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Lee County Deputies Tied Suspect to a Chair, Gagged Him, and Pepper-Sprayed Him to Death

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From Fox 13 in Tampa comes the horrifying story of Nick Christie, a 62-year-old Ohio man who was detained by the Lee County Sheriff's Office for being publicly intoxicated. While Christie's wife asked that he be taken to the hospital, Lee County cops decided instead to strip Christie naked, tie him to a chair, cover his face, and then pepper spray him repeatedly, until he died:

The District 21 Medical Examiner ruled his death was a homicide because he had been restrained and sprayed with pepper sprayed by law enforcement officers. But to this day, nobody has ever been charged with a crime, and the Lee County State Attorney cleared the sheriff's office of any wrong doing.

It's been more than two and a half years and his wife still can't accept what happened.

"I was shocked. This was something out of a horror movie," says Joyce Christie. She said her husband was depressed and was showing signs of erratic behavior a few days before leaving for Florida.

She called authorities and pleaded with them to take her husband to a hospital and be given his medications. Instead, he was taken to jail for disorderly intoxication.

Her lawsuit alleges he was pepper sprayed 10 times over a 48-hour period, at times while in a restraint chair.

Monshay Gibbs was a deputy trainee at the jail at the time. In a video deposition, she testified that she thought the way Nick Christie was treated was excessive.

"He had a spit mask on and was naked," she said on the video while under oath. Gibbs testified that Christie pleaded with guards to take off the spit mask because he couldn't breathe.

Link via Radley Balko 

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360 responses to “Lee County Deputies Tied Suspect to a Chair, Gagged Him, and Pepper-Sprayed Him to Death

  1. So the police can reenact Saw, and no crime is charged? Have these guys ever heard of “cruel and unusual punishment?”

    WELCOME TO OHIO, my beloved home state.

    1. Hmm, it appears I was mistaken. This was in Florida, not Ohio. The victim was from Ohio. Still, an Ohio cop killed a mentally disabled man, so my state isn’t absolved completely.

      1. For the love of money [POLIS’ property values] is the root of all evil [POLICe brutality.]

        1. STFU LoneWacko.

          1. make me, libertardian city-Statist

            1. 1) installed chrome
              2) installed reasonable
              3) you have been shut the fuck up

              1. Well done good Sir/Madam. I approve of your excellent h@XX0ring.

        2. Yawn.

        3. Get a life.

        4. He died for his own sins not mine. Christ died for me.

          1. no because of you..1st commandment…”Do not take my name invain”

    2. Punishment is legal penalty for a crime. What happened here wasn’t punishment, it was murder by torture.

      -jcr

      1. Sorry John, you can’t change the text book definition of words. The story is appalling enough without playing the “loaded words” game.

        1. Would you prefer “torture and murder under color of authority”?

          The man died in police custody and the ME ruled it a homicide. Where is the indictment? Which offcial’s head has rolled?

          And where’s dunphy to tell us how horrible it is and how this is the exception not the ruled and that if anyone in his department did this they’d actually go to jail?

        2. Aren’t you clever. That was sarcasm. Nick was murdered.

    3. I like the movie saw. Maybe cop killers will think twice about killing cops.

      1. He wasn’t a cop killer- if he was he would have just been shot and that would have been the end of it.

        He was just some unfortunate drunk guy who for some reason some twisted individuals decided to have a field day with. Really appalling that 2 and a half years later none of the officers involved have been charged with a crime.

  2. There are good cops and bad apples. The bad apples should be in jail. What is truly horrifying is that the State Attorney’s office supports torture and murder by government officials.

    1. America is an open-air Stanford Prison Experiment writ large.

      1. “The world of the Takers is one vast prison, and except for a handful of Leavers scattered across the world, the entire human race is now inside that prison.”

        “Naturally a prison must have a prison industry. It helps to keep the inmates busy. It takes their minds off the boredom and futility of their lives. Our prison industry? Consuming the world.”

        “White male inmates are indeed inmates and not warders. For all their power and privilege?for all that they lord it over everyone else in the prison?not one of them has a key that will unlock the gate. It should be noted that what is crucial to your survival as a race is not the redistribution of power and wealth within the prison but rather the destruction of the prison itself.”

        ~Daniel Quinn
        ISHMAEL
        http://www.ishmael.org/Origins/Ishmael/

        1. So if you hate city-statism so much, why aren’t you out living your dream? And don’t give me that gambol-lockdown crap; there are millions of acres out west where you could go years without seeing anyone. Dozens of people have dissappeared into those wilderness in order to “get back to nature.” So why can’t you leave your mother’s basement and practice what you preach?

          Unless you’re afraid. Afraid that life in the wild isn’t nearly as easy as you make it out to be, and you don’t want to go without your Cheetos and streaming internet porn.

          1. Actually, people have tried to live primitive Non-State lifeways, and they get their kids stolen from them and jailed, Libertard dipshit.

            But that doesn’t address the real issue: why should one have to move for freedom?

            The issue is freedom, right here.

            The issue is that you aren’t for freedom. You’re for restricting the free movement of Non-State peoples with your artificial Land borders of big-Government enforced privation property.

            You’re right in there with Stalin, who slaughtered and tried to City-lize the nomadic herders of Siberia.

            City-Statism is a Trail of Tears.

            1. Why don’t you STFU about city-statism? It’ll NEVER go away unless 95% or more of the world’s population is wiped out.

              1. That’s what he wants.

                1. I think deep down it’s what we all want.

              2. make me, libetardian city-Statist

            2. Do you own any real property? Or even just rent real property? Anyone can just move in, right? I mean, in your world, what is yours belongs to everyone. So guess what, dumbass. I’m moving in and pitching a loaf right on your couch. Because it isn’t really yours. It is ours and since I have just as much claim to it as you, go fuck yourself if you don’t like the smell. And I don’t clean up after myself so get used to it. Fucking moron.

              1. Oh great, the libetard city-statist can’t imagine life before city-statism, even though Non-State humans lived for, oh, 3 million years.

                1. 3 million years? lol.

                2. hey dumbs hit, homo sapiens have existed for about 100 thousand years. you are a fu cling moron.

                  just when i think you’ve said the stupidest thing ever, you just keep fu cling talking.

                  do your mommy a favor and go play in traffic.

            3. You’re a moron and a coward. The kind of “freedom” you’re preaching about only ever existed in the minds of deluded fucksticks like yourself. And for that, we should all be thankful.

              You don’t want freedom. You want abdication from responsibility. Because in a society where every man owns the fruits of his labor (private property), your level of material comfort and safety directly reflects your ability to provide value to others in a voluntary exchange. Private property and voluntary division of labor have made men more free, not less. We are no longer slaves to our base desires. We are free to pursue education in poetry, or physics, or mathematics, or philosophy and try to understand our place in the universe… Or, free to simply do nothing and jerkoff to youporn. Or both.

              So please, take your unlimited choice provided to you as a direct benefit of living in a free society and kindly go fuck yourself. You have zero understanding of what you really want and how horrendous it would be to have even 10% of it in the real world.

              You’re one seriously whacked out Ted Kaczynski asshole and you should be medicated….

              1. Holy crap am I fat.

              2. Wow: Reason posts an example of the Right’s use of unsupervised police force to control citizens (it could be leftists, but in the USA it is the Right today), a person posts a thought provoking exerpt from a book that expands the scale for understanding the human experience and you run back to talking points and extrapolate without evidence each others beliefs and throw in some name calling. (You too Divine Right)

                I love how when folks point out the history of the USA (taking of lands by force for example) Libertarians jump to “in your world, what is yours belongs to everyone” without any basis.

                Sorry, but we do not have a level playing field so “your level of material comfort reflects directly reflects your ability to provide value to others in a voluntary exchange” is false. However, the working poor in the USA have vastly improved lives over many. However there are exepctions: migrant farm workers being one example.

            4. Actually, people have tried to live primitive Non-State lifeways, and they get their kids stolen from them and jailed, Libertard dipshit.

              So why would one jail children for what their parents do, Jason?

              P.S. Learn English, santorum.

              P.P.S. Yawn.

              1. Folks, lets stop bickering with each other and look at the fact that a man was tortured and murdered.

          2. So if we disagree with the way this country is being run, we should all just disappear into the wilderness? Fuck you. I’m sure you and your corporate masters would love it if we did.

          3. Really, they haven’t. I’ve been out west.

    2. There are no good cops. If there were, there would be no bad cops. It simply would not be tolerated. These brutes need to be forced to a higher standard than the general public. They should be charged and, upon conviction, executed at once for inexcusable abuse of the power they have been entrusted with.

      1. This is a very good point you make…they close ranks to protect each other at ALL costs…this is why the system doesn’t work. People are just not evolved enough. Cops used to be called PEACE OFFICERS,,,now it’s LAW ENFORCEMENT…more ominous for sure, but they’ve always been pretty bad – it attracts people with little understanding…a few good ones, perhaps, but they get cynical REAL quick, just as the Idealistic Teachers do after a short time in the Real World. It is the SYSTEM which is so corrupt and Wants us Dumbed Down and Helpless and Hopeless = Easy to CONTROL…and now we’re at END GAME….Americans pointed the Finger at Germans (mostly completely innocent) HOW could they have let this HAPPEN? WHY didn’t they STAND UP to it? Well, ameriKans, now you KNOW – you are doing it yourselves. Congratulations.It’s ok that other populations suffer our bombs, Drones, bully interventions, Tortures, Murders…no prob as long as ameriKans have a TV Dinner or KFC, and can watch AmerKa’s Next Top Model, or the GAME…but when it happens to AMURKANS,,,wow, that’s not so much fun is it… Get ready to Reap what you sow AMURKANS…I would say May God Have Mercy On You AMURKANS,,,but I think there’s Little Chance of That…Karma is a BITCH and she’s back in HEAT!!

        1. And now if it wasn’t so Pathetic – I suppose it would be Mildly Amusing to see how some of you are SO vulgar and Nasty and Disrespectful of other’s opinions…and you think you are Heroic, Manly, Strong, etc. using the Foulest of Language, Derisive and Demeaning…You THINK you are SO SMART,,,that you have WON your argument…with No Facts, No Logic, just NASTINESS and Brutality – now the AMURKAN WAY…I would say SHAME ON YOU but I know you don’t have the DECENCY to Feel Shame, most of you… AmeriKa has some VERY VERY tough lessons to learn,,,and SCHOOL is beginning NOW! Fasten Your Seatbelts AMURKA….Payback is a BITCH….

          1. And do you all REALIZE how WEAK really, your Protestations about this man’s UNLAWFUL MURDER are? You’re still trying to find some LOGIC in this Murder? The ONLY LOGIC is that you are now living in a POLICE STATE where they can MURDER YOU!!! Have you STILL not gotten it? So many of us have been trying to warn you for YEARS…and you thought we were just silly hippy dippy conspiracy nutjobs…I would LOVE to have been Wrong…but sadly was not.And now, here we ARE = The NDAA National Defense Authorization Act has PASSED by the TREASONOUS CONGRESS, was SIGNED by the TREASONOUS President, and you all will get to see what a REAL Police State REALLY feels like…OUCH!!! Better turn up the TV REAL LOUD to drown out the Screams and Cries of the AMURKAN People suffering under this Totalitarian ROGUE NATION, which it NOW is. Again, OUCH…But the TV won’t be nearly enough,,,when will they knock on YOUR door,,,hmmm? Are you maybe getting a little concerned NOW? Hmmm? Most of you who never read real books don’t even know Sinclair Lewis” IT CAN’T HAPPEN HERE – – but guess what…IT HAS HAPPENED HERE!!! Again, OUCH!!!

            1. Nope…not really concerned…too busy laughing at your rambling

              1. Yeah, i guess. But you have to admit he does a really great impression of the Brad Pitt character in 12 Monkeys.

        2. Actually, police officers used to be called police officers and law enforcement officers. The term “peace officers” didn’t come into common usage until the 1960’s.

          More to the point, this is clearly an example of abuse of government power by an individual who should be punished for said abuse and it should serve as a warning that a government with too much power is a threat to individual life and liberty.

      2. Pigs such as these are why they all need to be subjected to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Pigs cannot abide by the law, have the potential for hard labor in FT Leavenworth hanging over their heads. There’s too many sadistic psychos wearing badges. I agree their are no good cops…good cops would do something about the psychopaths they work with.

    3. Good cops? Explain what a good cop is. I think you’ll realize, then, that such a thing does not exist.

      1. You wanted an example of a good cop, here it is.

        http://www.digtriad.com/news/s…..yid=147886

        1. I think his point is that the good things cops might do has nothing to do with the fact that they’re cops. The guy you’re talking about may be a good person, but it has nothing to do with the rason d’etre of police. His being there to save those kids is something any good person may have done, his status as a police officer is coincidental.

      2. Why, when a certain few cops do something shitty, does everyone bash every cop out there? Who are you going to call when someone breaks into your house and steals your shit? The Ghostbusters? No, I think you’ll be calling the cops, won’t you? It’s absolute bullshit that people like you disrespect and criticize the police for being corrupt, brutal assholes, but as soon as you need them, I guarantee you’ll be praising them for the job they do. People like you are nothing but a bunch of two-faced jackoffs. These people take a job in which, every time they step out of their homes to do their jobs, they have the potential of not making it back. I’m not a cop myself but, as an EMT, I work with cops on a regular basis and, save for maybe a very small few, every single officer I have worked with have been very upstanding and polite with the public; nothing like the power-hungry, corrupt Nazis that you people make them out to be.

        1. When the good cops start actually arresting the bad cops, then we can talk. I’m sorry, but it doesn’t take being a criminal to be a bad cop. All it takes is silent assent to the atrocities that are committed by fellow officers to make a bad cop. And based on the lack of accountability policemen demand of their brothers in blue, I’m going to conclude that at least 95% of cops are bad cops.

          Hope that answers your question.

    4. When no charges are brought for murder – that’s not a bad apple. That’s a systemic problem. Everyone is in on it. The real bad apples are the few good cops who try to reject this kind of thing (they are bad apples in the eyes of the system)

    5. If the state D.A. had any cause to arrest for homicide, they would. What’s not to say the perp that died had a previous heart condition. Oh yeah he did, he died. Allow the attornies determine what happened. The truth will come out.

  3. Well maybe if he wasn’t here ILLEGALLY this wouldn’t…oh, wait…

    1. They stripped him naked so he had nothing to hide, therefore nothing to fear.

      1. A naked man has few secrets, a flayed man has none.

  4. “Her lawsuit alleges he was pepper sprayed 10 times over a 48-hour period, at times while in a restraint chair.”

    I can’t imagine why it would be appropriate to pepper spray someone while in a restraint chair.

    1. Perhaps he was resisting the restraints.

      1. STOP RESISTING!!!!

    2. Those restraints don’t grow on trees, and I don’t see why the taxpayers should have to pay for new ones after he wears them out with his wriggling.

    3. Ken, you came out of me.

    4. I can’t imagine why it would be appropriate to pepper spray someone while in a restraint chair.

      If you were a sadistic fuck like the pieces of shit cops in the article, maybe you would.

      1. People get jaded in these jobs, but they’re supposed to be pros. I mean, I’m not a cop, and yet I’ve heard about the Stanford Prison Experiment–surely they have, too? You would need to be pretty damn sadistic to do that to somebody in a restraint chair.

        I’ve seen ’em put people into restraint chairs on TV. It doesn’t look like there’s a whole lot someone can do to fight back.

        I can see how maybe you might have to spray someone once to get him into the chair, but once he’s in the chair? I can’t imagine why it would ever be okay to pepper spray someone once–never mind repeatedly–once he’s already in a restraint chair.

    5. Did you actually TRY to “imagine” why it would have been “appropriate?” My GOODNESS…This is APPROPRIATE BEHAVIOUR in a TOTALITARIAN POLICE STATE? What in GOD’S NAME will it take for you to Realize this? You are in a POLICE STATE, for crissake…Stop IMAGINING, get off your ASSES and DEMAND a return to a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLI!! It’s THAT so hard to Grasp? They say you get the government you DESERVE – Well, if you Deserve this, then perhaps, you should try to make yourselves WORTHY of something BETTER! YES? DEMAND that your country stop INVADING innocent countries and STEALING their RESOURCES,,,yes? How about THAT?If your government is CRIMINAL then perhaps, you had better ORGANIZE to Get them OUT of POWER..Perhaps you had better DEMAND a REAL investigation into the JFK Assassination INSIDE JOB and the OKLAHOMA BOMBING INSIDE JOB, and the UNLAWFUL MURDERS that took place in WACO,Texas,,,the WORLD TRADE CENTER 9/11 INSIDE JOB .. That’s what I said..INSIDE JOB…INSIDE JOB INSIDE JOB…quit being as DUMB as a Bucket of Baseballs..(is the GAME on?)…and be involved with your DEMOCRACY or LOSE IT!!! It’s really gone NOW,,,can you get it back,,,you had better TRY…..

      1. Dude…please get off your conspiracy-theorist soap box, put your tinfoil hat back on, and hide in your closet

        1. Dude…open your sheeple eyes. The pigs are the enemy of the people and are not Americans of any sort. You and those of your ilk always defend the Nazi prison guards till they come for you. You need to decided whose side your on, liberty or tyranny.

  5. Poor guy. That’s what can happen when you go crazy.

    1. Fuck you Esther. This is not what can happen when you go crazy. This is what happens when a murderer murders you.

      1. TRAIL OF TEARS

        1. So if you hate city-statism so much, why aren’t you out living your dream? And don’t give me that gambol-lockdown crap; there are millions of acres out west where you could go years without seeing anyone. Dozens of people have disappeared into those wildernesses in order to “get back to nature.” So why can’t you leave your mother’s basement and practice what you preach?

          Unless you’re afraid. Afraid that life in the wild isn’t nearly as easy as you make it out to be, and you don’t want to go without your Cheetos and streaming internet porn. Afraid that you’d die of exposure because you don’t know the first thing about surviving in the wilderness.

          1. Are you serious? Suggesting that the only answer to the injustices of today is living in the woods without plumbing and electricity, and…anyone else?

            Look up the Unibomber.

            See how people already have thought of that, and how they’ve affected the rest of us.

            Taking yourself out of the picture doesn’t really help when the picture is of an effed up society in the first place.

            1. I see you’re new here. White Indian, aka White Idiot aka. can’t keep a damn handle is a known troll, who talks about nothing other than the evils of the city state and how great hunter-gatherers had it. I’m just doing some counter-trolling.

            2. “…and…anyone else?”

              Non-State societies did not live alone, they lived in bands and tribes.

              The Unibomber did not live in a Non-State sociopolitical typology.

              What a bunch of fucking stupid lies you weave, David.

              Lying isn’t surprising; you’re right in there with Stalin, who hated and brutally City-lized the nomadic herders of Siberia.

          2. Actually, people have tried to live primitive Non-State lifeways, and they get their kids stolen from them and jailed, Libertard dipshit.

            But that doesn’t address the real issue: why should one have to move for freedom?

            The issue is freedom, right here.

            The issue is that you aren’t for freedom. You’re for restricting the free movement of Non-State peoples with your artificial Land borders of big-Government enforced privation property.

            You’re right in there with Stalin, who slaughtered and tried to City-lize the nomadic herders of Siberia.

            City-Statism is a Trail of Tears.

            1. I am very fat.

            2. Are you implying that libertarians would support the Trail of Tears and other forced relocations?

            3. City statism is far fucking superior than federal statism. Good thing libertarians support neither.

  6. un-fucking-believable. Can’t wait to see how the apologists try to spin this one.

  7. am I free to proctor and gambol?

    1. MARX: NO!
      MISES: NO!

      1. So if you hate city-statism so much, why aren’t you out living your dream? And don’t give me that gambol-lockdown crap; there are millions of acres out west where you could go years without seeing anyone. Dozens of people have disappeared into those wildernesses in order to “get back to nature.” So why can’t you leave your mother’s basement and practice what you preach?

        Unless you’re afraid. Afraid that life in the wild isn’t nearly as easy as you make it out to be, and you don’t want to go without your Cheetos and streaming internet porn. Afraid that you’d die of exposure because you don’t know the first thing about surviving in the wilderness.

        1. Wow. Do you have any other cut-and-paste replies in the repertoire, or is this it?

          1. ~The Great Spaghetti Monster

            May you be touched by his noodley appendage.

        2. Actually, people have tried to live primitive Non-State lifeways, and they get their kids stolen from them and jailed, Libertard dipshit.

          But that doesn’t address the real issue: why should one have to move for freedom?

          The issue is freedom, right here.

          The issue is that you aren’t for freedom. You’re for restricting the free movement of Non-State peoples with your artificial Land borders of big-Government enforced privation property.

          You’re right in there with Stalin, who slaughtered and tried to City-lize the nomadic herders of Siberia.

          City-Statism is a Trail of Tears.

          1. Whoa. Sodesky has kids???

  8. This is one of those rare instances where I support the death penalty…for the pigs who did this.

    1. I’ve often thought that the death penalty would be OK if it were specially reserved for government employees who use their power or position to commit crimes.

      1. It’s one thing that China gets right.

  9. Oh, duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunphy. duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunphy….

    Thin Blue Line, Few Bad Apples, Not Experts, etc.

    AND NOTHING ELSE HAPPENED.

    Fuckers.

    1. Oh, dunphy might show up. Of course, he’ll demand that we ask for more details and “due process,” which this guy obviously didn’t get.

      I hope these bastards fry.

      1. Including you.

        Just for being stupid enough to not understand that the POLIS (city-State) always has brutal POLICe.

        That’s just POLItical POLIcy. It’s the way POLI [city-slickers] roll.

        1. Fuck off.

          First of all, if ignorance was a valid reason for frying someone, your as would’ve been turkey bacon years ago, I’m sure..

          Secondly. we’re all here to engage in a discussion about how to end the abuses of police power. Everyone here cares about human liberty; REAL liberty (the kind that carries responsibility for one’s actions).

          You’re just an ignorant dipshit. Normally, I don’t feed the trolls, but your brand of whacko nonsense REALLY pisses me off. I hope you get swallowed by a fucking mountain lion while gamboling in your precious wilderness.

        2. I am extremely fat.

          1. It’s because you’re forced to live in the agricultural city state and eat all that agriculture.

        3. Itching to press [ANNIHILATION] button to nuke the world in the name of STATE — wants to start over.

      2. Dunphy only says that when there are important facts that are unknown. In this case, it’s hard to imagine any facts that could plausibly be unknown at this point that would make this anything but murder.

        Do recall that he initially jumped on you guys’ side on the Occupy Berkeley pepper spraying, and only switched when the longer video came out.

        1. Too bad because his first impression was the right one.

  10. The people that did this need to be tied to chairs and pepper sprayed just as they did to him. Stuff like this is why the police are too dangerous to have the amount of power they have.

    1. I think being locked up for a long long time or executed, as woudl happen to anyone not wearing a uniform who did something like this, would be sufficient.

    2. The people that did this need to be tied to chairs and pepper sprayed just as they did to him. Stuff like this is why the police are too dangerous to have the amount of power they have any fucking power at all.

      FIFY

  11. she testified that she thought the way Nick Christie was treated was excessive

    Excessive?!? EXCESSIVE?!? How about monstrous? Murderous?

    1. Strange how libertarians go all butch and crow how might makes right when it comes to Indians on the Trail of Tears.

      Cruel genocide is the foundation of agricultural city-Statist PRIVATION PROPERTY.

      1. So if you hate city-statism so much, why aren’t you out living your dream? And don’t give me that gambol-lockdown crap; there are millions of acres out west where you could go years without seeing anyone. Dozens of people have disappeared into those wildernesses in order to “get back to nature.” So why can’t you leave your mother’s basement and practice what you preach?

        Unless you’re afraid. Afraid that life in the wild isn’t nearly as easy as you make it out to be, and you don’t want to go without your Cheetos and streaming internet porn. Afraid that you’d die of exposure because you don’t know the first thing about surviving in the wilderness.

        1. Actually, people have tried to live primitive Non-State lifeways, and they get their kids stolen from them and jailed, Libertard dipshit.

          But that doesn’t address the real issue: why should one have to move for freedom?

          The issue is freedom, right here.

          The issue is that you aren’t for freedom. You’re for restricting the free movement of Non-State peoples with your artificial Land borders of big-Government enforced privation property.

          You’re right in there with Stalin, who slaughtered and tried to City-lize the nomadic herders of Siberia.

          City-Statism is a Trail of Tears.

          1. Somehow I doubt you have children, so I don’t think that’d be a problem for you.

            So, answer the question. Why aren’t you out frolicking in the woods, you hypocritical pansy?

            1. Answer my question, city-Statist Libertard:

              Why aren’t you for freedom everywhere, instead of telling freedom advocates to move to remote, uninhabitable places?

              You sound like like a Freeper neo-con with their “love it or leave it” bullshit.

              1. You’re still evading the question. You actually have the ability to go and live out your dream. So, why aren’t you? And the areas I suggest aren’t uninhabitable at all; plenty of native american tribes lived in many of those areas in the past, and it is still quite possible to live in those areas today.

                1. You’re evading the answer.

                  I’ll reiterate.

                  Agricultural city-Statism is totalitarian.

                  If anybody could live a Non-State society lifeway anywhere in North America, the Indians would still be doing it.

                  Soldiers made sure they can’t do it.

                  Law enforcement makes sure nobody can do it nowadays.

                  And, just in case you haven’t got it through your LIBERTARD numb skull, living alone in the woods is NOT a Non-State society lifeway.

                  1. Law enforcement and soldiers can’t to jack if they can’t find you. As I said, many other people have already done it and they had no problem evading forest rangers and the like; there’s simply too much area for someone to get lost in.

                    As for being alone, go out and recruit some like minded people. Surely there are a few others such as yourself that would go frolic in the woods with you.

                    1. “many other people have already done it”

                      Who, Where, and When?

                      In fact, you’re lying.

                      A few people have tried escaping city-Statism, often alone.

                      That is not a Non-State sociopolitial typology of living in a band or a tribe.

                      Also, you’re ignoring that the land base and flora and fauna have been gravely wrecked by your brutal agricultural city-Statism.

                      There’s a reason that the buffalo were nearly hunted to extinction. It wasn’t just the love of money.

                    2. The flora and fauna aren’t so far gone as to not be able to support a small band of hunters and gatherers. Besides, fi the flora and fauna are wrecked, then how are you going to bring back your ideal society, without killing 99% of the world’s population?

                    3. Looks like you can’t answer “who, where, and when.” I told you that you were lying, and you were.

                      You’re in denial about how completely totalitarian your “free market” bullshit city-Statism is. It brutally, and totally, killed off Non-State Society.

                      So, who’s to say that killing 99% of the world’s city-STATIST aggressors and murderers and enforcers of city-STATISM is wrong? Self defense is a moral right, eh, city-STATIST Libertard?

                      Still, I’m not advocating it, and I think the permaculturalists/transition community activists have proven nobody in the world needs go hungry or die as they would gently “power-down” civilization. Bio-intensive horticulture can grow a complete human diet in 1000 square feet, and build soil fertility besides.

                      But the permaculturalists/transition community activists are too nice; they don’t realize how aggressive and brutal and totally insane people like you CULTured city-STATISTS are.

                      I’ll tell you what’s going to happen, and no future primitive will have to lift a finger in righteous defense from you invasive and occupational city-Statists.

                      You’re going to blow yourselves up in a global thermonuclear war as you fight over dwindling resources.

                      That’s the final logic of invasive and occupational city-Statism.

                      Got fallout shelter? Ain’t technology great?

                      I’m just biding my time. You’ll do as I say. I guarantee it.

                      Premise Ten: The culture as a whole and most of its members are insane. The culture is driven by a death urge, an urge to destroy life. ~Derrick Jensen, Endgame

                    4. See, here’s your problem, white idiot: I know it’s possible for a small hunter-gatherer group to go off the grid and live in north america because I know how to do it and could do it myself if I wanted to. I’ve done and practiced many of the things you’d need to know how to do to make it as a hunter gatherer. So, your protestations that it is not possible thus fall of deaf ears.

                      Which leads me to think that you either don’t do it because you don’t really WANT to or you’re too fucking stupid to know how.

                      Me, I’m betting that you don’t really want it. You like your streaming porn and civilized comforts too much, and you’re too damn afraid you wouldn’t be able to hack it.

                    5. Non-State society lifeways were completely, totally, brutally destroyed. If they were possible in North America, there would still be Indians doing it.

                      City-Statist LIBERTARDs stupidly conflate “surviving in the woods alone” with Non-State society lifeways.

                    6. That’s like telling a rocket scientist that space flight is not possible.

                      Sure, it wouldn’t work for large groups (it never did), but a small band of less than 20-30 could get away with it. The fact that you and any friends you might have aren’t out doing it means you don’t want it.

                    7. You said they have done it.

                      I asked, when, who, and where.

                      You’re still evading.

                      Fact is, people have tried, and like I said, had their children stolen by you city-Statists spouting Hobbesian mythology of how horrible it must be to live in a teepee.

                      But even if it is possible, and no matter if I’m some rich fuck sitting in a gold plated Rolls, you still can’t get it through your thick Libertard numb-skill:

                      Freedom should be everywhere. Who should Non-State people have to hide and evade you invasive and occupational city-Statists?

                    8. Ah, so you can’t do it because no one else wants to give up civilization? That’s mighty convenient.

                      As for who, when, where, there are plenty of people in Alaska who do it, including natives who still live as they did in the past. There are also plenty of people in the western lower 48 who do it, but they generally don’t tout there presence, so it’s a bit hard to provide a link.

                      So, again, it comes down to you simply not wanting it. You realize that the rest of humanity is not going to fallow you down that path, so you don’t HAVE to worry about doing it, because you refuse to do it unless everyone else does it.

                      Very convenient.

                    9. Ah, so you can’t do it because no one else wants to give up civilization?

                      No, that’s not what I said, city-Statist Libertard.

                      What I did say, and you continue to evade, is that brutally invasive and aggressive agricultural city-Statism (civilization) has KILLED Non-State society dead, and continues to prevent it with regulations like Land enTITLEments that prevent the free movement of people to gambol about plain and forest.

                      Even the Eskimos are just going through the motions; they’ve been thoroughly invaded and occupied too, and their Non-State society lifeways mostly (but not completely, as in the lower 48) destroyed.

                    10. “Ah, so you can’t do it because no one else wants to give up civilization?

                      No, that’s not what I said”

                      S-S-Stop P-P-Putting words in my mouth!!! Even though you’re not and it’s exactly what I said!!!

                      Like delicious donuts!!!

                    11. Inuit or Yupik…most of them consider the term ‘eskimo’ derogatory. So try to be a little more sensitive, asshole.

                    12. I can quit drinking city-Statism any time I want. I just don’t want to.

                    13. There’s always some idiot on the internet trying to make it all about them. You’re that idiot.

                  2. If anybody could live a Non-State society lifeway anywhere in North America, the Indians would still be doing it.

                    Soldiers made sure they can’t do it.

                    Law enforcement makes sure nobody can do it nowadays.

                    And we all know how much libertarians LOVE soldiers and cops and the great things they do!

          2. Seriously, White Shithead, what the fuck is your point. Even if everyone here were to concede that you are right, it’s too late. How the fuck do you propose to get rid of 95% of the world’s population? Killing everyone is even more totalitarian and wicked than gambol lockdown.
            So shut the fuck up. We get what you are trying to say. You don’t need to make your case anymore.

            1. Killing everyone is even more totalitarian and wicked than gambol lockdown.

              You’re still going to do it with the most glorious of all your technologies.

              “The greatest achievement of organized science in history.”

              ~Harry Truman
              Statement by the President Announcing the Use of the A-Bomb at Hiroshima
              August 6, 1945

              Like I said, I’m just biding my time.

              1. “”The greatest achievement of organized science in history.”

                ~Harry Truman
                Statement by the President Announcing the Use of the A-Bomb at Hiroshima
                August 6, 1945″

                Yes, what kind of moron would think that a fundamental change in the understanding of science by the greatest assembly of scientists ever was the “greatest achievement of organized science in history”!

                Lol, you city statists are so fucking stupid for thinking what was OBVIOUSLY and IRREFUTABLY “The greatest achievement of organized science in history.” is actually “The greatest achievement of organized science in history.”

                YOU’RE ALL DUMB, not ME!!!

                IT WAS A WEAPON AND THEREFORE NOT SCIENCE!!! Or something…

              2. What a religion you’ve build – just like the unaBomber, Oklahoma bomber, Norway shooter, and many others before you – your basic argument:

                You claim to have special knowledge about society’s self-imposed sins which will end with all of dead. It must be special knowledge after all, as most don’t agree.

                Additionally, you know who the righteous are, like yourself, as they rail against the useful idiots in a brave attempt to save them from the oncoming, deserved, and self-made armageddon….

                As the Church Lady used to say, “How conveeeeennnnnient…”

  12. Another isolated incident.

  13. If his wife tortures and kills a large section of the Lee County Sheriff’s Office, I would acquit if I was on the jury.

    Anyone still working for the Lee County Sheriff’s Office after that is a bad apple in my book.

    1. How’s that working out for you?

  14. I have some first-hand experience with the Ft. Myers PD and the Lee County Sheriffs – Gestapo is not too strong a word here.

    1. How’s that working out for you?

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  16. DON’T ALLOW DEREALIZATION.

    THESE ARE NOT TROLLS THESE ARE DEMONS.

    FIGHT THEM WITH TRUTH.? DEMAND ANSWERS FROM THEM.

    THEY WON’T WANT TO TELL YOU THEIR IDENTITIES OR WHOM THEY SERVE.

    YOU’VE LOST MARA. YOU’VE LOST GREAT DECEIVER.

    YOU WILL FACE THE TRUE WILL AND FALL UNDER IT’S POWER.?

      1. He mentioned demons.

        Could it be Satan?

  17. For the love of money [POLIS’ property values] is the root of all evil [POLICe brutality.]

    1. Maybe for [YOUR] religious sins, but don’t lay it on everyone else, [GUILTY COLLECTIVIST]. I am not in [YOUR] world.

      1. Do you own property? You’re in the POLIS (city-statist) world, dipshit.

        1. punish the innocent, lllCOLLECTIVE GUILTlll

        2. I love pissing idiots like you off; therefore, I looooove being a city-statist dipshit! đŸ™‚

  18. Can we come up with a different label on the facebook button? I can’t “like” this. But I want to “recommend” it

    1. If you’re looking at this on Facebook, you should probably use the ‘Reshare’ button. Shit like this needs to be seen by everyone.

  19. But, but, according to Megyn Kelly, pepper spray is just a food product. So they were just trying to feed him.

    1. Janet Napolitano would say that this is just a way to condition the citizens for the NWO.

  20. Are we surprised anymore? It’s just another kick to our prodigiously swollen collective ball sack as we lay in a gutter.

  21. Christ on a pogo stick, H & R admins. Why do you tolerate the complete wreckage of your blog comments like this?

    Banhammer, already.

    1. Seconded. You have the funds to do it now.

      1. Da, tovarisch, we cannot have such ideas in the collective of libertardism.

        1. I would trade your stupidity for a dozen joes because even when he was wrong he wasn’t a fucking idiot child. LoneWhacko was no worse than you – and yet he was banned. I don’t understand why you are still here.

    2. Da, comrade, we cannot have such ideas in the collective of libertardism.

      1. What, the idea that I’m too fat and cowardly to actually live the life, so I insult and attack others out of frustration and anger?

        Yeah, end that shit.

        1. holy shit white indian is fat. that tub-o-lard thinks he’ll survive without civilization? it’d be laughable if he’d finally go do it already.

  22. Not to worry; if the Lee County Sheriffs Dept encountered an intoxicated Florida Highway Patrolman they would treat him exactly the same.

    res ipsa loquitur, bitches!

    hth

  23. [doing Spiny Norman voice] dunphy?

  24. This is a national policy now – I’ve been fighting the last Administration as well as this one, over the use of FBI “CoIntelPro” Domestic Terrorism and Torture due to a Government Sponsored High Profile ASSASSINATION. These sadistic ‘law enforcement’ guys and gals are COWARDS & NAZI’S in BULLY GANGS!

    WorthingtonGate .. Meet “Amerika’s” Taliban.

    http://LibertyAndJusticeUnited.org

  25. If this story is true every one of these pseudo public safety officers should be in prison. I hope they not get the PCU either.

    1. No, they should not be in prison. You’re just playing into the hands of dunphy, our resident apologist for the police. He’s very keen on Rule of Law(tm).

      Libertarians are all about rule of law. We have to be. Because that’s what separates us from those damn scruffy anarchists (sorry, Epi). Advocating for mob rule and summary justice both betrays our principals and keeps us on the fringe. The people fear chaos and crime and see the police as their protectors; that these beliefs are irrational is vexing but even this incident will probably not be the tipping point. Denial, believing “isolated incident” bullshit, etc.

      Prison is where you go once you’ve been tried, and sentenced to serve a year or longer (ie, for a felony).

      They should be in jail on remand (awaiting trial). Then they should be tried. If found guilty they should serve appropriate prison sentences. Even if they (morally) deserve the death penalty for this, I don’t trust the state with that power for it will surely be abused in other cases. And I wrote “if” to give them the benefit of doubt, as one should in a society of just laws, even in cases where there is incontrovertible evidence of guilt (ie, here).

      We’ve seen this all before. They will go on paid leave, then face misdeameanor charges and be given very deferential treatment by the prosecutors and courts. Then a slap-on-the-wrist sentence which during which they will be housed separately from the general inmate population because they’re special.

      If President Obama were true to his stated principals, Eric Holder would be onsite right now overseeing a federal investigation which would hopefully result in criminal and civil actions in federal court. But you’re not going to see that, either, because it’s an election year and all and he wouldn’t want to look bad with the security moms.

      1. Its been 2.5 years. They should be in prison, because they have had plenty of time for the process you outlined.

        1. My bad. Didn’t RTFA thoroughly.

          But it still plays to dunphy to say things like “they should be in prison” because he’ll nitpick (not unjustifiably, here) and rebut that you’re presuming the trial would have been concluded and they found guilty, etc.

          As maddening as this is, we have to abide by strict rule of law and avoid anything that hints of pre-judgement.

          We do need to work on police and prosecutorial accountability. And it’s going to take a lot more incidents like this before the tipping point is reached. I’m not happy about that, but remember that libertarianism is all about reality, unlike other political movements.

          1. “But it still plays to dunphy”

            Who really gives a fuck what dunphy thinks anymore?

            Perhaps if he weren’t so intractable, but he is so fuck him.

          2. arguing with police = “stop resisting!”

            i’ve found the best way to deal with overzealous pigs is to offer this simple, yes or no question: “do i have the right to $WHATEVER or not?”

            how they answer determines your response. either they’re a legitimate officer of the state or a tyrant, and that question forces their confession.

  26. This is torture, plain and simple, just like what was done in Abu Ghraib, Bagram, and Gitmo. Why isn’t the Lee County Sherriff’s Office being investigated for crimes against humanity? Why hasn’t Human Right’s Watch filed suit? The US is now a full-blown police state with torture cells at the borders and in every major city.

    1. Stipping someone naked and tying them up to abuse them is a sex crime these days. Execpt when authority does it.

  27. Look, People, “White Indian” aka the [CITY-STATE] troll is just that. It doesn’t debate in good faith. Attempts to engage it just get you sucked in to an endless loop of time-wasting. The only way we (the commentariat) can deal with it is to ignore it. Sure, it will always find newbies but with good notice they’ll soon grow tired of it.

    If it were serious about the philosophy it espouses it wouldn’t be on here; it would be out gamboling and eschewing the lifestyle it claims to hate. Srsly.

    Yes, registration would help. Even if the registration were voluntary. As long as there is an option to hide posts from unregistered commenters.

    1. “The only way we (the commentariat) can deal with it is to ignore it.”

      Due respect, keep your opinions about how others spend their time to yourself.

      You don’t own the board.

      So, you don’t dictate to others, period.

  28. One of the perks of being a police officer is that you can commit murder without consequence.

  29. if vigilantism ever had a place… were this my family, i would gladly trade my life to end the lives of those who performed a state sanctioned murder of my loved one.

    1. it makes me wonder when I hear stories like this if these “people” really feeling they are serving the public by murdering them. There are criminals policemen in my family and I have to tell you it is common practice, at least in Texas for the criminals to carry a “throw down”, which is a small caliber untraceable weapon, or a knife that can, in the event of a scrapping they are losing they cam throw it down then pull out their weapon and kill them. I can’t say how many do this, but it is common.

      1. I’ve heard stories about that, too. The problem is proving it. When a non-cop says it you’re labelled an anti-cop bigot. The cops almost never turn in their own.

        And even if you did hear one of your relatives admit to having a throwdown, it’s not enough. He’d have to have said he had a throwdown weapon and told you he’d used it during a specific incident. And you’d be just one voice. The police would close ranks to protect their own.

        And then you’d start to have a string of bad luck. Traffic stops, zoning violations, basic intimidation. Anything to both send a message and destroy your credibility.

        Nobody watches the watchmen.

    2. If I were on a jury trying someone for giving a cop a piece of vigilante justice, I would vote to acquit.

  30. this is obvious murder. I bet if you confronted the murders they have some lame excuse. but it is murder.. cold blooded and pre-meditated..

    1. I agree that it is homocide, but I doubt they inteded to kill him.

      I have no idea what the Florida law says on this, but it is more than “manslaughter”. Something like “aggravated honocide” perhaps?

      1. They intended to torture him, and he happened to die.

        Oops!

        Fuckers deserve to hang.

      2. In most states, if a death occurs incident to the comission of a felony, it’s first degree murder even without intent on the part of the perpetrator.

  31. But to this day, nobody has ever been charged with a crime, and the Lee County State Attorney cleared the sheriff’s office of any wrong doing.

    It’s dedicated professional public servants all the way down.

    1. thread winner

  32. Basically cops have a license to kill anyone they want. Even if they do flat out murder you chances are it will result in a lawsuit that will cost the taxpayers not them. Worst case, they get some BS manslaughter conviction a few months in jail. In San Fransisco the guy flat out murdered the guy and he got manslaughter. Here, they torture a person to death and no charges.

    These events have to have an effect on the culture. It is like a war. In a war people necessarily disassociate themselves from the enemy. If you think their people, it is hard to kill them. Same thing happens with cops. You deal with pretty lousy people and make your living off of human suffering, you have to disassociate yourself from them. Nothing against cops for that. EMTs do the same thing. Anyone in a life or death job does. The problem is that you have to have strict discipline and strict consequences for misbehavior or things quickly get out of hand.

    So here we have cops who by the nature of their jobs and for their own sanity necessarily disassociate and dehumanize the people they deal with. And they are union protected and subject to little or no discipline or consequences for their actions. That is a recipe for murder.

    1. So here we have cops who by the nature of their jobs and for their own sanity necessarily disassociate and dehumanize the people they deal with.

      If this is the effect your profession is having on you, you should seek a new line of work.

      1. There is probably something to be said for only being a cop for five or ten years and get out of it. It is a tough job. You necessarily have to separate yourself from it or you will lose your mind.

        Cops deal with the worst of the worst every day. You have to disassociate from that to some degree.

        1. But if they stick with it for 20 years, they can retire in their 40s with full pension.
          And I find the new young ones are often the worst. But I’m thinking of the small town cops where I live who rarely have to deal with the “worst of the worst”.

          1. True. And these fuckers were jail cops, which are the lowest of the low. I guess some people can handle it an others can.

    2. Yet another problem with militarizing the police.

      I say we require the police to go sans weapons for one generation so they can learn how to police again.

      1. Yup. They get all geared up and run around like fucking honey baboons.

  33. The Lee County State Attorney is an accessory to murder.

  34. Merry fucking Christmas from the Reason staff.

    1. Gosh, seriously. Depressing as fuck.

      1. Get a grip. We are at war with an occupying enemy force who wear badges and murder at will. Pigs don’t give a crap about your Xmas, these psychos will go home and watch their kids open presents without a care in the world. That’s a psychopath.

  35. Not condoning what the police did, but while it’s one thing to be publicly intoxicated at 18, it’s quite another thing at 62.

    1. Some guys are old belligerent drunks. I am sure this guy was one of them. We pay cops to deal with such types fairly and justly not torture them to death.

      1. ^^ This ^^

    2. Sure, but in either case, the most they should do is put you in a cell until you sober up and give you a citation.

    3. Not condoning what the police did . . .

      Then why bring up the victim’s age at all?

    4. Uh, if not condoning, what then? Serving as an apologist, surely.

      And why does the age matter? Any other state programs you think should be administered differently based on age?

    5. Yeah, because if it’s what 62-year old needs is to be restrained to chair and repeatedly pepper sprayed

      1. Ok, I need coffee. Let’s try again: Yeah, because what a 62-year old man needs is to be restrained to chair and repeatedly pepper sprayed.

    6. Guy was depressed and self medicating. It’s not unusual in that circumstance, no matter how old the guy is.

      That doesn’t mean the police get to murder him.

  36. What I want to know is why isn’t it the job of the state police to arrest these guys? Of course, I know the answer. But it seems like it shouldn’t be too hard to create incentives for police and prosecutors to look at such things more seriously. Of course that would mean that legislators actually cared more about shit like this than an endorsement by the police unions.

    Mother Fucker.

    1. The problem is that the cops are in bed with the DAs. And the cop unions are in bed with everyone. And every State Attorney General is a former DA and thus long since lost his virtue to the cops. The feds can’t prosecute unless they can prove they killed the guy because of his race. So there is no one to do anything about this.

      1. Yep. That’s pretty much what I assumed. I keep trying to think of good ways to incentivize DAs to be more aggressive about police criminality and abuse (not to mention prosecutorial abuse). My favorite so far is to make every DA serve as a public defender half of the time. Though that could backfire in some ways, I suppose.

        1. That would help. The problem is the culture that develops in some DA offices. The culture in a lot of places is that all of the accused are “criminals” and the defense attorney’s are abetting said criminals rather than doing their jobs and the whole point is to put as many of these “criminals” in jail to protect the public by any means available.

          In that kind of culture, a DA looks at this case and sees the guy as a criminal not a human being. And he sees the issue here being that cops need to be allowed to do their jobs without DAs interfering lest some criminal go free.

          That is how they think.

        2. Though that could backfire in some ways, I suppose.

          Ya think?
          The job of a DA is to get convictions. If that means knowingly convicting an innocent person, so be it. They don’t give a fuck.
          Everyone they represented as a public pretender would be convicted.
          No exceptions.

          1. The only way to fix it is to make DAs more afraid of convicting an innocent person than they are of allowing a guilty one to go free.

            1. How do you do that?
              They’ve got immunity.
              They can withhold evidence, make shit up, commit perjury, collude with the cops, it doesn’t matter.

              Our justice system is run by criminals.

              1. I suspect that changing that is what he has in mind.

              2. Take away their immunity.

            2. “”The only way to fix it is to make DAs more afraid of convicting an innocent person than they are of allowing a guilty one to go free.””

              Authority hates it when you demand they think twice about something before they do it.

              How dare you second guess them criminal lover.

      2. The feds can’t prosecute unless they can prove they killed the guy because of his race.

        Doubtful. Due process is a civil right, regardless of who you are, and cops acting like judge judy and executioner is violating that right.

        1. Nope. The civil rights laws are very specific. Ordinary cop violence, no matter how severe is not covered by them. You can only be prosecuted if you intended to deprive someone of their civil rights which basically means you beat the guy because of his race.

          1. “The civil rights laws are very specific. Ordinary cop violence, no matter how severe is not covered by them. You can only be prosecuted if you intended to deprive someone of their civil rights which basically means you beat the guy because of his race.”

            This is profoundly incorrect.

            Perhaps you could support your assertion with something other than an obviously inserted to stifle investigation of your dubious claim “nope”.

            1. No it is not. There is no general federal criminal law. The feds cannot prosecute a ordinary assault or murder without there being some kind of federal nexus, i.e. committed on federal land or an assault against a federal official.

              When a cop murders someone there is no federal nexus, unless you can prove he did it with the intent of violating that person’s federal rights. Even then the prosecution is for violating the rights not for the underlying assault. See the Rodney King case as an example of this. The cops in that case were not convicted of assault, they were convicted of violating King’s civil rights and one of the elements of that case was that they attacked him because of his race.

              If you think this is not true, produce for us the federal law or case that shows that cops or anyone can be tried in federal court for simple assault or murder.

              1. Re-reading the USC, and why couldn’t the Feds use 18 USC 242 against the deputies involved?

                The statute seems like it only applies if the deprivation of rights was due to the victim’s perceived race or alien status, but commentaries on the statute suggest the victim’s status isn’t a necessary element. IANAL, so that’s probably why I’m confused.

              2. “Nope. The civil rights laws are very specific. Ordinary cop violence, no matter how severe is not covered by them. ”

                “The feds cannot prosecute a ordinary assault or murder ”

                John moving the goalposts because he knows he’s wrong about the first claim.

                Thanks John, I’m glad you realize you were wrong.

              3. John makes claim that civil rights laws only apply to racial civil rights violations.

                John is called on his dubious assertion.

                John ignores request for citation of his claim and changes tack, arguing that the feds cannot prosecute an ordinary assault or murder, despite no one anywhere claiming they could.

                John is mendacious, or simple. I can’t decide which.

            2. You are the one who is misinformed. Haven’t you ever heard of qualified immunity? That means that ONLY a federal civil rights suit can be proceeded against the guilty cops (or any government agent). The system is totally rigged, the courts protect their minions and “the muscle” they use to enforce their mafia.

      3. Florida doesn’t have DA’s.

    2. In MA, don’t they have an alternate means of prosecution that private citizens can initiate? I seem to remember that from when then-DA Martha Crowley refused to prosecute the cop who raped a child with a hot curling iron.

  37. it’s one thing to be publicly intoxicated at 18, it’s quite another thing at 62.

    Plainly, it should be a capital offense.

    Fuck you.

    1. Well, for one thing, you are more likely to die when the police torture you when you are 62 than when you are 18.

  38. It’s sad that a cop being prosecuted for committing murder while on the job would be a shock.

    We take it for granted that the men who seek out a job that involves carrying a club and a gun do so because they have a desire to use the tools of the trade.

    1. They guy in San Fransisco. He just pulled out a gun and shot the guy. All he had to do was say “hey I thought I had a taser” and it got it reduced to manslaughter.

      1. That was horrid, but all the witnesses said the cop reacted with shock when he saw that he had fired a bullet, which is consistent with his story. There are a few perplexing issues with differences between the taser he was carrying and the gun he fired, eg the presence of a safety on the former.

        Though I’m sure a “civilian” would have gotten a less understanding treatment from the prosecutors’ office in similar circumstances.

        1. They really should design Tasers like Phaser, then they wouldn’t have the similiarity problem. And then we could call them phasers…

        2. The only speculation I have on this is that officers carry their Tasers and their sidearms on different sides of their belts…meaning he would have to have noticed he was reaching for the wrong weapon.

      2. Clearly that was accidental. All the race baiting aside.

  39. Since it looks like we’re not getting any links this morning…

    Bar Rafaeli is still hot!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/fem…..p-Fit.html

    Courtney Love is not!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs…..loset.html

    1. Courtney Love is not!

      Why did you do this??

      1. Because I’m a sadist.

        I guess I should have been a cop.

        1. I’d rather be beaten to death by a cop than wake up next to that.

          1. It could happen. That is why you never go out binge drinking without a spare saw in your back pocket.

          2. Given it’s Love. Don’t waste a perfectly good arm. Cut the medusa’s head off.

    2. I think Rafaeli might be the hottest women in the world. She is certainly in any discussion. She is just amazing.

      1. Bar Rafaeli sans warpaint.

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs…..-York.html

        1. OMFG. Thanks for killing my dreams sarcasmic. I guess you plan to go tell a few children there isn’t a Santa Claus later today.

          1. I hadn’t thought of that, but that’s a great idea!

            When I pick up the little one at daycare I’ll be sure to make an announcement.

            Thanks!

            đŸ˜‰

    3. Rafaeli is average gym ass at best.

      1. Not that I’m complaining about average gym ass beyond the extent there is no reason to slather over her that you wont find by getting a gym membership.

  40. Striping men of their dignity, a little bit self dehumanizing isn’t it?

  41. I doubt they inteded to kill him.

    They just wanted to indulge their boyish urge to sadistically torture him for laughs.

  42. Of course, the guy’s real crime was making some pinch-faced soccer mom uncomfortable.

    1. Often I’ll overhear one of that class speaking and some of the most monstrous concepts of rights and justice that begin and end with their own level of comfort will billow from their mouths.

  43. The guys that did that need to be sued for all they have and sent to a prison that tortures there inmates. Anyone that could so that to someone is a crazy monster and they should get kicked out of the country.

    1. Expulsion is not enough. We need as a society to be able to purge people who do these things from our society, but merely expelling them from one society and inflicting them on another is no solution. They must be killed.

  44. It’s the New Professionalism, bitches. Deal with it.

  45. Would love to know the other side of the story.

  46. These cops who personally took these actions should be executed or assassinated, whichever can be most expediently arranged by the victim’s family, friends, or just any individual who is outraged by this criminal conduct.

    I hope the guilty parties bear the full personal consequences of their kidnapping, torture and murder of the victim.

  47. That incident requires a full federal investigation. It appears from the facts presented his civil rights were violated and the police who participated should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

  48. “It’s been more than two and a half years and his wife still can’t accept what happened.”

    When exactly did this incident occur???

    1. March 27, 2009

  49. He must have deserved it, that’s why they call it the justice system

  50. As long as these chickenshit pigs continue to receive slaps on the wrist,(at worst) and often NO consequences for this completely out of control behaviour,it’s only going to continue to get worse!!

  51. Murder.

  52. First off – fuck Lee county.

    Secondly – can someone fill me in on this “gambol” thing? Why does every thread had this word on it?

    Third – Just to see if I remember correctly, was LoneWhacko the 24ahead.com or something like that?

    1. “gambol” is the callsign for White Indian, otherwise known by a thousand names. A manic retard that feels compelled to crap all over Reason threads for whatever purpose. There is no arguing with it. No point can ever be made to it. Don’t engage it, it’s not worth the time or effort.

      1. Thanks

        I’m familiar with White Indian. I’ve not replied to a single post by this person. What I can’t seem to understand is why everyone else does, then they turn around and bitch about his/her presence here.

        If you ignore it enough, it will go away. Much like Gregoooo.

      2. Thanks

        I’m familiar with White Indian. I’ve not replied to a single post by this person. What I can’t seem to understand is why everyone else does, then they turn around and bitch about his/her presence here.

        If you ignore it enough, it will go away. Much like Gregoooo.

  53. Hmmm… Looks to me like his 6th and 8th Amendment Rights as guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution were violated. Does anyone else think this is a bad thing?

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    Article [VI.]

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

    Article [VIII.]

    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

    1. Surely you wouldn’t want to give V a miss:

      No person shall […] be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; […]

      for the man is dead (i.e. deprived of life) and no due process was given.

  54. this is a crime in which the police need to stand trail and punished for this murder i would suggest the death penalty !

  55. I think this case would be investigated

  56. there may be good cops out there, but it only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch. and trust, there are alot of bad apples.

  57. This video has some more relevant information regarding this case. It’s clear that deputies were informed beforehand that Christie was mentally ill, and had heart and pulmonary disorders.

    1. “”After 39 years of marriage, she says knew something was wrong so she called her local police department. A Girard, Ohio police officer called the Lee County Sheriff’s Office for help. Joyce also several calls to Lee County deputies.

      “I called the Lee County Sheriff’s Department and knew what hotel he was at and to take him to the hospital,” recalls Joyce.

      Deputies found Nicholas but they took him to jail.””

      Another great example of when NOT to call the cops. You think they will help, and this is what you get.

  58. May the wrath of God fall unmercifully upon the heads of all those who tormented this man. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

  59. Just to clarify:

    1. A spit hood does not gag someone given it does not enter the mouth. It is designed to prevent them from spitting and allow them to still breath unobstructed. If an inmate can ask for the spit mask to be removed then they are clearly able to breath.

    2. Just because on inmate or that inmate’s family asks to be taken to the hospital does not mean they have the right to go there. They are in custody and as such their freedom of movement is restricted. If the jail staff (including the medical staff) deem it necessary to move an inmate to the hospital then it will happen.

    3. Most jails have a full time medical staff who reviews all inmates being booked in. I know for a fact that the LCSO jail does and as part of their duties, the medical staff checks on people who are in restraint chairs every few hours.

    4. Case law does support physically restraining someone for extended periods of time if they are a danger to themselves or others. Case law also supports taking reasonable measures to maintain control of a disorderly subject in a corrections setting including the use of force.

    5. Just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean it is criminal or wrong. Before you make a knee-jerk judgment on an incident you need to take a breath, calm down, and then come up with a logical argument for or against after you have reviewed the facts and made an effort to educate yourself on the topic.

    The only real question here is if it was appropriate to continue to apply pepper-spray while the inmate was in the chair. Based on what is put forth in the article and the news story, that is in doubt. No one has been able (or willing) to say if it was applied while in the restraint chair or before he was put into the chair. That it was applied while in the chair is only implied at this point.

    Full disclosure: yes I work in law enforcement and yes I did work at the Lee County Sheriff’s Office for 4 ? years. Sometimes being a Libertarian in law enforcement is like being a Jew for Hitler!

    1. The ME’s diagnosis of homicide is all the “education” I need on this topic.

      1. Homicide is the killing of one human being by another. The act of homicide is not inherently a criminal one. For it to be a criminal act there needs to be the intent to kill or an act of gross negligence which leads to the death of someone (usually referred to a manslaughter).

        Lets say your are out shopping and being a law abiding, Second Amendment loving citizen, you are carrying a firearm. You go into a grocery store and while waiting at the checkout a man wielding a rife enters the store and begins shooting people.

        You act! You use your firearm you shoot the gun wielding subject several times. After four shots you are able to end the threat to your and other people’s lives. You later find out that the subject dies while at the hospital. You have committed the act of homicide.

        Was your intent to actually kill the gun wielding subject? Most likely the answer is no. Your intent was to stop the threat to people’s lives. Given that your intent was not to actually kill (assuming you do no walk up to the incapacitated gunman and put a round in his head) the subject but to simply stop the threat which means that your act of homicide is not a crime.

        In this corrections setting, was the intent of the officers to kill the inmate. The answer is pretty obviously no. Did their gross negligence lead to the inmate’s death. The answer is most likely no but that has yet to be determined.

        So the ME’s finding of homicide does not mean a crime took place. It just means that the inmate’s death was caused by the actions of another human being.

        1. Why was he stripped naked?

          1. That is not clearly answered with the information we have right now. Getting placed into the chair to begin with is a pretty big deal and is very disruptive to the running of the facility. Ending up in the chair was probably a multistage process beginning with the inmate being somehow posing a danger to himself or others or being disruptive to the running of the facility. As part of preventing him from having any object to use to that end he was most likely stripped down and placed into a solitary cell. He probably continued to be disruptive and the decision was later made to place him into the chair. Additionally, clothing can get in the way of the chair straps so even if he went straight into the chair they might have taken his shirt and pants off to prevent that.

        2. “There was no complete video for state officials to review before they decided not to prosecute Lee County sheriff’s deputies who re-strained and pepper-sprayed inmate Nicholas Christie eight times over two days before Christie’s March 31, 2009 death.

          That’s because deputies pepper-sprayed and restrained Christie in areas where there are monitors, but video is not recorded, according to sheriff’s office spokesman Sgt Larry King.

          “The only areas that have the video capabilities are the new areas of the jail,” King said.

          Also, a video that would have shown deputies handcuffing Christie to a gurney before taking him to a hospital froze for about 11 minutes as it happened.”

          Prove gross negligence when the video “freezes?” How convenient.

          Additionally, LCSO never even reported his death to the State Atty’s Office, which is SOP when there is a death. They tried to say he technically “died” after his wife bonded him out, because she pulled the plug days after his brain death. Therefore, no death to report.

          They didn’t even alert the judge who was arraigning him–he was on the docket a week later.

          There was a mental health BOLO issued for him when they arrested him for trespass, so he should have been taken to hospital, not jail.

          Witnesses also said they heard and saw him wheezing, claiming he couldn’t breathe, and turning purple.

          Witnesses also said that they put a spit mask on him because they pepper sprayed into his mouth.

        3. “Joyce Christie was so concerned she says she contacted the Lee County Sheriff’s office and issue a welfare BOLO (Be On The Lookout). Ms. Christie even had the sheriff of her home town contact Lee County to stress the seriousness of her husband’s condition and the fact that he needed to take his medication.
          “He begged them to take Nick to the hospital. They said he’s having a good time, he needs a few days away. All they had to do was say ‘Let us talk to your doctor to confirm.’ They didn’t do it. Captain Begowski told the officer, ‘If you don’t take him now, I’m going to tell you, you’re going to be dealing with him in a couple of hours.'”

          That forecast proved true.

          Joyce says her husband couldn’t remember her number, or his son’s. Two days later on March 27, he was arrested again for trespassing.

          This time when officers took her husband into custody, Joyce says they locked his medications in his truck and never retrieved them.

          Joyce frantically flew to Fort Myers March 28, but police would not let her see Nick. She says they wouldn’t even tell him she was there. Finally, an officer suggested she could bond him out of police custody.

          When she finally was allowed to see her husband it was too late.

          He had been taken by ambulance to Gulf Coast Hospital where Joyce says Nick’s eyes were taped shut and he had 40 tubes taped to his body. Doctors told her he had a 10 percent chance to live. The nurses told her when he was brought in naked that he had so much pepper spray on him doctors had to change their gloves as they became saturated with the orange spray.

          No one in the sheriff’s office had contacted her, and until he arrived at the hospital, Nick Christie had never seen a doctor. Someone in the hospital, shocked by his condition, suggested she contact an attorney.”

    2. “”The only real question here is if it was appropriate to continue to apply pepper-spray while the inmate was in the chair””

      He was restrained in the chair. Under what guidelines is it OK to pepper someone in custody and restrained?

    3. “”Based on what is put forth in the article and the news story, that is in doubt. No one has been able (or willing) to say if it was applied while in the restraint chair or before he was put into the chair. That it was applied while in the chair is only implied at this point.””

      How is it in doubt? I haven’t seen anything that says the cops dispute that claim, not that I’ve seen it all.

      I’ll take the medical examiners word for it, for now. The cops could convice me otherwise by showing the full video.

      1. It is a very normal thing (and a good idea) for police departments not to comment about an ongoing lawsuit/investigation. Just because they decide not to testify in the ‘court of public opinion’ does not mean they are automatically guilty of whatever they are accused of. Even in a situation like this the burden of proof lies with the accuser. If the accuser does not present evidence to say a thing happened then you cannot presume that it did.

        Also, please refer to my earlier post about the ME’s finding of homicide and people’s general misunderstanding of how that word is used.

        1. Would you apply the same standard that you express here to every person that is suspected of every crime? Of course, if a non-cop had done any of this, they would up shit creek. Let’s say it was a fair and normal world we live in and at the very least a mundane that did this would be arrested and the bail would be set very high indeed. There would be an investigation and the prosecutor would try his damndest to drill the suspect into dust. Charges would be loaded up and the suspect would be threatened with the death penalty nad convinced to plea bargain for life in prison. But the people who committed this act here were not mundanes, they were gods, therefore they are not arrested and no criminal charges are filed.

          1. Why would a non-cop be restraining someone in a chair? Joe citizen does not have the authority to restrain someone as set forward in this story (in jail and in the chair). Law enforcement does given there is probable cause to believe the subject did commit a crime. You are putting fourth a ridiculous standard of comparison.

    4. Case law does support physically restraining someone for extended periods of time if they are a danger to themselves or others. Case law also supports taking reasonable measures to maintain control of a disorderly subject in a corrections setting including the use of force.

      There is also precedent in multiple Florida courts ruling that using pepper spray on mentally ill inmates violates the Eighth Amendment, and that any officers who do it are not eligible for qualified immunity.

    5. Awesome. Well written.

    6. That doesn’t mean the hood wasn’t applied incorrectly. Least of all it doesn’t mean it wasn’t intentionally applied to Mr. Christie. The law can be an ass and this looks like a good case in point. The can and should always be changed. Government does it every second day with military contracts. Retroactively applying the ruling often. Christie didn’t need to die and this looks very bad for the officers involved.

  60. In my experience the worst criminals in our degenerating economy are the cops. These days cops are hired to make a profit for the government, any way they can, and get rid of those that don’t produce for the government. All governments have become the Godzilla of old Japanese movies. Cops don’t need to use phony radar guns in Oregon to steal from a motorist. They just completely fabricate a charge then commit perjury in court. The conspiring judge will make sure there were no witnesses in the vehicle before their complicity in the theft. It doesn’t even matter that a charge completely violates the laws of physics. Oregon cops will issue a completely bogus traffic cite, then commit perjury with the most ridiculous impossible lies in court and the judges convict anyway, as if it were a conspiracy. I know. It happened to me in Oregon. In Oregon, don’t drive in your vehicle alone. If you want to know why, read the posts on: facebook.com/garydonoliver. That is the reason cops don’t want to be filmed. It cuts into their take from theft, and exposes their level of insanity. THIS IS WHY I BECAME A FULL TIME ACTIVIST.

    1. You don’t need full caps for us to know what you mean. I had a cop enter my home unwarranted because he didn’t understand the situation fully from a neighbor’s 911 call, came in the house to wake me up, and then beat me when I told him to get out of my house until he had a warrant. Now I’m facing charges for resisting arrest. They threatened to use the audio tapes from the police cars outside to convict me, until I got a good lawyer…now they mysteriously lost all 3 tapes. So they have no evidence but the cop’s word, and I have plenty of evidence…but I still had to pay 10,000 bail and my lawyer to prove THEM wrong, when I’m supposed to be innocent until proven guilty?

      I wish all they did was what you described…but it’s gotten much worse than that. The truth is, if a cop wants to, he can beat you. If you have no witnesses, then you will serve time and pay thousands of dollars in legal fees (not to mention medical…) for being the cop’s anger outlet. And they really need no evidence to charge you, just a persuasive DA.

  61. yes I work in law enforcement and yes I did work at the Lee County Sheriff’s Office for 4 ? years.

    Yes, I want you to die in a fire you fucking scumbag.

    1. Thank you for all your efforts to make sure people understand Libertarians are not just a bunch of foaming at the mouth lunatics.

      =)

      1. Thank you for having a different standard of law and justice when it comes to cops. Cops get off, peons feel the full wrath of the state.

        1. I don’t see that notion being put fourth in any of my posts. Please to justify your coming to that conclusion.

  62. Maybe some of you should work in a jail sometime…piss thrown on you…shit smeared on walls and whipped at your face…spit in your face….blood smeared on your clothing as you tussel with these a**holes….until you have worked with the drunkn idiots dont speak……

    1. If you can’t handle it properly, get a new job.

    2. Lock people in cages and thats what you get. Why should a person keep quiet for not having degraded themselves by supporting or working in such a place?

    3. I don’t care how drunk you are, no one deserves to be murdered. 2 what the hell what did his family do to deserve him being murdered? 3 there is a difference in taking control of a bad situation and in taking advantage of someone in a bad situation. 3 taking control was placing him in the chair, taking advantage of a weakened person and bulling them is taking advantage a gross abuse of power. And taking their life make you a murder plain and simple.

      1. Not to mention that this guy was not just drunk; he was an unmedicated bipolar patient in a manic phase. Even if he was sober, he would not have been able to remain calm. He needed medical attention, not punishment.

        1. He needed gambol therapy.

    4. So, it’s a lot like working in the ER. Funny, we never feel the need to beat or pepper spray people. And if we restrain someone in the hospital, we have to check on them at least every 30 minutes.

  63. Is anyone REALLY surprised? We have become a police state..that’s it
    The proof is right there…..NO CHARGES EVER FILED…of course not..because in a police state you have NO RIGHTS!

    Vote for Ron Paul to RESTORE AMERICA!

  64. people hate the police because
    the police abuse people because
    people hate the police because
    the police abuse people because
    ….

    Being a police officer is too important to be left to the people who are attracted to it.

    Maybe we should have the draft for police service.

    1. That’s not a bad idea.

  65. Reading the comments in response to this article remind me of watching the special olympics….only exception being, the comment section has more retards.

    1. Member of the pig fraternity letting everyone know why they’re justified in hating them. Try putting your name up here hero. See how that rubs you. Big man talking bullshit about one of your pig fuck friends sick work. Don’t sweat it asshole names will be named.

  66. another point to never go in US OF AMERICA !!!!

  67. This kind of police brutality should sicken any person of goodness and love. THE POLICEMAN HAS BECOME A DISGRACE TO SOCIETY AND A DETRIMENT TO MAN.

    1. You can say that again. What police were supposed to be they are no longer. All part of some people’s plan no doubt.

  68. And nothing will be done about this… Cops are not held accountable to the law… Cops are above the law… It’s why they continue to abuse the people they are sworn to protect… This is not something that is an anomaly… This happens everyday… maybe not the death but surely the abuse…

    1. Wrong facts. Cops get abused, mentally physically spiritually and financially. Wow……..

  69. These thugs are allowed to act like they are better than anyone else and above the laws. I know these fucking assholes laughed the WHOLE TIME TOO – THEY ARE SHITHEADS!!!!! I am glad this is now public information – keep it coming – it’s the only hope we have of stopping this “torture for their entertainment.”

  70. I hope these guys get charged and go to prison, My heart goes out to the family.

  71. My cousin was in jail ( Taylor County Florida) and while we where working on getting him released I contacted the ACLU and was told that Florida is the worst state for prisoner and civilian rights violations by POLICE OFFICERS. I am sure in the 7 years since then its only gotten worse. Those should get the death penalty for 1st degree murder.

  72. whats the difference between a school yard bully and a cop????

    Tax payer dollars puts 1 in therapy

    And Tax payers money pays the others salary.

  73. It is appalling that the officers involved were not held responsible for this. It is sad to see what is the truth of her justice system.

  74. What the hell, we need to get the names of these ducked up psychos and publicly protest outside of there houses, police stations, there kids schools and publicly slander each and every one of these asshole so called Peace officers. What a fucking joke, and to the guy who used to work for the lee county dept. I hope someone breaks into your house and rapes you, you fucking ass. Did you not see the picture of the guy restrained gagged and dead? God damn I hope you die a horrid death.

    1. Why bring the cops family into the situation. Why would you preach raping and murdering more innocent people like wives and children. Are you mentally ill.

      1. Shut the fuck up asswipe. The state and the families need to pay. Sure what was suggested was extreme but the money should come from the officers’ families estate. Let them deal with that burden. These idiots really will think the easiest thing they can do is some jail. Make them and their families pay for the pain they caused others. This kind of shit causes more communities to go broke paying for huge lawsuits. That shouldn’t be happening. First port of call should be the officers and what they can pay up over their careers including their spouse. They can literally pay for that life sentence of forever dead they gave Nick.

    2. If the cops guilty charge him not his/her family

      1. Spoken like someone who’s never seen what asshole cops asshole families look like. Apple never falls far from the tree. If the wife was any good she’d have left him. So much for your innocent family line.

  75. And we’re supposed to give authorities the benefit of the doubt? At what point will it be more rational for CITIZENS to approach UNIFORMED MEN with weapons drawn?

    “LET ME SEE YOUR I.D.! ARE YOU GOING TO RAPE AND TASER ME??? WHAT’S YOUR BADGE NUMBER?”

    1. Idiot. Obviously your not law abiding. You definitely lack the common sense you were born with. Did the dog lose your brain.

  76. These s.o.b’s would die painfull and very slowly. Everyone of them AND their families. Wipe these mistakes from the earth. Then the widow gets a huge settlement. An old man who is nothing more than what he is then gets treated this way for drinking too much in public. Probably commiserating his mundane life like anyone else. No doubt these ‘officials’ would die painfully with their families. It’s what they deserve. Including any other officials that protect them.

  77. Acrime is a crime no matter who commits it having a states attorney say that the MURDERERS are cleared of any wrong doing only makes it conspiracy as well as murder 1 and kidnaping and torture and abuse of corpse to name a few these people are murderers and worse because they did this terrible thing and they were supposed to be upholding the law they obviously are not to be trusted with the safety of anybody

  78. I have a solution for this kind of shit: Every person serves an equal term as a policeman in their community. This would mean every person would probably work 3-4 shifts a year in their community as a cop. It would end the heavy-handed shit and would mean that cops would be more likely to be caught sleeping in their cruiser than out beating their fellow citizens to death. It would also mean those dumbass soccer moms who crow on about penny-ante crimes could get fucked with by every other woman they crossed throughout the year.

    It would also have the added benefit of eliminating all police pensions.

  79. Cops live in a fantasy world where they believe they can do no wrong. Case in point.

  80. The Seattle PD might just be the most fucked up organization in America. They do not care about justice nearly as much as protecting the union and keeping investigations of their crimes in-house.

    FTA: Roe, who has been a Citizen Observer with the Firearms Review Board since 2006, also recommends having two citizen observers. But the Seattle Police Officers Guild says it sees no need for additional civilian oversight of shootings.

  81. Please bring salt as we have enough pepper spray.

  82. Kill all the pigs. Ones with nicknames like Jarhead08 is a good start. Assholes like him can get it nice and slow. See if they stop talking their bullshit. Spreading their fucking good cop bullshit. A dozen dead cop a day should thin out the herd. At least it’s a good start. These bastards right here need some medieval type pain.

      1. Good point. Franco’s numbers are on the conservative side.

  83. Folks want to hang it on media all every which way. This is a case where if it wasn’t for journalists this shit would have gone under the rug. Makes you wonder how often in the past it has. Great work to the journalists and outlets that run this. Real bravery and real community service. More than can be said about the vermin that murdered this man. Give it to them the same way!

  84. What the second amendment is for. Tyranny within. Praise Jesus and pass the ammunition. Working as an officer in a jail or department is a dangerous job. Remind them why.

  85. I bet the killers are registered Republicans and call themselves conservative Christians with family values.

  86. I bet the killers are registered Republicans and call themselves conservative Christians with family values.

    1. Only low crawling two faced Demtard liberals could lie about so easily afterwards.

      1. Just wanted to say, as a victim of police brutality, that you’re both retarded. I’m a registered republican, though a classical liberal (like grover cleveland, not like VI lennin lol)

        Only people in a position of power with no fear of consequence can do this. Cops are allowed to shoot a cuffed detainee on VIDEO tape, and get “paid time off” instead of serving time for being unjust murderers. People are more concerned with images than they are with justice.

        You’re both shitty, pathetic americans for turning to fight each other than fixing your country. Fuck you both, you’re too busy cutting each other’s throats to stop this country from bleeding out.

        1. Amen Brother!
          The powerful has those two guys right where they want them: fighting each other while repression becomes the norm in what used to be an awesome country.

          All this will end up very, very badly!

  87. Interesting that people are so afraid that the Islamic Radicals are going to come over here and do this sort thing to us, and are trusting the people who actually do this sort of thing. Kind of like a woman who, in order to prevent burglars, invites a serial killer to move in with her.

    1. Kind of like a woman who, in order to prevent burglars, invites a serial killer to move in with her.

      If you can animate this, I can get Fox to greenlight it.

  88. Is this the way individuals who have been brought of the street drunk are treated? Is the way anyone for that matter should be treated? Did the officers confuse this instance for some sort of terror/interogation mission? And who gave the go ahead for this treatment, why was there no effort to subsume the angst of the evening?

    http://scallywagandvagabond.co…..g-advised/

  89. A lot of cops are nothing but punks themselves. They get by with way to much because they have the big head and think they can do anything they want.

  90. Nothing but criticism. Wow just another payout.

  91. Nothing but criticism. Wow just another payout.

    1. You smell like bacon. You a narc?

  92. Innocent to proven guilty

  93. Sounds like Christie should have complied and not been drunk / disorderly.

    1. You sound like a pig or a troll. More herp less derp when you try again.

    2. In actuality, more often than not, United States citizens “comply”, either by the Power of (Propaganda)Persuasion, or the Persuasion of Power forced on us by our ‘government’; MEANWHILE, our elected representatives and their corrupt, cowardly cronie Agency and Dept heads REFUSE to COMPLY with such things as laws, regulations, and the Constitution. Congresspeople have openly laughed and ridiculed those who dare challenge their “election-given” rights to NOT comply. Pelosi, Bush, Clinton, Gore, Obamma (and the criminals who’ve been pulling his strings and encouraging the biggest scam on the planet)…… and most recently, even our most disgraceful top U.S. Attorney -Eric Holder – who REFUSES TO COMPLY with laws!!! The AUDACITY, huh?! Only in America, land of the stupid sheeple going to slaughter, huh?! It’s Ripleys.

  94. What the 2A right is for. Tyranny within.

  95. atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/…/honor-killing-initial-investigation-of-death- of-fatima-abdallah.html

    Tampa.

  96. “To Serve and Protect”…………It’s a cookbook!!!!

  97. This is the police state our “trusted”, elected gov’t has conditioned us, over time, is ‘normal’ police work. Like grabbing grandpa’s balls at the airport, and using x-ray equipment on ‘law enforcement’ vehicles all over America. Wake Up America. We CAN affect a change.

  98. Yaa, maybe we can’t end the police state tomorrow… But if we accept it as normal, we invite WORSE abuses than the 1s suffered by Nick…. If someone dies during the commission of a felony, it becomes a capital case… What we really need is make it a crime to use pepper spray and tazzers on hapless detainees harmlessly resisting unjust treatment…. Don’t taze me dude…!!! &&&&&& why not expose these abusers to tort damage… WHY?? WE can be sued by the COPS for damages… What is good for the citizens is good for their employees too…

  99. “and the Lee County State Attorney cleared the sheriff’s office of any wrong doing”

    Of course, it was the OFFICERS that did the “wrongdoing” not the office or the desks, the phones or the desks…

  100. Do we even know the names of all the officers involved with the death of this man? And how is it that the ME ruled this a homicide and the DA cleared all the officers of all charges? How does this happen?

    1. How does this happen?

      Simple! It’s called “prosecutorial discretion”, which has become synonym with “legal cronyism and malfeasance”.

      If you want another glaring example, just marvel at the fact that no Wall Street banker, nor mortgage bank has been criminally prosecuted by Bush or Obama’s DOJ when every real expert knows that there has been rampant fraud and fiscal evasion. (and that is for starter only!)

      THe sad fact is: prosecutorial discretion is so blatantly abused today that our system of justice is multi-tiered; those with influence or connections escape the cosequences of their crimes while the rest of us are subjected to one of the most merciless and unfair system of justice in the Western World.

  101. This is just disgusting I live in Lee County and this is just screwed up.To serve and protect my ass.Their should be charges brought against these animals.They think because they have a badge they can do as they please with no punishment,well obviously it works because no one has even gave concern about this man dying while in police custody.People piss and moan about no respect for law enforcement well this is a reason why they are worse then the criminals they arrest!My sympathy goes out to this mans family LCSO can suck a dick

  102. How in the world could this incident have happened over such a long period of time with no one being charged.

  103. This is an outrage and the murders should be brought to trail. It doesn’t matter that they’re law enforcement officers. They broke the law when they murdered this defenseless man and they need to be held accountable.

  104. TwitSpotter
    Twit is a great name for you.
    Take a pill and go away.

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