6 Cases That Paved the Road to Mass Incarceration
In Justice Abandoned, a law professor argues that the Court got these key decisions wrong.

Justice Abandoned: How the Supreme Court Ignored the Constitution and Enabled Mass Incarceration, by Rachel Elise Barkow, Harvard University Press, 320 pages, $35
"The United States is now a world leader when it comes to incarceration," Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and co-author Janie Nitze noted last year in their book Over Ruled. They added that "our incarceration rate is not only eight times as high as the median rate in Western European democracies" but also higher than the rates under authoritarian regimes such as those in Rwanda and Turkmenistan.
Gorsuch and Nitze attribute that dubious distinction to the proliferation of criminal laws and draconian sentencing schemes. Legislators surely bear much of the blame. But in Justice Abandoned, New York University law professor Rachel Elise Barkow indicts another culprit: the court on which Gorsuch serves.
Barkow's book highlights half a dozen Supreme Court decisions that she says "enabled mass incarceration" by compromising constitutional principles to accommodate politicians, prosecutors, and police officers bent on locking up more and more people for longer and longer stretches of time. Those decisions expanded pretrial detention, approved coercive plea bargaining, upheld disproportionate sentences, tolerated overcrowded prisons, greenlit stop-and-frisk tactics, and rejected challenges to racial disparities in the criminal justice system.
Barkow argues, for the most part persuasively, that these key cases were wrongly decided from the originalist perspective embraced by the current Court, which is dominated by Republican appointees who have shown they are willing to overturn longstanding precedents. She says it is therefore reasonable to think the justices, if presented with arguments grounded in text and history, might reconsider the rulings that paved the way to mass incarceration.
According to the Prison Policy Initiative, jails account for about 30 percent of the nearly 2 million people incarcerated in the United States, and more than three-quarters of detainees in those facilities are "legally innocent," meaning they have not been convicted. That situation, Barkow argues, would have been inconceivable to the Framers, because bail and pretrial detention historically were aimed at ensuring defendants stuck around for the resolution of their cases and did not interfere with that process by, say, destroying evidence or intimidating witnesses. But in the 1987 case United States v. Salerno, the Supreme Court approved "dangerousness" as a justification for pretrial detention, meaning defendants could be locked up based on speculation that they might otherwise pose a threat to the general public.
In practice, Barkow notes, that policy of preventive detention meant that people could be punished before they were convicted. In addition to suffering that premature loss of liberty, pretrial detainees, whether held by court order or because they cannot afford bail, are at a disadvantage in preparing their defense. Unsurprisingly, they are more likely to plead guilty than otherwise similar defendants who are free before trial. Because Salerno disregarded "the Constitution's commitment to liberty and due process," Barkow writes, it is "a constitutional abomination" that today's Court would reject if it carefully considered the original rationales for pretrial detention.
Even the term pretrial detention is misleading, since almost all criminal convictions—about 95 percent in state courts and 97 percent at the federal level—result from plea deals rather than trials. As both Gorsuch and Barkow note, prosecutors have tremendous power to coerce guilty pleas by threatening to bring additional charges that carry much more severe penalties. The Supreme Court approved that practice in the 1978 case Bordenkircher v. Hayes, which involved a prosecutor who offered a forgery defendant a five-year sentence if he pleaded guilty while threatening him with a mandatory life sentence under a "three strikes" law if he insisted on going to trial.
When the defendant was convicted and sentenced to life, he argued that he was a victim of vindictive prosecution. But as the Court saw it, his "give-and-take negotiation" with the prosecutor did not implicate due process because he was free to accept or reject the offer after weighing his options. Although prosecutors had long used this tactic sub rosa, the Court's blessing eliminated any doubts about its legitimacy. That outcome, Barkow argues, was driven by practical considerations rather than sound constitutional analysis—a recurring theme in her book. If defendants routinely invoked their Sixth Amendment right to trial by jury, judges and prosecutors worried, the system would not be able to handle the resulting flood of defendants demanding that the government prove its case.
"It is no exaggeration to say that, without plea bargaining, mass incarceration could not occur," Barkow writes. "The mass numbers of cases require mass processing, and you cannot have that without plea bargaining. It is the rotten core of mass incarceration, and it exists only because the Supreme Court has allowed the government to coerce people into giving up one of the most sacred of constitutional rights."
The pressure that prosecutors can bring to bear on defendants is a function of the severe sentences that legislators authorize, which also directly contribute to mass incarceration by keeping people in prison longer. But the Supreme Court has made it essentially impossible to challenge those penalties as violations of the Eighth Amendment's ban on "cruel and unusual punishments." Although a "grossly disproportionate" prison sentence would be unconstitutional, the Court said in the 1991 case Harmelin v. Michigan, that description applies only in "extreme cases."
How extreme? More extreme than a mandatory life sentence for possessing a pound and a half of cocaine, which the Court upheld in Harmelin. "The Eighth Amendment does not have to be a dead letter in the context of noncapital punishment," Barkow writes. "It could still fulfill its intended purpose. That will only happen, however, with a Court that enforces it."
The Supreme Court has recognized that prison conditions, such as confinement in "shockingly unsanitary cells," can violate the Eighth Amendment. But Barkow argues that the Court dropped the ball by approving "double celling" of prisoners in the 1981 case Rhodes v. Chapman, which involved two men serving long sentences who were forced to share a 63-square-foot cell at a prison that was 38 percent over its designed capacity. That decision made mass incarceration cheaper because states did not have to avoid overcrowding by building more prisons. "States have never had to pay the full constitutional price of incarceration," Barkow writes, "because the Court's decision in Rhodes gave them the biggest discount of all by letting them double bunk, effectively giving them a constitutional two-for-one sale."
Before people can be imprisoned, they have to be arrested, and the Supreme Court made that easier with its 1968 decision in Terry v. Ohio, which for the first time allowed police to stop, detain, question, and frisk people without probable cause. That constitutional compromise, Barkow argues, was not based on the Fourth Amendment's text and history. Rather, she says, it was motivated by public concerns about rising crime and the resulting political backlash against the Court's pro-defendant rulings in cases like Mapp v. Ohio, which excluded evidence obtained by illegal searches, and Miranda v. Arizona, which required police to inform arrestees of their constitutional rights.
Chief Justice Earl Warren, who wrote the majority opinion in Terry, alluded to that context, noting "the practical and constitutional arguments pressed with great vigor on both sides of the public debate over the power of the police to 'stop and frisk'—as it is sometimes euphemistically termed—suspicious persons." Stepping into that debate, the Court ruled that police may stop someone based on "specific and articulable facts" that, "taken together with rational inferences," justify a suspicion that he is engaged in criminal activity. During such an encounter, it said, police also may frisk the suspect if they have "reasonable grounds" to believe he is "armed and dangerous." That decision became a license for police in cities such as New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Los Angeles to stop and frisk pedestrians, often exceeding even the latitude granted by Terry.
Stop-and-frisk programs are notorious for targeting young black and Latino men, and that is just one example of the racial disparities apparent at every stage of the criminal justice system. By requiring evidence of discriminatory intent, Barkow argues in a chapter focusing on the 1987 death penalty case McCleskey v. Kemp, the Supreme Court has effectively blocked equal protection challenges to such disparities.
The originalist basis for that last complaint strikes me as weaker than Barkow's arguments in other chapters. Still, she makes a strong case that the Framers would have been dismayed by developments such as routine pretrial detention, search and seizure without probable cause, and a plea-bargaining system that has turned the promise of trial by jury into a fantasy. By explaining why these decisions should trouble originalists, Barkow makes it seem at least possible that the Supreme Court might correct some of its mistakes.
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J.D. Vance killed Pope Francis.
There's the conspiracy theory I expected to see all over X. Instead I got Harry Sisson denying that they met. If I was going to be a shill, I'd go for the more scandalous plausible claim than a boring provably wrong one.
Freemasonry, brought here by Jews through colonialism, is a secret satanic cult. A pyramid scheme to achieve the most power and wealth through secrecy, lying and corruption in an otherwise “civilized” society.
Fully one third of the founders belonged to that satanic cult, they had proportionate influence on the constitution and their power and reach has only grown to its peak today.
The masses are intentionally kept unaware and the members share secretive handshakes and use symbolism to get reassurance from others like them who have sold their souls and yours to Satan.
What kind of society needs to be secret and why? Liars whose plan for the future you would fight against.
A few Freemasons have left to disclose their agenda under the threat of death.
Altiyan Childs exposed the intent and spread of Freemasonry, that Jews claim ownership of. The people committing and advocating the holocaust in Gaza.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WY1mwcUR0xU
Here’s what the JEWS have to say about THEIR ownership of Freemasonry!
THE JEWISH TRIBUNE, New York, Oct. 28, 1927, Cheshvan 2, 5688, Vol. 91, No. 18: “Masonry is based on Judaism. Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the Masonic ritual and what is left?”
LA VERITE ISRAELITE, Jewish paper 1861, IV, page 74: “The spirit of Freemasonry is the spirit of Judaism in its most fundamental beliefs; it is its ideas, its language, it is mostly its organization, the hopes which enlighten and support Israel. It’s crowning will be that wonderful prayer house of which Jerusalem will be the triumphal centre and symbol.”
LE SYMBOLISM, July, 1928: “The most important duty of the Freemason must be to glorify the Jewish Race, which has preserved the unchanged divine standard of wisdom. You must rely upon the Jewish race to dissolve all frontiers.”
AN ENCYCLOPEDIA OF FREEMASONRY,Philadelphia, 1906: “Each Lodge is and must be a symbol of the Jewish temple; each Master in the Chair, a representative of the Jewish King; and every Mason a personification of the Jewish workman.”
MANUAL OF FREEMASONRY, by Richard Carlile: “The Grand Lodge Masonry of the present day is wholly Jewish.”
THE FREEMASON, April 2, 1930, quoting Br. Rev. S. McGowan: “Freemasonry is founded on the ancient law of Israel. Israel has given birth to the moral beauty which forms the basis of Freemasonry.”
Rabbi Br. Isaac Wise, in The Israelite of America, March 8, 1866: “Masonry is a Jewish institution whose history, degrees, charges, passwords and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end.”
Benjamin Disraeli, Jew, Prime Minister of England, in The Life of Lord George Bentick: “At the head of all those secret societies, which form provisional governments, men of the Jewish race are to be found.”
LATOMIA, a German Masonic journal, Vol. 12, July 1849, Page 237: “We cannot help but greet socialism (Marxism – Communism) as an excellent comrade of Freemasonry for ennobling mankind, for helping to further human welfare. Socialism and Freemasonry, together with Communism are sprung from the same source.”
BERNARD STILLMAN, Jew, in Hebraic influences on Masonic Symbolism, 1929, quoted The Masonic News, London: “I think I have proved sufficiently that Freemasonry, as what concurs symbolism, lays entirely on a formation which is essentially Jewish.”
O.B. Good, M.A. in The Hidden Hand of Judah, 1936: “The influence of the Jewish Sanhedrin is today more powerful than ever in Freemasonry.”
JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA, 1903, Vol, 5, page 503: “The technical language, symbolism and rites of Freemasonry are full of Jewish ideas and terms … In the Scottish Rite, the dates on official documents are given according to the era and months of the Jewish calendar, and use is made of the Hebraic alphabet.”
B’NAI B’RITH MAGAZINE, Vol. 13, page 8, quoting rabbi and mason Magnin: “The B’nai B’rith are but a makeshift. Everywhere that Freemasonry can admit that it is Jewish in its nature as well as in its aims, the ordinary lodges are sufficient for the task.
The ADL (Anti-Defamation League) of B’nai B’rith is a totally Jewish controlled organization with its main goal to destroy Christianity. (Also, the B’nai B’rith form a super-Masonic lodge where no “Gentiles” are admitted.)
TRANSACTIONS OF THE JEWISH HISTORICAL SOCIETY Vol. 2, p 156: “The Coat of Arms used by the Grand Lodge of England is entirely composed of Jewish symbols. FREEMASONS WORSHIP LUCIFER!
Refuted.
Normals: "Oh man, it's raining. Better grab an umbrella."
Rob: "TEH JEWS R CONTROLING THE WAETHER!!!!!!!!!! JEEEWWWSSS!!!!"
He probably thinks rain is Jews pissing on him. I wish it were, in his case.
Friend of mine is a Freemason. Worst thing I've seen him do is participate in all kinds of charity events. When I asked him if the Freemasons are going to take over the world, he said that if they wanted to they'd have done it already. Then he tried to sell me a raffle ticket for a rifle to fund some charity.
But you’re not invited to be. And to know anything about freemasonry, you have to be one.
If you knew what it was about, it wouldn’t be a secret society would it? Fuckwit.
You can’t refute anything that I’ve said or is contained in the expose video I’ve shared.
He invited me to join. He said the only requirement was a belief in a god or higher power, preferably the one Christians imaginatively call "God." But because I lost my faith long ago I had to decline.
It’s a SECRET SOCIETY fuckwit.
Secrets require lies as lies require secrets.
Why would you believe him?
If it's so secret how do you know about it fuckwit?
From people who quit the lies and secrecy and tell about it under penalty of death, like the video I presented.
Oh, and by fuckwit Jews bragging about it in newspapers before the internet, also like I posted.
And fuckwits like you who Bragg about being invited but declining.
None of which you can refute.
Jooooooooooz!
So you can communicate with the dead? Do You use a Oujia board? Or, you're just repeating bullshit.
It's not a secret society it's a society with secrets.
What would you know about it?
I personally know two. Not that secret over who’s a member. Overt political discussion seems to be pretty much off limits at their functions as well.
Every time sarc tells a story about a friend it is a lie. Every. Single. Time.
Jews working with US presidents to prepare for mass incarceration and executions.
Noahide laws wiki
“ According to the Jewish law, non-Jews (gentiles) are not obligated to convert to Judaism, but they are required to observe the Seven Laws of Noah to be assured of a place in the World to Come ”
The U.S. Congress officially recognized the Noahide Laws in legislation that was passed by both houses. Congress and the President of the U. S., George Bush, indicated in Public Law 102-14, 102nd Congress, that the United States of America was founded upon the Seven Universal Laws of Noah, and that these Laws have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization. They also acknowledged that the Seven Laws of Noah are the foundation upon which civilization stands and that recent weakening of these principles threaten the fabric of civilized society, and that justified preoccupation in educating the Citizens of the U.S. of America and future generations is needed. For this purpose, this Public Law designated March 26, 1991 as Education Day.”
Laying the groundwork for mass executions planned by the satanic free masons in the new world order.
Here is the accepted justice of the satanic noahide laws signed into law by every president since GB.
“Unlike the Torah teaching found in Deuteronomy 17:6, that requires the testimony of two or three witnesses before one can be executed, according to the Noahide Law it only takes one witness! Whoever is to be found breaking one of these laws, is subject to capital punishment by decapitation (“
These are the seven Jewish Noahide laws signed into law by every US president since George Bush.
I didn’t know the nation was founded on them, did YOU?
Do you also recognize the penalty for breaking any one of them is decapitation? The only due process being the statement of a single witness.
The seven Noahide laws as traditionally enumerated in the Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 56a-b and Tosefta Avodah Zarah
Not to worship idols.
Not to curse God.
Not to commit murder.
Not to commit adultery or sexual immorality.
Not to steal.
Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.
To establish courts of justice.
When the 7 “laws from a Jewish god” are signed into law by every US president since 1991, and those laws demand the death penalty for breaking any one of them, including opposing the laws themselves.
When due process requires only the lowest bar of the statement of a single witness.
And the Jewish religion is based on a plan to lie to people, the Kol Nidre.
Putting jews in charge is a recipe for anarchy, mass incarceration and executions.
This is the Kol Nidre text
“All vows, obligations, oaths, and anathemas [curses]which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the next we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect: they shall not bind us nor have any power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligations; nor the oaths be oaths.”
JS;dr
JS;dr
Jacob, the normal person will reject you right off the bat. You wink at the "mass' movements that preceded this. Mass immigration, mass riots unanswered by Biden, mass lockdowns, and mass discontent.
I can't believe you don't know LIncoln's classic rebuttal of your very premise:
"good men, men who love tranquility, who desire to abide by the laws, and enjoy their benefits, who would gladly spill their blood in the defense of their country; seeing their property destroyed; their families insulted, and their lives endangered; their persons injured; and seeing nothing in prospect that forebodes a change for the better; become tired of, and disgusted with, a Government that offers them no protection; and are not much averse to a change in which they imagine they have nothing to lose. Thus, then, by the operation of this mobocractic spirit, which all must admit, is now abroad in the land, the strongest bulwark of any Government, and particularly of those constituted like ours, may effectually be broken down and destroyed--I mean the attachment of the People. Whenever this effect shall be produced among us; whenever the vicious portion of population shall be permitted to gather in bands of hundreds and thousands, and burn churches, ravage and rob provision-stores, throw printing presses into rivers, shoot editors, and hang and burn obnoxious persons at pleasure, and with impunity; depend on it, this Government cannot last. By such things, the feelings of the best citizens will become more or less alienated from it; and thus it will be left without friends, or with too few, and those few too weak,"
Jacob you are pure wrong
the "mass' movements that preceded this. Mass immigration, mass riots unanswered by Biden, mass lockdowns, and mass discontent.
Preceded mass incarceration? I don't think so.
Judging whether the legal is bad based on some arbitrary idea that the incarceration rate too high is shallow equity thinking that does not consider whether the people jailed are actually guilty of th3 crimes they have been accused of.
The punishment for a crime needs to be notably unpleasant to act as a deterrent. People need to face the specified results for the crime more often rather than all the bullshit regarding plea bargains and parole. To me, the problem isn't nearly as much about incarceration as it is about bad laws and a justice system with so much variability. I'd actually advocate for harsher penalties for actual crimes with real victims. Our court system seems to operate in a way that extends the process to enrich lawyers, not serve justice.
does not consider whether the people jailed are actually guilty of th3 crimes they have been accused of.
Guilty like the J6 rioters?
Peaceful tourists! They were peaceful tourists!
Besides, you didn't condemn the Floyd rioters you hypocrite. That means you can't criticize the J6 tourists and makes whatever they did ok.
Still defending advocating for 20 years even for non violent j6ers. You're a piece of shit.
>>rioters
shame that's a tell.
Anyone who calls what happened on J6 a riot did not criticize the Floyd riots which means they're hypocritical leftists and that justifies the events of that day.
Yes we know how the mind of a Trump defender works.
you play tennis? most people's backhands need work.
Go on....
If you say J6 was a riot then you're a leftist. True patriots call it a protest. If you say the events after Floyd's death were protests, then you're a leftist. True patriots call them riots. If you condemn anyone who participated in the events of J6 then you're a leftist. If you don't condemn everyone involved in the events after Floyd's death then you're a leftist too. True patriots understand that the difference between a protester and a rioter is not what they do, it's in who's name they do it. It's always about who, not what. Principles shminciples.
It would be ridiculous for Trump supporters to expect such deference to not call J6 a riot on a libertarian site.
you want to call it a riot that's fine but call it a riot started by the feds which is what the video shows. why was KH at the DNC and who planted the pipe bomb?
When Trump supporters do it it's a protest. When "the left" does it it's a riot.
Just as enforcing the law on Trump and his supporters is lawfare, while inventing fake emergencies to invoke tariff powers and using wartime laws to disappear people in peacetime is something to be praised.
Trump defenders have no regard for the law, no regard for the Constitution, no principles, judge everything based upon who not what, and are damn proud of it.
I never thought I'd see the day when people who call themselves patriotic Americans started high-fiving and fist-bumping when the federal government hiked taxes and disappeared people before shipping them to foreign prisons, but here we are.
TDS is a real thing, and his supporters have it in spades.
I never thought I'd see the day when people who call themselves patriotic Americans started high-fiving and fist-bumping when the federal government hiked taxes and disappeared people before shipping them to foreign prisons, but here we are.
And think they're libertarians on top of that.
clearly you need backhand work as well.
I don't know what you mean. I just don't understand the perspective of most commenters here.
you want to make out with sarc all afternoon and try to backhandedly insult people about the true libertarians lol have a great time. I lose interest. you want to be serious some other time lmk.
people who still call them "J6 rioters" tell you who they are was my singular point. still stands. I'm outie.
I feel no animosity toward you, Dillinger, and it bothers me that I offended you because that wasn't my intent, but I'm an open book and that's how I feel. I enjoyed that despite our different politics we got along quite well. I think you've been one of the kindest commenters here to me and I appreciate that.
Hopefully we can return to that after a reasonable cooling period. Even if not, I wish you well.
"In Justice Abandoned, a law professor argues that the Court got these key decisions wrong."
But each and every decision against Trump is absolutely correct, right?
These decisions paved the way for Trump to disappear people off of the street and deport them without due process, which means that Trump defenders will praise the decisions and attack the author.
Thanks Maddow!
Love how you think final deportation orders is a lack of due process. Then again you're a leftist retard.
What final deportation orders are you writing about?
Garcia.
Are we still pretending these haven't been released?
In fact the majority of those deported so far already had final deportation orders. That's how they are rounding many of the non criminals up.
I urge you to not depend on corporate media.
Does anyone remember why mass incarceration became a thing in the first place?
Mass crime?
Almost as if people forgot how bad violent crime was in certain parts of the country during the 1980's and 1990's.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1994/03/31/Public-housing-residents-want-gun-sweeps/3117765090000/
Mass incarceration in the US is not really a function of high crime rates. It was a function of politicized policy choices to criminalize non-violent behavior and then to focus entirely on punishment rather than prevention or deterrence or rehabilitation.
You understand that it's a retributive justice system, right?
With no limits on what is deemed proper/just/fair retribution.
The reason we have a jury system is because a jury of peers was correctly deemed to be a check on ambitious prosecutors, corrupted cops, judges/legislators hanging people for the votes, etc. That is the reason that right was put in the Constitution. It has now been eliminated for 98% or so of prisoners - as Sullum indicates for convenience reasons to undermine actual checks and balances.
Just because you don't exercise a right doesn't mean it has been eliminated.
If 98% of those facing the situation of needing that right are intimidated and bullied and threatened into giving up the right, then the right has been eliminated.
There is no arms length transaction with a plea bargain
With no limits on what is deemed proper/just/fair retribution.
Um, pretty sure there are entire books on sentencing guidelines, factors that warrant discretion, jury rules... not to mention a Constitutional Amendment or two.
It has now been eliminated for 98% or so of prisoners
Nonsense. There is not one single criminal accused in America that does not have an absolute unfettered right to a trial by jury. Not one.
Also, you're confusing your terms. We're still talking about the accused here. Try to keep up.
If 98% of those facing the situation of needing that right are intimidated and bullied and threatened into giving up the right, then the right has been eliminated.
But they're not intimidated, bullied, or threatened into giving up ANYTHING. They don't HAVE to.
The reason why so many of them do isn't because they're Richard Kimball - it's because they're guilty af and they know it.
That's WHY the plea is so lucrative for them.
And the UPI story from then is a perfect example of how narratives were politicized to create incarceration and a police state as the only option.
The public housing towers in that area of the South Side are all part of the eminent domain demolition of 81,000 housing units for the Dan Ryan Expressway. Those people were not going to be allowed to move to suburbs and the land was now cut off from all access to the rest of the city. So they built extremely dense housing on land with no access to jobs.
Fast forward a few years and dealing drugs is the only job opportunity. With armed gangs controlling distribution to white Chicago suburbs (via the DRE exit ramps). Those gangs turn on the residents - and the powers that be stick everyone in prison for as long as possible for any reason that can get votes.
Those two "neighborhoods" remain the highest crime rates on the South Side. And will remain so for as long as the DRE remains a scar on a grid city like Chicago.
You know those towers don't exist anymore. Obama moved the residents to various parts of the state.
Except that the crime rate was already going down by the time the laws and decisions leading to those mass incarcerations took effect. Yes, it was a "do something" reaction. No, that is not a good basis for legal/judicial/criminal policy.
They added that "our incarceration rate is not only eight times as high as the median rate in Western European democracies"
That is changing rapidly.
Especially with Colorado passing gun control laws.
https://www.newsweek.com/you-can-have-gun-control-you-can-defang-police-you-cant-do-both-opinion-1794484
By Rafael A. Mangual
Don't know who this fellow is, but I assume that HE assumes that this whole progressive project was actually about 'defanging' the police. Cute... when you think about it.
Cute in a beltway-libertarian-pining-for-the-left-libertarian-alliance kind of way.
That outcome, Barkow argues, was driven by practical considerations rather than sound constitutional analysis
And? I mean, what's the problem with that? How/Why is that coercive?
"It is no exaggeration to say that, without plea bargaining, mass incarceration could not occur," Barkow writes.
No, what you'd have is a whole bunch of pre-trial detention where accused criminals are locked up for large stretches of time while they await their day in a very very backlogged court.
I mean, which is the greater affront to the Constitution here? The two-block rock dealer who sits in lockup for months - years even - to wait for his case to be heard; or the one who cops a plea to possession and gets turned out with a fine and a "don't let it happen again."
Oh, but let me guess - Reason (lol) is going to show its true name, Absurd, and suggest that we don't lock up the rock dealer at all. Just let him keep slingin' until one day in the far future his court appearance is called. Because that's what the Founders intended. Uh huh.
the Supreme Court has allowed the government to coerce people into giving up one of the most sacred of constitutional rights."
There's that word again. It's no coercion.
A child wants a piece of candy. A parent wants him to clean his room. The parent offers a choice: take a piece of candy, or clean your room and get TWO pieces of candy. Maybe one might argue that the smarter child would take the first option - something for nothing. That's fair, but the latter is a 100% willful trade - two something's for something in return.
How is this any different? Is mom being "coercive" in order to get her kid's room cleaned? No. She might not get what she wants AT ALL.
And to say it with regard to an accused criminal - that's even more absurd. If you DIDN'T DO IT, then don't cop to it. I mean, why would you? Criminal Law is not a perpetual re-run of Richard Kimball where literally every shred of evidence outside of his "it wasn't me, it was the one-armed man!" claim pointed to him. Especially in 2025. If you didn't actually commit the crime, it's actually a lot harder than you think to prove you guilty of it.
So, what are we talking about here? More likely than not, people who DID commit a crime. In which case, plea bargaining is literally cutting them a pretty great break.
More extreme than a mandatory life sentence for possessing a pound and a half of cocaine
That's entirely reasonable.
The Supreme Court has recognized that prison conditions, such as confinement in "shockingly unsanitary cells," can violate the Eighth Amendment.
Now, this I agree with 100% - and anyone who's read me on the subject knows that I'm a massive proponent of systemic prison reform. We gotta get out of the dungeon mindset, and embrace what tech has to offer.
Stepping into that debate, the Court ruled that police may stop someone based on "specific and articulable facts" that, "taken together with rational inferences," justify a suspicion that he is engaged in criminal activity.
Good Lord, you're complaining about Terry stops too?
Yes, Jacob - there is no reason in the world why a cop should ignore a potential crime unless he's 100% sure there is one. If you smell a car that's been hotboxing, you don't have to physically see the drugs or have them admit to them to discern A) they're using illegal drugs; and B) they're operating a motor vehicle under the influence of them.
Stop-and-frisk programs are notorious for targeting young black and Latino men
*drink*
Because young black and Latino men have a well-documented statistical likelihood of both committing crime and attempting to evade arrest for it.
It has nothing to do with race whatsoever. When you're sniffing out a gas leak, you don't ignore the smell.
The originalist basis for that last complaint strikes me as weaker
What should really strike you instead, Jacob, is WHY America has such high crime rates compared with other nations per capita. Why is it American criminals are so much more brazen and act with such greater impunity than in other places where they're more apt to obey the law (or at least not get caught breaking it).
The reason we have mass incarceration, Jacob, is because we have a massive criminal element in this society. Now, I know your magical solution for that "ignore crime" - but it's never ever going to happen, so you'd better stop whining about how they're being mass incarcerated, and start thinking real hard on how to better minimize/eliminate the criminal elements of American society.
We don't have high crime rates compared to many other countries.
Our property crime rates are actually lower than normal. Our violent crime rates are in line with the worst of the rich countries - except for kidnapping and homicide where we are on our own planet.
Homicide is mostly a function of violence gone far more lethal but that is only a small subset of violent crimes. Kidnapping is mostly a function of a dysfunctional divorce/custody and/or family support system
We don't have high crime rates compared to many other countries.
I notice you failed to preface "countries" with the word "developed."
I always assume 'developed'.
Everything I posted stands - for developed countries.
Just to give one example - the violent crime rate in UK is 898/100k peeps. In the US, the rate is 387/100k peeps.
A big difference is in whether/how weapons are used in those crimes. In the UK - 80% of violent crimes have no known weapon involved. For the remainder - the weapons used, in order of frequency, are:
knife, blunt instrument, bottle, stones, firearms, other.
The US doesn't even track simple non-felony assaults/fights/etc. Nor is any one in prison for misdemeanor assault.
Dude, don't rely on ChatGPT for this stuff (and yes, I know you did that). Which I'm going to especially assume you're doing when you don't cite to your information.
Utilize your own brain. If it's not fit for the task, then don't even try.
For pete's sake, if you're going to outsource to AI, then at least follow its links to make sure it's talking about what you think it's talking about. Jeez.
Link to the US UK data
Oh - and if you really want to be pedantic, the violent crime rate in the worst neighborhoods of Chicago is quite a bit worse than the UK. Two to four times higher. But those neighborhoods are not really a developed country. Median household income in those neighborhoods is well under 30k. Comparable to China or Trinidad not the UK or the US - but with much much higher cost of living and fewer job opportunities.
We're just very ok with pretending the US is a developed country with opportunity for all. Rather than a country with infrastructure/opportunity that ranges from a Third World Shithole to best in human history. With crime as one way we can blame the losers for their own misery.
We're just very ok with pretending the US is a developed country with opportunity for all.
There it is.
Now, tell me more about social justice, equity, and anti-racism lol.
Stop making everything a crime and mass incarceration wouldn't be a problem. Legalize drugs, gambling and prostitution and there's 95% of crime eliminated immediately.
You're right, and I should have jumped on that. This rag lost its libertarian mojo long ago.
Fire KMW.
Get out of DC.
Start publishing some libertarian content.
Why stop at 95%? Legalize murder, rape, kidnapping, slavery, and liking soccer. Get all the way to 100%.
Not surprising that you cannot see the difference. Your reputation proceeds you.
Please, explain the difference. By all means.
Yes, because all prostitutes voluntarily went into the trade. Fentanyl is not really a societal problem. But you're in luck, gambling is legal and it basically makes up economy now, not that icky manufacturing. Place your bets on the stock market!
What mass incarceration would that be? You mean, like criminals? Oh noes, what could they possibly have done to deserve jail time, the little cuddly cuties? I'm writing a marriage proposal to one of them right this moment.
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Citing the case of three strikes as an example of prosecutorial abuse in support of the premise here is misleading. Prosecutorial abuse would be when the prosecutor threatens to charge the suspect with crimes that the suspect did NOT commit in order to extort a plea deal. Another example would be threatening to charge another family member with a crime they did not commit. Or dropping charges in exchange for testimony against another person who is the real target of the investigation. All of these are examples from real cases that support the premise hinted at in the article, but not the Supreme Court case itself. When lawyers twist the narrative to achieve an (admittedly worthwhile) goal, it confuses The People.
(1) I share libertarian opposition to Wars on Drugs (and on other victimless crimes). That accounts for over half of Federal prisoners, but only 20% of the much larger number of State prisoners. Most of them are locked up for real crimes.
(2) The "mass incarceration" argument is oversimplified. Of course peaceable societies like Iceland and Japan have lower incarceration rates, but so do fellow crime-infested societies in Latin America. How do they manage it? The rich live in gated communities or exclusive neighborhoods with vigorous and competent policing, while the poor and middle class are left largely undefended. I prefer the US approach, where middle-class and poorer neighborhoods are also entitled to public safety.
OR maybe it's just 'the people' following their 'politicians' example.
Pretty hard to tell STEALING is a crime when the #1 proposal from politicians is to STEAL more.