Wait, Democrats Now Say They Love Freedom?
Plus: Does the government own too much land in Utah? And the latest response to Friends star Matthew Perry’s drug overdose death.

In this week's The Reason Roundtable, editors Matt Welch, Katherine Mangu-Ward, Nick Gillespie, and Peter Suderman reminisce on the supposed joy and freedom on offer during last week's Democratic National Convention (DNC) and assess Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s decision to essentially drop out of the presidential race.
02:36—At the DNC, Democrats showcase their misunderstanding of freedom.
25:05—RFK Jr. suspends his campaign for president in 10 key states, endorses Donald Trump
41:22—Weekly Listener Question
48:27—Telegram founder Pavel Durov is arrested in France.
54:02—The continued fallout from Matthew Perry's death
56:14—This week's cultural recommendations
Mentioned in this podcast:
"Thank God It's Over," by Liz Wolfe
"Manufacturing Joy at the DNC," by Matt Welch
"Democrats Are Talking About 'Freedom' Because Voters Really Like Freedom," by Eric Boehm
"Party of COVID-19 Authoritarianism Improbably Rebrands as 'Party of Freedom,'" by Matt Welch
"Democrats Aren't the Freedom Party," by Liz Wolfe
"Criminal Justice Reform Took a Back Seat at the 2024 DNC," by C.J. Ciaramella
"An Over-Orchestrated Rebellion: Dispatch From the DNC," by Nancy Rommelmann
"America Is Ready To Party," by Matt Welch
"Nobody Cared About Bernie's Speech," by Liz Wolfe
"Democrats Just Can't Quit Saving Our Souls," by Matt Welch
"Industrial Policy Is Alive and Well at the Democratic National Convention," by Joe Lancaster
"The Anarchist Dreams: Dispatch From the DNC," by Nancy Rommelmann
"Muted Outrage and Aspirational Crowds: Dispatch From the DNC," by Nancy Rommelmann
"Democrats Unburdened by What They Have Done to Chicago," by Matt Welch
"Kamala Harris' Plan To Hike Corporate Income Taxes Would Fall on All Americans," by Eric Boehm
"Trump and Harris' Economic Plans Are Depressingly Similar," by Veronique de Rugy
"Kamala Harris' Affordability Agenda Is a Good Idea Backed by Terrible Policies," by Peter Suderman
"The Dumb and Dumber of Kamala's 'Greedflation' Narrative," by Jason Sorens
"Who Is the Real Kamala Harris? A Big Government Liberal." by John Stossel
"Economic Liberty Now Has No Place in Either Party," by Peter Suderman
"RFK Jr.: The Reason Interview," by Nick Gillespie and Zach Weissmueller
"RFK Jr. Spread Some Libertarian Ideas, Then Sold Out to Trump," by Robby Soave
"At Rally, RFK Jr. Says He'll Stop Forever Wars, Seed Oils From Trump's Cabinet," by Christian Britschgi
"Chase Oliver: Q&A With the Controversial Libertarian Party Candidate," by Nick Gillespie
"Storm Over the Rockies: The West Is at War With Itself," by Karl Hess Jr.
"Battle Over Western Lands Is Far Bigger Than the Bundy Controversy," by J.D. Tuccille
"Why do the feds spend so much to make our Western wilderness theirs?" by Leonard Gilroy
"Is Pavel Durov the Next Julian Assange?" by Nick Gillespie
"Putin and the Ayatollah Wanted To Censor This App. Now It's Macron's Turn." by Matthew Petti
"Matthew Perry, Drug Abuse, and Prohibition," by Nick Gillespie
"Matthew Perry's Death: Doctors, Perry's Assistant and More Charged in Drug Investigation That Revealed 'Underground Criminal Network'" by Ethan Shanfeld and Ellise Shafer
"Charlie Hustle Agonistes," by Nick Gillespie
Who would have guessed going into this year's RNC and DNC that aesthetically the Dems would have presented as more @WonderBreadUSA, church-and-family-loving, mom-and-apple pie & the GOP was like a JV version of the Gathering of Juggalos? pic.twitter.com/wPrROYpYzn
— Nick Gillespie (@nickgillespie) August 23, 2024
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Everyone was free to vote for Kamala in the primaries.
Oops! They did not.
We are in the "make me" phase of civilization.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I've won the same number of delegates as Kamala.
Also, the Democrats "love" freedom like a pedophile "loves" children.
They don't love Freedom. They love Fweedumb.
They love to make fun of it.
I love to see the extermination of Marxists.
Next they will say something really stupid like at least they recognize the constitution.
Outer voice, "We believe in the constitution" Inner voice, "We believe the constitution is over there bleeding to death in the corner where we stabbed it".
Will this be conversation about negative vs positive rights, or a strawman slaughterhouse?
For example freedom lovers tout the positive right to bears arms while government defenders tout the positive right to feel safe from guns.
Negative rights, the ones libertarians promote, require only no interference.
Positive rights, the ones the duopoly defend, require force.
PLEASE defend my "freedom from want" by taking YOUR money for MY benefit!
PLEASE defend my "freedom from stolen erections" by taking YOUR votes for MY benefit! (Spermy Daniels agrees! Her Man's stolen erections HURT Her, AND MEEEE, and BADLY so!!!)
(Democracy, Schmemocracy, damn-Shit!!!)
Your argument is Pence SIEVE at best.
2A is a positive right? Is this how you’re sneaking in gun grabbing while still maintaining a pretense of being libertarian?
I wasn't gonna say it. Just let him stew in the stupidity. Then again, he thought it sucked Rittenhouse defended himself.
And he’s totes cool with Ashli Babbit being executed by that crooked cop.
The looter kleptocracy media wrestling match requires the commies to listen to liars saying access to energy will kill the planet, and requires islamic girl-bulliers to listen to liars who say plant leaves cause reefer madness and individual rights mean race suicide. Each mob of simians seeks to initiate deadly force on the public over different fallacies. Only by voting libertarian can you assert--on the permanent record of history--a preference for freedom over coercion. Let faceless liars to the contrary eat ordure and perish!
As I predicted former Democrat and current enemy of the state has endorsed Trump.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-dem-rep-tulsi-gabbard-endorses-trump-in-surprise-appearance-at-michigan-event/ar-AA1ptmVd?ocid=BingNewsSerp
Meanwhile,
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/more-than-200-bush-mccain-romney-alums-endorse-harris-for-president-criticize-trump/ar-AA1psM8E
If you don't know who to vote for in November you ain't libertarian.
If you don't know by now, you ain't conscious.
Wait, they want you to vote FOR one of these numbskulls? Their whole schtick seems to be about proving why you shouldn't vote for any of them.
Really? We already had four years of Trump. Aside from the bump stock ban, not pushing back hard enough on spending, and COVID shenanigans that were really the fault of state governors, things weren’t too bad. At least from the perspective of the executive branch’s responsibilities during that time.
And really, who else can fight back against the deep state as president and weather it as well as Trump did? Pretty much everyone else would be run out of office or knuckle under if they had to endure all the backstabbing Trump got from the democrats and RINOs. Especially with the DNC propaganda news outlets hammering them constantly.
^ABSOLUTELY THIS^
To be fair, I forgot to mention the mean tweets.
They were oh so very, very mean... Poor Don Lemon.
No! The tweets!
You left off the 24hr/7 negative stories, and the made up charges.
I can separate the man from policies. I'll be honest this version of Trump is a lot better than 2016/2020.
Shrike will be along shortly to say why he agrees with them, solidifying his descent into Bushpigism.
She is on the terror list proving jeffsarc correct.
Did Jeffy absorb Sarc into the oozing blob of blubber that comprises his unholy shambling mass? If so, was it like when the alien from John Carpenter’s ‘The Thing’ would absorb. And copy someone? Or did he just eat Sarc?
Either way, I favor getting some flame throwers and hunting the JeffySarc down and destroying it once and for all.
Yeah. Jeffsarcshrikeduck has become an amorphous blob of leftists cosplaying as liberaltarians.
That made me think of this:
https://southpark.cc.com/video-clips/uauz8f/south-park-a-bulbous-monstrosity
Don't listen to what democrats say, look at what they do.
(hint: freedom has nothing to do with it)
Getting “free money “ from the government isn’t freedom?
Freedom from responsibility. Freedom from work.
Reminds me of FDR adding his 4th Freedom.
Freedom from Want: The absence of poverty, hunger, and economic insecurity, ensuring that people have access to basic necessities like food, shelter, and healthcare.
And now extends to the entire globe.
Just make it freedom from adulthood. That fits the Democrat nanny state best.
Freedom from stolen erections! Freedom from WRONG votes!!!!
Yep. Gary's 4.3M spoiler votes reshuffling 127 electoral electoral votes unintentionally, assisted by the invisible hand of reprisal, got Donnie elected after losing by nearly 3 million votes. No Libertarian wanted either looter to win. But voters who understand the difference between a lever 6 inches long and a lever 3/16" long whopped that mule upside the haid with the 2x4. Thet mule learnt half the lesson. Women now vote Dem, but refusers of gin and cigarettes have good reason to vote Libertarian rather than against what we want. https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2024/08/16/voting-for-freedom/
They already raised the max age of childhood to 24 for student financial aid purposes and to 26 for health care.
If the human brain doesn't finish developing until 25-26, then that should be the minimum voting age. Not 18.
Another walk back
https://x.com/RyanAFournier/status/1828212021260616089?t=H9dN6dOBfxBDRpMhml3KYw&s=19
BREAKING: Mark Zuckerberg just penned a letter to Congress stating that he has regrets over assisting the Biden/Harris administration censor COVID-era information.
[Link]
Did his widdle pwatform lose some users. The only people still using Facebook (in general) are poor and lazy. Companies have been pulling back spending on Facebook ads. Successful people with money were pushed out by a toxic environment where you had to watch what you said.
Spelling: Faecebook
Preference cascade beginning?
https://x.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1828213133837508970?t=cUBIdP5lnNK5EN6v4vS17Q&s=19
Top ActBlue Donor in Colorado Questions $230K in Donations: 'I’ve Been Retired So I don’t Have Steady Income' Amid Fundraising Suspicions
"No, my money’s not being stolen. There’s nothing there to steal," insists Sonia ImMasche, a retired Colorado resident, who has reportedly donated over $230,000 to ActBlue from 2017 to 2023. Living in a retirement home and having been retired for 21 years, ImMasche finds it hard to believe she could have contributed such a large amount. "It’s kind of expensive to live here, and I’ve been retired for 21 years, so I don’t necessarily have steady income," she explains, raising doubts about the legitimacy of these donations in her name.
ImMasche's concerns are compounded by a 2014 @nytimes article that featured her as a top donor for ActBlue, where she remarked, "It can get addictive" to keep donating. Reflecting on her history of contributions, she admits, "I started out giving like $25 a month." However, she has since scaled back, saying, "Now I'm down to $10 and $15 at the most."
Despite her conviction that no one is using her name fraudulently, ImMasche acknowledges that her son was alarmed by the volume of contributions, stating, "My son was having a breakdown. He was tracking my credit card and was going, ‘My God, you're donating way too much to politics.’" While she stands by the small amounts, she admits, "I’ve cut back quite a bit. Living here has kind of cut into my finances."
ImMasche’s situation is part of a larger pattern emerging across the country, where donors are linked to massive sums they struggle to account for.
Act blue should refund her 2x the money she "donated"
Retired for 21 years, donated a quarter million dollars to Dem activist and still able to live in a retirement community?
I bet her son WAS freaking out. His entire inheritance is probably down the shitter.
Retired for 21 years, donated a quarter million dollars to Dem activist and still able to live in a retirement community?
Well about that, there may have been hijinks around her donation figures she was unaware of.
I see Tulsi Gabbard has endorsed Trump. Mysteriously, the media has been all but silent about it. But I'm not seeing any shortage of hit pieces on RFK, Jr.
Hmmmm....
Tulsi who? That airplane terrorist?
The big orange tent keeps on getting bigger.
Who would have guessed going into this year's RNC and DNC that aesthetically the Dems would have presented as more @WonderBreadUSA, church-and-family-loving, mom-and-apple pie & the GOP was like a JV version of the Gathering of Juggalos?
Um, pretty much anyone paying attention would have guessed. Word to the wise, Democrats... when you've got Jordan Peterson riffing on the Kill Tony Podcast, you know you're not the cool kids any more.
Let's state the obvious. Democrats like trading free stuff (that bad people were forced to pay for) for votes from good people who then deserve free stuff.
The Dems abandoned "My Body, My Choice".
https://reason.com/2021/09/10/the-biden-administrations-emergency-vaccine-mandate-may-be-vulnerable-to-legal-challenges/
It cracks me up to see them yelling about false equivalency.
I'm rolling out a new workplace policy. Everybody has to sit on my dick. It isn't harassment, because it is a condition for employment for everybody. It isn't rape, because working here isn't some kind of right. It is all very clearly written out in the employee manual.
"Muh pRiVaTe ComPaNy..."
"muh private parts"
There are a few good reasons why Western states did not push for the feds to transfer their land ownership to states at the time of statehood. Notably some serious corruption/power disparities at the state level back then.
There were mostly bad reasons why the feds really wanted to hold on to their land ownership. Notably that time period was the beginning of the zero-sum Congresscritter. Any new development out West would increase population and that would take critters away from Eastern states - along with the whole silver/bimetallism/populism thing.
There are only bad reasons why the transfers still haven't happened. For those issues that need some level of multi-state land management - watershed, fire control, etc - transferring those responsibilities away from Congress and to an interstate compact would be much better
There is another reason. The federal government handles almost all aspects of what would normally be local government. If the local governments had to fund its own law enforcement, roads, fire protection, etc., the property taxes would be confiscatory and everyone would have to leave. Basically the federal ownership is a welfare program for sparsely populated states.
Do you think bankrupt CA loosing population is due to lack of population dumb*ss????
UR so Full of Sh*t. State's do fund their own law enforcement, roads, fire protection. Yet somehow it isn't State Taxes bankrupting everyone it's that 'Union' of the States who's only purpose should've been for a strong National Defense.
Faggot Welch seems to forget his entire wuflu stance
He’s talking about what can be, unburdened by what has been.
If only they could be unburdened from their prior stances. Damn commenter's remembering their terrible takes. Pay wall activate.
It is illegal for the 'Feds' to 'Commie' vast masses of land in a *real* USA. Course the [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire doesn't care. In fact they don't care so much they literally STOLE Utah land by hijacking it.
Article IV; Section 3
"Congress shall have power to dispose of" ... "the territory".
A power granted in accordance to the Land Ordinance Act.
In which newly added States would use the US Dept of Interior as the TITLE company for it's citizens land 'patients'.
Instead; the Nazi - 'Feds' decided instead of TITLING that land for citizens they'd just pretend they owned it all in complete violation of Article I Section 8 Clause 17.
"to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the *Consent of the Legislature of the State* in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings"
Literally Hi-jacked the States Land during titling transfer.
See my other comment. The states don't want an end to federal ownership. It would result in fiscal catastrophe.
Do you think it is still 1787?
Yet over and over again the State’s are demanding their Land be transferred.
UR Full of Sh*t.
Frankly; even if you weren't F.O.S. it doesn't matter. If you think the 'Feds' should be able to Communize 33% of the USA landmass get the proper Amendment to do it with. Don't just claim it all like a Hitler Authoritarian.
Would... by what premises?
Dem Dems defend democracy, by banning candidates and selecting a nominee without voter input, and now announce they are all about defending freedom too.
I guess once they saw that the Biden con was unraveling, but the con to convince people that Harris was super-qualified and full of joy and energy and the greatest candidate ever (despite never winning a single primary or holding a single press conference) was succeeding beyond their expectations of the public's gullibility, they figured they might as well pretend they are the party of freedom as well.
Democrats love freedom like Hitler loved Jews.
Obviously the Democrats are changing the English language once again. Freedom is now what they define it to be. Much like the definition of the word woman is now some undefinable word that does not mean anything because it more about feelings. We are now unburdened with the past where women had XX chromosomes and men have XY chromosomes.
Freedom now can mean the lack of individual rights, because they feel so that thus it's so. Never mind that half of the country feels differently, because their feeling don't matter, only their feelings matter.
Related to States out west where the overwhelming vast majority of the state have been stolen by the federal tyranny we call a government. It's simple and plain that the twits in Washington DC should not control the majority of Utah or any other state. People in Utah should control the majority of their states, just like the states in the midwest, south and east.
The Founding Fathers never heard of XX or XY.
And somehow they still figured out the difference between a man and a woman.
If you go back to Elmira, Matt Welch, just be sure not to blunder accidentally into Ithaca. Not a happy place for a libertarian.
The sad thing is she is going to get 48 percent of the vote. How horrible is that?
Nick says RFK's childhood diabetes and pre-diabetes number is BS, but research says otherwise.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/28/health/prediabetes-children-study-wellness/index.html
Note to foreign readers: There is an American religion whereby nameless scientist impersonators assert lies that are believed and parroted by anonymous sockpuppets.
So... the party that screamed "Fuck your freedom" now wants to claim the mantle of freedom?
Oh, and they're also claiming to be all about "joy," even though every single last one of them is a joyless parasitic scold who sucked every last ounce of fun and pleasure out of the world from spring 2020 to spring 2022.
And morons are still lapping up the regime propaganda. How stupid do people have to be to actually believe that Demo-crap?
Sure. Gary Johnson got at last count 4.3 million votes. That worked out to covering the gap between Islamic Republicans and Communist Dems in 13 states casting 127 electoral votes. Got that? Grabber Of Pussy Don slipped inside via electoral votes after losing by 2.87 million in the unwashed vote count. How? Gary's vote total was 1.43 million votes larger than the difference between kill-pregnant-bitches Donnie and bust-them-hippies Hillary. THAT spoiler clout lost the election for looters who wanted BOTH coercions. Dems backed women and won in 2020, but repeal is not in their platform. Since I want repeal, I am voting Chase/Libertarian. Only idiots believe they can get something by voting against it. Hai capito?