Maine

Maine Gov. LePage Vetoes Easier Naloxone Access; Essentially Signs Death Sentence for Some State Opiate Users

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Opiate drugs can be very dangerous, even fatal. Good thing, then, that an existing drug product, naloxone, has the ability to save the lives of people going through opiate overdoses, explaining why there is a national movement to get it over-the-counter legal federally.

VCU CNS via Foter.com / CC BY-NC

Maine's legislature had sensibly and humanely passed a bill (unanimously, without a roll call) to allow pharmacists to dispense naloxone without a prescription. (About 30 states already do.)

Yesterday Gov. Paul LePage made the destructive, awful move of vetoing it, reports the Portland Press-Herald.

The sinister politician justified his decision to keep a life-saving drug essentially unavailable (in a state with 272 overdose deaths in 2015) by saying it "serves only to perpetuate the cycle of addiction."

"Naloxone does not truly save lives; it merely extends them until the next overdose," this ignorant and destructive man wrote. "Creating a situation where an addict has a heroin needle in one hand and a shot of naloxone in the other produces a sense of normalcy and security around heroin use that serves only to perpetuate the cycle of addiction."

Reason on naloxone.

In a dark link to another big, sad news story today, it is being reported that Prince had himself used naloxone to reverse an opiate overdose within the past week. Naloxone is available without prescription in Prince's home state of Minnesota.

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  1. …saying it “serves only to perpetuate the cycle of addiction.”

    Nothing breaks a cycle like death.

    Doherty, don’t hold back next time. Tell us what you really think of the man.

    1. I often wish the contributors would abandon their journalistic etiquette and rip these cocksucking sack-of-shit slaver politicians a new asshole each time an event like this occurs.

    2. “Nothing breaks a cycle like death.”

      PERMANENTLY.

      Finally, a politician who gets things done.

      1. He gets results you stupid chief!

          1. Upon further reflection, my woof is retracted. Wrong episode.

              1. You know not of either episode.

  2. “Naloxone does not truly save lives; it merely extends them until the next overdose,”

    Better that they die now than potentially die later.

    Since we’ll all eventually die, there is no point in trying to save any lives

    1. I think its actually worse than that; its sort of saying, “they probably should die” for ever having used narcotics at all.

      Because its not like anyone “not a horrible heroin addict” has ever been in a situation where they’ve accidentally overdosed on narcotics. Like old people after surgery.

    2. WERE YOU ELECTED TO BE A WHOLE STATE’S DOCTOR? I didn’t think so.

    3. Are you kidding? All valid medical treatments make people immortal!

  3. And is this stuff actually by-itself abusable in any way? is it remotely dangerous if mishandled?

    (aside from the “a baby could choke on it/accidentally consume” type of danger that anything including aspirin presents)

    1. Abusable? Yeah, it allows them to live and abuse another day. THE WORST KIND OF ABUSE

  4. From Reason’s coverage, I’m beginning to get the impression that the governor of Maine is kind of an asshole.

    1. He is the type of asshole that if you were to turn it inside out, it would still be an asshole.

  5. “Creating a situation where an addict has a heroin needle in one hand and a shot of naloxone in the other produces a sense of normalcy and security around heroin use”

    So?

  6. “Naloxone does not truly save lives; it merely extends them until the next overdose,”

    True, just like, oh, surgery.
    Nothing “saves lives”.

    1. See???? Now they’re trying to practice medicine without a license!!!!

      1. OK, now what does this guy do when a cop tries to talk some schmuck off a bridge railing? Tell the cop to give him a shove?

        1. If the guy is a junkie in Maine? Yeah, shove him off. He’s not really alive.

          Unless I’m misunderstanding, and I don’t think I am.

          1. “Unless I’m misunderstanding, and I don’t think I am.”

            I think G’s got it (above); he’s so self-righteous about drug use he’s willing to let ’em die rather than let them save themselves (note that no one is proposing the gov’t pay for the drug).
            I joke about peeing in the mouth of certain drowning people, but he’s *serious*.

            1. Here’s where I’m diverging from my otherwise libertarian views:
              I propose that the government pay for it.

              It’s about $0.04 per dose, and even cheaper when it’s scaled. Let people get high until they solve their mommy and daddy issues, or whatever else may be the underlying problem.

              For example:
              William Halsted.
              He basically invented modern surgery, and was a cocaine and morphine addict. Today, he would be locked in a cage at $60k a year, courtesy of the taxpayer.

              No thanks.

              1. HERETIC!

              2. Playa Manhattan.|4.21.16 @ 9:59PM|#
                “Here’s where I’m diverging from my otherwise libertarian views:
                I propose that the government pay for it.”

                OK, $0.04/dose, + $3k gov’t admin costs. And we don’t know how many Halsteds we get compared to how many, oh, the nitwits known as turd.
                I’m voting for you and me buying some of the stuff and handing it out.

                1. I would gladly do that for charity. Honestly.

                  The William Halsteads are just one of the benefits. Another benefit is the nitwits not breaking into your house.

                  I value both.

    2. “Naloxone does not truly save lives; it merely extends them until the next overdose,”

      In other words: people who use illegal drugs are wicked and deserve to die. The drug warrior ethos in a nutshell.

  7. OT: Did an APFT today. 58 push-ups in 2 min, 72 sit-ups in 2 min, ran 2 miles in 16m14s. Room for improvement, but decent. 237 points out 300.

    I think some victory music is in order.

    I credit my performance to pounding an energy drink before the test. I hate taking APFTs early in the morning on an empty stomach.

    1. You didn’t link to Prince? *head shake*

      1. I’ve gone my whole life without hearing any of his music. Checked some out just now. Meh. Ditto for Michael Jackson. The only reason I knew they existed at all is the Simpsons.

        Gimme a rock song about Norse mythology:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO2sYOaW1nI

        1. I can respect a Man’oWar fan…

          …but i find it hard to believe you were able to live to be an adult without ever hearing a single Prince song.

          1. Shirley he exaggerated or doesn’t remember.

          2. I saw the Prince skit on Chapelle’s Show. Does that count?

            1. No; they didn’t play anything unless i’m mistaken.

              Did you see Batman? (the OG michael keaton & Jack Nicholson one) Cheech & Chong’s “Still Smokin'”? Pretty Woman? Spike Lee’s “Girl 6”?

              the 2007 superbowl?

              1. Saw the Batman movie. I was forced to watch the 2016 superbowl by the Army.

                1. You must be younger then me because he was absolutely unavoidable in the eighties.

                  1. I’m 31. Most of his big hits happened when I was a toddler.

                    1. I’m 47. Popular music was also a lot harder to avoid back then.

                2. I was forced to watch the 2016 superbowl by the Army.

                  well we have to be sure our troops won’t crack under torture or sensory deprivation.

              2. Does Prince have any relevancy to millennials? His first records came out when I was in high school and his commercial heyday was the mid 80s. I don’t think he did any anime or video game soundtracks.

                1. Does Prince have any relevancy to millennials?

                  Who knows. True, his “biggest hits” mostly date from the 80s and early 1990s, but those were so big that they’ve been played every day in mass-media (somewhere) for 20+ years

                  1. So even less relevancy than Bing Crosby has to me

                    1. Frankly, as one of the token millennials around here, I’d take Bing Crosby over Prince any day of the week. There’s something about those old crooners that was lacking in the later generations of musicians.

                      As a child (in the late 90s), I knew that Prince existed and that he was somewhat similar to Michael Jackson, but that was really the extent of it.

    2. I wish I could do that.

      1. You can’t run 8 minute miles? I thought you were skinny.

        1. You thought wrong. I’ve never liked running. But I have made a point of doing it more often, and I’m pretty sure I can get to a 15 minute 2 mile. I did it once on a treadmill. Haven’t been able to do it on a track yet.

          1. If you ain’t 300, you ain’t shit.

            I should know, because I never hit 300.

            Though the best score I ever got on my run was 13:15 (this was at Ft. Lewis, which is down near sea level, so that helps).

          2. I know your build, I’ve met you. Cytotoxic complains about not being able to put on weight. He should be able to run like a Kenyan,

            1. That is no longer the case. The weight…crept up on me. Ambushed me in the stomach. I’m slowly working some of it off.

              Run like a Kenyan? I’m not black!

              1. Fine. Run like a Moroccan.

              2. Ima guess you just hit late thirties. I was scrawny until that point, no matter what I ate. Then, BAM, gotta work out to keep it in check, and now I’m kinda built.

                1. Same here, except I just got fat instead. Meh, priorities.

                  1. Yeah,I got pretty chunky for a few years. Good news is that you can get rid of it, if you want. I started walking miles a day and skipping a meal. Then, I started on the pushups. Bought some bungee cords. Started running up and down stairs. I lost 60 lbs in a year. I’m 47 now, and in the best shape I’ve ever been in, honestly, although I do have a small beer belly still.

                    1. Yeah, I just turned 47. I know exactly what I “need” to do – I could stand to lose about 40 lbs, just don’t care to right now. That’s what being single and not having someone nagging me will do 🙂

                    2. Well, to be fair, I underwent a major trauma. My whole life was taken away from me. And I figured, if i was going to start over, I may as well start over in shape.
                      Without that trauma, I’m sure I’d be even fatter. When you’re in a rut, just day to day normal living, it is hard to make major changes.

                    3. When you’re in a rut, just day to day normal living, it is hard to make major changes.

                      That applies in a lot of contexts. I just got out of a situation where I was working 2 jobs and going to school at night. As a result, finances and health took a backseat to just surviving.

                      Now that I’ve quit my two jobs in order to finish school quicker, I can work on getting rid of that 80lbs I’ve gained, and hopefully start paying down the debt we’ve racked up.

                      Sometimes a massive change is required in order to get things pointed in the right direction.

                    4. Yes. Shock to the system is often needed for humans to make changes that they have known they should make for years.
                      I hope it works out for you. I’m a small guy, so 60 lbs was major; think of 12 five pound rolls of hamburger strapped to your body. 80 pounds is 4 more five pound rolls, although I don’t know your build.

                2. No. Late twenties. FML

                  1. Shame shame. That’s no way to live in your ’20s. I was ripping and tearing with a 6 pack.

                    1. My twenties have been pretty lame.

                  2. Peoples’ bodies are all different. The point is, if you are gaining weight after being scrawny your whole life, you should embrace it. Just move the weight to where you want it.

          3. whoops- just realized you were comment was not for me.

            Army Strong, Army Literate?

        2. The running I might manage. I can run for 25 min or a bit longer. I can’t do push-ups. I am pretty weak, and with my metabolism slowing I don’t even get to be skinny anymore.

          1. Start a strength training program with kettle bells. 30 minutes once a week will get you on the right track.

            1. I already work out for longer twice a week (granted not with kettle bells)! Thanks, but there is something fundamentally wrong with my cellular biology. It’s like my body has to be shit so my mind can be amazing.

              1. What sort of weight lifting do you do?

                1. Dumbell curls and bench press and some others I can’t name right now. I can barely bench press 70 pounds 10x (that’s 31.8 Kg to the educated), and I’ve been at it for a while.

                  1. Dumbell curls and bench press and some others I can’t name right now. I can barely bench press 70 pounds 10x (that’s 31.8 Kg to the educated), and I’ve been at it for a while.

                    Drink as much milk, and eat as much protein as your little stomach can handle. And always try to lift more. It helps.

                    And like Derp said, run/move. Hills are challenging and great. You will have to eat more, which is probably good for you.

                  2. Good god. Fix yourself now. NOW.

                    I haven’t lifted weights in 15 years. But, If I couldn’t put up at least 185 lbs 25x, I’d go see the Vet for euthanasia.

                    1. I’ll save this thread thanks for the advice.

                      Re: fixing myself yeah that’s probably involve CRISPR-CAS, a viral vector, and the Umbrella Corporation.

                    2. Re: fixing myself yeah that’s probably involve CRISPR-CAS, a viral vector, and the Umbrella Corporation.

                      You’re a late 20s male.. your body should be itching to put on some muscle mass. You either have a diet issue, a diagnosable medical issue, or an effort issue. I’m betting on a combination of 1 and 3.

                      I’m a late 20s male as well, and I just started working out again for the first time in 3 years. If lazy me can haul my sorry ass into the gym at 6am every morning for an hour of torture, you can go run a few hill repeats and lift a couple dumbbells each week.

                      If competitiveness drives you, let’s make a friendly wager. We can each set a goal and the loser donates $10 to reason.

              2. Dude, just start. Do a negative pushup if that’s all you can do. And don’t believe that crap about letting your muscles heal, workout every single day.
                If you’re gaining weight around your belly, then you can bulk up your chest and arms
                Warty posted a link about jogging up the hill, and the line was “it gets easier, but you have to do it every day.”

                1. Thanks, but doing that everyday is onerous…and you can call it crap all you want but I am pretty sure muscles need time to heal.

                  1. You can exercise your arms and core everyday with little risk of injury. Running long distances everyday is what will hurt you, especially if your form is bad.

                  2. It is onerous in that you have to do it every damn day, but 30 minutes for core training is plenty, at least once you get going. When you first start, you may need more sets and more time between sets, for instance. But, eventually, you’ll be able to do a hundred pushups, 60 curls, and 3 sets of Warty’s squats during the commercials of your favorite sitcom.
                    (BTW, thanks Warty, you’ve helped me without ever knowing it)

              3. A real John Nash

                1. Those aren’t equations on Cytotoxic’s windows.

    3. I thought this was a spot the not. I was gonna say the pushups

      1. I would have guessed the premise: APFT.

        1. APFT is not some kind of PED? I’m shocked!

  8. I guess LeCunt won’t mind if I take away his statins and other medications he probably has to take for eating poorly and/or being out of shape. Apparently those things aren’t *really* extending his lifespan.

    They can override that veto right?

    1. The vote was unanimous. It only requires 2/3 to override.

      According to the linked story, they are holding a special session on April 29 to vote on overriding items he has vetoed.

      1. So, he’s not real popular? An R, by any chance?

        1. He’s R, and he at least *was* popular. Did some good things. Sarc likes him and knows more about him.

      2. A special session just to override his vetoes? Wow.

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    1. Agile! Where you been, man?!

      1. I hate it when I start typing with my fingers on the wrong home keys, too.

        1. I will only say that none of those code groups means “woodchipper”.

          1. You know who else transmitted information in code?

            1. John Nash??

            2. Don Adams?

          2. If that’s a simple substitution code, I bet I could break it in about 20 minutes. Of course, I have better things to do with my time.

  10. OT:
    Was in Europe when the Panama Papers were released, and the English-language TV news programs were aghast, (I say *AGHAST!*) that people would legally avoid paying taxes.
    They interviewed one Finnish poobah who now ‘bureacrated’ in the EU, and he compared tax avoidance to ‘a cancer on the market!’
    OK, am I to believe he hands over his entire paycheck and hopes the government gives him a tithe?
    (and, yes, I just ‘verberated’ bureaucrat)

    1. Well, that’s where their slush funds come from so duh.

  11. What a useless rag ESPN has turned into. They’re slowly turning into Rolling Stone Magazine.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.c…..urt-885765

    1. When were they useful?

      Something completely different: did you hear that Trudeau now loves him some pipelines? Ho man yeah, ‘leap’ that eco-nazis.

      Also, the NDP got plastered in Manitoba. Their one province is now…Alberta.

      1. Didn’t see Trudeau but not surprising given, you know, it’s Canada’s fucking LIFELINE.

        The NDP getting pasted in Man. I saw. How they get elected at all is beyond me. I know people get fed up of the other two but with our luck the third option is left-wing.

        Albertans are retarded. I’ll never look at them the same way again.

        1. It wasn’t so much that the NDP won in Alberta as the Tories destroying themselves.

          The Tories had 40 years to build up a nest egg, but they blew it. They actually ran deficits when oil was at its peak.

          After Ralph Klein, the Tories just lost their minds.

          1. Thissity this. And then there was the whole ‘RED WEDDING’ re-enactment courtesy of the Bitch We Will Not Name and Preston Manning.

        2. Go easy on ESPN. They led the charge to Shaw suspended, for which I give praise.

          1. The Shaw *incident* typifies why I’ve come to loathe and distrust modern media and the perpetually outraged who circle wagons sniffing out blood.

            He said what he said – and quite frankly spare me the BS about ‘he can’t say that!’ We can say anything we want as ostensibly free peoples – got caught, was fined and suspended and apologized. Move on. But noooo…

            People still want to pile on the guy with the NHL wanting to give him sensitivity training. Give me a break.

            How is this not a form of bullying anyway?

            1. I’d agree with you…if he didn’t play for the Blackhawks.

              But he does so fuck’im, I hope we bounce them tonight.

              And yes, I did say, “We”. I’m on the team in my mind, damnit!

              1. If they get past Chicago watch out! That’s their mental hurdle.

    2. ESPN has been unwatchable for the past 10 years or so

      1. Unreadable too.

      2. “ESPN has been unwatchable for the past 10 years or so”

        You’re entirely too kind. The obnoxious twit known as Chris Berman used to make up cute nik-names.
        I turned the TV off (before remotes) when he giggled that we were watching Jeff *SEE-THROUGH* Blauser.
        What a comedian, right?

  12. I just sent this wonderful work of satire to my friend who has a wife who doesn’t believe in vaccinating their child.

    Science is great. It’s done a lot of good for the world, to be sure. It’s just not right for me or my family.

    We have opted for a more controversial but totally natural method called “Please No Bad.” Periodically, as a family, we’ll squeeze our eyes shut, cover our ears, and chant, “Please no bad.” This chemical-free protective measure has worked for us so far and we’re going to keep on using it, despite the hatred we receive from others.

    1. Is a broken link satire? Because if it is, I don’t get it.

      1. I thought you people were nice. Here is the link, sir.

        1. ‘I believe most illnesses can be cured by eating garlic. Yes, even scoliosis. It’s something about the pH balance being off, and garlic fixes that. When in doubt, eat more garlic. I eat it raw, like a tiny apple, sixteen to seventeen heads of garlic a day. My skin has never felt so soft.”

          Nice.

          1. I kind of like raw garlic.

        2. Crusty Juggler|4.21.16 @ 10:19PM|#
          “I thought you people were nice”

          HAAAAAAAAAAAAA, Haaa, haa, hah!

    2. SFed the link…

    3. Here’s what I do believe in: toxins. I believe that toxins are in everything, and even though I can’t exactly articulate what these toxins are or where they come from… or what they’re doing that’s apparently threatening my life, I know they’re there. And as a mother, you can be damned sure I’m going to do everything in my power to make sure that these imaginary toxins don’t get into the pure white light embodiment of the physical plane occupied by my nine beautiful children. My husband and I practiced magical thinking as a form of birth control, and we have had sex way more than nine times. How’s that for proof?

      I like it. The photo is pretty awesome too.

      I was reminded of the Green Party Candidate‘s profile =

      She is the co-author of two widely-praised reports, In Harm’s Way: Toxic Threats to Child Development.. and Environmental Threats to Healthy Aging, published in 2009. The reports promote green local economies, sustainable agriculture, clean power, and freedom from toxic threat. Jill began to advocate for the environment as a human health issue in 1998 when she realized that politicians were simply not acting to protect children from the toxic threats emerging from current science. She offered her services to parents, teachers, community groups and a native Americans group seeking to protect their communities from toxic exposure.

      1. She is even worse because she is a Harvard-trained physician. Oh no.

  13. “Naloxone Insulin does not truly save lives; it merely extends them until the next overdose reaction to high blood sugar,”

    /LeDerp

    1. Excellent.

      Antibiotics do not truly save lives; they merely extend them until the next infection.

    2. The best ANY medicine can do is extend life. Immortality pills don’t exist yet, much to the chagrin of Ron Bailey.

  14. It’s like back in the prohibition days, when the government poisoned alcohol so if it was used for an unintended purpose (like drinking), it would kill people.

    Prohibitionists not only think prohibition is worth killing people over, they are actually pretty gleeful about it.

    1. “Prohibitionists not only think prohibition is worth killing people over, they are actually pretty gleeful about it.”

      Authoritarians tend toward that view.
      Ever see Stalin apologize for the millions he murdered? Khrushchev did for Stalin’s murderous efforts, and some of the later popes similarly did for the earlier popes’ activities.
      With much the same result.

  15. Spot the Not: former jobs of ISIS fighters

    1. beekeeper

    2. elementary school principal

    3. perfume salesman

    4. airline steward

    5. Tunisian soldier

    6. Starbucks barista

    1. I’m going to go with Barista. No one can sink lower than that.

    1. Iraqi Tactics = “Everyone bunch together! near the low wall! where you can be profiled!! No, closer to the car-bomb!”

      You can see the shock wave change the color of the grass. That was a big !@#*&@ boom.

      1. During basic training, we did some imagination time patrols. On one of them, we were in the woods when we got ambushed from a short distance away. We were taught in that case, to form a line and advance while shooting.
        Unfortunately, there was an enemy machine gun nest hidden off to our left, and as soon as they saw us they started shooting. Because we were all bunched up and facing the wrong way, we all “died”.

        The lesson? Expect the enemy to attack you from multiple directions simultaneously.

        1. imagination time patrols

          That sounds like an after-school kids show on PBS.

      2. I think I have a better grasp of battlefield tactics from video games.

        Not all of them suck. There is one Iraqi M1 tank called The Beast that is so combat effective Coalition observers thought it was multiple tanks.

        1. Cytotoxic|4.21.16 @ 11:39PM|#
          “I think I have a better grasp of battlefield tactics from video games.”

          Of course you do. You think you know how everyone else should be at risk.
          Pathetic.

          1. I don’t think it-I know it. Being informed and good at thinking is the opposite of pathetic. My physical condition is what’s pathetic.

          2. I don’t think it-I know it. Being informed and good at thinking is the opposite of pathetic. My physical condition is what’s pathetic.

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          15. I don’t think it-I know it. Being informed and good at thinking is the opposite of pathetic. My physical condition is what’s pathetic.

            1. The squirrels are the opposite of pathetic; soon they shall rule us all.

  16. Yup. We’ve taken this bullying thing a bit too far:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/…..-1.3544358

    Without being told why, a 12-year-old boy was asked to leave the classroom by the teacher. His classmates were instructed to think of insults as part of the lesson.

    After being called back into the classroom, the boy was met with a flurry of insults, ranging from “idiot” to profanity-laced taunts.

    “There were no limits,” one parent, who asked not to be named to protect the identity of their child, told Radio-Canada.”

    More disturbing? How easily we listen to authority figures.

    1. I command you to stop taking orders!

    2. But enough about how you run your daycare…

      1. My sister called asking to put decorative stuff on trees.

        I suggested skulls.

        Dead air.

        1. That is the trees on our property.

      1. meh. I still think Roman Catholic mass – done right, mind you… Latin, in a proper cathedral with stained glass, vaulted ceilings, hopefully stone walls, incense, lots of gold in the robes… – is pretty freaking awesome entertainment for kids.

        Its got lots of “showbiz” quality (latin! smoke! an altar with a secret cup!, chanting and kneeling). Short of pulling a beating heart out of a man’s chest, its straight out of Hollywood. plus, all kids love ‘myths and legends’. The bible isn’t much different than the ancient Greek gods & myths at a young age, and you’re about as likely to be ‘harmed’ by either. I think it fosters creative imaginations and respect for the value of ‘ritual’ as a psychological device. And aside from the alcohol consumption, i think Catholics tend to do pretty good overall regardless. I think Bad Lieutenant & the child molesting stuff has given it an unfair rap.

        in seriousness, i’ve always been underwhelmed when attending ceremonies for other religions. I’m like, “What, no *pipe organs*? pppt… then how do you scare the shit out of people?”

        1. I attended a mass once in (Cologne? somewhere in Germany) with a proper pipe organ and it was unreal. Like resonating in your bones.

        2. For me, church has always been boring for the same reason that school was boring: you sit silently in a chair and listen to someone else talk. I prefer conversation.

        3. then how do you scare the shit out of people?

          Like this

          1. You tell them the guy on the right is going to be the next head of the Department of Justice.

          2. I always regret never managing to attend a snake-handling church while in college in TN. I was provided at least 2 opportunities.

            I DID go to a Pentacostalist haunted-house event down there. On lots of chems.

            There’s a very good documentary about people doing one of those things,…. part of which is here. Its AWESOME. *(the movie). The link here has an intro by a gay-kid who talks about his own experience w/ these things, so i skipped to the movie part. Find that movie and watch the whole thing. one of the best docos i’ve ever seen.

            1. Chems are like vitamins, right?

              1. “Vitamin A” “Vitamin X” and “organic wild harvested mushrooms” if you’re from down here in God’s Country

  17. You know what? Good. Fuck them. Why does every useless life need to be saved?

  18. Even in humans, wiener ownership isn’t as simple as “boys have this; girls have that.” That’s because humans have both gender and sex, and those two things don’t always match. Somebody can be born with a wiener, but not be a boy. Somebody else can be a boy, but not have a wiener. Some people are born with reproductive anatomy that is neither wiener nor hoo-ha (technical name: vagina). There is a lot of diversity out there.

    So let’s concentrate on a different question: ….

    The article devolves into lots of detail about sex-selection in non-human species which doesn’t seem even remotely relevant to the actual human-question being raised.

  19. Pols do love them some dead junkies.

  20. The sinister politician justified his decision to keep a life-saving drug essentially unavailable (in a state with 272 overdose deaths in 2015) by saying it “serves only to perpetuate the cycle of addiction.”

    He’s discovered the cure for addiction – death by overdose.

    1. Old Bull Lee swears by his orgone accumulator
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone

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