How the FCC's 'Warrior for Free Speech' Became Our Censor in Chief
Brendan Carr has a clear record of threatening to suppress constitutionally protected speech.

When Donald Trump announced the appointment of Brendan Carr to the top spot at the Federal Communications Commission, he called Carr "a warrior for Free Speech." Carr, in turn, pledged to "dismantle the censorship cartel and restore free speech rights for everyday Americans." But Carr's statements and actions both before and since taking on his new role indicate someone all too comfortable wielding government power against media companies for politically disfavored speech.
"I think he's the most anti–free speech FCC chair that we've had, as long as I can remember," says Techdirt founder Mike Masnick. "And I think that's a little terrifying, especially as he is presented by himself, Donald Trump, and the media as being a free speech warrior….Yet, over and over again, we see that he's constantly trying to attack and suppress and punish speech."
Big Tech Crackdown
Consider Carr's November 2024 letter to the CEOs of Alphabet (which owns Google and YouTube), Apple, Meta (which owns Facebook), and Microsoft. "Americans have lived through an unprecedented surge in censorship," Carr wrote. He deemed these companies part of a "censorship cartel" that had "silenced Americans for doing nothing more than exercising their First Amendment rights."
Some social media companies did indeed work with the Biden administration to suppress online speech. But Carr did not ask about their acquiescence to government censorship requests: "I am writing to obtain information about your work with one specific organization—the Orwellian named NewsGuard." He wanted this information "to help inform FCC action."
NewsGuard is a private company that employs journalists to rate the accuracy and reliability of news outlets on a scale of 0–100. (It gave Reason a perfect score "for the highest adherence to journalistic practice.") It markets the service to advertisers, but users can also download software that displays the ratings in their web browser. In his letter, Carr added that NewsGuard "has partnered with social media companies."
NewsGuard is "part of the broader censorship cartel," Carr wrote, "leveraging its partnerships with advertising agencies to effectively censors [sic] targeted outlets." On X, Carr later wrote that NewsGuard "operates for the purpose of censoring viewpoints that fall outside an approved narrative. Its conduct has also led to collusive ad boycotts, which may violate antitrust and competition laws."
Carr's argument was premised on a mistaken understanding of both the target company's practices and the First Amendment. "Neither of the social media companies (Alphabet and Meta) to which you wrote work with us at all," NewsGuard cofounders and co-CEOs Steven Brill and Gordon Crovitz wrote in reply. Further, they added, "Our work does not involve any censorship or blocking of speech."
More to the point, NewsGuard's rating of news outlets, and a tech company's decision to allow their software into its app store, are completely within the bounds of protected speech. Even openly calling for advertiser boycotts would be well within a speaker's rights. Unless government coercion is involved either explicitly or implicitly, it's not an act of censorship that violates the First Amendment.
Carr's letter also targeted tech companies by threatening to revoke legal liability protections enshrined in federal law. Section 230 of the Communications Act establishes that websites cannot be held civilly liable for content posted by others, nor for actions "voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access" to content they find "objectionable."
But in his letter, Carr cited the law to threaten the tech CEOs. "As you know, Big Tech's prized liability shield, Section 230, is codified in the Communications Act, which the FCC administers," he wrote. "As relevant here, Section 230 only confers benefits on Big Tech companies when they operate, in the words of the statute, 'in good faith'….But NewsGuard's own track record raises questions about whether relying on the organization's products would constitute 'good faith' actions within the meaning of Section 230." He later added: "Any tech company that continues to rely on NewsGuard is putting its Section 230 protections in serious jeopardy."
Carr gets it backward: Section 230 does not require "good faith" as a prerequisite for liability protection. Rather, it states that websites bear no civil liability for things that others post, nor for moderation decisions made "in good faith." They don't forfeit these protections simply by doing one of these the wrong way.
Carr also penned a chapter about the FCC for the Heritage Foundation's Mandate for Leadership, popularly known as Project 2025. Under the section "Reining In Big Tech," Carr wrote, "The FCC should issue an order that interprets Section 230 in a way that eliminates the expansive, non-textual immunities that courts have read into the statute" and "remind courts how the various portions of Section 230 operate." Specifically, Carr said the FCC should "clarify" the interpretation of the statute to "appropriately limit the number of cases in which a platform can censor with the benefit of Section 230's protections."
Carr's interpretation doesn't hold up. "Section 230 itself contains no mention of FCC rulemaking authority to define the bounds of the immunity it provides," Lawrence J. Spiwak wrote in November for the Federalist Society. "Section 230, on its face, simply appears to provide digital platforms with an affirmative defense in the case of civil litigation."
Carr cited an October 2020 memo by FCC then-General Counsel Thomas Johnson Jr. to say the FCC does have the authority to interpret Section 230. That authority, Johnson argued, "derived from the Supreme Court's landmark decision in Chevron U.S.A., Inc. v. Natural Resources Defense Council, Inc., that 'Congress is well aware that the ambiguities it chooses to produce in a statute will be resolved by the implementing agency.'"
But Johnson's memo was released just two weeks before the 2020 election, and his theory was never put into practice. Besides, the Supreme Court notably overturned Chevron last year in Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo, foreclosing the ability of the FCC or any other agency to "clarify" or "interpret" a statute on its own. "The message of Loper Bright to the FCC is clear," Spiwak wrote, "regardless of your political desires, interpreting Section 230 is not your job."
Broadcast Badgering
Carr has also followed Trump's lead in threatening broadcast television networks for protected speech.
In September, Trump participated in a televised presidential debate against his Democratic rival, then–Vice President Kamala Harris, on ABC. Network moderators fact-checked some of his statements. In response, Trump grumbled: "They're a news organization. They have to be licensed to do it. [The FCC] ought to take away their license for the way they did that."
Similarly, when 60 Minutes interviewed Harris in October, CBS aired two different versions of one of her answers: a clipped version in the primetime broadcast and a longer version on the Sunday morning show Face the Nation.
Trump then complained that CBS had "sliced and diced" her answer for the primetime broadcast "to make her look 'more Presidential.'" He said the edit "must be investigated, starting today" and added that the FCC should "TAKE AWAY THE CBS LICENSE."
Then, days before the election, Harris briefly appeared on NBC's Saturday Night Live, triggering an FCC rule that if a candidate for public office appears on broadcast TV, the network must offer equal time under similar terms to any opposing candidate who requests it.
One problem with Trump's demand? The major networks do not have FCC licenses of their own. Rather, their many local affiliates do.
Nevertheless, the Center for American Rights, a conservative nonprofit, filed FCC complaints against ABC and CBS affiliates for "news distortion," and against an NBC affiliate for violating the equal time rule, asking the agency to investigate and intervene.
In January 2025, outgoing FCC Chairwoman Jessica Rosenworcel dismissed all three complaints. "The incoming President has called on the Federal Communications Commission to revoke licenses for broadcast television stations because he disagrees with their content and coverage," she wrote. "The action we take makes clear two things. First, the FCC should not be the President's speech police. Second, the FCC should not be journalism's censor-in-chief."
But days after Carr took charge, the FCC reinstated the complaints against ABC, NBC, and CBS, noting that each dismissal was "issued prematurely based on an insufficient investigatory record for the station-specific conduct at issue."
Notably, Rosenworcel had also dismissed a complaint from the left-leaning Media and Democracy Project asking the FCC to punish Fox News Channel for airing "knowingly false narratives about the 2020 election" by potentially revoking a Philadelphia FOX affiliate's broadcast license. Rosenworcel wrote that the complaint "seeks to have the FCC remove the license of a television station for the character shortcomings of its corporate ownership" and dismissed it at the same time as the other three.
Under Carr, the agency revived the complaints against ABC, NBC, and CBS but left the FOX complaint dismissed. In a statement, the Media and Democracy Project called the act "a form of intimidation and corruption."
Reinstating the complaints only against networks Trump finds disfavorable "seems like another example of [Carr] making decisions and doling out potential punishment based on ideological views and speech," Masnick, the Techdirt founder, says. "And that seems very anti–First Amendment and anti–free speech…but certainly part of the pattern of what we've seen from Carr."
Even before assuming his new position, Carr was critical of the three major broadcast networks. In July 2024, entertainment conglomerate Paramount Global agreed to an $8 billion merger with production company Skydance Media. Since Paramount owns CBS, plus 14 of its affiliate stations, any sale or merger would involve the transfer of broadcast licenses, giving the FCC authority over whether the deal can move forward—specifically, if the deal would benefit "the public interest, convenience, and necessity."
Carr has signaled that he won't make it easy on them. "There's…a news distortion complaint at the FCC still, having to do with CBS, and CBS has a transaction before the FCC," Carr told Fox News' Dana Perino in November. "I'm pretty confident that that news distortion complaint over the CBS 60 Minutes transcript is something that's likely to arise in the context of the FCC's review of that transaction."
Carr deemed Harris' Saturday Night Live cameo "a clear and blatant effort to evade the FCC's Equal Time rule" and "us[e] the public airwaves to exert its influence for one candidate on the eve of an election…unless the broadcaster offered Equal Time to other qualifying campaigns." NBC filed a notice with the FCC the following day, saying Harris "appeared without charge…for a total period of 1 minute and 30 seconds," and to compensate, it aired a Trump ad twice for free.
But Carr went even further, telling Fox News' Maria Bartiromo, "We need to keep every single remedy on the table. One of the remedies the FCC has, ultimately, would be license revocation if we find that it's egregious," because a punishment "needs to deter this kind of conduct."
And in December, Carr sent a letter to the CEO of Disney, which owns ABC. While nominally addressing Disney's ongoing contract negotiations with some ABC affiliates, the letter's tone was decidedly threatening.
"Americans no longer trust the national news media to report fully, accurately, and fairly," Carr began. "ABC's own conduct has certainly contributed to this erosion in public trust." To illustrate the point, he cited the network's recent decision to settle a defamation lawsuit brought by Trump. "Americans largely hold positive views of their local media outlets," he added, whereas "so many Americans no longer trust…the national news media and programmers" like ABC.
"The approach that ABC is apparently taking in [affiliate] negotiations concerns me," Carr warned. "I will be monitoring the outcome of your ongoing discussions," and "the FCC will be compelled to act" if he finds the outcome unsatisfactory. (At the end of December, Gray Television announced it had renewed all its affiliate agreements with ABC across 25 markets.)
"To whatever extent the FCC has legitimate interests in those negotiations—and if it does, it's a small one—that really wasn't the point of the letter," says Ari Cohn, lead counsel for tech policy at the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE). "The threat is, if you say things that I don't like or that I think will anger the president of the United States who appointed me, then I'm going to exercise whatever rights that I have as FCC chair and wield the power of this agency to hassle you in other ways."
Indeed, Carr's conduct indicates someone willing to use his power in government to benefit his political allies—chief among them, the president who appointed him.
Days before the 2024 election, Trump personally sued CBS over the 60 Minutes interview. He claimed the edit of Harris' answer constituted consumer fraud and requested $10 billion in damages.
Given that he won the election, it's hard to imagine Trump suffered much actual damage. And the Supreme Court ruled in 1973 that editorial decisions are covered by the First Amendment: "For better or worse, editing is what editors are for; and editing is selection and choice of material," the Court wrote in Columbia Broadcasting System, Inc. v. Democratic National Committee. "That editors—newspaper or broadcast—can and do abuse this power is beyond doubt, but that is no reason to deny the discretion Congress provided."
Yet just days into Trump's second term, The New York Times reported that CBS would likely settle, as executives "believe that settling the lawsuit would increase the odds that the Trump administration does not block or delay their planned multibillion-dollar merger." The Wall Street Journal had previously reported, "It's become clear to executives" that "they'll likely need to offer concessions to win [Trump's] approval," and that Carr "gave Paramount executives a warning to that effect at a reception late last year."
In January, as part of its review of the Paramount/Skydance merger, the FCC also demanded "[a] full, unedited transcript and camera feeds" of the October interview, which CBS agreed to provide.
"CBS News executives were already discussing releasing a full transcript of the interview with Kamala Harris before the FCC inquiry," the Los Angeles Times reported. "But they saw that as a dangerous precedent because raw transcripts of edited interviews are typically only released to address issues related to possible defamation."
Carr says a transcript is necessary because of the reinstated complaint. "I don't see how the FCC can reasonably adjudicate this claim of news distortion without seeing what was actually said," he told CNN.
Carr's defenders argue this is a legitimate inquiry. "I think it's fair to ask questions about things like that, especially when a company like CBS is in the process of being acquired," says Nathan Leamer, CEO of Fixed Gear Strategies, who previously worked with Carr at the FCC and still considers him a friend. "They have to get authorization from the FCC, and a lot of times the chairman and the commissioners use the opportunity to ask probing questions about the public interest."
As to the edit, Leamer says it's worth asking, "Are these decisions journalistic editorial decisions, or are they decisions being sent down from the corporate leadership structure?"
Yet Carr himself has also demonstrated that he understands all too well the power governments can wield against broadcasters, and how dangerous federal inquiries can be.
When conservative cable channels aired Trump's erroneous claims about fraud in the 2020 election, then-Reps. Anna Eshoo and Jerry McNerney (D–Calif.) demanded to know why cable and satellite companies had "done nothing in response to the misinformation aired by these outlets."
Carr's response was unsparing. "This is a chilling transgression of the free speech rights that every media outlet in this country enjoys," he wrote in response. "A newsroom's decision about what stories to cover and how to frame them should be beyond the reach of any government official, not targeted by them. To the House Democrats that used their official letterhead to launch this inquiry, I would say this: Your demand to know the 'moral principles' that guide a private entity's decision about what news to carry cannot be reconciled with bedrock principles of free speech and journalistic freedom."
Yet Carr has been no stranger to issuing threats, on his official letterhead, against newsrooms or companies engaged in protected speech of their own. The only difference is that in this case, it's speech he doesn't like.
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Censoring America to 'pwn the libs'.
They did it first.
Sarcjeff is big mad that the Leftist censorship they love is dying.
The one true libertarians!
Shit-eating Leftist morons. How's your daughter sarc? Still have CPS on speed dial?
Sarc is always there to defend big tech censorship.
Vulgarly Mad SheMale is always here to defend Marxist Government Almighty ownerShit of twat USED to be privately owned web sites!
Interesting job the brainwashing machine did on this below-80 IQ specimen--assuming the sock isn't a 4F impersonator. Irony of it is that without the conscription the LP ended, only Nixon-GOP invasion hysteria serves as pretext to give loaded guns to idiots so they can cause waves of terrified refugees to flee the necessarily-ensuing economic collapse in South America.
Care to translate that from Retard into English, Hank?
For YOU? Goo-gooo-gah-gah!!! That's about the best that ANYONE can do for YOU!!!
Retard is as retatard does
Hank's medicine ran out again. Poor bastard.
The New York Society for the Suppression of Vice, whose logo shows a cop shoving a hndcuffed man into jail as his budsy tosses books on a fire. This coincided with the Anthony Comstock law making a religious fanatic postal censor meting out 5-year prison and chain-gang terms and a fine of 10,000 gold dollars. This in the Year of Our Lord 1873. Damned if here wasn't a market Crash and Recession soon after that! https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2018/05/16/republicans-banned-all-birth-control/
It’s not the 1880s anymore, Hank.
Just give Trump a few more years...
CBS, you mean = censoring (Kamala's word salads)
Hitler also hated selfish, individualistic liberals, but he sure loved Jesus! https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2022/12/03/hitlers-christianity-from-nobeliefs-com/
Actually, Hank, Hitler didn’t love Jesus.
Just let him make shit up.
What if the Second Coming has already happened, but this time Baby Jesus died in the Holocaust?
Jesus doesn’t need to be a baby again. He just regenerates into a new body as necessary. Just like he did the first time al. Which we now celebrate as Easter.
Article is way too long. How long has been in position? Why not wait and see, huh? You are fear mongering and I don't understand the danger.
I couldn't get past the irrational comments like this one:
Rather, it states that websites bear no civil liability for things that others post, nor for moderation decisions made "in good faith." They don't forfeit these protections simply by doing one of these the wrong way.
Bearing no civil liability for decisions made in good faith implies that they very much DO bear responsibility for decisions NOT made in good faith. So they DO forfeit these protections for acts
(decisions) made in bad faith.
In essence Section 230 divides internet content into 2 classes: 1) content others produced, for which the site has no responsibility, and 2) content the site produces (including edited content and decisions) for which the site bears civil responsibility. All of the judgments and scores on the NewsGuard site are produced by them, so they certainly do have civil exposure.
One improvement to Section 230 that I would like to see is a requirement by the site owners to indicate clearly on the site what content is in class 1) i.e. produced by others, and what content is in class 2) i.e. produced by the site. That would make responsibility very clear to everyone.
When a government official threatens "consequences" against a media company for failing to obey the government narrative, this action is
1. chilling free speech and a clear example of "jawboning"
2. a search for justice against media companies spreading lies
The correct answer is: both!
Wasn’t a problem for you a couple years ago.
It's revealing he recognizes this now but defended it when Dems did it.
Then he thinks claiming others have double standards is damning but never mentions he has obviously used the same double standards. Somehow using double standards shows right wingers are unworthy but suggests nothing abut jeffsarc or the rest of Team Blue.
This is more left wing privilege. To leftists every failure on the right impugns their character while no failures on their left do so.
It's ok to be an unprincipled hypocrite with double-standards because Democrats did it first.
“It’s ok to be an unprincipled hypocrite.”
There’s your motto sarky!
It's interesting you believe it's ok for you to use partisan driven double standards, yet you seem to think you can accuse everyone else of the same and even without evidence it's supposed to be some kind of damning insight.
It's a very strange world you live in, which is probably the vodka.
Marshal is nothing but a liar and a provocateur. His entire schtick is to impose a caricature onto people and then burn that strawman.
If this were true you'd be able to show it using my comments like I've proven numerous times you are a propagandist and liar. You can't though, which is why you post only the characterizations without evidence. If this were a more controlled environment like leftists want to enforce everywhere (as they already do in academia and other institutions they control) repeating the characterization without evidence and threatening consequences for heresy would be enough. But in a free exchange these tactics generally don't work which is why leftists have retreated to BlueSky where they can ban dissenters.
Noting the characterizations lack evidence is one of the key steps to identifying propaganda,
He has nothing to back him up, but much to hide.
Oh fuck you. You know as well as I do that we had an entire discussion on the matter where I outright asked you if there was anything that I could do that would change your mind, and you flatly said no. There is nothing that I could possibly do. And that is because you do not recognize me as me. You only see me as a caricature in your head. Since the caricature in your head never changes, then nothing that I can do will ever satisfy you.
You project caricatures onto everyone and then criticize them for not obeying the caricatures that you project. Well fuck you. Until you recognize me as an individual person and not as some left-wing caricature, there is nothing more to say.
I outright asked you if there was anything that I could do that would change your mind, and you flatly said no.
Untrue. I said you could stop being a propagandist, it's interesting your brain converted that into a "no". This is consistent with my comment that people cannot be negotiated away from their top priorities.
Then as usual you try to brush reality off as a "caricature", another word we need to add to the list of those you don't understand.
I said you could stop being a propagandist
That is begging the question. "Sure you can be a good person, if you stop beating your wife!"
Then as usual you try to brush reality off as a "caricature"
You continually call me a "leftist" when that is not true. That is not reality. That is you imposing your caricature of me onto me.
I do not live to serve your goals. I live to serve mine. You had better get used to it.
I do not live to serve your goals. I live to serve mine. You had better get used to it.
More Left Wing Privilege. Pointing out you use double standards to justify your attacks on the right is converted into some sort of demand on how you live.
What absurd fantasies left wingers develop so they can pose as heroes, like the fools pretending they're the anti-Nazi resistance. They missed the real civil rights movement so they've been trying to re-create it ever since. And if they have to believe nothing has changed since the Scottsboro Boys to be the heroes of their story then that's what they will believe. For most of the last 30 years we've been governed by people who never matured past 8th grade student government.
I said nothing about the civil rights movement. What kind of drivel is this? Again this is you projecting a caricature onto me. You literally claim that I am some wanna-be civil rights warrior searching for the next Scottsboro Boys when I have said absolutely nothing of the sort. There could not be any clearer indication of your projection tendencies than what you just wrote above.
You literally claim that I am some wanna-be civil rights warrior searching for the next Scottsboro Boys when I have said absolutely nothing of the sort.
You're not very bright are you? I'm giving another example of how the left's desire to be the heroes of their story drives them to misunderstand reality. So no, I don't claim this is "literally" you. I said the same psychological factor that drives this is also impacting you. What I "literally" said you did was convert a criticism into a demand for you to live your life according to my desires framing yourself as a hero for resisting.
That is some superlative psychoanalysis you've done there, Dr. Sigmund Marshal. I objected to what you said, and based on your thorough psychological study, you've determined that I'm a leftist misunderstanding reality based on wanting to be a hero. LOL. I've never had so much nonsense read into such a tiny statement before.
people cannot be negotiated away from their top priorities.
That is certainly true in your case. Your top priority seems to be 'provoking the libs', and if you can't find any libs, you generate them by projecting it onto them.
That is begging the question. "Sure you can be a good person, if you stop beating your wife!"
That's nonsense. I've shown dozens of times how you treated circumstances differently based on whether they were Team Blue or Red, including your current whining about disinformation. This is equivalent to watching you on video beating your wife and you whining it's "begging the question" to be asked about it.
I've shown dozens of times how you treated circumstances differently based on whether they were Team Blue or Red
No you haven't. You've simply declared it to be so absent any evidence. For instance you say that I supported the "Russian Collusion Hoax". That is not true. I never claimed to believe in the strongest form of the claim which asserted that Trump was a Russian asset. On the other hand, I also did not believe the strongest Team Red criticism of the affair, which claimed that the entire thing was totally made up just to go after Trump. Because there is ACTUAL EVIDENCE that Trump's people met with Russian agents during the 2016 campaign. But because I don't buy into the Team Red narrative, you assert that it must mean that I totally support the Team Blue narrative. That is a lie.
You are incapable of making this distinction. When I correctly point out that I do not agree with Team Red you then immediately conclude that it must mean I support Team Blue. In reality I don't support either team. Yet your small little brain cannot accept this.
This is equivalent to watching you on video beating your wife
There is no video. There is only you claiming to have seen the video. That's the difference here.
Oh fuck off you morbidly obese red diaper traitor. You're just mad when anyone here calls you in your treasonous comments.
Maybe you should just go away forever.
Hey, Jeffy, what NGO is paying you right now? You better get that resume ready so you can get your fat ass a new job.
You spent years denying #1 on your list Lying Jeffy. You have no credibility on the topic.
And here you are, defending Brendan Carr doing the same thing.
I did? Oh wait, that was a lie by Lying Jeffy. Surprise!
Oh, I am wrong? Great, I am happy to be wrong in this case! Then you agree with me that Brendan Carr shouldn't be threatening CBS, right?
No.
So, I didn't lie, you were wrong to accuse me of being a liar, and you are defending Brendan Carr going after CBS.
So which is it?
I haven't made a single comment about Carr and CBS. When you said I did you were lying. So I called you a liar. Then you said I agreed with you about it. Which I do not.
I haven't made a single comment about Carr and CBS.
Oh, huh. Well, this article is about Carr and CBS. Do you mean to tell me that your entire purpose in this conversation is to attack the people you don't like regardless of whatever the topic of the article is?
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So now reason is defending NGO and government funded censorship outlets like Newsguard?
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It was nice of Joe to start with that so I could stop reading
My primary purpose was to show that Lancaster's defense of Newsguard was bullshit. I've made several comments, with links, throughout the comments to support that. You conveniently ignored all of them.
I have no opinion on what Carr did to CBS, because I don't know anything about it, and I'm not going to form any opinion on the topic based off the reaction of liars.
I attacked you because you brought up the chilling effect, which you have no credibility discussing because you're a fucking hypocrite about it.
I see. You don't have to get your news about Carr and CBS from me, there is an entire article above that discusses the matter. Which you chose not to read. And then you said you don't agree with me that Brendan Carr shouldn't be going after CBS, even though now you admit that you are completely uninformed on the matter.
So you disagreed with me without even determining if my position was one that you could form an educated opinion on. That sounds like trolling to me, troll.
"I see. You don't have to get your news about Carr and CBS from me, there is an entire article above that discusses the matter. Which you chose not to read."
I specifically said I stopped reading the article after the lie about Newsguard. Not surprising you ignored this. I'm suspecting now you've been paid to deflect from this very subject.
"So you disagreed with me without even determining if my position was one that you could form an educated opinion on."
I wasn't disagreeing with you on anything, I already said:
"I attacked you because you brought up the chilling effect, which you have no credibility discussing because you're a fucking hypocrite about it."
That's not a disagreement. That's a personal attack based on your previous posts about your credibility, with is none.
Oh I see. So you deliberately chose to stay ignorant, and continued this deliberate choice when confronted with the possibility of agreeing with me. Sounds petty and trollish.
That's not a disagreement. That's a personal attack
So you're not even hiding it anymore.
"Oh I see."
This is a weird tick. I'll study it more and get back to you.
"So you deliberately chose to stay ignorant, and continued this deliberate choice when confronted with the possibility of agreeing with me. Sounds petty and trollish."
No I specifically stated that I don't consider Lancaster's or your opinion worthy of consideration on the topic. Yours based off years of lies, his off the first part of this article being ignorant bullshit.
"So you're not even hiding it anymore."
Again, I gave you a nickname identifying you as a liar. I've never hid it.
ignorant giving Lancaster the benefit of the doubt.
Well, you could have chosen to inform yourself on the Carr/CBS matter in any number of ways. Yet you chose not to do so, instead just providing lame excuses for why you chose to remain ignorant. I believe it is as I claimed: because if you really had formed an informed opinion on the matter, you might be put into the uncomfortable position of having to agree with me.
Of course I fully expect you'll now call me a liar based on my above belief, except that an opinion by its nature cannot be a lie. Because it is my opinion that your only purpose here is to come here and troll.
Then you said I agreed with you about it. Which I do not.
So you do not agree with me when I state that Carr is wrong to go after CBS. But when I state that you agree with Carr, then you claim that I am lying.
So, do you agree with Carr's actions, or do you disagree with Carr's actions?
Or, do you not really give a shit about Carr's actions, and you only came here to troll?
So if you don't like what I have done, then be the model of consistency that you criticize me for not being.
Criticize Team Blue for their censorious tendencies, and also criticize Team Red for their censorious tendencies as evidenced by this article.
Can you do it?
Jeffey is trying to pretend he opposed Team Blue censorship. But the truth is he characterized the government demands for censorship as the government's free speech, and therefore others' objections to their censorship and efforts to censor government. Now of course that his team is out of power he has completely changed how he views government power.
It's interesting he and sarc have both landed on the same tactic: demanding others meet a standard they have already failed. Note the consistent element: their own views are never subjected to the same standards as those of the people they hate.
My view hasn't changed. It has stayed exactly the same. It is YOUR team's view that has changed depending on who is in power.
My view is that "jawboning", as your team has characterized it, is overly broad (and politically opportunistic, natch) so much so that it threatens the free speech rights of people who have the legitimate right to offer their opinions on whatever they want.
For example, it should be the right of any person to say, without censorship or punishment, that "I think Zuckerberg should be thrown in jail for permitting the spread of COVID disinformation", or "I think the CEO of CBS should be thrown in jail for permitting the editing of Kamala's interview." EVERYONE should have the right to say either or both of those things, regardless. That includes you, me, Senators, Brendan Carr, Biden, Trump, any president, anyone.
What I think crosses the line, from exercise of free speech to impermissible 'jawboning', is if there is some identifiable, tangible threat of government force for not complying with that opinion. So if Senator Warren had said "I think Zuckerberg should be thrown in jail, and here is the bill I have introduced to demand it", or if Brendan Carr has said "I think the CEO of CBS should be thrown in jail, and here is the regulatory action that I have introduced to demand it", then that goes too far.
So if you disagree with any of that, please clearly explain why.
Nobody read that.
He's having a hard time understanding that people don't take him seriously whatsoever and spending a lot of time having conversations with himself. He needs another sarcasmic to help him.
I see. So you ignore and/or don't take seriously what I actually say, and then accuse me of being a liar. How can you claim that I am a liar if you don't pay attention to what I actually say?
Are you saying that your claims that I am a liar are just another form of your trolling?
"So you ignore and/or don't take seriously what I actually say"
Sometimes.
"and then accuse me of being a liar."
Yes, you are a liar. I even created a nickname.
"How can you claim that I am a liar if you don't pay attention to what I actually say?"
I pay enough attention to know you're a liar. Which is precisely why I don't pay attention to everything.
"Are you saying that your claims that I am a liar are just another form of your trolling?"
Do you think I am saying that? I don't think you do. Which makes this another lie. See how easy that is?
Ooo, you created a nickname! That makes it truthful!
So when you wrote
people don't take him seriously whatsoever
you were NOT counting yourself in the class of individuals that you were referring to as "people" here? Because if you were, then that would mean that you were saying that YOU "don't take [me] seriously whatsoever", which contradicts your later statement that you said that you "sometimes" take me seriously. Sure seems like you are the liar in this exchange.
Do you think I am saying that? I don't think you do. Which makes this another lie.
So, you claim to know my innermost thoughts now? If I were to claim "I think Santa Claus is real", would you say that this is a lie, i.e., an intent to deceive? Or would it be, rather, a mistaken yet sincere belief? (You know, kinda like Trump's claims in 2020 that he thought the election was stolen?)
So yes, I do in fact think that your perpetual accusations of me being a liar, are you just trolling. Because you make absurd claims like the above, that my innermost thoughts that you cannot possibly know, are in fact an intent to deceive. There is no way for you to know this. It's just another way for you to insult me.
Lying Jeffy believes in Santa Claus.
Is that your best comeback? Sad.
That wasn't a comeback it was an interesting observation.
You can only take so much bullshit sophistry before you tune it out. Jeff is the leftist version of white noise at this point.
Your team, however, wants to cast any words from any Team Blue politician as "jawboning" if they say something mean about your team, even if there is no identifiable threat of government action, while letting Team Red off the hook if they do the same or worse.
So Biden can go on TV and literally accuse Zuckerberg of murder, and you get your panties in a wad (while simultaneously claiming that Biden was senile, and therefore not responsible for his opinions? Oh well, consistency isn't your team's strength, is it?)
But if Trump LITERALLY SUES CBS and NBC and a bunch of media organizations, your team says nothing, or outright supports it. Even though that filing a lawsuit is way more an exercise of power than just making some dumb claim on TV.
You and your team are a bunch of tribal hypocrites. You do not believe in free speech as a universal right.
Even though that filing a lawsuit is way more an exercise of power than just making some dumb claim on TV.
This is extra-retarded in light of how much you cheered Dominion getting it's pound from Fox.
And the 1.5B to Alex Jones.
And defended the criminal arrest of Mackey.
And defended censorship induced by government.
Wonder what jeffs rationalization is going to be now that we know all his trusted sources are state funded media.
Nobody read that
Too retarded;didn’t read
Do you think that mocking my argument somehow makes my argument invalid?
He wasn't mocking your argument he was mocking you.
Do you think mocking me makes my argument invalid?
What argument?
Funny how this only comes up almost your claims of something the ‘red team ‘ does. Never when democrats are doing evil. But of course, you always approve of that.
Fuck you. You are trash.
Tomorrow jeffsarc will be back to complaining people aren't respectful enough to the left wingers.
It's particularly amusing given this lie from Jeffey:
What I don't do, is treat them like they are subhuman monsters, the way that so many of you all do.
See, when the right criticizes the left that's treating them like subhuman monsters, which sure seems bad. But actually calling people trash is fine. We'd characterize trash as subhuman right?
More Left Wing Privilege: respect for everyone is critically important but also don't apply to leftist comments at all.
"Why are those Nazis so mean and divisive"?
Apparently applauding the death of babbit, arrests of his enemies, lawfare, bankrupting his enemies, etc isn't treating them like subhuman monsters.
But apparently asking for law to applied equally and blindly is.
Jeff is a piece of shit.
Yet one more example of you inventing a double standard where in reality none exists. You cannot distinguish between judgment of a group based on belief, vs. judgment of an individual based on action or behavior. You dishonestly want to lump them both together as the same thing, when they are not.
For example, it would be wrong to condemn all Yankees fans as immoral demons because they support a certain baseball team. But refusing to judge Yankees fans as a group does not preclude the possibility of judging an individual Yankees fans for individual actions or behaviors that one might undertake, such as committing an actual crime.
So it is wrong to judge left-wingers or right-wingers as a group as being subhuman trash based on their beliefs. But individual left-winger or right-wingers - such as Fire Up above - do deserve judgment for their individual actions.
So predictably you are now going to try to argue "but you are now just trying to apply a double standard to yourself!" Nope, it is the same standard that I have held the whole time in this discussion, it is only you who tried to twist it into something else, project that onto me, and then condemn me for not following your twisted standard.
I'm not reading this.
So it is wrong to judge left-wingers or right-wingers as a group as being subhuman trash based on their beliefs.
Of course we can count on Jeffey to ignore the key difference and focus on the irrelevant. In reality no one defined left wingers as a group as subhuman trash. This is just a lie he invented because it helps denigrate those he hates. That's who he is.
But we really need more respectful and honest debate. But we have to exempt left wingers, we can't have standards for how we treat Nazis.
Good for you actually reading Lying Jeffy's post.
"So it is wrong to judge left-wingers or right-wingers as a group as being subhuman trash based on their beliefs."
What beliefs?
The problem is that the evidence is very weak. These cases have not played out yet and one cannot believe CBS's version of things, that's for sure, as has been demonstrated frequently the past few years.
This entire article is a rush to judgment, short on verifiable facts. Unfortunately, too common for Reason these days.
Another dead giveaway was this:
NewsGuard is a private company that employs journalists to rate the accuracy and reliability of news outlets on a scale of 0–100. (It gave Reason a perfect score "for the highest adherence to journalistic practice.")
Hahahahahahaha!!
So now reason is defending NGO and government funded censorship outlets like Newsguard?
My theory of Reason getting money from USAID keeps making more and more sense.
Politico and Reuters just got destroyed by curious people.
It’s also the NYT too now (not that I’m surprised).
https://x.com/stillgray/status/1887191056074350690?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA
More Biden treason.
I'm thinking the exact same thing.
Well Reason got a 5 star rating that by News Guard criteria indicates they are full on leftist apologists for the deep state regime. And considering their performance during the Covid scam and their twice daily articles by radical statist Jacob Sullum I agree that they deserve that rating.
One that has rated Reson with a perfect score. That would seem unlikely.
They can't honestly pretend that's a badge of honor. They also have to know it's an indictment of their rating system because they don't issue retractions of blatantly false reporting and only occasionally note vague corrections.
I stopped reading this pretty early. Google uses Newsguard ratings to push organizations deep down or off their search results. The link is there regardless of the denial. If you check their ratings on individual articles and on outlets their bias becomes immediately evident.
The free speech argument falls apart pretty quickly the moment government funding or communications are uncovered. Pretty sure Lancaster had zero interest in even looking into it.
It was nice of Joe to start with that so I could stop reading.
Haha, it’s coming Reason. Nothing you can do to stop it now.
https://nypost.com/2024/10/25/us-news/pentagon-other-agencies-funded-censorship-firm-that-blacklisted-the-post-house-committee-reveals/
https://www.newsguardtech.com/press/newsguard-wins-pentagon-state-department-contest-for-detecting-covid-19-misinformation-and-disinformation/
Still no Lying Jeffy comment on this.
I think you've forgotten everything prior to Jan 20.
Linda Khan ring a bell, or have you already memory-holed her?
I think they memory holed that as Orange Man Bad with Rocket Man Bad went after their funding source.
Ask, and ye shall receive wisdom! Knock, and the doors will be opened wide for ye! The pearls will yea verily be cast even unto the swine! Now it is up to YE, having been led to the water, whether ye will DRINK deeply, or if ye will just horse around!
Orange Man bad?!? He BAD, all right! He SOOO BAD, He be GOOD! He be GREAT! He Make America Great Again!
We KNOW He can Make America Great Again, because, as a bad-ass businessman, He Made Himself and His Family Great Again! He Pussy Grabber in Chief!
See The Atlantic article https://feedreader.com/observe/theatlantic.com/politics%252Farchive%252F2016%252F10%252Fdonald-trump-scandals%252F474726%252F%253Futm_source%253Dfeed/+view
“The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet” or this one…
https://reason.com/2019/09/02/republicans-choose-trumpism-over-property-rights-and-the-rule-of-law/
He pussy-grab His creditors in 6 bankruptcies, His illegal sub-human workers ripped off of pay on His building projects, and His “students” in His fake Get-Rich-like-Me realty schools, and so on. So, He has a GREAT record of ripping others off! So SURELY He can rip off other nations, other ethnic groups, etc., in trade wars and border wars, for the benefit of ALL of us!!!
All Hail to THE Pussy Grabber in Chief!!!
Most of all, HAIL the Chief, for having revoked karma! What comes around, will no longer go around!!! The Donald has figured out that all of the un-Americans are SOOO stupid, that we can pussy-grab them all day, every day, and they will NEVER think of pussy-grabbing us right back!
Orange Man Bad-Ass Pussy-Grabber all right!
We CAN grab all the pussy, all the time, and NONE will be smart enough to EVER grab our pussies right back!
These voters simply cannot or will not recognize the central illusion of politics… You can pussy-grab all of the people some of the time, and you can pussy-grab some of the people all of the time, but you cannot pussy-grab all of the people all of the time! Sooner or later, karma catches up, and the others will pussy-grab you right back!
Go fuck yourself with Tim’s wand, shit eating squirrel. I hope the rabbit eats you alive.
Back to China or North Korea with you, English as a second language drop out troll.
At least any pussies Trump grabbed were more than 12 yrs old.
At least Trump didn't gas ass many Jews ass Shilter gassed!!!
Lina Khan sucks but she was chair of the FTC not FCC. Hopefully a few less Alphabet agencies will exist making things a little clearer.
Yes, you're right. I just realized that when I reread it right now.
I’ve heard that the White House is on the process of drafting an EO to end the Department of Education.
They may need Congress to go along. If not, they can simply starve it of funds and move its offices to some very unpleasant place.
Jessica Rosenworcel was chair of the FCC. I don't think she was a bad FCC chair, which is probably why you didn't hear much about her. She even resisted an attempt to utilize section 230 to allow the government to moderate the internet in good faith.
I don't know a lot about her record because her name didn't pop up much in the news.
Makes one think that maybe... MAYBE if the Communications Decency act didn't exist, and by virtue of that, neither did section 230, it wouldn't be such a tempting little nugget.
If you actually read Masnick, it's pretty clear that he's not particularly tech savvy or intelligent. It's like quoting some mid-level reporter at another blog our news outlet except Masnick (paid other people to) set up his own blog. He's, at best, on par with a low-tier YouTube personality. Alex Jones is by far more of a "mover and shaker" than Masnick.
I don't know why people keep quoting him any more than they would quote their local weather girl. It just makes them look dumb.
Lol. Masnick claims to have coined the term Streisand Effect.
https://prabook.com/web/mobile/#!profile/2066731
And that is his big achievement.
Have you ever been to techdirt? I've perused it a few times due to ENB links and they're mildly edgy socialists and statists.
And as for the headline, Biden already had a censor in chief. Nina Jankowicz ring a bell?
Republicans: But the Democrats did it first!
Take a leftist strawman that gets routinely mocked, use it as your argument. How's that working for you buddy?
Except for the fact that you guys routinely cite Democrats doing things first as justification for Republicans doing the same thing.
It usually comes in the form of one of your favorite strawman arguments.
"You didn't complain when Democrats did it, so you're a hypocrite for criticizing Republicans when they do it. Neener neener neener, poopy-head."
Translation: It's ok, Democrats did it first.
Imagine if you hadn’t killed all those brain cells you used to have.
Imagine if you had started off with as many brain cells as I am left with.
Sarc, you may well be the dumbest person to comment here. So you really shouldn’t pull too hard on that thread. M’kay Drunky?
Who do you think you are, Pee Wee Herman?
Cite he ever had brain cells that were functional?
That’s rather Sarcasmic-esque there.
Jeff is in thread and reason is in denial. So let's go through some receipts.
500k for 37 subscriptions to politico. Sounds legit.
https://x.com/Eamon_of_X/status/1887007347958018139
800k for national parks subscription to politico.
https://x.com/FiredFed1/status/1887124191603835044
8M to Reuters for social engineering.
https://x.com/xicbassix/status/1887114865459789910
I don't even have to get into the funding of news guard.
These are the outlets using gov money to censor views while decrying misinformation.
Federally funded groups to provide both censorship and information control. With fed employees being the astroturf groups in the comments. The very entities we are told to blindly trust by jeffsarc. The collusion ignored by Reason.
Curious as to reasons connections now that this is public. They have a lot of donations from random organizations.
Oh lol. Jesse, you and your pals are the reason organizations like NewsGuard exist.
Take your claim above about Reuters getting paid by the government for "social engineering". What ACTUALLY happened, is that they were awarded a grant under the Active Social Engineering Defense program from the Department of Defense:
https://www.darpa.mil/research/programs/active-social-engineering-defense
So in essence, Reuters received a grant to try to stop people from clicking on malware or phishing links.
Now, I have my doubts about the wisdom of the government handing out grants to try to stop malware or phishing. But not because I think it is some sinister plot, because it's probably a waste of money.
However, that is not how your team framed it. You framed it in a much more sinister tone, that Reuters is manipulating the people with "SOCIAL ENGINEERING OMG" to serve the aims of the government because it's government money after all, right?
You and your team are deliberately spreading lies in service of your right-wing agenda. That is disinformation. That is why NewsGuard and other organizations like it exists. I seriously doubt that the founder of NewsGuard woke up one day and said "hey, let's build an online platform that will censor conservatives." No, he started it because he wanted to stop disinformation. Like the type that you are spreading right now, and the type that you and your team spread every single fucking day.
OH, does Team Blue do the same thing? Of course they do. But around here, what we get about 99% of the time is the Team Red version of disinformation.
That is why you object to NewsGuard. Not because you really think they are purposefully biased against conservatives. It is because your team's ENTIRE POLITICAL STRATEGY relies on disinformation, and anyone calling attention to it is a threat to your team keeping power.
tr;dr
Good old Neo Marxist Pedo Jeffy, once again showing your true pinko colors. As usual. You lie, and spew leftist propaganda without the slightest shred of evidence to back it up. Yiu just hate that Yiu can’t stop us from telling the truth. And now that these treasonous entities are being torn down, things will get a lot harder for Yiu.
Mike "This small subset of corporations should have immunity from civil lawsuit when censoring in good faith, even if it comes from a shouty phone call from the Biden administration" Masnick would not be my go-to for speech issues.
I mean, for fuck sakes, Reason:
That Global Disinfo Index, Reason? Yeah, that's the one you're on.
Newsguard is a fucking who's who of incestuous censorious WEF fucks connected to GARM.
Who knew fascism would be the Reason-approved way to censor the internet?
Look at some of the people they defend.
Does Newsguard (and their free speech and property rights) belong to the owners of Newsguard, or does shit belong to Rick James, to the voters, and to Government Almighty?
Long live Section 230!!!
No one’s removing Section 230, fucko.
I hope not! Butt THAT is exactly twat the fascists want to do, including asshole politicians and appointees named in the article above!!!
Irrelevant.
So, these "private" organizations are taking government funds to cast aspersions on media companies?
Are you sure you are defending the right side, Lancaster?
Depends on where Lancaster is getting paid from.
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"So, these "private" organizations are taking government funds to cast aspersions on media companies?"
Are they? I admit that I read most but not completely all of the article. Do you have a quote or a cite about twat you just said? And will tearing down Section 230 HELP this situation, if shit is true?
PS, historically this is what I have, about preventing "jawboning" by Government Almighty employees, etc.
WHO shall be prohibited from making suggestions, about what? Precisely, legally, in both cases? Taking just the WHO… Government employees? Contractors? Their wives, husbands, children, nephews, cats, dogs? If I am the POTUS, or a Senator, and I want to get a “suggestion” put in to you (Twitter-Twatter or FacePooo or etc.), you can BET that I WILL find a way to get that “suggestion” over to you, and make it somehow clear WHO it came from (but NOT in a legally provable fashion).
Then if we are going to outlaw such communications, how will we ENFORCE such laws? More spy cameras and ever more-more-MORE mandatory collection and reporting of ALL of our communications? … Pretty SUCKY idea when we think of HOW are we gonna actually make this WORK!!
A VERY simple version of that would be to outlaw tax money spent as “carrots” to “persuade” media to do or not do certain things! FBI spent millions rewarding Twitter, say some, others say not true… I wasn’t there to see it or not see it… If it IS true, or NOT true, it should be outlawed!
https://www.techdirt.com/2022/12/20/no-the-fbi-is-not-paying-twitter-to-censor/ says 1 source…
https://nypost.com/2022/12/19/fbi-reimbursed-twitter-for-doing-its-dirty-work-on-users/
Well SHIT! Now, WHO to believe!?!? In any case, outlaw tax money spent for this!
Look at the comment I was replying to, you lazy loon.
Rick James Out-take "NewsGuard has briefed committee staff on contracts" doesn't appear in this article, nor does he give a cite. Where is this from?
Is a government agency allowed to have a paid press agent? Is the press agent allowed to dispute LIES about the government agency? Must ALL lies be allowed to stand, undisputed? Is THAT how "free speech" is defined, these days?
Keep defending it.
https://www.newsguardtech.com/press/newsguard-wins-pentagon-state-department-contest-for-detecting-covid-19-misinformation-and-disinformation/
Demon-Craps did shit first and worst, so shit's OK if the Pentagon and-or Trump and or "Team R" does shit, too!
So yes, you’ll keep defending it.
I support Section 230, property rights, and free speech for all, including paid spokes-persons for governmental departments. I do SNOT support "free speech for me, butt snot for thee", ass in Trumpanzees gone apeshit!!!
Not sure what those things have to do with the government hiring a censorship company to do things it would be illegal to do itself, and then Reason lying about it.
Who got censored? If you say "they sky is green" and I say, "You lie! The sky is blue!", then have I censored you?
Whining, cry-baby IDIOT!!!
I did.
And you'll defend my censorship no matter what. Because you're evil. You've created this whole persona to convince yourself that you're just being wacky, but all you do is defend government censorship. Because you're evil.
Amazing how all these self declared one true libertarians are supporting state sponsored media.
Amazing how they all have the same lame strawman, as if pointing out the obvious hypocrisy and double standards isn’t a thing unto itself.
The attempts at exposing this being called censorship is extra hilarious to me.
Libertarians for Pravda.
"That Global Disinfo Index, Reason? Yeah, that's the one you're on."
Again, Reason certainly fits the criteria and they even brag about it.
Global Disinfo Index is run by the Lizard People, so BEWARE!!! The GOOD aliens are the Amphibian People, such ass Pepe the Stolen-IP Racist Frog!!! ALL HAIL PEPE!!!
Beat me to it.
Is . . . is the FCC really relevant as fars as free speech is concerned any more?
I mean, who are they gonna censor? The TV news shows the handful of Boomers left watch after dinner?
GFY reason.
GFY Lieteller1ThroughInfinityandInfinShitty!!!
That escalated fast.
And again, Lancaster misrepresents the legislative purpose of Section 230. It was to give the platforms limited discretion to moderate user content for things like illegal acts and obscenity without incurring liability. It was not to give them a general and unlimited discretion to remove content without incurring liability for what remained. Remember, the original legal standard was incurring liability for all remaining content if any moderation was done. The implication is that incurring liability for content is not an impingement of free speech principles under the 1st Amendment.
Lancaster's standard allows for no free speech for platform users, just for the corporate entities running the platforms.
WHO owns the forum, the web site owner, or Marxist Trash-Rats and Government Almighty?
Look, I’ll make it pretty simple for simpletons. A prime argument of enemies of Section 230 is, since the government does such a HUGE favor for owners of web sites, by PROTECTING web site owners from being sued (in the courts of Government Almighty) as a “publisher”, then this is an unfair treatment of web site owners! Who SHOULD (lacking “unfair” section 230 provisions) be able to get SUED for the writings of OTHER PEOPLE! And punished by Government Almighty, for disobeying any and all decrees from Government Almighty’s courts, after getting sued!
In a nutshell: Government Almighty should be able to boss around your uses of your web site, because, after all, Government Almighty is “protecting” you… From Government Almighty!!!
Wow, just THINK of what we could do with this logic! Government Almighty is “protecting” you from getting sued in matters concerning who you chose to date or marry… In matters concerning what line of work you chose… What you eat and drink… What you read… What you think… Therefore, Government Almighty should be able to boss you around on ALL of these matters, and more! The only limits are the imaginations and power-lusts of politicians!
Owning the forum means you take responsibility for what is on it, which means you accept liability. If it is someone's else speech, then you are not liable because you do not own it. You cannot claim the rights of ownership and deny liability at the same time.
That is the paradox of the legal regime you and Lancaster are defending. You want the platforms to have their cake and eat it too.
"Publisher. Platform. Pick one." ... 'Cause Power Pig said so!
Your large and ugly punishment boner is showing!!! Be decent, and COVER UP, will ya?!?!?
If you want to love animals, pamper your pets. If you love to eat meat, eat meat. Pick one, ONLY one!
You either love animals, or you eat meat… You can NOT do both! All pet owners who eat meat? Their pets will be slaughtered and their pet-meat distributed to the poor! Because I and 51% of the voters said so! And because we are power pigs, and LOOOOOVE to punish people!
“Why should sites that curate content be any different?”
To “curate content” is just to pick and choose. News reporters (of all kinds, and publishers of letters to the editor) do it all day every day. Shall we sue ALL of their socks off, for selectively reporting what OTHER people said? And if Trump gives an hour-long boring speech, and the paper (TV station, etc.) reports only 3 sentences of said shit, should we PUNISH them for that? Fucking power pigs, all of ye!
"Publisher. Platform. Pick one. When you exercise editorial control, you are a publisher."
I’ve heard this utter balderdash from an endless army of marching morons! Using the VERY simple principle of “speech is speech is also writing or any other method of idea conveyance”, then WHAT is “editorial control”? It is simply, picking and choosing what to repeat or report, and what to ignore!
Examples:
Der TrumpfenFuhrer goes on and on and ON AND ON for 2 hours, telling us all just HOW wonderful he is. In the middle of all this boredom, He says, “And voters should only be allow to vote “R”, and NOT for “D” or “L”, ‘cause ALL “D” and “L” votes are fraudulent!” … Now if the media reports ONLY the juicy excerpt from Der TrumpfenFuhrer’s endless blathering, they are clearly “editing”… So we can SUE them (the media) for quoting Der TrumpfenFuhrer said, right, right-wing wrong-nuts? Media LIED to us by omitting context!!!
Der BidenFuhrer goes on and on and ON AND ON for 5 hours, telling us all just HOW wonderful Hunter Biden’s artwork is. In the middle of all this boredom, He says, “And income taxes need to be set to 98% for EVERYONE!” … Now if the media reports ONLY the juicy excerpt from Der BidenFuhrer’s endless blathering, they are clearly “editing”… So we can SUE them (the media) for quoting (“out of context, edited”) what Der BidenFuhrer said, right, left-wing wrong-nuts?
Partisan POWER PIG bullshit all the way down!
No. Do you own the content and therefore have full rights over it? Or do you take no responsibility for it? Pick one.
Do you own the speech of your guests at your house party? Are you allowed to kick them out of your house if they yell loud and obnoxious speech? Are you ALLOWED to kick them out, selectively? But then ye can be SUED by your guests? Or since you invited them, they (ALL of them) can yell WHATEVER THEY WANT?
Pick one, only one: Ye control ALL of the things said by ALL of your guests, and are responsible for it if they LIE or hurt someone's Precious Baby Feelings... Ass a "publisher"... Or ye control NONE of it, and therefor, may SNOT kick them out, ass a free-for-all pubic "forum" owner!
Can ye SNOT see the power pig aspect of this? Shit is JUST like saying, If you want to love animals, pamper your pets. If you love to eat meat, eat meat. Pick one, ONLY one!
You either love animals, or you eat meat… You can NOT do both! All pet owners who eat meat? Their pets will be slaughtered and their pet-meat distributed to the poor! Because I and 51% of the voters said so! And because we are power pigs, and LOOOOOVE to punish people!
If that's too long to read for ye... Shit is VERY simple! Hardcopy news rags for HUNDREDS of years have been BOTH a publisher, AND a highly selective "forum" of who gets to see their editorials and letters to the editor printed, and who does NOT get selected to appear in this "forum"!!! And for hundreds of years, FREE people have been allowed to SELECTIVELY dis-invite obnoxious guests from THEIR property! Do SNOT be such a power pig, please!!!!
Yes. And newspapers and magazines are LIABLE for their content. It is why Rolling Stone got sued for the libelous fake rape article at the University of Virginia about a decade back now.
Being liable for your speech is not a free speech/press violation.
Just an FYI, in case you missed it, a couple years ago ML quoted directly from Section 230 and shitsy called it right wing spin. He doesn’t even bother to know what a law he worships says.
Liar! That shit was about a HEADING and SNOT the CUNTENT of the law! I kicked that bitch's ass in that debate!
Also, you are full of SHIT about HEADINGS and not CONTENTS actually mattering!
From https://uscode.house.gov/detailed_guide.xhtml#second … “Headings. The second type of change involves adding or modifying section and subsection headings. If a Code section is based on an act section that has headings, the Code will usually retain the original headings. However, in some cases, such as where there are no headings in the original act or where the section text is amended in such a way as to make the act headings inaccurate, the Code editors will provide or modify headings for the Code section.”
Simpler: Contents get updated and headings are now newly obsolete? The heading and NOT the contents are supposed to get updated!!! CONTENTS matter and headings do NOT!!! Go pound sand, ye Pervfectly Ignorant, Lying BITCH!!!
In short, YOUR stupid argument of paying ANY attention to section-headings in laws means we should change the “Good Samaritan” heading to the “EVIL Samaritan” heading, on the “theory” that headings mean JACK DIDDLY SQUAT, and the CONTENTS of the paragraphs to follow, are meaningless… Shall we change shit in the heading to “EVIL Samaritan”, and NOW the Crying Bitches and Queens of Internet Trolling will be HAPPY, and all will be FIXED??!
I’m sorry, but ye are BEYOND fixing!!!
Rolling Stone did NOT get sued for letters to the editor or guest editorials! THAT is what is analogous to Reason.com getting sued for YOUR comments right here! What do YOU plan to do, post a bunch of libelous lies here in these comments, and then sue Reason for them? Get rich quick!!! Ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching, baby, all of the way to the bank! Genius!
Yup.
Trump lied about liking free speech and lied about not having anything to do with Project 2025. It must be day that ends in y.
Do you tire of being full of shit, Molly?
How is she wrong?
What is shrike right about shrike?
Sore-in-the-cunt cuntsorevaturds do SNOT give a shit about FACTS and being right or wrong... They only care about who can generate the most grade-school insults!
How else do you expect them to feel good about themselves?
And, Sarcasmic, what NGO employs you, that’s gotten your panties in a massive twist? You and your butt buddy Jeff should get your resumes ready.
Ideas!
Is that y'all's mating call or something?
It beats the hell out of a 40 of Colt 45.
It's a succinct reminder you have literally never followed the principles you criticize others for.
This is highly amusing as you preen about as someone with integrity when we all know better.
Did that make you feel good about yourself, and did you attract any mates? I bet you feel all kinds of superior now, don't you. And you're practically swimming in boners after attacking yours truly. Today is a good score for you. You got to build yourself up by trying to tear someone down, and you got to suck a bag of dicks!
Ideas!
You could always stop my criticism by applying consistent standards instead of engaging in your juvenile propaganda. But that would preclude your first priority so I'm not expecting that.
Based on past results it's probably best you don't even try to respond intelligently and skip right to the insults. This time though you should probably wait longer before lecturing others on their lack of respectful dialogue.
You could always stop my criticism by applying consistent standards instead of engaging in your juvenile propaganda.
Bullshit. If I said the sky is blue you'd attack me and call me a liar because of the clouds, and then do some smug preening.
OK, then, ideas, Marshal...
Are ye here to defend truly free speech for all, supporting Section 230?
Or for SPECIAL free speech rights for SPECIAL Trumpaloos, who get to squelch the rest of us?
If I said the sky is blue you'd attack me and call me a liar b
If I did that you'd be able to show everyone and I would lose credibility. We both know you can't show this because I don't do that.
What's interesting here though is how you feel free to put words in others' mouths, something you claim shows a lack of integrity when you claim others do it to you. Again we see you have no principles for yourself, in your world they only exist as a means to attack others.
Marshal won't tell us which side of the fence it is shitting upon! Twat an UDDER slurprise!
(Marshal is here to issue grade-school insults and little if anything else.)
How is s/he ever right, steaming pile of TDS-addled shit?
LMAO....
Project 2025 -
to take partisan control of key government agencies, like the Department of Justice (DOJ), Department of Commerce (DOC), and Federal Trade Commission (FTC). Other agencies, like the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), would be *dismantled*, and the Department of Education (ED) *abolished*.
cutting Medicare and Medicaid, and reversing Biden's policies.
So "free speech" is all about having a mountain of [Na]tional So[zi]alist Agencies or what?
Why that's just as funny as the De-Regulating 'Authoritarian'....
"He's hollowing out our Nazi-Institutions!", the leftards cry.... hahahahaha.
What idiot would think that Trump would place at the top of the FCC someone who was not a Trump loyalist and who genuinely cared about free speech? Carr's threats are part of his "qualifications" for the position, First Amendment be damned.
Yeah defending Americans against censorship is censorship.
Eat shit fascist.
You left off:
"and die".
Not what the story shows, fuckwit.
And do you understand the difference between government and private censorship?
Your reading comprehension is as pathetic as your supposed 'intelligence'.
Fuck off and die, TDS-addled asshole.
Once again:
1A: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Section 230: Protection For 'Good Samaritan' Blocking and Screening of Offensive Material
Is it a law passed by Congress? Yes.
Does it affect free speech? Yes.
Does it affect redress of grievances? Yes.
Does it evoke religion (even if only obliquely)? Yes.
The only part of the 1A that it, arguably, doesn't impinge upon is "of the press" (and potentially peaceable assembly depending on how you consider meetups in e-space) and, even then, it only does so inasmuch as it elevates or protects them above all the others. Even if none of the above was the intent, it's what the law does and is being used for now and needs struck down.
It really is that simple.
We used to have a 'days without mentioning Matt Yglesias' drinking game, we need one for Mike Masnick.
yes.
We added the masnick counter when ENB wrote the roundup.
The massive hoards of trolls that Section 230 was passed to prevent from taking over the internet? It turns out that they were actually just shielding themselves from liability.
Liability from what? The "Free Speech" of posters?
Nothing in Section 230 prevents going after posters.
...
If that's what backward is, remind me not to get in a car you're driving.
Do YOU trust Government Almighty parasites to decide whether you are acting in "good faith" concerning what happens on YOUR web site? At cocktail parties at YOUR house? In letters and emails that YOU write? In things that YOU say, or chose to pass on, or not pass on?
Twat could POSSIBLY go wrong here?
Who I'd trust is not at issue. This is about a HyR blogger's insistence that the way this government functionary couches the language is the opposite of what it says, which is manifestly untrue and silly on its face. It's verbatim. Good faith is good faith.
Repeating my comment from above:
Just an FYI, in case you missed it, a couple years ago ML quoted directly from Section 230 and shitsy called it right wing spin. He doesn’t even bother to know what a law he worships says.
Keep this in mind when attempting to have a good faith discussion with him on this topic.
Liar! That shit was about a HEADING and SNOT the CUNTENT of the law! I kicked that bitch's ass in that debate!
Also, you are full of SHIT about HEADINGS and not CONTENTS actually mattering!
From https://uscode.house.gov/detailed_guide.xhtml#second … “Headings. The second type of change involves adding or modifying section and subsection headings. If a Code section is based on an act section that has headings, the Code will usually retain the original headings. However, in some cases, such as where there are no headings in the original act or where the section text is amended in such a way as to make the act headings inaccurate, the Code editors will provide or modify headings for the Code section.”
Simpler: Contents get updated and headings are now newly obsolete? The heading and NOT the contents are supposed to get updated!!! CONTENTS matter and headings do NOT!!! Go pound sand, ye Pervfectly Ignorant, Lying BITCH!!!
In short, YOUR stupid argument of paying ANY attention to section-headings in laws means we should change the “Good Samaritan” heading to the “EVIL Samaritan” heading, on the “theory” that headings mean JACK DIDDLY SQUAT, and the CONTENTS of the paragraphs to follow, are meaningless… Shall we change shit in the heading to “EVIL Samaritan”, and NOW the Crying Bitches and Queens of Internet Trolling will be HAPPY, and all will be FIXED??!
I’m sorry, but ye are BEYOND fixing!!!
Tomorrow, they will pass a law labelled “The Purity, Cleanliness, and Anti-Pollution Law”, and NO decent person could disagree with THAT, right, right-wing wrong-nut?
Within this law, there will be a paragraph labelled the “Anti-Messy-Housekeeping Provision”, and again, ALL good people will AGREE with that. BUTT… The paragraph’s CONTENTS will say, “All Jewish people being known to be filthy, shall legally forfeit their lives, in any and all unclean Jew-containing households, so that the CLEAN people can, legally, kill the unclean ones, cleansing our collective households, reducing pollution, and CLEANING our world!”
And STUPID AND EVIL people like YOU will look at the LABEL of the paragraph, and ignore the CONTENTS, whenever You think it will get You some POWER!!!
So “Good Samaritans” are BAD, and we need EVIL Samaritans instead, right, Servant-Serpent of the Evil One? And SOMEHOW (PLEASE explain this to us!), the “Good Samaritans”-labelled clause FORCED Twitter to unwillingly accept ??? mind-control from the Government Almighty, and MADE them do things that they did NOT want to do? Without Government Almighty EVER punishing ANY Twitter employees for “incorrect” political moderation?
What punishment does Perfect You, and Your Perfect Punishment Clitoris, wish to wreak upon the disobedient Twitterites, for accepting suggestions that YOU do NOT approve of, ON THEIR FUCKING WEB SITE, NOT YOURS, pray tell?
Hoes mad.
Slut cunt think! Whore cunt be honest!
Good faith *has* to be prerequisite. Otherwise it's just SOP.
Developing good faith after the fact rather explicitly implies bad or no faith a priori.
"remind me not to get in a car you're driving"
Maybe you can use a Gov - 'Gun' and force your ride to entitle you?
Free speech for me, not for thee. The new GOP motto.
Seriously, you’re going with that, after all that’s been done by Democrats for the past fucking decade, Bucko?
Brandyshit's a D in sheep's clothing.
Brandy was one of the primary defenders of censorship the last decade.
Ah yes. Your favorite strawman.
"He didn't complain when Democrats did it, so he's a hypocrite for criticizing Republicans for doing the same thing. Neener neener neener. Look at the poopy-head."
In other words, it's ok because Democrats did it first.
I guess we can add strawman to the list of words sarc doesn't understand.
But the weird thing about his complaint is that he treats the right's supposed hypocrisy - he doesn't even show it, he just assumes it - as more damning than his own proven hypocrisy. But that's Left Wing Privilege again. When others do something it is damning, when he does the same thing it's not even worth mentioning.
he doesn't even show it, he just assumes it
You talking about Jesse and friends when they claim anyone who criticizes Republicans never criticized Democrats?
When others do something it is damning, when he does the same thing it's not even worth mentioning.
Again, you talking about Jesse and friends when they respond to criticism for doing something damning and say "You never criticized Democrats when they did it" which makes it ok because Democrats did it first?
So your argument is Jesse is just like you?
Ok. I guess that means something to you.
It is literally the worst insult he could give someone, saying they are the same as him.
Ha ha. No. It is funny how you excuse and defend liars and hypocrites when they share your politics. You determine right and wrong not by what someone does, but by what you perceive their politics to be. If they're on your team they do something, you defend them. If they're on the other team and do the exact same thing, you attack them. And it's always ok because the other team did it first.
As usual you make up whatever makes you feel better. It doesn't surprise me you're not able to understand anyone who does have principles since you don't have any yourself.
And you defended censorship for years you liar.
Except that I didn't. But I'm not going to argue. I know better than to contradict the Trumptards' narrative. As we all know, when facts contradict the their narrative, the facts are leftist.
"He didn't complain when Democrats did it, so he's a hypocrite for criticizing Republicans for doing the same thing.”
Unironically, yes. And no, that’s not saying it’s ok for Republicans to do it. Personally I’d prefer they didn’t adopt the lefts tactics (however Pollyannaish that might be), but you can hardly blame them for seeing how effective they are and finally using them against the left.
Sometimes you have to use the mutually assured destruction plan.
In political gamesmanship, absolutely.
It's all about who, not what. So it's evil censorship when the left does it, but it's perfectly fine to censor the left. After all, they did it first.
I missed the part where Brendan Carr was sending censorship memo's to the press in this article.
I swear your attacks are nothing but attacks on your own imagination.
so you fucks carry CBS News water for the thirty-eighth time then ... jfc
I'm still trying to figure out how releasing information that was previously hidden equals censorship.
^THIS.............. +100000000000000 Well Said.
“Section 230 does not require ‘good faith’ as a prerequisite for liability protection. Rather, it states that websites bear no civil liability for … moderation decisions made ‘in good faith.’”
I don’t know about you, sir, but it sure seems to me that “good faith” actually is a prerequisite to immunity from civil liability for moderation decisions.
That is ENTIRELY too vague for good law!!! "Everyone must make a reasonable effort to love everyone else" would otherwise make an EXCELLENT, short and sweet law!!
Can you imagine twat will happen when “good faith” gets interpreted by activist and-or crazy and-or ax-grinding judges?
It's straight up "Don't believe your lying eyes. The following statement is a lie. The previous statement is true. Therefor, my assertion is correct."
"Made" meaning 'created', "decisions" being the predecessor to actions (for rational actors), "in" meaning with or from a position of good faith... it's literally saying the good faith has to exist in order to not just perform the moderating action, but prior to making the decision.
"Brendan Carr has a clear record of threatening to suppress constitutionally protected speech."
Unlike the Biden administration which has a clear record of ACTUALLY suppressing constitutionally protected speech. Who got your vote, TDS-addled pile of shit?
Just once, I would like to hear one of you all admit that disinformation is a problem. That's all. Not about blame or criticism or bitching, just simply stating "Yeah, disinformation is a problem in political discourse". That's all.
Once we can agree on this very basic fact, then maybe we can have a discussion on possible solutions.
But if all you are going to do is bitch and moan about everyone trying to do something about it, then there's nothing more to say, is there? You want disinformation, you approve of disinformation, it is a core part of your team's political strategy. Lie and trick people into supporting an agenda that they wouldn't otherwise support if they were told the truth.
You’ve never see me say I have a problem with liars? Lol, never change Lying Jeffy.
You have a problem with Trump and his lies?
What lies?
lol
Exactly.
Are you claiming that you don't think Trump has told any lies? That seems like a rather absurd position to take.
If you think that Trump has told at least one lie, then why do you bother asking "what lies" when even you would agree that he has told a lie?
"Are you claiming that you don't think Trump has told any lies?"
No.
"That seems like a rather absurd position to take."
And yet you asserted it as mine. Pretty dishonest, expected.
"If you think that Trump has told at least one lie, then why do you bother asking "what lies".
You asked if I had a problem with them. I asked you which ones. Not a complicated question. I don't understand your confusion here.
And yet you asserted it as mine.
No, I did not. That is a lie. I asked if it was your position. I did not assert that it was your position.
You asked if I had a problem with them. I asked you which ones.
No, you did not. You did not say "which lies". You said "What lies?" Very different. "Which lies?" implies that you acknowledge that he has told lies, but you want to know about which one. "What lies?" implies that you are skeptical of the claim that he has told any lies at all.
I think you are really flailing here after I have exposed you for being the troll and the liar that you have always been.
So, now that you admit that Trump has told a lie, why don't you tell us all which of his numerous lies that you have a problem with, and why.
"No, I did not. That is a lie. I asked if it was your position. I did not assert that it was your position."
"That seems like a rather absurd position to take."
Keep going Lying Jeffy, you're doing great.
"That seems like a rather absurd position to take."
Which is what I wrote, immediately after writing:
Are you claiming that you don't think Trump has told any lies?
So clearly, I was asking IF you held that position, not asserting that you did, and that that position, IF you held it, would be an absurd one to take. Funny how you left that part out. Is it because you are a dishonest troll?
Jeffsarc, you're not intelligent enough to be pedantic. Just stop.
Name three ‘lies’ that you allege Trump has told.
Three? Lying Jeffy won’t name one. Because that gives up the game.
This entire thread took place without Lying Jeffy ever identifying a single lie Trump told.
But that wasn't the point of this discussion. The point wasn't to try to convince you whether any particular statement was a Trump lie. The point was to try to learn from you what it is about a particular Trump lie, that you already know to be a lie and don't require any further convincing that it is a lie, is so problematic for you. The fact that you decided to spend all of your time trying to nitpick grammar choices and to then try to criticize me for not naming any of Trump's lies, when that wasn't the point, tells me all that I need to know.
Trump shits on OUR Sacred Side of the Fence, so NO lies from Trump, nor "special orders", can EVER upset us!!! Lettuce all OBEY, damn-shit-all!!!
(Besides, if we enthusiastically and spastically suck some YUUUGE Orange Cock, He just MIGHT reward us with "access" to His Queen, Spermy Daniels!)
Spoiler Alert: Don't Get Eliminated (formerly: Troll Mac) is totally fine with lies if they come from his tribe. He only gets his panties in a wad if the lies come from someone he doesn't like.
That's not what spoiler alert means.
That’s rich coming from Lying Jeffy.
What ‘lies’ is he fine with?
You want disinformation, you approve of disinformation, it is a core part of your team's political strategy.
Notice the propaganda here. He supported the largest political hoaxes in American history - the Russian Collusion Hoax and Hunter Laptop is Russian Disinformation hoax, and then complains others approve of disinformation as if it isn't his own eam's sole electoral strategy going on 5 decades. The kicker though is that while he contributes nothing but propaganda and hatred he frames himself as the arbiter of good faith as if he's above all that. This is Left Wing Privilege: no matter how debased or unethical they are they believe the purity of their goals absolves them. This is an evolutionary step from believing everyone opposing them is racist and therefore evil.
Also remember pure stupidity can't explain his comments because he invents lies as a matter of course including the time he claimed I defended an apartheid supporter. It wasn't even someone else and he got the name wrong. He just made it up because that's the kind of person he is.
Yup here you are, just being a shitposting provocateur. Nothing to add. Go fuck yourself.
Why don't you tell us all here why you think I am a leftist. Which left-wing positions have I supported?
If you weren't a leftist you wouldn't have a problem applying your supposed principles to both teams. Instead you identify irrelevancies to (in your mind) justify disparate treatment. Every single event you describe mis-analyzes reality to protect the left and attack the right. As in this comment you only care when the right does something wrong while you continually absolve the left. You make up reasons to attack the right, you make up reasons to protect the left.
It's hardly news people misrepresent themselves if they think it will make their arguments more persuasive, in fact you routinely accuse people on the right of doing this which makes your faux outrage all the more amusing. This is another form of Left Wing Privilege: leftists can assert bad faith and question beliefs of others but claim these questions are illegitimate when applied to them.
If you weren't a leftist you wouldn't have a problem applying your supposed principles to both teams.
I do apply my principles to both teams. You don't recognize it. That is your problem not mine.
while you continually absolve the left
But I don't "absolve the left". What I don't do, is treat them like they are subhuman monsters, the way that so many of you all do. Left-wingers and right-wingers are just people, same as everyone else. But that is beyond your little pea-brain to recognize.
What really irritates you, is that I stand up for the rights and liberties, properly understood, of EVERYONE, including left-wingers. Because that is unacceptable to you, you claim that simply defending the liberties of all people means "absolving the left". No it isn't, it means I'm a principled libertarian, unlike the tribalist trash that inhabit this forum who only wants liberty for their team and nothing but garbage for the other team.
This is another form of Left Wing Privilege: leftists can assert bad faith and question beliefs of others but claim these questions are illegitimate when applied to them.
That is not "Left Wing Privilege". That is TRIBAL Privilege. It applies both to left-wing tribalists as well as right-wing tribalists. Look at you in this very discussion, who has spent his entire time criticizing the people that you hate, while spending zero effort actually discussing the issue at hand. This is because you are entirely deflecting from Team Red behaving badly here. When Team Red behaves badly, they are entitled to do so because they have pure motives and they are empowered to do whatever it takes to stop The Left. And you are doing your part by distracting the conversation away from Team Red's actions.
That is not "Left Wing Privilege". That is TRIBAL Privilege.
You can't understand anything. Left wingers are able to maintain these beliefs because they control our institutions. Because they are trained and largely function within institutions which reinforce these beliefs and standards Left Wingers believe these standards are normal and universal.
There is no similar right wing process because the right controls no institutions. This is a similar impact as the documented fact that the right understands the left much better than the reverse because the left's worldview is eternally broadcast throughout society.
But I don't "absolve the left".
Of course you do. There has never been a case you didn't downplay the left's culpability.
What really irritates you, is that I stand up for the rights and liberties, properly understood, of EVERYONE, including left-wingers.
This is a lie since I routinely show you can only support your conclusions using double standards.
No it isn't, it means I'm a principled libertarian,
If you were you wouldn't need the double standards.
You can't understand anything.
There has never been a case you didn't downplay the left's culpability
I routinely show you can only support your conclusions using double standards
You make a lot of claims but you never back up any of them. This is called, I believe, "all hat no cattle". Maybe it's time for you to put up or shut up.
I'm curious if Jeff is so down his left wing privelege hoke that he is unable to commit to any self reflection to understand his response to you is a complete fabricated lie.
He has supported government attacks on all the following:
Babbit (murder)
Nonviolent J6ers
Trump
Flynn
Bannon
Alex Jones
Even debunking of conservatives.
Abortion protestors
Parents
Catholic churches using Latin
Tulsi
RFK
Elon
I mean I can go on and on listing people Jeff actively seeks to restrict freedoms and liberties from.
I can also just go back to covid and the people whose liberties he openly wanted to deny.
Jeff, like sarc, seems to be a pathalogical liar.
Even in his response to you he had to add the qualifier "properly understood" to:
A) justify his beliefs as proper
B) have an out for his contradictions
He’s always. Trying to lay some kind of trap, by getting everyone to agree with his bullshit premise about vague accusations of Trump lying, or similar bullshit. It’s pathetic.
MAP.
Here you go
maps.google.com
Not what I meant but Google is also left-wing so I'll take it.
While You are PervFectly taking it, also PLEASE take some smart pills! They can be found at the bottom of a rabbit hutch!
Just once, I would like to hear one of you all admit that disinformation is a problem.
It was never a problem in the first place.
Universal suffrage is the real problem you have here.
You can kill your support for that at any point in time.
If people would just wear a mask and take the jab, the government wouldn't be forced to do mandate it.
If everyone would stop spreading misinformation, the government wouldn't have to funnel tax dollars to left-wing organizations to censor people.
It's The Radical Individualist Guide to Libertarianism.
Since you've already admitted above that you don't take seriously what I say, then it's safe to say that you aren't correctly representing my position here.
Safe for you to say.
Is this where you claim to pay attention to what I say, right after claiming that you don't pay attention to what I say?
Is this where you claim to faithfully reproduce my sincere opinion, even while getting caught lying multiple times in this comment thread?
"Is this where you claim to faithfully reproduce my sincere opinion"
Lmao, no. WTF are you talking about?
I can’t imagine spending more than five minutes in Pedo Jeffy’s excruciating presence without feeling compelled to beat the shit out of him.
Well, that was very convenient of you to admit that when you wrote:
If everyone would stop spreading misinformation, the government wouldn't have to funnel tax dollars to left-wing organizations to censor people.
you were not faithfully representing my sincere opinion. You were, instead, just trolling.
It’s a problem in so much as at least 1/4th of the populace is functionally retarded and easily led.
From a libertarian/individualist perspective it’s most definitely not a problem the government has any business being involved in. The private solution is of course more speech/information, not censorship by techbros at the direction of nameless government bureaucrats (or in sympathy with them).
It’s a problem in so much as at least 1/4th of the populace is functionally retarded and easily led.
OMG you agree with me even just a little bit! That means you have "leftist cooties" now, right?
From a libertarian/individualist perspective it’s most definitely not a problem the government has any business being involved in.
Fine, I agree! But just because we both agree that the government is not the proper place to find a solution, that doesn't mean that the problem goes away.
The private solution is of course more speech/information
10 years ago I would have agreed with this as a sufficient response. But now, I think that this is necessary, but not sufficient. I think we have reached a point where there is almost "too much" information, in the sense that a lot of people have a hard time sifting out what is true and what is not, because we are all so overwhelmed with so many information sources courtesy of the Internet. So because of this, many people just give up, and they instead "go with their gut" or "go with what their friends say" or "go with what they empirically see themselves" even if their empirical observations are inevitably tainted by their own biases and prejudices. So I do think we need a healthy diversity of lots of speech on all sorts of issues. But I also think we need better mental tools to decipher and determine what is true among the very large sea of nonsense that is out there. That starts with education, particularly better critical thinking skills and better media literacy skills. Again it doesn't have to come from government. But it should come from somewhere IMO.
"It’s a problem in so much as at least 1/4th of the populace is functionally retarded and easily led.
OMG you agree with me even just a little bit! That means you have "leftist cooties" now, right?"
Sad.
From a libertarian/individualist perspective it’s most definitely not a problem the government has any business being involved in.
Fine, I agree! But just because we both agree that the government is not the proper place to find a solution, that doesn't mean that the problem goes away
The top story is that the US government has, in fact, been caught secretly using tax payer dollars to be the "solution". You don't seem concerned by this.
The top story is that the US government has, in fact, been caught secretly using tax payer dollars to be the "solution". You don't seem concerned by this.
To paraphrase a certain commenter:
I have no opinion on what the government and Newsguard did, because I don't know anything about it, and I'm not going to form any opinion on the topic based off the reaction of liars.
“OMG you agree with me even just a little bit!”
Let me clarify. I don’t personally think 1/4th of the population being functionally retarded is a huge problem as that leaves 3/4th of at least average intelligence. But I can see how some people might not be so blasé.
“That means you have "leftist cooties" now, right?”
Im not worried. Somehow, I don’t think anyone will think I’m a leftist (I’ve agreed with you in the past, and have even been known to agree with Tony and other left leaning posters when they made a salient point) or even get your cooties.
“…because we both agree that the government is not the proper place to find a solution, that doesn't mean that the problem goes away.”
it’s not so much that the problem goes away, it’s that it’s not that big to begin with.
“But I also think we need better mental tools to decipher and determine what is true among the very large sea of nonsense that is out there.”
The second we cede that responsibility to anyone else, we’ve lost the plot. You can’t TOP MEN your way out of the quandary (royalty you just to clarify.)
it’s not so much that the problem goes away, it’s that it’s not that big to begin with.
Oh I disagree. There's plenty of research out there now which shows that people more and more rely on social media to make important decisions, not just about politics and voting but about all sorts of matters in their own lives. And social media is not exactly a reliable source of information. But it does reinforce groupthink and in-group biases!
The second we cede that responsibility to anyone else, we’ve lost the plot. You can’t TOP MEN your way out of the quandary (royalty you just to clarify.)
Oh come on. I'm not suggesting some TOP MAN come down from on high and tell us what to do. I'm saying that we all could use better skills in critical thinking and media literacy. Suggesting that one should have better critical thinking skills is like suggesting that one should eat a healthier diet. I'm not forcing anyone to go to the gym, I am expressing my opinion on what would improve one's quality of life.
“Disinformation” is a weasel word that people who like to use censorship call contradictory information. It’s a bullshit term used by bullshit people like Jeffy here.
No it is a real thing. That some people misuse the term 'disinformation', does not make the concept of 'disinformation' completely invalid. Take for example what Jesse posted above, about Reuters getting government funding for "social engineering". The way he and his source framed it, it was some sinister plot by Reuters to do the bidding of government to alter society wholesale. But IN REALITY, it was a government grant to try to get people to stop clicking on phishing attempts. Not sinister, not malevolent, no hidden agenda. The disinformation part is taking this relatively innocuous grant and blowing it up into something sinister in the service of some agenda. That is wrong.
Sorry, asshole, but it’s not. It’s a bullshit term used by dorks like you to denigrate contrary information to your propaganda.
Was the Reuters grant mentioned above really an attempt for the government to use Reuters to enact some sinister "social engineering" scheme? Yes or no?
It's a term used by retards who can't properly structure their own argument. New age ad hominem.
"Yeah, *free speech* is a problem in political discourse", chemjeff
LOL......
Why am I not surprised to see a known leftard pitching censorship in the exact same article other known leftards are insisting it's a Trump appointee problem.
The House of Representatives impeached President Donald Trump on December 18, 2019, after a White House whistleblower went public with evidence that Trump abused his powers by withholding military aid to Ukraine in order to dig up dirt on his rival, Joe Biden.
In the complaint, the whistleblower claimed to have heard from White House staff that Trump had, on a phone call, directed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to work with his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, to investigate Joe Biden and Hunter Biden.
The whistleblower who triggered the impeachment was a CIA analyst who was first brought into the White House by the Obama administration.
Reporting by Drop Site News last year revealed that the CIA analyst relied on reporting by a supposedly independent investigative news organization called the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP), which appears to have effectively operated as an arm of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), which President Trump has just shut down. The CIA whistleblower complaint cited a long report by OCCRP four times.
The OCCRP report alleged that two Soviet-born Florida businessmen were “key hidden actors behind a plan” by Trump to investigate the Bidens. According to the story, those two businessmen connected Giuliani to two former Ukrainian prosecutors. The OCCRP story was crucial to the House Democrats’ impeachment claim, which is that Trump dispatched Giuliani as part of a coordinated effort to pressure a foreign country to interfere in the 2020 presidential election, which is why the whistleblower cited it four times.
In a 2024 documentary that German television broadcaster NDR made about OCCRP’s dependence on the US government, a USAID official confirmed that USAID approves OCCRP’s “annual work plan” and approves new hires of “key personnel.” NDR initiated and carried out the investigation with French investigative news organization Mediapart, Italian new group Il Fatto Quotidiano, Reporters United in Greece, and Drop Site News in the United States.
However, according to a Mediapart story published the same day as the Drop Site News article, NDR censored the broadcast “after US journalist Drew Sullivan, the co-founder and head of the OCCRP, placed pressure on the NDR management and made false accusations against the broadcaster’s journalists involved in the project.”
https://x.com/shellenberger/status/1887282681609588759
I think the actually intelligent people in Team Red understand that the real key to Trump's success is that he validates the lies and disinformation that the broad mass of Team Red voters hold. Trump is a very effective propagation vector for disinformation that is beneficial to their team. So if Team Red wants, say, stricter border enforcement that includes mass deportations and, very probably, restrictions on the liberties of every American, they know that they will never win an intellectual argument on its merits. The ONLY way they can win is by spreading lies and disinformation. They MUST put out daily missives about Haitians eating pets or MS-13 gang members EVERYWHERE raping and murdering people, or lazy Mexicans stealing Americans' jobs. And Trump will just repeat it all because at his core, he really is no different than they are. Sure he's a billionaire (maybe), but he's a billionaire with the same prejudices as your typical Iowa farmer. So the actual smart people in Team Red understand this, USE him to spread bullshit on behalf of his policy preferences. Because that is the only way they can win.
Yes, this! Political power at ANY price!!!!
In summary:
If Team Red were to make the argument to the wider population that "You should adopt policy X because of rational and logical reasons A B and C", they understand that most people would not be persuaded by rational and logical reasons A B and C, and would instead prefer the status quo.
But, if Team Red were to say "You should adopt policy X because OTHERWISE THE IMMIGRANT INVADERS WILL MURDER YOUR CHILDREN", then they are much more likely to prevail in the court of public opinion.
And fact-checkers will call bullshit on that claim. Which Team Red resents, so they instead work the refs. "They're biased against us! You can't trust them!"
THAT is why they don't like fact-checking or NewsGuard. Because it makes their job harder.
Butt twat about the pet-snatching and pet-eating invading armies of Haitians?!?!?!
Trump is adopting the tactics Team Blue has used for going on 5 decades, the jeffsarcs suddenly realize they are illegitimate. Revealingly they refuse to apply this newly developed principle to Team Blue.
He’s actually going beyond anything Team Blue has used. Team Blue uses a mission command model to operate. It’s functional, but requires full top down management of the system to disseminate information while making it look organic and keeping their fingerprints off it. Trump is using maneuver warfare against them, having several plans fully cooked that he can throw at them at once and keep them on the defensive.
John Konrad explains it well: https://x.com/johnkonrad/status/1886916890427318673?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA
That is quite a read. Hilarious to be sure. You all really can't accept that there are a bunch of people who don't like Trump, and they aren't being told, directed, paid, coerced, or forced into disliking Trump. It isn't a grand conspiracy. It's a bunch of people who have sincerely different opinions about the direction of the country. But it makes you feel better to believe that it is all just one big giant sinister conspiracy of "The Blob" coordinating with "The Deep State" using some military command & control model, because that makes it easier for you to villify them.
We know there are many such people. Including treasonous democrat filth, such as yourself.
Classic! Sarcasmic is correct!!! The Demon-Craps did shit first and worst, so shit is BLESSED for "Team R" to do shit, too!!! THIS is how we move forward Progressively, Cumrades!!!
You really are clueless as to what’s actually going on.
Article IV; Section 4
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion"
Does it really matter how many ?LIES? you can dream up in your head?
The job to prevent invasion is still there.
So, Carr is our "censor in chief" because he focused his anti-censorship efforts on those doing the censoring.
WHERE are the mass graves of the victims? WHERE are the re-education camps of those accused of WRONG political moderation of THEIR web sites? HELP us, Vernon Depner, HELP us to find ALL of these WAY too many-many victims, PLEASE!!!
Republicans would be SO WISE to keep 1A issues inside D.C.
There is nothing UN-Constitutional about private censorship.
It's Politicians wielding it that is the problem.
All those [D] and [R] politicians with their names on D.C. letterheads of requested censorship (shown as such in congress investigation) should be impeached and blocked from office for life.
"How the FCC's 'Warrior for Free Speech' Became Our Censor in Chief"
Er ... um ... scare headlines, but what has he censored so far? Or are you just scaring yourself with your own ghost stories around the campfire?
When he (and Trump) start seriously censoring us severely, by then it will be TOO LATE to warn ANYONE about twat is going on!!! We are being warned about twat is cumming our way! Shit is that simple!
(Twats cumming my way is OK by me when the babes are cute... Butt THIS bitch is ONE Ugly Mama!!!)
Is this warning similar to the warnings about global warming? Or the warning about the COVID pandemic? Or maybe UFO aliens?
Warnings about evil, power-hungry, selfish politicians are utterly fables, and can't come true? Even when the warnings are based on what the evil ones loudly say? Have you read much if any human history?
People hear ;your brain cancer mumblings and do the opposite.
LOL... Well Said +1000000000000.
All I can say is, after this article, Reason's rating with Newsguard will be EVEN HIGHER than 100%!
Spill the D.C. censorship memo's 'Newsguard' and let's see who's names are on them.
Oh wait... Maybe that's what Brendan Carr actual did. (request info)
"MUH FREE SPEECHUZ!" LOL:
Rep. Nancy Mace Repeatedly Uses Transgender Slur During Hearing
After she used the word, ranking member Gerald Connolly cut in.
"The gentlelady has used a phrase that is considered a slur in the LGBTQ community and the transgender community," Connolly said.
"Let me please finish without interruption," he said. But Mace interrupted him as he was speaking.
"T*****, t*****, t*****," Mace said. "I don't really care. You want penises in women's bathrooms and I'm not going to have it. No, thank you."
Literally, beyond parody
Was she saying ‘tranny’? What’s wrong with calling trannies trannies?
Isn't "transgender slur" literally a transgender slur?
I think the issue was with her pronouncing it by the American spelling "Tranny" and not the British spelling "Trannie".
Makes sense.
And yet, somehow I doubt you blink an eye at hateful slurs that the LGBT pedo community uses, like "cis-male" or "cis-female."
NewsGuard is a private company that employs journalists to rate the accuracy and reliability of news outlets on a scale of 0–100. (It gave Reason a perfect score "for the highest adherence to journalistic practice.")
And you just shot yourself in both feet.
The age of the fact-checkers is over, Joe. Community Notes is eating them alive.
I think you're wrong. Abuse of fact-checkers may have been put on pause, but the use of fact-checkers has been a thing since before mass communications became widespread and is likely to increase in the age of AI and deep fakes, not decrease. The question is the same: what is the best way to get reliable facts before you make important decisions? Who can you trust for various kinds of information? Do you have to compare at least two different sources for concurrence every time? Or can you rely on the "smell test" most of the time before deciding to dig deeper?
Who can you trust for various kinds of information?
Clearly not NewsGuard.
But, being less flippant - the reality is that you can't really trust any media anymore. They've burned their currency, trading journalistic integrity for financial solvency (or, worse, to become vassals of the State).
And that's the problem. The answer to your question SHOULD be "the media." The reality is that we've all painfully learned that they're the LAST ones we should be trusting.
Can't honestly say I know how to recover from that in an age of information and instantaneous communication.
I know! You can trust your Uncle Festus's Facebook ramblings to make informed decisions. Because Uncle Festus is a true patriot and uses common sense to decide everything. What could go wrong?
What is the difference -- -TO ME --- between you and Uncle Festus.
NOT A SPECK OF DIFFERENCE 🙂
The condescension in this post is oozing through my phone screen.
Tune your antenna to people who write about the great diversity of legal opinion and then assure you they have it right. Most humorous.
Wally the barfly attacking Brendan Carr. What's the odds that Wally has it totally right and Carr is in the dark.
If you can't give me first principles and a simple summation then this is just "you simple uneducated non-lawyers citizens just woudn't understand" I really hate that attitude.
Did you look at the unedited Kamala Harris interview.
CARR IS 1000% right and you are destroying Libertarian credibility.
Newsguard is no mere 'private company'. it received government funding to push its nonsense, via the DoD of all things.
What unhinged bullshit. Did the author just awaken from a two decade sleep?
"Carr's argument was premised on a mistaken understanding..."
Nothing 'mistaken' about it. It's a deliberate misrepresentation.