Tonight on The Independents: Red Meat Wednesday, With Justin Amash, Jeffrey Miron, TV's Andy Levy, and Your Host Matt Welch!

I will be in the Kennedy chair on tonight's episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, repeats three hours later), so you'll want to whir up the heckling machine early and often. Picking up the co-host slack will be Hot Air Editor at Large Mary Katharine Ham. But the important takeaway here is OMG Justin Amash's beard!

Our favorite libertarian-leaning Republican congressman from Michigan is back on in all his Movember glory, answering the eternal question, will the new GOP majority in Congress be worth a rip? His answers may surprise. Also getting the Q&A treatment is Harvard economist and occasional Reason contributor Jeffrey A. Miron, who will talk about his recent Cato working paper showing that recreational legalization of marijuana hasn't really had much measurable impact on drug use, crime, tourism, or much else besides.

Party Panel tonight is TV's Andy Levy (Red Eye co-host, cat-lover) and Julie Roginsky (Fox News contributor, Democrat). They will talk about the latest Jonathan Gruber video calling Americans dum-dums, the vaporware-tastic U.S.-China climate deal, the much more real specter of big-ass enviro-regs coming down the pike in the next three months, the persistence of global appetite for crappy beers, and Eminem's f-bomb fiesta in D.C. yesterday.

And the co-hosts will talk about some of the undercovered storylines in advance of the Ferguson Grand Jury announcement, and then name our weekly Enemy of Freedom. Follow The Independents on Facebook at facebook.com/IndependentsFBN, follow on Twitter @ independentsFBN, and click on this page for more video of past segments.

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[Heroic Mulatto]

Picking up the co-host slack will be Hot Air Editor at Large Mary Katharine Ham.

Just putting that out there.

[OldMexican]

If we’re discussing hotness, Andrea Tantaros has an edge with the best legs and rack in the lineup of Neo-con hotties. She has been showing half a buttock two days in a row in Outnumbered, especially yesterday when she was hitting on a retired Army general.

[AlmightyJB]

Never heard of her. Googled. Would. Multiple times.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Tantaros has the gams, I’ll grant you that. But MKH is someone you could take home to your mother.

My non-Platonic love for her is greater than Fd’As non-Platonic love for Stossel and Stossel’s mustache.

[Riven]

Whoa.

[Episiarch]

They’re both adorable looking. However, maximum creepfactor has to go to Michelle Malkin, who is extremely attractive physically and completely repulsive mentally. I still don’t understand how anyone could write a book called In Defense of Internment. It’s about the most appallingly collectivist thing imaginable.

[The_Millenial]

Personally, I don’t find her extremely attractive, but to each his own in that regard. I definitely agree with you about her wacko views though.

If Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin could reproduce (make sure you picture it in your mind), what do you think their child would advocate for?

[Episiarch]

Drowning people in internment camps for voting libertarian?

[Irish]

If Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin could reproduce (make sure you picture it in your mind), what do you think their child would advocate for?

In my mind: “Holy crap, why is Michelle Malkin having sex with that horse? Did it promise to help overthrow Bashar Al-Assad?”

[juris imprudent]

Threadwinner!

[The_Millenial]

Not only him, but also Kim Jong-un and Ayatollah Khamenei. In fact, it promised her a world where every people is free to detain the Japanese.

[Wasteland Wanderer]

Not all that surprising, actually; she is Filipino, after all, and I’d say there’s a good portion of them who wish we hadn’t stopped at two bombs.

[Irish]

Just for you HM.

Bill O’Reilly angrily telling Mary Katherine Ham that she must want babies to smoke pot.

[The_Millenial]

Maybe, that would make them stop crying so much. Sounds like a pretty okay idea to me.

[Florida Man]

what is wrong with you Irish? I tried to watch that video and smashed my head into my desk after 3 seconds because I couldn’t close the window fast enough. I just awoke with a severe headache but at least I didn’t have to watch Billy-0 yell at people while unconscious.

[Irish]

Bill didn’t even show up for 20 seconds! What, did the douchey leftist who opened the video enrage you that much? Didn’t even say anything that bad.

[Florida Man]

fine I was exaggerating. It was when he started yelling at Juan about how nobody gets arrested for drugs and if we legalize everyone will be on drugs. I can’t stand when people don’t let people answer the question they asked.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Bill is lucky she didn’t go HAM.

[GILMORE]

None cast a shadow on Naomi “Satan’s Naughty Daughter” Brockwell

That is all

[Riven]

I prefer brunettes or blondes to redheads. Sorry, son.

[GILMORE]

More for me

[Riven]

Sounds good! I just had a poor experience with a redhead.

She was absolutely gorgeous. She was also a complete train-wreck of a human being.

[JEP]

She was also a complete train-wreck of a human being.

Not having a soul will do that to you.

[Florida Man]

Wait. Wait. Now I’m convinced Riven is a government agent/plant. She is a female-libertarian-lesbian. No way that combo exist in real life. Any two of those things together is hotter than the sun. Nice try government, you won’t be discovering my swamp lair with your tricks!
/runs off into dark misty swamp.

[juris imprudent]

We’re definitely being trolled, but in a really good way.

[Agile Cyborg]

The Gilmore rolls… any man who goes by hair color is a fucking sexual nincompoop. Sorry Riven, you fucking sexual nincompoop.

[Episiarch]

So the fact that Riven is a chick has utterly escaped you, then. Maybe if you drank more…

[Agile Cyborg]

Hair color has nothing to do with anything. Do you even stick your dick in pussies, dear Riven?

[Trouser-Pod]

Umm, half a buttock, you say? You don’t happen to have photographic/video evidence of this, do you?

/Purely for research

[JEP]

Reminds me of the woman from Candide who was caught in a seige, so the soldiers cut off one of her buttocks for food…

[Slammer]

Andrea and her legs! (Bonus: look who’s sitting on her left)

[BakedPenguin]

“look who’s sitting on her left”

It almost looks like Kennedy, but that can’t be, she didn’t interrupt anyone.

[Agile Cyborg]

Riven goes by hair color… a slight smidgen of cottage cheesy on the left ankle is a buttock…

[Crusty Juggler]

Tantaro’s upper thigh did inspire me on the treadmill yesterday.

[The_Millenial]

She probably deserves a show over Hannity. Maybe, we should all push for that. If we’re going to get mainstream Republican/NeoCon views then it should at least come from someone who is nice to look at.

[Crusty Juggler]

I would sign that petition. Then again, any attractive woman talking about anything would be better than Hannity.

[Addie Lyn]

“Then again, any attractive woman talking about anything would be better than Hannity.”

I couldn’t agree more, and I’m a straight woman.

[Agile Cyborg]

Christ, your choice in women sucks horribly.

[Agile Cyborg]

Christ, your choice in women sucks horribly.

[Agile Cyborg]

Christ, your choice in women sucks horribly.

[GILMORE]

Mary Magdalene has a sad

[BakedPenguin]

3 sads, apparently

[GILMORE]

He’s a Trinity; that’s how he rolls

[OldMexican]

Party Panel tonight is TV’s Andy Levy (Red Eye co-host, cat-lover) and Julie Roginsky (Fox News contributor, Democrat). They will talk about the latest Jonathan Gruber video calling Americans dum-dums

Let’s see if Julie follows the same Moveon.org/DNC marching orders that were given to other Democratic pundits which are to use misdirection and obfuscations to minimize what Jonathan Gruber said and its implication, by instead pointing out to the great and wonderful things we received through Obamacare which, supposedly, we were too stoopid to see.

[Raven Nation]

Gruber was on some show today and actually said that what is going on is all part of the Republican strategy to lie and mislead the American people.

[GILMORE]

As opposed to the “Democrat strategy to lie and mislead the American people for their own good“, as so well explained by Professor Gruber

[The_Millenial]

Have you not heard of the ‘noble lie’? That makes it okay.

[Agile Cyborg]

In this case we should refer to ‘it’ as the ‘MIT lie’ because MIT produced a shitty brain human product that truly sucks like Satan on Eve’s left titty.

[The_Millenial]

Don’t you dare ever compare Satan with Gruber! One seduces the rich and powerful with feel-good lies and the other is Satan.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Everyone loves < i The Independents so much that there isn’t enough fodder for 2 Minutes Hate anymore.

[GILMORE]

“But the important takeaway here is OMG Justin Amash’s beard!”

We know what that means

[AlmightyJB]

This shows still on?

[Hyperion]

OMG Justin Amash’s beard!

Take a cue, Matthew, take a cue…

[Derpetologist]

I did not post any lunch time derp today. I figured Tony had that covered.

In other news, Mary Stack is linking to my blog and youtube channel on her google+ page.

Oh no! Mary, please don’t drive any more traffic to my web pages, I beg of you!
And whatever you do, please don’t post any more links to reason.com! It might cause people to accidentally expose themselves to libertarian ideas!

[Trouser-Pod]

I figured Tony had that covered.

Sonofabitch… I took a peek at that thread (yeah, I know, I know). His retardedness is Idocracy-level. You can tell he really wants to just say, “Hey, I just care more than you. Case closed” for every argument he starts, but thinks he can find some kind of facts to support his side and just pukes out nonsense.

[Derpetologist]

Gruber reminds me of a great Sowell quote:

“A talented con man, or a slick politician, does not waste his time trying to convince knowledgeable skeptics. His job is to keep the true believers believing. He is not going to convince the others anyway.”

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Macgruber!

[Crusty Juggler]

Grubes rips throats.

[Derpetologist]

2nd Gruber video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hcu1S2GKf0

[Derpetologist]

Better version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUOyqw5HhRI

[Juice]

The Dem talking point that I’ve seen over and over again is, “What about all the lies that Republicans told to keep the law from being passed, huh?”

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I wonder if Matt vomits each time before he hosts.

[Episiarch]

I know I do! Just kidding Matt! Is this thing on?

[GILMORE]

Matt has a dressing room routine he does before hosting

[Irish]

Via Iowahawk: Dramatic interpretation of Jonathan Gruber.

[Sevo]

I think this is a good place…
The Presidio Trust attempts to return a small lake to its condition at the time when the peninsula was populated by, oh, maybe 2,000 aboriginal people:

“Poison-powered kill-off of alien fish in historic S.F. lake”
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/…..888355.php

They’ve now killed all the exotics and they are re-introducing what are obviously some very fragile species that had been overwhelmed by the exotics.
The lake is at the edge of the Presidio parkland, say 50 yards from a GG Bridge on-ramp.
Anyone want to guess the date the first exotic gets dropped in there by some mommy who wants to get rid of that thing dad caught and didn’t kill?

[flye]

I claim 11/12/2014, unless the past counts.

[Crusty Juggler]

Mark Harmon totally banged Meg Ryan in the Presidio, but then Jack Warden messed everything up.

[GILMORE]

Wasn’t Sean Connery in that as well?

I’m betting Connery banged her first, and said, ‘You can have whatever’s left, Harmon’

[Crusty Juggler]

She was Connery’s daughter, so if he would have banged her it would have been a much different, and much better, movie.

However, Connery does provide us with this ridiculous scene, in which he fights a large man using just his thumb.

[Kool]

I assume he meant off set, in a trailer.
And said that in a ridiculously emphasized accent.
Also that thumb scene was great!
(Actor) Harmon couldn’t have pulled off that scene had the (character) rolls been reversed.

[GILMORE]

“I assume he meant off set, in a trailer.

And said that in a ridiculously emphasized accent.

No! I meant right on set, right before mark harmon was scheduled to shoot his ‘love scene’, only to find a sweaty Connery standing over a ravished Meg Ryan, and he delivered the line in a ridiculously emphasized accent while lighting a cigar with a match he strikes off her forehead

[Crusty Juggler]

That was when Meg Ryan was not unattractive, so you are right, Connery totally did as he pleased (with his thumb).

[JPyrate]

This is like trying to exterminate phrag, or rosa multiflora in the northeast. In less then a year the bull frogs, and snapping turtles will be back, eating everything in sight.

[Sevo]

On topic, Happy Holidays, Mr. Gruber!

RG linked this CNN vid in the ‘Obo lost’ thread:
“Third video emerges of Obamacare architect insulting voters”
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/12/…..c=politics

Here’s the holiday present:
“The videos were documented over the course of the last year by Rich Weinstein,[…] Weinstein tells CNN he has many more videos in his collection.”

[The_Millenial]

Life is too short to drink shitty beer. That is all.

[BakedPenguin]

You must be young. The rest of us learned this in college. (Or college age).

[The_Millenial]

Guilty as charged.

[Crusty Juggler]

Shitty beer causes you to pound three or four as quickly as possible so that you can deal with the taste. Shitty beer teaches you how to drink like a man! YEAH!

[GILMORE]

Were it not for shitty beer, how could a man learn to Shotgun properly?

My high school buddies and i still do this whenever we get the chance. The kids find it hilarious.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Kids need videos to learn that nowadays? What’s next? A Khan Academy series on how to masturbate?

[GILMORE]

It is sad. Perhaps the declining birth rate means that fewer children have Older Brothers to teach them how to Shotgun beers and/or twist a spiff perfectly without those silly rolly-machines.

I was never so proud as when i went to amsterdam the first time and a local coffee-shop patron said…. ‘clearly you know what you’re doing’.

[Heroic Mulatto]

I didn’t even know they had machines for that.

[BakedPenguin]

Hey, I didn’t say there wasn’t a time and place for shitty beer. That time and place is under the age of 25.

True story: I had very long hair and a mustache at 18, so I seldom got carded. I went to the local ABC to find they had a special on something called “Texas Light”. $5.65 a case (this was cheap as hell, even in 1988) I bought two cases.

I was struggling to carry these (they were 4 6-packs on cardboard flats, I had to hold them in front of me) back to my apartment (no car in those days), and as I was about a block from my place, a cop car pulled over right toward me. I thought about my options, all of which seemed pretty shitty. I just came to a stop, hoping the appearance of compliance would make it seem like I had nothing to hide. Had I drank anything previously, I think it would have been exiting me at this point. The cop car slowed to a crawl, and the cop on the passenger side rolled down his window.

“Need any help with that?” he yelled. Then they drove off.

[Crusty Juggler]

Texas Light!

The beer of my disgusting youth was Beast Ice, the nastiest beer from nastyville. It puts Genny Cream Ale to shame, and it is much stronger as well.

[BakedPenguin]

Very familiar with Genny Cream, which was my fave cheap beer, for whatever reason. I dealt with the Beast a lot, too, but I think the Ice was after I graduated to better libations.

I’ve never even seen Texas Light since that one time.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Natty Light was my horrible youth beer.

[seguin]

Ours was Keystone Light.

[Slammer]

Raaaaaaaaaaa-neeeeeeeeeeiiiiirrrrr beeeeeeeeer

[Crusty Juggler]

Walt Longmire drinks Ranier beer…everyone that knows him knows that.

[Sevo]

“Charles McCabe was renowned in San Francisco for his satirical newspaper column in the Chronicle under the byline “The Fearless Spectator”, and for his robust social life centered around the many “watering holes” he frequented.
[…]
McCabe would arrive at the Chronicle offices at 5th and Mission at what his colleagues called the “ungodly hour” of 8AM. He would feverishly type up his column and then leave before 9AM to get his breakfast of five or six “Green Deaths” at Gino and Carlos”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_McCabe

The only bar I ever saw that had Rainier in the cooler.

[GILMORE]

The shittiest of the shitty beer i first drank was probably Carling Black Label, which could be had at around $5 a case in 1988. Which i think had something to do with the fact that the brewer that owned the brand went bankrupt in 1991

[BakedPenguin]

Okay, even Andy Levy confirmed it. Black Label was the worst beer in the history of beer.

[Derpetologist]

Classic Derp: The Yacht Tax

Way back in 1990, Democrats in Congress passed a special tax on yachts to appease the eat-the-rich crowd.

The result? Rich people bought foreign yachts and many American yacht builders went bankrupt. Thousands of good middle-class jobs vanished within a year.

Great job, morons.

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/02…..achts.html

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Speaking of fancy boats. John Kerry registered his yacht in Rhode Island I believe to avoid paying taxes in Massachusetts. Something like that. Maybe someone can chime in and explain it better.

[Sevo]

Why, look right here:
“Kerry yacht in R.I., saving $500,000”
[…]
“BOSTON — Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry is docking his family’s new $7 million yacht in neighboring Rhode Island, allowing him to avoid paying roughly $500,000 in taxes to his cash-strapped home state.”
Read more: http://triblive.com/x/pittsbur…..z3IuXyys5b

I’m sure he keeps a row-boat in Boston to show to the press.

[Rev-Match]

Rich people bought foreign yachts and many American yacht builders went bankrupt.

What are “economic incentives”?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Prediction: WELCH

[Crusty Juggler]

He really does not seem to know how to tie a tie.

[Crusty Juggler]

He really does not seem to know how to tie a tie.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I’m not little. Sniff.

[Rev-Match]

Welch is hosting. Sweet!

[Slammer]

Over/under on Matt interruptions?

[Heroic Mulatto]

31:7

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Total under.

[NotAnotherSkippy]

Can’t physically have less than 0 so a sucker’s bet.

[Sevo]

Saw your note on the Lockheed fusion; wonder why they bothered to release the story…

[NotAnotherSkippy]

Looking for money is my bet. I read a little bit of their disclosures and still didn’t see anything that novel. They do pay some homage to electrostatic confinement with their electron recirculation references, but still not anything remarkable. *shrug*

[Fist of Etiquette]

Congress didn’t know what they were voting for, either.

[Sevo]

Gruber forgot to explain they were gaming the congress-critters too.
‘Don’t worry, the insurance companies won’t pass the cost on to the customers! And MIT econ prof tells us so!’

[Rufus J. Firefly]

WHO WILL PROTECT MATT?!

[Rufus J. Firefly]

We already made the Die Hard references, pal.

[Crusty Juggler]

“They’re using artillery on us!”

[Fist of Etiquette]

These people voted Obama for a second term despite all of this. The voters are stupid.

[Slammer]

WTF? People are talking one at a time?

[Heroic Mulatto]

It’s respect for the HAM.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Matt knows how to work the table.

[Slammer]

Pivot man at the circle jerk.

[Crusty Juggler]

Matt eats the cookie?

[Rev-Match]

And stay on point and not interrupt.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Hilarious how the tone and body language changes with Matt at the helm.

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 12 November 2014

Uncle Joey-Edition

– Matt: Welch continues to bring on new ties, and all of them filling important gaps in his color-arsenal. This is the first true-grey tie we’ve seen and we love it; naturally my first thought is that it borrows from the monochrome hotness that Kmele routinely drops, but at least Matt seems to be learning. Only negative = dude, Lavalier Mic goes on the Lapel, not the tie.

– Mk Ham: Star Trek: Next Generation sent Mk Ham into the future to co-host on this program. TO SAVE THE UNIVERSE.

– Kmele: Monochrome Cardigan Hotness. We love when Kmele layers shades of grey* and this is one of the most appealing sweater combos we’ve ever seen. Its mellow and stylish at the same time. JCrew is now going to put you on their Fall catalog cover.

*note: this was NOT a reference to that porn-lit thing.

C?m ?n

[Fist of Etiquette]

Don’t you mean sent into the past?

[GILMORE]

THE SHOW WAS FILMED IN THE 1990s

[Fist of Etiquette]

THE ACTORS CAN’T SEND PEOPLE THROUGH TIME, ONLY THE CHARACTERS CAN.

[GILMORE]

AS FAR AS YOU KNOW

[Fist of Etiquette]

Levy forgets that there are personal incentives to most of Congress’ overreaches. The mandate mentality has little to do with it.

[Rev-Match]

Idk what “it” is, but ‘New Kennedy’ definitely has IT. (Mostly because she is not ‘Old Kennedy’…)

[Rufus J. Firefly]

She’s willing to lose jobs for this bull shit?

Ok. You first honey.

Unfuckingreal.

[Crusty Juggler]

She worked for Jon Corzine, so that is how you know she is as honest as they come.

[GILMORE]

Let me guess = she was his driver?

[Fist of Etiquette]

She’s willing to toss jobs into the volcano to appease the AGW gods.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Wouldn’t AGW gods just be the weather gods? Like Thor or Shiva?

[NotAnotherSkippy]

Surely Apollo or Helios, burning us for our sins. After all, how many of us remember the old and proper ways?

[Heroic Mulatto]

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[lap83]

Finally! I can get the framed print depicting ancient child sacrifice I’ve always wanted.. and canvas wraps too?! I can’t decide!

[Fist of Etiquette]

When you think sex on campus, you think Stossel!

[Heroic Mulatto]

NO, I DON’T!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Mustache Rides 101

[SusanM]

OT: I think this is getting needlessly messianic

http://thinkprogress.org/justi…..s-america/

The makers of the “Ted Cruz To The Future Comic Coloring Activity Book” have announced a new supplement to their original effort to teach the wonder that is Ted Cruz to children, entitled “Ted Cruz Saves America.” The original Ted Cruz coloring book claimed to offer a “non-partisan, fact-driven view” of Senator Cruz. It claims that Cruz is a “passionate fighter for limited government, economic growth, and the Constitution,” and that Cruz’s failed effort to halt the Affordable Care Act “was so important because millions of citizens believe Obama Care is worse than any war. At least American soldiers have weapons with which to defend themselves.”

[PapayaSF]

It seems tongue-in-cheek to me, and far less worshipful than all the Saint Obama stuff from 2008. Let me know when schoolchildren are led in songs of praise for Ted Cruz.

[SusanM]

Let me know when Ted Cruz becomes anything more than a wannabe Rand Paul.

Papaya, do you really believe all that “Obama is an illuminati/freemason/socialist/Angry Black Man(tm)/etc.” crap? Or is that you just can’t let yourself accept that a colossal buffoon like the O Meister could be elected president without there being some sort of sinister agenda at work?

[Crusty Juggler]

Obama was born in Kenya, and uses chemtrails to subdue our natural urge to revolt against him.

[PapayaSF]

No, I don’t believe “all” the crap, because lots is obviously crap. But I do think he was “groomed” as a politician by people like Bill Ayers, and has a much farther left background than is acknowledged. I’d *love* to see his college records.

I’m on the fence about his mother’s CIA connections, which I first read about on pro-Hillary blogs in 2008. It seems possible, but not terribly important, and I don’t think he’s a CIA plant or anything.

[Crusty Juggler]

“I don’t believe all that crap.”

The chemtrails got to you, too.

[Sevo]

Papaya was on the grassy knoll! I’ve got sources!

[SusanM]

“Groomed” as in new politician kisses the rings of the local bigwigs and has to go to a certain church in order to show he’s “street” as well?

If he really were some radical socialist personality cult dictator rather than an ivory tower white-as-Pat-Boone pseudo-intellectual I think by now that more people besides Alex Jones would have caught on. I remember doing similar things in school when Reagan was president (in fact I had to write a letter to the White House as part of a civics lesson), and I’m sure every president before or since has been the subject of similar exercises.

[Sevo]

“I remember doing similar things in school when Reagan was president (in fact I had to write a letter to the White House as part of a civics lesson), and I’m sure every president before or since has been the subject of similar exercises.”

I went to government schools in Cinti in the ’50s and the ’60s.
I never had an assignment to write to any politico, and in fact, the first ‘political’ assignment I remember was to collect Ike *and* Stevenson newspaper ads and critique them.
I can recall no favoritism to either in the presentations.

[GILMORE]

OMG that’s ridiculous

[Heroic Mulatto]

I see that, and raise you one.

[Slammer]

I hope that link isn’t Cruz and DONKEY TIME!

[Heroic Mulatto]

It’s worse.

[Slammer]

Goddamit Grant Morrison! You wrote the Invisibles and the Filth fer gods sake get ahold of yourself

[PapayaSF]

One of my favorites.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Sounds like the coppers are being falsely accused 92% of the time!

[PapayaSF]

Ferguson protestors: “How dare anyone assume black men are prone to violence! BURN THIS CITY DOWN!!”

[Fist of Etiquette]

Subjecting our military to profanity?

[Rev-Match]

There is NO WAY a, relatively, small event that could have lead to a larger conversation on principles of governance did NOT DO SO.

[Crusty Juggler]

My guess? More of the same nonsense.

[Slammer]

“They teach them to rain fire on children, but their commanders won’t allow them to write Fuck on their airplanes”

[Fist of Etiquette]

Where’s my Topical Storm???

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Climate changed it.

[Sevo]

Nice

[Rev-Match]

I didn’t know Amash was even old enough to grow facial hair.

[Rev-Match]

Twenty-O-Eight

Fail.

[Juice]

Everyone knows it’s twenty aught eight.

[GILMORE]

IMO that does not qualify as a ‘beard’

That is ‘unshaven’. Call me back next month when he’s grooming his face-pelt.

[Rev-Match]

Not really a “trick” question, Welch.

[MJGreen]

Derrrr, Kim Kardashian is a bigger enemy of freedom than Harry Reid. Count on it!

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Exile on Main St. Nice.

[Crusty Juggler]

Snow is a Canadian reggae musician who sang “Informer.”

I am pretty sure the official drink of America is a glass of merlot with some ice cubes.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Snow is a Canadian reggae musician who sang “Informer.”

And he’s still more street than Kanye.

[Crusty Juggler]

The album was called “12 inches of Snow.”

A licky boom-boom down indeed.

[Rev-Match]

Guinness Draught is chocolate milk for grown-ups.

[Derpetologist]

Hmm. I lean towards the “Bud Light of Stouts” description.

I do like Guinness though.

Marston’s Oyster Stout is still my gold standard.

[juris imprudent]

Had an Evil Genius pumpkin chocolate porter yesterday. Very tasty.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Second time Julie goes after Matt.

WHO WILL PROTECT MATT?!

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Guy Lombardo and Glenn Miller!

[GILMORE]

Andy Levy has a sad; he does not know Bud is now owned by the Brazilian/Belgian Globocorp

[Crusty Juggler]

For a few seconds Ian McShane’s voice made me want to watch Hercules

[Rev-Match]

Fuck Pearl Jam. There, I said it.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I never got into some of the biggest bands of my generation. Bands like Pearl Jam, Nirvana and before them U2.

Go figure.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

And Radio Head.

[Crusty Juggler]

Turn in your flannel shirt, sir.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

If I had one.

[Fist of Etiquette]

A Canadian without flannel. Right.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

He said shirt. He never said pajama.

[Rev-Match]

A Canadian without flannel. Right.

I lack most of a PC filter. Is this racist, or something?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

It’s Fist. And he’s Oriental or something. No one knows for sure.

[Juice]

Probably THE most over-rated over-appreciated band on the planet.

[Sevo]

The Beatles?

[Juice]

Although they were awesome they weren’t as awesome as they are portrayed.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Personally I think their body of work is outstanding (and impact) in such a short period of time. Sorta like the Mike Bossy of music.

[Sevo]

Comith the hour, comith the man; I think they worked a time period successfully.
I can’t think of a single tune that’s really survived decades.
Some Stones stuff still really works, as does some of Paul Simon’s, and some others. Not the Beatles.

[Sevo]

Example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQQUFW_yfCg

[Juice]

I agree. I never got into any of them. I always thought Pearl Jam sucked. I appreciate some Nirvana songs now, but I still don’t think they’re anything special. Most grunge was actually pretty bad.

[GILMORE]

As long as you don’t think Soundgarden was grunge, i agree with you

(Soundgarden was, IMHO, early stoner-metal a la Kyuss et al)

[Fist of Etiquette]

Button down collar? Position invalidated.

[GILMORE]

“Academic-expert proviso” = tweed-wearing economists are supposed to dress like dorks

[Derpetologist]

Earlier, someone requested a picture of a dorky bearded professor on a bike.

here you go

[Heroic Mulatto]

Looses points for no messenger bag.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Loses even.

[Sevo]

And needs a corduroy jacket with elbow patches.

[Rev-Match]

The size of the economy is small in relation to the size of my – oh, nevermind. That was too easy.

[Rev-Match]

It’s Loretta. Duh.

[Juice]

She didn’t pass that law. It was bipartisan led by a few senators including Joe Biden and signed by Reagan. Yeah, she enforced it probably with glee.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Gul Dukat was an enemy of freedom.

[Heroic Mulatto]

He was set up by that bitch Kai Winn.

[PapayaSF]

OT: Apparently not a parody.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Um…

[Crusty Juggler]

“The Ak-47 was named after a night of heavy drinking after which it murdered 47 puppies.”

#Gunsense

[Derpetologist]

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. I’d need to be a Hindu god to facepalm sufficiently.

http://platedlizard.blogspot.c…..idity.html

[Juice]

I went to her full account. Is she paid to twit? Because that’s an awful lot of it.

[Fist of Etiquette]

There could be a whole show on this topic.

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Lou Dobbs.

[Crusty Juggler]

Putin better watch out, Dobbs be comin.

[Rev-Match]

LORRETA LYNCH
IS A BITCH.

But, seriously, how can one’s “property” be deemed “illegal”?

(Hint: It’s in the “Fuck You That’s Why” clause, written in invisible ink that responds to citric acid. Someone get me some lemons. I’m gona steal the Constitution.)

[GILMORE]

DOBBS!!

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Obama nominates an evil person.

Black souls.

[Sevo]

So none of the cast mentioned that Weinstein has a cache of Gruber vids to leak?

[Fist of Etiquette]

That beer discussion was terrible, by the way. It should have been saved when there were actual beer drinkers on hand.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

“What’s your favorite beer?”

“I don’t drink beer. But if I did I drink Birch and Spruce beer!”

[Crusty Juggler]

My favorite beer?

Vodka.

[Sevo]

BTW, Johnimo in the Gruber thread makes a point that ought to be jammed down Gruber’s throat every time he’s interviewed:

“Johnimo|11.12.14 @ 8:07PM|#
The funny part is that the people being duped must’ve been all democrats, because conservative and libertarians never had any illusions about Obamacare. We knew it was a ripoff all along.”

Yeah, those stupid fucking D voters! They swallowed this crap hook, line and sinker! The rest of us were calling BS from the start.
So, Mr. Gruber, would you please try to ID those voters you’re claiming to be such idjits?

[JeremyR]

Moderates were the ones that were duped.

[Sevo]

JeremyR|11.12.14 @ 11:53PM|#
“Moderates were the ones that were duped”

Hard term to define, but on this site, Tony, turd and Jack have been the primary suckers. Maybe craig?
Not sure I can call them ‘moderates’.

[Derpetologist]

OT: While red shirts made up the largest proportion of deaths on Star Trek, the yellow shirts had the highest mortality rate.

http://www.themarysue.com/red-…..star-trek/

I saw Star Trek: Into Pew! Pew! Bang! Boom! a while back. I prefer Galaxy Quest to any of the Star Trek movies.

[PapayaSF]

Galaxy Quest is great. A funny spoof of Star Trek fandom that hits the sweet spot for parody: knowledgable and affectionate enough to appeal to the people it’s making fun of, yet accessible to anyone. It works as science fiction, too. A rare bird.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Any of them?