Tonight on The Independents: Jacob Sullum on the I.V. Massacre, Thaddeus McCotter on Afghanistan, I.J.'s Robert McNamara on Eminent Domain Abuse, Kmele Foster on Reparations, Plus Sexy After-Show!

Tonight's episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, repeats three hours later) will lead with some debate on a subject that makes my heart sink: sick-bastard Elliot Rodger's murder of six people in Isla Vista, California, the congenial beachside slum I called home for three years a long time ago. Joining to discuss the gun-control aspects of the story is none other than beloved Reason Senior Editor Jacob Sullum, whose column tomorrow on the subject is a must-read for those who prefer concrete discussion about gun policy over belligerent assertions about the National Rifle Association's culpability. Also on hand to work through this latest mass killing are conservative commentator Kayleigh McEnany and former GOP presidential hope-beyond-hopeful Thaddeus McCotter.

McCotter is then back for a solo spot talking about two strands of news from Afghanistan: President Barack Obama's announcement that the 13+-year Afghan war is coming to a close despite the continuing presence of U.S. troops, and the White House's outing of a CIA station chief there. Later in the show McEnany is back with comedian Dan St. Germain to talk about Glenn Greenwald's latest bombshell threat and Chuck Schumer's recent brainfarts about jacking up the War on Heroin and cracking down on booze-slushies. Institute for Justice Senior Attorney Robert McNamara will talk about the outrageous case of Atlantic City seeking to seize a private home in order to maybe someday benefit a local casino. And our own Kmele Foster will share his thoughts on that extraordinarily long Atlantic cover story, "The Case for Reparations."

Will there be an after-show? Does the Pope talk about the Satanic Mass? Begins on foxbusiness.com/independents just when Lou Dobbs fills your screen. Follow The Independents on Facebook at facebook.com/IndependentsFBN, follow on Twitter @ independentsFBN, please do tweet promiscuously during the show, and click on this page for more video of past segments.

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[Fist of Etiquette]

Wake me when you have the next call-in aftershow. I need to get in on that.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

"a must-read for those who prefer concrete discussion about gun policy over belligerent assertions about the National Rifle Association's culpability."

I don't know about you guys, but when I get into a traffic accident, I blame AAA.

[Brett L]

What does the National Cutlery Association have to say for its part in the debacle?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

You can take my Wusthofs from my cold, dead hands. Particularly my santoku.

[Brett L]

Agreed, I never knew what I was missing until I got one. Now I try to use my parents' cheap ass set every so often and just get angry. I don't want to beat the food apart with some dull ass blade, I want to slice it! Preferably without sharpening it between every tomato.

[jesse.in.mb]

So if you die, I have an open invitation to swing by and kype them?

*Makes note in file. Pauses thoughtfully with covetousness in eyes. Puts file back in cabinet*

[Episiarch]

Wusthof? You fucking piker. Henckels uber alles!

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Henckels have never sent me to the hospital. Wusthofs have.

[Episiarch]

That sounds a lot more like your fault than Henckels or Wusthof.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Made the same mistake with both. Only 1 had the edge to make it to the bone.

[Old Man With Candy]

Once I used Shun, I never went back.

[Old Man With Candy]

Let me know if they run a show with kennedy in a ball gag. That's the only way i could get through it.

[Derpetologist]

Go on...

[Bobarian]

Make something up!

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I thought this was going somewhere wonderful, but no.

[Old Man With Candy]

Pity that, but there's time and no shortage of perverts here.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Ok, its not time to go all gun-ban paranoid. No one is going to ban guns anytime. I know you Peanuts enjoy some good fake outrage like the progs do but it ain't gonna happen.

[Smilin' Joe Fission]

Well not that you have assured me I can finally rest easy, Shreek.

[Hyperion]

fake outrage like the progs do

You feel fake outraged? No, tell me it's not true.

Do you have your Hillary posters yet?

[Palin's Buttplug]

I'm hoping for a Brian Schweitzer v Rand Paul matchup. Seriously - I would like either one.

Worst nightmare is Hil-Dog v Huck or Jeb.

Uugghhh.

[Some call me Tim?]

Schweitzer? I fail to see the appeal for libertarians...

http://www.ontheissues.org/Brian_Schweitzer.htm

[Francisco d'Anconia]

There is none. He's a red state democrat. He's good on guns because he has to be. He's no Pelosi, but he's no libertarian.

[Derpetologist]

The august Al Sharpton weighs in on knife control:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nssQETWpf10

Trigger warning: extreme derp

[Hyperion]

What, no hammer control? Why does Sharpton hate the children?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

hammer don't hurt us

[Pathogen]

Except for.. when they do...

[SIV]

Ask McCotter what he thinks about Conyers getting a judge to put him on the ballot.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

http://priceonomics.com/the-wo.....dium=email

So, Sevo. Ever eat there?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Eat there? I think he worked there.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Sevo unleashing on progs as he dumped chow mein on their heads. I would have paid top Canadian dollars to see that.

[Smilin' Joe Fission]

Monopoly money is not legal tender, Rufus.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Canadian Tire money?

[Smilin' Joe Fission]

I'd take that.

[Isaac Bartram]

I remember hearing a story about a Canadian guy who got mugged in Acapulco in the late sixties/early seventies. He tried to hand over his Canadian dollars but the thief just threw them back, grabbed his wallet and took all his Canadian Tire money and walked away satisfied.

It was one of those "this happened to the cousin of I guy I met" so I'm sure it's apocryphal. But it sounds good.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Funny story. But what would he do with the fake money unless CT operates in Mex.

[Hyperion]

This place was there for 100 years and no one, even once, mopped the floor with Hop Sing's pig tail? SF has been doomed from the start, there's estrogen in the water supply or something.

[Brandon]

You condone going into a man's business and assaulting him for not being servile enough? That's your definition of masculinity? You're a feminist caricature.

[Hyperion]

Umm, throwing bowls of soup onto customers laps and laughing? Insulting paying customers because you think it's funny?

Yeah, right, taking shit like that and thinking it's funny is really masculine.

[PapayaSF]

I'd heard of him, but he was before my time here.

[The Bearded Hobbit]

Longnecker's, Omaha, 1985. Pretty girl comes by the table.

"Need anything?"

"Nope, thanks!"

"OK, fuck you, then"

Never figured that one out.

... Hobbit

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Really? You didn't figure that out? You really missed out.

[Hollywood]

*checks sundial*

It's nearly time.

*paints self blue, sacrifices ox*

[Smilin' Joe Fission]

June 12th is the provincial election here in Ontario, Canada. I was home on the (Canadian) memorial day weekend seeing the folks and noticed that there is a Libertarian party running in my hometown county. Saw one of the picket signs getting off the highway.

Not much about the candidate on the libertarian party bio page though.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Very hard to get info. on libertarian candidates here. It's no-man's land. Libertarians are still an obscurity in these parts. Imagine that. Socialists have a bigger voice and political foot print.

[Smilin' Joe Fission]

The general party principles sound good but I'd like a little more on the actual candidates thoughts, personally.

[Palin's Buttplug]

You'd think with your fucking single payer health system libertarians would be common as hockey pucks.

[Hyperion]

Which right winger or Christian Tealiban leader molested your arse today? Tell us how you enjoyed it, we know you want to.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Do you remember what happened last time you (and I) did this? He went all libelous and got deleted.

Oh, never mind. Carry on.

[Hyperion]

Butthead went libelous. I did exactly what I am doing now, baiting the troll. He's asking for it, as usual. If he gets permanently deleted, I for one, will not be sad.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Like I said, carry on.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Prediction: Dreamcatchers.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Well, I didn't say they would be on her ears.

[Hollywood]

#kennedyisnotwearinganyearingstonight

[Episiarch]

Instead of earrings, she wears an earring necklace.

[Bobarian]

Her holes must be inflamed.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Santorum got in them.

[Bobarian]

That got a lot more perverted, a lot more quickly than I would have guessed.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Kennedy opened the door to that herself with a joke she made when Santorum was on.

[SIV]

I got the spinning ball rather than a live stream 🙁

[Smilin' Joe Fission]

No, its streaming properly.

[SIV]

From where?

[SIV]

OK I've got audio

[Smilin' Joe Fission]

forgot the /sarc tag

[Fist of Etiquette]

Now that's the attire I want to see on my Fox Business Network's co-hosts.

[BigT]

Kmele is Dwayne Wade's doppelg?nger

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Racist.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

What's to piece together? We can't even defend women against abusive husbands/boyfriends.

[Episiarch]

What sent him over the edge was the fact that he was a nutcase.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

What are her thoughts on 'Animal House?'

Cunt.

[Cytotoxic]

I had called time on the TP at the national level and I think I was right to do so, but it seems to be not only alive in Texas but possibly on the road to eclipse the state GOP.

http://www.reuters.com/article.....CP20140527

In the race for Lieutenant Governor, Tea Party favorite State Senator Dan Patrick took 41.5 percent of the vote in the four-candidate March primary, and is favored to win on Tuesday. The three-term incumbent, David Dewhurst, finished with 28 percent.

The run-off race for state attorney general features a similar showdown, after Tea Party-backed State Senator Ken Paxton took 44 percent of the primary vote and State Representative Dan Branch won 34 percent.

The only TP candidate that lost was for a GOP congressional seat, but the 91-year old 18-term incumbent is endorsed by Ron Paul anyway.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Would it make her feel better if it was Steel Magnolias that sent him over the edge?

[jesse.in.mb]

Ah remember when being gay was a mental illness, and now it's not?

It's almost like they can add and take away behaviors that are merely unpopular to the list.

[Fr?ulein Nikki]

The DSM is SCIENCE jesse do you want the children all to have ADD or what?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I wouldn't say I suffer from ADD. I rather enjoy it, as do people who drink with me.

[jesse.in.mb]

Tell me, how long have you experienced pronoid delusions?

[jesse.in.mb]

A chicken in every pot and amphetamines in every medicine cabinet!

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

No need for chickens in the pot when you have amphetamines.

[jesse.in.mb]

JUCHE!!!

[Ted S.]

McCotter is then back for a solo spot talking about two strands of news from Afghanistan:

Welcome back, McCotter.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

The Great War On Woman - 1989-

He was a complete nut case.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Women.

[Episiarch]

Why is Lurch guest starring on TI?

[Bobarian]

Who was the cunt after Boxer?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Where is a good place to be an absolute, abject loser?

[Episiarch]

A...a Star Trek convention?

[Fist of Etiquette]

A what trek convention? A star what convention? A star trek what?

[Episiarch]

The Star Wars Trek.

[jesse.in.mb]

Magic the Gathering tourney.

[Fr?ulein Nikki]

They should really just call it a gathering.

[Derpetologist]

A Libertarian Party meeting?

*ducks*

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Hey! We call those brunches!

[Fr?ulein Nikki]

Psst...that sounds a little too Sex & the City.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I get to be the old slutty one.

[Derpetologist]

I would prefer Sex & the Tundra. Basically, the girls get trapped in a cabin and must resort to cannibalism.

[Derpetologist]

I would prefer Sex & the Tundra. Basically, the girls get trapped in a cabin and must resort to cannibalism.

[Brandon]

A PUA website?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Oh yeah. Francisco Says to Assemble

My bad.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Not in time to make a difference he doesn't.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Ozzy and Judas Priest destroyed kids in the 1980s - don't you remember?

[Derpetologist]

Prog hits every square on the gun derp bingo card; featuring such classics as:

1. bazookas! AK-47s!
2. NRA is the shadow govt
3. Gun owners live in fear
4. Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children?
5. Top Men!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaVcabt0ga4

[Bobarian]

So... Maybe Santa Barbra is the problem?

[Episiarch]

Look, if Kmele is going to be reasonable and make sense, he has no business on this damn show.

[Fr?ulein Nikki]

What do you guys think would make tweeting "promiscuous"?

[BiMonSciFiCon]

Tweet at all three TIs at once.

[Fr?ulein Nikki]

Oooooh! I wonder if you can also make them jealous of each other and get on two minutes' hate.

[Episiarch]

How do you make a Dean Wormer joke that isn't funny?

ROBOT HOUSE!!!

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I had no idea Mr. Burns was real.

[Episiarch]

Well, now you do.

AHH JUAN WILLIAMS

[SIV]

Kennedy appeals to authority

[Fist of Etiquette]

No wonder this guy isn't still in government. He's got no answers.

[Derpetologist]

I say the guy was both crazy and evil. Evil because he carefully planned a killing spree. Crazy because he thought a killing spree was a sensible reaction to his problems.

[Hyperion]

Maybe he was triggered. In that case, it's ok, right?

[Smilin' Joe Fission]

Could happen to any of us! If only trigger warning legislation had gotten through in time!

[Lady Bertrum]

Yeah. You can have a mental illness and be a decent human being. You can also have a mental illness and be an evil fucker. They're not mutually exclusive.

[Derpetologist]

And you can be evil and totally sane. I think hitman Richard Kuklinski fits that bill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjTYwZKuyBs

[Bobarian]

I really, really, REALLY, wanted a Deathmobile!

If I had the head of a statue, things would be different.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Newborn babies are problematic.

[jesse.in.mb]

But they bounce so well!

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Is that why you have a burn barrel?

[Fist of Etiquette]

I have it because I like to give back. Give back to the atmosphere.

[Duke]

I also blame the NRA. The National Restaurant Association hurts us all with its Big Eatery agenda.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Oh, Foster is too good to call it Obamacare.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Sullum: Breathe deeply, get fired up.

[Hollywood]

Dollars to donuts, the jacket is on the list.

[Episiarch]

I have satellite radio. What the fuck was that commercial even about?

[Derpetologist]

I've posted this before, but it deserves an encore. Prog calls for nation's scientists to invent alternatives to knives:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNb34vPqrN0

[Duke]

That guy obviously cares about human life a lot since he's referring to gun deaths in various countries as a justification to ban all guns. Which is why I'm sure he also wants abortion banned.

[PapayaSF]

A few years ago there was some talk in the UK about banning long pointy kitchen knives.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

He's wearing an Eagles jersey under the leopard coat. Damn.

[Episiarch]

Wow, Bowie as the bumper? Who is responsible for having some taste?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Sullum knows it's after Memorial Day so he can pull out his beige suit.

[Episiarch]

How much Valium did Jacob take before this episode?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

At least TI gives me/us a chance to see what Reason writers look like.

[Smilin' Joe Fission]

Now if someone would just tell me about the books they have written...

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Are you a looksist?

Don't worry, so am I.

[Derpetologist]

Is Sullum a Victorian strongman in his off hours?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Sullum is totally discounting the value of hindsight!

[jesse.in.mb]

How does one get into quasi-legal adventures in Latin America with Sullum?

[Bobarian]

Hide in his luggage?

[Episiarch]

You have to be a woman who writes romance novels whose sister disappeared down there. Named Joan Wilder. With really, really nice legs.

[jesse.in.mb]

I have nice legs! I wouldn't even have to change my name!

*looks into gender reassignment surgery*

Can I just tuck?

[Hollywood]

+1 buffalo bill

[Episiarch]

Can you respond to a Romancing the Stone reference properly? You're such a disappointment, jesse. You're like the Danny DeVito of commenters.

[jesse.in.mb]

I was a toddler when Romancing the Stone came out. Make fresher references.

[Episiarch]

I don't know how!!! What about a Veronica Mars reference? Is that fresh?

[jesse.in.mb]

I still haven't seen the movie 🙁

[Bobarian]

I get the feeling that Veronica Mars is too gay for Jesse.

[Warty]

*cuts the heels off Jesse's expensive Italian pumps*

Now they're practical.

[Fr?ulein Nikki]

Somehow that may be the most disturbing comment you've ever made.

[Episiarch]

You're going to have to be more clear who you're talking to, nicole. I mean, it could be any of us.

[Fr?ulein Nikki]

Yeah, it was Warty's.

[Warty]

I've never been anybody's best time.

[Fr?ulein Nikki]

What did you do, wake up this morning and say, "Today, I'm going to ruin a chick's life"?

[Warty]

I like your boots.

[Episiarch]

See jesse? THIS IS HOW IT'S DONE.

"Now I ain't cheap, but I can be had."

[Fist of Etiquette]

How about Romancing the Bone or its sequel, Tool of the Nile? (My first exposure as a young lad to clever ripoff porn titles.)

[Bobarian]

So you're saying that Sullum going to develop throat cancer from too much cunnilingus?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Sullum is just like my dad, only with a full head of hair.

[SIV]

Homicidal

[Rufus J. Firefly]

What the heck was that? What was he pissed about?

[Trials and Trippelations]

He was a New Yorker, thus perpetually pissed off

[Lady Bertrum]

"What was he pissed about?"

Not getting the attention due him from attractive blonde women? (see how I'm tying these segments together?)

[Fist of Etiquette]

Don't ask man-on-the-street questions of a guy with a Bluetooth in his ear. He's too important for such nonsense.

[Episiarch]

He just thought Kennedy was a panhandler, and didn't understand why the NYPD hadn't ground her up into hamburger yet.

[Lady Bertrum]

Who is on the list?

Both Koch brothers
Nick's jacket
That guy with the turban who pumps my gas (did I mention I live in NJ?)
Rocco Siffredi

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

+1 Rocco reference.

[The Bearded Hobbit]

Rocky Rocco?

At your cervix?

... Hobbit

[Hollywood]

Assghanistan aka my bedroom

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

There's no sugarcoating it. Afghanistan isn't a perfect place.

[Hollywood]

I was shocked to read about it in the newspaper
/POTUS

[Fist of Etiquette]

What? Thaddeus is over there now? Has a panelist ever made such a switch to guest like this?

[Episiarch]

Lurch is one low key guy.

[Derpetologist]

I've said it before; I'll say it again: the Topical Storm logo was clearly stolen from Gatorade:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.....e_logo.svg

[Derpetologist]

I've said it before; I'll say it again: the Topical Storm logo was clearly stolen from Gatorade:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.....e_logo.svg

[Derpetologist]

As I said.

[Army of the 12 Monkeys]

It's what plants crave !

[Lady Bertrum]

His Afghanistan "surge" was always a boondoggle. He campaigned on it because he didn't want to look weak compared to Hillary's more hawkish position. There was never a legitimate need for it. Isn't neat how he used the lives of thousands of American soldiers and God knows how many Afghanis as a political expediency?

"If you like your Afghan war you can keep your Afghan war." Except we didn't like but got to keep it regardless.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Tulpical Storm!!!!

[Episiarch]

I would never fly in or out of JFK, Bill. LaGuardia only.

[Lady Bertrum]

If it's an international flight you'd have to fly from JFK. LaGuardia is primarily domestic.

[Episiarch]

Not always. I flew in and out of LaGuardia when I went to London last time. When you live on the Upper East Side, you find international flights out of LaGuardia, because it's so vastly more convenient.

[Lady Bertrum]

Is London International? I though we annexed Air Strip One.

[Fr?ulein Nikki]

I would never fly in or out of JFK, Bill. LaGuardia only.

THIS THIS IS THE RULE

[Fist of Etiquette]

So he's got that going for him.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Nothing will top Pittsburgh's tornado kid.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Hobbit.

[The Bearded Hobbit]

What?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I was talking about your big assed Kardashian wife.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Positively Hillaryesque.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Does Kmele own Kanye stock?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I fucking hate this TMZ segment.

[Fist of Etiquette]

That man's at peace with his impotence.

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 27 May 2014

Half-Asian/Half-White Male Privilege-Edition

- Kennedy: Hair: Fluffed out. Earrings: Gone. Dress: Shoulder Straps. New, but Nothing's Shocking, and all is to the good. As usual, we dig the teal. Hot lips could be hotter.

- Matt: The black suit needs to die. We don't even care that the grey shirt has here found a tie that actually works perfectly (finally). Marginal improvement from the sartorial dissonance we're used to is no longer even the issue. Its just gotten old. Let it go, and go buy a freaking blazer, dude. Just...something.

- Kmele: At least we always have Kmele, who here seems to be rocking a slightly different shirt/tie style; point collars, and a lighter-fabric silk tie is different from his more-common button-down oxford and woven-wool jobbies. As always, he puts everything together elegantly with the hanky and increasingly-obscure lapel pins.

Trigger Warning: i'm going to... oh, shit. I already did.

Thank You

[Fist of Etiquette]

If I have something to plug can I be on the show?

[Army of the 12 Monkeys]

Funny thing is, as much as DoI gets plugged by The Jacket and other guests, Welch doesn't tend to draw attention to it. Same with Kennedy and her book. It's so un-O'Reilly-like.

[Episiarch]

No, dude, you're on the fat bearded doofus list.

[Bobarian]

To get on the list?

Answer your phone, log on the internet, be an American?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Comedy album? Good luck with that.

[Derpetologist]

It would probably be easier to list the people the NSA isn't spying on.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ha, they need to do a whole show about this ditz talking whatever dipshittery she's yapping about.

[Episiarch]

So Kaylee is a statiist bootlicker. What a surprise.

[GILMORE]

Quick! EVERYONE TALK AT ONCE!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ha! They are constitutional because she could have lost her life.

[Bobarian]

Out of your gourd? While completely true, Kennedy isn't working her way into a big anchor job.

[GILMORE]

Robot Barbie clearly is just a shill for "makeup that makes you look more like a dead plastic thing"

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Stick Ken's cock in her already and be done with it.

[Episiarch]

Wow, Kennedy is worked up. Oh god please let those two get in a cat fight. Your ratings would soar.

[Derpetologist]

The Bear Patrol saw a bear! We can't get rid of the Bear Patrol!

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Fuck that! Let the bears pay the bear tax!!!

[Derpetologist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M5Bx6u3Xj8

Sorry, couldn't find the actual clip

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

That was as good or better than the original.

[Bobarian]

So they stepped all over the bump-out. Was that Zappa?

[Army of the 12 Monkeys]

I know this is blasphemy, but I actually prefer Dweezil's version.

[GILMORE]

In the amount of time they spend carping incoherently you'd think one of them could put together a complete sentence. (*other than kmele, but even he was breathless with desperation.)

They seemed surprised anyone supports the NSA program, and hadn't actually considered what to say to that theoretical person.

[Episiarch]

Maybe they were caught off guard by the stupidity and bootlickingness of her argument.

[GILMORE]

... possibly.

I thought she was going to giggle and go, "Math is hard!"

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

So has this show been watchable or are all the participants hungover and grumpy?

Although the latter case would probably increase the watchability of the show.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Status report?

[kibby]

We are both very sore & exhausted.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Um...

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

She knows what she said.

[kibby]

Four hours of hiking (much of it uphill) really takes it out of you. What did you think I was talking about, you perv????

[jesse.in.mb]

I hope you took this opportunity for trail sex.

There are commenters in CA who would kill for some decent trail sex right now.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Is that what the cool kids are calling it these days?

[kibby]

Nobody here is cool enough to know the answer to that, sadly.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Yeah at their age when I did it outside it was uphill both ways.

[Bobarian]

In six inches of snow...

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

It's pretty hard to have trail sex on trails so precariously narrow. Some of those trails near the steep drops are lawsuits waiting to happen.

[jesse.in.mb]

It's pretty hard to have trail sex on trails so precariously narrow.

That just upgrades things to "danger trail sex."

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Much of it uphill? I would have guessed almost exactly half of it.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Kibby is going to write a strongly worded letter to everyone who posted a deceptively positive review of the trails we took.

Bloody nightmare towards the end when we ran out of water and had to climb up a ridge to get back to the highway.

[SIV]

Bloody nightmare towards the end when we ran out of water and had to climb up a ridge to get back to the highway.

I get paid to do shit like that.

[jesse.in.mb]

Always bring too much water!

[kibby]

I'm generally excessive on the water, but since it was shady & I didn't expect to climb 213098743892473289704 feet, I underestimated. Mea maxima culpa.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Clark Kent really lost some bulk.

[Episiarch]

The IJ guy looks like a used car salesman. Ask him how much his watch cost.

[GILMORE]

More than your car! Coffee is for closers!

[Episiarch]

Fuck you. That's my name.

[Army of the 12 Monkeys]

I used to be a salesman. It's a tough racket.

[Fist of Etiquette]

OMG, they're not going to have enough to for Keepin' It Kmele.

[GILMORE]

"Casino Reinvestment Development Authority"... in New Jersey.

No, doesn't smell remotely corrupt or mob-related. Perish the thought.

[Lady Bertrum]

It exists because casinos in Jersey are going broke and need subsidies to survive. That's how fucked up Jersey is - A place were you're literally robbed willingly of your money cannot turn a profit.

[GILMORE]

that's so pathetic as to be incomprehensible.

I mean, if you can't trust the mob to work better than government, what can you trust?

[Episiarch]

This Flex Shot commercial is so dumb I think it gave me cancer.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

They sell it in the "As Seen On TV!!!" section of Target. I tried it, and you can't make a boat out of a screen door.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Any cycling fans around here? The 2014 Giro d'Italia has been really exciting.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Kmele.

Smart.

[Fist of Etiquette]

THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR KEEPIN' IT KMELE TO BE FLESHED OUT COMPLETELY! I'm worried.

[Episiarch]

Kmele's commitment to principles confuses and enrages me!

[Bobarian]

Kmele for President.

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Black screen.

[Bobarian]

Racist.

[Army of the 12 Monkeys]

I thought Dobbs had bought-it right before air time or something. Expected to hear "cut to black! CUT TO BLACK!".

[Hollywood]

Time for USA friendly vs Azerbaijan

[GILMORE]

I recall a harper's article called "The Case For Reparations" around 2007

(I read it on an airplane. how I remember)

It was fucking idiotic too, and was quickly dismissed/slaughtered in the subsequent letters section.

I have since not so much as wiped my ass with Harpers', for a variety of reasons, including but not limited to Lewis Lapham claiming George Patton had captured the Bridge @ Remagen. That guy's a fucking dumb schmoo pretending to be the Guru of Lefty Literari. I hope he died and no one noticed.

[Episiarch]

That's what you get for not reading the Utne Reader instead.

[Derpetologist]

This is your brain on Utne Reader:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPZruZOKT5E

[Rich]

Her votes count just as much as yours do.

"Thank you."

[SIV]

The Utne Reader is Harpers for people whose lips move when they read.

[SIV]

Lapham's gone.

I always enjoyed the "I'm a tenured professor making 6 figures but I'm hopelessly in debt because only dirty stupid low class people watch their spending" lament the mag was good for every other year.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I bought a couple of Lapham's Quarterly issues.

[GILMORE]

Ok, maybe it was 2000

http://harpers.org/archive/200.....parations/

[Fist of Etiquette]

So another name for this aftershow segment is "Kayleigh's an Idiot and She Can Prove It".

[GILMORE]

That bitch just claimed "we have to believe in our politicians because, without believing, what do we have?"

And she gets paid by someone? For something involving her brain?

[Derpetologist]

The believer's syllogism:

1. We must believe in something.
2. Politicians are something.
3. Therefore, we must believe in politicians.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Kennedy must please let Foster or Welch deal with her.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

She won't.

[Fist of Etiquette]

For a few blissful seconds she did.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Actually, more than a few seconds.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Terrohorrorism!

[Bobarian]

This is like watching a Texas Cage Death Match on Wrestling at the Chase!

[Fist of Etiquette]

"I believe in the Constitution until I think it gets in the way of what I think should be done to protect me."

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

All of the calls in and out of The Bahamas are recorded. Because terrorism?

[GILMORE]

Because its one of the money laundering capitols of the world, and the NSA isn't just about 'terrorists' - but rather keeping tabs on Anything/Everything that might later be taxable revenues and/or dirt on somebody that needs leaning on.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I was thinking of buying a condo in Nassau. Are you telling me that's a bad idea?

[GILMORE]

No, but the crime levels have gotten not-quite-Jamaica-bad, but bad enough that people get murdered on the street and their condos invaded.

One comment noted = 'the Bahamas are now the Detroit of the Caribbean'

http://www.thenassauguardian.c.....&Itemid=27

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Hmm, got a firewall message.

If that's the case, things seem a little overpriced for a 550 sq ft condo:
http://www.hgchristie.com/prop.....e/NS07564/

[SIV]

Question for the culinary crowd:

What do I do with a bag of dried morels?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Soak them in water and sautee them. Eat as a side dish to an omelet/frittata or steak.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I tend to use olive oil and balsamic or sherry vinegar. Some spices to consider: lemon (juice), oregano, taragon, thyme, sage, garlic, chili. Of course, salt and pepper.

[SIV]

That sounds like the easiest option, thanks.

[Bobarian]

Wild turkey with a creamy morel sauce is the awesome.

You can use chicken breasts if no game bird.

http://www.midwestliving.com/r.....orel-sauce

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Good in soup too!

[SIV]

Only 1/2 oz in that recipe. I'm guessing I have 2 ozs or more.

[Derpetologist]

I propose that just as a test, instead of electing a new National Dad, we go without one for 4 years.

[Fist of Etiquette]

So you can swoop in and grab power for yourself? I think not.

[Derpetologist]

OK, how about only people who have climbed Mt. Everest are allowed to run for the presidency? Gary Johnson now has the edge he needs.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Oh, Foster, you cockeyed optimist.

[Derpetologist]

Hey, if someone is triggered by guns, the phrase "trigger warning" is itself a trigger!

What do I win?

[Fist of Etiquette]

And if you're a Roy Rogers enthusiast?

[Derpetologist]

You get all verklempt.

[Derpetologist]

You get all verklempt.

[Rich]

"My grandmother was raped by a trigger warning!"

[jesse.in.mb]

I just got a campaign call for Kevin Mottus.

Kevin is a Republican Environmental Health Advocate (wait, what?)

His top priorities:

Address Transportation Problem-More Double Level Freeways, More Subways, More Light Rail, More Buses Less Smog by Getting You There Faster

Protect Our Environment-No Off Shore Drilling, No Food GMO's, Improved Consumer Protections for All Products

Minimize Radio Frequency Radiation Exposure from All Wireless Devices and Infrastructure to Protect The Health of Our Children

[Army of the 12 Monkeys]

Minimize Radio Frequency Radiation Exposure from All Wireless Devices and Infrastructure to Protect The Health of Our Children

Yay! Tinfoil hats for everyone!

[Bobarian]

The only kind of republican that can get elected in CA is this kind.

Sounds like Ralph Nader at a younger age.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

How was the show?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Meh.

[AlmightyJB]

So it's getting better then?

[Sevo]

I'm not gonna ask if the commie twit got the treatment.
Are we approaching Oprah? When does Welsh start pimping books?

[Army of the 12 Monkeys]

Tonight was better than most. Even the After-Show was kind of entertaining, if you like to see 3 adults beating on Derptastic Barbie?. Plus Kmele got a bit animated, which is a rare but welcome change.

[Sevo]

Pl?ya Manhattan.|5.27.14 @ 11:17PM|#
"Meh."

I didn't watch, but your story is due some serious exposure:
You access a gov't web site and now you have to take your time to meet with some dance major to get your name off the list?!
There is a USSRian novel on a guy who tried to return the rental pet and couldn't; sounds like we are entirely too close to that.
Email Welsh; if he doesn't pick it up, I'm sure there are others who will.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

My comment was chewed up twice.

Long story short, I'm discussing it with my lawyer (my wife), and evaluating the impact it might have on our careers....

[neoteny]

Europe's Secret Success

[...]

But macroeconomics, as I keep trying to tell people, isn't a morality play, where virtue is always rewarded and vice always punished. On the contrary, severe financial crises and depressions can happen to economies that are fundamentally very strong, like the United States in 1929. The policy mistakes that created the euro crisis ? mainly creating a unified currency without the kind of banking and fiscal union that a single currency demands ? basically had nothing to do with the welfare state, one way or another.

The truth is that European-style welfare states have proved more resilient, more successful at job creation, than is allowed for in America's prevailing economic philosophy.