Is Pavel Durov the Next Julian Assange?
The Telegram co-founder may become a free-expression martyr for the terrible crime of enabling permissionless speech.

The French arrest and detention of Telegram co-founder Pavel Durov on poorly specified charges related to failures of content moderation and compliance with law enforcement is an outrage—and a reminder that, at least on the surface, Europe and the United States have fundamentally different approaches to unregulated speech that go back centuries. Recall that John Milton's world-changing defense of an unlicensed press, Areopagitica, pointedly excluded Catholics while his former Cambridge classmate Roger Williams was living in what would become Rhode Island and defending "soul liberty" for all people, "paganish, Jewish, Turkish, or anti-Christian." Bringing charges against, say, Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk for failure to moderate content? Maybe. But actually putting them in jail, however momentarily, seems unthinkable.
But Durov's arrest should also serve as a reminder even to Americans who have yet to jettison governance models that seek to command and control speech. Governments and, in different and usually less effective and invasive ways, corporations and religions are still fighting a battle to control speech, freedom, and innovation despite no possible ultimate victory. If it's not the clear collusion and coercion exposed in the Twitter and Facebook files and the Backpage online advertising case, it's net neutrality and age verification to keep kids safe. Or attacking anonymous speech or false speech or Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act for letting too many people talk about too much stuff. Or it's about minimizing the reach of wholly invented categories of speech like misinformation and disinformation. When he first ran for president in 2016, Donald Trump wouldn't stop talking about how he wanted "to open up" our country's libel laws, the better to sue his critics. Tim Walz, the Democratic candidate for vice president and a former social studies teacher for crying out loud, wrongly believes that "there's no guarantee to free speech on misinformation or hate speech, and especially around our democracy."
Shutting down speech isn't a single thing pushed by a single person or group; it's a spectrum of many different sorts of actions ranging from the brutish to the barely noticed. To make it more confusing, champions of free speech often reinvent themselves as opponents to it, especially when it becomes something newly urgent or vital, like "election integrity" or "science." Sometimes, the entrepreneurs and innovators who helped enable more speech start to backtrack when it behooves them—or their shareholders—to start calling for regulations on the very technology they brought to market. (Hello, Mark Zuckerberg!)
In his 2013 book, The End of Power: From Boardrooms to Battlefields and Churches to States, Why Being In Charge Isn't What It Used to Be, Moisés Naím outlined the ways in which all different sorts of powerful institutions were surely, if slowly and incompletely, losing control. Naím argued that a world of more and more stuff and more and more literal and figurative mobility culminates in a "mentality" revolution in which even the wretched of the Earth demand participation: "The more contact we have with one another, the greater our aspirations," he wrote for Reason in the same year that brothers Pavel and Nikolai Durov launched Telegram. And yet, he cautioned, "By no means is big power dead. The big, established players are fighting back, and in many cases are still prevailing. Dictators, plutocrats, corporate behemoths, and the leaders of the great religions will continue to be the defining factors in the lives of billions of people, even as they slowly lose market share."
When it comes to speech, especially speech on the internet, Durov's arrest is merely the latest example. At the time of this writing, he is being held in custody by French authorities, an act troubling enough that French President Emmanuel Macron has taken to X to assert that his country "is deeply committed to freedom of expression and communication, to innovation, and to the spirit of entrepreneurship." Yet the arrest seems more like something the Chinese government would do (and has done, with journalists such as Jimmy Lai, the publisher of the pro-democracy Apple Daily, and with Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba).
A refugee from his native Russia, Durov fled to France, where he holds citizenship, after refusing to turn over user data for a social networking platform he built to the Putin regime. If he is truly such a flight risk that he must be held (Durov is also a citizen of the United Arab Emirates), it would behoove French authorities to share more than they currently are. Contra Macron's platitudes, France has seen its free-speech status slip over the past year, after it banned TikTok in New Caledonia and its Interior minister called for a ban on pro-Palestinian rallies after the October 7 attacks on Israel.
The distance from Julian Assange, who spent well over a decade in various forms of involuntary confinement after publishing government documents, to Durov is shorter than it might appear, and the trend always goes in one direction: The people who want to keep speech and information under lock and key go after the people who want to force transparency and hold space for more discussion. God help you if you create a way to share that information and discuss it without asking permission.
One of the great fears post-Gutenberg was the unlicensed press, a world in which all sorts of people could speak however they wanted, often with anonymity and always without permission. It's easy to see why that would freak out monarchies, governments, and the church. But the right to say what you want without asking permission was what Milton, within his limits, was arguing about, and it's still what we are arguing about.
Those of us who came of age during the first flush on internet freedom thought for a moment that we had finally kicked free of the rotting husk of the old physical world and launched ourselves into a final destination that would be perfectly free. "Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind," wrote John Perry Barlow in his 1996 document, "A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace." "You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather….We are creating a world where anyone, anywhere may express his or her beliefs, no matter how singular, without fear of being coerced into silence or conformity."
Durov's arrest shows how wrong that sort of thinking is, and probably always will be. The fight for free speech—and for freedom in general—will exist as long as humanity does.
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“The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.”
"Just hold on loosely, but don't let go
If you cling too tightly
You're gonna lose control"
Yes, France DOES need Section 230!!! WHEN will the right-wing wrong-nuts straighten OUT their stupid, drooling author-shit-arian minds and SEE that, and learn to LOVE and adore S-230, as is should be loved and adored?
Thank USA Government Almighty that once in a blue moon, it DOES have the wisdom to limit its own powers!!!
Europe already has multiple Communications Decency acts.
But they do NOT have an S-230!!! Twat does shit take before right-wing wrong-nuts will STOP opposing USA's S-230? Must they be punished for twat SOME ONE ELSE WROTE before they will understand?
Yet the arrest seems more like something the Chinese government would do (and has done, with journalists such as Jimmy Lai, the publisher of the pro-democracy Apple Daily, and with Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba).
It's a chin-scratcher, to be sure.
I think you’re slanting the issue with this quote, approaching yellow journalism. GET THE MSG?
Ah, no. Seems too oriented to me.
>>But Durov's arrest should also serve as a reminder even to Americans who have yet to jettison governance models that seek to command and control speech.
are the tornado warning systems in your area Nimby-quiet?
I don't get it. But are their prices Sofa King low?
can Robby spell milk toast?
Is that an available side for milksteak? Along with the finest jelly beans available, of course.
Time to treat this like the threat it is.
Advise France if they pursue this, NATO is over. The UN is over. Any semblance of a workable agreement between our countries is over due to us not wishing to deal with fascists.
Why would the fascists in charge do that?
the american deep state is behind this arrest, make no mistake.
This is the kind of shit commenters like me warned everyone about when Alex Jones got deplatformed. The left-liberals of the west believe the Constitution is "just a fucking piece of paper," and they don't want anything getting in the way of their historic determinism. Tolerating what happened to Jones based off of quaint Enlightenment notions of fairness won't be respected by these people unless it goes only in the direction of their own repressive tolerance.
And Pavel signaled this months ago when he talked with Tucker Carlson about the US government trying to strongarm him in to allowing them to use Telegram for their gayops. This arrest has as much legitimacy as anything else these people promote these days.
But words and ideas are dangerous!
THAT is why MANY right-thinking wrong-nuts "mute" me here, and then BRAG about shit! And ALSO why certain self-righteous assholes "refute" twat I write, by responding "unread"!
Don't forget, Kool Kids, the REAL Right and True Kool Kids do NOT read, or comment upon, the writings of the NOT-Kool-Kids!
Don't forget, Kool Kids, the REAL Right and True Kool Kids don’t stoop so low as to associate with the NOT-Kool-Kids! Else they might pollute our Sacred Tribal Minds with sarcastic thoughts like the below (I’m just WARNING you!):
Reason itself is un-Kool; They do NOT support The One True Right Way! So we should ban and gray-box the entire site! We should all go to One True Right Way sites like Truth Social, Alex-Jones-Land, and Parler! Or we should all go to One True Right Way nations like North Korea, Mainland China, Iran, Russia, Cuba, or Venezuela!
You aren’t dangerous, just tiresome.
But not wrong! If I was wrong, I'm sure that you'd point it out, and crow about it!
Refusing to read your diatribes isn't censorship. A poster muting you so that they don't have to see your psychotic ranting isn't censorship. Censorship is when someone prevents others from reading your trash posts.
Troglodyte peer pressure is a DIFFERENT thing than censorShit! I never said that I was being subjected to censorShit!
Also I am saying that the REAL Kool Kids do NOT drink the Kool Aid of authorShitarianism! The REAL Kool Kids support smaller Government Almighty and more individual freedom! And they do NOT refute what you say, by bragging about how they don't read what you say!
It's not like anyone is missing anything, since Dumbfuck HihnSQRLSo just posts the same boilerplate shitposts.
Which NEVER get refuted other than "refuted" by:
I didn't read it.
You are icky-poo and eat poop!
Your sources are from the WRONG TRIBE!!!
Facts don't matter; Only "Team R" FEELINGS matter!
The timing makes sense.
“There is no right to free speech”. Tim Walz
The feelers went out before the arrest and came back a strong GO. Democrats, private/public partnership media and a majority of Americans really don’t care about free speech and prefer to vote Barbie/Ken authoritarian fascism.
Then Walz won’t complain when he’s arrested for his Marxism in the future.
Bomb France!
Stop spending money and keeping troops to defend France and other NATO nations. They all, generally, have less freedom than the U.S. - speech restrictions, gun-control. Why are we spending even one cent defending speech-restricting and gun-control nations, nonetheless making military commitments to defend them? They're not worthy of us defending them.
Julian Assange exposed government corruptions and violations of human rights. Pavel Durov fostered and gave protection to buch of pedophiles who shared child sexual exploitation materials. It's embarrassing to compare the two. IMO, Pavel Durov's arrest is justified.
Maybe there was some of that, but what Telegram was really good for was fighting the government’s attempts to silence what they were calling misinformation and disinformation, but were really just alternative truths and views of reality. Were the COVID-19 vaccines safe and effective, or ineffective and dangerous. The government went out of its way to make sure that no one could question their narratives. And Telegram was one of the primary places where you could find out that the government was, indeed, trying to suppress speech contrary to its desired narratives.
Julian Assange posts as "uncommon wealth"?
Surely no one else could be this stupid.
I see things exactly opposite. Julian Assange was a target because of what he himself did. Durov, from what little we know, is a target because of what he allegedly allowed others to do. But we don't really know for sure, because France hasn't announced charges.
Pavel Durov fostered and gave protection to buch of pedophiles who shared child sexual exploitation materials.
There are plenty of ways to track down those people without arresting Durov or regulating Telegram. Just get warrants for IP addresses, packet sizes and timestamps of such materials from ISPs and trace down the origin. I’m sick and damned tired of hearing about pedophiles this or pedophiles that. I’m pretty certain that it’s all way overstated and exaggerated as an excuse to justify government internet control and censorship.
Is Pavel Durov the Next Julian Assange?
Did Pavel Durov collude with a traitor to obtain and disseminate stolen materials?
poorly specified charges related to failures of content moderation and compliance with law enforcement
No, apparently not. Well, then no Pavel Durov is not like Julian Assange. Julian Assange is a piss poor martyr for free speech.
Without knowing more details, Pavel Durov seems to be a victim of EU leftism. Let’s not talk about JA anymore, and instead just point out the freedom killing leftist rot that is the EU.
No, apparently not. Well, then no Pavel Durov is not like Julian Assange. Julian Assange is a piss poor martyr for free speech.
Assange is the prime example of what happens when your "truth telling" makes the commissars of the western left look bad, rather than their right-wing enemies. He's a piss poor martyr, but a reliable case study.
Whatever the issue is - it ain't about free speech. Russia is going ballistic about this and they ain't guardians of free speech. More probably espionage.
> The French arrest and detention of Telegram co-founder Pavel Durov on poorly specified charges related to failures of content moderation
This is why we NEED Section 230. This is what protects enabling free speech. But the Democrats want to erase it because it's freedom. And the Republicans want to erase it because it lets people criticize Trump. And even in these hallowed halls of Reason, posters have condemned it for allowing speech they don't like. BOAT SIDES!
Let's not be like France. Let's not be like the Old World where your life and soul belonged to the state.
And the Republicans want to erase it because it lets people criticize Trump.
No. Democrats condemn 230 for allowing speech they don't like. Republicans want to hold Democrats and their sycophants to task for their abject censorship of completely true statements that they just don't like.
Brandybuck nails it again! Keep on fighting the good fight (S-230 etc.), Brandybuck!!!
The West is not "FREE" like they like to claim. We are "FREE" as long ans we "CHOOSE" that they want us to "CHOOSE". We are "FREE" to say anything we want as long as we say what what they "ALLOW" us to say.
Really, it's not much different from other places on the planet, except we have the "ILLUSION of FREEDOM", but not actual freedom.