Barack Obama

Will Secret Obama Workout Tape Lead to Impeachment? Or Just More Manly Drone Attacks?

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I first saw this at Hot Air, where Allahpundit writes:

As a confirmed beta male myself, I'm no position to judge — although the eight thousand "Do you even lift, bro?" jokes on Twitter today did make me giggle. Remember back in the summer of 2008, at the zenith of Obamamania, when a German reporter claimed she watched him curl 32-kilogram, a.k.a. 70-pound, dumbbells? Either that was part of the Hopenchange hype or he's lost a lot of mass since, so much so that this practically serves as a metaphor for how far he's fallen. Don't be too judge-y, though: In his defense, he's going to be 53 this year and has a job that keeps him pretty busy, what with all the celebrity dinners and golfing and horrendously bad prisoner swaps and all.

I think Allahpundit's main point—that the mere existence of this sort of unflattering material is a marker of how much the bloom is off the rose with regard to Lord Obama—is a sound one.

I always find it disturbing when (mostly conservative) commenters fixate on perceived masculinity as a major topic of discussion (this is not what Allahpundit is doing here). As with the pajama boy reactions, there's a certain amount of uncomfortable…latency that bleeds through such commentary. 

But there's a real question of whether Obama is sliding into Carteresque "Killer Rabbit" territory or H.W. Bush-level "wimp factor"or Mr. Creosote-style vomiting (god, wouldn't that be AWESOME?). 

He's had a string of really awful micro-fuckups and mini-scandals of late and he's already a lame duck long before his last two years in office kick in. If Obama is feeling vulnerable to charges that he's not the he-man he once was, well, that might lead him to overreact in ways that could be really bad for the U.S. and whatever unfortunate countries he decides to bomb.

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  1. 10,000 years of human society (and a few million years of hominid society before that) have evolved into us the understanding that it is better to have strong masculine leaders than to have weak ones who tone so that they look good in a pair of yoga pants.

    I may not like that (in fact I neither like it nor dislike it), but I trust it over the maybe-40-year-old received wisdom that it’s better to have a pencil necked Harvard intellectual than a brutish man’s man. …and when that received wisdom comes mostly from other pencil necked Harvard intellectuals in Hollywood, NPR, the New York Times, and the Big Three TV stations during the era of Big Blue, I see a whole lot of self-dealing in this act of planned and intentional opinion creation.

    1. I don’t have a problem with either a strong masculine leader or pencil necked Harvard intellectual if they’re ideas don’t suck and they are able to make good decisions. And the last 10,000 years of human society haven’t always been so awesome. I’m pretty happy to have not lived through that.

    2. That’s stupid. The same non-sequitur is used to argue that commerce is evil and we are all obligated to labor for “society,” because that’s what human society was for most of its time. A wimpy intellectual may be a terrible leader for a tribe of hunter-gatherers; that doesn’t mean Ugg is the ideal leader of a modern liberal government.

      1. I’m not arguing for Ugg. I’m arguing against wimps.

        Negotiation and diplomacy are human games, and it helps to understand how humans work.

        1. First of all, high testosterone levels and intelligence aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.

          In the modern age, our political leader won’t have to physically fight, but should still be able to instill confidence and earn respect from other leaders. Dorkiness (a quality Obama displays plainly in this workout video, also when he couldn’t throw a pitch, etc) is not conducive to leadership.

  2. At least he was never a cheerleader?

    1. His cheerleading records are sealed. As a matter of national security.

    2. Cheerleaders are usually pretty damn strong.

      1. There’s always those two on either side that frame the human pyramid.

      2. Plus, if they’re straight, you gotta admire their cunning.

        1. ^This. Or, for that matter, the straight guys in high school that join the Drama Club…

          1. Hells yeah. I was in the Drama Club and the girls in there were some of the hottest in.school. they swooned over several.of.us guys who joined. I, however, was too stupid.to recognize.such.swooning at the.time, and/or was.too selective in my desire.to avoid crazy.

            1. I really enjoyed high school… but god damn, I shoulda been doing squats and getting laid on the reg. Teenagers really are idiots.

              1. Part.of it was that the girls.were just too overt about.it. I’m sort of sensitive about excessive emotionalism, and they were rather pushy about.it. My natural response was.to.back off, rather than roll in and take what.they were offering.

            2. “and/or was.too selective in my desire.to avoid crazy.”

              Yeah, I joined drama club and quickly figured out that the girls that migrated to drama tended toward crazy. Well, generally it was just more like emotional instability. Not all of them were, but the unattached good looking one’s tended to be that way.

  3. The most powerful man in the world.

  4. looks like a leg and back workout to me. don’t know how or why it is being compared to bicep curls.

    1. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    2. Looks like Generic Soccer Mom Workout #7 to me.

  5. As a confirmed beta male myself

    Do you really need to boast? *BARF*

    1. No joke. Never thought I’d see the day where grown ass men would brag about being pussies.

      1. But, the jacket.

        1. Not Gillespie saying it.

          1. Whoops.

          2. But you know he thinks it

    2. Allahpundit has made that part of his shtick, for years.

  6. Speaking of working out, in an effort to improve my golf game I have begun focusing more on my back.

    Pullups seemed like a good idea, except I can only crank out 3. Am I wasting my time or is working to improve my max a good idea?

    1. What about using a machine and doing a lat pulldown? Then you can adjust the weight to a difficulty level where you can do a reasonable number of reps.

    2. Pullups are excellent. It takes a long time to build up to good rep range, but well worth it in terms of physique and physical ability. Do as many pullups as you can and work in some lat pulldowns and the other classic back exercises and you’ll get there.

      1. Cool. I usually avoid machines (and the lat pulldown always seemed too easy like it wasn’t doing much anyway) but now that I know how pathetic I am, I’ll circle back.

        1. It’s very easy to avoid working your lats and use other muscles doing lat pulldowns. Try visualizing rotating your upper arms down rather than pulling the bar down, and focus on the squeeze in the back of your shoulder blades and the muscle cord running from your armpit down your back flank. I’ve also found a 2-4 second hold and squeeze at the bottom helps with difficulty and proper muscle targeting.

        2. 3-4 sets of half your max w/ 60 second rest. Decrease rest periods by 15 seconds each week. You’ll be on your way. That’s one trick. Halfway to my goal of 20 consecutive before the year is out.

      2. I’ve never had much use for lat pulldowns. If you can’t do an honest pullup, cheat them with a jump and lower yourself down as slowly as you can. Or you can cheat the movement by using a big rubber band or a partner to help push you up. Or if your gym has them, the assisted pullup machines are pretty nice too.

        1. The past week, after I have completed my few real pullups, I switched to doing jump up and lower myself down.

          Another question, in your opinion, are rest days important? My theory is no, but I am no expert.

          1. are rest days important?

            To some degree yes, I mean recovery is important. But, if you feel like hitting the gym or doing something active everyday for a few weeks go ahead, it won’t kill you. Unless you’re a HIT Jedi, then you will die.

          2. They are, and they become more important the stronger you get. A beginner can probably recover fine in 24 hours, but, say, a guy who deadlifts 800 for 5 is going to be beat up for a few days after that.

            Active rest is better than sitting on the couch. Go for a walk.

            1. ^^This

              Rest should mean resting those muscles that were worked over, not being a saunch.

              Vary your work-out to give the sore muscles a light day. Also, the best thing for sore muscles is a light work-out that just gets blood flowing to the sore areas.

        2. This, all of the way.

          When I was only able to do one or two pull ups, I started doing 5-6 sets of 5 pull ups mixed with push ups and sit ups. I’d do my one, then jump up and lower myself slowly for the remaining four. It wasn’t long before I was able to do more and more and able to complete a few sets of five reps before having to switch to reverse pull ups.

          I’d stay away from the lat machine personally. It’s too easy to “cheat” by leaning back. Just stick with the pull up bar.

    3. Agreed with the above. Pull ups are great, but start off by focusing more on lat pull downs and assisted pull ups (most gyms have such a machine). I find that close grip pull ups with a “hammer” grip (palms facing eachother) is a little easier for me, so you may try to mix that in as well. Rows (there are lots of variations) are also great.

      I don’t golf, but I would think shoulder and core strength are also really important.

    4. There are no bigger muscles that can help your golf game. I can fly anybody that can bench press 3X more than me just by being tall and thin. Muscles restrict swing arc.

      Think Bubba Watson vs a bodybuilder. Bodybuilders not only are meatheads – they have no elasticity.

      1. The funniest thing about you, you colossal idiot, is that you’re most appallingly ignorant on the things about which you think you know something. Do everyone a favor and kill yourself.

        1. I also like how he jumps from “bodybuilders don’t make great golfers” to “building muscle can never help your golf game”.

          1. I mean, good golfers all look like the 98-pound weaklings whose faced I kick sand into when I’m at the beach.

            1. Imagine how good Tiger would be if he quit hitting the gym!

              1. Skinny Tiger circa 2000 could outplay Tiger model 2013 any day.

                1. Yes, Tiger only started lifting in 2012. You’re right, he’s only 8% of the golfer he was before he started lifting.

                  1. Look at the photo below from 2000. He is downright skinny but also strong and healthy and he was the best ever at the time.

                    What did the muscle do for him? Nothing but problems. He won his last major in 2008.

                    Fuck you Warty. You should just bow to me from now on.

                    1. Also here is Bubba Watson (who is not young).

                      http://www2.pictures.zimbio.co…..imUhBl.jpg

                      Bubba is the longest major winner of all time. And he is skinny.

                    2. Yeah, the only thing that happened in 2009 which could have caused Tiger’s career to crash was his cheating on the golf course with the gym.

                2. Palin’s Buttplug|6.5.14 @ 10:10AM|#

                  Skinny Tiger circa 2000 could outplay Tiger model 2013 any day.”

                  2013 Tiger has some very serious knee and back injuries that 2000 Tiger didn’t.

                  But don’t let those very germane facts interrupt your narrative. The, one time popular, idea that weight lifting was bad for certain types of athletics has been disproved decades ago. Even ballet dancers can help their game with weight lifting. Just ask my 28 yr old ballet instructor wife.

                  Derp on Buttplug. !

            2. Tiger 2000 – greatest year in golf history.

              http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/gol…..usopen.jpg

          2. It is true for you two ignoramouses. Golfers from Johnny Miller to Tiger Woods have taken up weightlifting to gain muscle thinking it would give them a little “extra” and both of them were never the same.

            It is odd that Warty picks gold to challenge me on. Embarrassing for him really.

            1. Still, Obama throws like a girl

            2. I doubt there is a pro golfer out there who does not regularly hit the gym. No one is suggesting you puff up like a body builder to improve your golf game, but toning your back is hardly that.

              Your thinking is so weird. Seriously.

      2. Bodybuilders not only are meatheads – they have no elasticity.

        Kai Greene would like a word…

        1. Seriously. The 50s called, they’d like their myths about musclebinding back.

      3. So, you don’t use core muscles + your back and shoulders in your swing? How do you swing?

      4. Tell that to Tiger

      5. There are no bigger muscles that can help your golf game. I can fly anybody that can bench press 3X more than me just by being tall and thin. Muscles restrict swing arc.

        So fucking hilarious considering that you’re a short, fat, pimply-faced dweeb. I bet you’ve never even been on a golf course in your life, Weigel.

      6. Keep telling yourself that shreek. You know what else? Those pro wrestlers, all the stuff you see them do on television is just a performance, and that means in real life they are pussies.

    5. Do pullups every day, ideally do throughout the day. And also squat and deadlift and bench press and military press.

      1. Do *them* throughout the day.

      2. If I have learned anything from reading your posts, it is to squat.

        In theory, wouldn’t the pullup be the squat for the upper body?

        1. I’ve heard it called that. The only real problem with it is that it’s slightly awkward to add weight. The belts with the chains that you can attach plates to work well enough, but the chain is too close to important bits for me to feel comfortable. But yeah. Show me a dude who can do a 2x bodyweight pullup and I’ll show you a strong dude.

        2. Weighted dips are another great compound upper body exercise.

      3. I saw a picture on the interwebs once that had a blonde and a brunette named Squat and Deadlift. The caption read, “Just because you prefer one over the other, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do them both.”

        Squats and deads are my two favorite things. Actually I hate them, but I love how quickly I can get them over with and how much strength they give me. Deadlifts especially. It’s almost an entire body workout at once.

    6. You can try Pavel’s program. Love his stuff, awesome.

    7. Learning how to do pull-ups was the best thing for my workout.

      I started by doing them with my lower legs held up parallel to the ground and buddy holding them to assist. Warty’s method above is also good if you don’t have a friend to help.

      Pretty soon I could only do 1 or 2 by myself, but now I didn’t need any assistant. You build up pretty quickly, actually. I got my max up to 12 at my peak.

      Now that I don’t care about being jacked, I gave up my gym membership, bought a multi-grip pull up bar, and just do pull/chin/push ups at home.

      So yeah, pull ups aren’t a waste of time. Once you get good at them, you realize that free gyms are all around you.

  7. here’s a clue – don’t put out videos of yourself working out. That way, you don’t invite commentary. However, if you are in need of distracting people from your epic stupidity, this is a short-term diversion.

  8. First, there is no “uncomfortable latency” about making fun of pajama boy. The problem with the guy in that picture is not that he was effeminate, it was that he looked childish and ridiculous. They could have dressed him in woman’s business suit and put makeup on him and it would have been odd but not ridiculous in the way that he looked in the ad. Even in drag, he would have looked like an adult.

    If there is any “uncomfortable latency” going on here it is from people like Nick who see latent homosexuality in any ridicule of a less than masculine male, regardless of how truthful the ridicule. It is okay Nick. No one, least of all Libertarians is going to care or really even want to know whatever your private thoughts and sexual desires are. Stop worrying about it and projecting that worry on everyone else.

    What is going on here is that Obama is the same faculty lounge dork he has always been. The media, including Reason a bit in the beginning, has pretended that Obama is somehow masculine and cool. He is not and everyone has always known that, even if they were too afraid of being called a racist to say it. Now the bloom is off the rose a bit, after 6 years of stupidity and general awfulness, and there is going to be a backlash as the public gets tired of being lied to and all of the latent animosity people have for this guy finally comes out.

    1. There won’t be a backlash. The public will continue to quietly take it because they know there’s nothing they can do about it. Then come next election, they’ll reelect their corrupt Congressmen, lamenting about how it’s all the other ones who are corrupt, and elect another moron to the presidency. Because that’s what Americans do.

      1. There will be a backlash. People will hate Obama’s guts before this is over. Whether that means anything is another issue.

        1. What recent president hasn’t been hated by the time their term is over? Hated by all except hardcore TEAM faithful that is.

          1. Usually it takes until sometime in the second term for me to hate the sound of a president’s voice so much that I have to change the channel when they appear or I start screaming obscenities at the TV. I have to give Obama credit. He really upped his game and managed to get me there by early in year three of his first term. As always he’s an overachiever.

        2. I have been saying he will be to the Dems for years what Bush was for the GOP. The real difficulty for the Dems will be that he will still be very popular with blacks and so it will be fun watching Dems trying to distance themselves from him without alienating that base.

          1. The real problem for Democrats is that things have gone so poorly for blacks even with a black President. How do Democrats motivate blacks to come to the polls and keep the 90+ percent of the black vote they need to win national elections after this? What can they promise them? Obama managed to get enormous black turnout two presidential elections in a row. I don’t see how they get that again in 2016. Also, at some point the opposing interests of socially conservative blacks and socially liberal white liberals and the economic conflict between blacks and Hispanics is going to get harder and harder to paper over. It wouldn’t be such a big deal if their margin wasn’t so small. It is not like there is any danger of a majority of blacks going Republican. But even winning 70% of the black vote isn’t good enough. Anything less than 90% creates a lot of problems and anything less than 80% is a disaster.

            1. Democrats don’t have to motivate blacks, the GOP will do that for them with things like Voter ID laws.

              1. There is no evidence that anyone other than liberal activists are motivated by voter ID laws. And the voter ID laws just make it harder for Democrats to fake the black turnout if there isn’t one.

                Yes, they know they are in trouble getting black turnout and that is why the media has gone full racist all of the time lately. The problem is at some point you do hit a a point of diminishing returns. I think people are starting to tune it out.

                1. You need to read up more about the 2012 election. Lots of people thought Romney would win because blacks were not going to turn out in very high numbers, but they were wrong because they did, and in many key states they were the difference. There’s a lot of good reporting about how black churches mobilized around the ID laws issue and turned it out.

                  1. Lots of people thought Romney would win because blacks were not going to turn out in very high numbers, but they were wrong because they did, and in many key states they were the difference.

                    Sure, they were defending the first (sorta)black president. It was purely tribal. There’s no way in hell they’re going to turn out like that for Hillary. They would for Cory Booker or another black candidate but not for either of the top white grannies.

                    1. Again, you should try two things: read some accounts of NAACP and black church strategies and then talk to some politically active black people. In 2012 the NAACP and the Dems worked through networks of black churches who were energized by the Voter ID issue. Even in an off year election like the one for governor in Virginia this strategy worked (Obama was not on the ticket there you know).

                      It’s still going on. If North Carolina is even close it is because blacks are going to turn out for Hagan and this is largely because they are very, very upset about the ID laws NC passed.

                      Again, if you can not see how blacks might be sensitive to what can be seen as voter related laws then you just are oblivious to black recent history and culture.

                    2. Dream on.

                  2. Yeah, driver ids are designed to keep black people from having cars and id requirements for buying booze are to deny their right to alcohol and the requirement to show id when boarding a commercial flight is there to keep them off airplanes and making people show an id when paying by check is part of the conspiracy to keep them from buying stuff and a picture id badge required to get in the building at work is meant to keep them unemployed.

              2. Democrats don’t have to motivate blacks, the GOP will do that for them with things like Voter ID laws.

                Blacks already have ID, or they wouldn’t be able to buy their menthols and forties. What’s the big deal about needing ID to vote?

                1. I know you’re only being partly serious here, but I have two questions:

                  1. Where in the world do you live that you get carded so much? I’m only in my mid-20s and I can count on one hand the number of times this year I have been carded buying alcohol. Most cashiers glance at me, key in whatever they are supposed to key in to say I was checked, and ring me up. My cousin who is thirty and has a touch of grey hair never gets carded.

                  2. Do you really not get why needing ID to vote might be a big issue for blacks? Everyone knows that the people who are less likely to have the necessary ID or supporting documents are disproportionately minority and there is kind of this history of passing laws hoping to turn blacks away at the polls. Many older blacks can remember the fight to open up the polls from really suppressive voter laws and so, yes, they are little sensitive to anything they might see as an attempt to suppress their vote.

                  1. 1. I live in Maine. I’m forty years old and get carded almost every single time I buy alcohol. While I quit smoking, my wife did not, and I get carded when I buy smokes for her. I don’t know if it’s something in Maine law, or if businesses just set policy to card everyone to avoid getting busted in a sting, but that’s how it is. I get carded more often than not.

                    2. I honestly don’t give a shit. I’ve had ID since I had my first job at fifteen. Someone who has no identification likely doesn’t have a job and is soaking off the system. Fuck them. Get a fucking ID and get a fucking job.

                    1. Do you get carded at your job? Most jobs ask for ID when you get hired, and then that’s it. People that have been working the same job for decades probably haven’t got their ID out at work in years and years.

                      Maine sounds pretty terrible on this point.

                    2. People who have been on the dole for decades probably haven’t got their ID out for benefits in years and years.

                    3. I like your honesty, that you could care less if eligible voters are turned away because they lack ID, because they are bad kinds of voters anyway.

                      You prove my point. You don’t think blacks here people like yourself?

                    4. I like your honesty, that you could care less if eligible voters are turned away because they lack ID,

                      If you want to buy booze, you need ID. If you want to buy smokes, you need ID. If you want to rent a room or a car, you need ID. If you want to buy a gun, you need ID. If you get stopped by the cops, you need ID.

                      But somehow you don’t need ID to vote?

                      because they are bad kinds of voters anyway.

                      If by “bad” you mean irresponsible and most likely ignorant, they yeah. It doesn’t bother me one bit. If I were king, only property owners would be allowed to vote. That means I wouldn’t have been allowed to vote until eight years ago, and would lose that right if I sold my home and decided to rent. I’m sure you’ll chalk that up to racism, because that’s the narrative and you’re sticking to it.

                    5. I am 49 and while I may look significantly younger I don’t look underage, and I routinely get carded. I think it is often times just a blanket policy – card everyone and you won’t get busted for not carding someone.

                    6. I am 49 and while I may look significantly younger I don’t look underage, and I routinely get carded. I think it is often times just a blanket policy

                      That and more and more place are requiring cashiers to enter in a birthdate (not just grocery stores, either). My guess is a cashier catches shit when the manager sees they keep putting in 09/09/90

                    7. I’m 52 and I get carded more now then I did at 17 . I don’t think I was ever carded for tobacco between ages 13 and 45.

                    8. I’m 52 and I get carded more now then I did at 17 . I don’t think I was ever carded for tobacco between ages 13 and 45.

                    9. I’m 52 and I get carded more now then I did at 17 . I don’t think I was ever carded for tobacco between ages 13 and 45.

                  2. Everyone knows that the people who are less likely to have the necessary ID or supporting documents are disproportionately minority

                    No progressives just claim that – and reveal their latent racism by doing so.

                    1. No, courts have found that as a matter of fact in case after case on this issue. Many state’s admit this fact or prove it themselves from their own studies accessed by the courts.

                    2. Bullshit.

                  3. Live in CO. Carded every single time I buy wine. I’m 54. Those people not carding you are setting up the store for a major problem. One underage sting and they lose big.

                  4. Indeed memories. No statute of limitation on memories, is there. I know Irish people who are still pissed at Cromwell. Ah, they’re SENSITIVE, too. The FEELZ again. Feelz are always good reasons for laws or the avoidance of enforcing them.

                    If it’s so hard for minorities to get voter ids, why doesn’t Soros or OFA put some of their billions into a get-voter-id drive?

                  5. “1. Where in the world do you live that you get carded so much?”

                    I’m living in TN and am in my 40’s. Everyone cards now for alcohol. Ten years ago, I didn’t get always get carded, now I do every single time. And most cashiers have to punch in the birthdate from my ID into the cash register.

            2. Until three years ago had no ID (I can’t drive, so I got a photo card). Still managed to have a responsible job with a good salary and a roof over my head

              1. But you live in a land entirely peopled by criminals!

              2. IFH,

                How did you get a bank account without an ID? You never flew commercial? When you got your job, I bet you had to show them your social security card to prove you were legal.

                You have a Photo Card. That is an ID isn’t it?

                1. 1. How did you get a bank account without an ID? Opened it as a child. Got my credit card at 18 off the back of that.

                  2. You never flew commercial? Yes, and have never needed to show ID.

                  3. When you got your job, I bet you had to show them your social security card to prove you were legal. And you’d lose that bet. Australia does not have Social Security cards, and my word that I was a citizen has been enough for every job I have ever had, including short stints in the public service during my university holidays. Or do you mean “legal” in the other sense?

                  4. You have a Photo Card. That is an ID isn’t it? Yes. Which I got 3 years ago. So for most of my adult life I’ve been able to live without ID. And I’ve hardly used the photo card.

                  1. Voting is about the only thing you can do in America without presenting identification.

                    1. It certainly sounds like it. The idea of grown men being asked for ID to buy booze is… odd.

                      Not sure I could get away without Governmental affirmation of my existence if I were entering adulthood now, by the way. But it was sweet seeing how long I could go without asking The Man for some stinkin’ piece of paper

                    2. You’ve got to be 21 or older to buy fireworks. That’s one thing I haven’t yet been carded for. Though I imagine it’s because fireworks have been legal around here for only about a year, and enforcement hasn’t conducted stings on them like they do for booze and tobacco. Yet.

                  2. Unfortunately, the USA isn’t Australia.

                  3. And you’d lose that bet. Australia does not have Social Security cards,

                    So you are an Australian national living in the US? If so, you have a green card which is most certainly an ID.

                    And if your employers hired you without asking for your green card, they were breaking the law.

                    1. I thought IFH was an Australian living in Australia.

    2. Well said!!!!!

      It’s not that the emperor is nekkid…. It’s that so many people were forcefully claiming he was clad in the most awesome finery!

    3. I’m pretty sure he got his masculine and cool rep solely from that one picture with the cigarette hanging out of his mouth.

    4. “If there is any “uncomfortable latency” going on here it is from people like Nick who see latent homosexuality in any ridicule of a less than masculine male”

      I am betting he is just referring to the rather long and at times ugly history of equating equating anything effeminate with homosexuals. It’s not like that wasn’t, and isn’t, ‘a thing.’

      1. Sure. But people were not making fun of pajama boy for being effeminate. They were making fun of him for looking asexual and childish. There is nothing effeminate about drinking hot chocolate and wearing footie pajamas. It is juvenile and childish. If you dresses your 7 year old son like that, no one would accuse you of dressing him like a girl. He would be dressed like a child.

        Was the guy in the ad not particularly masculine? Sure but he wasn’t effeminate either. He was childlike. That is why people make fun of him. People like Nick and apparently you think that because he wasn’t masculine any ridicule of him must have been because he was effeminate. No, no it wasn’t. Nick just assumes that because of is own insecurities and issues I guess.

        1. And isn’t slamming someone as latently homosexual akin to arguing, “Nuh uh, YOU are gay, bwahahaha!”?

          1. I think the ‘uncomfortable latency’ (Nick’s words) referred to ‘something-close-to-or-reminiscient-of-homophobia underlying it’

            1. And, as I say below, isn’t the suggestio that any criticism of something as less than manly is homophobic in itself a form of homophobia? I can’t see how you can make that accustion unless you yourself equate homosexual with effeminate.

        2. Well, I think that some people criticizing him were tapping into the ‘that guy looks like a f*ggot!’ mentality.

          1. Maybe for some. You can’t control what people think. But for me at least and I think for everyone on this board, the problem was he looked like a child. I don’t equate childishness with homosexuality. To me, you would have been making fun of him for being gay if he had been wearing some crazy high fashion men’s outfit or something. I am not even sure what “dressing gay” is these days to be honest.

            1. “I am not even sure what “dressing gay” is these days to be honest.”

              I think there is a consensus on chaps.

              1. I almost mentioned that. But the leather chap, gay cowboy thing is such a cliche that I am not sure it even counts anymore.

              2. Uh, what if you’re wearing them only while riding a 900 pound motorcycle?

            2. He looked like a Momma’s Boy.

              That is, a kid who has been so babied by his Momma that he continues to be her precious little boy even though he is in his late 20’s.

              I think that people like Nick and Bo liken this to homophobic baiting because the archetypes are very similar. Neither is asserting themselves according to the classical male archetype. But that is where the similarity ends. Presumedly a Momma’s Boy does like the other gender, it’s just that Mommy won’t let anyone dirty with [him].

              There are a bunch of archetypes out there for guys who do not fit the mold of the classical Man. Hippsters, Metro-sexuals, etc. And some of those are open to ridicule, especially when they are purporting to be the standard bearer of a message to the entire nation, because they tell that audience what the messenger thinks of them. The problem with Bo and Nick is that they don’t recognize that you can be criticized for being one of these other archetypes, and it isn’t the same as being called gay.

              1. You don’t think the whole ‘metrosexual’ thing has elements of homophobia? Wow.

                1. Did I say that, Bo?

                  I said that being called metro-sexual is not the same as being called gay. In fact, by definition, it is a statement that the person is not gay. And by the way, back when the term was first coined, it was by the metro-sexuals themselves who wanted to embrace the stereotyped qualities of gay men (good manners, fashion sense, cosmopolitan culture), but differentiate themselves as still being interested in the fairer sex. That isn’t homophobic unless pointing out that you like women is somehow homophobic.

      2. Are there dudebro’s out there that are latent homosexuals? Of course. But, like racism and sexual assault, the charge is and has been thrown around so much that it has lost meaning.

        Making fun of girly-men as perfectly natural male peer pressure and not some secret wish to blow a dude in a truckstop is a thing too, you know.

        1. It’s not so much a sign of latent homosexuality as it is a sign of insecurity. It’s like trying to be cool; if it looks you’re specifically making an effort to be cool, it comes off as less cool than if you haven’t bothered. Likewise men who spend too much time worrying about how manly things are end up coming across as weak and pathetic for it.

          1. That is true. But I don’t think making fun of someone who looks childish and ridiculous is making fun of someone for not being “manly” whatever that is.

            Being an adult and a serious person is not the same as “being manly”. I can name any number of very serious scientists and thinkers who are hardly “manly” by the conventional terms. Yet, I wouldn’t ever make fun of them the way I would pajama boy.

            The pajama boy thing is about immaturity and adults acting and looking like children not masculinity. They could have used a woman in that ad and it would have looked just as stupid.

            1. I’m not defending pajama boy, who was pathetic. I’m just irked that dude-bros seem to have become the baseline for “manly”, when their endless obsession with macho posturing comes across to me as just as childish in a different way.

              1. I’m just irked that dude-bros seem to have become the baseline for “manly”,

                1) They really haven’t, they’re a joke, a type of hyperbole that is meant to illustrate how not to be manly
                2) Who cares? You don’t have to give a fuck what the baseline is, and you don’t have to agree with it.

              2. ” I’m just irked that dude-bros seem to have become the baseline for “manly””

                I’m pretty sure that hasn’t happened.

    5. I see people still talking about the pajama guy when I visit Drudge-linked comments boards! You people are weird! You must know that… Like, a guy is in pajamas… but you guys are still talking about him as if he’s a major political issue. And the pajama guy is the odd one?

      1. Oh, look. The liar has arrived.

      2. John is correct though that a lot of the derision about him was that he looked so childlike and it fits with the criticism of Obamacare treating 26 year olds as children.

        1. Childlike?

          Here he is riding on the back of Putin’s horse:

          http://thewhitedsepulchre.blog…..-ride.html

          Shit is funny for a reason.

          1. That is some pretty nice photoshopping.

            1. Yeah, who needs cartoonists anymore?

              1. But who will give us our LABELZ?

          2. The one comment is even funnier.

        2. John isn’t correct even when he is.

      3. Pajamas are weird. Period.

      4. And the pajama guy is the odd one?

        Oh just admit it T o n y you like “pajama boy” because his jammies have that flap in the back.

      5. Bo said it best. The problem is that he looked like a child. Again, they could have dressed in him drag and it would have been much less worthy of ridicule. Say what you want about Ru Paul, but he is not child like.

        1. And you’re STILL talking about him! What planet am I on? This is amazing.

          1. People are still talking about him because he symbolizes a pretty big philosophical argument with the administration: that they want to treat adults like children with government as Big Mommy and Daddy.

            1. Yeah that sounds like a very nice after-the-fact rationalization for what I remember was pretty blatant homophobia. It’s just fucking flannel pajamas. Was he supposed to be in stained briefs and a tank top like a real man?

              Oh my god I’m talking about it now.

              1. He needed a ‘wife beater.’

                Or jeans, a cowboy hat, and had to be clearing brush.

              2. Hillary Clinton comes across as more assertive than Obama.

                Maybe that’s why you hardly ever saw them framed in the same shot?

              3. What about pajamas is homoerotic, Tony? Do tell.

                1. You tell me.

                  1. You’re the only one here remotely interested in it. Everyone else agrees that the execrable portrayal of a twenty-something-child befits the treatment of millennials under the ACA. So please, do tell where it is you’re reading cryptic homoerotic undertones from a man-child wearing pajamas.

              4. what I remember was pretty blatant homophobia.

                That says more about your memory than anything else.

              5. Yeah that sounds like a very nice after-the-fact rationalization for what I remember was pretty blatant homophobia.

                Whatever BS you need to feed yourself to make you feel better. The fact is, the comments all revolved around the 26-year-old threshold in Obamacare, his smug face, the hot cocoa and child-like demeanor.

                I still remember one of the best comments about it was “That looks says it all. That smug smirk is what makes them feel like they are better than everyone else. That smug look is what made them think they could pass this law in the first place.”

                Good insights into the subtle points of the marketing campaign that directly tied into the legislation is homophobic to you? That’s what is odd here.

                1. He doesn’t believe it any more than we do. It’s deflection.

              6. for what I remember was pretty blatant homophobia.

                What you remember is always either pretty blatant homophobia or racism. With you it’s ad hominems all the way down.

      6. The fact that you posted on pajama-boy being brought up here again only reveals that you too considerate it embarrassing and incompetent, but you lack the balls to admit it.

        1. I consider it very weird that rightwing Drudge scum are obsessed with it. It’s almost like they’re titillated.

          1. I suppose it’s weird to you because Obumbler is your man and the leader of your movement, and those who disagree with you take great joy in pointing out how completely disconnected he and his administration is from everyday people when he and they use ‘pajama boy’ as a tool for engagement, and mock him relentlessly.

            The left never engages in just things when Team Red is in power, do they, so it’s even weirder, right?

            1. It’s not a nightmare, we have an educated cosmopolitan person in the oval office. Just like all the ones who came before him, even when they were pretending to be “everyday people,” by which you must mean those who ride inner tubes attached to trucks and chaw on things.

              1. It’s not a nightmare, we have an educated cosmopolitan person in the oval office.

                No we don’t Tony. This is the guy who thought Austrians spoke Austrian. This is the guy who didn’t understand that the military would not great the return of a deserter the same way they would a normal POW.

                There is nothing cosmopolitan about Obama. He is probably the most insular and least cosmopolitan President we have ever had. He knows verty little about the world at large and has almost no understanding of the country outside of the very small Prog bubble he has grown up in.

                You tell yourself Obama is Cosmopolitan because it makes you feel good that one of your own is such and by implication so are you. But it is not true. Obama has nothing but academic credentials. He has never done a single thing or had a single moment where he showed himself to be cosmopolitan or anything other than the isolated and narrow minded person he is. Being Cosmopolitan means understanding the world outside of where you live and your social circle. Obama is the complete opposite of that.

                1. +57 states

                2. Being Cosmopolitan means understanding the world outside of where you live and your social circle.

                  Would that be the world outside of Honolulu, Seattle, LA, Jakarta, Boston, New York, Chicaco, or DC?

                  1. Would that be the world outside of Honolulu, Seattle, LA, Jakarta, Boston, New York, Chicaco, or DC?

                    Yes. Those cities are not even 1% of the world. And he lived in Jakarta 40 years ago as a child. There is no evidence he understands the place now.

                    And Obama has very little understanding even the places you list. Just because you spent some time at Harvard doesn’t mean you understand Boston. You think Obama has any idea about the difference between the South Shore and the North End or how different Southie is today versus what it was in the 70s? No way. I bet Obama still thinks Compton is all black (hint it is becoming more and more Hispanic).

                    Again, Obama knows very little about much of anything outside of his direct experience.

                    1. Would that be his direct experience as the globe-trotting leader of the free world?

                      Christ you are an odd duck. It’s like you enjoy digging holes of nonsense you can’t get out of. Whatever floats it man.

                    2. Would that be his direct experience as the globe-trotting leader of the free world?

                      You mean the ones where he takes an office, and an army of security, sycophants and functionaries?

                      Yeah, good one T.

                    3. Well this is the most inane conversation I’ve ever had in my life.

                    4. Tony|6.5.14 @ 11:46AM|#

                      Well this is the most inane conversation I’ve ever had in my life.

                      To you it probably is. But that is not because you are smart Tony. It is because you and the people you normal interact with have such a religious faith in Obama that you could never so much as think about the truth regarding his ignorance let alone talk about it.

                    5. Tony|6.5.14 @ 11:46AM|#

                      Well this is the most inane conversation I’ve ever had in my life.”

                      If you talked to yourself as often as we talk to you, you wouldn’t be able to make that statement.

                    6. Would that be his direct experience as the globe-trotting leader of the free world?

                      Maybe, if Obama were capable of learning anything or changing his world views accordingly.

                      Name one thing that Obama does better today or shows a better grasp of today than he did when he was elected? You can’t name one Tony.

                      Every other President in my life time changed and mellowed while they were in office. Being in office gave them perspective and especially in second terms caused them to reach out and try to be more of a President for the entire country. Not Obama. He is exactly the same today as he was in 08. The experience of being President hasn’t seemed to have taught him anything or affected him in the least.

                      Again, he is the total opposite of what it means to be Cosmopolitan. He just is Tony. The fact that he is insular and appears not to be particularly intelligent says nothing about his political views. Being insular and not particularly intelligent doesn’t preclude you from being right about some things. You don’t do yourself any favors by not understanding that. Just admit the truth Obama’s obvious limitations and understand that that fact says nothing about anything or anyone beyond Obama and perhaps the people who won’t admit the obvious.

                    7. Seriously? You actually think that flying to a location on the most second-most expensive aircraft in the world, being escorted to the most expensive limousine in the world by armed security, and driving to a secure location, while breathing filtered air, to meet with similarly blessed “leaders”, really exposes him to the realities and cultures of the world? Jesus Fucking Christ…

                    8. Compared to whom? All the privileged white guys who preceded him?

              2. I appreciate that you no longer cloak your hatred of people not like you in a mantle of proggie platitudes and lies, Tony.

      7. Re: Tony,

        I see people still talking about the pajama guy when I visit Drudge-linked comments boards!

        Tony and Pajama boy

        sittin’ in a tree

        K I S S I N G!

        With lotsa tongue

        Isn’t it sweet how Tony rides here to the rescue of Pajama boy? I tell you, I hear wedding bells!

    6. I’ve always said Obama got mainly the white nerd DNA.

      But better a white nerd than a fake Crusadin’ Christian Cowboy dry drunk.

      1. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

        1. Nice response Auric but it could really use more CHRISTFAG.

          1. BUSHITLER CHRISTFAG BOOOOOOOOSHPIG!!11!

            1. This made me laugh hysterically.

              I love how Shriek has fallen to become the village idiot who disappears every now and then for a bender, except his bender is an empty medication phial.

      2. “But better a white nerd than a fake Crusadin’ Christian Cowboy dry drunk.”

        It’s still about Bush.

        Still?!

        Aw, what am I saying? With this dude, it’s still about Sarah Palin.

    7. Fucking this.

      Bull. Fucking. SHIT that “you’re gay if you call people gay!!!11” This kind of gradeschool shit from Nick is tiresome.

      It makes one wonder…and not about “conservatives.”

  9. I always find it disturbing when (mostly conservative) commenters fixate on perceived masculinity as a major topic of discussion

    Example? I honestly can’t think of a case of this. Unless Nick’s referring to anonymous website commenters.

    1. Ever read Harvey Mansfield’s book on manliness?

      1. No.

        1. Well, as with everything Mansfield, I wouldn’t recommend it, but he wrote a book on manliness during the W. Bush administration that was well liked in conservative pundit circles.

          For a popular example, Rush talks a lot about ‘feminization’ and manliness.

          1. Ah, that’s true. I have heard Rush harp on that in the past. I have no idea who Harvey Mansfield is, though.

            1. He’s a rather odd, Harvard professor and neocon. You’re not missing much.

    2. Has Gillespie ever been seen publicly in the company of a woman? I’m just asking.

      1. It’s my understanding that “the jacket” is quite the man about town.

    3. I for one love our new era of effeminate man-children.

    4. People (like Nick) who think this is a Conservative phenomenon must not spend much time around Union meetings or any black or hispanic neighborhood.

      1. Overt,

        I would say it is a pretty good guess Nick has not spent much time in any of those places.

      2. “any black or hispanic neighborhood.”

        This!

  10. . . . when a German reporter claimed she watched him curl 32-kilogram, a.k.a. 70-pound, dumbbells? Either that was part of the Hopenchange hype or he’s lost a lot of mass since

    Its all down to how you report the facts – she saw him curl a 32 kg weight, sure. How many times? Lots of people can curl 70 lbs, *once*. You just fail to include in the report a description of how much effort it took and how many reps he did and let the reader *assume* facts that aren’t evident.

    1. Also don’t mention his form. Sure, he “curled” it.

      1. Although, to be honest, cheat curls are legitimate and actually pretty awesome. Especially if you’re using like 150kg like Ricky Bruch here.

        1. I was thinking more of a one-armed back and forth swinging motion than a cheat curl.

  11. So who was the manliest President? T. Roosevelt, Andrew Jackson or Abraham Lincoln (who whipped Genghis Khan in a wrestling match)?

    1. Clinton, for getting his dick sucked on the job. Doesn’t get much more manlier than that.

      1. I’m betting at the very least Ike had some similar experiences.

        1. Jefferson.

          1. George Jefferson was very manly. He ran a dry cleaning business in New York in the 70s so you know he had to deal with the mob.

    2. President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.

      1. Brought to you by Carl’s Jr?

        1. He saved us from the great burrito wrapper shortage. Those were dark times.

    3. Abraham Lincoln (who whipped Genghis Khan in a wrestling match)

      What??

      1. Google Savage Curtain.

        1. Google Savage Curtain.

          Should have known.

    4. JFK, no doubt. War survivor and ladies man. Got a piece of Marilyn Monroe.

      1. He was a cripple addicted to pain pills. My compliments to his taste in women, but he never did much that was particularly impressive beyond not lose his head after he got his PT Boat cut in half.

        1. Not too mention he’d the clan would be just another Mic family in MA wihtout daddy’s bootlegging, and then chief stock swindler.

        2. So, what *personal* danger did Lincoln face?

          By any objective measure, Kennedy is more manly than anyone on the list except T Roosevelt.

          1. On what list? Andrew Jackson fought, duels, Indians and won the battle of New Orleans. The guy was a lunatic but I would definitely call him manly.

            1. A soldier at 13 (and his mother and brother died around that time, so he was totally alone), and once killed a guy in a duel while bleeding from a bullet next to his heart.

              Jackson’s manliness is beyond question. As a scumbag slaveowner responsible for the Trail of Tears, his morality is not, but his manliness is

              1. Yeah IFH,

                He was a terrible person. But if there is an afterlife and they ever have a Presidential MMA league, my money would be on Jackson all the way. He was an animal.

            2. And he killed the proto-fed and paid off the national debt.

              1. And caused the worst depression in American history. We just think that the one in the 1930s is bad because people don’t read the history of the one in the 1830s.

                1. Worst depression in American history so far. We’ve still got the 2030’s coming up, and the possibility of Presidents Liz Warren, Michelle Obama and Chelsea Clinton leading us into them.

          2. The Lincoln reference was more of a joke tied to his Star Trek appearance.

            I’m surprised no one else has said Andrew Jackson. That guy was pretty hardcore from what I’ve read.

          3. Uhh, Jackson regularly challenged people to duels (and had the wounds to prove it). We can ignore the scar he got for acting as courier for the Continental army, because he was only a kid at the time.

      2. ‘Jack is no Burt Lancaster. He has a funny body, skinny, with toothpick legs,’ Jackie said

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new…..straw.html

        He bedded those women because he had money and power, not because he was particularly manly.

      3. Jesus.

        Grant, Taylor, Garfield, Jackson, Washington. Kennedy was a shmuck who almost bluffed us into WW3.

    5. George Washington – 20 stories tall, made of radiation.

      He once put the hand of an opponent’s wife in acid.

      He saved children – but not the British children.

      He had – like = 30 goddamn dicks….

      THAT’s a man.

      1. +30

      2. George Washington killed like a thousand Indians with his bare hands.

        George Washington went across an icy river and beat the shit out of some bad-ass Germans–and then he took their cannons away!

        And Washington was so strong, he could skip a silver dollar all the way across the Potomac–have you seen how wide the Potomac is at Mt. Vernon?

        George Washington had like 43 children–and 42 of them were boys!

      3. I’d have to go with Washington. Fighting the French and Indians in the hinterlands, and then keeping an ‘army’ together long enough to wait for the French to join us is as manly as it gets.

        1. Needing the French to join us, on the other hand…

          1. To be fair, we were facing one of the most powerful nations on the planet and in history, and the French back then weren’t the French of Spring 1940.

            1. The French always were and always will be the French of Spring 1940. It stretched back through history, retroactively turning them all into cheese eating surrender monkeys.

        2. I would go with him too. For all of his virtues, Washington’s one big flaw was that he had absolutely no sense of humor about himself. He really was a bit like the American Eagle character in the old Muppet show. There is a great story about him meeting the French Admiral Hector comte d’Estaing. D’Estaing was six feet six and one of the few people on earth taller than Washington. On meeting Washington d’Estaing greeted him by saying “Bon Jour mon petite General” or “hello my little general”. Before they could stop themselves Washington’s staff burst out laughing. Washington was very unamused and glared creating one of the most uncomfortable moments of silence in American history.

      4. George Washington – 20 stories tall, made of radiation.

        He once put the hand of an opponent’s wife in acid.

        He saved children – but not the British children.

        He had – like = 30 goddamn dicks….

        THAT’s a man.

        “He’s got a pocket full of horses, fucks the shit out of bears. He threw a knife into heaven and he killed with a stare.”

        1. +1 killed his sensei in a duel and he never said why.

    6. Washington was considered the best horseman of his age. He also was six feet four, which was huge for the time, and had been a surveyor on the frontier when he was young. He is near the top of the list I think.

      A good number of the late 19th Century Presidents saw combat in the Civil War. Seeing combat in that war validates your man card in ways that no amount of Roosevelt big game hunting ever could.

      As far as the last 100 years, I would vote Eisenhower. He was a football star at West Point and a general. The Brits like to slam him as being weak, but that is just because he was smart enough to kiss their ass and not tell them the truth about what junior partners they were. If you read very much about him, he was a very fearsome person when he wanted to be for all of his understatement. He caught Joseph McCarthy alone when McCarthy was in the midst of accusing General Marshall of being a communist. No one knows exactly what was said, but McCarthy apparently left the room literally in tears.

      1. SNL ruined his image, but Gerald Ford played a mean game of football as well from what I have read.

        1. Ford was the only real elite athlete ever to be President, though who knows if the guys in the 18th and 19th Century might have been had there been college sports back then. He was an all American at Michigan in the 30s. He was the real deal and anything but clumsy.

        1. That was walk in the park compared to the Civil War.

    7. Washington.

      Hands down. No contest.

    8. Andrew Jackson.

  12. or Mr. Creosote-style vomiting (god, wouldn’t that be AWESOME?).

    I was a freshman in college, reading the news on the college radio station, the morning that happened. Around 6:40 AM the AP wire started going nuts with updates. Fun stuff.

    Damn, that AP newswire machine was fucking loud, too.

  13. He’s had a string of really awful micro-fuckups and mini-scandals of late and he’s already a lame duck long before his last two years in office kick in. If Obama is feeling vulnerable to charges that he’s not the he-man he once was, well, that might lead him to overreact in ways that could be really bad for the U.S. and whatever unfortunate countries he decides to bomb RESIGN.

  14. “Will Secret Obama Workout Tape Lead to Impeachment?”

    It depends on who he’s listening to on his iPod while he’s…doing that. If it’s Miley Cyrus, or something lame, he’s toast.

    In all seriousness, you really can’t get a critical mass of guys to follow you unless you express some kind of masculinity. Civilization is recorded in the changing nuances of 6,000 years of hero epics–and what’s a hero epic without a hero?

    You know this stuff, Nick, weren’t you a literature guy?

    Oh, and we’ve seen these kinds of dork-ass, wimp revelations about Obama before.

    http://www.thedailyrash.com/ny…..gone-wild/

    I look at the photo in that link, and I see a 4th grader that’s just begging to have his lunch money taken away.

    1. When you’ve lost Ken Schultz….

  15. As with the pajama boy reactions, there’s a certain amount of uncomfortable…latency that bleeds through such commentary.

    1) Check your gaydar privilege, Nick
    2) Pajama Boy was completely, utterly ridiculous, and merited every vicious comment he engendered. As does the awkward, mom-jean-wearing, girl-throwing-a-baseball, lifting-my-mom’s-weights POTUS.

    I’m with John on this one, and grow weary of the “Revenge of The Last-Picked-in-Little-League” ones. Like you and Obo, apparently.

    The man looks like an idiot when he throws a baseball, rides a bike and (now) lifts my wife’s weights. Yeah, even all us mega-jock, former cross country runners* think that’s funny. Everyone laughs at a poseur….except the poseurs…

    But – yeah – we’re all secret gaywads cuz LATENCY! I believe the latency is inherent in those who see latency anywhere.

    Now I’ll lighten up, Francis. You, too, please.

    * ya se what I did there!

    1. The man looks like an idiot when he throws a baseball, rides a bike and (now) lifts my wife’s weights.

      Or talking about his “favorite” player from his “favorite” baseball team.

      1. heh!

        Me – Willie horton, 1968 Tigers, World Series winner. “Hit the ball, Willie!” I was 6 when they won – we listened to all the games on the radio.

        He’s still around – he appeared at an event my church was tied in to. What a cool dude!

        1. Too bad he later got in all that trouble in Massachusetts.

        2. Mine is either Pedro on the Expos (fuck DC) or Wakefield on the Sox.

        3. Nolan Ryan. Went to my high school, played for my hometown team, came fishing on my parents’ lake and signed baseballs for my brother and me and asked us what we fished with there, and actually took our advice. He was a really nice guy.

          1. And he beat the crap out of Robin Ventura even though Ventura was younger and bigger. Ryan is just fucking awesome.

            1. He is. This was the summer of ’94, which was less than a year after the Ventura beating, so we were fairly intimidated as 11 year olds talking to this tall, famous beatdown artist. But he was great, pulled a Sharpie out of his tackle box and asked if we wanted anything signed, and his son came in later and did an episode of “Fishing Texas” on the lake. Nicest celebrity I’ve met other than Mack Brown.

              1. So you’re in Alvin ?

                I live in Webster on the water.

                What a weird thing it is (to me) to randomly run into someone on the interwebs that only lives a few miles away.

                I loved watching Ryan calmly waiting while Ventura charged the mound, threw his glove in Ventura’s face to disorient him, put him in a headlock, and then punching him repeatedly.

                1. I live in Lakewood, CO now, but I grew up (and my parents still live) in Manvel. I was born at the hospital in Webster.

    2. girl-throwing-a-baseball

      Like this?

      1. OK, I clicked on that. I love that.

        I had to watch the Lumosity ad before seeing the awesome chick, and noticed it was narrated by pajama boy.

    3. IN fairness on the baseball thing, Carl Lewis was one of the greatest athletes of the 20th Century and he made what is widely considered to be the worst celebrity first pitch of all time. For some reason, some people just can’t throw a baseball.

  16. I used to think a seemingly unending stream of fuck-ups on the part of a plainly incompetent President would eventually rouse the interest of the American people.

    I gave up.

  17. “You’re STILL talking about him!”

    Only because Nick brought him up, dimwit. No one was talking about him till Latent Nick got his man-boy freak on and brought it up….

  18. Seriously. Consider for example the Campaigner-in-Chief’s remarks regarding medical marijuana in 2009 or so, compared with the obvious utter disdain for his expressed wishes on the part of his “subordinates” in the DEA and DoJ, and his abject refusal to exert any sort of managerial authority and discipline.

    WHY THE FUCK IS THIS BUFFOON STILL IN OFFICE?

    We’re fucked. That’s why.

    1. We are doomed. I don’t think his cabinet or staff pay any attention to him. Do you think Holder gives a fuck what Obama thinks about medical marijuana?

  19. Bo and Tony, at the same time.

    SCOLDAPOCALYPSE.

    Get a room.

    1. Scoldapocalypse? This from a guy frowns on the threading system itself? Priceless.

      1. This from a guy frowns on the threading system itself?

        Wow, what a desperate and pathetic attempt at a gotcha.

  20. The video is excruciating. The most embarrassing part is the grimace he makes when he’s doing his mom-workout walking lunge-curl nonsense with the tiny dumbbells. Working hard, brah.

    1. At least all the moms and geriatrics at my gym can rejoice knowing they too can lift like the President.

      1. What kills me about this shit is the people who do it aren’t training and they know it. They barely even work up a sweat. It’s like a ritual dance done in prayer to the gods of fitness to beseech them to stave off the demons of coronary heart disease. It’s bizarre.

        1. Two words. Aqua Aerobics.

        2. I laughed so hard I almost upchuckled.

    2. That shit-eating grin of his is apparently appropriate in all situations.

    3. I hate lunges. They seem to be the big thing these days. They never do me any good. They just hurt and make you look ridiculous.

      1. I’ve found them really useful for hiking.

      2. Lunges are OK when you’re doing them Siberia with a log on your shoulders, or in wrestling practice holding a partner in a fireman’s carry. Otherwise, what’s the point?

        1. To allow a gentle breeze to cool your genitalia?

          1. Ah – someone ELSE who’s worn a kilt….you understand.

            WAIT! You’re not a man, man! Way to empathize, ifh 🙂

      3. I hate them as well, which is why I know I should probably do them.

        1. That is probably true.

      4. “I hate lunges. They seem to be the big thing these days. They never do me any good. They just hurt and make you look ridiculous.”

        This.

      5. I like them but they are exhausting and require close attention to form, especially when you have dumbbells on your shoulders.

  21. What in the hell can possibly be wrong with mocking the effeminate?

    Straight guy being effeminate? Mockable.
    Gay guy being effeminate? Mockable.
    Straight woman being effeminate? Mockable.
    Lesbian being effeminate? Mockable.

    If we are going to be judged by the dictates of gender theory, then it should be applied in total.

    Effeminacy is not innate, according to gender theory, and it must therefore be an adopted or performed set of behaviors.

    I can make fun of anyone for their behavior. It’s my right as a goddamn American.

      1. I hate meatheads as well.

        1. Sure you do. That’s why you can’t stop buying all those 8×10 glossies of me in my posing trunks.

          1. I don’t pay for them, Epi buys them up and keeps mailing them to me.

            I will note that you never sell him any pictures of you in your pajamas.

      2. You just call him that because you are a mouth breathing latent homosexual top Warty.

        1. Latent???

          1. I guess your twinks finally went public.

  22. The worst sports-related rumor about Obama is that he is a chucker when he plays basketball. And it is a very believable rumor. Checkers are the fucking worst.

    1. Also auto-correct.

    2. That would fit his profile. When his old friends in the Choom Gang finally went public, they said he was known as the worst sort of joint moocher who would swoop in and take joints out of people’s hands and take a hit before they could. That in the stoner world, is the same thing as being a chucker in the rec basketball world.

    3. They are. And not much you can do about it when you’re on his team, given he’s, you know, the president.

      There’s that one video of him shooting and missing something like 20 times in a row. I don’t care how bad of a shooter you are, it’s very difficult to miss 20 shots in a row from 15 feet.

  23. Out of curiosity, do any of you use Fitocracy?

  24. Also, Pajama Boy? Pajama Boy isn’t gay–Pajama Boy wishes he was manly enough to to have sex with another guy.

    Pajama Boy loves only his mother, because she breastfed him until he was 26.

    1. “Pajama Boy loves only his mother, because she breastfed him until he was 26.”

      Hah!

    2. ^^THIS^^

      Pajama Boy is asexual. Being gay is not being asexual.

      1. I’m now convinced antisemitism has more to do with this than homophobia.

        1. Right because everyone knows that stereotype about how Jewish boys are breastfed until they are- wait wat?!

        2. You’re insane.

          1. Leave Tony alone. He has to jump between ad hominems, it’s all he’s got. What else is he going to do, reflect on the various catastrophes directly caused by his failing ideology?

            1. They give him a list of talking points and arguments and how to respond to various ones. He just picked the next one down on the list.

          2. The insane ones are the people who think that because how a kid looks in an ad matters a single fucking dust speck to anything in the fucking universe.

            1. Tony|6.5.14 @ 2:22PM|#

              The insane ones are the people who think that because how a kid looks in an ad matters a single fucking dust speck to anything in the fucking universe.
              reply to this”

              It’s not the way the kid looks that matters, Dufus.

              It’s that the kid that looks that way was chosen by your team to appeal to people to get them to go against their best interests and sign up for Obamacare.

              I suspect you know that though and that is the reason for your attempt at deflection.

              1. So what you’re saying is you’re insane.

  25. Lunges? Bah. Step-ups (that’s what I call them) onto an 18″ high bench; with dumbbells, if you choose. Builds leg strength and makes your heart go pitty-pat. Also excellent for the ass, if any of the ladies are listening.

    That’s what I should be doing right now.

  26. At least I’m sure I can beat the president in arm wrestling.

    1. I’m fairly sure the First Lady can beat the president in arm wrestling.

  27. What in the hell can possibly be wrong with mocking the effeminate?

    It’s a damn good thing you already have a college degree. You’d have to learn a trade, these days.

  28. There sure is a lot of talk about working out here. I have some dumbbells. I use them for boat anchors.

    Throw your fucking dumbbells away and buy an axe, a shovel, a chainsaw. Get some woodworking tools. A welder.

    Stop running around in circles and accomplish something.

    1. You think we all have that kind of free time? I’m locked in a cage called a cubicle. The saving grace is that sometimes I’m allowed to go to the gym that is just three flights of stairs away from the cage.

      1. For all of his evangelical stuff, that is the one thing the old man on Duck Dynasty gets right; we are fucking crazy to live the way we do locked in an office and a suburb all of our lives. We don’t have a choice but it is still crazy.

      2. If it’s time you are limited on, I’ve had awesome success with the Stronglifts 5×5 approach.

        http://stronglifts.com/5×5/

        There is an intermediate one that I do that varies the weights on each set (the other uses the same weight for each of the sets, and you do 5 sets of deadlifts instead of just one). It may not seem like it’s that hard, but it wears you out quickly.

        The other benefit is that it doesn’t take much time. My gym is 10 minutes from my work, and I can get there, workout, and get back during my hour long lunch break.

        1. He was saying that going to a gym instead of doing a full day’s labor saves time.

          1. I see that now. I was just alluding to the fact that not all of us are blessed with land and work areas that allow us to do something fun that also happens to be a decent workout like Suthen. Waffles did say that he is occasionally allowed to head out to the gym, so I was just offering up a program that only takes about 2 hours/week to get decent results.

            I work in an office, too, so I have to force the workouts. They don’t come just from me performing my job.

        2. Looks good, like really good. Thanks. I’m trying to escape the cube, it’s a lifetime goal.

      3. I am just pulling your chain waffles.

        I was sorta alluding to what John says below you.

        I would blow my brains out if I had to live in a cubicle. It makes it hard to breath just thinking about it.

        1. This is exactly why a friend of mine switched from mechanical engineering to an agricultural degree in college. He was under the impression that he’d get to spend his days outside blowing stuff up. As soon as he learned that he would have to sit behind a desk, he went to the counselor and switched majors.

    2. I have known some pretty fat welders in my day. I have heard that more people are taking up old time black smithing. People build their own forges and melt metal and build shit. That sounds really intriguing to me. Sadly, for those of us stuck in cities, doing those sorts of things tends to piss off the neighbors. Hell, I would settle for a good garage to work on my car. Right now I don’t even have a good driveway to do that let alone a real garage. The older I get, the more I hate the city.

      1. Having a backyard forge is awesome. I was going.to build one but got.more.interested.in more.modern methods.of.metalworking so I bought a lathe.and.mill.and associated machinery. It’s a lot of fun.

    3. I swim for general conditioning. Outside of that, I’m too impatient to workout. I’d rather pour concrete.

      1. If you have the skill to do it, swimming is the best conditioning there is. Works your entire body without any impact.

    4. Congratulations?

    5. You’re full of shit. Woodworking and welding take hardly any physical effort, just time, and when I was a construction laborer most of us would get off work and go straight to the YMCA to lift for an hour before we went home, because lifting weights in a controlled manner helps you build and maintain the strength and endurance you need to be able to do that job. The guys who didn’t were mostly tubs and couldn’t do half the work the rest of us did and either got hurt, run off the job or just stopped showing up. Even if you’re in one of the professions you imagine “real men” doing, spending time in the gym helps.

  29. “I always find it disturbing when (mostly conservative) commenters fixate on perceived masculinity as a major topic of discussion (this is not what Allahpundit is doing here). As with the pajama boy reactions, there’s a certain amount of uncomfortable…latency that bleeds through such commentary.”

    While I don’t think Obama’s main problem is lack of masculinity, I think hypothetically it would be only human to have that expectation for his position. Don’t we want the president to have the characteristics commonly associated with masculinity, like strength and courage? Also, I highly doubt that straight males have a monopoly on it.

    1. No. They do not. And really, isn’t it a pretty big insult to homosexuals to assume that any ridicule relating to weakness must secretly be really related to them being gay? Doesn’t that assume gay must necessarily mean weak and effeminate?

      I think Nick is the one who has some thinking and sorting out to do regarding his views of masculinity and homosexuality, not the people making fun of Pajama Boy.

      1. Of the gay men I have known, probably greater than 75% have been masculine, not effeminate, in behavior and appearance. Granted, my social and professional circles tend to be oriented around pursuits generally considered more “masculine” in nature (industrial professions, shooting as a hobby, etc.), but even my more “artistic” gay friends (musicians, mostly) have been on the masculine side.

        1. I have had the same experience. There are certainly some really effeminate gay men. But I don’t find them to be the majority of gay men. And there are effeminate straight men.

          There have been plenty of very masculine gay men. Rock Hudson was pretty masculine wasn’t he? Signfried Sasson should have won the Victoria Cross in the trenches of World War I and he was gay.

          1. I always hear about these effeminate straight men but all the ones I’ve known eventually became gay gay gay.

    2. Also, I highly doubt that straight males have a monopoly on it.

      +69 Tom of Finland

    3. What is so good about masculinity? What good has it ever done really? Won the wars that it started? Defended the weak from itself?

  30. I am just going to leave this here and let it speak for itself.

    http://judotalk.com/photo/bara…..ntext=user

    1. ha. “Michelle, save me!”

  31. “…there’s a certain amount of uncomfortable…latency that bleeds through such commentary.”

    Maybe it’s me, but this sort of defense seems more dismissive of gays than the actual commentary. In effect, it assumes that any attack on a person’s manliness equates to an assumption of homosexuality. But, doesn’t that in and of itself assume that homosexuality is inherently inocompatible with manliness?

  32. this has got to be one of the slimiest articles i’ve seen on reason. “free minds”. no, i don’t think so…..

  33. actually as a leader for this country i would take a strong mind over a strong arm any day.

    having lots of muscle does not mean intelligence. lots of times it means the opposite!

    1. *i would take a strong mind over a strong arm any day*

      Current POTUS has neither, so you must be awfully disappointed/unfulfilled.

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