Trump's Immigration Crackdown Imperils the Fourth Amendment Rights of U.S. Citizens
A federal court says U.S. citizens “are likely to succeed in showing” that immigration agents violated their rights.

The Fourth Amendment's guarantee against unreasonable searches and seizures has been regrettably whittled down over the years by the federal courts. Still, some meaningful protections contained in the amendment have managed to persist in U.S. law. As an example, consider a recent federal appellate court decision arising from the Trump administration's immigration crackdown in Los Angeles.
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Last week, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit largely affirmed a lower court ruling that found that the Trump administration was likely guilty of conducting illegal immigration raids in the greater Los Angeles area that violated the Fourth Amendment rights of multiple U.S. citizens.
Generally speaking, Fourth Amendment caselaw requires that an officer must have reasonable suspicion of criminal activity in order to stop someone. In the immigration context, a federal officer must have reasonable suspicion that a person is in violation of immigration law in order to detain them.
In this case, Perdomo v. Noem, the lower court held, and the appellate court agreed, that the Trump administration was apparently carrying out immigration raids and arrests without any semblance of reasonable suspicion, which invariably meant that U.S. citizens were also getting caught up in the federal dragnet.
Indeed, according to the 9th Circuit, multiple U.S. citizens "are likely to succeed in showing" that they were unlawfully seized by federal immigration officials who targeted them exclusively because of their race, language, appearance, or location. Anyone "who appears Hispanic, speaks Spanish or English with an accent, wears work clothes, and stands near a carwash, in front of a Home Depot, or at a bus stop," the 9th Circuit observed, was at risk of being ensnared in what Trump officials dubbed "Operation at Large."
Among those who actually were ensnared in that particular federal operation was a U.S. citizen named Jason Brian Gavidia. Here is how the 9th Circuit described his likely illegal treatment at the hands of federal officers:
One agent ordered him to "Stop right there" while another "ran towards [him]." The agents repeatedly asked Gavidia whether he is American—and they repeatedly ignored his answer: "I am an American." The agents asked Gavidia what hospital he was born in—and he explained that he did not know which hospital. "The agents forcefully pushed [Gavidia] up against the metal gated fence, put [his] hands behind [his] back, and twisted [his] arm." An agent asked again, "What hospital were you born in?" Gavidia again explained that he did not know which hospital and said "East L.A." He then told the agents he could show them his Real ID. The agents took Gavidia's ID and his phone and kept his phone for 20 minutes. They never returned his ID.
In response to the 9th Circuit's decision, which kept in place a temporary restraining order imposed against the federal government's L.A. immigration operation, Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman Tricia McLaughlin complained that "unelected judges are undermining the will of the American people."
But McLaughlin is mistaken about the proper role of the courts. The whole point of the Fourth Amendment is to outlaw the kind of abusive government behavior at issue in a case like this one. The American people should be heartened by the thought of federal judges actually putting the Fourth Amendment to its intended use.
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While it isn’t necessarily “either/or”, keeping the rapefugees here is violating the rights of American citizens. They are now being rounded up and deported. Buh-bye!
Now try addressing the point in the article - if you can.
Which point shrike? Because the article leads a lot of the basic facts out. Such as many of these California raids coming off of warrants based on suspicion of illegal employment. It also heavily relies om the theory that race is the sole reason to stop and ask when it is not.
The fact is we've been through this entire argiment roughly 15 years ago when you fucktard liberals tried to stop Arizona from similar acts. Scotus ruled on it then and it didnt go in plaintiffs favor. It was a mixed ruling but ultimately decided not every police stop was racist like you fucktards are trying again to say.
Should also point California's own laws regarding stop and ID. And the long history of it being upheld.
Are you being held hostage by some rapefugees making you type that? Or as you might call it, a romantic getaway.
The highest rape rate in the US, and possibly the world, is in Alaska.
ICE should round up every Alaskan and send them to South Sudan. They will enjoy the warmer weather.
NYC still holds the record for most illegal alien rapes of a corpse on a subway. What a fucking shithole of a place.
Some because place X might have more rapes than another place, ignoring all rapes by the illegal alien rapefugees is totes ok? Tony is going to be mad that you are contesting his “most retarded commenter” title. I think you have it in you to take him.
The native-born are ALSO threats to the Sacred Pubic Welfare! Some of them DO cummit murders!!! Send them ALL, these DIRTY invaders, back UP the birth canals that they came from!!!
Shit never ceases to amaze me, how the "logic" of the brutal cave-dwellers justifies just about ANYTHING that they want to do! Hey... Timmy McVeigh was a mass murderer and A WHITE DUDE!!! Therefore, let us send to El Salvador, without trial, for duly deserved TORTUROUS PUNISHMENT, all of the white dudes!!!
NYC still holds the record for most illegal alien rapes of a corpse on a subway. What a fucking shithole of a place.
We’re number 1!
The rape rate would be practically zero if we got rid of you democrats along with the illegals.
Studies suggest a disproportionately high rate of violence experienced by Alaska Native women at the hands of non-Alaska Native men. According to UNK, research indicates that Alaska Native women are primarily victimized by non-Alaska Native men, which differs from other rape demographics.
No right of yours is being violated.
What was done to Jason Brian Gavidia sounds like far less of a violation of his or anyone else's 4A rights than what the FBI/DOJ did at Mar-a-lago.
Violation of 4th amendment rights is a binary thing. Either your rights were violated or they weren't. Assuming the description of the incident is accurate, I'd say his rights were violated.
Once they saw he was a citizen (wasn't RealID supposed to make that clear in situations like this?), that should have been it and they should have apologized for inconveniencing him.
Papers, please.
We are repelling an invasion. There will be some inconveniences involved. Blame those who let the situation get out of control, not those trying to fix it.
I'm sympathetic to those trying trying to fix it. But I'm not willing to give up my rights to get it done.
VD is quite happy giving up the rights of others to get it done.
Just yours.
So instead you'll give away your rights to be overrun.
That's not a constitutional or natural right (beyond being able to defend your own property). It's a matter of policy, not a right, to have immigration and border controls. If congress had actually, legislatively enacted open borders, then that would be legitimate and constitutional as a national policy. And your rights to life, liberty and property continue to exist just as they have.
It isn't an invasion.
Not anymore now that Biden/Soros Global Elitists are no longer in power.
Okay let ICE arrest you without either probable cause or a warrant and enjoy the inconvenience.
On what grounds? Do you have evidence he is not a citizen?
The whole point is people are being rounded up without evidence. In fact we already know ICE has arrested a bunch of citizens. So everyone is fair game now.
"In fact we already know ICE has arrested a bunch of citizens.
Care to show some evidence? As far as I am aware, the only citizens ICE has arrested were interfering in the execution of their warrants. The media narrative makes it sound like citizens are getting rounded up by mistake in raids, but the guy in this story was detained, but not arrested. Not a smoking gun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1bwrT6x5-8
Army veteran detained during California ICE raid speaks out.
Held for 3 days, no due process. I think he is attempting to sue ICE. I wish him luck with that, but I feel QI or something will apply.
Is the detention of 1 citizen proof?
He said 'show some evidence" , so here is some evidence. Move the goal post all you like to keep your worldview intact, it doesn't bother me anymore.
The original comment was "people are being rounded up", and "ICE has arrested a bunch of citizens".
It is you who is moving the goalposts.
Not arrested.
He was freed.
Via due process.
Just sayin'.
If he's detained and not free to leave, then he has been arrested.
Actually, no. There is a distinction between the two, legally.
Being detained is not arrested. Being pulled over for a traffic stop, for example, is not an arrest but you are detained until such time as the citation is issued and you're sent on your way.
And, yes, I know this is "technically" correct pedantry. But, still...
Evidence? That sounds suspiciously like the due process that Trump and his defenders abhor.
This is beside the point. We need to reduce the proliferation of illegals, just like we need to reduce the proliferation of guns.
And democrats.
We don't have a problem with "the proliferation of guns." We have a problem with extreme violence from feral urban Black youth. The solution to that problem is to stop subsidizing the reproduction of indigent unmarried women.
Did they have evidence that this guy wasn't a citizen? No. As he is a citizen, no such evidence can exist.
I blame those who violate the rights of citizens to travel freely, for said violations. Joe Biden made me do it isn't a defense.
Lemme see your face/papers/bona fides, as juxtaposed to "We don't serve your kind around here." and/or bandits beating travelers and leaving them along the roadside for Samaritans to rescue has been local custom throughout the world for 10,000 yrs. The lions, bears, snakes, wolves, and bison of the world don't recognize your unfettered right to travel freely.
Either you enforce the social standard over the region or continent or every local tribe gets to agree to murder anyone who wanders onto "their territory" and there's nothing you can do about it. "Hey, that's not fair!" or "As my own sovereignty I claim unquestionable dominion over anywhere and everywhere I may roam." doesn't refute any of it one way or the other.
Would you prefer violence by citizens?
Because that is the next step.
You make legal and nice removal impossible --- it will cease being done legally and it sure as hell will not be done nicely.
Making the illegals dread every moment they are here that some mob is going to come for them will work to remove them. Would prefer that not occur, but reality is reality.
I prefer that American citizens not have force be used against them at the hands of our government without any probable cause.
They are not.
But, again, when blood is flowing in the streets, remember --- it is obvious where this is heading long before it goes there.
Yet you’re a democrat.
Nope.
Democrats don't give a shit about rights unless it serves their agenda. Libertarians give a shit about rights all the time. It's an important distinction. Maybe you think that makes libertarians naïve, but it doesn't make them Democrats.
We get it, you're pro-rape and murder of Americans because how dare they think they can have a sovereign country. That's all you're arguing with your "how dare you defend yourself" stance.
Nope. And that is one of the biggest leftist argument you got there: you're for mass murder for advocating for the 2nd Amendment rights, is next right.
"And then, for no particular reason at all, the German people decided to erect border checkpoints and ask each other for papers."
Would you feel better walking around campus with a gold star or a red triangle? Are you ready for what happened to the Soviet Union after the fall of The Berlin Wall?
You do know that comments like "Papers please." marginalizes the terror that people went through in Nazi Germany. Throughout Europe, all travel required special permission and that power was taken advantage of for all kinds of cruel and petty vindictiveness.
Citizens are not being restricted other than being asked to show ID. Illegal aliens will not be restricted if they choose to leave.
Citizens shouldn't have to prove their innocence. My ID is my middle finger. And an ID isn't proof of citizenship or legal residence anyway.
You’re just a democrat, not an American.
A RealID compliant ID card or a passport is very close to proof of citizenship or legal residence, and ICE and other authorities are regarding them as such. It is unfortunate that people who are here legally but who might arouse suspicion of being illegals need to carry them to avoid unnecessary detention, but that is where we are now due to the treasonous actions of previous administrations. We can't address the massive illegal immigration problem at this point without inconveniencing a few people due to their appearance and situation. It can be different in the future if we stay the course now and turn back the invasion.
OK fine, but at least acknowledge that it is at best a necessary evil. It is a terrible thing that this has to happen. I like to think that the major goals could be accomplished with a little less aggression, but that's another debate for another time.
Any other problematic phrases I need to avoid so I don't commit another microaggression?
Again, if you make correcting the mass illegal immigrant issue impossible to fix legally...it will be done.
Just not legally.
C'est la vie.
Follow the law and I've no objections. There is no statute that I'm aware of that requires a citizen to carry id to be submitted on demand by federal authorities except for border crossings or boarding a plane. They are free to ask a man to comply but when/if he refuses without articulated reasonable suspicion they can't detain him.
I’ll avoid the ridiculousness of Godwining immigration status, and ask how you propose to solve the problem created by previous administrations not getting a handle on illegal immigration?
I don't propose to solve anything. Just don't want American's rights being deported with the bath water.
I'm old enough to remember being told if you don't have anything to hide, you have nothing to worry about in the Patriot Act. Cue years later and parents are being labeled terrorists for protesting school boards, rioters are labeled insurrectionist and a presidential candidate is spied on for being a Russian spy....
I say no thanks to you or anyone else who thinks it wise to abandon American rights for the problems of today, because tomorrow will bring forth a new problem and I maybe that problem.
I’m old enough to remember that too, and while the Patriot Act probably made it easier to do all the things you mentioned, I don’t doubt for a second that they wouldn’t have happened regardless of its passing since The Democrats went full tilt crazy when Trump won in 16.
I legitimately don’t see a suitable answer to the problem we currently face thanks to the lackadaisical approach the political class has taken in regards to illegal immigration, especially over the last few years. Throwing our hands up and saying “oh well, the open borders zealots got us this time” is completely untenable as long as we’re handing out free money to people. At the same time, I understand the concerns that the current trajectory could lead to a more gestapo like US.
Anyone "who appears Hispanic, speaks Spanish or English with an accent, wears work clothes, and stands near a carwash, in front of a Home Depot, or at a bus stop" in LA is highly likely to be an illegal alien.
That pesky Constitution, right?
What is something shrike has never actually read.
The Bushpigs never do.
Wrong. California was Mexican before it was part of the US and most Mexican Americans in California were born in the US.
It was Mexican for less than 30 years. It was Spanish before then.
So, where does Mexico or Mexicans have any claim to any sliver of CA?
And Mexico was part of Spain before it was a country, what's your bloody point?
California was Mexican before it was part of the US and most Mexican Americans in California were born in the US.
Other than radical leftists, Californians never claim to be Mexican American. Why would they? Spain controlled California for 52 years. Mexico controlled it for only 27 years. Under the Treaty of Guadalupe, the US granted citizenship to all the people living in the areas ceded by Mexico. As of 1848, there were no Mexicans in California, they all came later.
If you can't tell the difference between an adult who grew up in Mexico and one who grew up in the US based on their language skills and accent, you are an idiot.
If you can’t tell the difference…you are an idiot.
Chuck, may I present charliehall as that idiot.
I liked "wears work clothes, and stands near a carwash, in front of a Home Depot, or at a bus stop" verbal, nihilist Rohrschach Test too.
Goddamned cops were arresting people standing outside banks, gas stations, and liquor stores wearing balaklavas! Can you believe it?
But I thought they didn't work and just mooched off of welfare. It's hard keeping all these stereotypes straight.
Notice those hotels they are staying in gratis in blue cities?
Notice how ending Medicaid for illegals is "tossing millions of people off of Medicaid" even though it is not impacting disabled citizens in any way, shape, or form?
Notice how much money is spent on illegals?
9th circuit. Didn't read.
Damon root. Didn't read.
FBI raiding a former President's home for Top Secret documents and taking his passport is just a faux pas, but generally how democracy works.
Local cops and/or immigration enforcement stopping some guy on the street and getting his ID and then releasing him is the collapse of civilization back to before the Magna Carta.
Just the one then?
All this crying and it's one guy so far?
Am guessing Soros has dirt on Koch.
And he didn't get tased or booked or his dog shot or positionally asphyxiated in front of onlookers... he got his real ID taken which, in IL and several other states, is SOP for a traffic stop (still petty if they weren't supposed to take it but nothing worthy of Reason's self-stupifying Constitution-rending panic).
Apparently you've never had your Constitutional rights violated by a law enforcement thug with total immunity, or you might feel differently. It's only a minor thing to have your ID disappeared and have to try endlessly to get it back, right? It's not a big deal trying to get your arrest record expunged so that you won't have a problem getting hired for the rest of your life? Never mind, you've already joined a team and no real world considerations can faze you now.
These mistakes happen and are corrected constantly. My wife was allegedly charged for armed robbery but was released without charge after it was determined she was in the area but not part of the crime. Many years later when looking to purchase a rifle she was denied. Once the courthouse clerks were contacted it was immediately realized that the charges were mistakenly recorded and would be removed immediately. Within two weeks nothing remained on her record.
Yes it was an inconvenience. Yes it was a mistake that actually cost her a job because she was not hired due to a background check that returned the charge on her record.
And yes it was finally fixed years later without lawyers or lawsuits or decrying the system is evil.
What did you not understand about "multiple U.S. citizens" ?!
How many? 10? 50? Out of hundreds of thousands?
A rounding error?
How many multiple? Because they all are reporting on the same one guy. One name and an assertion about 'multiple' others
Sorry but one guy on the street and a woman with family in the wrong house and a couple of other mistakes made which is natural and has always occurred but considering the 100's of thousands being dealt with that are illegal.
Let us know how you feel when you get rounded up in a mass arrest and deported mistakenly. It was just a "natural" mistake, right? You don't need no stinkin' due process!
Read my reply to your previous comment. Yes my family, wife, was directly involved in a similar mistake. It happens, no one is perfect and mistakes can be corrected.
Do you imagine that they’re just being rounded up and immediately put on a plane? I don’t think they’ve even done that with the people who have outstanding final deportation orders.
No illegals=no violent crimes committed by illegals.
No illegals=no white girls raped by illegals
It is so simple!
No pastors -- no pastors guilty of sex crimes!
It is so simple!
BTW why did you only specify white girls? Because you only care when white girls are raped?
Interesting point.
I recall this movement a few years ago that said lives of a certain specified color mattered.
Missing some context there, ME
The context of The Black Lives Matter is this.
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/how-the-gun-control-debate-ignores-black-lives/80445/
Gun control advocates and politicians frequently cite the statistic that more than 30 Americans are murdered with guns every day. What’s rarely mentioned is that roughly 15 of the 30 are black men.
Most murder victims are black.
Most rape victims are white girls.
White Girls Matter!
Sounds kind of racist to me.
I see you are familiar with the concept of tautology.
imperils!
Although I am no fan of Trump or his mass roundups, in this case it is likely that the 9th Circuit found Trump guilty of being Trump. The appearance of Court bias has been strong in California for many decades and cannot be undone by a single correct decision (finally!) - it will take many, many decisions consistently in support of the Bill of Rights before we can trust them. Until then, they never met an unconstitutional law enforcer or a law enforcement action they didn't approve of.
Anyone "who appears Hispanic, speaks Spanish or English with an accent, wears work clothes, and stands near a carwash, in front of a Home Depot, or at a bus stop," the 9th Circuit observed, was at risk of being ensnared in what Trump officials dubbed "Operation at Large."
That's a pretty reasonable basis for suspicion.
The whole point of the Fourth Amendment is to outlaw the kind of abusive government behavior at issue in a case like this one.
This kind of weaponized virtue doesn't work anymore, Damon. Not when you're invoking it to rationalize illegals against Americans.
It's abusive government behavior against Americans. We're done pretending that it's equally "abusive" against illegals - who it can and should be used against.
Yeah, you're gonna need more evidence than the courts description of the arrest. What was the person doing before he was ran down by law enforcement? Was he attacking them or obstructing? We don't know because you as the journalist refused to ask those questions and get the answers to relay to us consumers. Also, the premise that these raids are targeting people solely on the basis of skin color and accent, which would he a violation, is clearly incorrect based on the arrests. The vast, vast number of arrests performed by ICE are of illegal immigrants. If it was based skin color and accent we'd see the majority of arrests be of brown skinned citizens. Since that is not the reality, it is clear the determining factor is ones immigration status. The vast majority of citizens being arrested by ICE are due to attack and/or obstructing law enforcement.
you as "the JoUrNaLiSt"
FTFY.