What J.D. Vance Gets Wrong About Judicial Deference to Executive Power
The federal courts are supposed to be a bulwark against presidential overreach, not a rubber stamp.

Vice President J.D. Vance thinks the courts have no business questioning President Donald Trump's use of a wartime law to summarily deport alleged criminal aliens during peacetime. "I think that the courts need to be somewhat deferential," Vance told New York Times columnist Ross Douthat. "In fact, I think the design is that they should be extremely deferential to these questions of political judgment made by the people's elected president of the United States." There's just one problem with Vance's view: He's wrong about both the design of the American constitutional order and the judiciary's role in it.
Let's start with the role of the courts. The idea that the judicial branch owes special deference to the elected branches of government was thoroughly rejected by the framers and ratifiers of the Constitution. "As to the constitutionality of laws," Luther Martin told the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on July 21, 1787, "that point will come before the judges in their proper official character. In this character they will have a negative on the laws." Federal judges, Martin explained, "could declare an unconstitutional law void," thereby overruling the actions of the elected branches. None of the delegates disagreed with that.
"This Constitution defines the extent of the powers of the general government," Oliver Ellsworth told the Connecticut Ratification Convention on January 7, 1788. "If the general legislature should at any time overleap their limits, the judicial department is a constitutional check. If the United States go beyond their powers, if they make a law which the Constitution does not authorize, it is void; and the judicial power, the national judges, who, to secure their impartiality, are to be made independent, will declare it to be void."
James Madison, often called the "father of the Constitution," made the same point in his June 8, 1789, speech to Congress introducing the Bill of Rights. The proper role of the courts, Madison said, was to act as "an impenetrable bulwark against every assumption of power in the legislative or executive." Not exactly a ringing endorsement of judicial deference, is it?
Now let's examine the specific legal issue on which Vance thinks that Trump is entitled to "extremely deferential" treatment from the courts.
Vance's statement came in response to a question about Trump's invocation of the Alien Enemies Act, a 1798 law that allows the president to direct the "removal" of certain aliens "whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government."
Trump invoked this wartime law in the hopes of deporting alleged members of Tren de Aragua, a street gang that first sprang up in Venezuela. But the Alien Enemies Act does not say what Trump claims that it says. There is no "declared war" between the United States and Venezuela, and there is no "invasion or predatory incursion" of the U.S. by "any foreign nation or government." Tren de Aragua is not a foreign state, and the gang's alleged crimes do not qualify as acts of war by a foreign state. Trump's position disfigures the text of the Alien Enemies Act to the point that it is no longer recognizable.
That is the "political judgment" that Vance finds so deserving of the judicial rubber stamp. "I think you are seeing an effort by the courts to quite literally overturn the will of the American people," Vance told Douthat. "You cannot have a country where the American people keep on electing immigration enforcement and the courts tell the American people they're not allowed to have what they voted for."
But of course, the courts can and should "tell the American people they're not allowed to have what they voted for" if what they "voted for" happens to be unlawful or unconstitutional. Indeed, that is the whole point of our constitutional system. We do not live in a pure democracy in which the president gets a blank check after every election. We live in a representative republic that is chock full of meaningful checks and balances, including the very important check against presidential overreach that we call judicial review.
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Guess we were due for one of these JD Vance is wrong articles.
Despite reasons pivot to judicial supremacy, judges are not above the law. They do not modify article 2 duties. They do not insert their judgement on policy for the executives. This goes all the way back to John Marshall.
https://mustreadalaska.com/ralph-cushman-john-marshall-would-say-trump-is-right/
So how far does the deference to the executive go? For example, if the executive claims that Title IX means that trannies get to play against girls, can the court review that and say otherwise?
Courts can review for application to the words in the law. They can not insert their own policy into vague words. The proper action is to kill the law, not reinterpret.
It is the same issue with Chevron and why it was walked back.
What these judges are doing is inserting their own policy preferences.
On the discussion of tariffs, multiple courts have already ruled the delegation as valid, so precedence takes control. There is even a congressional action to undo the declarations of the president.
I even linked you to the congressional report yesterday showing the delegation to be valid and even encouraged after passage by congress.
The courts should never reinterpret a law. They should strike down if the language is vague.
That is the issue with what is going on.
These laws are pretty damn clear on the requirements of the president to act. The laws defer to article 2 judgement, not article 3.
You may not like it, but you're just substituting article 3 supremacy by defending it.
The title ix issue is an issue due to reinterpretation of clear words. Both with the article 2 and article 3 branches. Gorsuch is sadly one of the reasons Biden could act in that manner.
Again, I'm not defending anything. I'm not sure if the decision is correct or not. My questions are sincere. I'm interested in what different people think and why.
I do agree that laws should be invalidated rather than reinterpreted if they are too vague or give away too much power.
Some recent examples.
Currently due process through expedited removal is determination of lawful status. For decades this determination can be done in 24 hours. An inferior court said this was insufficient. Administration moved to 48 hours. The inferior court said not enough. They went to a week. Then the inferior court said 25 days. This number is not found in any law and against the due process requirements for removal.
I still have yet to be shown the law that allows a judge to deny asylum but then issue a withholding order to the country they denied asylum conditoks for.
Multiple inferior judges have literally put into their orders economic policy beliefs into stopping various orders such as with tariffs.
Judges ordered the executive to disperse billions of dollars while not requiring bonds to cover the costs, despite laws and procedures.
That is the issue we are seeing. Over and over.
For these latest acts the law clearly states executive determination. That is the law. Not the judges ruling of said determination. Congress can always change this requirement. They have intentionally not. They've had 3 swings at modifying the tariff delegations they've pushed. Each time congress then asks the executive to use their powers. Yet now the ITC says in their view the executive determination is invalid.
It is literally a war of judicial policy, not legal determination, at the front of all these TROs.
This fight has happened since John Marshall. I do not defer to judicial supremacy. But coequal branches.
The correct course is for congress to take back or modify the powers they have given up.
You aren't biased at ALL, are you? This is why you aren't a judge.
Despite Trumpistas' pivot to Presidential supremacy, the President is not above the law. He does not modify Article I or Article II powers. He does not insert his legal judgment for the courts. This goes all the way back to 1787.
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Came here to post this:
What J.D. Vance Gets Wrong About Judicial Deference to Executive Power
Oh, now they're just messin' wit us!
Childless cat ladies? Cat sandwiches in Ohio? I could go on but he's consistently wrong about about our feline friends.
>>The federal courts are supposed to be a bulwark against presidential overreach
holy shit! did anyone ever tell Franklin Roosevelt about this? dafuq would Woodrow Wilson think?
Even abe, Madison, Jefferson.
Isn't that one of the (many) problems with FDR, Wilson and their ilk?
The court sort of tried with FDR until "the switch in time that saved 9" (or so the story goes).
ya Wilson and FDR both knew the only true way to tyrant up America for their own benefit was through the unelected judiciary ...
The steel act under FDR was prior to the switch. But many presidents even prior to FDR ignored the article 3 branch when they overstepped. Read the John Marshall article.
Honest question. Do you think a judge can overstep their powers? Would a president have to kill someone if a judge ruled he had to? It is a slippery slope.
Yes if the judge declared the person, guilty of a capitol crime, unless the president pardons/commutes the individual. The president (DOJ) must care out the sentence otherwise.
Just like Biden did with the 8 out 10(?) federal death row inmates that a judge issued a death sentence on, that Biden commuted the sentence for.
Yes, I think a judge can overstep his powers. I'm also not a legal expert and I don't think I have all the answers. So please don't assume that if I argue or ask questions I am taking a firm position.
I'm not, why I provided the link above that goes to the founding of the question. Also federalist Paper 78.
These discussions have been happening from the outset.
The judicial oversite and correction ratchet (racket?) only appears to turn one way
The memory of Franklin Roosevelt is a good reason to keep the federal courts from kowtowing to presidential power. Remember, every 4 years 'your guy' may be removed. (Unless of course he declares martial law due to an 'emergency' and the courts kow-tow to him.)
I'm kind of the other way right now with the Roosevelt lesson ... the Roberts court wants Obama to keep his power and Schumer made sure it could happen with the last two months of the Brandon Admin.
Oh, now you're just trolling the comment section weirdos.
Oh yeah? You never complained when the courts were rubber stamps for Democrats you hypocrite. That means you can't criticize Vance, and makes whatever he says or does ok.
In a bit of irony sarc admits the activist political judges of the left rubber stamp democrat policies.
What J.D. Vance Gets Wrong About Judicial Deference to Executive Power
He must be confusing judicial deference with Number 2 deference.
‘Number 2 deference’ is called ‘the SQRLSY doctrine’.
Executive dereference? Like when the courts would defer to three letter agencies that work under the executive.
I seem to recall democrats have a big problem with ending that kind of deference.
JD VANCE IS WRONG!!!
Thanks Reason. We were due for another.
Perhaps Trump and Vance can be excused for misunderstanding and mischaracterizing the Constitutional role of the judiciary because the judiciary has been so extremely deferential to the legislative and executive branches so often over such a very long period of time. In fact, on many occasions when the Congress failed to overstep the boundaries set for them by the Constitution, the Supreme Court has legislated from the bench on their behalf! One of the previously identified flaws in the Constitution that the Framers seem to have overlooked is how to make the Supreme Court an "impenetrable bulwark" without anything in the Constitution to specify enforcement of judicial rulings. Chief Justice Roberts: "You better do what we say or I'll hold my breath until I turn purple!"
It goes back to the founding. Look at John Adams using the Sedition Acts to throw newspaper editors and publishers in jail for insulting him as a wannabe king, just 7 years after the First Amendment supposedly guaranteed freedom of the press.
Government protects itself, and the last thing any government apparatchik wants to do is limit government. The problem is the Framers simply weren't paranoid enough. Expecting the three branches to restrain each other was better than one branch, but not sufficient. Having states in the mix was better than a single national government like in Britain, but that didn't last either.
My fix would be allowing any citizen to contest every government action, from cities to national, by paying a jury of 12 random adults to review said actions; if they could not agree on what a law or regulation meant, or whether the action was constitutional, it was thrown out, and no appeals to government courts allowed. Whether that would be sufficient, I do not know, but I doubt it would be any worse than what we have now.
"When the Supreme Court violates the Constitution, then there is no Constitution ... just a struggle for survival" - Billy Jack [paraphrased]
There is no way to enforce the Constitution if the citizens are no longer willing to "mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor." Most Americans sold their birthright for a mess of pottage long ago. Unfortunately, when they traded their liberty for a little security they also gave away mine.
There's common sense too.
If the courts had no say in what the President could or could not do, then why even have them? What is the point of judicial review if it cannot review the President?
Trumpistas were mad as hell about Biden's unconstitutional student loan "forgiveness", crowing how he himself had said his act was unconstitutional but he did it anyway. Now Trump is trying the same kingly tricks, and suddenly judges don't mean spit.
Fuck Trump. He's throwing away his political capital for no practical reason. Trump's tantrums on such stupid shit are going to bite him in 2026, and by now I'm sick and tired of it. He's tarring everything good he's done with this bullshit, and far as I'm concerned, the sooner he's out of the political arena, the better.
And just to make fun of Trumpistas again, here's my repeat of how illogical, inconsistent, and incomprehensible his tariff goals are. None of the Trumpistas will even try to rebut this. They haven't yet, they never will, because their only argument is "Trump!".
Trump doesn't know what tariffs are and he doesn't know what he wants to do with them.
* He wants to protect domestic industry; onshore it. That requires raising tariffs so high that no one buys imports, and never lowering them.
* He wants to replace the income tax with tariff revenue. That's impossible if tariffs are high enough to block imports to protect domestic industry.
* He is using high tariffs as a bargaining weapon to force reciprocal tariffs. That requires the possibility of lowering tariffs, which prevents blocking imports to protect domestic industry.
* He is using high tariffs to force trade deals with zero tariffs, which prevents blocking imports to protect domestic industry.
>>What is the point of judicial review if it cannot review the President?
love the smell of Marbury in the morning.
But you are taking 'review' and adding "enforcement power" Okay we've got the Court's opinion. If Trump's understanding is not that of the Court , then his oath means he follows his understanding. He can say "thanks for your input" but that is all it is.
In the same way that the abuse/misuse/capitulatin of Mexico in regard to their gangs means that they become Mexico's government's enemies, then when they come hear they are our enemies. Same with Venezuela and Tren de Aragua
Argentina has classified Tren de Aragua as a terrorist organization
Peru , TdA released a statement : "There will be no peace for Peruvians who support xenophobia. We will begin to kill all Peruvian motortaxi drivers." Terrorism
Venezuela Nicolás Maduro, described the Tren de Aragua as a "construct" aimed at destabilizing the country and facilitating interventionist scenarios.
So that's 3 countries who know.
You are confusing criminal law with Constitutional law. The two are not the same, and those of us who understand the difference are not confused by your false assertions. The Mexican government's failure to convict and punish their criminals does not impose any duty on the United States and our government. The vast majority of Mexicans who come to the United States do so in order to earn an honest living or to escape the criminal chaos and corruption in Mexico. Some of us still insist that our own government remain within specified Constitutional limits whether we are successful at that so far or not. We deny that there is any emergency exception justified under the current fake crisis that you and yours have declared.
There is no "declared war" between the United States and Venezuela, and there is no "invasion or predatory incursion" of the U.S. by "any foreign nation or government."
The predatory incursion of the US was caused by a government. The US government under Biden and the DNC.
True dat.
And Damon wrote on Frederick Douglass , who would definitely side with Vance
Everybody has asked the question. . ."What shall we do with the Negro?" I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are wormeaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not for tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature's plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the Negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone!”
― Fredrick Douglass
Well Root has declared Trump's use of AEA as illegal and or unconstitutional. But the Supreme Court has not yet ruled on the merits. We can parse the meaning of "incursion" as understood by congress in the 18th century but at this point the president has the power to interpret it. The court could at some point strike down the law as unconstitutional or wade through the legislative intent and find that the president has exceeded the authority granted and force congress to revise the statute or attempt to force the president to adhere to their interpretation. In the meantime district court judges claiming veto power over the executive's enforcement of the law is way outside of their constitutional authority.
I'm trying to remember the last time Root had an article where his take was more logical or better supported by law than those he criticized.
Courts actually ruled AEA constitutional under Truman.
I strongly disagree with your assertion that Federal judges do not have veto power over the executive's enforcement of the law. In fact, EVERY judge at every level has veto power over law enforcement in every case. The prosecutor is unquestionably an official of the executive branch, and the Judge in a criminal case can dismiss the charges preferred by said prosecutor for any reason or no reason. That's what the appeal process is for: to prevent incorrect rulings by lower courts. At every level of the American court system, the Bailiff (or equivalent Constables, Marshals etc) has the authority to enforce court orders including the Marshal of the Supreme Court.
I saw a lot of quotes about unconstitutional laws. Maybe the courts should deal with those.
If only they would. But they won't. Writing hundred-page opinions using unbelievably tortured logic to turn the Constitution on its head is exhausting. They have no energy left for reading the Constitution and applying its plain meaning to important violations by politicians.
I have an even simpler Congressional solution: declare war on Venezuela. Problem solved!
Trump Leaves Presidency To Become Even More Powerful District Court Judge"
"WASHINGTON, D.C. — President Donald Trump announced this week that he was leaving office in order to take an even more powerful position as a U.S. District Court judge...
"After going through all that stuff with the corrupt courts in New York, I think I have a pretty good handle on how things work," Trump said. "There can't be that much to it. Just bang the wooden hammer thing and create your own rules and laws all the time. Some are saying I'm going to be the best District Court judge that ever lived. I didn't say it, but some have."
I think maybe Yale's law school needs investigating, if they graduate people who, like Vance, don't understand what a 'person' is, or think that 'the people' elect the president.
There is no amount of education possible that can correct the willingness to ignore reality and substitute a political agenda.