4/20 or Fight
SAFER (Safer Alternative for Enjoyable Recreation) criticizes University of Colorado at Boulder Chancellor Phil DiStefano for warning students away from the school's April 20 marijuana smoke-out:
"We find it hard to believe that a large group of college students and other community members standing around on a field using marijuana is somehow more dangerous (or damaging to the school's reputation) than a far larger group standing around and getting drunk at a school-sanctioned tailgate party prior to a CU football game," said SAFER Executive Director Mason Tvert. "After all, there has never been a single incident of violence or any student in need of being transported to detox at CU's calm and peaceful 4/20 demonstrations, whereas CU football games tend to entail hundreds of serious incidents, several arrests and a number of students being taken to detox."
In other 4/20-related news, on tax deadline day last week Allen St. Pierre, executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, posed in front of the General Post Office in Midtown Manhattan with "an oversized $14 billion check made out to the US Treasury Department." The sum represents an estimate of the taxpayer money saved by repealing cannabis prohibition, plus the revenue from a tax on legal marijuana. (You could also add the tens of billions of dollars that pot smokers would save as a result of eliminating the artificially high prices caused by prohibition, money that would then be available for saving, investing, or spending—a.k.a. "economic stimulus.") Today NORML launched a nationwide TV ad campaign seeking new members at "the celebratory one-day price of $4.20."
A couple of years ago I explored the excise tax potential of legal pot, arguing that the real bonanza would be the consumer savings. I also noted speculation about how 4:20 and 4/20 acquired their cannabis connotations.
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"You could also add the tens of billions of dollars that pot smokers would save as a result of eliminating the artificially high prices caused by prohibition, money that would then be available for saving, investing, or spending-a.k.a. "economic stimulus"."
No one is making them by weed.
"No one is making them by weed."
God I hate Americans.
Groups like SAFER are a perfect example of the bullshit propaganda mechanisms that spring up on campus to socially reinforce the drinking age laws.
Nobody wants to get busted by the police, so they are forced to pay lipservice to anti-drinking rhetoric. It's less about anyone thinking drink is bad then about keeping students from getting arrested.
That's the point. People are buying marijuana at artificially inflated prices. That money is already being spent. Legalization would put that money into the system instead of the black market. Since weed would be cheaper, that money would get reallocated to other legal businesses.
I can't believe Nabisco hasn't lobbied for legalization by now. All that money saved would go to buy more Doritos.
I have stood around (and sat around) both quaffing brew and 420ing outside of Folsom Field prior to Buffalo games. I was not aware that CU sanctioned my tailgating activities.
Nevertheless, what a great spot for partying and taking in big time college football!
a far larger group standing around and getting drunk at a school-sanctioned tailgate party prior to a CU football game
It's really, really stupid to demonize one drug in order to try to un-demonize another, because you are still supporting the concept of demonization. The MJ groups need to get this through their thick skulls, because they do it all the time.
That money is already being spent. Legalization would put that money into the system instead of the black market.
You are making it sound like a "black market" market of color is not a part of the market as a whole.
Uh, Hazel Meade, what the hell are you talking about?
Nick-
Dominos, too!
Epi-
Or, when in Boulder, do what Libertymike has done!
Word of note, I will be 420 free all day. Actually, every day is 420 free for me.
I don't like MJ legalization groups bashing alcohol either, but if by doing so they can point out that marijuana is generally safer than alcohol (which it is), good for them.
It makes the law seem even stupider than if they were equally dangerous.
Is it everyone's favorite holiday already?
When I was in San Francisco, I took a picture of the Haight-Ashbury intersection for my pot-smoking, just-missed-being-a-hippie father. There was a clock just beneath the street signs and later I noticed that I took the photo at was at exactly 4:20pm. Like, totally spooky, man.
Other fun 4/20 stuff: in Vancouver, people advertising on Craigslist will let potential roommates know that they're "4:20-friendly."
I will likely attend the festivities but probably won't be participating, though. It's always great to walk by norlin with thousands of people getting high and then see a tour group of parents and their children on the opposite side of the building.
ooops. My brain was still over in the MADD trhead.
"It's really, really stupid to demonize one drug in order to try to un-demonize another, because you are still supporting the concept of demonization. The MJ groups need to get this through their thick skulls, because they do it all the time."
Dude they're potheads. What do you expect?
hehehehehehehe
Isn't 4/20 the number of friends you have before/after they find out you have pot?
"Isn't 4/20 the number of friends you have before/after they find out you have pot?"
You here all week?
"Dude! That was my skull! I'm so wasted!"
And of course, thread-appropriate:
"Oh Gnarly! 420!"
There was a time, not so long ago, when $14 billion actually seemed like a lot of money. God, how naive I was then!
Octobama,
"You here all week?"
For the rest of your life...
Legalization would put that money into the system instead of the black market.
Does it matter, from a global economic activity perspective, whether the money is spent in a white, gray, or black market? Is $80 that I spend on a bottle of single malt more economically productive than $80 I spend on pot? I don't see why.
As much as I adore references to the Oregon boundary dispute, I would kinda have preferred a reference to the guy whose birthday this is and how SAFER is keeping the proverbiial flame lit.
But think of all of the dealers and violent drug traffickers that would be put out of work! These are good American jobs. Haven't thought about what legalization would do to them, now have you?
Now, stop being silly. I don't think that SAFER wants to make alcohol illegal. They are just pointing out the fact that alcohol is more dangerous than pot and causes more damage. Which is true. The point is that the laws are irrational. As long as they are not trying to make booze illegal, I could really give a fuck if they want to demonize it.
How do you connect this to Hitler, jaybird?
I think this is the free market in action. The chancellor is just trying to protect his brand's image (colorado school is stoner heaven!) in order to appeal to the actual consumers of his product: the parents of the students.
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420, Bob!
This is how it starts, Zeb.
This is the 1936 Olympics all over again.
Does it matter, from a global economic activity perspective, whether the money is spent in a white, gray, or black market? Is $80 that I spend on a bottle of single malt more economically productive than $80 I spend on pot? I don't see why.
I'm no economist, but I think the idea is that criminalization makes the price of pot artificially high. That screws up the efficient allocation of resources. Efficient allocation is further screwed up because dealers spend money on things they otherwise wouldn't have to, such as guns, lawyers, protection, etc.
STFU LoneWackoff!
Does it matter, from a global economic activity perspective, whether the money is spent in a white, gray, or black market?
Who cares? In the real world the black market causes a lot of social ills that we'd be a lot better off without.
It's one thing to advocate for unfettered markets if you believe they will generate the most amount of good. It's another to advocate for them not caring if they do or not.
Stupid Paleo:
"Cosmo's think legalizing pot, but letting the government tax it, is some kind of improvement? Humbug! I'm against anything less than no government involvement at all, and so I would oppose any measure to legalize pot that included one iota of government involvement in its sale and use!"
RC-
If for $80 you could get more stuff rather than less stuff, then that is a good thing.
Stupid Paleo:
"Oh shut up thoreau with your fancy book learning! Cosmotarian! I bet you even like fancy lettuce in your salad and reading the Koran instead of the Holy Bible before you go to bed at night..."
Legalize It!
That screws up the efficient allocation of resources.
I can see that. I think I was hung up on the "economic stimulus" language, which gets to the amount of money spent, not what it is spent on.
If it was legal, a crapload of people who smoke would grow their own, which I think is something the "tax 'em up" people aren't really thinking of. But if the idea of massive tax windfalls helps push legalization, then let me say I could be entirely wrong on the above point.
Currently, (with the possible exception of Alaska and one or two other states) if you grow your own, you can easily get charged with "manufacturing" and "trafficking" regardless of whether you sell / give any to anyone else or not. This moronic state of affairs pushes people to participate in the "black" market.
Happy 4:20 East Coast, EnjoY!
It is the divide and ridicule on display in these comments that are the reason that no one takes the libertarian party seriously...
Learn to make a cogent argument, learn to interact with dissenting opinions with some empathy, or go hang out on the left with the rest of the intolerant droves of the future...
It is the divide and ridicule on display in these comments that are the reason that no one takes the libertarian party seriously...
Well, I'm sure the small minority of people on this board who are actually in the Libertarian Party are going to take your comments under consideration.
Ok Daniel, please inform us of the cogent reasoning and thoughtful public policy ideation behind laws that throw people in prison for marijuana possession. Please explain to us how these laws benefit individuals and society.
BP,
You remember the anonymity-bot from a few months ago, how it would sort of make an agreeing post on topic? I swear some industrious troll has made a disagree-bot that skims the thread and attempts to make up an insult based on keywords. I think that explains these one-off "mean libertarians" posts.
A key question is whether we continue a system in which all of the money flows to criminals and guns, or do we legalize and tax marijuana so the money can flow to the public treasury and rebuilding America?
Support a personal use and cultivation permit: $100 for twelve plants. Let's let ordinary Americans grow a little marijuana in their own backyards and put the criminal cartels out of business.
I support marijuana use for those who can handle it and still be productive. The couch-sitting stoners should probably be thrown in prison anyway for being useless.
No matter how much gage I smoke my anal lube still tastes like shit.I think the friction does something to the strawberry flavoring.
Pot isn't illegal because people use it to get high. It will never be legalized because established food, fuel and fiber industries (who spend millions on lobbyists) don't want to compete with industrial hemp.
A little disappointed her I expected to get back and see a funny stoned thread tonight, but no such luck. whats UP with ya'll?
Daniel | April 20, 2009, 4:29pm | #
It is the divide and ridicule on display in these comments that are the reason that no one takes the libertarian party seriously...
Learn to make a cogent argument, learn to interact with dissenting opinions with some empathy, or go hang out on the left with the rest of the intolerant droves of the future...
I take it back, that was some funny shit.
"Industrial hemp", why do you think they call it dope?
Marihuana is illegal because Negro jazz musicians use it to seduce young white girls.