You Call That Beer?

The biggest disappointment from President Obama's "beer summit" with Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates and Cambridge police Sgt. James Crowley yesterday was the beer selection:

The four drank out of beer mugs. Mr. Obama had a Bud Lite, Sergeant Crowley had Blue Moon, Professor Gates drank Sam Adams Light and Mr. Biden, who does not drink, had a Buckler nonalcoholic beer. (Mr. Biden put a lime slice in his beer. Sergeant Crowley, for his part, kept with Blue Moon tradition and had a slice of orange in his drink.)

Without getting into the merits of citrus fruit in wheat beer (I happen to like it), Crowley seems to have the best taste. While there are many better Belgian-style ales made in the U.S. (in particular, those produced by Ommegang Brewery in Cooperstown, New York, and New Belgium in Fort Collins, Colorado), the Coors-produced Blue Moon is a decent choice (though New York Times food critic Eric Asimov jokingly chides Crowley for not thinking through the implications of drinking a "white" ale). But look at the other selections: two lights and a nonalcoholic "beer." A regular Sam Adams lager (or one of the company's ales) would have been a good hometown choice for Gates, but I've never understood the urge to water down beer. Instead of having two crappy ones, why not just one good one? It sounds like there was only one round at this little get-together anyway.

As for Obama's selection of Bud Light, this has to rank as one of his worst decisions since taking office, somewhere between the stimulus package and the auto industry bailout. Regular Budweiser is bad enough. When you have a beer that already tastes like water, why would you add more water to it? And the less said about Biden and his Buckler, the better. In yet another example of the blatant misrepresentations for which the Times is notorious, Asimov erroneously reports that "Joe Biden, who joined the other three, enjoyed a nonalcoholic brew called Buckler."

The sad thing is that three out of four men, given their pick of the world's beers, chose three of the same bland style. Gates reportedly was considering Jamaica's Red Stripe, which sounds a little more exotic but tastes pretty much the same as the major American lagers. Given the wide variety of excellent beers in myriad styles produced in the United States today, even jingoism is no excuse for the pitiful selection displayed at the White House. 

This is a good time to revisit Jay R. Brooks' 2006 Reason article on the "long tail" phenomenon in the American beer industry.

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  • kinnath||

    So a brewing thread . . . on purpose ;-)

  • ||

    Bud Light is cow piss.

  • ||

    I don't get the media attention this is getting, especially the beer selection. I don't mean here--blogging on something like this is entertaining and allows the beer-obsessed commenters to ramble on for 350 comments or more on their preferred brews--but in the major news media. Pathetic.

    Blue Moon is okay for what it is. I've had it over at Harry's (the New Orleans' style restaurant chain) a couple of times. Too bad someone didn't show up with some homebrew.

    Interesting that Obama opted for the foreign beer, hmm?

  • <strike>Strike through</strike||

    Nobody on the White House Genius Staff could figure out how to put four different beers on one tray. Each was served separately. As symbolism goes, it doesn't get much better than that.

  • PantsFan getting pants down dr||

    Hands down the best wheat beer on the planet is Erdinger.

  • ||

    If Obama was a real Chicagoan he'd have went with the Old Style!!

  • qwerty||

    I've never understood the urge to water down beer. Instead of having two crappy ones, why not just one good one?

    I totally agree. The same goes for "low calorie desserts". Obama was clearly trying for the NASCAR vote. He probably hadn't had a beer in 20 years. He picked a light so it would have as little effect as possible. Why couldn't Biden just have a Coke?

  • Tomcat1066||

    First of all, saying Red Stripe tastes anything like American lagers is an insult to all American beer...and that's saying something since there's only a handful of US made beers I'll even drink. If beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy, Red Stripe is proof that he can also be an mean, vindicitive creator with no sense of humor about coming onto his sister at a party.

  • Bo Darville||

    How much you want to be Obama focus grouped the choice of Bud Light?

  • Mike M.||

    I'm not sure what was more absurd: the "event" itself, possibly the most mindless, vapid photo-op in the history of the White House, or the media treatment of the whole thing.

  • WWJGD||

    Goddamn pansies. I'd show up with a stein of 3 Floyd's Darklord or, even worse, Samichluas. Beer so thick and and hearty it puts hairs on your balls and the French surrender.

    You can't end racism by sipping on piss water.

  • ||

    I can't tell you how glad I am to see others lambasting him on this. This was populist, pure and simple, and honestly pretty darn disgusting when you think about what he is drinking when he can have anything he wants.

    Does anyone find it hypocritical that the Obama's have an Organic garden, Michelle touts local food, etc...and then Barak goes and drinks a mass produced bottle of urine.

  • <strike>Strike through</strike||

    I wonder why nobody chose Black Label?

  • ||

    I hope Blue Moon doesn't get known as the beer of "racists."

  • ||

    Biden isn't a real american. ..And Bud light?!?!?! I could just pissed in his mug and but for the temperature, he wouldn't have noticed the difference.


    The best beer is Corona or any German Pilsner. All you beer snobs can bite by ass.

  • Xeones||

    Yo, fuck Bud Light. If i had an ounce of respect for Obama, it would've evaporated upon that revelation.

    The insipidity of his beer choice is matched by that of his presidency.

  • WWJGD||

    Hands down the best wheat beer on the planet is Erdinger.



    Having tried it, I'm going to disagree and nominate Flying Dog In-Heat Wheat.

  • ||

    If I ever have a beer in the White House, I will order something obscure enough to set off an international incident.

  • Peter||

    I'll take my Natty Light any day...

  • Fred||

    I'm with Peter -- I think Obama should have had the Beast (Milwaukee's Best, for those of you with boujie tastes).

  • Peter||

    I would have pegged Biden for an XX kinda guy, I heard he can speak French in Russian.

  • ||

    If you're going for an American wheat, Ommegang Witte is fantastic.

    I do like the Flying Dog and the Erdinger as well, but I think the Erdinger Dunkel-Weisse is far superior to their "white" Weisse.

  • Xeones||

    Hands down the best wheat beer on the planet is Erdinger.

    Having tried it, I'm going to disagree and nominate Flying Dog In-Heat Wheat.


    No love for doppelbock? If the jackholes around that table had all been drinking Aventinus from the beginning, not a one of 'em would give a fuck about racism.

    That said, i do enjoy Blue Moon on occasion.

  • WWJGD||

    The best beer is Corona or any German Pilsner. All you beer snobs can bite by ass.



    If I wanted the taste of ass, I'd stick with tequila. Which oddly enough is used in the making of Corona.

    Many don't know that Corona uses a unique brewing process. First, small quantities of tequila are inserted into the patented Corona Brewing and Filtration System (a middle aged Mexican man, documented...don't worry, LW) alongside several glasses of water. After a few hours, the CBFS will output fresh but warm Corona into convenient bottle format where it can be chilled and sent to the discerning public.

  • Russ 2000||

    but I've never understood the urge to water down beer.

    Most light beers aren't "watered down" (MGD 64 is an exception) it's lighter malt. (I'm oversimplifying to keep from writing a manifesto.)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Owades

  • Tim||

    As long as he was going to have a 'Belgian' beer (Bud), why not choose a real Belgian beer, like Chimay Blue?

  • ||

    I'm hardly one to complain about drinking mass-produced carbonated water American beers. I love me some Miller High Life (the Champagne of Beers). Hell, on cheap beer night I can pound Hamms and Iron City with the best of them.

    But Budweiser is just foul and Bud Light even worse. It's like making beer out of things you don't actually make beer with.

  • ||

    Erdinger Dunkelweissen wins.

    I'm disappointed none of them had the balls to select Arrogant Bastard.

  • Xeones||

    Although, for my money, Wittekerke beats Blue Moon any day. And Ommegang makes fantastic beers.

  • Tomcat1066||

    If I ever have a beer in the White House, I will order something obscure enough to set off an international incident.

    OK, now this is something I have to see. Anyone out there who can hook up SugarFree with an invite to have a beer at the White House? That would be 100% win in my books.


    It's worth noting that I have no doubt that he can actually cause an international incident with his beer choice either!

  • ||

    My favorite wheat beer is definitely König Ludwig Weiss. I highly recommend it.

    If Obama has an incident involving me and invites me to a beer summit, the beer I'm ordering is a Maker's Mark and Coke. Or maybe a shot of Porfidio Single-Barrel Añejo.

    Just out of curiosity, did the Nazis have a favorite beer? That would've been a funny--and creepy--choice for any of the Summiteers™.

  • WWJGD||

    Aventius has never impressed me. Good, but not great, imo.

    I think a bottle of Delirium would've been a good choice. Definitely a fitting title.

  • ||

    Xeones,

    Have you tried Schneider's other offerings (other than Aventius?) Their Weisse is delicious.

  • Kevin||

    I'm with SugarFree on this. I'm thinking a Xingu, or maybe a Dos Equis Amber so I could imitate that guy in the commercial. (I don't always visit the White House, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis).

  • ||

    I'd figured there was a 50-50 chance Mickey's Big Mouth or Colt 45 would have made an appearance. Shut my mouf!

  • Russ 2000||

    Why couldn't Biden just have a Coke?

    There's lots of good root beers around, too.

  • ||

    They should have each had to drink a bottle of Chamay Reserve. That would have losened up the conversation.

  • ||


    Old Nick Barley Wine
    is the best. It's even better than Corona! ;) You beer proles can bite my...

  • Xeones||

    Have you tried Schneider's other offerings (other than Aventius?) Their Weisse is delicious.

    Not yet -- Aventinus is, as far as i know, the only Schneiderbrau at my usual spots, but i'll have to check Total Wine. I have yet to be led astray by beer suggestions gleaned from this board.

  • ||

    I take back the Chamay suggestion. John David has it perfect. Obama and Gates should have put back a Colt 45 and Crowley should have put back a mickey's bigmouth. It would have been perfect.

  • Bob||

    Level of discourse America needs

    ...

    Level of discourse most Americans are capable of

    ...

    Crying small children

    ...

    Pigs biting each other and squealing

    ...

    ...

    Serial flatulent noises

    Mainstream news

  • Zeb||

    I'm a Hoegaarden man myself (and that is "who-garden" not "hoe-garden") when it comes to white beers. It is one of the best beers for drinking a lot of.

  • ||

    "Just out of curiosity, did the Nazis have a favorite beer? That would've been a funny--and creepy--choice for any of the Summiteers™."

    Hitler was an Austrian who spent his early political career in Munich. He gave one of his first politcal speeches at the Hofbrau House. So if there is a favorite Nazi beer, my guess it would be Lowenbrau, which when drank in Munich is the elixer of life.

  • Xeones||

    bigbigslacker, i've been skinnydipping in the ocean only one time in my life, and barley wine played a key role.

    After the dark stuff ran out, we switched to MGD, which tasted EXACTLY like water that had had pennies soaking in it for a couple days. The next morning was pretty rough.

  • Urkobold™||

    THE URKOBOLD WOULD'VE HAVE ORDERED A KEG OF HACKER-PSCHORR SERVED FROM THE BOSOM OF THIS WOMAN.

  • ||

    I would have had Harp or Smithwick's...for the Mick vote.

  • ||

    Zeb,

    It is light, but the switch to the non-Belgian brewing facilities has resulted in a thinner, almost flat product that I both really care for.

  • Xeones||

    If you want to get sassy real quick, Gulden Draak is a good choice.

  • Mad Max||

    'If beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy'

    In case you're interested, this quote is often attributed to Benjamin Franklin, but in fact he made his remark about wine, not beer.

    Here is a discussion of the issue.

    Here is some of what Franklin said in a letter to André Morellet:

    'We hear of the conversion of water into wine at the marriage in Cana as of a miracle. But this conversion is, through the goodness of God, made every day before our eyes. Behold the rain which descends from heaven upon our vineyards; there it enters the roots of the vines, to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy. The miracle in question was only performed to hasten the operation, under circumstances of present necessity, which required it.'

    (Nor is this the only fundamentalist quote from Franklin; the epitaph he suggested for himself (though they didn't follow his suggestion):
    was 'The Body of B. Franklin Printer; Like the Cover of an old Book, Its Contents torn out, And stript of its Lettering and Gilding, Lies here, Food for Worms. But the Work shall not be wholly lost: For it will, as he believ'd, appear once more, In a new & more perfect Edition, Corrected and Amended By the Author.')

  • ||

    The best beer is Corona or any German Pilsner. All you beer snobs can bite by ass.



    If I'm going to drink a Mexican pilsener it'll be Modelo Especial. Or Dos Equis, or Bohemia or Tecate.

    Anything but Corona. Might as well be drinking Bud. I might be wrong, but i think the problem with a lot of North and Central American beers is the use of corn. I just find them to sweet with a shitty aftertaste.

    Negra Modelo is a great Dark Beer, by the way.

  • ||

    my guess it would be Lowenbrau, which when drank in Munich is the elixer of life

    The first beer I ever had was a Lowenbrau.

    As for the prole/snob debate, I follow the advice of my father:

    Life's too short to drink shitty beer.

  • ||

    "If I'm going to drink a Mexican pilsener it'll be Modelo Especial. Or Dos Equis, or Bohemia or Tecate."



    I don't always drink always drink beer. But when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.

    And German and Czech Pilsners are some of the best beer in the world. Anyone who doesn't admit that, is not a beer snob.

  • threeofclubs||

    i have read that hitler hardly drank alcohol.
    I think stolen french wine was their most popular drink.

  • Mad Max||

    By the way, excellent idea to associate beer with political reconciliation and racial healing.

    What is the world's most famous beer-drinking nation? Is that nation not famous for its history of peacefulness and racial reconciliation?

  • ||

    I remember the first time I went to Munich and drank the beer there. It changed my entire perspective on beer drinking and life. The Hofbrau house is a tourist trap. But the wonderful Lowenbrau beer they have there can be enjoyed all over the city. There is another beer hall in the old town of Munich called the St. Augustiner, which is much less touristy than the Hofbrau House. And it has just as good a beer and great food. If they had a place like that where I lived, I would be there most nights of the week and probably die of liver failure before I turned 50.

  • ||

    "i have read that hitler hardly drank alcohol."

    That sure explains a lot.

  • ||

    John,

    He also rarely ate meat.

  • & me too||

    I predict that by nightfall, every beer that every libertarian has ever drunk will have been named here. Me? I just landed a sweet shipment of Genny Cream Ale! Suck on that, elitists!

  • ||

    Carolyn Smagalski writes on Foxnews that some have suggested that Gates should have chosen Stone Brewing's Arrogant Bastard Ale.

  • Steven ||

    I just came here to say that Fat Tire, made by New Belgium, is the most overrated beer in the world.

  • ||

    Hands down the best wheat beer on the planet is Erdinger.

    I go with Paulaner Hefe-weizen. Although the In-Heat Wheat is in the running. I'll keep an eye out for the Erdinger.

    I like Pro L's idea of sitting down with a bottle of Tequila and some shot glasses, and daring the other guys at the table to puss out.

    Can you imagine the expression on Michelle's face if barack came cruising into the First Boudoir all tequilaed up?

  • ||

    I'm glad no one at the get-together talked about the Negra Modela.

  • Mad Max||

    Hitler may have abstained from alcohol, but he first drew public attention through his participation in a 1923 *putch* (attempted coup) in Bavaria. That's what put him in prison and gave him time to write *Mein Kampf.*

    What do you think the *putch* was called? The Beer Hall Putch, that's what. Want to guess why? Because it was staged in a beer hall.

  • ||

    What about Hofbrau beer? Wouldn't that be the official beer of the Nazis?

    I know that Hitler didn't drink, but plenty of other Nazis did.

  • ||

    R C Dean,

    I don't know about the availability in your state, but I've been getting 5-liter Paulander Hefeweisen mini-kegs around here.

  • Mad Max||

    Putsch, not putch.

  • MNG||

    Often if I don't give a shit about getting drunk or enjoying myself I will just select some mass-drink such as Bud-lite, Coors-lite (yuk), MGD, or what have you. "Having a beer" with some people is like "having coffee" with people, a bullshit social thing that has nothing to do with the beauty of either drink.

  • ||

    John, My beer tastes run to German and Czech Pilsners too. And i find the Mex brews I named do a good job of that style.

    I'm sure that's what most of the big American brewers were aiming for, but I'm afraid the use of rice and corn just don't make for a good finish.

    Maybe that's just me though.

    Incidentally I've always understood hitler didn't smoke, drank alcohol or eat meat. I'm always leary of peole like that. :)

    Confession: my "utility" or "lawnmower" beer is Natty Lite (Neutral Lite?). :(

    It's a Lite but it beats every other one to my taste. Especially any Euro lite (Becks lite is just fucking awful).

  • ||

    R C Dean,

    Two words: Upside-down margaritas.

  • ||

    Add capitalization and fill in the missing leters in my last post as the spirit moves thee. :)

  • Xeones||

    Me? I just landed a sweet shipment of Genny Cream Ale! Suck on that, elitists!

    Snark all you want, Genesee Cream Ale will always have a place in my heart (and in my fridge, and in my liver). Especially as long as Farm Fresh keeps stocking it for less than $6.

  • ev||

    Best beer ever: Rothaus. It's brewed in southwest Germany (somewhere) where I lived for a time. I can't even express how bad I want to order a case of it. When I get some money it'll be the first thing I do.

    It's...dark but not NOT light. It's flavorful but not syrupy. It's my favorite thing in the world, and that should tell you how fucked my life is.

  • ||

    Bud Lite is what you drink if you have no other option. He lives at the freakin white house, he has options. All these cheap burgers and pisswater beer illustrate an aspect of Obama's personality that I don't like: he's far too cautious when it comes to the possibility of pissing off Bubba Six Pack.

  • Warty||

    Bud Light. My opinion of the man slips even further.

  • Xeones||

    I like Pro L's idea of sitting down with a bottle of Tequila and some shot glasses, and daring the other guys at the table to puss out.

    Can you imagine the expression on Michelle's face if barack came cruising into the First Boudoir all tequilaed up?


    Topical

  • Warty||

    I like Pro L's idea of sitting down with a bottle of Tequila and some shot glasses, and daring the other guys at the table to puss out.

    Can you imagine the expression on Michelle's face if barack came cruising into the First Boudoir all tequilaed up?


    Topicaler

  • Steve Horwitz||

    Q: Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?

    A: Because it's fucking close to water.

  • ||

    I'm kinda surprised that Biden didn't sit there with a Strawberry Daquiri with a little umbrella. Just seems like the thing a clueless douche would do, you know?

  • ||

    Steve,

    That's pre-microbeer revolution. I don't think that can be said as a general rule anymore, especially with Bud becoming Belgian.

    Unless it's a general shot at lagers.

  • Xeones||

    Shut the fuck up, Warty.

    All these cheap burgers and pisswater beer illustrate an aspect of Obama's personality that I don't like: he's far too cautious when it comes to the possibility of pissing off Bubba Six Pack.

    Friends, we play around with elitism, but look ye upon the real deal.

  • ||

    Straight chilled vodka. Maybe. . . maybe, chased w just a lemon wedge.

  • ||

    "...Jamaica's Red Stripe... tastes pretty much the same as the major American lagers."

    Um, not really. It tastes more like German mass-produced lagers like Heineken or Beck's. Try one sometime.

    Also, Fat Tire isn't overrated if it's served from a tap, especially at the actual brewery (although New Belgium makes some far better beers). Bottled Fat Tire is a waste of money, especially outside of Colorado.

    My pick of the week is Clipper City Brewery's "Holy Sheet" Über Abbey Ale. If "Belgian Strong Dark Ale" doesn't sound good to you, Obama has a five-pack of Bud Light you might be interested in.

  • ||

    X, nice comic:}

    Tequila never made me wanna fight as it does with some people, but if I'm tequila drunk, and you have somethin real stupid you wanna do? Hellfire yes! I'm in!

  • J.P.||

    the best part is that budweiser is like gold in many places overseas. when i lived in japan, it was all the rage in my town. we americans used to sit there, quite perplexed while drinking our asahi "supah du-ry." of course, i'm sure the japs looked us like we were crazy for drinking their domestic beer.

    i'd personally take a bud or miller light over any micro-brew. if bud tastes like piss (which i can agree with), the micro-brews taste like feces.

  • ||

    Confession: my "utility" or "lawnmower" beer is Natty Lite (Neutral Lite?). :(

    It's a Lite but it beats every other one to my taste. Especially any Euro lite (Becks lite is just fucking awful).


    I completely agree. Natty Lite is the best tasting lite beer on the market. Modelo Light is pretty good too.

  • ||

    Vodka says "Communist."

    You know what would've been funny? If Obama had brought out some coke and started snorting it. "Oh, sorry, dude--want some?"

  • Warty||

    Hell, I like you, Xeones. You can come to my house and fuck my sister.

  • Beery Beer McStien||

    Surly Brewing Makes fantastic beers:

    Furious, Bender, Darkness or my choice for this summit: Cynic.

    www.surlybrewing.com

  • ||

    bigbigslacker, i've been skinnydipping in the ocean only one time in my life, and barley wine played a key role.

    After the dark stuff ran out, we switched to MGD, which tasted EXACTLY like water that had had pennies soaking in it for a couple days. The next morning was pretty rough.


    I used to have homebrew on tap at home. Two 5 gallon soda kegs available all day every day. When you have barley wine on tap, that makes for some fun times. Now I'm craving that warm feeling you get right after downing a pint. Forget the wife, I want to come home to a glass of barley wine. (she doesn't read this forum - or much of anything in English)

    For the non-brewers - barley wine has about double the malted barley as a normal very heavy beer, and has to be fermented with wine yeast since beer yeast goes inactive at high alcohols. And it good....

  • ||

    If having taste means you're an elitist, fine, I'd rather be that than the person who would morally condemn someone for merely saying the word "arugula."

  • wingnutx||

    Everyone involved should have been served Arrogant Bastard Ale.

  • PantsedandDrunk||

    Achewood needs a topic search, then it will blow away xkcd for apt comic references.
    It's way funnier.
    Also, I enjoy Paulaner from time to time, but to me it has a strange aftertatste

  • Emo Kid||

    Bud light makes me want to cut myself.

  • ||

    I think we can all agree--libertarians, liberals, conservatives, fascists, communists, etc.--that Obama has diminished himself by his beer order. I expect this will be remembered in history as the incident that brought down his administration.

  • Brian Lockwood||

    "A regular Sam Adams lager (or one of the company's ales) would have been a good hometown choice for Gates, but I've never understood the urge to water down beer."

    Sam Light has something like 170 calories. It is a light beer only when compared to regular Sam Adams which is around 250 calories.

  • MNG||

    "Bud Lite is what you drink if you have no other option"

    Or you just don't care. It's amazing to me that his handlers didn't suggest something different. Maybe they were worried about playing into the whole "elitist" meme...

  • Xeones||

    Tony, Tony, Tony. This place just wouldn't be the same without your ridiculous dualism.

    Pantsed, Achewood has a dialogue search that is at least as useful.

  • MNG||

    Light beer is a way to say "I am unhappy with myself."

  • Xeones||

    Light beer is a way to say "I am unhappy with myself."

    AWESOME. MNG, mind if i steal that quote forever?

  • MNG||

    I'm always confused by who would drink "beer" at all, if liquor is available, unless you have to go work or a family function immediately after-wards.

    Hey, i like blow jobs but dry humping is even better!

  • ||

    You know, why not buy a good beer and pour some water in it, if you simply must reduce the calories?

  • Mike Laursen||

    The mugs are the key to understanding the true story. It allowed Obama to say that he was drinking Bud.

  • ||

    Hey, that's right, Mike, when did we start trusting Obama? He lied, man.

    So, then, what was he really drinking?

  • T||

    If I was the president, I'd have a keg of Asahi Black in my house. And a keg of Bass. But I'm not, so I'm drinking a lot of Shiner Black.

  • highnumber||

    I agree that, as a Chicagoan, he should have had an Old Style. (It's fully krausened once again!)
    Clearly he is trying to distance himself from Chicago.

  • ||

    I could live without beer(haven't had a drink in about a year and a half) if I could keep on hand a pound or two of that 40 dollar commercial columbian that was plentiful long ago. Maybe a bit of Thunderfuck for special occasions.

  • moman||

    California's own Arrogant Bastard Ale would have been the best choice for that wank fest.

  • PantsFan||

    ben, in my house, special occasion means getting home from work.

  • Mike Laursen||

    So, then, what was he really drinking?

    Tsingtao.

    Hey, if I'm going to start a rumor that he faked his beer, I might as well make sure the rumor paints him as a Chinese lackey. Maybe, as a treat for Lonewacko, we can also throw in a rumor that Biden was drinking Negra Modelo.

  • ||

    Shouldn't Joe "Real Man of Genius" Biden have been drinking a Bud Lite too?

  • ||

    Jesus, people. I suggested Arrogant Bastard an hour and many, many posts ago.

    Quit stealing my brainwaves!

  • ||

    Seamus,

    He doesn't drink.

  • ||

    MNG,

    I drink beer for the same reason I drink wine or scotch. To appreciate variety and complexity and stuff. That's a completely different activity than getting drunk, which for me usually consists of filling a big glass half with 100 proof vodka and half with OJ or diet coke.

  • T||

    He doesn't drink.

    He appears to operate sober the way many of us do drunk, so it all works out. I'd have to be hammered to make some of the statements he's made.

  • robc||

    Im late to a beer thread...sigh

  • ||

    Bud light, though, is useless to me. By the time I have enough to get even slightly buzzed I already have a headache and I'm too bloated to move.

  • Xeones||

    You know, they really all should have had some Arrogant Bastard Ale.

  • ||

    and then Barak goes and drinks a mass produced bottle of urine.

    But it's really great urine, Mrs. Preske.

  • ||

    Vodka and Diet Coke?

    I used to think you were just deluded, but now I know you are dangerously insane.

  • robc||

    Hands down the best wheat beer on the planet is Erdinger.

    Weinhenstephaner Hefeweissbier.

    Or my homebrew hefe.

    Not that there is anything wrong with Erdinger.

  • ||

    Oh but I live in oklahoma where bud light is 3 point. Talk about pisswater. The yokels will still look at you funny if you drink anything else though. Never understood that. Guess it's patriotic to be a lightweight. For good measure after a 6 pack it helps to beat up your wife.

  • robc||

    SugarFree,

    If you're going for an American wheat, Ommegang Witte is fantastic.


    jargon issue: "American Wheat" is a style not a description. Ommegang Witte is a belgian wit, even though it is made in NY.

  • ||

    Golfer

    2 oz. vodka
    6 oz. orange juice
    Twist of lemon
    Twist of lime
    Splash of club soda

    (7UP or Sprite may be substituted for the lemon, lime, and club soda by the lazy.)

  • ||

    Had a pint of Fuller ESB to mark the occasion. That's a delicious pint, but you have to stop at one.

  • T||

    Bud light, though, is useless to me.

    Much better this way, I think. A-B's specialty brewing group has turned out some decent stuff on occasion, but Bud Light is appalling.

    However, I yield to no-one in my admiration of Anheuser-Busch's process and quality control. I'm amazes that they can turn out so much beer, and have it all be consistent. A shitty product, mind you, but an impressively consistent one.

  • ||

    robc,

    Oh great, the beer cops are here. ;-)

  • ||

    Suge, I had a neighbor once that spent his evenings with a half-gallon of black velvet and a case of Tab.

  • robc||

    Maker's Mark and Coke

    Bourbon and coke mix? I may have to try that some day, you know, if I want to get kicked out of my home state. :)

  • Curly||

    The Beer Hall Putch,

    It's PUTSCH.

    You putsch your beer down and wait for the pretzels.

  • robc||

    SugarFree,

    Schneider Weisse was one of the specialty beers (wik free glassware) at Flanagan's last night. It and Old Engine Oil.

    Have a nice Schneider wheat glass now. Huzzah!

  • Mike Laursen||

    I want to change my answer. I'm just going to say that nobody can prove that Obama wasn't drinking Kenyan Tusker out of that mug. Lonewacko can provide the supporting links.

  • ||

    brotherben,

    I had a hardcore alcoholic boss once that I was made to drive home after he got popped for DUI the sixth times. He would exclusively drink pure grain and Coke. He'd get a pint of Pure Grain and a single can of Coke. He'd sip back and forth until they were gone at the same time. I worked for him for a year and it was the only food I saw him consume.

  • robc||

    Just received an email from maker's mark telling me the distillery will be shut down from Aug 10 to Sept 9.

    Information I didnt need, but I thought I would pass it along.

  • ||

    robc,

    Nice. I've seen those, but haven't got one from my local pint glass place. Have you ever seen one of their Aventinus glasses? Want.

    (Yes, everyone, I know I could just buy it, but I live for the hunt.)

  • ||

    Suge, yeah, this guy was definitely an alcoholic. His food of choice was Hostess ding-dings and raw onions. The onions he ate like an apple. He chain smoked Eve cigarettes. Death overtook him when he was in his early 50s IIRC.

  • ||

    robc,

    Have you tried Noah's Mill? It has taken over as my favorite bourbon.

  • ||

    More great news from Alabama.

    The state has decided not to allow the sale of a particular wine because it has nude nymphs on the label. (I tried to link to a news story but my puter is acting all tardo and stuff)

  • ||

    Shut the fuck up, Xeones

  • ||

  • robc||

    SF,

    Im familiar with the Aventinus glass but dont have one.

    Havent tried Noah's Mill. Havent even seen it.

    The best Ive ever had is the Pappy 23-year, but I cant afford it.

  • ||

    "What about Hofbrau beer? Wouldn't that be the official beer of the Nazis?

    I know that Hitler didn't drink, but plenty of other Nazis did."

    In the Hofbrau house they serve Lowenbrau. And Erdlinger is an excellent wheat beer. Honestly you can't go wrong with any of the German Wheats. And it is not that hard to make a damn fine wheat beer yourself. I made a batch of wheat beer (my first attempt at beer making) and find it to be almost identical to Pauliner Hefa. Not quite as good but close.

  • ||

    robc,

    Havent tried Noah's Mill. Havent even seen it.

    Our Liquor Barns have it. You might try there if you are still convenient to one.

  • CatoTheElder||

    The article properly criticizes the extraordinarily bad beer palates of our political leaders and academic elites.

    However, it fails to note the utter ignorance of White House staff in how to serve beer. Serving a Belgian-style wheat beer in a mug is tantamount to serving Cabernet Sauvignon in a fruit jar. I can confidently say there is not a Belgian bar that would serve wheat beer in a mug. Wit beer is always served in a glass. Mugs are for Bavarian lagers and watered-down American rice brews.

    http://www.globalbeer.com/body_pages/pages-beer/Wittekerke/Wittekerke.html

  • ||

    I'm not going to read all your idiotic beer postings, but the shit is Dogfish Head's Raison D'etre. I have spoken.

  • ||

    Woke up in a mean mood, I see.

  • Stagman||

    I just came here to say that Fat Tire, made by New Belgium, is the most overrated beer in the world.

    Hear, hear! Totally overrated. As far as I can tell it's developed it reputation via recently graduated Boulder frat boys who drank nothing but Natty Light for beer pong during college and are surprised to discover that not all beer makes you want to wretch on first taste. By the way, I've had Fat Tire from the tap in Colorado. It's a breakfast beer at best.

  • Cliché Bandit||

    I tried to resist commenting but couldn't. I am showing restraint in not posting WOT regarding beer. BUT i must absolutly say the best wheat beer in the US that I have tried is Dry Dock Brewery's Bananna Boat (No there is no bananna in it only good old German Hefe yeast). Hands down, out of hundreds I have tried. I will make a prediction: This beer will win at LEAST a silver this year at the GABF.

    In Vino Veritas

  • ||

    Woke up in a mean mood, I see.

    You see right, bitch. I need some Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA.

  • ||

    Great Lakes Christmas Ale = outstanding

    Great Lakes Dortmunder Gold = very good "regular" beer

  • drunk right now||

    Longhammer: best beer to pair with weed.

  • ||

    Longhammer is absolute, unadulterated fucking shit. Worst IPA on the planet.

  • PantsFan||

    speaking of Dortmunders,
    Dortmunder Actien Brauerei is also very good. Of course it is, it's German. But the initials in German are colloquially reffered to as "Deutsche Arbeiters Bier", or German workers beer.

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    I don't know anything about beer, but I once had an excellent lager in the basement of the Rathaus in the town outside my first duty station in Germany. So, on recollection, the beer connoisseurs (I have trouble spelling that word) have a point.

  • ktc2||

    The best beer I've found here in the US is Corsendonk Abbey Pale Ale. It's hard to find but damn is it good.

  • ||

    Corsendonk is excellent. That it comes in a large bottle with a champagne cork just makes it better. I was always able to find it in CT.

  • ||

    Ah, fuck, missed this thread when it was first posted. Three quick comments...

    First, here is a great take on the issue from Lew Bryson. His bottom line? Instead of worrying about the type of beer they're drinking, beer geeks should just be excited they're drinking beer.

    Second, assuming Obama actually likes Bud Light, I'll give him kudos for sticking to his guns. Bud Light is what it is, and I don't knock people who like it. He could've gone with Amstel Light, which is Bud Light for people who think they're too sophisticated to drink Bud Light, and THEN I'd rip him a new one.

    Third, if I were Obama I would've gone with Avery's Collaboration Not Litigation Ale. Appropriate, don't you think?

  • ||

    Epi, what is an IPA?

  • ||

    "You see right, bitch. I need some Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA."

    If I spent my time drinking the overhopped equivilent of bully beef, I would be in a mean mood to.

  • ||

    Wheat beers are for fags and girls. ;-)

    Steam beers, be they from Germany or CA, are under-rated.

    Corsendonk is excellent.

    My father imported it for a while. Great stuff.

  • ||

    Brotherben,

    IPA is India Pale Ale. It was developed in England. They had to ship ale to India and ordinary ale wouldn't make the trip. One of the reasons they put hops in beer is as a perservative. So, they took ordinary pale ale and hopped the hell out of it so it would make the trip to India. Thus was born India Pale Ale.

    For some reason, in the last 10 years some people have decided that the more bitter a beer is the better it is. Hops make beer bitter. So thus the popularity of IPS, which is really the equivilent of eating salted pork or bacala when a good pork loin or fresh white fish is available. I just don't get it.

  • Tim Cavanaugh||

    Instead of having two crappy ones, why not just one good one?

    This works in theory, but in my experience option two always turns out to be three good ones. Then six more. And shots. And, well, I ought to have some wine with the meal. Liqueurs? Fancy! One of each! And is that a little bit of iodine left in that bottle?

    Which raises the question: When do they cut you off at a White House beer party?

  • ||

    Which raises the question: When do they cut you off at a White House beer party?

    When Monica Lewinsky starts lookin doable?

  • ||

    "Which raises the question: When do they cut you off at a White House beer party?"

    I think getting cut off at a White House party or state dinner would be the cullimination of a career and the greatest badge of cool one could have. I have never met anyone who got flagged at such an event, but I would have to bow in respect if I ever did.

  • hmm||

    The one that showed up with a 5 gallon corny of homebrew(with tank and hoses) a trashcan half full of ice and a stack of cups would have one. Since they all drank commercial beer they all lose. Thank god Biden doesn't drink or our enemies would be paying Battleship with our nuclear subs and other clearance information.

  • ||

    Steam beers, be they from Germany or CA, are under-rated.

    Too bad you can't find Dampfbier (literally "Steam Beer" in German; a Bavarian beer brewed with Pilsner malt and Weizen yeast) in the U.S. Last year I thought I would finally get to try one (brewed by Schell's) but they accidentally brought the wrong keg to the Great Taste of the Midwest. Bastards!

  • JB||

    Everyone involved should have been served Arrogant Bastard Ale.

    This.

    I agree that, as a Chicagoan, he should have had an Old Style. (It's fully krausened once again!)
    Clearly he is trying to distance himself from Chicago.


    That would have been a good choice. Unreal how much better that stuff is now that's it's fully krausened. It's not great by any means, but very drinkable cold.

    As for alcohol, I recommend Wild Turkey & coke. Very good combo.

    One of the better beers I have had recently - New Holland's Mad Hatter:
    http://newhollandbrew.com/corp/beer/mainstays

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    Damn...that's my goal in life now: to get kicked out of the White House in a drunken stupor.

  • hmm||

    Which raises the question: When do they cut you off at a White House beer party?

    When Teddy kills someone or Biden starts reciting state secrets. Or when the cops show up to shut you down.

  • ||

    John, just because you don't like bitter doesn't mean bitter isn't great. I love ultra-hopped IPAs. I also like 88% dark chocolate, raw cranberries, and radicchio. Sue me.

  • ||

    John, thanks. I don't know what it says about my taste buds but as affordable beer goes, I like Yeungling's(sp) Black and Tan. It is a good representation of how I like a beer to taste. I have also had some fine fine fruit beers in Portland Or. One was a loganberry beer that was jam-up. I forget the maker. Seems like Pyramid does some fruit beers I've liked in years past.

  • ||

    "John, just because you don't like bitter doesn't mean bitter isn't great. I love ultra-hopped IPAs. I also like 88% dark chocolate, raw cranberries, and radicchio. Sue me."

    Point taken. I love salty. I eat olives by the poind, belly lox salmon, bacala, and beef jerkey. Beef Jerkey and gatoraide is pretty much as good as it gets on the road.

  • ||

    Yeunling makes decent beer. There is tons of good beer in Portland. I find that Portland is what Seattle thinks it is. I would move there in a minute.

  • T||

    I have also had some fine fine fruit beers in Portland Or.

    Belgian Framboise Lambics are the bomb if you like fruit beers. I could live off Lindeman's if I didn't have to work for a living.

  • kinnath||

    Since we have moved up the ladder to hard licqor, I would go with Bushsmill's Single Malt. Of course, I wouldn't turn down a Balvenie or a Laphroaig either.

  • ||

    Too bad you can't find Dampfbier (literally "Steam Beer" in German; a Bavarian beer brewed with Pilsner malt and Weizen yeast) in the U.S. Last year I thought I would finally get to try one (brewed by Schell's) but they accidentally brought the wrong keg to the Great Taste of the Midwest. Bastards!

    They used to sell it at the campus store in Denmark. Good Times. The guy who ran it used to do a beer run in a transit van down to Germany every fortnight. Every previous manager had gone bust in under 18 months. This guy stocked the whole thing with beer and the odd box of cereal.

  • Warty||

    I have never met anyone who got flagged at such an event, but I would have to bow in respect if I ever did.

    Quick, who has Christopher Hitchens' phone number?

  • ||

    I'm a troglodite when it comes to scotch. Years ago I developed a love for Walker Black Label with seven-up.

  • ||

    There was also a kind of smoked beer that tasted a bit like bacon. Can't remember the name but you can get it in the US too.

  • ||

    "I have never met anyone who got flagged at such an event, but I would have to bow in respect if I ever did.

    Quick, who has Christopher Hitchens' phone number?"

    I hadn't thought of him. I bet he has been run out of one if anyone has. He is such a nasty fuck. But nonetheless, if he did get flagged at such an event, I would have to give him his due.

    I like blended scotch. Took me years to finally give it a fair shot. My family is totaly American bourbon drinkers who told me from a very young age that Scotch tasted like wiskey that had been buried in an old tennis shoe under a hen house for five years. But once I got over my prejudices I grew to like it.

  • MonkeeHeadinSouth||

    "what is an IPA?"

    There can be only one

    /www.marstonsbeercompany.co.uk/our_brands/marstons/oldempire.asp

    Sam Adams (not light) is good shit

    but despite the Big O's crap choice in beer
    that beer summit was a feckin great idea

    the world needs more sensible shit like this

  • kinnath||

    I like blended scotch.

    Blended scotch is like jug wine. You need to move up the ladder to single malts -- you should either love it or hate it.

  • Some Cancuks told me ||

  • MonkeeHeadinSouth||

    "I like blended scotch"

    You will be the first up against the wall when i become supreme leader of the islamic Kaliphate of earth

    any think but pure malt is un-islamic

    I'd say any not heavily spiced and peaty is un-islamic but I'll make an exception for the odd Glenmorangie

  • T||

    Sam Adams (not light) is good shit

    Sam Adams is fucky nasty. Every single Sam Adams I've had in my life tastes like the bartender forgot to rinse all the soap out the glass. How Jim Koch built a company on that swill baffles me.

    Oh, wait, you can never go broke depending on the bad taste of the American public. Just ask the Gallo brothers.

  • ||

    robc,

    Yeah, I cut my bourbon and whiskey with Coke. My straight bourbon days are over, I fear.

  • SIV||

    Regular Budweiser is bad enough.

    Fuckin' beer snob.Budweiser is an excellent beer.

  • ||

    I'da gone with Fat Tire, a marvelous Belgian-style ale from Colorado. Or, since I'm a native Chicagoan, a bottle of 312 wheat beer from the Goose Island brewery in the Winday Citay.

  • ||

    SIV,

    Dude, don't believe everything you read:

    This is the famous Budweiser beer. We know of no brand produced by any other brewer which costs so much to brew and age. Our exclusive Beechwood Aging produces a taste, a smoothness, and a drinkability you will find in no other beer at any price.

    Though I will confess that Bud was my standard beer during college, except when I dipped into the Beast or some other cheap beer. The apex of my cheap beer-seeking occurred when Stroh's ran a $5.00 rebate on cases, which I could get for about $8.00. $3.00/case--that endrunkenfied millions of poor college students and millions more of our working class, I'm sure.

  • ||

    I am told you can go to Scotland and the smaller distilaries there will for a price give you a course in how to make scotch. I have always thought that if I ever won the lottary, I would move to a nice big country house somewhere, have a large pack of hounds and spend my days perfecting the making of bourbon, scotch, beer and wine. That, riding a good hunter and shooting would make a pretty full old age.

  • ||

    There was also a kind of smoked beer that tasted a bit like bacon. Can't remember the name but you can get it in the US too.

    Schlenkerla. Personally I recommend the Ur-Bock over the Märzen (both are very smoky, but the Ur-Bock has a stronger malt backbone to balance it out). Really, though, if you like smoked beers you can't go wrong with anything from Schlenkerla.

  • kinnath||

    I am told you can go to Scotland and the smaller distilaries there will for a price give you a course in how to make scotch.

    You don't need to go that far. Fermentation is easy and legal in the US. Distillation is easy, but not so legal.

  • threeofclubs||

    Some of the posters are making me worried.
    For the germans it was only a short step from their beer purity laws (Reinheitsgebot) to racial purity laws.

  • ||

    "Distillation is easy, but not so legal."

    I know. But surely for the right price you could get the necessary permits and pay the proper taxes and do it legally and create your own micro distilled "scotchlike substance".

  • kinnath||

    I saw show on some cable channel about making scotch. They take water as it runs out of the peat fields -- it looks like liquid mud -- and add the malt before fermentation. It is the peat-water that makes scotch, so you'd have a hard time recreating that anywhere else.

  • kinnath||

    I know. But surely for the right price you could get the necessary permits and pay the proper taxes and do it legally and create your own micro distilled "scotchlike substance".

    If you want to start a business, then sure. But there no exemption for home distillation similar to home brewing.

    By the way, you can accidentally make a pretty nice brandy by leaving a bucket of wine in the garage when it's 20 below outside. Chip away the ice and you can double the ABV -- or so I've heard.

  • ||

    "I saw show on some cable channel about making scotch. They take water as it runs out of the peat fields -- it looks like liquid mud -- and add the malt before fermentation. It is the peat-water that makes scotch, so you'd have a hard time recreating that anywhere else."

    I saw that same show. You are right. But you could still make wiskey using their techniques of aging. I would be fun to experiment with. Like a big chemestry experiment you get to drink in five years.

  • ||

    There are peat bogs in the area around St. Maries Idaho.

  • kinnath||

    There are peat bogs in the area around St. Maries Idaho.

    There you go John . . . .

  • ||

    Yeah but if I moved to a large country home in Idaho with a herd of horses, a large pack of dogs and a large arsenal of weapons, I would definitely end up on some kind of government list.

  • kinnath||

    . . . . I would definitely end up on some kind of government list.

    Too late, you post at H&R.

  • ||

    It is the peat-water that makes scotch, so you'd have a hard time recreating that anywhere else.

    While the water indeed often comes from peaty streams, I believe a lot of the peatiness comes not from the water but from peat-smoked malt. Actually, I should say that I know that peat-smoked malt is used; I just don't know for sure how much smoke comes from the malt vs. the water. What I can tell you is that I've brewed beers with peat-smoked malt and it's got quite the kick. I'm sure you could employ that in making your own American "Scotch." Now, procuring barrels, that may be more difficult...

  • hmm||

    I'm a troglodite when it comes to scotch. Years ago I developed a love for Walker Black Label with seven-up.

    If you like JW find some Cardhu for a single malt. Not easy to find in the states, but it is cheap and is a great single malt. (it's the majority of the JW blend) However, if you put 7-up in it I will be forced to hunt you. Beer snobs bad, liquor snobs correct.

    I saw show on some cable channel about making scotch. They take water as it runs out of the peat fields -- it looks like liquid mud -- and add the malt before fermentation.

    I don't know what show it was, but what you thought was water was probably the wort or wash. The peat burning is one of the things that adds flavor. tannins and flavor from wood also contribute along with what ever is used in the wort. The water makes a difference, but it is often the alkalinity that causes the difference and for certain things to floculate out of the wash.


    It's legal to distill in many states if it is for the purpose of fuel. Otherwise it's a no no.

  • NeonCat||

    If you are in the Kansas City area, Boulevard has some really good beers. Boulevard Zond is a really nice summer brew. In Atlanta, Sweetwater 420 Pale Ale is admired by many and not just because of the marketing.

    Generally, though, I get some Shiner. I really wish Shiner Blond was available around here.

  • hmm||

    . . . . I would definitely end up on some kind of government list.

    Too late, you post at H&R.


    I had a LEO administrator on another board/forum that has a lot of LEO on it ban me for a Reason link. The reason given when I asked in an email? Reason is an anti-government site that advocates overthrow of the government. Rocket scientists I tell you.

  • kinnath||

    I don't know what show it was, but what you thought was water was probably the wort or wash.

    It was a long time ago, but I believe that I saw "brown" water runing directly out of a peat field into the wort.

  • Robert||

    Budweiser doesn't strive to be anybody's favorite beer. You think it's the favorite even of any of the people who brew it? And I'm sure they wouldn't be ashamed to admit another was their favorite. What Bud & Miller aim for is to be inoffensive, broadly acceptable, which is what made it the politician's symbolic choice. If you own a small bar and can stock only so many beers, you want to have at least one that anybody in the crowd will drink, even if it's nobody's favorite. And as seen in this thread, the ones that are the favorite of some are thought of as awful by others. Meanwhile, while everyone denigrates Budweiser, they'll all drink it on the spur of the moment in preference to some other beers, especially if many of the other choices are ones they've never had.

    I really like Lobko, dark or light.

  • Cliché Bandit||

    Speaking of whiskey (I LOVE scotch and consider it as important as wine and beer to my liquor cabinet...come to think of it I only don't like Gin, and I am even warming up to that after a trip to Vinopolis in London.) Stranahan's is now available in liquor stores. At least out here in CO. CO's first whiskey (legal) distillery since prohibition. I use their barrel staves in some of my darker brews. AWESOME stuff. A little sweet right now but give it 8 more years.

  • hmm||

    Budweiser doesn't strive to be anybody's favorite beer. You think it's the favorite even of any of the people who brew it?

    Those that brew it and work at AB here are pretty adamant about it.

    AB is a marketing company and actually describes itself that way internally.

  • hmm||

    Cliché Bandit | July 31, 2009, 3:37pm | #

    I waited for the cliche. Then I waited some more. Then I waited a little more, but alas. No cliche.

  • T||

    If you own a small bar and can stock only so many beers, you want to have at least one that anybody in the crowd will drink, even if it's nobody's favorite.

    Yup. And you know it'll taste the same as every other Bud on planet Earth. It's more or less completely inoffensive.

  • Duffman||

    "Hops make beer bitter"

    John, although hops do make beer bitter if boiled in the wort (pre-fermentation sugar water), IPAs have the majority of their hops added at the end of the boil and after fermentation (dry-hopping), which adds no bitterness, just aroma.

    Hops are definitely an acquired taste, but just like a complex wine or scotch, once you get used to it, it's hard to go back to the regular stuff.

  • ||

    I normally don't like flavored beers (other than beer-flavored, that is) but the local Fresh Market used to carry Rogue Chipotle Ale. I miss it, just a hint of chipotle, one of the bust form of chili out there, IMO. Rogue's Chocolate Stout is good too, as is Young's.

    I'm sure you could employ that in making your own American "Scotch."



    When I lived in Canada, the LCBO used to carry Highland whiskywhich IIANM is Canadian made scotch, but since it's not made in Scotland they can't call it that. Never tried it though, they also had a blended scotch that they imported in barrels and was quite worth the price. With the real stuf that cheap I saw no point in drinking an imitation.

    Also either Maudite or Fin du Monde from Montreal is made using Scotch whisky malt. Good stuff, well, both are but I especially like the Scotch based one but I haven't seen it stocked anywhere I go lately.

  • hmm||

    You get what some people perceive as bitter from dry hopping. The antiseptic taste is sometimes seen by some as bitter. The flavor added by hops depends on the boil time. The oils will evaporate the longer the hops boil. Generally hops early less bitter, hops late in the wort will be more bitter or hoppy depending on the hop.

    IPAs are generally high on the bitter unit scale. Generally over 40.

  • ||

    endrunkenfied



    OK, that's the best fucking word I've seen all year.

    Everyone needs to try to say it after about five Stroh's.

  • ||

    Hops are definitely an acquired taste, but just like a complex wine or scotch, once you get used to it, it's hard to go back to the regular stuff.

    Eh, I don't know about that. I think hops are what initially get many into craft beer, but I've also seen a lot of people tire of hop bombs after a while. One pattern I've observed in a lot of beer geeks is starting out with hop bombs, progressing to funky Belgians, then to American sours, and finally to German lagers and British ales that are much more subtle in their flavors. Personally, I think beer is like music... I may prefer certain styles over others, but in any category there's SOMETHING I'll like. (Exceptions that prove the rule: American wheats/Hefes when it comes to beer and pop country when it comes to music.)

  • ||

    "If Obama was a real Chicagoan he'd have went with the Old Style!!"


    OLd Style is for Cubs fans. Obama (in yet another example of his poor decision making skills) is a White Sox fan. Therefore a sissy beer like Bud Light is right up his ally.

  • hmm||

    Belgians-->stouts-->more Belgians-->uh one IPA somewhere in there-->British and Scottish ales. Make more wine and mead than anything though. Since I don't drink much I have to make what others will drink or what I can store in 5 gal kegs.

  • kinnath||

    Make more wine and mead than anything though.

    Lots of mead (traditional meads, melomels, pyments, and cysers). Started making wines last fall. Have done a couple of ciders. No interest in beer at all.

  • ||

    Schlenkerla. Personally I recommend the Ur-Bock over the Märzen (both are very smoky, but the Ur-Bock has a stronger malt backbone to balance it out). Really, though, if you like smoked beers you can't go wrong with anything from Schlenkerla.

    Good stuff, Schlenkerla it was. Think I'll have a St Peter's IPA this evening. Just something easy; still got a touch of the 'flu, after all.

  • Jason||

    I wonder if the White House bar stocks a real Berliner Weisse...

    Obama could have been more honest and gone with this Australian brew: Piss Beer.

  • robc||

    ClubMedSux,

    they accidentally brought the wrong keg to the Great Taste of the Midwest.

    You there next weekend? Where is the reason meetup?

  • Cliché Bandit||

    hmm | July 31, 2009, 3:39pm | #

    Cliché Bandit | July 31, 2009, 3:37pm | #

    I waited for the cliche. Then I waited some more. Then I waited a little more, but alas. No cliche.



    DAMNIT!!!!

    One for the road
    and now this i am caught up
    Waste not want not

  • Charles||

    Has not one of your assholes not mentioned a solid stout? Left Hand makes a pretty good milk stout that's American and tastes like magic.

  • robc||

    Has not one of your assholes

    I only have one and it hasnt mentioned anything.

  • Charles||

    I am just so upset I can't type!

  • Cliché Bandit||

    My asshole is my brother...he likes stouts. Young's English if I remember (not the double chocolate).

    Blood is thicker than water

  • ||

    ...this Australian brew: Piss Beer.

    ...

    Damn, I was expecting to go to the Foster's site.

  • MattXIV||

    One cheap but interesting beer I recently had was Huber. I'm not sure if was intentional or if the 12 pack I bought was a from a fluke batch, but it tasted kind of like slightly undercooked fresh bread in a good way (not a hint or a note of fresh bread - it was the main flavor of the beer) and was suprisingly drinkable. I can't recommend Huber Bock though; that tastes pretty much like you'd expect $8 for a 12-pack beer to taste.

  • ||

    Charles

    See my 4:02pm. I mention Rogue's Chocolate Stout (American) and Young's Double Chocolate Stout (English).

  • robc||

    I was enjoying a thread that was low on stout mentions. Normally these kind of threads (on other sites) are bout 50% stouts.

  • ||

    And it doesn't show up on Google! You'd think someone would've coined endrunkenfied before now. Or endrunkenfication.

  • robc||

    Going to be enjoying some Goose Island Nut Brown tonight. What kind of marketing moron told them to change the name from Goose Island Hexnut Brown?

    Hexnut was a great name. Now it is generic.

  • Charles||

    robc, that's because stouts are so delicious. Also, meal-like. If Obama had timed it right, he could have served four big stouts and called it both a beer summit and a state dinner.

  • robc||

    eh, stouts dont do it for me. Not a fan of "roast". I dont drink coffee either.

    It and rauchbiers are about the only 2 styles I cant drink. Unlike other styles that I DONT drink (american wheats, crappy american macro-rice/corn-lagers), I at least appreciate what they are trying to do.

  • ||

    I very much enjoy Left Hand Milk Stout. My asshole, not so much.

    Oh, and robc, I will indeed be heading up there Saturday morning. Drop me a beermail or an email... The first vanilla-aged Dark Lord's on me!

  • hmm||

    I for one am a strong proponent of stout enemas.

  • ||

    Pro Libertate

    of course, towing the lion while endrunkenfied is not recommended.

  • hmm||

    How about towing endrunkenfied lions?

  • ||

    I don't know, but if I even found a dynasty, the Endrunkenfied Lion will be on its crest.

  • ||

    Make that ever found a dynasty.

  • ||

    So this how you get over 240+ posts, eh? Talk about beer. Jeez what a bunch of drunks. Oh, for liquor, I like Jaegermeister.
    And if anyone can get me a keg of Michelsbrau from Babenhausen, they can fuck my sister.

  • Kevin Carson||

    It's pretty obvious why Obama selected Bud. I had a bet with myself that that would be his choice. He probably had a committee of people working to select a mass-market domestic beer and avoid any chance of a Grey Poupon-gate repeat.

    Just once, I'd like to see a Democrat with the cojones to say "Look, I like what I like, and it's my business, and I won't insult your intelligence by pretending to like something just to pander to you. The Republicans who try to turn brown mustard, microbrews and sailboarding into culture war issues think you're stupid."

  • robc||

    Kevin,

    I agree with your reasoning, but it doesnt explain Bud. Why pick a mass-market Belgo-Brazilian beer? He could have gone with a multi-generational family-owned mass-market lager like Yuengling. Would have even helped with the PA and FL vote in 2012.

  • ||

    If I was invited to some non-event bit of beer drinking theater at the White House, I would have to choose Buckler. Of the "non-alcoholic" (Meaning very low levels of alcohol) beers, it is among the best.

    I guess that makes me uncool to Jacob Sullum. Gosh, what a shame that is.

  • ||

    If Bud or Miller or Coors or Corona or Molson or some other "inoffensive" Pilsner is the only beer available, I drink red wine.

    JR

  • highnumber||

    OLd Style is for Cubs fans. Obama (in yet another example of his poor decision making skills) is a White Sox fan. Therefore a sissy beer like Bud Light is right up his ally.
    (Insert "sic" in there as needed.)

    Old Style is not a Cubs beer. In fact, Cubs icon Harry Caray read copy for Budweiser ("Cub fan, Bud man"), and it was the famous red roofed Budweiser house outside Wrigley that was just repainted. If each team were to have its own beer, Cubs would be Bud, Sox would be Miller.

    Old Style is served at both ballparks. It is a beer associated with Chicago, not a team.

  • ||

    I'm digging all the Arrogant Bastard comments. Too bad Double Bastard isn't currently in season.

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  • Jon||

    Without going into detail, "light" beer isnt watered down. more of the sugars are eaten away by differant means of fermentation, so the beer becomes lighter, less flavor, and because less sugar, less calories for people that cant jump on a treadmill and enjoy cornricebeer.

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