The FBI Thinks Renee Good's Anti-ICE Activism Is Relevant in Deciding Whether Killing Her Was Justified
It is hard to see how, since that question hinges on what happened the morning that an ICE agent shot her.
A few hours after an immigration agent fatally shot Renee Good in Minneapolis last Wednesday, Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem said the 37-year-old activist was engaged in "domestic terrorism" at the time of her death. "This is classic terrorism," Vice President J.D. Vance agreed the next day. Noem reiterated that description during a contentious interview with CNN's Jake Tapper on Sunday, saying, "If you look at what the definition of domestic terrorism is, it completely fits the situation on the ground."
FBI agents charged with investigating the shooting reportedly are now trying to support that characterization by examining Good's ties to groups that oppose the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) crackdown in Minneapolis. Federal investigators are also looking into protest activities by Good's widow, who was with her when ICE agent Jonathan Ross killed her. That focus on anti-ICE activism, which on Tuesday prompted the resignation of six career prosecutors in the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Minnesota, raises new questions about a probe that is supposed to determine whether Ross' use of deadly force was legally justified.
The reliability of that investigation was already in doubt for two reasons. First, Noem, Vance, and President Donald Trump have prejudged the outcome by declaring that Ross acted in self-defense. Second, Drew Evans, superintendent of the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, complained that the U.S. Attorney's Office, after initially indicating that his agency would be included in the investigation, reversed course, saying the probe "would now be led solely by the FBI."
The FBI's interest in Good's history of activism suggests an attempt to obscure the central legal issue raised by the shooting: Did Ross reasonably believe, given "the totality of the circumstances," that shooting Good was necessary to protect himself, his colleagues, or the general public from the threat she allegedly posed when she began to drive away after she was confronted by ICE agents who ordered her to get out of her car? The FBI's investigative tangent also raises the question of exactly what Noem and Vance mean by "domestic terrorism"—in particular, whether they define that term so broadly that it includes conduct protected by the First Amendment. Spoiler alert: They do.
On the day of the shooting, Noem said Good was a domestic terrorist because she "weaponize[d] her vehicle" by "attempt[ing] to run a law enforcement officer over," which "appear[ed] to be an attempt to kill or to cause bodily harm to [ICE] agents." She said Ross, "fearing for his life and the other officers around him and the safety of the public," fired "defensive shots." Vance concurred that Ross "fired in self defense" because "his life was endangered." But he also tied Good to anti-ICE protesters who are "assaulting and inciting violence against our law enforcement officers," declaring that "we're not going to give in to terrorism."
That terrorism, Vance averred, included "people trying to antagonize" ICE agents as well as people committing "acts of violence" such as "throw[ing] bricks" or firing guns. "Sometimes they dox them," he added. "Sometimes they go to their place of residence and harass their families. This is classic terrorism."
Is it? Under federal law, "domestic terrorism" involves criminal acts "dangerous to human life" that aim to "intimidate or coerce a civilian population," "influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion," or "affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping."
Some of the actions that Vance described, such as lobbing bricks at ICE agents or shooting at them, fit that definition. But other tactics he mentioned, such as revealing the identities of ICE agents or "trying to antagonize" them in unspecified ways, sound like constitutionally protected speech.
As Reason's C.J. Ciaramella notes, Noem likewise has sought to expand the definition of domestic terrorism. Speaking to reporters last July, she said "violence" against ICE agents is "anything that threatens them and their safety," such as "doxing them" or "videotaping them where they're at when they're out on operations." Publicizing ICE operations qualifies as "violence," she suggested, because it "encourag[es] other people to come and to throw things" such as "rocks" and "bottles."
That view is consistent with Attorney General Pam Bondi's take. In a December 4 memo to federal prosecutors aimed at "countering domestic terrorism," Bondi echoed Trump's concern about the left-wing beliefs he blames for inspiring political violence. She quoted the statutory definition of domestic terrorism but then stretched it to include "organized doxing of law enforcement," "impeding" federal officers, and unspecified "targeting of public officials or other political actors."
Noem's department defines such "terrorism" broadly. Ciaramella notes that Tricia McLaughlin, assistant secretary for public affairs at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), says "doxing" includes "videotaping ICE law enforcement and posting photos and videos of them online." McLaughlin added that "we will prosecute those who illegally harass ICE agents to the fullest extent of the law." Following or recording ICE agents as they perform their public duties, DHS told Ciaramella, "sure sounds like obstruction of justice."
When Noem and Vance aver that Good was involved in "domestic terrorism," in short, they are not referring merely to her alleged assault on Ross. They are talking about a broader pattern of anti-ICE activity that includes nonviolent, constitutionally protected conduct.
On the morning of the shooting, Good had positioned her Honda Pilot sideways on Portland Avenue, near several unmarked ICE vehicles. The SUV was there a few minutes before ICE agents approached it. Although Noem claimed Good "was blocking the officers in with her vehicle," bystander video shows other cars passing the SUV, using the lane that was still open. Here is how Good's widow described what she and her wife were doing in a statement to Minnesota Public Radio: "On Wednesday, January 7th, we stopped to support our neighbors. We had whistles. They [the ICE agents] had guns."
Cell phone video that Ross recorded suggests Good and her wife were involved in ongoing protests against ICE operations in Minneapolis. Good's wife, who is wearing an orange whistle around her neck, is recording Ross as he records her. "We don't change our plates every morning, just so you know," she tells Ross. "It'll be the same plate when you come talk to us later."
Online documents that Good shared with parents at her son's school, where she served on the board, reinforce the impression that her activism predated her fatal encounter with Ross. "Thank you to families who have been on ICE watch, helping to protect their neighbors," Good said in a December 16 message described by CNN. She linked to a training document that explains how to obtain those orange whistles, which protesters use to alert the neighborhood when they see ICE agents. "ICE are untrained bullies looking for easy targets," it says. "Neighbors showing up have saved lives."
That document linked to "another guide" that "stresses nonviolent responses to ICE agents, while also encouraging a refusal to 'comply with demands, requests, and orders,'" CNN reports. "It suggests 'creative tactics,' noting that 'crowds, props, traffic, and noise can make detentions difficult [and] sometimes ICE vehicles can't move ("whoops!").' It does not specifically suggest blocking operations with a vehicle."
If that is what Good was trying to do, the ICE agents had a legitimate beef with her, and so did the motorists who had to drive around her SUV that morning. But it would be quite a stretch to describe such nonviolent tactics as "domestic terrorism," and it would be even more misleading to put perfectly legal conduct such as blowing the whistle on ICE, whether literally or figuratively, in that category.
Let's assume the FBI's investigation confirms what already seems pretty clear: that Good and her wife, who moved to Minneapolis in 2025, soon became involved in anti-ICE protests there. In what way does that illuminate the question of whether Ross was legally justified in shooting her?
Noem, Vance, and Trump say Good deliberately tried to run Ross down. That seems doubtful given her pleasant demeanor in Ross' video and the fact that she was steering to the right, away from the ICE agents, when he shot her.
Noem, Vance, and Trump also say Good's car actually struck Ross, who was standing near the left headlight when the SUV began moving forward after backing up a bit. It is hard to tell from the video evidence whether that is true, although it seems clear that any injury he suffered must have been pretty minor, since he is seen walking around without obvious difficulty after the shooting.*
Neither point is crucial in determining whether this use of force was "objectively reasonable." Even if Good was simply trying to leave rather than trying to assault Ross, and regardless of whether the car made contact with him, it would have been reasonable for him to worry about his safety when the SUV began moving, since he had positioned himself (contrary to standard police training) in front of the vehicle.
Ross quickly moved out of the way, the solution that the Justice Department recommends in situations like this. It's not clear whether he was still in the vehicle's path when he fired the first shot, which hit the lower left corner of the windshield. But he was clearly not in the SUV's path when he fired the second and third shots, which entered the car through the front window on the driver's side. When Tapper asked Noem about the justification for those shots, she noted that Ross was making a "split-second" decision, which might count in his favor even if that decision seems mistaken in retrospect.
That's assuming it made sense to think shooting Good was an effective way to neutralize the threat her car allegedly posed. The actual result was that the SUV careened down the street without guidance, stopping only after it crashed into a car parked on the left side. If anything, Ross aggravated any danger the car may have posed by killing the person who was steering it.
However you weigh those factors, Good's opinions about immigration enforcement, as reflected in her prior activism, seem irrelevant in assessing Ross' conduct. Even if she was a committed anti-ICE activist (as the documents described by CNN suggest), that hardly means she was bent on killing an immigration agent with her car. And at the time, Ross knew nothing about Good's background, so that information could not possibly have influenced his perception of the danger she posed.
"There's nothing in there that suggests attacking ICE agents or engaging in any other form of physical harm or property damage," William and Mary law professor Timothy Zick, the author of a book about the right to protest, told CNN. "This is Authoritarianism 101, where you blame the dissenters and the activists for causing their own death."
Trump reinforced that impression on Sunday. "At a very minimum," he told reporters, "that woman was very, very disrespectful to law enforcement." Good's decision to disregard an ICE agent's order to "get out of the fucking car" certainly seems reckless, especially in retrospect, but it surely was not a capital offense. And more generally, her "disrespectful" attitude toward ICE, which the FBI seems bent on confirming, tells us nothing about the legal justification for killing her.
*Addendum: On Wednesday, the New York Post, citing an unnamed DHS official, reported that Ross "suffered internal bleeding after being clipped," adding that the official "did not elaborate on how severe the internal bleeding was." CBS News likewise said "it was unclear how extensive the bleeding was," noting that Ross was treated at a hospital and released the same day.
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popcorn and mute button ready
Hope you choke on the popcorn; the world will be measurably more intelligent.
Hoping the popcorn mutes you.
BJ;dr
Her antagonism and unlawful activities are irrelevant? Maybe so if all you care about is Ross's legitimate self-defense claim.
Let's talk about Rittenhouse. Was his unnecessary presence at the protest (riot) irrelevant in his case? Legally it's irrelevant, but it certainly was a talking point in attempting to invalidate his right to self-defense.
Your dishonest arguments can be rejected on their face because you aren't willing to honestly relate or evaluate any of the circumstances.
When will we see her widow's livestream/video recording made at the same time as the ICE agents cellphone video?
Activists think that all federal agents are supposed to be like the Tower Guards at Buckingham Palace, stone-faced, stoic no matter what is said/done to them - this was classic FAFO, the two of them (victim and widow) were busy smugly (arrogantly) amping-up the situation, then the victim made a stupid mistake and drove into the agent, whose "I've been dragged for 100 yards before by one of these crazies, I'm not doing that again" sense kicked in and he pulled the trigger.
The victim's widow stood by and taunted the agent and yelled DRIVE and her partner did just that, and took a bullet.
It's tragic, it didn't have to happen, but it IS IMPORTANT to establish she wasn't just a flustered Karen caught up in this when she was just trying to get back home after dropping her kid off at school -she and her partner (the videographer) dropped their kid off at school and spent the morning yelling at and trailing ICE agents trying to do their job.
The two women intentionally inserted themselves into this situation and did everything they could to ramp up the drama for social media 'likes', and it cost some children their mom.
Again, when will we see the widow's video recordings from that morning?
Afterwards, the 'wife" cried out to the ICE agents, "Why did you have real bullets!?"
These anti ICE protesters/obstructionists think they are in a movie and they are the righteous main characters.
In their reality there are no consequences for their actions.
This time they found out that reality can be a bitch.
""These anti ICE protesters/obstructionists think they are in a movie and they are the righteous main characters.""
I think they grew up in very protective environments where consequences were practically nonexistent.
It is we can do whatever we want. and you can't touch us attitude.
Much was made of the membership of some of the J6 protesters in the Proud Boys -- I feel certain a similar justification applies to left-wing group members.
Reason needs to change it's tagline to "Libertarians for political violence and doxxing so long as it furthers the Marxist revolution."
Sorry but trying to run over an officer doing his job aiming to halt that job/policy as part of a politically motivated group would fall under that that domestic terrorism definition. She wasn't some innocent soccer mom there by accident.
Reason is not much on the NAP.
But other tactics he mentioned, such as revealing the identities of ICE agents or "trying to antagonize" them in unspecified ways, sound like constitutionally protected speech.
Don’t mind me, just testing out my new Waltz-meter
Telling ice agents you know who their kids are and where the kids go to school is kosher in jacobs world.
The mob really didnt want bad things to happen to those business owners after all.
"Trying to run over" was the initial ICE defense. If anyone believed this, and if any video showed this, they would not be talking about "but she was an ICE raid opponent," or "who cares, ICE is immune and can murder with impunity." Those you are defending have already refuted you.
Was the officer hit, yes or no dumdum?
It is amazing watching liberals twist and turn to really dumb arguments.
He was so traumatized by his assailant's lethal rear view mirror attack that it took him two days to notice the bruise .
He was taken to the hospital the same day. Why lie? Embarassed by your irrelevant contributions here?
It must suck being so irrelevant.
"The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent who fatally shot Renee Good last week in Minneapolis, Jonathan Ross, suffered internal bleeding to the torso following the incident, according to two U.S. officials briefed on his medical condition."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ice-officer-who-shot-renee-good-internal-injuries-sources-say/
49 mph is 78.85786 kmph.
It's the J6 issue: were these two peaceful protesters or violent insurrectionists pretending to be peaceful protesters?
You can keep lying all you want, nobody believes you.
"FBI agents charged with investigating the shooting reportedly are now trying to support that characterization by examining Good's ties to groups that oppose the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) crackdown in Minneapolis."
Given that ICE Watch directly insists on physically interfering with immigration enforcement, it is actually very legitimate to investigate.
"Second, Drew Evans, superintendent of the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, complained that the U.S. Attorney's Office, after initially indicating that his agency would be included in the investigation, reversed course, saying the probe "would now be led solely by the FBI.""
What? The same state that refuses to cooperate with the Feds is upset the Feds won't cooperate with them? Get the fuck outta town!
"When Noem and Vance aver that Good was involved in "domestic terrorism," in short, they are not referring merely to her alleged assault on Ross. They are talking about a broader pattern of anti-ICE activity that includes nonviolent, constitutionally protected conduct."
The increase in physical attacks on ICE agents is note...not by the author, who is an imbecile.
"Ross quickly moved out of the way, the solution that the Justice Department recommends in situations like this. It's not clear whether he was still in the vehicle's path when he fired the first shot, which hit the lower left corner of the windshield. But he was clearly not in the SUV's path when he fired the second and third shots, which entered the car through the front window on the driver's side."
It very much did hit him. And the second and third shots are immaterial. It was all one action. He will not be prosecuted as it is a blatantly obvious self-defense claim.
Don't want to get shot? Don't hit people with your car. She thought it was a game and learned the real world ain't a damned game.
"However you weigh those factors, Good's opinions about immigration enforcement, as reflected in her prior activism, seem irrelevant in assessing Ross' conduct. Even if she was a committed anti-ICE activist (as the documents described by CNN suggest), that hardly means she was bent on killing an immigration agent with her car."
Well, since you cannot write or reason, maybe you are great at channeling the dead and asking them questions. Otherwise, you are making an assumption with zero evidence to base it upon.
As usual.
"That's assuming it made sense to think shooting Good was an effective way to neutralize the threat her car allegedly posed. The actual result was that the SUV careened down the street without guidance, stopping only after it crashed into a car parked on the left side."
Safer with her being dead than driving.
That would be the case for virtually everything, mind you. Good's only benefit is fertilizing the ground.
"Good's decision to disregard an ICE agent's order to "get out of the fucking car" certainly seems reckless, especially in retrospect, but it surely was not a capital offense."
Grand. She wasn't killed for being an obnoxious cunt. She hit an officer with her car. Hitting somebody with a car is a capital offense. It is why she WAS killed.
Even CBS is out with a report the officer was treated at a hospital. But that ruins Jacob's narratives.
"Even CBS"? Seriously?
Yes. They actually are pushing facts most main stream media is ignoring.
Whats confusing to you?
not being credible since before television is a start. Bari Weiss notwithstanding
Was it CBS that put model rocket ignitors in the gas tank of a Chevy pickup to "prove" they were dangetous?
Wasn't it CBS that insisted electric typewriters in the late 1960s did superscript when they claimed to have "proof" that George W Bush did something in the air national guard?
CBS stands for Cock n Bull Stories in my house...
YES it goes to intent. Woman driving home and accidentally caught up in a traffic jam shows no intent vs a woman who has chased and harassed ICE all day shows if not intent willful dissregard and even a potential threat. so yes her activities prior are important.
" he was clearly not in the SUV's path when he fired the second and third shots, which entered the car through the front window"
The same leftists who insist the driver was steering her 4600 lb SUV to the right are somehow mystified that the SUV turned towards the right during the space of three shots.
Good's noncompliance showed her actions could not be presumed to be benign. Her lurching her SUV forward must be taken as a threat.
JS;dr
JS;dr
Did he have to shoot her? No. Did she do enough to get shot? Yes. If Asliegh Babbit's homocide by cop was justified then this is definitely justified. After Babbit pretty much any cop shooting is justified.
That said as a Trump supporter i was surprised more rioters were not shot on Jan 6. so I have little pity for Babbit. FAFO applies to all and they must accept the consequences of their actions
If you are in the comments section of a libertarian outlet and defending the administration's claim that this was "terrorism" then you might want to reevaluate your political views. You are not a Libertarian anymore. Own it.
This is a straightforward argument. Good was a dissenter and was civilly disobediant. That is not terrorism. Calling it terrorism is what a fascist does. Period. At best she panicked because that ICE agent was trying to jack her car. You have to be nuts to think she "intended" to run Ross over.
The fact that the administration is still trying to double-down on the terrorism angle is pathetic and worthy of impeachment. Congress needs to act now. This is out of control. Our president has gone rogue and could very well have dementia. This is not kayfabe. This is real.
Well, the fact that "Domestic Terrorism" charges exist is worthy of impeachment... The government (regardless of the Team in power)
Has been out of control for a long time.
"could very well have dementia" .... ahh I see, you just wanted to paint yourself as irrational and give the other side a reason to dismiss everything you say.
You were doing fine until the last couple of sentences. TDS is a hell of a disease.
If youre defending open and violent violations of the NAP by a group assaulting and disrupting society, youre not a libertarian.
You have to be nuts to think she "intended" to run Ross over.
Yes, I have to be.
But not Ross. Who was standing in front of the car. Who she hit.
Regardless of her intent, he was trying to stop her from hitting him.
And that's all there is.
Actually i consider Doxing of ICE and threatening their children is quite literally terrorist tactics.
So denial of reality and fact is your only fall back?
You should have had the talk with Good and Co a couple weeks back. "This is not kayfabe. This is real."
Maybe Good would still be alive and the child rapist that ICE was going to apprehend that day would be deported...
Curious how you feel about a "mother" who is willing to give her life up for a child rapist?
If you participate in civil disobedience, you take the consequences. In this case Good threatened the ICE agent and he responded appropriately.
Note that he was knocked down and ended up going to the hospital. And the first shot went through the front window - he was in front of the car, and the other shots are legal from a 2014 SCOTUS ruling that once one shot is legal the officer can legally unload his gun on the target until the threat is over.
You just outed yourself, troll. These"protestors" are organized nationally and internationally to obstruct and threaten federal law enforcement. She clearly and unequivocally hit him. She is de facto a terrorist. If I take a gun to rob a bank with no intention of actually shooting, but pull the trigger by mistake and injure someone, I'm a violent bank robber and the cops can legally shoot me.
Mayor Jacob Frey just as quickly judged Ross guilty of murder.
""trying to jack her car. ""
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Quit ignoring that they had a right to arrest her at that time, which may include pulling you out by force if you don't comply.
The administration is investigating whether the two were terrorists. This would reinforce the narrative that they were dangerous.
"If you are in the comments section of a libertarian outlet and defending the administration's claim that this was "terrorism" then you might want to reevaluate your political views. You are not a Libertarian anymore. Own it."
Oh, is this a "Libertarian-only Echo Chamber"? Are only Libertarians to comment here?
Fascinating.
Still retarded no matter how many times you say this.
Did JS write multiple articles about Ashli Babbit? One?
I'm actually asking. He's normally just Anti Trump but 1 out of a dozen articles he'll mention the other side.
So if this shooting is questionable ... what did he say about Ashli Babbit?
0 stories.
https://reason.com/search/Babbit/
Published: March 11, 2014
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/new-directive-clarifies-existing-use-of-force-policy-at-cbp/
Yeah? Its true. And that an agent has put themselves in a dangerous position *is bad* - but it doesn't negate them defending themselves against someone who uses that to try to harm them.
CBP and ICE are different agencies retard.
Cars are weapons and self defense is justified if the cars are used as a weapon, ie driving into someone retard.
This is true even under Minnesota law retard.
The officer was literally hit retard.
Cars are weapons and self defense is justified if the cars are used as a weapon, ie driving into someone retard.
This is true even under Minnesota law retard.
This is true pretty much everywhere there are cars and guns.
Note: In this video the shot can clearly be heard and there is a 4 second delay before you hear "Shots fired!"
Sullum is a fucking retard on at least two continents.
Additional notes: The disparity of Youtube comments between this shooting from a year ago and the Renee Good shooting is pretty stark. One might even suspect a bit of... bias... based on the victim.
>It is hard to see how, since that question hinges on what happened the morning that an ICE agent shot her.
This is a rare Sullum take that's reasonable.
It's not reasonable, it's crafted to give the premise of seeming reasonable.
The fact that he then goes on to, once again, parse shots no. 2 and no. 3, despite the fact that even in fairly low pressure situations humans don't task switch that quickly or effectively just demonstrates that he doesn't actually care about who was thinking, or not thinking, what at any particular moment. He's got a conclusion, he's working backwards from it, and you're looking at the first "reasonable" step.
Wow, you guys have really drifted away from your original narrative of “ICE Kills Protester”.
Now it’s “ICE Disregarded Traffic Stop Guidance”, “The FBI Thinks Renee Good's Anti-ICE Activism Is Relevant in Deciding Whether Killing Her Was Justified”, and other leftist activist legal argle-bargle.
I’m pretty sure that what’s happening here is called “throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks”.
I’d advise giving it a break, resting up, and being fresh for the next Team Blue outrage/riot you guys need to help facilitate.
For fucks sake Jacob. The only thing relevant is she drove towards and hit an officer. That is literally all that is required for self defense.
The activism is just proof against the leftist lies you fall for.
She was trying to turn around
She didn't mean to obstruct
She was dropping her kids off
She was scared and didn't know she was being detained.
You fell for leftist lies. Own up to it dumbass.
Own up to it dumbass.
Owning up to it doesn't push clicks.
It also doesn't cover for Tim Walz, Somali Fraud, or the fact that Iran entirely shutdown the conversation on their part of the internet and, rather than investigating to figure out the motivations that lead to this outcome, is bagging up the bodies of its protesters like it's Sunday at Costco.
"The FBI's interest in Good's history of activism suggests an attempt to obscure the central legal issue raised by the shooting:"
No it doesn't.
Jacob is just angry because he is paid to obscure the legal issues.
>>Under federal law, "domestic terrorism" involves criminal acts "dangerous to human life" aiming to "intimidate or coerce a civilian population," "influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion," ...
"F" for class participation if given the elements you cannot successfully argue the she's a domestic terrorist side
The protesters standing on the streets with signs are not in question here.
It's those who were obstructing ICE which is meant to "influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion," that are going to be charged.
The organization giving lessons on how to fuck with law enforcement should be investigated. This goes further than Maxine Watters telling democrats to get in the faces of republicans and tell them they are not wanted.
>>The organization giving lessons on how to fuck with law enforcement should be investigated
absolutely.
but don't look into their intent ~~Sullum
WTF? Have you ever had to act in a split second?
"that shooting Good was necessary to protect himself, his colleagues, or the general public from the threat she allegedly posed when she began to drive away after she was confronted by ICE agents who ordered her to get out of her car?"
You say that as if the ICE agent had an hour to contemplate the vehicle suddenly launching toward him.
Had the tires not spun when she first punched it the officer would be in the hospital or dead.
But in this event the tires spun and the officer was still hit by the vehicle which became a deadly weapon when Good used it as one.
He did end up at a hospital.
He went to hospital, suffered some internal bleeding, and was treated and released later that night.
Frey is trying to argue that the ICE agent wasn't "hurt enough" to justify his reaction... as if the ICE agent knew the extent of his future injuries from the upcoming impact her car would have with his body and factored that in when he contemplated his future response to being hit by her car.
Didn't you know that all LEO's are Speedsters and capable of checking every possible timeline (a la Dr. Strange)?
Jacob, are you retarded? Are you seriously asking why it is important to know why Renee and her wife were obstructing law enforcement when she chose to disobey lawful orders to stop and get out of the car while recklessly driving her suv into a law enforcement officer who had every legal right and authority to be there? You can't understand why knowing why Renee and her wife were parked perpendicular to the flow of traffic and obstructing law enforcement operations isn't important to an investigation? Come on, Jacob, you cannot be that retarded?
It l3ads directly into Goods intent which jacob wants to ignore.
"ICE are untrained bullies looking for easy targets," it says. "Neighbors showing up have saved lives."
Oh yeah? Who's life was saved by losers taking classes and obstructing ICE? An illegal criminal child rapist?
FFS. Crimes are being committed because sanctuary fucktards are not doing their required jobs and are allowing illegal criminals to assault, rape, and/or murder American children and adults.
How can you deny this fact?
"If you look at what the definition of domestic terrorism is, it completely fits the situation on the ground."
FBI agents charged with investigating the shooting reportedly are now trying to support that characterization by examining Good's ties to groups that oppose the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) crackdown in Minneapolis.
If you take away any legal justification and relegate the whole affair to the private sector, just one group of people showing up in public and another group following them around, yeah, even Hollywood proportionally regards the paparazzi as terrorists and the paparazzi aren't even specifically opposed to actions of the people they're stalking.
The stalking from ICE is legally justified. You don't make it unjust by stalking them back. 6 yr. olds generally understand this.
But, of course the continued outrage-milling from Reason and sympathetic media is a valuable distraction from the facts that the place is chock full of illegal fraudsters and Iran is actually keeping its citizens from posting to the internet while they stack the bodies several layers deep.
I want to see the victim's widow's video tape of her and the victim following and taunting the ICE officers for 'sport' - this was a master class in "FAFO".
Collin Rugg
@CollinRugg
But remember, armchair takes from people who really think they were living inside Renee Good's head at the time is where the real truth lies.
I'm sorry that Renee and the radicalizing internet retards like Jacob Sullum did this to these people.
"The FBI Thinks Renee Good's Anti-ICE Activism Is Relevant in Deciding Whether Killing Her Was Justified"
Yes, you TDS-addled steaming pile of lying shit, attempting to run down an LEO *IS* relevant in whether her killing is justified. It IS justified.
Please see, for your education (assuming that is possible as doubtful as it seems):
"CHICAGO POLICE CHIEF goes viral for defending ICE AGENTS"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hg1LtNqoKU
You attempt to ram your car into an LEO, there's a very good chance you'll get shot. You might try it, and we'd hope the result is a more intelligent world after you're gone.
Pathetic...
A person belongs to a vigilante group known as "Jew watch". The stated purpose of the group is to disrupt the lives of Jews or synagogues.
One of their members decides to block the entrance to a synagogue and directs others to blow whistle to disrupt service. When a rabbi approaches from the front asking her to leave, she jams on D when he's possibly inches away from the left headlight.
At that point she is in fact, a domestic terrorist. It does not matter that group actually didn't advocate for open violence. Since they're an outfit organized against a certain group of people, any of them acting recklessly to endanger that group can be easily categorized as domestic terrorism.
If you see a white man using racial slurs on a black man, acts aggressively and nearly runs him over, you'd consider that an act of crime. Finding out later that the white man was KKK only confirms the reasons for his actions. "But you couldn't have known that he was racist at THAT moment" is a total moot point.
Note that ICEwatch isn't some legit legal watchdog group that would sue ICE after the fact. Their stated goal is to disrupt ICE, period. You think they knew WHO these ICE agents were detaining? What if they were arresting an actual pedophile or mass murderers? They don't care. They're not any different than Hamas fan club who assault Jews on the streets to "stop murder children".
BTW, I don't buy this notion that a cabal of radicals who merely "watch" a group they so passionately detest can never be domestic terrorism.
Even in public, I have certain expectation of privacy. An anti immigrant group has no right to shove their cameras into my car or bang on it while screeching at me to go back to my country. They can't blow whistles right at my face at work, making it impossible for me to do anything. I'd be terrified to even exist as an immigrant.
But let's say Vance did define domestic terrorism broadly. So what? Noem is correct in saying that Good committed domestic terror by trying to run over an ICE agent. She's a member of an unsanctioned and unregulated anti ICE group whose agenda is to impede ICE at any turn.
Jacob, when a car blocks the road like Good did, traffic from both sides only have one lane to negotiate. That some cars were able to navigate through an obstruction isn't proof of normalcy. Do you expect ICE agents to just drive narrowly past this woman who blocked her car, not knowing what she has in the car, what her intentions is, etc? What the heck is this BIZARRE hill that you're choosing to die on?
Her girlfriend is going to jail, Sullem. Suck on that, propagandist.
Can we just use this picture as proof that progressivism is a mental disease that makes your life suck?
She looks like a 50-60 yo chemo patient. She is *37*!.
Her partner looks like a weird alcoholic lawn gnome....
These people should be a cautionary tale. "This is your brain on progressive politics" etc. Fucking woof