On The Independents: Rep. Thomas Massie on the House Leadership Fight, Peter Suderman on the Gas Tax, Huckabee 2016, #BlackBrunchMatters, NYPD Blue, Harshing Sleds, the Bullet Train to Madera, and After-show

The last time show-fave Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) was on The Independents, well, it was pretty funny; watch here. Tonight the libertarian-leaning Republican is on to talk about the GOP backbench's semi-annual fit of petulance against House Majority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio), who Massie has called "undemocratic" and "irresponsible."

Speaking of libertarian dreamboats, beloved Senior Editor Peter Suderman will be on to speak of the fresh hell that is some members of the new GOP majority talking about raising gas taxes.

The Party Panel tonight (Ellis Henican of Newsday, Ellison Barber of the Washington Free Beacon) will talk about how the nation survived the horror of yesterday's #BlackBrunch protests, plus the latest NYPD revolt against the mayor, the eternal return of Mike Huckabee, and a little Harvardfreude.

Other topics on the show include regulations against sledding, California's groundbreaking of the $68 billion high-speed train from Fresno to Madera, and of course whatever nonsense bubbles up on the online-only aftershow, at foxbusiness.com/independents.

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[Rufus J. Firefly]

Henican.

There's still time to annoy me in 2015.

[GILMORE]

Is there a livestream somewhere for the Canada Russia game?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Try first row sports.

http://firstrowca.eu/sport/ice-hockey.html

[GILMORE]

Thanks

Although i think i was starting to learn Lithuanian

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I've picked up a few languages on that site.

I always ask 'pass the salt' in Latvian now.

[GILMORE]

The only shit i can find?

http://live.drakulastream.eu/s.....64580.html

in russian.

[Almanian!]

Anything called "drakulastream" has to be good

[GILMORE]

I'm starting to think its not russian at all. Something in that ballparkski

I confess = i'm starting to realize that i really don't like listening to color-commentary to hockey at all, and prefer just watch the game.

[Sevo]

I thought this was CHESS!

[Otis B. Driftwood]

Huckabee 2016

Even my shit-kicking, fundie kinfolk in TN won't support this rube. The GOP will ensure that "Stands With Pants On Fire" is elected our next POTUS.

[Palin's Buttplug]

The path is being cleared for Jeb.

[Otis B. Driftwood]

Fuck off, partisan twat.

[Sevo]

Palin's Buttplug|1.5.15 @ 9:14PM|#
"The path is being cleared for Jeb."

By that noted scout, squaw Pants-on-Fire!
Fuck off, turd.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Dish and Fox still at war, and I am a casualty.

Avenge me! AVENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGE MEEEEEEEEE!

[Almanian!]

PWND

[pogi]

WOLVERINES!

[Almanian!]

Thoughts on #BlackBrunch? My comment was, "You interrupt my lunch I paid good money for, Ima just keep eatin' and ignore you." This in response to some douche's "Pro Tip - stand a respect when people interrupt you for #BlackBrunch."

No. kthxbai

Other views?

[Almanian!]

Oh, PS, the extra-shitheaded interruption of an event honoring some old WWII vet? Stay classy, protesters.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Look, don't talk about some boring war, talk about something *relevant* to racism!

(whisper whisper)

Oh, really? Well, then, whatever.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Protests like this are just a way to jack off in public to the cheers of the already-convinced, without caring about the response of people who are on the fence.

[Almanian!]

Yeah, this, too

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Also, to intimidate fence-sitters with the impression of momentum for The Cause.

A strategy which totally won't backfire at all.

[GILMORE]

"Protests like this are just a way to jack off in public to the cheers of the already-convinced, without caring about the response of people who are on the fence."

Exactly.

They don't give a fuck about appealing to people who are 'undecided' or trying to get more people to join their cause. they're just taking to the already-converted and basking in their own moral superiority.

[PapayaSF]

"Moral narcissism" is my new favorite phrase.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Yoo-hoo, remember those Oklahoma legislators who support Colorado's 10th Amendment power to legalize dope?

I looked up three of them, and they're no-kidding SoCons, thus providing evidence for my thesis that there are lots of SoCons in the limited-government camp. And they're in the limited-government camp even when it comes to teh marihuana!

http://reason.com/blog/2015/01.....nt_5000080

[PapayaSF]

I never considered it controversial that there were lots of SoCons in the limited-government camp.

[Cytotoxic]

thus providing evidence for my thesis that there are lots of SoCons in the limited-government camp.

An extremely tiny iota of evidence. No Eddie, real libertarians are not interested in jumping in bed with the people who think gays will ruin America's military or that unauthorized immigrants will doom us all. You're not one of us.

[F. Stupidity, Jr.]

I thought Bo was the True Scotsman detector?

[BigT]

It's the opposite Cyto. the Socons saw the Tea Party and had some common ground (hate of central govt) and jumped on the bandwagon. They want to be part of a popular winning team.

[Cytotoxic]

They're going to ruin the team. They ruin everything they touch.

[Redmanfms]

Really? They usually stand pretty tight with the neocon warmongers you worship.

[PapayaSF]

Zing!

[Cytotoxic]

ITT, retards rape strawmen.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"You're not one of us"

And you're not one of me, so kiss my big fat ass.

[Cytotoxic]

Yeah...what?

[Bill Dalasio]

This is just silly. If socons are willing to make common cause with libertarians, why would libertarians shy away from the opportunity (other than, of course, pointless posturing)? If your position is that you want people to be free, other than to live in accord with traditional values, someone isn't a libertarian here. And it isn't G.K.C.

[Redmanfms]

Cyto is a psychopathic warmonger who wants the United States military to lay waste to wherever and thinks toddlers aren't humans.

Why people still assume he's a libertarian is beyond me.

John and SIV are more libertarian than Cytotoxic.

[Cytotoxic]

Redmanfms is a retard and a typical peacenazi who can't actually attack my real positions, so he invents bogeymen.

Why people still assume he's a libertarian is beyond me.

That's because you're a peacenazi retard.

If socons are willing to make common cause with libertarians, why would libertarians shy away from the opportunity (other than, of course, pointless posturing)?

I'm willing to take their help where our interests come together. I am not interested in 'working with them'. These people are not pro-freedom. Their priorities are 'freak out over Mexicans and butt sex first, balance the budget never'. They just aren't useful.

[Warren's Strapon]

There are currently 40 Republicans in the Oklahoma senate, and 72 Republicans in the Oklahoma H of R. I think evidence of "lots" still needs to be demonstrated.

[GILMORE]

There's some rule about not ever putting two people in the same room with "Ellis" as their first name...

especially when one is super hot, and the other is super-annoying

[F. Stupidity, Jr.]

especially when one is super hot, and the other is super-annoying

Especially especially when the hot one has the name of a 1950's sci-fi author.

[antisocial-ist]

I've been out since football season started. Is this still a thing?

[antisocial-ist]

Also, hell of a game on now between ND and UNC.

[Sevo]

What network?

[Almanian!]

As I note most every week - this show is still on?

And STILL no Two Minutes Hate.

[BiMonSciFiCon]

Speaking of libertarian dreamboats, beloved Senior Editor Peter Suderman

Don't worry Matt, we won't tell Megan.

[BigT]

Matt: NYC full of a-holes.

Yes, 1000 times yes. Stay away or simply nuke it into oblivion.

[GILMORE]

Why a-you gotta make-a fun of the eye-talians? and yeah, long winters, lotsa holes.

[widget]

California's groundbreaking of the $68 billion high-speed train from Fresno to Madera,

Windbreaking.

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 05 January 2015

Fair Deal-Edition

- Kennedy: Maroon has a booby-enlarging effect for Kennedy. Maybe its just an illusion created by shadows, sort of like the abdominal muscles in the movie 300. We like Maroon for ties but on women it makes us think of High School guidance counselors and other generally un-sexy things.

- Matt: Interesting; light-grey suit #2 with a subdued light blue tie. We were positively impressed with the shiny grey tie he had on last week, but this improves upon that significantly. Our new favorite! Still waiting on purple.

(*I confess = light grey suits are my favorite and i'm a sucker for anything that isn't too garish or funky)

- Kmele: Charcoal blazer with a subtle, navy blue knit tie. Also *very* nice. Would be pretty dope with jeans even. The pocket square looks strangely large and maybe needs a little extra-deep tuck.

We give the win to Welch, who seems to be more-on-than-off lately, and is almost making us pine for the days when he would fail spectacularly at least once a week. Perhaps we will need to abuse the party panelists more often.

Labai A?i?

[BigT]

I noticed the same thing - for once Kennedy looks like a woman.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Gilmore re Canada-Russia:

http://firstrowca.eu/sport/ice-hockey.html

Democracy and liberty 3 Godless commie bastards 1 so far.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Make it 4-1.

[GILMORE]

Yeah i know i missed 2 goals while doing the attire review.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

A dedicated man you are.

[GILMORE]

5-1

I caught that one

[GILMORE]

3 quick ones from the former soviets

its a game

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Retarded.

I see 2011 all over again.

3-0 lead into the third and they won 5-3.

Start the 3rd with a PP.

Fuck me.

[Sevo]

"Democracy and liberty 3 Godless commie bastards 1 so far."

It's always wonderful when you get a game called by a neutral announcer!

[Palin's Buttplug]

Rufus the Canuck dumbass doesn't realize that Russia has a Putin supported official religion and a market based non single payer health system.

[Cytotoxic]

Humorless spaz spazzes out.

[Sevo]

Cytotoxic|1.5.15 @ 10:14PM|#
"Humorless spaz spazzes out."
Or:
Turd hopes for attention!

[Redmanfms]

Which you dutifully give him

Every.

Single.

Time.

[BigT]

Boehner has had his day in the sun. Time for new blood. Kick his ass out.

[Sevo]

BigT|1.5.15 @ 9:19PM|#
"Boehner has had his day in the sun."

Yeah, you could say that.

[antisocial-ist]

only if we're using a pretty liberal definition of the word "sun"

[BigT]

He may well have had some nights in the sun as well, from the look of him.

[Cytotoxic]

Only if his replacement is better ie not Gohmert.

[GILMORE]

Sport?

it aint bobsledding, KK

[BigT]

Is that girl now full of bull/

[All-Seeing Monocle]

You mean that rapist woman who physically assaulted her partner when he refused his consent?

[Cytotoxic]

Only the GOP could make getting rid of Boehner seem anything but fantastic (I speak of the Gohmert).

[antisocial-ist]

Best $100 million fundraising strategy for Huckabee: Power Ball.

[GILMORE]

Henican is full of shit. There's no cost savings at all.

[BigT]

But no one called him on it.

I don't know about the overall cost curve, but my cost has remained flat while my coverage has gotten much worse and my deductible has tripled. F Obama and everyone who ever supported this POS.

[Cytotoxic]

I read that as "Heineken is full of shit". No less true.

[GILMORE]

PABST BLUE RIBBON!

[GILMORE]

Observation =

No one dresses more gaudily and low-brow than sports commentators (*magicians, maybe)

However = Americans tend to go "chalkstripes, 3 piece, weird patterns", but fairly staid on shirts and ties.

Whereas, Brits (soccer) Aussies (rugby, etc), Canadians (hockey), all seem to have a 'similar but different' issue

...where they all wear the same conservative *suits*...but then wear the most godawful shirts and ties you could imagine. weird colored stripes and paisleys.

Footnote to Footnote =

- Suderman: Leaves the grey 'mad men' suit at home, and brings back his "Shoulderless" blue blazer with the giant hole in the lapel.... its not as bad as things used to be - the shirt looks great and the tie is a nice match - but his Stud-Factor has dropped significantly from his prior recent appearances. The Howard Cosell hairstyle isn't helping

[Sevo]

GILMORE|1.5.15 @ 9:56PM|#
"Observation =
No one dresses more gaudily and low-brow than sports commentators (*magicians, maybe)"

Uh: http://economictimes.indiatime.....a-mass.jpg
And I'd bet some TV evangelists beat him all hollow!

[GILMORE]

First off = the pope is a pimp

second, i agree - televangelists are in the same league

but no one, no one can fuck with Sportscasters in the 'tacky' category.

witness.... The Grand Master

[Sevo]

Whoa! That's GOOD!
How about http://www.bing.com/images/sea.....edIndex=11

[Heroic Mulatto]

Lesko has been on FoxBiz before, I wouldn't mind seeing him on the Independents.

Make this happen, Welch.

Also, make a performance of the Arbor Day Song live on the show happen.

[Sevo]

Heroic Mulatto|1.5.15 @ 11:14PM|#
"Lesko has been on FoxBiz before,..."

I can take a bit of humor about the guy; he's a caricature of himself.
But making a living pitching how to drag taxpayer money out of the gov't makes me a bit uncomfortable with him.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Would this change your mind?

Or how about this?

If he has a message, it's "don't hate the player, hate the game".

[Sevo]

OK, I'll take that crow medium-rare.

[GILMORE]

DOOBz

[Derpetologist]

Your daily derp:

Even a critic of The Satanic Verses, the Egyptian novelist and Nobel laureate Naguib Mahfouz, who felt the book was insulting to Islam, signed a petition stating that "no blasphemy harms Islam and Muslims so much as the call for murdering a writer". Five years later Mahfouz was stabbed in the neck by Islamic extremists.

http://www.theguardian.com/boo.....nic-verses

[JeremyR]

What I find really amusing is that on the right side, there is a link to a story about Kid Rock.

A story about Kid Rock in the Guardian?

[GILMORE]

Congrats Canada, good game.

[Plopper]

Forget Canada, explain to us in the other thread how producing and supplying something that people demand is parasitic.

[Sevo]

Which thread? Link, please.

[Redmanfms]

Nutcase stalker pedo going back to stalking people again, eh?

[Redmanfms]

Watching you relentlessly pursue GILMORE for the 2-3 days because he said something that triggered your crazy could be interesting...

[GILMORE]

Apparently you can't be against the drug war without also celebrating criminal drug dealers as Galtian, Captains of Industry struggling against the interferences of the Pernicious Regulators.

'but they shouldn't BE criminals'!

As noted = if cocaine were legal, people like Rick Ross would simply have found something else illegal to trade in. He purposely chose a business where 'competition' means killing the people who get in your way.

Fuck him.

[Jerms]

Two more cops shot close to where I work in the Bronx. Neither fatal.

[C. Anacreon]

talk about the GOP backbench's semi-annual fit of petulance against House Majority Leader John Boehner

A few years ago we were in New Zealand, and ate and drank at the traditional elected official's pub across the street from Parliament, "Backbenchers." Even hearing part of the GOP referred to that way brings back fond memories of lamb skewers and good beer on tap.

[Stormy Dragon]

Understatement of the year:

Firefighters rescue naked woman trapped in ex-boyfriend's chimney

Hernandez told CBS Los Angeles that the woman isn't allowed around his kids.

"I don't like the way she's acting or what she's doing," he said. "That's not good for my kids."

[C. Anacreon]

95% chance her diagnosis is acute mania. No doubt she thought she'd be like a sexy Santa for him and all would be forgiven.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

And how do we get more of that?

[Warrren]

Of course he doesn't want her near his kids, she's been in contact with the flue.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

*giggle*

[Winston]

House Majority Leader John Boehner

That's Kevin McCarthy you dumbasses. Have the pod people gotten to you?

[Winston]

Also why are Pelosi and Reid still in leadership positions?

[Warrren]

Because their heights match up perfectly for a legislative 69?

[Migrant Log Picker]

I laughed...golf clap

[Migrant Log Picker]

I laughed...(golf clap)

[Migrant Log Picker]

F'n skwerlz

[userve32]

Roll that beautiful bean footage dude.

http://www.AnonWayz.tk

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[helenlharris]

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