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First Amendment

Why the Courts Will 86 the Flagrantly Unconstitutional Charges Against James Comey

The case defies more than half a century of rulings on the “true threat” exception to the First Amendment.

Jacob Sullum | 5.5.2026 11:00 AM

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U.S. Attorney W. Ellis Boyle and former FBI Director James Comey against a backdrop of seashells in the shape of "86 47" | Max Oden/Sipa USA/than Hyman/TNS/Newscom/James Comey/Instagram
U.S. Attorney W. Ellis Boyle and former FBI Director James Comey (Max Oden/Sipa USA/than Hyman/TNS/Newscom/James Comey/Instagram)

Is it plausible that James Comey, a former federal prosecutor, deputy attorney general, and FBI director, publicly threatened to murder President Donald Trump? No, it is not. But that is what W. Ellis Boyle, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of North Carolina, claims in an indictment filed on April 28.

That improbable allegation is based on a picture that Comey posted on Instagram in May 2025 while vacationing in North Carolina. Captioned "cool shell formation on my beach walk," the photograph showed seashells arranged in the sand to form the message "86 47." According to the indictment, those four digits constituted two federal felonies, each punishable by up to five years in prison. The charges include one count under 18 USC 871, which applies to someone who "knowingly and willfully" threatens to "take the life of" or "inflict bodily harm upon" the president, and one count under 18 USC 875(c), which criminalizes interstate communications that threaten to "injure the person of another."

Those charges are based on two assumptions about the meaning of the seashell photograph, only one of which is reasonable. The "47," Boyle says, refers to Trump, who in his current term is the 47th president of the United States. No one disputes that interpretation. But Boyle also claims that "86" means kill, so that combining it with "47" forms a statement that "a reasonable recipient who is familiar with the circumstances would interpret as a serious expression of an intent to do harm to the President of the United States."

That interpretation is linguistically and legally controversial, to put it mildly. It is inconsistent with the typical slang usage of eighty-six, which originated in the mid-20th century as a reference to banning unwanted bar customers. It is also inconsistent with more than half a century of Supreme Court precedents elucidating what sorts of statements qualify as "true threats," one of the few recognized exceptions to the First Amendment. The former point reinforces the latter, since the definition of "true threats" depends on the speaker's state of mind and his audience's "reasonable" understanding of his message.

This is the second time that the Trump administration has tried to prosecute Comey, who occupies a prominent place on the president's list of enemies. "We can't delay any longer," Trump told Pam Bondi, then the attorney general, in a September 20 Truth Social post, publicly ordering her to prosecute Comey. "JUSTICE MUST BE SERVED, NOW!!!" Within five days, Trump got the indictment he demanded, which accused Comey of lying to Congress. But a federal judge dismissed that indictment two months later after concluding that the Trump loyalist who obtained it had been illegally appointed as an acting U.S. attorney.

Because Comey delivered the Senate testimony at the center of that case in September 2020, the deadline for filing charges based on what he said then has come and gone. By contrast, Comey posted his allegedly homicidal photo a year ago, so Boyle is well within the statute of limitations. But that is the only respect in which this case is stronger than the previous one, which hinged on a debatable interpretation of Comey's testimony. The new case, by contrast, hinges on an interpretation that is plainly absurd, which makes the attempt to punish Comey for his speech blatantly unconstitutional.

What Does 'Eighty-Six' Mean?

The verb eighty-six means to "reject" or "discard," according to Webster's New Universal Unabridged Dictionary. That definition derives from a more specific meaning that the dictionary also lists: to "refuse to serve" an "undesirable or unwelcome customer" at a "bar or restaurant." Webster's dates the latter meaning to the early 1960s, speculating that it may allude to a rhyme with nix.

The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) cites an earlier use of eighty-six in that sense. In 1942, the Washington, D.C., Times Herald explained that "'eighty-six' is the trade term for refusing to serve a patron any more liquor." A 1968 New York Times article likewise described "you're 86'd" as "a barroom phrase that means 'you're banned in here.'"

That meaning has been extended to other contexts. In the Mel Brooks/Buck Henry sitcom Get Smart, which ran from 1965 to 1970, the code name of the bumbling spy played by Don Adams was Agent 86, implying that he was manifestly unqualified for his job. In 1971, UPI's Hollywood correspondent referred to singers whose TV shows "have been eighty-sixed." In the 1972 movie The Candidate, a media adviser tells Robert Redford's character that he needs to "eighty-six the sideburns."

A decade later, a Miami Herald critic complained about a restaurant's limited selection of entrées: "On a menu with only 17 main dishes, we were told that nearly half had been 'eighty-sixed,' meaning unavailable." In 1990, the Binghamton Press and Sun-Bulletin reported that President George H.W. Bush had "eighty-sixed broccoli from his diet." A 2000 Los Angeles Times story about the "Y2K" problem reported that "Orange County's biggest restaurant chains" had "eighty-sixed New Year's computer gremlins." In 2010, a columnist for the Hammond, Indiana, Times noted that felony charges against a city council candidate "have been eighty-sixed." A 2020 New York Times crossword puzzle gave eighty-sixed as the clue for axed.

And so on. In its broadest sense, the OED says, eighty-six means "to reject or abandon." Applied to a politician, that could mean blocking his agenda, removing him from office, or downgrading his power.

The president's allies have been known to use eighty-six in that sense. In 2024, Matt Gaetz, a Republican who was then a Florida congressman, bragged that "we've now 86'd" former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R–Calif.), former Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, and former Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.). As a result, Gaetz said, "better days are ahead for the Republican Party."

The application of eighty-six to Trump also predates Comey's Instagram post. During a 2020 TV interview, Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat, spoke next to a table on which a sticker with the slogan "86 45" was displayed, referring to Trump's place in the presidential order during his first term. Trump's detractors also could buy T-shirts with that slogan, which were updated after he won the 2024 presidential election. During the Biden administration, Republicans likewise could advertise their politics with "86 46" stickers and T-shirts.

Given this context, it beggars belief to suppose that Comey was threatening to assassinate the president when he shared his seashell picture. In a May 3 interview on NBC's Meet the Press, Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche conceded that the slogan at the center of Comey's indictment is "posted constantly" without triggering federal charges, although he also claimed all those posts qualify as "threatening statements against President Trump." The case against Comey, Blanche averred, was bolstered by additional evidence discovered during an 11-month FBI investigation. Blanche did not specify the nature of that evidence, and neither does the indictment. 

"I posted earlier a picture of some shells I saw today on a beach walk, which I assumed were a political message," Comey wrote on Instagram after he deleted his post in response to criticism. "I didn't realize some folks associate those numbers with violence. It never occurred to me but I oppose violence of any kind so I took the post down."

As First Amendment scholar Eugene Volokh noted after the indictment, "Nothing in Comey's statement can be reasonably understood as conveying that he means to kill Trump. Rather, its reasonably understood meaning is that Comey wants Trump removed, for instance through impeachment or (as with President Nixon) resignation under threat of impeachment."

Trump portrays that explanation as transparently phony. "'86' is a mob term for 'kill him,'" he insisted on Truth Social the day after the indictment. "They say 86 him! 86 47 means 'kill President Trump.' James Comey, who is a Dirty Cop, one of the worst, knows this full well!"

Trump is right that eighty-six, depending on the context, can mean kill. In a 1990 story about a white supremacist who had been convicted of murder, for instance, the Associated Press quoted a witness who testified that the defendant had told him "I just eighty-sixed" the victim. But that usage is just one of the term's meanings. To accept Trump's definition as the only possible understanding of eighty-six, you would have to believe not only that everyone who wears an "86 47" T-shirt is advocating the president's assassination but also that Gaetz confessed to murdering McCarthy, McDaniel, and McConnell, all of whom are still alive.

This linguistic dispute is not merely a word game. It goes to the heart of the question of whether it is consistent with the First Amendment to treat Comey's Instagram post as a crime. Under the relevant Supreme Court decisions, it clearly is not.

What Is a 'True Threat'?

Sixty years before Comey was accused of threatening the president, Robert Watts faced the same charge. Watts, then 18, participated in a Vietnam War protest at the Washington Monument on August 27, 1966. "I have already received my draft classification as 1-A," he told his fellow demonstrators, "and I have got to report for my physical this Monday coming. I am not going. If they ever make me carry a rifle, the first man I want to get in my sights is LBJ."

The other protesters laughed. But as the Secret Service saw it, Watts had threatened to assassinate President Lyndon B. Johnson. The Supreme Court saw it differently in the 1969 case Watts v. United States.

"A statute such as this one, which makes criminal a form of pure speech, must be interpreted with the commands of the First Amendment clearly in mind," said the unsigned majority opinion. "What is a threat must be distinguished from what is constitutionally protected speech."

The law "requires the Government to prove a true 'threat,'" the majority noted. "We do not believe that the kind of political hyperbole indulged in by petitioner fits within that statutory term. For we must interpret the language Congress chose 'against the background of a profound national commitment to the principle that debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust, and wide-open, and that it may well include vehement, caustic, and sometimes unpleasantly sharp attacks on government and public officials.'"

The Court agreed with Watts that "his only offense here was 'a kind of very crude offensive method of stating a political opposition to the President.'" Given the context, "the expressly conditional nature of the statement," and "the reaction of the listeners," the justices said, "we do not see how it could be interpreted otherwise."

Watts, whom the Associated Press described as "a Harlem civil rights worker," was a member of a W.E.B. Du Bois Club, part of a youth organization created by the Communist Party. He probably would not have gotten along with the petitioners in Virginia v. Black, a 2003 Supreme Court case that also addressed the distinction between "true threats" and protected speech.

That case involved three men who were convicted of violating a Virginia law that made it a crime to burn a cross in a public place or "on the property of another" with "the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons." Barry Black had organized a Ku Klux Klan rally in Carroll County, which was held on private property with the owner's permission and included a cross burning. Richard Elliott and Jonathan O'Mara, by contrast, had attempted to burn a cross on the front lawn of James Jubilee, Elliott's black neighbor in Virginia Beach.

"While a burning cross does not inevitably convey a message of intimidation," Justice Sandra Day O'Connor wrote for the majority, "often the cross burner intends that the recipients of the message fear for their lives. And when a cross burning is used to intimidate, few if any messages are more powerful."

The First Amendment "permits a State to ban a 'true threat,'" O'Connor noted, and that category encompasses "those statements where the speaker means to communicate a serious expression of an intent to commit an act of unlawful violence to a particular individual or group of individuals." She added that the speaker "need not actually intend to carry out the threat." Rather, "a prohibition on true threats 'protect[s] individuals from the fear of violence' and 'from the disruption that fear engenders,' in addition to protecting people 'from the possibility that the threatened violence will occur.'"

In light of those goals, O'Connor said, "Virginia's statute does not run afoul of the First Amendment insofar as it bans cross burning with intent to intimidate." But in a section of her opinion joined by three other justices, O'Connor concluded that the law was unconstitutional because it said cross burning "shall be prima facie evidence of an intent to intimidate," which according to the model jury instruction meant that conduct, by itself, was sufficient to infer the requisite intent.

Does Intent Matter?

The state of mind required to convict someone of making threats also figured in Elonis v. United States. That 2015 case involved a Pennsylvania man, Anthony Douglas Elonis, whose Facebook posts, some of which were presented as rap lyrics under the pseudonym "Tone Dougie," alarmed his estranged wife and his co-workers at Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom.

In October 2010, Elonis posted a photograph taken during the park's Halloween Haunt that showed him in costume, holding a toy knife to the throat of a co-worker who had accused him of sexual harassment. "I wish," the caption said.

After Elonis was fired because of that message, he posted a response that mentioned "sinister plans for all my friends" and noted that he "had access to keys" for the park. "Y'all think it's too dark and foggy to secure your facility from a man as mad as me?" he wrote. "You see, even without a paycheck, I'm still the main attraction. Whoever thought the Halloween Haunt could be so fuckin' scary?"

Elonis also posted hostile remarks about his wife, who had moved out of their home with their two young children in May 2010. One example: "If I only knew then what I know now…I would have smothered your ass with a pillow, dumped your body in the back seat, dropped you off in Toad Creek, and made it look like a rape and murder." Another: "There's one way to love you but a thousand ways to kill you. I'm not going to rest until your body is a mess, soaked in blood and dying from all the little cuts. Hurry up and die, bitch, so I can bust this nut all over your corpse from atop your shallow grave."

The FBI arrested Elonis under Section 875(c), one of the statutes that Comey is accused of violating. He was convicted on four of five counts and sentenced to 44 months in prison. After Elonis challenged his conviction, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 3rd Circuit ruled that Section 875(c) does not require proof that "the speaker subjectively intended to threaten." The appeals court said the jury had been properly instructed that a statement qualifies as a "true threat" when "a reasonable person" would anticipate that it would be interpreted as "a serious expression of an intention to inflict bodily injury or take the life of an individual."

That "reasonable person" standard was deficient, the Supreme Court ruled in Elonis. The conviction "was premised solely on how his posts would be understood by a reasonable person," Chief Justice John Roberts noted in an opinion joined by six of his colleagues. "Such a 'reasonable person' standard is a familiar feature of civil liability in tort law, but is inconsistent with 'the conventional requirement for criminal conduct—awareness of some wrongdoing.' Having liability turn on whether a 'reasonable person' regards the communication as a threat—regardless of what the defendant thinks—'reduces culpability on the all-important element of the crime to negligence,' and we 'have long been reluctant to infer that a negligence standard was intended in criminal statutes.'"

That decision did not ultimately help Elonis. On remand in 2016, the 3rd Circuit ruled that the erroneous jury instruction was "harmless" because the verdict "would have been the same absent the error." Elonis therefore served his sentence despite his Supreme Court victory. And although the Court made it clear that negligence was not enough to prove a violation of Section 875(c), it did not specify what sort of culpability would suffice to establish a "true threat."

The Supreme Court took up that issue eight years after Elonis in response to a petition by Billy Counterman, a Colorado man who had bombarded a local singer, identified as "C.W." in case documents, with hundreds of Facebook messages that made her fear for her safety. While many of those messages were "utterly prosaic," Justice Elena Kagan noted in the 2023 case Counterman v. Colorado, "others suggested that Counterman might be surveilling C.W.," and "a number expressed anger at C.W. and envisaged harm befalling her." Counterman told her to "fuck off permanently," for example. He also warned her that "staying in cyber life is going to kill you" and complained that "you're not being good for human relations," adding, "Die."

Counterman was convicted of violating Colorado's law against "stalking," an offense that includes repeated communications that "would cause a reasonable person to suffer serious emotional distress" and that do in fact have that effect. He was sentenced to four and half years in prison. Under the First Amendment, Counterman argued on appeal, prosecutors had to prove that he recognized the threatening nature of his messages. The Colorado Court of Appeals rejected that argument, saying evidence of a speaker's subjective intent was not necessary.

The Supreme Court disagreed. Its decision sent the case back to the Colorado Court of Appeals, which in 2024 ordered a new trial.

"True threats of violence are outside the bounds of First Amendment protection and punishable as crimes," Kagan wrote for the majority in Counterman. "Today we consider a criminal conviction for communications falling within that historically unprotected category. The question presented is whether the First Amendment still requires proof that the defendant had some subjective understanding of the threatening nature of his statements. We hold that it does, but that a mental state of recklessness is sufficient. The State must show that the defendant consciously disregarded a substantial risk that his communications would be viewed as threatening violence."

What Convicting Comey Would Require

These precedents do not bode well for the federal case against Comey. To convict him, prosecutors must prove at least two things: that his "86 47" post is reasonably viewed as a "serious expression" of an intent to commit violence and that he "consciously disregarded a substantial risk" that it would be understood as such.

Given the various possible meanings of eighty-six, meeting that first test will be difficult. The very message at issue here is commonly communicated without homicidal intent. Americans can endorse it by wearing T-shirts or displaying bumper stickers available from online retailers such as Amazon and Etsy. According to Trump's logic, the vendors who sell such products and the customers who buy them are all guilty of threatening his life. That is hardly the view of "a reasonable person."

Like Robert Watts at the Vietnam War protest, Comey presented his message in a jocular manner. Given the ubiquity of "86 47," it is completely plausible that Comey did not consider the possibility that it would be understood as a threat of violence, let alone "consciously disregard" that supposedly "substantial" risk.

The day of the indictment, Blanche muddied those issues by faulting Comey for dissing Trump "at a time when this country has witnessed violent incitement followed by deadly actions against President Trump and other elected officials." FBI Director Kash Patel likewise conflated "true threats" with incitement, saying Comey "disgracefully encouraged a threat on President Trump's life and posted it on Instagram for the world to see." 

Under the Supreme Court's 1969 ruling in Brandenburg v. Ohio, incitement can be treated as a crime only when it involves speech that is both "directed" at encouraging "imminent lawless action" and "likely" to do so. But Comey is not charged with incitement. He is charged with threatening to kill the president.

Blanche added that "the temperature needs to be turned down," implying that Comey's offense was contributing to political acrimony. The White House levels the same charge at Democrats who call Trump a "fascist," saying their "unhinged rhetoric" encourages violence. Whatever you think of such epithets, they indisputably qualify as constitutionally protected political speech. So does Comey's seashell picture.

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  1. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

    JS;dr

    1. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 months ago

      It is just sooooo many words.

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

        tl;dr was never more apt.

      2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

        It could be ten words. Sullum isn’t worth reading.

    2. SRG2   2 months ago

      1A; FO

      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

        Treason, sedition and insurrection aren’t covered by 1A Shrike. You ought want to keep that in mind going forward.

    3. Rossami   2 months ago

      Muted again. Stop wasting our time. If you don't like Sollum's articles, just don't read them. Stop bragging about your willful ignorance.

      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

        JS;dr

        I say that with pride. And reading Sullum’s drivel increases ignorance.

      2. damikesc   2 months ago

        Sullum does not provide any fix for ignorance. He's a blithering idiot.

      3. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        You got him this time.

        Reading sullum actually gives you ignorance which you would know if you read more than sullum articles.

    4. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 months ago

      JS; dr

  2. Zeb   2 months ago

    I have to agree here. I've never known "86" to mean kill. It means to kick someone out. Seems like a call to impeach, not murder, to me.

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      They have more evidence besides the single post per all doj statements.

      This post was made while Comey was literally pushing a book regarding an assassination.

      This is a big stretch, but comey is an evil bastard who ran similar ops against many others. His abuses just during trump Russia are legion. Fuck him. I'll wait until the other evidence is released. If just this post I'll agree its wrong. But that's not what the doj is claiming.

      He was even allowed self surrender which he didnt allow for people like Navarro. Seriously fuck him.

      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

        Comey should be incarcerated in a SuperMax facility until he dies.

      2. con_fuse9   2 months ago

        Wow you are off the mark.
        Comey, according to him, refused to pledge allegiance to Trump.... And THAT alone has got all the little Trump supporter's panties in a bunch.
        So the hapless witch hunt began.
        Don't hold your breath waiting for 'other evidence' - the gang that can't shoot straight's track record doesn't hold much hope.

        1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          “According to him”

          Yeah, and Comey is a lying shitweasel. So his word means nothing. You just like him because he tried to take Trump down. It’s not like you are in any way an honest or ethical al individual yourself.

        2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

          Sorry im not as ignorant as you. Narratives are so much easier than using a brain after all.

    2. Dillinger   2 months ago

      >>I've never known "86" to mean kill.

      other people have.

      1. mad.casual   2 months ago

        Anecdote a veteran used to tell:

        They were dropping aid somewhere in Africa. Sergeant's squad was responsible for securing the area. A crowd of unarmed civilians had gathered on the other side of a fence surrounding the open ground outside whatever village where the helicopter was going to drop supplies. As the helicopter is coming in, the crowd is pressing the fence. The Sergeant leans over to his Corporal and shouts, "If they come over the fence. Let them have it." The Corporal gives him a puzzled look, lifts his rifle from his waist to his chest looks down at it and then looks the Sergeant right in the eyes. The Sergeant flattens his hand and slashes back and forth across his throat. The Corporal blades his stance and shoulders his rifle. The Sergeant makes two swift steps between them and puts his hand on the Corporal's rifle. With his other hand he points at the crowd and then points at the supplies.

        Does 86 mean "to get rid of someone" or "to get *rid* of someone"? That's why we have peers and juries.

        1. Dillinger   2 months ago

          lol I'm all "don't shoot the people!!!"

        2. con_fuse9   2 months ago

          The legal standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt" not "let the jury flip a coin"
          I mean it has been established that "fight like hell" doesn't actually mean "fight like hell"

          1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

            You mean like in all those lawfare cases against Trump?

      2. Zeb   2 months ago

        Fine, but how are you going to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he meant the less common meaning rather than the common and original meaning? Just seems like too much of a stretch. How about going after him for the real shady shit he did?

        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

          Thats what the other evidence the grand jury heard is for.

        2. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 months ago

          The process is the punishment.

          Comey deserves to get processed good and hard for the rest of his days.

          1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

            He deserves to die in a SuperMax. AI gave me this description, which comports with everything I’ve heard elsewhere.

            Supermax (Administrative Maximum) prison, such as the infamous ADX Florence in Colorado, is designed for the "worst of the worst"—inmates deemed extreme security risks, including terrorists, cartel leaders, and those who have killed staff or other inmates in lower-security prisons.Life inside is characterized by extreme isolation, profound silence, and 22-24 hour lockdown in a single cell, leading many former wardens and inmates to describe it as a "clean version of hell" or "worse than death"

            Perfect for traitors like Comey, Fauci, and most other elite democrats.

        3. Dillinger   2 months ago

          I'm not being a dick I'm just getting the charge to survive motion to dismiss and be heard by a jury

          1. mad.casual   2 months ago

            Not to mention, SOP with Sullum and Reason "From the files of Police Squad" Magazine. They guy is laying out various knives and handguns. He's got bomb schematics and diagrams of Trump with Xs on them where to fatally wound people... half a dozen vials of odorless, tasteless white powders tucked into his waistband and various pockets... he's got a noose up a shirt sleeve... but he doesn't have an Antifa membership card so, he's good.

            Again, this is James "No reasonable prosecutor would bring charges." Comey. Al Capone did some fucked up shit and only got convicted of tax evasion. J. Edgar Hoover was never convicted of anything. When I worry about the fall of the Republic, the infringement on James Comey's ability to post "86" on social media is really, really low on the list.

            1. Dillinger   2 months ago

              word. he's really tall so no way he's the bad guy.

        4. Agammamon   2 months ago

          Sometimes they're so protected all you can get them on is tax evasion.

        5. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          He should get the same ‘due process’ afforded to our president.

    3. Fu Manchu   2 months ago

      That's beside the point. Even with the extreme stretch that he did intend it to mean kill Trump, that would be legal as it's not a credible threat and isn't intended and likely to cause imminent lawless action.

    4. Agammamon   2 months ago

      '86' meaning 'to kill' is derived from the other meanings, yes. But to think that because *you* have somehow never heard this doesn't mean that its not unreasonable to expect a post-50's man to not know what it means.

      However, in a rare win, Sullum actually gets the law right - this doesn't meet, IMO, the 'true threat' threshold. However, its close enough to investigate and charge, if only to fuck with this asshole (and don't say that's not 'proper' - the Democrats have been doing this shit for decades) and to discourage others from doing the same.

      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

        I’m fine with Comey dying in prison.

      2. Ron   2 months ago

        When the boss tells his underlings to 86 some one everyone knows what it means even when he is "retired" and considering the swamp this boss left behind, with the lies they already told about the target it wouldn't surprise me if one of his soldiers decides to follow said dog whistle commands. Lets also consider this same Boss was in charge of getting his soldiers to get a bunch of basement dwelling key board warriors to attempt to kill a governor. So there may have been more than meets the eye in that sea shell arraingement

    5. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 months ago

      There is a Japanese series called 86: Eighty Six. The premise of the series is that various racial minorities are put together in the 86th district and forced to fight in a war that there government intends them to die in.

      Which is why its titled that; they are going to 86 the Eighty Six. If a Japanese series knew the meaning of 86, I don't see it unlikely that Comey could know as well.

    6. DesigNate   2 months ago

      I’ve always known it to mean “get rid of”. That’s nebulous enough to mean kill OR just remove from the situation (though I always understood it as the former, especially in regards to law enforcement and armed services).

      Absent other evidence, it was probably less a “true threat” and more a “call to arms”, though in the wake of two failed attempts, it’s easy to see how a normal person could take it as a true threat.

  3. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Still hilarious that sullum cheerled every bullshit case against conservatives. Ignored abuses of J6 while again cheerleaders it. Ignored Mackey. Cheered judicial abuse against Alex Jones. Cheered lawyers losing their licenses for representing conservatives. Yet has the balls to scream flagrant violations here.

    Sullum is evil.

    1. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

      I'm sure Satan is offended by the association.

      1. damikesc   2 months ago

        Indeed. For his faults, Satan ACCOMPLISHED something.

        1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          Satan is also not an incompetent open borders Marxist retard.

  4. Neutral not Neutered   2 months ago

    WHY ? One answer. Soros.

    Soros is the law in blue America and no one should think otherwise.

    1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

      I’ve never understood why any of a dozen countries didn’t use wetworks to eliminate the entire Soros family.

  5. Dillinger   2 months ago

    to me seems more a clarion call to the masses to do the killing.

    >>That interpretation is linguistically and legally controversial, to put it mildly.

    what juries of peers and motions to dismiss are for.

    1. mad.casual   2 months ago

      Also, that's the whole point of euphemisms, plausible deniability, and "stochastic martyrs".

      The retardation continues to be tiresome.

  6. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

    An entire article devoted to nonsense. Wow. The only thing of interest in the whole piece concerns 'whether intent matters." It is a matter of record that, while most state and local law requires intent to convict, at the Federal level, most laws do not require an allegation or proof of intent to violate the law or commit a crime.

  7. windycityattorney   2 months ago

    I am so glad that after all the accusations of lawfare in the previous administration; this administration has taken a clear stance of not letting politics and political grudges get in the way of DOJ decision making and charging decisions.

    No Sir. Not on Trump's DOJ watch! This DOJ doesn't cling to past grudges and personal slights.

    In related news, Trump's DOJ has indicted a person in New York who once wrote an OP/ED that Trump's obviously fake hair piece looked like a 'dying bird's nest' with FBI director Kash Patel citing new linguistic research evidence that "bird's nest" was an obvious allusion to a sniper's nest and really meant a threat to kill Trump.

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Only democrats are allowed to abuse the system shouted the leftist.

      1. windycityattorney   2 months ago

        I am not the one who went in front of Congress and took an oath to answer questions and lied my ass off.

        The DIFFERENCE if you would note; is that the people Biden's DOJ went after were often involved in actual criminal behavior. Like Trump and the obstruction of justice he carried out to refuse to return classified documents. I mean, they lied in a sworn declaration. Pretty easy to prove that. Trump's DOJ, on the other hand, pursues the flimsiest shit cases imaginable.

        Care to make a prediction how this one turns out JesseAz? I understand you are confident that the unknown 'other evidence' Blanche has vaguely referenced will somehow make a difference. I am skeptical that the former FBI director had any real plans to actually kill the sitting president and am quite convinced Todd Blanche is a corrupt lying mouthpiece for Trump. But you do you.

        1. damikesc   2 months ago

          Any idea why Biden was never charged for having classified documents?

          Could care less if "he returned them when asked" --- Senators should have never had them in the first place ever. He had them for well before his time as VP.

        2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          Comey only wanted to encourage all these would be Democrat assassins. He should be out in origin for life.

        3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          You are a lying pile of TDS-addled lefty shit who should fuck off and die, windycitybullshitter.

        4. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

          Why do you continue to come in here and prove the point you aren't actually a lawyer?

          You dont even know the standards of Egan v navy lol. And youre fine with government created crimes as the entire raid was predicated on a false Biden DoJ claim of reclassified documents.

    2. Agammamon   2 months ago

      You don't like lawfare? Then remember these examples when your party is back in power. Until then you're getting what you gave.

  8. Spiritus Mundi   2 months ago

    Normal person, no big deal.
    The guy who launched an unsuccessful coup, big deal.

    Context matters

  9. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 months ago

    "what did Reason's jacob sullum write about trump's 2nd impeachment

    "Jacob Sullum, a senior editor at Reason magazine, wrote in favor of Donald Trump's swift second impeachment following the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot, arguing that it was a necessary step to hold a president accountable for grave violations of the Constitution and to deter future abuses of power. Key points from Sullum’s analysis of the second impeachment include:

    "Support for Impeachment: In a January 9, 2021, article, "The Case for a Swift Impeachment," Sullum argued that Trump's actions warranted removal from office to prevent similar future misconduct, noting a pattern of impunity for presidential abuses, including those by previous administrations.

    "Focus on Incitement: While acknowledging that Trump's lawyers tried to parse his words, Sullum viewed the events as part of a dangerous pattern of inciting violence and challenging democratic norms."

    1. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 months ago

      "Whatever you think of such epithets, they indisputably qualify as constitutionally protected political speech."

      TDS is real folks. Sullum is the poster boy.

    2. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

      Thanks for what I was too lazy to look up.

  10. perfectlyGoodInk   2 months ago

    "The president's allies have been known to use eighty-six in that sense. In 2024, Matt Gaetz... bragged that "we've now 86'd"... McCarthy (R–Calif.), ... Ronna McDaniel, and... McConnell... During the Biden administration, Republicans likewise could advertise their politics with '86 46' stickers and T-shirts."

    So, if this isn't a politically motivated charge, we'd expect to see similar charges against Gaetz and anybody who bought/sold those shirts.

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Just like we saw with democrats and their charges right?

      We are in the mutually assured destruction phase due to ever increasing abuses by the left. You cant put the horses back in the barn now.

      The only way for abuses to stop ramping up is by adding conequences to prior abuses.

      But that's not what sullum advocates. He declares any consequence for prior abuses to be retaliation.

      The guy caught altering evidence for warrants during trump Russia got zero time and kept his law license.

      1. Fu Manchu   2 months ago

        Keep clinging to your false victimhood narrative. You guys are a bunch of pussy snowflakes that cry when you're held accountable for your crimes.

        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

          And speaking of my favorite drunk leftist. He is a perfect example who believes abuses are a valid tool of the democrats and often even advocates for abuses by unelected deep state officials.

          Sarc has screamed and cried even at criticism of the abusive acts of democrats. A great example of the issue with one sided acceptance of abuses.

          His response to an explicit example of the left not being held accountable is more promised revenge. Sarc is a piece of shit leftist like that.

        2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          Pussies? You’re the one who threatened to come kick my ass then hid from me here for three years.

          You democrats are all pussies. Weak, craven little cowards just surging with estrogen.

        3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          "...You guys are a bunch of pussy snowflakes that cry when you're held accountable for your crimes..."

          You're a slimy pile of lying TDS-addled lefty shit who forgives all lefties of responsibility.
          Fuck off and die, asswipe.

      2. Nelson   2 months ago

        “ Just like we saw with democrats and their charges right?”

        Do you understand what whataboutism is?

        Or are you past caring whether your posts have any credibility or validity whatsoever?

        1. Juliana Frink   2 months ago

          "Do you understand what whataboutism is?"

          A simple question that is so artfully deceitful it reveals just how alert we must be to the relentless nature of propaganda.

          First, to be queried on whether one "understands" whataboutism is a slick way of giving the accusation some sort of gravity it doesn't deserve; Shouting WhAtAboUtIsM(!) every time someone shines a light on blatent hypocrisy is just plain disingenuous. But when you think about it, it actually amplifies the hypocrisy while trying to deflect from it.

          Second, the use of the term, primarily by the "left" has exploded. I wonder why. Could it be that they are feeling suddenly exposed in their lies? If Saul Alinsky had written his anti-libertarian screed today he probably would have devoted an entire chapter to it. But he wasn't able to predict, in his time, the extent to which progressives, drunk with their huge grabs of power during this Brave New Century, would have revealed their most tyrannical aspirations without a care for all to see. So their hypocrisy is everywhere on full display. And we see it. Every day. We're going to call them out on it until the balance is restored, and that has a long, long way to go at this point. So they must deflect as best they can. Too bad. Backlash is a bitch.

          Third, "when you're getting heavy flak you know you're over the target." The accusation of whataboutism is all about shooting down the truth. But the truth is acknowleged from the beginning by the accusation itself. Getting snippy over the dreadful faux pas of bringing it to bear is just theatrics. Shouting Whataboutism(!) just says I hate you for knowing something that can't be denied. It has no power. But it is the New Flak.

          So we are supposed to shrink back when someone screams "Whataboutism!"? When someone lets you know you're right on target you don't hold back the bomb bay doors. You open them wide. Happily.

        2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          Yes, it’s called ‘context’. Something a filthy Marxist lying hypocrite like you hates.

    2. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

      Well, if the charges against Trump weren't politically motivated we'd see charges against everyone who got a home loan or paid a lawyer for services...derpy derp somewhere else retard.

      1. LoneSnark   2 months ago

        Trump was not charged with any crime for his financial shenanigans. And the state of new york won that lawsuit. So there was apparently some merit to the case.

        1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          There was zero ,writ to the case. It was railroaded by a crooked DA, ann activist judge, and a hard left NY jury. The case was pure fiction. All based around the lie that Trump committed loan fraud because of the value he sited for Mar a Lago on his loan application. Which is absurd becasie the bank engaged multiple appraisals to make their own determination of value. Which is how every real estate loan works, because no bank ever takes the word of a borrower for any loan criteria whatsoever.

          Think harder next time before you say something dumb.

  11. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

    This has got to be one of the longest articles on Reason in recent memory, matched only by the triviality of the subject. Is this like academia, where the more trivial the dispute, the more venom spewed?

    Regardless of that, it would be interesting to dig up what Sullum wrote for the two Trump impeachments. The second was a rushed joke, ginned up in a hurry and voted down in a hurry. I had thought all previous Presidential impeachments were jokes: Andrew Johnson's was clearly political and stemmed from Lincoln choosing a southern sympathizer for VP. Clinton's was about as technically sound, but really a substitute for all the rape charges Republicans were too squeamish to push.

    Which leaves the first Trump impeachment. Obama/Biden had extorted / bribed the Ukraine government to stop investigating Hunter Biden's corrupt sweetheart deal ($1M a year to do nothing as an oil company's director) or lose foreign aid, Trump had done the exact opposite: lose the foreign aid if you don't restart that investigation. Was Jacob Sullum outraged by that?

    I know the answer. I don't have to read 3415 angry words.

    1. Fu Manchu   2 months ago

      Haha you still believe that totally false conspiracy theory about bribing Ukraine to drop an investigation. The reality is Biden pressured Ukraine to fire a prosecutor who *refused* to investigate Burisma because the prosecutor was corrupt. But what's really corrupt is your brain after huffing so much propaganda.

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Hey maddow. This is a lie and you've been shown it many times. The prosecutor gave not only already opened the investigation, he kept going when told to stop. This is literally on the record.

        But you push every known lie.

      2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

        You’re the one buying into lies. DNC lies.

        You should just kill yourself.

    2. Agammamon   2 months ago

      Its a couple comments above you. Chuck found something AI is useful for.

      >Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark) 3 hours ago
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      "what did Reason's jacob sullum write about trump's 2nd impeachment

      "Jacob Sullum, a senior editor at Reason magazine, wrote in favor of Donald Trump's swift second impeachment following the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot, arguing that it was a necessary step to hold a president accountable for grave violations of the Constitution and to deter future abuses of power. Key points from Sullum’s analysis of the second impeachment include:

      "Support for Impeachment: In a January 9, 2021, article, "The Case for a Swift Impeachment," Sullum argued that Trump's actions warranted removal from office to prevent similar future misconduct, noting a pattern of impunity for presidential abuses, including those by previous administrations.

      "Focus on Incitement: While acknowledging that Trump's lawyers tried to parse his words, Sullum viewed the events as part of a dangerous pattern of inciting violence and challenging democratic norms."

  12. Fu Manchu   2 months ago

    Holding my breath for the indictment against Poso for his 86 46 tweet.

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      From the guy who defended actions against Jones, lawyers and Mackey everyone.

      1. windycityattorney   2 months ago

        What do you know about the private suit against Alex Jones? He had tens of millions of dollars, was sued, had his own lawyer and somehow still managed to lose by default. So the 'trial' was only on damages.

        Having never lost a young child in a school shooting; I can only imagine what the parents went through. Monetizing their grief came with a cost to Jones. Punitive damages can and did stack up quick. Not sure what Sullum is supposed to say about it? Don't be a grifter asshole like Jones and you won't get sued and get hit with punitive damages?

        1. damikesc   2 months ago

          1.5 BILLION dollars does not seem excessive?

          OK.

          Just keep that precedent in mind when whining.

        2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          Great. Them I should be able to take all of you faggot leftists here for at least $10 million, each.

        3. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

          And here once again the leftist retard pretending to be a lawyer literally lies about the case.

          Judge told Jones to hand over documents. He did. Prosecution and judge without evidence then claimed Jones didnt hand over all the documents and found him in default. Literally no trial. No proof documents existed. The televised trial was damage fees because the left abused the trial process.

          Fucking retard.

  13. Fu Manchu   2 months ago

    In other news, court rules FTC violated Media Matters' 1A rights
    https://deadline.com/2026/05/media-matters-ftc-settlement-elon-musk-1236881263/

    You cultists keep cheering blatant attacks on 1A and keep losing in court.

    1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

      Wrong cult. Have you forgotten Biden's Ministry of Disinformation, all that collusion with the media? Or was that all upside down too, with Biden on the side of Truth, Justice, and the American Way?

      1. LoneSnark   2 months ago

        Biden did not threaten to pull anyones broadcast license if they didn't comply with his demands.

        1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          No, he just had his DOJ try to out his political enemies in prison, including J6 detainees. Many of whom were held for years without bail.

          Want to pull any harder on that thread?

  14. Purple Martin   2 months ago

    Having rented his name to hospitality industry projects throughout his career, failed real estate developer Trump is naturally entirely unaware of the common, long-time bar & restaurant (and broader societal) use of "86" as "remove" or "throw out."

    No, since Trump much prefers the company and morals of gangsters and mobbed-up wiseguys, his first thought is of the far more limited use of 86 as one of many euphemistic mob synonyms for murder (i.e., wack, hit, ice, or for the more literary mobster, rid me of this turbulent priest). So, that's where the subservient lickspittle and once-skilled attorney Todd Blanche, went.

    And that argument is what they're putting in front of a federal court judge? Good luck with that.

    1. damikesc   2 months ago

      I love that you, an absolute nobody of not import to anybody, can call anybody a failed anything and not see the sheer irony.

    2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

      Trump is very successful. You’re just a deluded, lying, Marxist retarded spreading discredited DNC talking points.

      Given that there is nothing more to you than that, I see no reason you shouldn’t immediately end your own life.

      1. Moderation4ever   2 months ago

        Trump seems to be successful in selling his brand. There is little to indicate he is successful outside of that being a salesman for the brand.

        1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 months ago

          Little, huh? Geezus

        2. damikesc   2 months ago

          Yup, he only revitalized NYC. No biggie.

        3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          Many of his real estate venture are wildly successful. As is his Truth Social media platform. But all you know is DNC propaganda, which has nothing to do with reality.

    3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      "...Having rented his name to hospitality industry projects throughout his career, failed real estate developer Trump..."

      You really are a pathetic piece of TDS addled, unlettered, pile of lying shit, aren't you.

  15. Heraclitus   2 months ago

    Context matters. Many many many people are advocating impeachment or the 25th amendment. Only a handful of nutjobs is advocating assasinaton. So even if we accept Trump's mob-biased interpretation against the long history of the usage of 86, context favors Comey.

    The other piece of context is that Trump absoluetly deserves impeachment and removal via the 25th amendment has many strong arguments in its favor too. It thus stands to reason that Comey was advocating we remove Trump from office via impeachment or the 25th.

    Case in point, Trump bringing up the mob interpretation and pretending it is common sense when everyone understands that is an extreme interpretation. What kind of sane, competent leader does this? They don't, hence, remove him from office.

    The only way this case even makes sense is if they have proof that Comey was part of a conspiracy to assasinate Trump. But it took them 11 months? And after trying to indict him on other flimsy pretenses last fall? Extraordinary prosecutions require extraordinary proof. At the very least, they need to communicate to the public their reasons. They are not doing that. Hence, they are abusing their power and Trump should be impeached. Just do it congress. Get it over with so we can move on already.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      "...Context matters..."

      So does some measure of intelligence; you lose.
      Fuck off and die, shitstain.

    2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

      “A handful of nut jobs”

      Which consists of nearly the entire democrat party.

    3. Thoritsu   2 months ago

      Herculite? What?

    4. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

      So some democrats are screaming about getting rid of Trump? Who cares? I thought we were talking about people. All you shitweasels do is plot to kill him.

      You and your fellow travelers belong in cages

  16. Fred12345   2 months ago

    Has Jacob seen all of the evidence? Maybe the judge should dismiss the jury and just ask Jacob what to do.

    1. Moderation4ever   2 months ago

      There is no evidence. If they actually had evidence on James Comey AG Bondi would have used it.

      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

        Nope. Try again, you dirty pinko traitor.

  17. CharlieG   2 months ago

    It is wild you're implying Comey has no means or ability to set up an assassination. Trump was impeached for his words, a few lawsuits were made against him for his words, what's good for the goose is good for the gander

  18. Clipton   2 months ago

    I knew Sullum would get a boner over this case....

    But he typically can't resist overstating his argument in his hatred of the Trump Administration. The case is legally problematic but it's simply wrong to state, as the headline does, that it's "unconstitutional" to even bring the indictment. There's no such thing as an "unconstitutional" indictment, only one that fails after judicial scrutiny based upon Constitutional grounds.

    1. LoneSnark   2 months ago

      What a weird claim. The case will be thrown out the grounds that it violates the constitution, that means the indictment was unconstitutional.

      1. Clipton   2 months ago

        Not really. The term "unconstitutional" in its conventional application means general courses of conduct (or the prohibition of them) which are generally classified as "unconstitutional." For example, it's unconstitutional for the government to suppress the freedom of speech or restrict someone's right to bear arms. But that term isn't used to describe every single civil or criminal case in which those rights are implicated. If a person is prosecuted under a local ordinance for carrying a firearm and the statute is eventually deemed "unconstitutional" by the Supreme Court, the statute is unconstitutional but the prosecution itself wasn't because the prosecution was brought under the Constitutional laws of the state. The prosecution itself was lawful, only the statute was unconstitutional.

        Sullum was saying that Comey's prosecution ITSELF is unconstitutional which is clearly wrong because the defense of free speech has yet to be litigated (though I suspect it will be succesful, as it should be). It would have been more accurate for the headline to state, "Comey Prosecution Likely To Fail On First Amendment Grounds." But Sullum hates Trump so much his mind is blurred to that distinction and perhaps yours is as well.

  19. Thoritsu   2 months ago

    I wish, I wish, I wish, I wish

    Candidate for the longest nothing burger ever!

    Thank god they didn’t get the last one to court and expose the whole of us…

  20. jack murphy   2 months ago

    such pearl clutching by the tender trump fans. to all the regular folks 86 is bouncer speak for "toss 'em out". maybe tom clancy thinks its more nefarious but he is a writer who makes up pretend stories.

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