TikTok or Not, Americans Still Have a Right To Receive Communist Propaganda
A unanimous Supreme Court decision established as much in 1965.

Even as the Supreme Court upheld Congress' mandate that TikTok's Chinese owner sell the platform or shut it down, the First Amendment still guarantees the right to hear and receive information, not just to speak freely. While this principle has been obscured in the public discussion surrounding TikTok, the Supreme Court has long acknowledged it, even with respect to dubious content such as that produced and distributed by hostile foreign powers like China. The extremely narrow holding in TikTok v. Garland does not change it.
At the height of the Cold War in the 1960s, Congress was concerned about the Soviet Union and China spreading information with the intent to "indoctrinate, convert, induce, or in any other way influence" Americans about those countries' foreign policies or even foment domestic discord. Under a 1962 statute, the United States Post Office, then the dominant means of delivering and exchanging information, established 10 sorting facilities which evaluated incoming mail from abroad and detained any material deemed to be "communist political propaganda." An intended American recipient of "propaganda" would be sent a notice that his or her mail was being held at the Post Office and was required explicitly to request delivery, otherwise the mail would be destroyed.
An American publisher, Corliss Lamont, was mailed a copy of the Peking Review news magazine, the content of which one imagines hewed pretty closely to the desires of the Chinese Communist Party. Lamont did not respond to the notice that his mail was being detained and sued the government instead. The Supreme Court ultimately ruled in Lamont v. Postmaster General (1965) that intercepting mail and holding it for later release was unconstitutional because it imposed a burden on citizens to affirmatively request in writing that their mail actually be delivered. In so doing, Americans would be forced to reveal to the government their interest in information from China or Russia, whether based on scholarly interest, interest in global affairs, sheer curiosity, or even misguided ideological affinity: "This amounts, in our judgment, to an unconstitutional abridgment of the addressee's First Amendment rights", the Court wrote.
In a concurring opinion, Justice William Brennan explained that while "it is true that the First Amendment contains no specific guarantee of access to publications," the Bill of Rights also protects "fundamental personal rights necessary" to make its explicit language, such as the freedom of speech, "fully meaningful." The "right to receive publications is such a fundamental right," he wrote, and denying access to disfavored information, even from dubious or hostile sources, would undermine the very purpose of the First Amendment and "is a power denied to government."
In TikTok v. Garland oral arguments, the Lamont case featured prominently. The attorney representing TikTok users reminded the justices that the famed Archibald Cox, the solicitor general who represented the federal government in Lamont, didn't argue that Americans could be prevented from receiving Communist information—he only argued that the burden imposed on Americans by having to request mail delivery was not excessive. The Court in 1965 rejected this narrower rationale too.
There are urgent reasons we should be concerned about the efforts of foreign actors to exploit the openness of American society to spread propaganda (or "misinformation," to use the fashionable term). Moreover, the TikTok case exposed the extremely disturbing capabilities of its algorithm to collect information on and potentially do harm to Americans, now and in the future.
While he could scarcely imagine the technical capabilities and potential harms of TikTok's information gathering, Justice Brennan seemed to anticipate the nuanced challenge six decades ago: "In the area of First Amendment freedoms, government has the duty to confine itself to the least intrusive regulations which are adequate for the purpose….That the governments which originate this propaganda themselves have no equivalent guarantees only highlights the cherished values of our constitutional framework."
In our age, as in the 1960s, closed dictatorships such as China seal their citizens off from contact and information originating in the free world, and there is an understandable temptation to treat them reciprocally. The Chinese government and Chinese companies do not enjoy the benefits of free speech guaranteed by our Constitution. But American citizens still do, including the often forgotten right to hear and receive information, even from the most suspicious sources. In his seemingly reluctant and "admittedly tentative" concurring opinion in TikTok v. Garland, Justice Neil Gorsuch alluded to the principle and its history while acknowledging the unique technical and security challenges presented by TikTok: "Speaking with and in favor of a foreign adversary is one thing. Allowing a foreign adversary to spy on Americans is another."
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But American citizens still do, including the often forgotten right to hear and receive information, even from the most suspicious sources.
But only after it’s filtered through fact checkers.
Cuz then it's not mis/dis/cis/mal-information?
I just verified that TikTok still isn't available on the Google Play store. Is it still unavailable on Apple?
I suspect Oracle may be in a very precarious position right now, one where Apple and Googe fear to tread.
Is pardoning a corporation the final frontier of presidential pardons?
"TikTok or Not, Americans Still Have a Right To Receive Chinese Communist Propaganda"
They can read the New York Times like the rest of us. (or Sullum, ba-dum-tss)
Americans Still Have a Right To Receive Communist Propaganda
Whoa whoa whoa! Who was talking about propagandizing communism? [Looks around]
Communist propaganda?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4nk5mSz_2s
It isn't just the users. After TikTok v. Garland, The Chinese Communist Party still has the freedom to broadcast propaganda in the United States, too.
I don't believe Russia Today was banned. I think the entities that were broadcasting their show just decided to stop in response to a public outcry in the wake of Russia's attempt to take the rest of Ukraine.
TikTok v. Garland was so NOT about free speech, that even the Chinese Communist Party's freedom to say what they want on TikTok, or any other platform, was unaffected.
Reason refuses to read the actual ruling. It wasn't a free speech consideration.
Yeah, the whole issue with TikTok was spyware, not free speech, Shuchman.
This is just like when Reason tries to pretend legal immigration rather than illegal entry is what people have a problem with.
Volokh was really clear on that point. Some of these writers should start reading more over there.
One of the reasons the First Amendment isn't a suicide pact is because it doesn't give the Rosenbergs the right to communicate our nuclear weapons plans to the USSR.
Every time a libertarian claims that the First Amendment requires us to give the Chinese Communist Party a treasure trove of data to use against us in an upcoming conflict, it undermines our credibility.
Crying wolf is an excellent way to undermine public support for the First Amendment. I know they mean well when they do this, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I disagree. Spyware is just the pretext. The real reason is to suppress speech. Clue #1 is that dems supported the bill and Trump is opposed (for now at least). Trump is no slouch when it comes to China and national security. Dems are no slouches when it comes to suppressing speech.
Dave Smith speculated that it's due to the plethora of young peoples' anti-Israel sentiment on TikTok. That makes sense to me.
I have yet to see any evidence that TikTok takes any data that all other social media apps don't also store nor a good explanation of how the CCP could use that data in any way that endangers national security.
TikTok v. Garland wasn't just unanimous on the data collection. It was also unanimous on the point that the bill had nothing to do with free speech.
If you rob a bank with a gun, the Second Amendment doesn't even enter into it. If you rob a bank by passing a note to a teller, the First Amendment doesn't enter into it either. If you communicate our nuclear weapons plans to the USSR, the First Amendment doesn't come into that either.
The legitimate purpose of government is to protect our rights. Protecting our rights from foreign threats is a legitimate purpose of foreign policy, Congress, the Supreme Court, and the president. The First Amendment doesn't enter into whether TikTok has a right to transmit sensitive data that threatens our security to a foreign enemy that is preparing to go to war against us. The First Amendment doesn't even enter into it.
If Emperor Xi would rather TikTok go dark, that's not on the government of the United States. That's on the CCP. If TikTok would rather get nothing for its assets than defy Emperor Xi. That's on TikTok, too. Meanwhile, the CCP, Emperor Xi, TikTok, and TikTok's users have no infringement on their freedom to say what they want to say.
The legitimate purpose of government is to protect our rights. Protecting our rights from foreign threats is a legitimate purpose of foreign policy, Congress, the Supreme Court, and the president. The First Amendment doesn't enter into whether TikTok has a right to transmit sensitive data that threatens our security to a foreign enemy that is preparing to go to war against us. The First Amendment doesn't even enter into it.
Sure, that's why they used national security as a pretext to ban the app, same as the PATRIOT act.
They didn't ban the app. They said that TikTok had to stop sharing our data with the Chinese Communist Party. The Chinese Communist Party is unwilling to allow them to do that. TikTok decided they would rather go dark than defy the Chinese Communist Party. The security of the United States of America is not subject to the approval of the Chinese Communist Party. Any president that asks the Chinese Communist Party for permission to do what's in the best interests of [American security] should be immediately impeached.
P.S.
Q: Why doesn't TikTok just move its headquarters to the USA, leave China behind, and go public?
A: Because the Chinese Communist Party says "no".
They didn't ban the app. They said that TikTok had to stop sharing our data with the Chinese Communist Party.
"Banning the app" may be hyperbolic, but no more than "had to stop sharing." But I'm not concerned with Bytedance's rights, I'm concerned with US citizens rights.
Besides that gripe, everything you said here is true. And none of it overrides our right to put what we want on our own phone.
"Spyware is just the pretext"
Not for the court.
This is true.
You and Dave Smith are wrong
It is probable that the Chinese gain access to the whole device and other info (not proven, since we can’t see their coding), including location data, contacts, texts, and internet histories.
This is done for future blackmail or discreditation purposes
You and Dave Smith are wrong
That's possible.
not proven, since we can’t see their coding
I don't believe this. You're trying to tell me that a program on millions of phones can't be assess by the FBI, CIA or some other tech company? I'm not buying it.
Even if the underlying code isn't encrypted well enough to prevent that, coders use layers of obfuscation (along with public and private variables, classes, structs, etc) to prevent users, or others, to fully understand how everything works. Just because you can see some html on the end user side, or use the downloaded app, doesn't mean that you can see all of, or any of, the hidden stuff underneath.
You are telling me the fed intelligence folks can't figure out the code for a phone app? Besides just the code they have informants all over, including in the CCP and Bytedance. Nope, I don't buy that the feds don't know what the app is capable of.
AND, exactly what of importance to national security is on my phone anyway?
""the whole issue with TikTok was spyware,""
Sadly the issue isn't really spyware, but spyware from another country. I would like to see all spyware removed regardless of origin.
Yeah, I'd love for someone to explain why it's awful [for] the NSA to collect such data to use against us, and why it's okay to give even more data to the Chinese Communist Party in broad daylight.
P.S. Did you guys see the story about the Chinese Communist Party running a police station in New York City to harass dissidents here in the USA?
https://apnews.com/article/chinese-government-justice-department-new-york-police-transnational-repression-05624126f8e6cb00cf9ae3cb01767fa1
All of the spyware is awful. Some of the "spyware" is really just users purposefully, intentionally, and knowingly sharing everything about themselves, and/or failing to opt out of, or understand, different privacy settings and techniques.
If TikTok is only gathering data that users willingly provide, there's no real issue. But, what's unknown (at least publicly) is whether, and to what extent, other information is taken without consent, or what backdoors are built in for CCP (or NSA).
True enough. Facebook and Google are alphabet agency spyware since their creation. It's okay to spy if you pay My Private Company to do it.
That's what they were created for when the CIA first funded them through In-Q-Tel.
"Yeah, the whole issue with TikTok was spyware, not free speech, Shuchman..."
Shuchman replies: "Curses! Foiled again!"
I disagree that there wasn't a 1A aspect to the law but it appears our legislators handled correctly and scotus rightfully ruled on it. When it was first announced I was worried not about Free Speech but a Free Press, and that the law could be used later to create a licensing regime for who can own and operate a social media company.
The Chinese do not have an unlimited right to spy on us, you fvckin disingenuous idiot
This is a total horseshit article. The tiktok stuff is not about China AT ALL. It is about whether American yoots have freedom of press to others (meaning their peers) without being controlled by American mass media/advertisers.
Social media was a unique tech innovation of freedom of the press (interactive with elements of both speech and press) on the Internet. VC's long ago destroyed that freedom of press on the Internet by funneling money into ad-based spending models, basing stock prices on eyeballs, and thus killing all sustainable alternative models that might lead to real domestic competition. And in so doing turned the internet into shit and Silicon Valley into an agent/instrument of establishment stasis.
No surprise - the FIRST example of an alternative that doesn't need that model is the one that gets shut down. By a coordinated assault by the donor class on the Constitution. To ensure that the long-bought critters would, almost overnight, support and pass legislation that is an obscenity. And then get the whores on the Supreme Court to produce a bunch of flimflam as their supporting opinion.
The sad part is - no one seems to give a shit. Overnight - the US has gone from a reasonable free (if often retarded) country re those sorts of issues (what used to be called 'liberal') - to a country that no longer stands for anything. BRICS is now not just an alternative to what it objects to re American hegemony. It is the only successor to what used to be called 'liberal' - even though it doesn't believe in any of that because of how the US has undermined it over the decades.
No you stupid treasonous fuck. Americans no longer have ANY right to express any opinion about anything that goes against a media ownership that submits to whatever becomes defined as 'patriotic'. That is precisely the impact of the tiktok decision.
As unhinged here as on covid.
Was it because TikTok was your primary source of Jew hate?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;
because all such rules shall be made by private entities that Congress deems 'patriotic' and if Congress no longer deems them patriotic, then they shall be sold to someone who Congress deems patriotic.
I remember the first part is part of the 1A. You seem to believe the second part is.
So you're unhinged and fucking retarded.
The supreme court literally said there were no first amendment issues.
Try again jewfree
This would be a different discussion if TikTok were labeled Beijing News
"A unanimous Supreme Court decision established as much in 1965." a conclusion ratified by Jacobin and assorted other NPR must reads.
https://x.com/jacobin/status/1869072569384817114
Is that before or after all their personal information is ingested by the ccp?
What ?personal? information does TicTok have?
If it's so 'personal' what's it doing on the WWW?
"Allowing a foreign adversary to spy on Americans is another."
And the 'spying' evidence is where?
That would be a good start.....
Humorously I just don't see the association between banning one specific server as any sort-of effort to curb foreign 'spying' (say there was evidence). I'd imagine such measures would be more about internet security measures.
The case cited IS NOT analogous to banning Tiktok. I don't support the ban, or Tiktok, but the premise of this article is false based on the article's description of the case cited by the author.