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2Chainz Scores Libertarian Points in Legal Pot Debate with Nancy Grace

"I just feel like everybody should basically take care of their own."


Nancy Grace
Nancy Grace

Rapper 2Chainz debated the subjects of marijuana legalization and drug culture with Nancy Grace on her show last night. He dressed his argument for legal pot in the language of personal responsibility, leading The Atlantic's David Graham to semi-jokingly hail him as a "conservative icon." But conservatives should back off; it's the libertarians who have a claim on this provocative hip hop artist.

2Chainz's performances are indeed laden with drug imagery, and he appears to smoke pot in his music videos. To Grace's slight credit, she didn't accuse 2Chainz of being personally irresponsible with drugs or putting his own children in danger. Rather, her argument was that his promotion of drug culture would lead other people to abuse drugs and hurt themselves and their families.

But right off the bad, 2Chainz tossed that argument out in awesome libertarian fashion:

I don't think you could put an umbrella on the whole community [of drug users]… I just feel like everybody should basically take care of their own… so it's about governing your own household, it's about taking care of your own property, it's about having some kind of structure.

If people abuse drugs, blame them, not the drugs, argued 2Chainz.

Like a true libertarian, he also went after the drug war, criticizing marijuana prohibition as a costly failure with many ill social effects. At one point, he mentioned that nonviolent drug convictions were making it tough for black people to buy homes. Grace's retort would persuade no one: "If you want to qualify for a home, then why don't you just not smoke pot?"

2Chainz also fretted that drug investigations were a waste of taxpayer dollars—something he knows from personal experience.

Decide for yourself who won the debate below. More from Reason on Nancy Grace—who believes "Hopped Up Reefer Maniacs Are Strangling People, Killing Whole Families"—here.

And watch Nancy Grace debate her worst enemy here.

NEXT: Can't Marijuana Be a Business Instead of an Issue?

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  1. Nancy Grace is a moronic fucking cow.

    1. What's interesting about your comment is that there was absolutely no reason to bring gender into it.

      1. Moronic fucking buffalo, then?

      2. Nancy Grace is a moronic fucking bovine barnyard animal.

      3. Is cow gendered?

          1. Or even when not used as an insult - cows are female cattle.

            1. Apparently, specifically, a female cow that has born offspring.

          2. Oh. I see. Well, in that case, fuck off.

      4. She's fat and stupid, how would you like me to put it?

          1. I dunno, she seems like someone who might get her advice from Don Lemmon.

      5. Well, she is female, so there kinda is. It has no bearing on her moronicity, but it would be silly to call her a moronic dude.

        She is a moronic cow is an accurate statement. I would have said stupid, evil bitch, but Hetero isn't wrong.

        1. But see that's bringing gender into it too. Why not just say she's as dumb as a pile of shit or a sack of hammers? Plenty of ways to point out how stupid she is without implicitly denigrating her gender.

          1. Nancy denigrates her gender all by herself.

            1. Nancy Grace denigrates her order, class and phylum at the very least. Somewhere there's a tapeworm watching TV and thinking, "Evolution, my ass."

          2. Peter King is a fucking stupid dick. Make you feel better?

          3. So implicit you have to be an insane SJW to see it.

          4. You make a great point, hugh. I wonder how the feminist linquist movement works in countries with gendered languages, like the romance languages? Are there protests against pencils carrying a female gender?

            1. La Penis / Le Vagine

        2. Not really stupid. Not smart, either. Clever and sociopathic.

      6. Hey, no need to be such a dick about it! /sarc

      7. More importantly, it's an insult to cows, which is culturally insensitive.

        I'd say Nanny Grace is a moron, but that would be an insult to the differently-abled.

        Suffice to say, Nanny Grace is a useless waste of space and airtime. I'm amazed that anybody watches her show. Three minutes of the video was all I could stand, and enough to demonstrate that even a doped-up rapper makes a more coherent argument.

        1. I'm amazed that anybody watches her show.

          It may comfort you to know that there's a shit ton of stupid people.

          1. Doesn't that kinda presume people are watching her only because they agree with her?

            Maybe there are those that watch to laugh, or to get outraged at her.

            I'm kinda surprised that her channel was on in...what, Popeye's? But maybe it was there for news, and the remote got lost, or people were too lazy to attempt to change the channel. Who knows?

            1. Is the name of her show "Confirmation Bias: with Nancy Grace"?

            2. I've only ever seen her show in public venues, like waiting rooms and lobbies. AFAICT, no individuals watch her show. And I always carry a Micro Spy Remote I got from ThinkGeek a few years ago. It's great for muting or turning off those annoying waiting room TVs. Fun too.

      8. You dumb asshole, fuck off.

      9. No reason to insult cows either.

    2. As I read on this site years ago, Nancy Grace is the proof that God hates us.

    3. I think "cunt" might applicable with respect to this particular individual.

  2. Seems like the only rational response to anything that Nancy Grace says is to beat her to death with a chair.

    1. That's a waste of a good chair.

      1. You don't use a good chair to beat Nancy Grace to death, silly, you use a shitty chair - like the vice-chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, for example.

  3. Wait, Nancy Grace is still around? Why did I think that she was killed driving off the cliff with her lesbian lover, Casey Anthony? Well, bisexual lover.

    1. Of course she's still around; those massive libel lawsuit settlements aren't going to pay for themselves!

  4. Hey, Nancy Disgrace, if you want to be seen as an intelligent person, then why don't you just not say stupid shit?

    1. Smart shit doesn't pay. I mean, there's a reason TLC, Discovery, and the History Channel have turned to dwarf-tossing, reality programing, and aliens, after all.

  5. What amazes me is not the libertarian comments from 2Chainz but that he could stomach talking to that... that face.

    There's a reason I blocked HLN from my channel lineup. I don't want my kids to have nightmares.

  6. Even scarier than Nancy Grace is the fact that there is an audience for Nancy Grace.

    1. No greater indictment of America can be found than this, other than the election of the current president. And most of Congress.

    2. Why, oh why, can't we have the greats of talk-show psychosis back.,_Jr.

      1. He was the poor man's Joe Pyne.

      2. . Downey also had a stint on WMAQ-AM in Chicago where he unsuccessfully tried to get other on air radio personalities to submit to drug testing

        Really? This from someone who grew up next to the Kennedy compound?

    3. I can't stand her as much as the next non-imbecile, but hey, she used to be a prosecutor. Better that she's on TV than wielding actual power of the state.

      From Wikipedia:

      "While a prosecutor, Grace was reprimanded by the Supreme Court of Georgia for withholding evidence and for making improper statements in a 1997 arson and murder case. The court overturned the conviction in that case and found that Grace's behavior "demonstrated her disregard of the notions of due process and fairness and was inexcusable." As well, a 2005 federal appeals opinion by Judge William H. Pryor, Jr. found that Grace "played fast and loose" with core ethical rules in a 1990 triple murder case, including the withholding of evidence and allowing a police detective to testify falsely under oath. "

  7. I couldn't watch that. Can someone edit Grace out?

  8. I nearly turned it off after 2 1/2 words out Nancy Grace's mouth. Good lord that woman has got to be the most annoying woman on Earth. I wouldn't mind going on her show but I think I would have to ask her to write her drivel on board because I can't concentrate with the sound of her voice attacking my ear drums.

    1. I have never turned on her show under my own power, but one time, a friend wanted to go to Popeye's, and there she was on TV, berating someone at some length for violating a law that didn't even exist. (She later apologized.)

      1. If the left was smart, they'd use her as example of why we need limits on free speech.

  9. And watch Nany Grace debate her worst enemy here.

    Freudian slip FTW!

  10. She's like a left-wing novelist's conception of a blond, Southern Fox News host. Except for the part about siding with Al Sharpton against the Lacrosse players.

  11. Not gonna lie - I'd let Nancy Grace suck my cock. She's not good for anything else - but I'd let her do that.

    1. I now picture you with dark glasses, a white cane, and a german shepherd on a harness.

      1. And deaf.

        1. Not necessarily. A true Southern woman will not talk with her mouth full.

    2. Wait, what? Man, there really is a fetish for anything.

  12. Legit top-5 funniest character on television. SO much funnier than Colbert.

  13. To be honest 2Chainz isn't actually a great libertarian mind or a convincing speaker much less the public face you want to put on this movement.

    Then again Nancy Grace has an IQ 2 degrees below room temp and falling. It's tough to decide who I find more instantly annoying her or Rachael Madcow

    1. I would imagine that Grace *chose* this guy to represent the legalization side.

      1. From my skimming, it looks like she was running videos of potheads and kids with pot, and of 2Chainz's videos and rap lyrics, while they were talking.

        Her target audience will get the picture - foul-mouthed pothead advocates dope use while scary footage plays showing the damage of pot.

  14. I hear what you're saying. (But that's all I can say because I can't refute the content).

  15. I see three fails here:

    1. Picking a musician, rather than any kind of expert, to defend legal drug use
    2. Picking a black rapper, playing to racial stereotypes
    3. Losing the debate anyway

  16. This is the first time I've seen her, and Nancy Grace is a mendacious twit. Her continued reference to the 2 year old was such a strawman that I was literally screaming at the monitor. I've known plenty of cases where alcohol was given to small children, yet somehow it's the marijuana that's the issue, not the lousy parenting (or perhaps even psychotic parenting).

    My father used to say that 100 was the average IQ and that for each one of us above that number, there was someone below that number. Based on this video, I now know that she is from that segment of the population.

  17. This is a dude that clearly does not know what is going on.

  18. Fuck that lying piece of shit fake blond bitch cunt.... And duke lacross .... Bitch

  19. "It's mine I spend it"

  20. Debating Nancy Grace reminds me of this line:
    "What have you done when you have bested a fool?"
    ? Charles Portis, True Grit

  21. If people abuse drugs, blame them, not the drugs, argued 2Chainz.

    Holy shit, it's as if a million progressive voice cried out, and then were silenced.

  22. But conservatives should back off; it's the libertarians who have a claim on this provocative hip hop artist.

    Why can't both applaud his message? Honestly, I'd say if conservatives were genuinely honest in their claims of believing in personal responsibility and individualism, they'd reach much the same conclusion as libertarians. I'll take it a step further. Hell, if progressives woke up one morning and decided they wanted to champion personal responsibility, governing your own property and household, and having structure come from personal discipline, rather than the overarching state, I'd applaud them in that effort, as well.

  23. my classmate's sister-in-law makes $82 every hour on the computer . She has been without work for nine months but last month her paycheck was $15360 just working on the computer for a few hours. read the article...........

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