month doing this and she convinced me to try. The potential with this is endless.

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  49. Meems   9 years ago

    The screening of 'fake news' is quite simple. There are various stories that have been bandied about as being proven false...such as Obama's birth questions. If these websites have been guilty of reporting those stories, then they are also guilty of reporting fake news. That calls their ethics into question as true journalists. Because journalists always try to verify their information, such as a publication like the New York TImes that always retracts stories when new information comes up to debunk the story. I would fathom a website like Breitbart never does that.

  50. The Lone Loner   9 years ago

    There's a limit to the amount of work I'll put into reading a piece. Where's the list?

    1. Verner Hornung   9 years ago

      Zimdar, list deleted ca. Nov. 18, remains on the Daily Dot;
      http://www.dailydot.com/layer8.....-facebook/

  51. Verner Hornung   9 years ago

    As of Nov. 19, Zimdar's list is not on the document at the link Shackford supplies above.
    *
    The Democrats say they favor education leading to development of critical thinking skills. "Fake news" is a good place to test those skills. A source generally becomes more reliable the longer it is in business and the more other, independent sources acknowledge its reporting. Fringe sites are less accurate and less honest than established ones near the political center, yet they carry material the mainline outlets omit. Glenn Greenwald, according to Slate, also informs us of media actively coordinating stories to prevent Trump's election, a thing we never saw despite hostile coverage in previous elections.
    *
    This disturbs me. I take Breitbart and InfoWars with large grains of salt. Both use reader tips often pointing to insignificant or nonexistent problems. Yet they provide an invaluable check on our Trump-hating newsrooms, which seem to have set the hounds loose in search of bigots hidden in the forest. Now we're adding Google's and Mark Zuckerberg's censorship. Perchance Buzzfeed, every bit as marginal as Breitbart, will pass through the new filters.

    1. ammythomas94   9 years ago

      2?I quit my office job and now I am getting paid 92 Dollars hourly. How? I work-over interneet! My old work was making me miserable, so I was to try-Something different. 2 years after?I can say my life is changeed completely for the better!

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  52. alisonramsey444   9 years ago

    until I looked at the paycheck saying $4730 , I did not believe that...my... brother woz like actualy bringing in money part time from there computar. . there friend brother started doing this for less than 7 months and resently paid for the morgage on there home and bought a new Cadillac .......

    >>>>>>>>> http://www.centerpay70.com

  53. alisonramsey444   9 years ago

    until I looked at the paycheck saying $4730 , I did not believe that...my... brother woz like actualy bringing in money part time from there computar. . there friend brother started doing this for less than 7 months and resently paid for the morgage on there home and bought a new Cadillac .......

    >>>>>>>>> http://www.centerpay70.com

  54. Akira   9 years ago

    What is the likelihood that the Obama administration sent some strongly worded letter "suggesting" that Facebook "voluntarily" adopt some "common-sense rules" to "protect the people from the misinformation foisted upon them by fake news sites"?

  55. VicRattlehead   9 years ago

    yeah seriously there's pretty clear laws on libel

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