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Federal Reserve

Powell's Last Stand

Plus: Federal bureaucracy gets a redesign, Robert Moses messing things up (still), Syrian immigrant unemployment data, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 8.22.2025 9:30 AM

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Chairman of the Federal Reserve Jerome Powell | Liu Jie / Xinhua News Agency/Newscom
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Powell's last speech: Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell is expected to give (what will probably be) his last address today in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, laying out how he believes the central bank should help manage the economy in an increasingly weird time—and, possibly, tackling President Donald Trump's increasing attacks on the Fed's independence, and the pressure placed on them to lower the cost of borrowing.

With a labor market deteriorating (and recent jobs numbers revisions signaling this has been going on for a few months longer than some observers realized), it's possible Powell will portend rate cuts, which the Trump administration has been requesting. But the Fed's job isn't to curry favor with the administration through its policies (something Powell rightly chafes at). It's to manage two massive risks and the interplay between them: inflation, rising with tariffs, and slowing job growth. "If the Fed puts more weight on the threat of resurgent price pressures and holds interest rates steady when it meets next month, that could raise the odds of an economic downturn," notes The New York Times. "If the Fed instead moves to shore up the labor market by restarting interest rate cuts that were put on hold in January, inflation may be more likely to get stuck above the central bank's 2 percent target."

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Back in 2020, the Fed made a few significant changes to its framework: It "said it would allow inflation to run modestly above its 2% target for periods to make up for times when it had fallen short" and that it "would focus only on the unemployment rate being too high, rather than also worrying about the rate being too low, removing some urgency to pre-emptively raise rates and prevent the economy from running too hot," per The Wall Street Journal. Now, "officials have signaled they are likely to back off from the more ambitious employment goal that returns the Fed to some version of the framework that existed before the more novel changes." (This isn't some sort of ad hoc revision, but rather the Fed committing to its plan to review the framework every five years or so.)

Odd new executive order: President Donald Trump just tapped Joe Gebbia, the Airbnb co-founder who's lately been hard at work redesigning the government's Social Security processing, to serve as "chief design officer" for the federal government via executive order. "It is the policy of my Administration to deliver digital and physical experiences that are both beautiful and efficient, improving the quality of life for our Nation," reads the order, signed by Trump.

No, this does not mean Gebbia is tasked with making federal buildings pretty or returning to marble and stained glass (as far as we know). He will instead be redesigning government forms and processes to "prioritize improving websites and physical sites that have a major impact on Americans' everyday lives." Think: income tax filings, Social Security applications, Medicare enrollment, and immigration services, per Bloomberg.

I like this, provided it can be done well (and efficiently). Federal employees going into retirement used to have to deal with an entirely paper-based process, up until Gebbia's involvement. This summer, the process was digitized; paper forms were phased out for new retirees and online portals were created. The old limestone mine in Pennsylvania, which housed the federal government's retired records (seriously!), will at some point become totally defunct, thanks to the digitization efforts of this administration.

If Gebbia and Co. can give other bureaucratic processes similar updates, the American people stand to gain. Of course, if interactions with the government become too pleasant, maybe libertarians and anarchists will have worse grounds to make our arguments that they ought to be downsized or abolished, but let's cross that bridge when (if!) we get there.


Scenes from New York: Decades ago, Robert Moses really messed things up for people living in the Bronx when he razed whole communities to make the Cross Bronx Expressway. Now, much-needed repairs—and the possibility of building a new overpass to accommodate them—threaten to do the same thing all over again.


QUICK HITS

  • "A federal judge has ordered that the government dismantle much of 'Alligator Alcatraz,' one of the flagship immigrant detention facilities in President Trump's enforcement effort," reports The Wall Street Journal. "U.S. District Judge Kathleen Williams of the Southern District of Florida said Thursday that the government had 60 days to remove fencing, lighting, generators, sewage facilities and other major parts of the Florida facility. She also ordered a halt to new construction and said it shouldn't accept any new detainees."
  • A needlessly antagonistic Matt Bruenig piece (but I repeat myself!) responding to Kelsey Piper casting doubt on the efficacy of universal basic income measures.
  • "Two-thirds of [Syrian] asylum-seekers who arrived [in Germany] a decade ago now have jobs," reports Bloomberg. But…is that the standard timeline? That strikes me as a fairly long time horizon. "More than 83,000 Syrians became German citizens last year, the largest group by far. And about two-thirds of refugees who arrived from 2013 to 2019 now have jobs, with their employment level just 9 percentage points below the national average, according to the Institute for Employment Research."
  • Interesting findings:

Fascinating essay on new research that (among other things) provides further evidence that middle and lower class married moms are mostly likely to want to be stay-at-home moms. https://t.co/Y7if3LXEXu pic.twitter.com/Bwmk8i2klj

— Ivana Greco (@IvanaDGreco) August 22, 2025

  • Yes:

can someone please explain how the cracker barrel rebrand is woke, rather than merely soulless and tragic? did the CEO say the old man was racist? I saw a girl on threads say he had a slave whip but they think "clanker" is a slur over there so I'm assuming that's not canon

— Mike Solana (@micsolana) August 21, 2025

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  1. Chumby   5 hours ago

    Perfect Titties Take Bounced

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/sen-klobuchar-denies-saying-sydney-sweeney-has-perfect-titties

    Deep fake? They look real!

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   5 hours ago

      Udderly ridiculous.

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    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

      Thank you for keeping me abreast of news.

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      1. HorseConch   5 hours ago

        I see you guys are really milking this story.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

          It's a tit for tat reply.

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          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

            It has been a bit nippy out.

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            1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   4 hours ago

              What a bunch of boobs.

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              1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

                Well this chain is a bigger bust than a jefff sarc circle jerk.

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                1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 hours ago

                  Cool story, bra.

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                2. Chumby   4 hours ago

                  Bra, that’s a mammary nobody wants.

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                3. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   4 hours ago

                  They give each other pearl necklaces daily.

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          2. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

            Local news chyron the other day self-censored by putting a black box over "tit" in a quote containing "tit-for-tat".

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    3. mad.casual   4 hours ago

      "The A.I. deepfake featured me using the phrase ‘perfect t-tties’ and lamenting that Democrats were “too fat to wear jeans or too ugly to go outside," though I could immediately tell that someone used footage from the hearing to make a deepfake, there was no getting around the fact that it looked and sounded very real."

      That's exactly what I would expect an AI deep fake of Sen. Klobuchar to say.

      As a Gen Xer, once again I find the meta-aspect of all this hilarious:
      Internet: [giggles] 58008 [snickers] LOL Bobs!
      Adults In the Room: OMG! The internet is talking about women's breasts, doing impressions of people, and drawing moustaches on authority figures! My likeness no less! I won't stand for this!

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      1. Dillinger   3 hours ago

        >>As a Gen Xer, once again I find the meta-aspect of all this hilarious:

        yes ... 5318008

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      2. Dillinger   3 hours ago

        somebody queue Kentucky Fried Movie or something.

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        1. Chumby   3 hours ago

          Big Jim Slade approves.

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bxYO06TDHoc

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          1. Dillinger   2 hours ago

            lolz

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    4. Anomalous   3 hours ago

      A tempest in a D cup.

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    5. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 hours ago

      That was dumb. She should have leaned into it and said, "I didn't actually say that, but let's be honest, would I have been wrong if I did?"

      Because really, if you've seen any of Sweeney's nude clips, yeah, she has perfect titties.

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      1. Mike Parsons   2 hours ago

        She would have gotten scorched though for the other (also true part), that the democrat base consists of ugly fat disgusting bitches that no one wants to see.

        More senators need to bring that up in chamber

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  2. Fist of Etiquette   5 hours ago

    A federal judge has ordered that the government dismantle much of 'Alligator Alcatraz"...

    Trump is just going to have to import crocodiles, I guess. Crocodile Gitmo.

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    1. Chumby   5 hours ago

      Activist judge trying to block this cayman as no surprise.

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      1. MollyGodiva   5 hours ago

        Florida ignored all environmental laws and built their concentration camp in the middle of a swamp. The judge is following the law.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

          Lol. As usual this is false.

          The law in question only applies to feds. The state built this. It was already an airport.

          Even in your post you admit Florida built it, yet the judge applied a law that doesn't apply to states. Lol. You admit to it being lawfare.

          Hahahaha.

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          1. MollyGodiva   4 hours ago

            Federal environmental laws applies to states as well.

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            1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

              Go read this law doc retard. The judge even admitted it only applies to feds lol. God damn dumbass.

              She had to create a nexus to apply it. Something scotus had repeatedly struck down.

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              1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   1 hour ago

                He’s not going to read anything not in the am email.

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            2. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   4 hours ago

              You really have no idea how environmental law works, Dr. Retard. I’d strongly recommend you sit this one out.

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              1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

                The law on question is literally a procedural law for development of federal buildings. Doc retard cant be bothered to investigate her/them claims.

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            3. MollyGodiva   4 hours ago

              For this comment I stand corrected.

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              1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

                You should just add this comment to a word in your autocorrect dictionary, maybe for "reasonpost". And use it often.

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        2. Chumby   5 hours ago

          The improvements are on an existing site that includes an airport. I’m shocked this activist judge was appointed by Obama.

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          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 hours ago

            And probably shocked when his bullshit gets overturned on appeal.

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            1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

              Doc retard will just ignore it like sullum and others do.

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          2. MollyGodiva   4 hours ago

            Putting a paved strip of land somewhere does not automatically and permanently exculde the surrounding area from from environmental laws.

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            1. Chumby   4 hours ago

              Florida is doing this, not the federal govt. The alligators are there to prevent dirty illegal alien rapefugees from wandering off the site and contaminating the surrounding area.

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              1. MollyGodiva   3 hours ago

                Racist much?

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                1. Chumby   3 hours ago

                  What race are the alligators?

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                  1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   3 hours ago

                    Molly is pro lizard people.

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                    1. Chumby   2 hours ago

                      Molly is as racist as Shrike. Molly demands that a city greater than 41% African American and representing the largest racial demographic not receive the same protections against rape, murder, and car jacking as do folks in “the whitest state” who enjoy a violent crime rate less than 10% that of Washington DC. Jim Crow 2.0.

                2. MK Ultra   45 minutes ago

                  Why do you think alligators wouldn't also like Taco Tuesdays? They don't only eat at Cracker Barrel.

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    2. Medulla Oblongata   5 hours ago

      Guess we'll just have to send them to real Gitmo.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

        Compromise, and send them halfway.

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      2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

        3rd party countries are allowed again as well.

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    3. Longtobefree   5 hours ago

      The alligators are only there to protect the transients from the pythons.

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    4. Randy Sax   5 hours ago

      that the government had 60 days to remove fencing, lighting, generators, sewage facilities and other major parts of the Florida facility.

      I have never seen a Judge order demolition. Seems far too over reaching.

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      1. Super Scary   4 hours ago

        Sounds pretty cruel that the judge doesn't want the people being held there to have power, lighting or sewage facilities. I'm sure the fences are also helping to keep the gators out.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

          Would be hilarious if they complied by setting up temporary shelters.

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          1. Randy Sax   4 hours ago

            Get out the FEMA tents.

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            1. Chumby   3 hours ago

              Fuck the tents. They can have Rachel Maddow snuggies to keep them warm on cooler nights.

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              1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   3 hours ago

                And Rachel Maddow deep fake nudes to keep the alligators away.

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        2. mad.casual   3 hours ago

          It actually sounds like a fictional plot point straight from Aliens, Jurassic Park, or Pitch Black.

          The generator's dead, the sewage system is half-finished and accessible, but non-usable, the lights are out, and the fencing is half torn-down... but the motion detectors still work!

          Hapless Would-be Victim: We have to shut down the grid to get the fences back up? Why didn't anybody tell us there were raptors?!
          Protagonist: If we make it out of this you can file a complaint with with John Hammond, Weyland-Yutani, and District Judge Kathleen Williams!

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  3. Chumby   5 hours ago

    No One is Above the Law

    Bolton’s house just raided by FBI.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/22/fbi-raids-john-bolton-house

    For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings When a Man Loves a Woman.

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

      Luckily Bolton quickly blamed the raid on Russians and started demanding nuclear war to distract from it.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

        The Neocon's neocon.

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    2. mad.casual   3 hours ago

      Between Bondi, Gabbard, the National Guard in DC, and this, I actually have a non-zero expectation of seeing a Youtube video in the next few years of a couple of National Guard troops standing beside a giant drain plug with the sights and massive sucking sound as everything between Kenilworth Gardens and the Potomac gets sucked down the drain.

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  4. Fist of Etiquette   5 hours ago

    She also ordered a halt to new construction and said it shouldn't accept any new detainees.

    They just hate new housing.

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   5 hours ago

      This is another reason why you can’t have chicks in charge.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

        Repeal the 19th.

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    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

      Trump should just ignore this order as it will get overturned at appeals in a month.

      As the link below shows Gorsuch is getting testy with these judges.

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      1. MollyGodiva   5 hours ago

        This is about Florida, not Trump, and the judge is correctly following environmental law.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

          The law the judge used doesn't apply to states moron lol. Youre agreeing the judge is wrong. Fucking hilarious.

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          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

            It's a retard.

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            1. Chupacabra   4 hours ago

              A retard's retard.

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          2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   51 minutes ago

            Oof. Even getting worse for Molly. This judge is in the wrong jurisdiction lol. Other judges in the same area refused to hear similar cases for Alligator Alcatraz.

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  5. Chumby   5 hours ago

    Pipe Up

    Italian media publish photos of Ukrainian Sergey Kuznetsov, arrested in Italy in connection with the sabotage of the "Nord Streams".

    Earlier, it was reported that he is a former captain of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Security Service of Ukraine.

    - Intel Slava

    The EUnuchs no longer taking it from the pipe.

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    1. mad.casual   3 hours ago

      Arrested on a German warrant. Whether you take the German warrant and the Steele Dossier at face value or not, it kinda makes the whole "Russia's Army can't hold out forever." seem kinda last-century.

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      1. Rick James   2 hours ago

        Yeah, [everyone knows] this was a U.S. op, and I've long suspected that like American federal drug raids, it gets the ok if it's 'attached' to local law enforcement, so one school resource officer rides in the car with the feds to the raid.

        I suspect Sergey, if he's guilty of anything, is Ukraine's school resource officer.

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  6. Fist of Etiquette   5 hours ago

    Two-thirds of [Syrian] asylum-seekers who arrived [in Germany] a decade ago now have jobs...

    Groping teenage girls at the water park doesn't pay all that well, though.

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   5 hours ago

      Wow! That must mean a third of them are independently wealthy and didn’t need a job.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

        Cmon man. 30% unemployment rate proves they are all profit and no downsides.

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        1. HorseConch   4 hours ago

          They must invest in a safety net for those less fortunate. Who cares why or where they became less fortunate. "

          Have you no empaty, Monnn?"

          Kackles

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        2. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

          Importing poverty will pay off in the long run!

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          1. Rick James   2 hours ago

            How many welfare recipients do we need to import to show a profit?

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        3. Rick James   2 hours ago

          And they use 0 German healthcare.

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    2. Ska   4 hours ago

      But think of the fringe benefits.

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    3. mad.casual   3 hours ago

      a decade ago

      Wait, what?

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  7. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

    'But the Fed's job isn't to curry favor with the administration through its policies (something Powell rightly chafes at).'

    OK, then. Who does the Fed aim to curry favor with? It sure ain't the American people. Read Leonard's The Lords of Easy Money, for one critique.

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   5 hours ago

      Managed economies are good as long as it isn’t trump doing it.

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    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

      Libertarians for unelected deep state is now a thing.

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    3. MollyGodiva   5 hours ago

      No one. That is the point.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

        Manage something for no benefit? How dumb are you?

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        1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 hours ago

          Molly is very dumb.

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          1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   4 hours ago

            One might claim Molly is fully retarded.

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            1. Chumby   4 hours ago

              Molly is as sharp as Biden’s tack.

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            2. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

              Didn't she get the warning to never go full retard?

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              1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

                Full retard is called either doc retard or sarc.

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        2. MollyGodiva   4 hours ago

          The benefit is a better economy, not political favors. It is very telling that MAGAs see political favor as the only motivation for government actions.

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          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

            Look at doc retard claim improved citizen employment trashing an economy below, now not trying to claim 30% unemployment of a population is improving and economy here. Lol.

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  8. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

    What a terrible day for sullum, sarc, Mike, molly and other democrats yesterday.

    First the NY appeals court.

    Then Gorsuch castigating inferior judges for ignoring SCOTUS prior rulings on cuts.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/08/supreme-court-lifts-order-allowing-trump-to-cut-nih-funds-that-advancedei/

    To the 9th circuit knowing what temporary means in TPS.

    https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/5463288-trump-admin-wins-tps-case/

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    1. Randy Sax   4 hours ago

      Another Trump W yesterday.

      https://notthebee.com/article/breaking-appeals-court-tosses-527-million-penalty-leveled-against-trump

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    2. MollyGodiva   4 hours ago

      No worse day then any other. SCOTUS has been giving Trump a free reign to violate the law since his term started.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

        Oh. So scotus doesn't actually have a say on what laws mean. Inferior court judges do. Got it.

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      2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 hours ago

        Which law?

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  9. Zeb   5 hours ago

    Clearly the problem with the Cracker Barrel change is that it is racist against orange skinned people.

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   5 hours ago

      Another example of why you can’t have chicks in charge.

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      1. Dillinger   3 hours ago

        I can't believe she's still allowing for Cracker.

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    2. Chumby   5 hours ago

      Waffle House waitress

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    3. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

      They removed both the cracker and the barrel from the sign.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

        Do the crackers go in the barrel or on the barrel?

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

          Good question. I'll ask cracker jack. Cracker jill (sadly a thing) won't know.

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      2. mad.casual   3 hours ago

        THE cracker? You mean the looping arch from the R to the K wasn't a whip?

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    4. Randy Sax   4 hours ago

      But seriously, how is this a news story? A distraction from the Epstein files?

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    5. Eeyore   3 hours ago

      It sounds racist. Like if they called it Nigger Barrel.

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      1. Zeb   3 hours ago

        Sometimes a cracker is just a cracker.

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        1. Chumby   3 hours ago

          On Wednesdays, Sqrlsy is in the barrel.

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  10. TJJ2000   5 hours ago

    Abolish the Fed. It is the very reason Inflation / Recession / Depression exists in the first place.

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    1. Zeb   5 hours ago

      Depressions/recessions certainly happened before the Fed. But nothing like the Great Depression or other extended periods of economic stagnation that have happened since.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

        Prior to the fed, recessions had a higher impulse, but far shorter recovery. Businesses no longer valuable were allowed to fail. Recovery was quicker industry transition was quicker.

        All the fed has done has made the down times longer while propping up connected industries.

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        1. Zeb   4 hours ago

          Yes, that's what I was alluding to.

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        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

          But too big to fail!

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        3. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

          Speaking of too big to fail, a blast from my archives...in email discussion with a group of friends, one asked this question:

          " So the question is do we subsidize industry, or people?"

          My response:

          Why is this a dichotomy? We could subsidize industry, people, both, or neither. Obviously my answer would be "Do not subsidize industry, and do not subsidize people beyond the barest minimum necessary (and even then with a jaundiced eye to try to weed out grifters)."

          When the US government saved Chrysler from bankruptcy the first time--with the good intentions of saving the jobs, the industry, etc.--my side complained. But then we came around 25 years later and saved them again? And GM, too? Why? That's two times Ford and their employees were forced to subsidize their competitors! The failure can be seen in the comparative financial data at the time (circa 2008): both Toyota and GM, for example, made about 9.4 million vehicles last year. But as Investors Business Daily notes, Toyota made a profit of $1,874 per car, while GM lost $4,055 per car, or $38.7 billion, and almost all of those loses were due to its U.S. operations.

          So what would have happened if we had simply let GM fail? Ok, sure a lot of folks would be unemployed, at least for a time. But if GM was selling more than 9 million cars per year, and stopped because they were out of business, the market now has a 9M car hole in it. Doesn't it seem reasonable that Toyota or Kia or Ford or Hyundai would have been jumping at the chance to buy some almost-turnkey production facilities knowing that they could just about guarantee being able to sell 9M additional vehicles? And since much of the problem that GM faced was self-inflicted (I have some details on that in the archives), the new owners might be able to turn the losses into profits? It seems reasonable, too, that new owners would have hired almost all of those people back into similar jobs (perhaps not at the pre-collapse union wages, though). The same logic could have applied to Chrysler, either time. And there's a case to be made that Ford and GM may have been stronger if Chrysler had been allowed to fail the first time.

          Similar economic logic applies to farmers. If farmers cannot make ends meets due to low commodities prices and high expenses, it seems reasonable that the answer is to have fewer farmers producing fewer commodities, since reducing supply while demand is steady will raise prices. It sucks for the farmers that have to go out of business, but the market can only support what the market can support and the remaining farmers would be better off for it in the long run.

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          1. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

            There were a few other questions in that same back-and-forth...

            "And these subsidies keep our prices lower, so taking them away would affect everyone."

            Do they really though? Because paying taxes to have the government pay out loans and grants is highly inefficient, with many middlemen--I mean, trusted civil servants--that must get paid. The economic friction involved is much higher than simply letting the market work. Prices may be higher than they are without subsidies, but paying less taxes may be more helpful. Embedded taxes are insidious in how they effect the price of goods.

            " Is there a way around this without creating long-standing subsidies like what we have now?"

            Yes. Don't play the game at all. One thing we learned from the movies back in the '80s: "It's a strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?"

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      2. sarcasmic   5 hours ago

        Do you ever listen to the Political Orphanage? He has some pretty interesting interviews on the subject. The period before the Fed wasn't as rosy and people make it out to be. And so far everyone he's interviewed says that the Great Depression was a result of the Fed screwing up and not doing what it was created to do. I'm not making a case for or against it. Just saying that there's more to it than just "Fed bad, gold standard good". I'd encourage you to look into past episodes of the show and listen to some of the ones about the Fed. They're quite interesting and informative.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

          Did you blindly accept what you heard from a facial level? Or did you gain interest and actually do research? Because it seems like the former.

          This reliance on facial analysis from podcasts is a large part of your ignorance. Very narrow understanding while you pretend to have a deep understanding. And from political podcasts lol.

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        2. Zeb   4 hours ago

          I haven't but I recall you mentioning it before. I agree it's important not to pretend that pre-Fed was all monetary stability. Of course, without the Fed, the Fed can't screw up like that and make things worse. On balance, I think the downsides of more "hard" money are outweighed by the upsides, but neither is going to be able to completely avoid economic calamity.

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          1. sarcasmic   4 hours ago

            "Hard" money has a downside as well. When the value of money is tied to a commodity, the value changes with the quantity of that commodity. This meant that the value of money was rather volatile. For example when gold deposits were found while we were on the gold standard, the result was deflation. I'm not convinced that that is a good thing. Again, I'm not making a case for or against the Fed. Just saying that there are tradeoffs.

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            1. Zeb   3 hours ago

              Yeah, no money system will guarantee total stability. And of course governments will always do things like debasing the currency when they control minting. But I think hard money is more resistant to the machinations of people who think they can effectively control the economy.

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            2. Quicktown Brix   1 hour ago

              Fiat money is used with intentional inflation to result in very few people saving money under their mattress because it's losing value. It coerces people to invest and stimulates the economy.

              A bitcoin type currency can be used where the money supply increases at a constant rate for controlled inflation with the same benefit outside the control of a government.

              I'm sure there's tradeoffs though.

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  11. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

    Communist upset to find out UBI doesn't work. Every study showing it fails. Still copes and wants to keep trying.

    https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/giving-people-money-helped-less-than

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   5 hours ago

      It must be because they didn’t get enough money. Yeah, that’s it.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

        Imagine if we gave everyone a million dollars!

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        1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 hours ago

          Piker. A million isn’t what it used to be. Gotta be 10 mill. Then we can all be rich!

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          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

            It worked in Zimbabwe and post war Germany.

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            1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 hours ago

              Africa’s little known success story.

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            2. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

              Years ago I bought some Zimbabwe dollars as a novelty...I bought a set of 3 $100BillionZW bills for like $10US. The bills had a 6 month expiration date printed right on them!

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              1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

                That's funny. Buying failed currency may be a fun hobby.

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                1. Medulla Oblongata   3 hours ago

                  I should have held out for the 100 Trillion dollar ZW notes.

                  https://numismaclub.com/imgs/a/k/e/a/g/zimbabwe_100_trillion_dollar_bank_note__uncirculated__2008_series_aa__p91_2_lgw.jpg

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              2. Medulla Oblongata   3 hours ago

                I looked up an image reference.

                https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-zimbabwean-100-billion-dollar-note-22037169.html

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  12. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

    You are a conspiracy theorists for not believing Russia blew up it's own pipeline.

    Meanwhile Ukranian citizeb arrested for blowing up pipeline.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-suspect-arrested-italy-over-nord-stream-sabotage-plot-operation-diameter

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  13. chemjeff radical individualist   5 hours ago

    Wait, so you mean the refugees didn't just come for endless welfare? They came to places like Germany because they were fleeing genuine oppression, needed some temporary help to get back on their feet, and are willing to work to earn a living just like everyone else? No way!

    "Two-thirds of [Syrian] asylum-seekers who arrived [in Germany] a decade ago now have jobs," reports Bloomberg. But…is that the standard timeline? That strikes me as a fairly long time horizon. "More than 83,000 Syrians became German citizens last year, the largest group by far. And about two-thirds of refugees who arrived from 2013 to 2019 now have jobs, with their employment level just 9 percentage points below the national average, according to the Institute for Employment Research."

    Don't worry, the usual suspects will ignore and/or trash this finding by (a) criticizing the source, (b) claiming the statistics are all fake somehow, and/or (c) change the subject to something else (who cares if they have jobs, they are rapists!) which are really just motte-and-bailey tactics to cover for the real argument: the dirty filthy brown Muslims don't belong in white European Germany (or anywhere else except in their shithole countries). It doesn't matter how much they "fit in" or how much they work to support themselves. Germany is for Germans, not Syrians, right? Same for America. America is for Americans, not Mexicans or Guatemalans, amirite?

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    1. sarcasmic   5 hours ago

      You don't get it. Immigrants and refugees only want welfare. And they steal jobs. They come to escape socialism. And they want socialism. Some of them are criminals. That means all of them are criminals. See? With enough fallacies you can prove anything!

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

        Watching the dishonesty of you and jeff is quite hilarious.

        You know you have no intellectual argument as all actual numbers are against your preferred system. So you pull bullshit like this. False strawman. Ignorance of actual costs. Defending criminals over citizens.

        You two are pathetic.

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        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

          Two man circle jerk.

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          1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   4 hours ago

            Those two need to find a room somewhere.

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            1. Chumby   4 hours ago

              A pickleball court.

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      2. chemjeff radical individualist   5 hours ago

        The fact that their facial "rational" arguments all end up being contradictory, indicates that their primary motivation isn't rational, it is irrational and emotional.

        Rational arguments can be defended with facts and logical deduction.

        Emotional, irrational "feelings", instead, are justified post-hoc with a smorgasbord of rationalizations that wind up contradicting each other.

        That is why the anti-immigration crowd is called a bunch of bigots. Their own arguments give away the game.

        For example, if their real concern was about immigrants committing crime, they would acknowledge that most immigrants are law-abiding. But they don't. They only focus on the small minority of cases of immigrants behaving badly, and sensationalize those cases in order to give a false impression of immigrants as a whole being more crime-prone than they really are.

        For example, if their real concern was about the public costs of immigration, they would acknowledge that, when adjusted for education and socio-economic condition, immigrants and native-born citizens consume welfare at about the same rates. But they don't. They consistently warp statistics and over-emphasize the welfare that some immigrants get in order to create a false impression that immigrants are 'feeding at the public trough' with far greater likelihoods than they really do.

        Their arguments were never really about policy or reason. They were always about the identity of the immigrants themselves. They object to who they are, rather than what they do. They don't want "those kind" of immigrants here period.

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        1. sarcasmic   5 hours ago

          For example, if their real concern was about immigrants committing crime, they would acknowledge that most immigrants are law-abiding. But they don't. They only focus on the small minority of cases of immigrants behaving badly, and sensationalize those cases in order to give a false impression of immigrants as a whole being more crime-prone than they really are.

          Yep. In that respect they're exactly like leftist gun grabbers who sensationalize shootings and keep them in the news until another one happens in order to give the false impression that everyone is in constant danger, and use that to whip up emotions and get support for more gun control laws.

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          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

            If either of you were honest you would admit illegal entry is a crime ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

            If either of you were honest you'd stop grouping legal and illegal immigrants together ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

            If either of you were honest you'd recognize the number of criminals or studies like the Lott study in Arizona that shows a larger share of illegals in prison for violent crimes than citizens. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

            But neither of you are honest.

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            1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 hours ago

              If either of you were honest you would admit illegal entry is a crime ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

              If YOU were honest you would acknowledge the actual crime that illegal entry represents. It is a misdemeanor, and it is comparable in severity to jaywalking. Instead, you and your team treat it not even as a crime, but as tantamount to AN INVASION. It is YOUR TEAM that is primarily responsible for misrepresenting the nature of illegal immigration.

              If either of you were honest you'd stop grouping legal and illegal immigrants together ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

              That is you and your team. Or are you willing to acknowledge that asylum applicants are LEGALLY permitted to remain in the country? Your team deliberately creates illegal immigrants from legal ones by sending ICE to immigration hearings, where immigrants are *following the law* and showing up when asked, to arrest them the moment that they arrive.

              If either of you were honest you'd recognize the number of criminals or studies like the Lott study in Arizona that shows a larger share of illegals in prison for violent crimes than citizens. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

              The Lott study is garbage. He deliberately overcounted the number of people that he classified as "illegal immigrants" and therefore overstated the amount of crime that illegal immigrants actually commit. Here is a takedown of Lott's paper. If you were honest, you would at least read it and offer a substantive response to it. But you won't, because your JesseBot programming doesn't accommodate independent thought.

              https://www.cato.org/blog/fatal-flaw-john-r-lott-jrs-study-illegal-immigrant-crime-arizona

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              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

                "If YOU were honest you would acknowledge the actual crime that illegal entry represents. It is a misdemeanor, and it is comparable in severity to jaywalking."

                And just like jaywalking, the first correction is to remove the offender from the zone they legally transgressed.

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                1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 hours ago

                  Do you consider jaywalking to be comparable to AN INVASION?

                  If you were honest, you would criticize Team Red for weaponizing a minor crime into something far more sinister than it really is. But you won't, because you want all the dirty people gone too by any means necessary.

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              2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

                For months you've defended illegals with final deportation orders.

                Did you know jeff that staying 60 days past said order is a felony?

                I do like how you just shift your arguments when your idiocy is pointed out though. Another example of your dishonesty.

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                1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 hours ago

                  I think the entire immigration system should be blown up and rebuilt from scratch. So I don't care if staying past some arbitrary date is a felony or not. The entire system is illegitimate as far as I'm concerned.

                  Why don't you explain to all of us WHY the status quo should be defended as-is. Don't just quote a law book, explain to us WHY you think the law is appropriate and just. Do you think your JesseBot programming can accommodate that without blowing a circuit?

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                  1. sarcasmic   4 hours ago

                    I think the entire immigration system should be blown up and rebuilt from scratch.

                    Ditto.

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                    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

                      So neither of you actually believed nobody is above the law when you were defending all the legal attacks against Trump, his lawyers, etc.

                      Interesting.

                      You both see the law as optional to further your political ends.

                      Interesting.

                      So you have no principles when you defend lawfare, 1.5B against Alex Jones, etc.

                      Interesting.

                      Almost like everything we've said about you two for the last decade is true.

                      Very interesting.

                      In your legal system, it would seem to include capital punishment for trespassing at least. Weird change from just deportation. But okay.

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 hours ago

                      Hey JesseBot:

                      Why don't you explain how the Biden FBI raiding a political opponent is a gross abuse of power, but the Trump FBI raiding a political opponent is "enforcing the law".

                      Why don't you explain how Sandy Hook parents suing Alex Jones for defamation is totally wrong, but Elon Musk suing Media Matters for defamation is totally fine.

                      Why don't you explain how Biden's "10% for the big guy" is concrete proof of corruption at the highest levels, but Trump literally selling access through his cryptocurrency ventures is just smart business sense.

                      Why don't you explain how student loan forgiveness for public service is an affront to taxpayers, but student loan forgiveness for signing up with ICE is a smart recruitment strategy.

                      Why don't you explain how sending the FBI to monitor parents protesting at schoolboard meetings is an abuse of power, but sending the FBI to monitor Antifa and BLM is totally fine.

                    3. sarcasmic   3 hours ago

                      C'mon jeff. Jesse doesn't argue things. He argues people. That's why all his comments are "you" statements.

                    4. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 hours ago

                      And now sarc weighs in crying about you comments as the majority of the comments here are about others. Lol.

                      Full dishonesty. No principles. Nothing but liberal talking points.

                    5. Chumby   2 hours ago

                      https://www.ohioarc.com/identify-victim-mentality/

                    6. TrickyVic (old school)   5 minutes ago

                      But you believe Congress should do that. Absent their action, status quo stands.

                      Your opinion doesn't matter with respect to law. What stands, stands and that's the rules people are expected to follow.

                  2. Nobartium   2 hours ago

                    Because nobody has a right to come here, or anywhere really.

                    In fact, in libertopia, there is no immigration, as 100% of all land is owned by someone else.

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      3. MollyGodiva   5 hours ago

        You copied that right out of a MAGA talking point flyer.

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        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

          Kill yourself.

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          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

            Doc retard would fail at that too.

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      4. TJJ2000   4 hours ago

        For 80% of current immigration that is true.
        For 20% that is not true.
        Showing the current immigration filtering is broken.

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      5. TrickyVic (old school)   29 minutes ago

        ""The 2025-26 Enacted Budget Financial Plan indicates the State plans to spend $4.3 billion between State Fiscal Year (SFY) 2022-23 through SFY 2026-27 for emergency spending related to people seeking asylum in the United States.""

        https://www.osc.ny.gov/reports/asylum-seeker-spending-report

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    2. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   5 hours ago

      needed some temporary help to get back on their feet,

      A third of them in the dole for 10 years.

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      1. Chumby   5 hours ago

        Two third of the chemists in his lab are not sloppy.

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    3. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

      It doesn't matter how much they "fit in"

      The effort put into fitting in seems to be a number pretty close to zero.

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      1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 hours ago

        What precisely do you mean by "fitting in"? Getting a job? Doing ordinary things that ordinary native-born citizens do? Voting for Republicans?

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        1. TJJ2000   3 hours ago

          Why YES. Because the USA is founded on Individualism NOT [Na]tional So[zi]alist THEFT nets.

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        2. I, Woodchipper   2 hours ago

          driving safely

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        3. Fats of Fury   1 hour ago

          U.S. Rep Delia Ramirez, daughter of illegal immigrants described herself as “a proud Guatemalan before an American” in Mexico City.

          https://grothman.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=4830

          U.S. Rep Ilhan Omar brags about Somali First Agenda.

          https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/ilhan-omar-brags-about-advancing-somalia-first-agenda-congress

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    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 hours ago

      chemtard loves it when kids are raped by foreign migrants. That's why he complained that no letting child molesters claim asylum was oppressing them.

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      1. Medulla Oblongata   2 hours ago

        But sarc told us that getting raped was something you just get over, like losing a job.

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    5. Fats of Fury   1 hour ago

      An estimated one million Syrians were granted asylum. That means over three hundred thousand are on the dole. The figures for the UK are much much worse. The Muslims in Germany are demanding a caliphate. How long before the innate Teutonic impulse kicks in?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy03WwImgGA&ab_channel=Briefly

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  14. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

    Going after democrats for breaking the law is political.

    NBC News
    @NBCNews
    In recent weeks, the Trump administration has targeted Democratic officials over allegations of mortgage fraud, a new front in an effort to undermine critics.

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   5 hours ago

      What happened to nobody is above the law?

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

        Did you fail post-modern critical theory intersectional law?

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    2. Chumby   5 hours ago

      Enforcing the law is now referred to as fascism and totalitarianism.

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      1. MollyGodiva   4 hours ago

        Selectively enforcing the law by a military occupation of a city against vulnerable populations while having a rapist, traitor, felon as president is fascism and totalitarianism

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

          City or federal district?

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        2. Zeb   4 hours ago

          The "vulnerable populations" were being victimized by the criminals a lot more than they are by the police and NG. I'm not a fan of using military for policing by any means, but I get the sense that the people freaking out about it are largely not the vulnerable residents of DC. And to be honest, the military people are probably much less likely to abuse their power than the regular police.

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          1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 hours ago

            I don’t think limos were being carjacked.

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            1. Chumby   4 hours ago

              Metrotosser cocktail parties in DuPont Circle were still safe so not a problem.

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            2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

              Sadly you'd be wrong.

              https://www.nbcwashington.com/video/news/local/limo-driver-badly-beaten-during-carjacking/3365893/

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          2. Quicktown Brix   3 hours ago

            the military people are probably much less likely to abuse their power than the regular police.

            In the short run, probably. If it continues long term, I highly doubt it.

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            1. Zeb   3 hours ago

              Yes, if they act as police for too long, they are likely to develop the same sort of cynicism and corruption that police tend to. Which is one of the reasons I'm not wild about the use of military for law enforcement.

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              1. sarcasmic   3 hours ago

                People join the military to serve their country while people join police forces to have the people serve them. That is why most ex-military who join police departments tend to quit in disgust. That cynicism and corruption is not something that police develop. It's part of the self selection process.

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                1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 hours ago

                  I enjoy that you are finally admitting this statement from you was a lie and just a means to defend leftist murder.

                  I back the blue when they’re right. In this case, as you very well know, the cop didn’t know she was unarmed and from his vantage point he couldn’t see the crowd. He just saw someone crawling through a smashed barricade while hearing chaos on the police radio. So based upon what he knew based upon what he could see and hear, he did what he thought was right.

                  That you buddy?

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                2. Quicktown Brix   2 hours ago

                  And then there's the mindset.

                  Police are theoretically trained to keep the peace and protect civilians. Soldiers are theoretically trained to kill or infiltrate, rights, bystanders and property be damned.

                  In practice, police seem to have developed this soldier mindset anyway.

                  One other consideration, soldiers are trained to consider themselves expendable, their life is worth less than the mission and they may need to be willing to sacrifice it for the cause. Police give this lip service, but their training seems to be such that their life and safety is valued over all else, hence the dog shootings and no knock nonsense that has become so common.

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                  1. sarcasmic   2 hours ago

                    Police are trained to have zero tolerance for noncompliance, and to put officer safety above anything else. Their job is not to enforce the law. It is to make people do whatever they say. Calling them law enforcement officers is a misnomer. A more accurate term would be compliance officers.

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                3. TrickyVic (old school)   24 minutes ago

                  ""That is why most ex-military who join police departments tend to quit in disgust. ""

                  The guys I served with that when into policing had long careers in law enforcement.

                  I have no idea where you get this "most" from.

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        3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

          Kill yourself.

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        4. Michael Ejercito   4 hours ago

          Who was betrayed?

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        5. Chumby   4 hours ago

          The criminals raping, murdering, and carjacking are the vulnerable population?

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          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

            Freedom and liberty!

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        6. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 hours ago

          "...while having a rapist, traitor, felon as president is fascism and totalitarianism..."

          MG, the shit-stain of the commentariat, lies; it’s all s/he ever does. MG a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies s/he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know s/he’s a liar.
          If anything s/he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          MG lies; it’s what s/he does. MG is a lying pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.
          Pretty heavy on the lies even for you, asshole. fuck off and die.

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        7. Sailor1989   3 hours ago

          Rapist: No evidence or rulings to support.
          Traitor: Foreign asset disproven many times.
          Felon: Will more than likely be overturned on appeal. Plenty of law scholars on both sides agree the convictions were dubious at the least

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          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 hours ago

            "...Felon: Will more than likely be overturned on appeal. Plenty of law scholars on both sides agree the convictions were dubious at the least..."

            Plus, it was felonious late library book returns!

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        8. Fats of Fury   1 hour ago

          Relax, Clinton left office a quarter century ago.

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    3. Longtobefree   5 hours ago

      Well, consider the source.
      No
      Body
      Cares

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      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   3 hours ago

        Hmmm I thought it was
        No
        Body
        No
        Crime

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  15. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

    How DoJ killed the investigation into the clinton foundation despite reams of evidence.

    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/we-cant-talk-about-clinton-foundation-new-memos-show-irs-inquiry-was

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    1. Gaear Grimsrud   4 hours ago

      Pretty sure Sullum is working on the story.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

        Sullum headline: "Trumps political lawfare against a charity that has helped millions"

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        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 hours ago

          Well, it helped some get an audience with HRC!

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  16. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   5 hours ago

    End the fed you fake libritarian

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  17. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

    Good thing reason only has editors and not journalists.

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/polling/nearly-half-americans-say-journalists-losing-influence-society-poll

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  18. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

    Eric Daugherty
    @EricLDaugh
    BREAKING: A student in Florida was nominated by his own teacher as "Most Likely to Become a Dictator" because he was a conservative, a parent just revealed.

    The teacher allowed students to label him a "N@ziphile" because he was interested in WW2 history and ROTC.

    They literally tried to give him a "certificate" for "Most Likely to Become a Dictator."

    FIRE THE TEACHER. They can move to New York or California - get a job there.

    https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1958243862041756095

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    1. Chumby   4 hours ago

      Does the family also own an akita?

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  19. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

    Libs of TikTok
    @libsoftiktok
    TX State Rep Nicole Collier (D) compares Democrats fleeing Texas to black people fleeing slavery and jews fleeing the nazis

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1958538815435342144

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

      Meanwhile check out the signs about blacks by AWFL at protest.

      https://x.com/goparlington/status/1958663148770120028

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      1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   5 hours ago

        Really some deep thinking on that one.

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      2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   4 hours ago

        Your terms are acceptable

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    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

      From the AOC school of oppressive pretense and fictional murder.

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    3. Randy Sax   4 hours ago

      The correct comparison is Ferris Bueller.

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      1. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-failed-bueller-strategy-on-voting-rights/ar-AA1KW89G

        Democrats’ Failed Bueller Strategy on Voting Rights

        Gavin Newsom, Kathy Hochul and J.B. Pritzker have had it. Texas wants to steal five US House seats and boost the GOP’s midterms hopes through a mid-decade gerrymander. Blue-state governors have delivered furious press conferences. They’re not bringing a knife to a redistricting gunfight this time, no sir. They’re packing bazookas. They’re fighting fire with fire.

        Forgive us if watching them brings to mind the inept Principal Ed Rooney in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off. When Rooney realizes Ferris is playing hooky after already missing class nine times, he grits his teeth and insists to his secretary Grace that this occasion will be different. This time, the truant will be caught. This time, Ed Rooney will teach him a lesson.

        “Oh, Ed, you sounded like Dirty Harry just then,” marvels an admiring Grace. A pleased Rooney makes his meanest Clint Eastwood scowl. It’s easy to imagine Newsom, Hochul, and Pritzker practicing similar faces in a mirror. They’re making vigilante promises they can’t keep.

        ...

        If the plan remains out-toughing the GOP, or winning press conferences rather than swing districts, it will end with Democrats as defeated as the pathetic principal at the end of Ferris Bueller: suit tattered, shoes lost to a dog, car towed, hitching a ride on a school bus. With Mike Johnson and the Republicans still wielding the gavel in the US House—and with the reactionary, unhinged GOP wielding power in a consolidated autocracy for the next generation.

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  20. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   5 hours ago

    Yay Syrians are moving into Germany. How is their stabbing and gang rape rates?

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

      Pretty low still since the victims could have been drunk and they learned to say they are sorry, so not a crime.

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      1. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

        At least some of them might only jack off on the victims, so there's that.

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        1. Chumby   3 hours ago

          Were they remorseful afterwards?

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  21. MollyGodiva   5 hours ago

    Powell can only to so much to help the economy when Trump is busy trashing it. No matter what Powell does Trump will blame everything on him, the the best move would be to ignore politics and do what he and the other board members think is right.

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   5 hours ago

      Why should they be able to control the economy?

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      1. MollyGodiva   4 hours ago

        The Fed does not "control" the economy. They regulate the supply of money.

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        1. Gaear Grimsrud   4 hours ago

          Which of course does not control the economy?

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        2. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   4 hours ago

          And they’ve done a shit ass job of it by printing all the money they can and making the cost of goods and services increase drastically since they were founded.

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          1. MollyGodiva   3 hours ago

            Inflation is a natural byproduct of a country decoupling their currency from gold.

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            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 hours ago

              Which was the cause of the Great Depression, right shitstain?

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        3. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 hours ago

          I’m not starving my children, I’m just controlling the food supply.

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        4. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 hours ago

          MG, the shit-stain of the commentariat, lies; it’s all s/he ever does. MG a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies s/he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know s/he’s a liar.
          If anything s/he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          MG lies; it’s what s/he does. MG is a lying pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.

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          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   3 hours ago

            Woah. Slow down a sec. We have quite a few contenders for shitstain of the commentariat.

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            1. Chumby   3 hours ago

              Molly is challenging sarc for the title of village idiot though nobody’s taking the crown of town drunk off the mantle in his cardboard box house.

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    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

      What's being trashed?

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      1. MollyGodiva   4 hours ago

        Tariffs are fucking with trade. Sudden federal budget cuts hurt the economy. Trump being a dick to all immigrants has drastically cut visits by foreigners. Even the Canadians are staying away. Cuts to health care and the social safety nets will push low income people further into poverty.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

          Why is trade still stable, PPI shows nominal changes to imports in number and cost, CPI is nominal.

          Number of visitors to the US has remained unchanged.

          No impact has happened, in fact stop and growth are up.

          Are you okay doc retard? You seem to be having delusions.

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        2. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   4 hours ago

          If the economy can be hurt by sudden federal budget cuts, then the federal government is too fucking big, you retard.

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        3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 hours ago

          MG, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all s/he ever does. MG a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies s/he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know s/he’s a liar.
          If anything s/he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          MG lies; it’s what s/he does. MG is a lying pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.

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        4. TJJ2000   4 hours ago

          "Cutting 'Armed-Theft' = Poverty!", Molly the Criminal.
          Maybe you aught to try to EARN something for once in your pathetic criminal existence eh?

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        5. MT-Man   3 hours ago

          Apologies to ML on here, but I'm ok with less Labatt/Molson can around the lakes so if it's less visitors great.

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  22. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

    'Decades ago, Robert Moses really messed things up for people living in the Bronx when he razed whole communities to make the Cross Bronx Expressway.'

    Fun fact: Moses designed parkways in the NYC metro area, and counties to the east, with deliberately low clearances under bridges to keep buses, and the peasants, from using them (and reaching parks and beaches outside the city).

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    1. SRG2   3 hours ago

      Yup.

      FWIW only when you drive over the Cross-Bronx on, say, a Saturday morning at 8.00am do you realise how short it is. Normally it takes a long time so gives the impression of distance.

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  23. sarcasmic   5 hours ago

    Couple headlines from the Daily Mail.

    Trump administration to rescreen 55 MILLION visa holders in dramatic deportation escalation
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15022915/trump-administration-rescreen-legal-visa-holders-deportation-escalation.html

    If you can't find illegals, create them!

    Trump's FBI raids John Bolton's home while he was INSIDE as part of national security investigation
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15024743/Trump-FBI-raids-John-Boltons-home-national-security.html

    Let the retribution begin! (and it's ok because Democrats did it first)

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

      A) did you read the order? The screening regards those on visas who have committed crimes. Just above youre making the claim with jeff they dont do so, so why worry?

      B) what happened to nobody is above the law? Your interest seems to be protect all bad actors who abused their power.

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      1. MollyGodiva   4 hours ago

        A) Quite false. They are looking not just at crimes, but also speech and political activity.
        B) That died a long time ago. Final nail was SCOTUS giving Trump full immunity for any crimes he commits as President.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

          You mean looking at the conditions of a visa? Lol. Will more crimes be found or more terrorist support? Note it is literally public support of terrorists in the order. A violation of the visa.

          What crimes molly? The fake one generated by Letitia?

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        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 hours ago

          "Final nail was SCOTUS giving Trump full immunity for any crimes he commits as President."

          MG, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all s/he ever does. MG a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies s/he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know s/he’s a liar.
          If anything s/he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          MG lies; it’s what s/he does. MG is a lying pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.

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          1. Michael Ejercito   3 hours ago

            The dumb bitch did not even read the ruling. "At a minimum, the President must therefore be immune from prosecution for an official act unless the Government can show that applying a criminal prohibition to that act would pose no “dangers of intrusion on the authority and functions of the Executive Branch.” " Trump v. United States, No. 23-939 slip. op. at 14 (Jul 1, 2024)

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        3. TrickyVic (old school)   11 minutes ago

          Presidents have had immunity for official acts prior to Trump.

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  24. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

    'ederal employees going into retirement used to have to deal with an entirely paper-based process, up until Gebbia's involvement. This summer, the process was digitized; paper forms were phased out for new retirees and online portals were created. The old limestone mine in Pennsylvania, which housed the federal government's retired records (seriously!), will at some point become totally defunct, thanks to the digitization efforts of this administration.'

    Hmm, what if we sent retired feds to the mine?

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

      They didnt ask congress so this is wrong- sarc

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      1. Medulla Oblongata   3 hours ago

        It was also wrong when Congress actually cut stuff.

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  25. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

    "U.S. District Judge Kathleen Williams of the Southern District of Florida said Thursday that the government had 60 days to remove fencing, lighting, generators, sewage facilities and other major parts of the Florida facility. She also ordered a halt to new construction and said it shouldn't accept any new detainees."

    Chicks.

    But I assume Williams has not volunteered to house those hard-working fathers at her place.

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  26. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

    'Fascinating essay on new research that (among other things) provides further evidence that middle and lower class married moms are mostly likely to want to be stay-at-home moms.'

    What about cat ladies?

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    1. mad.casual   2 hours ago

      Conservative, mid-to-lower class mom is the new Black.

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  27. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

    Disney and Democrats (but I repeat myself) have the same problem...

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/disney-chased-men-out-of-marvel-and-star-wars-now-they-want-them-back/ar-AA1KYasx

    When Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy wore a “The Force is Female” T-shirt at a 2018 Nike event, it sent a message that didn’t sit well with many Star Wars fans. The slogan, tied to a women’s empowerment campaign, suggested a shift that felt out of step with the saga’s loyal, mostly male audience. Marvel faced a similar storm, with its post-Endgame focus on heroines like She-Hulk and Ms. Marvel earning the nickname “M-She-U” from frustrated fans who felt male heroes were being sidelined.

    Disney wanted to make Star Wars and Marvel more inclusive, but in doing so, they overlooked the heart of their audience. A 2024 Wrap report shows Star Wars fans are 65-70% male, and the MCU’s audience is 60-65% male.

    By chasing broader appeal, Disney drifted from the adventure and heroism that defined these franchises, leaving many fans feeling unheard. Now, in 2025, with young male fans turning away, Disney is trying to recapture the magic with stories aimed at “guys.” But after years of disconnect, the question looms: can they rebuild trust with the fans they inherited?

    https://www.npr.org/2025/06/13/nx-s1-5415878/democrats-young-men-trump

    Young men swung for Trump in 2024. Democrats are working on a plan to win them back

    "When you watch, oftentimes, a party losing people in an election year, that's not the head, that's the tail," he told NPR. "The reason you lose in an election year is because you lost them long before."

    Now, Democrats are hoping that young men aren't lost to the GOP forever. For several emerging leaders in the party — and potential contenders in the 2028 presidential race — that has meant making these voters a bigger priority, both in their policy proposals and in messaging that is increasingly tailored to them.

    When it came to politics, many expressed feeling disappointed by government officials. More than half of survey respondents said they had a somewhat or very unfavorable view of Republicans. That number rose to 73% when respondents were asked about Democrats.

    Thinking back to his conversations in the focus groups, Della Volpe recalled participants saying that Democrats didn't understand or care what their lives were like. He said some also expressed skepticism in the party's ability to implement policy that could directly impact on their lives.

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

      This has been hilarious to watch. Call boys and men evil for a decade, think you can win them back with surveys.

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    2. Randy Sax   4 hours ago

      The biggest dem cope is when they say "young men agree with us on policy, we just have a messaging problem". Policy for the past 10 years has been to kick young men in the nuts and call them scum.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

        That just proves that men are sexist, right?

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    3. Super Scary   4 hours ago

      I had to tap out of Star Wars after they turned The Mandalorian from a space western to a showcase of celebrity cameos and turned the MC into a toady for a girlboss character from a cartoon.

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    4. MollyGodiva   4 hours ago

      The best Star Wars content released in a decade is Andor, which is male dominated.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

        So now youre a biologist?

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      2. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 hours ago

        Sounds gay.

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      3. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 hours ago

        Andor season 2 was 8 hours and 30 minuits of trash and 30 min of decent scenes. It was a trash show. Granted it is the best the retards at Disney have produced

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      4. damikesc   1 hour ago

        Not exactly high praise.

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    5. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 hours ago

      But after years of disconnect, the question looms: can they rebuild trust with the fans they inherited?

      No. Once trust is actually lost, it takes 2 or 3 times the effort to win that trust back.

      They were already on thin ice when they had examples of what made the audience geek out, like Luke Skywalker wreaking havoc on The Mandalorian or Darth Vader on Rogue One. The audience wants to see their male heroes kicking ass and taking names, and if girls happen to be along for the ride, like Cara Dune, that's fine. Instead, they insisted all their shit sandwiches were like 40-ounce prime ribs. Their credibility is gone.

      that has meant making these voters a bigger priority, both in their policy proposals and in messaging that is increasingly tailored to them.

      It's always about framing with these people. Not actually providing empirical examples of why men should support them.

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    6. mad.casual   52 minutes ago

      By chasing broader appeal

      This only makes sense as a pun.

      Star Wars and The MCU might be only 60-70% male but that's just a poor proxy for the gender role appeal. This whole idea of homo-genital entertainment isn't even 3rd-grade level stupid. It's like, if there were some sex-related empathy center of the brain, they've all had it irradiated.

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  28. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

    Canada wants to deport vehicular murderer immigrant...he says he should get to stay because he has a special needs child that would not get adequate care in India.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/migrant-truck-driver-responsible-for-16-deaths-fights-deportation/ss-AA1KWpA0

    "It happened because of my lack of experience."

    A truck driver who spent only four years behind bars after killing half a junior ice hockey team in a horror crash is fighting deportation to India. Jaskirat Singh Sidhu, 36, barreled through a stop sign at 53 to 60mph and a bus carrying 29 players and staff from the Humboldt Broncos couldn't stop in time.

    It emerged soon after the 2019 tragedy that Sidhu had committed 70 violations of federal and provincial trucking regulations in the 11 days leading up to the crash. Most of those were discrepancies in his log book, which is designed to monitor how much time drivers spend on the road to prevent them becoming dangerously fatigued.

    Sidhu's permanent residency was revoked early last year and the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada ordered his deportation. His lawyer Michael Greene responded in July last year by applying to reinstate his permanent residency on humanitarian grounds, setting up a legal battle that could take two years. Greene argued the crash was a tragic accident for which Sidhu had atoned in prison and his child, a Canadian citizen by birth, would suffer in India. 'Now, it's against the horrific nature of the consequences of his mistake. He pretty much has everything else going for him in terms of humanitarian grounds,' he said. 'In this case, it really makes a difference. It would be very difficult for that child to live in India with his health conditions. So the best interests of the child is a big issue for him.'

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

      He should be deported for calling India a shithole country.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

        He should be stabbed and left for polar bears to finish off.

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      2. Chumby   3 hours ago

        New Zealand morning tv host got fired for calling a diplomat from India “Dick Shit.”

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6QVzKihKiYI&pp=

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  29. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

    I'm really not sure what this tells me about Democrats...not that even they found a line they wished they hadn't crossed despite that implication in the headline. Before I read past the headline, I was thinking "So maybe there is a line they regret crossing." Nope. I guess the takeaway is that Democrats cannot be trusted with even mayoral-level endorsement procedural voting without fucking it up, perhaps that Democrats are simply incapable of administering democracy at any level.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/minnesota-democrats-revoke-mayoral-endorsement-for-self-proclaimed-socialist-omar-fateh/ar-AA1KYJGE

    Minnesota’s Democratic Party revoked its endorsement of self-proclaimed socialist Omar Fateh, a Minneapolis mayoral candidate and state senator, weeks after handing Fateh the endorsement over incumbent Mayor Jacob Frey.

    The Minneapolis Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party decided to revoke the democratic socialist’s endorsement over concerns about errors in the endorsing convention. The party announced on Sunday that it failed to count all delegate votes at the meeting in which Fateh was endorsed, and nearly 100 individuals, including Frey, have challenged the vote.

    Although Fateh received 328 votes and Frey 227 votes, a review found that 176 votes were not counted due to an electronic voting system failure. Fateh won by a show-of-hands vote.

    “What should’ve been an orderly, fair and transparent endorsement process instead became a textbook example of systematic dysfunction. One that disenfranchised members of our party, broke our own rules, and undermined trust both inside and outside the convention hall,” said one challenger, former DFL chair Mike Erlandson.

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

      That thing with voting that never happens happened again.

      They also rushed a vote after a lot of voters left briefly to take a break.

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      1. Chumby   3 hours ago

        Voting Machine Failure Due to Trump Tariffs

        - Eric Boehm

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  30. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

    Nothing like throwing good money after bad...

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gerrymandering-california-and-a-fight-the-democrats-can-only-lose/ar-AA1KZCpl

    According to recent estimates, the special election alone could cost California taxpayers more than $200 million. This is before factoring in the hundreds of millions more that will be poured into newly competitive districts by both parties and their aligned super PACs.

    Newsom said he wants the special election held on the first Tuesday in November, aligning it with local elections already scheduled in many communities. That timing, he argued, would make it easier to organize quickly and could help offset an estimated cost of more than $200 million - though he added that "there's too much at stake" to be deterred by the price.

    "How much did it cost to have the theatrics with the National Guard and Trump?" Newsom asked, pointing to the president's recent deployment of thousands of troops in Los Angeles to quell immigration-related protests. "How many hundreds of millions of dollars was wasted?"

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    1. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

      Oh, and keeping with the notion that Democracy cannot administer democracy (above)...it seems that California of all places actually did something right vis-a-vis redistricting. But of course, now that all has to be trashed because orange man bad...

      (same link)

      Opponents note that California's commission process has worked. In 2021, the commission passed congressional and legislative maps unanimously, without a single lawsuit. It held more than 250 public meetings, heard thousands of hours of testimony, and reviewed more than 35,000 public comments.

      The result was widely hailed as transparent, independent, and fair.

      Newsom has framed the move as both practical and principled. "It's always the right thing to do the right thing," he told reporters on August 8, even as his critics argue the numbers don't justify the gamble.

      Democrats now control 43 of California's 52 House seats, including several competitive districts that flipped from Republican to Democratic hands last November.

      Current congressional lines drawn by California's independent commission are already winnable for Democrats. A targeted investment in competitive districts, like seats held by Reps. Kiley, Valadao, Kim, and Calvert, could flip at least four seats in a favorable cycle without the need to touch the commission.

      Our national analysis of the proposed gerrymandered districts shows no guaranteed net gain for Democrats. Some newly drawn seats could even swing Republican in a strong GOP year.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

        The bigger story is looking into the independent members of the commission. Shocking to find out they aren't actually independents.

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      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

        "The result was widely hailed as transparent, independent, and fair."

        California 2024 Presidential election results:
        Trump 38%
        Harris 58%

        California US House reps:
        Republicans 17%
        Democrats 83%

        "Fair"?

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        1. Medulla Oblongata   3 hours ago

          Certainly more so than what Newsome will draw.

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          1. Minadin   2 hours ago

            Already has drawn. Like it was in the works or something. The new map brings it to over 90% Democrat districts, in theory.

            https://x.com/VoteHubUS/status/1956520187060216137

            The final draft map from the California state legislature is now public.

            Our partisanship index (2024/2020 presidential results composite) shows:
            48 Democratic seats (+5)
            4 Republican seats (-5)

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        2. Zeb   3 hours ago

          That's really not enough information to draw a conclusion from. There are many factors that could produce such an outcome without heavily biased districts. People don't always vote a straight party ticket and Trump's appeal doesn't follow traditional party lines. How populations with different political leanings are distributed geographically matters too. And you have to ask "what does 'fair; mean?". Does fairness mean districts must be drawn in such a way that representation exactly reflects the political partisan makeup of a state? That sounds like a demand for gerrymandering of a particular sort. Or is a more arbitrary process that doesn't take that into account more fair?

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      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 hours ago

        The only thing that's going to happen here is a bunch of other red states are going to gerrymander in response. The only other blue state that can really be gerrymandered any further that would have an impact is Colorado, but even at that they'd only pick up another 3 seats at best. The 3rd already has Pueblo, Durango, Grand Junction, and several ski towns, the 7th has the west Denver metro and is already majority Dem, and the 8th has the northwest Denver metro. Best they could do is carve up the 5th and leave the 4th as the only solid Republican majority seat.

        California and New York are already gerrymandered to hell and the seats they pick up will be minimal. States like Washington and Oregon are dominated by a single county. Meanwhile, the Republicans can pick up seats several other states, even in smaller ones by gerrymandering out one or two Dem seats, similar to what Maryland, Illinois, and New Mexico did with the Reps after 2020. They're also trending in Pennsylvania and can do the same there if they get majorities, because Dem support everywhere is falling through the floor. If the Reps get back control of Arizona, that's going to happen as well.

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    2. Michael Ejercito   3 hours ago

      "How much did it cost to have the theatrics with the National Guard and Trump?" Newsom asked, pointing to the president's recent deployment of thousands of troops in Los Angeles to quell immigration-related protests. "How many hundreds of millions of dollars was wasted?"
      That was not a waste.

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  31. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 hours ago

    Hey LIZ!!!!!
    Still waiting for that flood of Trump/Epstein stuff you promised a couple of weeks ago!

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  32. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 hours ago

    Hey, Newsom:
    "Bed Bath & Beyond says it won’t open stores in California: ‘Overregulated, expensive and risky’"
    [...]
    "Bed Bath & Beyond on Wednesday said it will not open stores or operate in California as it issued a scathing rebuke of the state’s intense lefty policies.
    Marcus Lemonis, executive chairman of Bed Bath & Beyond, said the decision “isn’t about politics – it’s about reality.”
    “California has created one of the most overregulated, expensive and risky environments for businesses in America,” he said in a press release.
    “The result? Higher taxes, higher fees, higher wages that many businesses simply cannot sustain, and endless regulations that strangle growth.”..."
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/bed-bath-beyond-says-it-won-t-open-stores-in-california-overregulated-expensive-and-risky/ar-AA1KTNL2?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    You and Breed pretty much permanently destroyed downtown SF shopping; now you're going to go statewide?

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  33. mad.casual   4 hours ago

    A needlessly antagonistic Matt Bruenig piece (but I repeat myself!) responding to Kelsey Piper casting doubt on the efficacy of universal basic income measures.

    Usual "economics don't make moral arguments" critical flaw of UBI that keep getting glossed over: if no one values a needlessly antagonistic Matt Breunig piece, no one, rather than everyone, should have to pay for a needlessly antagonistic Matt Bruenig piece.

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  34. Randy Sax   4 hours ago

    A needlessly antagonistic Matt Bruenig piece (but I repeat myself!) responding to Kelsey Piper casting doubt on the efficacy of universal basic income measures.

    What all these beneficiary populations have in common is that they are not working and therefore must get their income from someplace other than the labor market. Provisioning out income to the half of the population that exists outside the labor market at any given time is the central task of the welfare state and the central challenge of keeping poverty low.

    It is amusing to imagine someone conducting this sort of research on typical welfare recipients. After checking in on the sample for the fourth year in a row, the foundation-funded researcher studiously writes that, despite receiving tens of thousands of cash dollars over the period, the retiree still has no job, the paralyzed woman still can’t walk, and the man with dementia has actually seen his cognitive abilities decline rather than improve.

    Welfare recipients are a permanent drain on society and UBI will never fix it.

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  35. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

    No surprise on either front...

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/john-roberts-joins-all-liberal-justices-in-supreme-court-dissent/ar-AA1KYGoR

    The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that the Trump administration can move forward with slashing hundreds of millions of dollars in federal research funding as part of its effort to roll back diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) initiatives.

    In a narrow 5-4 decision, the justices lifted a lower court order that had blocked $783 million in cuts made by the National Institutes of Health (NIH). The majority's unsigned order frees the administration to proceed with canceling grants already targeted for elimination, while leaving in place restrictions on the administration's guidance for future funding decisions.

    Conservative Chief Justice John Roberts joined the court's three liberals in dissent, warning that the funding freeze should have remained in effect while litigation continues.

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    1. I, Woodchipper   3 hours ago

      please, i can only get so excited. Its too much.

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      1. Medulla Oblongata   3 hours ago

        Prepare for overload, then.

        https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/5463288-trump-admin-wins-tps-case/

        Appeals court allows DHS to end protected status for Nicaraguans, Hondurans and Nepalese residents

        A federal appeals court late Wednesday sided with the Trump administration in lifting a stay that was blocking deportations of immigrants from Nicaragua, Honduras and Nepal as they continue to litigate the legality of the move.

        The decision by a three-judge panel for the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals overturns a lower court decision that blocked the Trump administration’s plans to end Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for the three countries, saying the plaintiffs had shown there was sufficient racial animus behind the decision.

        TPS bars deportation for its recipients, who come from countries the U.S. has deemed to be too impacted by natural disasters or civil unrest to facilitate returns.

        The Trump administration celebrated the ruling, which will allow them to strip work permits from TPS holders and begin deportations as courts continue to weigh whether they followed the letter of the law in ending the status.

        Some 51,000 Hondurans and nearly 3,000 Nicaraguans who have been in the country for roughly 25 years will need to leave the country by September, while the decision will also impact roughly 7,000 Nepalese citizens.

        “This is yet another huge legal victory for the Trump Administration, the rule of law, safety of the American public. Temporary Protected Status was always meant to be just that: Temporary,” the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) said in a statement.

        “TPS was never meant to be a de facto asylum system, yet that is how previous administrations have used it for decades while allowing hundreds of thousands of foreigners into the country without proper vetting. This unanimous decision will help restore integrity to our immigration system to keep our homeland and its people safe.”

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  36. Stupid Government Tricks   4 hours ago

    "But the Fed's job isn't to curry favor with the administration"

    Nor is it the Fed's job to spend $3 BILLION dollars remodeling its building. He ought to be in jail for that. It's called theft out in the real world. Lawyers probably call it embezzlement or conversion or some high-falutin' Latin term.

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  37. I, Woodchipper   4 hours ago

    "More than 83,000 Syrians became German citizens last year, the largest group by far. And about two-thirds of refugees who arrived from 2013 to 2019 now have jobs, with their employment level just 9 percentage points below the national average, according to the Institute for Employment Research."

    This is actually massive. Why would you import millions who will be 1/3 unemployed and leach off your welfare? What is the actual point of doing this to your people?

    I like how they try to present this as a positive thing like "oh ok i guess mass migration to my country isnt so bad they only have 1/3 of them living on free benefits after 10 years!"

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   3 hours ago

      Did you swe what's happening in UK? After a judge allowed a district to shut down migrant hotels a flood of other districts followed suit. So the leftists in government are now trying to tie up all rental properties with guaranteed 5 year rents, full refurbishing/damage fixes, at higher rates for the migrants. Meanwhile their wait list for citizen support of government subsidy help for rentals remain at all time highs.

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      1. Marshal   1 hour ago

        Third world immigrants are more reliable votes.

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    2. Medulla Oblongata   3 hours ago

      Importing poverty is sure to pay off in the long run. They think that the welfare multipliers of public spending are like 6:1 or something. And that bringing in 100k Islamists who say openly they want to overthrow the government (all governments) and install a global caliphate is just a "cultural thing" that has no bearing.

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    3. mad.casual   3 hours ago

      Imagine looking at employment rates being 9 points lower for a decade and saying "It's not so bad."

      The whole AGW thing makes sense now. It's not about actual lives or cost benefits. It's about spewing words like berjillions! at the people who know the proverbial 'exception to the average'. People who think being good at Sudoku means you're good at math.

      This was pretty obvious before but it's even more obvious now that "Get the government out of schools and end public education." needs to be global policy with more of an 'or else' behind it. Like "Government education will guarantee that all your workers and all your scientists will be more stupid than an adversaries' AI. Always. If you don't want [your country]'s citizens to be subjects to Gemini or ChatGPT or DeepSeek end your public education system now."

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      1. Medulla Oblongata   2 hours ago

        AGW has NEVER been about the things they say it has been about. It's always been watermelon through and through.

        For example, let's look at the IPCC report on climate change...Let's see...it doesn't seem to be about the effect of climate on plants and animals (and humans). It does mention climatey things...It said that without action to address the problem, by the year 2100, hundreds of millions of people could be affected by coastal flooding and displaced due to land loss. "Impacts from recent extreme climatic events, such as heat waves, droughts, floods, and wildfires, show significant vulnerability and exposure of some ecosystems and many human systems to climate variability," the report warned.

        But mainly, the IPCC report seems to be about poverty and income inequality and funding needed to address it.

        The report also said climate change had the largest impact on people who are socially and economically marginalized. "Climate change will exacerbate poverty in low and lower-middle income countries, including high mountain states, countries at risk from sea-level rise, and countries with indigenous peoples, and create new poverty pockets in upper-middle to high-income countries in which inequality is increasing," [the report] said.

        But funding needed to offset the impact of climate change is lacking, the report warned, saying developing countries would need between $70 billion to $100 billion a year to implement needed measures. And efforts to reduce the effects of climate change would only have a marginal effect on reducing poverty unless "structural inequalities are addressed and needs for equity among poor and nonpoor people are met."

        It's not about climate change or environmentalism, and it really hasn't been for a long time...it's about socialist economic policy--redistribution of wealth. The leaders of the movement readily admit as much.

        (OTTMAR EDENHOFER, UN IPCC OFFICIAL): "Basically it’s a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War... First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

        Rep. Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff, Saikat Chakrabarti: “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all...Do you guys think of it as a climate thing? Because we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing,” he added.

        Emma Brindal, a climate justice campaigner coordinator for Friends of the Earth: “A climate change response must have at its heart a redistribution of wealth and resources.”

        Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), then representing the Clinton-Gore administration as U.S undersecretary of state for global issues: “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.”

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        1. Rick James   1 hour ago

          AGW has NEVER been about the things they say it has been about. It's always been watermelon through and through.

          The thing is never the thing, the thing is always the revolution.

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          1. mad.casual   40 minutes ago

            +1 I keep falling for the illusion that people claiming to use their brains might actually be using their brains.

            Just that you think people operating on the 0.01 degrees per year and 0.01% per year begins to add up level would look at "This policy has caused 9 points more unemployment in the last decade." and [shrug].

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      2. I, Woodchipper   48 minutes ago

        Imagine looking at employment rates being 9 points lower for a decade and saying "It's not so bad."

        And they cherry-picked the data. They chose a cohort of migrants spanning 6 specific years from between 12 and 6 years ago and found "only 9 percent below average unemployment!" After 6 to 12 years of being there.

        God only knows how bad the numbers from from the 1-6 year cohort that these jOuRnALiStS conveniently ignored.

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  38. Dillinger   3 hours ago

    >>did the CEO say the old man was racist?

    didn't have to you can see it in her eyes.

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  39. Dillinger   3 hours ago

    >>U.S. District Judge Kathleen Williams of the Southern District of Florida said Thursday that the government had 60 days to remove fencing, lighting, generators, sewage facilities and other major parts of the Florida facility. She also ordered a halt to new construction ...

    did she run that by whatever family oversees Florida construction?

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  40. Marshal   3 hours ago

    Fascinating essay on new research that (among other things) provides further evidence that middle and lower class married moms are mostly likely to want to be stay-at-home moms.

    I find it fascinating people seem to find this a breakthrough. The simple truth is that work sucks, that's why they invented a whole different word from "fun". The amount of money it takes to overcome the net emotional toll precludes being lower or middle class.

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    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 hours ago

      "Work is work. You don't show up late, you don't make excuses, and you don't not work. If it wasn't work, they wouldn't call it work. They'd call it super, wonderful, crazy fun time. Or skippity-doo."

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      1. Dillinger   37 minutes ago

        Red was awesome

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    2. Zeb   2 hours ago

      Well, having to have a job sucks. Work can be pretty rewarding. And for a lot of people not working sucks.

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      1. Rick James   1 hour ago

        And women seem to express a lot of choice about 'ideal work arrangements', funny that. Excuse me, may I discuss MY "Ideal work arrangement"? Researcher: shut the fuck up dude, and get back to work.

        Media 5 years later: WAGE GAP WAGE GAP WAGE GAP *SQWAK* WAGE GAP!

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        1. Marshal   49 minutes ago

          Right. You know why women work less? Because they can.

          The entire complaint from feminists is misusing statistics to create political pressure to advantage elite women over more qualified men. The goal is to give women the same rewards without requiring them to put in the same work to achieve them. The consistent theme among leftists is to substitute political pressure for accomplishment.

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      2. Marshal   54 minutes ago

        Work can be pretty rewarding.

        It's very obvious this claim is based on thinking about a small subset of jobs. People who clean toilets for a living don't think this.

        Not having a job obviously sucks worse, but at that point you're not evaluating whether the work itself is emotionally "rewarding".

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  41. Dillinger   3 hours ago

    are Parker and Stone clever enough to portray Vance as Tattoo because T can be viewed through a Roark from Fountainhead lens or is it a delicious coincidence?

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  42. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 hours ago

    Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell is expected to give (what will probably be) his last address today in Jackson Hole, Wyoming

    Yeah, nothing says "We're concerned about the American economy" like holding your annual meeting in one of the most notable champagne marxist havens in the country.

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  43. Dillinger   3 hours ago

    >>Two-thirds of [Syrian] asylum-seekers who arrived [in Germany] a decade ago

    pretty boring season of Homeland until Quinn got poisoned

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  44. Minadin   2 hours ago

    please explain how the cracker barrel rebrand is woke, rather than merely soulless and tragic?

    Woke = Soulless and Tragic.

    The math is very simple.

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  45. Rick James   2 hours ago

    can someone please explain how the cracker barrel rebrand is woke, rather than merely soulless and tragic?

    I don't know anything about Cracker Barrel rebrand, but corporate wokeness is definitionally soulless and tragic, so it very well could be woke.

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    1. Zeb   1 hour ago

      I don't know much, but I've seen the old and new and it looks to me more like trendy marketing stuff than any politically motivated thing. There has been a trend for a while towards simple, clean logos. And how do we even know the race of the old guy? He's orange in the logo. (I assume that's why some people think it's woke, though it has seemed up to now like the woke logo revisions have focused on erasing black people like Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben.)

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      1. Rick James   1 hour ago

        I don't watch normie TV, but given what little I have over the last 5 years, and the jaw-dropping depiction of um, 'racial diversity' that popped up in commercials after 2020, one wonders what actors they'd hire for an Aunt Jemima or Uncle Ben's ad.

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      2. Dillinger   1 hour ago

        >>I don't know much

        the corporation has several DEI departments and a Karen CEO with crazy eyes. start there.

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        1. Minadin   59 minutes ago

          She's the Kathleen Kennedy of Restaurant CEO's.

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  46. shadydave   19 minutes ago

    The Federal Reserve is a political organization and its chair a politician. It's decrees are politically driven. Trump pulling back the mask on this farce of "independence" is a good thing. What Trump wants to do by wielding this power for himself is a very bad thing.

    One of the most basic criticisms of central banking in the first place was that it would be so powerful that there'd be no getting rid of it even if it turned out to be a terrible idea. Well it's turned out to be a terrible idea...

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