Party of COVID-19 Authoritarianism Improbably Rebrands as 'Party of Freedom'
Democrats campaigning both on their pandemic record and minding your own damn business: Pick one.

For a while there last night, it looked like variations on the word joy had a puncher's chance of outnumbering references to freedom at the relentlessly message-disciplined day three of the Democratic National Convention.
When onetime party rising star Sen. Cory Booker (D–N.J.) informed us about one-third of the way through that "tonight is about joy" and "achieving the impossible that should bring us joy," and that "our nominees, Kamala Harris and Tim Walz, they bring the joy," the (unofficial) joy vs. freedom count stood at a respectable 21–32.
But then Pennsylvania governor, veep pick runner-up, and professional Barack Obama impersonator Josh Shapiro ladled out the freedom thicker than a 1980s direct response television commercial.
"We are the party of real freedom," Shapiro (or as former President Donald Trump calls him, "the highly overrated Jewish Governor") assured Democrats. "That's right, the kind of real freedom that comes when that child has a great public school with an awesome teacher, because we believe in her future. Real freedom, real freedom that comes when we invest in the police and in the community so that child can walk to and from school and get home safely to her mama. Real freedom, real freedom that comes when she can join a union, marry who she loves, start a family on her own terms, breathe clean air, drink pure water, worship how she wants, and live a life of purpose where she is respected for who she is. Real freedom. Real freedom comes when she can look at madam president and know that this is a nation where anything and everything is possible. That is real freedom, and that is what we are fighting for."
By the time Pastor (and Chicago Alderman) William Hall in his benediction prayed that "God, we are ready to fight for freedoms," the Democrats' new favorite F-word had won the contest in a rout, 94–35.
One of the reasons Shapiro had made for an attractive vice presidential selection over last night's featured speaker Tim Walz was that, unlike the Minnesota governor, he was not in office during the critical, life-and-death pandemic policy-making era of 2020–2022. Thus making all his freedom talk less deserving of a laugh track. Or vuvuzela.
Walz during his 18-minute speech wisely did not bring up his controversial record on COVID-19: the school closures, the indoor (and some outdoor) mask mandates, the unsupported-by-science outdoor dining bans, the jailing of defiantly open bar owners, the state of emergency that lasted 474 days, the misspent relief funds, the state tipline for ratting out Minnesotans for gathering in overly large numbers by a lake.
"You never learn anything about anybody when times are easy," Maryland Gov. Wes Moore declared last night. "You learn everything you need to know about somebody when times are hard and when the temperature gets turned up."
Judging by Moore's standard, we have learned that Walz will drop that "freedom" pose like a lump of burning coal when the going gets rough. In November 2020, months after Republican governors such as Florida's Ron DeSantis had lifted most restrictions and opened up all K-12 schools, Walz took what even the restriction-friendly New York Times characterized as "the extraordinary step of banning people from different households from meeting indoors or outdoors, even though evidence has consistently shown the outdoors to be relatively safe."
"This prohibition includes indoor and outdoor gatherings, planned and spontaneous gatherings, and public and private gatherings," Walz declared at the time, applying the order to groups of any size, "even if social distancing can be maintained."
With that dystopian record on your resume, it takes a Lake Minnetonka–sized reservoir of shamelessness to proclaim, as Walz did last night, that "when we Democrats talk about freedom, we mean the freedom to make a better life for yourself and the people that you love, freedom to make your own health care decisions…[and] freedom to live the life that you want to lead."
Making your own health care decision to gather outdoors with the people you love is a freedom as fundamental as it gets. And Walz criminalized it.
When not staying mum about those bad old days, Democrats this week have gone on offense, campaigning brazenly about the virtues of their COVID-19 record.
President Joe Biden, Bill Clinton claimed omnipotently last night, "healed our sick and put the rest of us back to work." On opening night, Rep. Lauren Underwood (D–Ill.) asserted simply that "Donald Trump failed us, but Joe Biden and Kamala Harris got it under control." (Trump certainly behaved erratically, especially in the information-starved first three months of the pandemic, but he did kickstart Operation Warp Speed, which produced vaccines much faster than Biden thought possible.)
"Thanks to Joe Biden and Kamala Harris," Rep. James Clyburn (D–S.C.) said Monday, in a formulation repeated by many, "we reopened our schools, brought back our businesses, and restored our faith in the American can-do spirit."
This is risible revisionism. Schools in Republican-governed states were largely open by the time Biden took office; schools in Democratic polities (particularly big city districts dominated by teachers unions) were largely closed. Biden's contribution to the reopening process was to slow it down, by inviting union "stakeholders" to unscientifically influence the ballyhooed new pandemic school guidelines unveiled by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) in February 2021, sentencing CDC-compliant schools to still more academically/socially disastrous remote learning.
That guidance, after howls of protests by actual scientists, was revised five weeks later, coincidentally just days after public schools received a generational jolt of $122 billion from a federal government that typically spends around $40 billion a year on K-12 education. Yet those Democrat-dominated school districts still kept dragging their feet.
As I pointed out when Democrats were launching another round of school-opening revisionism one year ago:
You can understand why Joe Biden wants to falsely portray himself as a champion of reopening, just as you can see why—of all people—so does Randi Weingarten: Extended school closures, long after the survey data and global experience argued convincingly against them, constituted one of the most egregious public policy failures in modern American history, the aftereffects of which are still massively reshaping American kids, families, education systems, and cities. They are deservedly unpopular, with few people beyond opinion-journalism trolls still attempting to defend them.
What Biden delivered was not school reopening but a gargantuan transfer of federal tax money to local school districts right as their customer base was running away screaming, especially in cities and states that closed schools most.
Don't believe the cranky libertarians? Let's consult The New York Times. This March, 16 months after Walz snapped at a reporter who dared question Minnesotans' learning loss under his watch, the paper of record published a brutal analysis.
"Today, there is broad acknowledgment among many public health and education experts that extended school closures did not significantly stop the spread of Covid, while the academic harms for children have been large and long-lasting," the Times reported. "As experts plan for the next public health emergency, whatever it may be, a growing body of research shows that pandemic school closures came at a steep cost to students."
A presidential campaign, as Clinton put it last night, is an extended job interview. Who has the judgment and temperament to keep a cool hand on the reins of power during the next emergency? Democrats, and Walz in particular, demonstrated during COVID-19 that not only do they lack sound public health judgment, but that when the chips are down they will sacrifice precisely the fundamental American virtue they have branded themselves as defending this week: your freedom.
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"Jabs for jobs"
Harvey Weinstein approves.
is Amy Adams on that list?
I think in 2021 she came around in support of jabs for jobs, but I'm not sure. Most celebrities were 100% for the jabs by that point.
As far as I've heard, the current (post-strike) SAG contract still requires that any Union performer has to be "fully boosted" for Covid-19 to be allowed to audition for any studio/streamer production; as a "Closed shop" industry, non-union performers aren't allowed regardless of their vax status.
I'm not sure if there's any vaccination requirement for any other virus or strain (Measles, Whooping Cough, Tetanus, Mumps, Chickenpox, HPV, etc)
A great many people define "freedom" as not having to worry about things.
They want the government to make the decisions. All they want is to live alone in a 1 bedroom apartment with internet connection while working a minimum wage job. Preferably one that doesn't involve peeing in a bottle and being yelled at by their supervisors.
Ironically, these lazy, stupid, asshole supervisors are the same pool of Democratic voters that is supposed to deliver this Brave New World.
Freedom from responsibility, like children.
Wouldnt it be great if just one journlaist asked these dems about all the other freedoms? Economic freedom, freedom of speech, freedom to defend yourself, freedom of association, etc. But if dems didnt have double standards, they wouldnt have any at all.
Some do. Others take it as positive liberty, i.e. feasible options, no matter who pays for them. Like the campaign that showed how the freedom of an imaginary character was increased by Democrats if they got her health care, education, and child care subsidized so she could take time to explore a career as an artist or whatever.
They seem to want freedom from reality, to have someone else stand between them and nature "red in tooth and claw" relieving them of the burden of dealing with the world.
The only freedom that interests them is the freedom to kill a fetus crying "my body, my choice". But if you demand the right to refuse COVID vaccines, suddenly it's "your body, our choice".
C'mon, Matt, masks weren't mere talismans...
Masks were BlueAnon MAGA hats.
Are BlueAnon NAZI armbands.
I saw a guy with a red "MAGA" mask once during late 2020. Took me half a day to realize just how subversive that thing actually was.
I wore masks so that nobody would think I was a Republican.
The tits and beard combo should have enough.
I knew masks were a joke when I figured out I could get away with wearing one on my chin, and not get bothered about it.
I found a company selling "masks" that looked real but were made of a very sheer fabric that was easy to breath through. Got me through my work shifts.
https://fakemaskworldwide.com/
What you are doing is completely unconstitutional!
Oh yeah? Mind your own business!
“As experts plan for the next public health emergency, whatever it may be,<
One of the scariest things I’ve read in a long time. It has everything:
Experts
Plan
Emergency
Whatever
Notice how they're not planning the response but the emergency itself.
Talk about articles that don't exist. Man. This one occupies negative space.
Any nibbles?
Only when you go fishing without pants and the fish mistake your little peepee for a worm.
Somebody bookmark this one.
It's a joke, obviously. He's Canadian. If he went fishing without pants his little peepee would freeze and fall off.
You’re not good at this. Maybe quit commenting here and stick to getting blackout drunk.
Don't worry sarcjeff, jeffsarc will be along to fellate you shortly.
chemjeff seems to be on a sabbatical recently. Sarcasmic is missing his positive affirmations.
Maybe one of the neighborhood fathers found out about him.
It's easy these days to find neighborhoods without fathers. Maybe Jeffy could convince his mom to move.
Sarc only talks about ideas, not people.
Denies he does this in roundup. Has done it in almost every thread today.
Will also deny he was here pushing the government lies surrounding covid with Jeff and jfree for years.
Yesterday he wrote out a story about eating mushrooms from the yard and shitting himself. He is clearly drunk again today. I am assuming that you have to be drunk to type "little peepee" thinking that it is funny and not creepy as all get out to use a description associated with little boys.
Awe, poor, poor, sarc.
>>This is risible revisionism.
can't hit violent marxists with softee words and expect results.
This is how you talk about Kamala Harris and the "Shakespearean" DNC coup against J Biden.
J.F.C.
Party of COVID-19 Authoritarianism Improbably Rebrands as 'Party of Freedom'
Democrats campaigning both on their pandemic record and minding your own damn business: Pick one.
Matt "Red Wedding" Welch
I'm almost surprised it wasn't Matt that tried to assassinate Trump. Maybe next time.
For those unfamiliar with the reference:
https://x.com/mattwelch/status/1102654202545913857?s=12
And I STILL can't fathom how this dude continues to be employed as a journalist.
He knew better than to try that in real America.
Have you heard the rest of the journolists? Or read what they write? Hell, Welch isn't even the worst at Reason let alone journalists at large.
Watching Democrats take a victory lap on Covid is like watching Stalin brag about providing more food to the hungry through the murder of millions.
And The NY Times applauds both.
This is weak. Covid was a once-in-a-lifetime crisis which no one knew how to handle. It hit that sweetspot where it was deadly enough to call for massive action but not so deadly that it allowed for people to complain about any measures that were taken. If you were old or had a comprimised immune system you probably felt free to live because of these measures. Healthy, young people felt otherwise. Scientits debated and still cannot agree on what happened.
The right is just mad because the left has stolen their freedom slogan. It was inevitable though. The right wants to lock everyone up on drug charges. Lock you up for making reproductive choices. Prevent people from living out their LGBTQ identities and so on. The right now regularly calls the US a failed state full of carnage. It was not too long ago that the right was mad that Obama attended a church where a guy yelled about America being damned.
Hypocrisy and irony is a two-way street. But seriously Welch, this piece was weak. I know you had a deadline to meet, but you can do better.
The retarded "But we didn't know! The facts have changed!" excuse for COVID fascism. That nonsense won't play in this room.
"We did not know" is a reason to back off the hubris at the time, not an excuse to absolve themselves of the responsibility for embracing it.
AMNESTY!
And let's be clear that this is Primary Evidence A1 of why the Left could never, ever, EVER be the party of Freedom. They will let you do your thing right up until some Expert with a scientific study tells them it is Bad. Then they will lock you in your house for two weeks...er...months...er years.
This is Authoritarianism. And the fact that some Authorities are willing to give some slack on your leash when the times are right doesn't change the fact that they hold those chains and will yank them whenever they think it prudent, freedom be damned.
No shit.
And, the whole "we didn't know" thing only holds true for the very beginning of the pandemic. It became political almost immediately, but then the "pro freedom" left not only refused to ease the restrictions when the data changed, they doubled down.
Biden was pushing vaccine mandates long after the CDC "experts" admitted the vaccines didn't prevent transmission, for one example. For another, as late as May 2022 I still couldn't go to a concert without masks and showing a vaccine card to get in the door. A year after vaccines were available, everyone got them and had covid once or twice as well.
I could continue, but the point is that they never, ever, wanted to let go of the power they got from this, and continued ridiculous, anti-social restrictions long after they had adequate time to learn the real truth. The temptation is just too great, they'll happily do it again of they think they can get away with it.
It was worse than that. Some facts, like the ineffectiveness of public masking and the lack of a threat to or from children and young people, WERE known to science when the bullshit started.
They knew almost immediately that it primarily only effected old sick people because of the cruise ship.
The knew from the first cases in a Kirkland WA home for the elderly. A young nurse was exposed to the virus and the only people who died were the residents of the home. The doctor knew something was wrong and wanted to develop a method for identifying the virus. The CDC threatened her if she tried to develop a test.
The CDC also threatened medical labs that wanted to develop a test for COVID. "Wait for the CDC test" they said. When the CDC's test was released, if was contaminated and was useless.
They knew from the beginning. Previous plans for dealing with the outbreak of a virus never advocated shutting down the economy. It was always "protect the vulnerable and let everyone else make their own choices about whether to work or stay home."
It was unscientific nonsense from the beginning.
When those plans were developed, they did not anticipate having a president they system wanted to get rid of, so they had to be changed.
"The right wants to lock everyone up on drug charges."
Who knew that Biden and Harris are on the right?
And inconvenient freedom-hating clumps of cells? And people constraining the freedom of some tranny freak to strip for children?
Fuck off.
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
FOAD, asshole.
Everything we were told was an outright lie and fabrication and you're a complete stooge to have believed any of it. Social distancing- totally made up, six foot space pulled out of Fauci's ass hole. Lockdowns didn't work, they damaged the economy, masks didn't work, they made it worse. The vaxx didn't work....it is a bio weapon.
The elderly were sent into homes and hospitals where they were ruthlessly exterminated.
Only retarded morons believe what they've been told by Fraudci and other government liars.
Hey, retarded morons resent being grouped with this steaming pile of shit.
The elderly were...ruthlessly exterminated.
But think of all the money Social Security saved.
There is nothing weak about this. Across the country and the world we saw stark differences in how leaders treated this “once-in-a-lifetime crisis which no one knew how to handle”. And it is clear that those who understood the principles of freedom were able to handle it in a way that, you know, helped with freedom.
On the one hand, you had countries like Sweden where freedom was the primary concern. On other you had countries like China where they were welding people into their apartment buildings "for our own good". It is painfully obvious that GOP leaders tended towards the former, and Democrat leaders chose shooting people with paintballs for sitting on their fucking porches.
You are just bad because the Right won’t let you airbrush this despicable, Salem Witch Era-esque mass hysteria perpetrated by the left. You want to claim “everyone was scared” when in fact half the country was begging you to get some semblance of perspective and stop with the Orwellian nonsense.
There are plenty of problems with the Right. But fuck, man. The left needs to own their malfeasance during the Lockdown Era because they were draconian as shit, and should be rightly pilloried for it. The fact that Biden and Harris aren’t going to lose this election solely for their support of Pax Mandates is a sad commentary on the media and our society’s short memory span.
On the one hand, you had countries like Sweden where freedom was the primary concern.
The VIRUS was the primary concern in Sweden. They created a public health response to deal with a virus. You are completely unaware of everything that occurred in Sweden except – they didn’t close the elementary schools in spring 2020. They closed colleges and high schools then – but not elementary schools. That was done for serious reasons – not some ideological Bjornheart yelling Frihet.
And BTW - one reason the Chinese went extremely massive in late January is because they did nothing for the two months or so before that.
The virus creates facts on the ground and changes the nature of the problem/decision.
JFear likes nothing more than to tell everyone how smart he is. It often just confirms that he is an idiot blowhard who is just smart enough to think that his first thoughts must be the most important point.
I know all about Sweden, and since I have argued this point with JFear, I know that he has read a few articles that cherrypicked data to confirm his biases. The one thing we agree on is that Sweden actually paid attention to the data. We also know for a fact- because of contemporaneous writing from officials- that they were agonizing over whether or not they had the power to make the changes they did.
You can see how evidence free his pronouncements are here:
https://reason.com/2023/05/03/surgeon-general-vivek-murthy-refuses-to-acknowledge-the-governments-misrepresentation-of-mask-research/?comments=true#comment-10048977
TL;DR, he is completely uncredible when it comes to COVID.
You know all about Sweden but you can't say anything more than that. Right
He has said everything he needed to tell you. Your posts are incredible, as in they have no credibility.
It hit that sweetspot where it was deadly enough to call for massive action
More accurately imo - it was deadly enough for people to understand what the virus was so that whatever actions we take be based on knowledge rather than ignorance. THAT was the main problem commenters here had.
Any notion that the virus was anything more significant than the seasonal flu which currently exists raises discussion about 'what do we do'. That DISCUSSION was the objection here. It might convince people that action is needed. Therefore those facts must be denied and the virus is 'just the flu'. Anyone who even talks about the SARSCOV2 virus being more significant than the flu is a socialist calling for 'massive action'..
In truth, there were a range of actions very early on. The Chinese went massive early on. The Italians also. The South Koreans not. The Swedes chose actions that are painted as 'do nothing' by the assclown commentariat here - but the Swedes in fact did understand the virus and did take actions that are simply lied about or ignored by commenters here.
A libertarian discussion re - what is the appropriate response re a deadly virus - meaning a response where 'dead people' are part of the costs and benefits of said action could have happened. There is NOT ONE 'libertarian' that I am aware of - certainly none here - that accepted the challenge of that. Certainly none who played devils advocate - if do nothing is ok for SARSCOV2, what about ebola or plague?
The people here chose to be irrelevant and sink into the usual nonsense that renders them irrelevant in future.
I hope you die gasping for air, you lying sack of shit.
And look at the difference in language between JFree and the ChatJFree 2.0 posting the last 2 days. ChatJFree 2.0 is an unintelligible word salad, where JFree is just blatant lies like a turd in a hot dog bun.
"by the assclown commentariat here."
This is you now buddy, see you tomorrow.
There is a huge difference between Covid and Ebola or Plague. Can you guess what it is Jslave?
Dead people? Are you saying there’s a difference in the number of dead people?
So why are you not interested in the 1.45 million excess deaths during 2020/2021? Do real excess dead people not count and only hypothetical dead people count? Or is it that only hypothetical pandemics count and real ones don’t?
Or are libertarians just nihilists. 1.5 million doesn’t matter but 2 million does? What’s the magic number where libertarians decide to be relevant and non-nihilist. Where they (unlike you and your just the flu crowd) can bring themselves to mention DEAD PEOPLE as part of what's at stake?
Many of those "excess deaths" were a result of the reaction to Covid, not Covid.
Doctors shutting down offices, no cancer screenings, suicides and drug overdoses.
Liberty matters always. You are free to hide under your bed from the a chest cold. You are not free to demand your neighbor shutter his business. It's not R vs D. Greg Abbott was a Covid tyrant too. It's about a freedom versus lust for power and control or support for the same. You fall in the evil camp.
This is weak. Covid was a once-in-a-lifetime crisis which no one knew how to handle.
What a crock of shit. The Chinese and the Democrats knew how to handle it to their great advantage. 1) If you are in China, make sure it gets out and infects the rest of the world. 2) If you are not in China where you can lock up your population without asking, then make sure it kills a bunch of old people really fast so that all the people who it will have no effect on will freak out and allow you to lock them up. 3) Refuse to rescind your emergency orders until armed uprising occurs.
Do you prefer the taste of authoritarian dick before or after you've been bottomed?
I am now dumber for having read that.
You are weak, yes. We already knew this.
That is because they are the "freedom from" Party: freedom from personal responsibility, freedom from the birden of choice. Not the "freedom of" party. Get positive rights in exchange for your negative rights. Be a child in the arms of Smothering Mommy government.
Resistance is futile! Also deplorable and MAGA.
Fvck You Welch.
If people made the same remarks that Rob Reiner, those of the View and other left wing media hacks made about Trump, made concerning Tampon Tim, how soon before the FBLIE, Secret Disservice and DHS would be smashing the door in at 5:00AM with CNN in tow?
Harris and Walz must be prevented from getting anywhere near the White House.
If they do so, then expect we have maybe six months or sooner before the collapse.
The possibility of all out civil war grows.
“Harris and Walz must be prevented from getting anywhere near the White House.”
I have bad news John. She’s already in it as second in command. Which makes her entire campaign of “I’m going to change shit!” ring entirely hollow.
If they succeed in offing or imprisoning Trump, the civil war could start any day.
Fvck You Welch. Fvck yourself strategically if not reluctantly. And hopefully everyone you know gets massacred as well
"Party of COVID-19 Authoritarianism Improbably Rebrands as 'Party of Freedom'."
Why does this remind me of George Orwell's magnum opus, "1984?"
“Party of COVID-19 Authoritarianism Improbably Rebrands as ‘Party of Freedom'”
Pretty shitty decision from the group of people that would mockingly shout “Muh FreeDUMBS” at people trying to resist government overreach during covid. What a bunch of absolute snakes.
Masks and vaccines were politicized with the result the Covid death toll of Republicans soared over that of Democrats who were getting vaccinated and wearing masks.
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." John Kenneth Galbraith.
"The contemporary right has one central principle: rejecting any responsibility for others in the hollow name of freedom" Rebecca Solnit
https://politicsofthelastage.blogspot.com/2022/12/update-on-covid19-mask-and-vaccine.html
Kinda cute that the blue areas of red states were the locales that drove up the death numbers.
That bullshit is common. There are not "blue states" and "red states". The division is at the local and county level—even at the neighborhood level.
Before the vaccine, there was very little party registration difference among covid deaths (adjusted for age).
After the vaccine, the excess death rate became very partisan in two slightly reddish/purple states (Ohio and Florida). The excess death rate among R's (registered R voters who died) was 40% higher than among D's (again registered voters). With the highest death rates in counties with the lowest vaccine uptake. And while the highest death totals remained elderly, the highest relative death rate increase was among 40-65 year old men. Presumably old enough to be fat with chronic conditions - but young enough to believe they were invincible in a county with politicized ideas about the vax/covid and maybe generally fat as the 'norm'.
Probably not enough people died to change the margins in battleground states. But it will be interesting to see the results. It ain't the same voters in 2024 compared to pre-vax 2020. And not only are R's usually a bit older anyway - they also died more of covid.
But of course, being dead is no obstacle to voting.
Ds only let dead Ds vote. Who's going to let the dead Rs vote? Is that why MAGAMises took over LP?
I mean, that's literally what the Dems have done. Let their own dead vote for them, no? Are you telling me that the Republicans and "MAGAMises" have principles? You don't say...
Arizona has a Democratic Attorney General today because too many Republicans listened to the COVID Disinformationists including Party leaders -- and died as a result. Killing off your voters is bad campaign strategy.
You're actually quite mistaken:
https://www.aei.org/op-eds/lockdowns-didnt-work-another-study-concludes/
The Arizona Republicans weren't wrong.
Improperly, but for the seismic shift of activity, improbability looks amply like a winner
Truly don’t care about the lockdowns at this point. Not doing the Trump Show again!
You don’t get a choice, creep.
Of course not, the lockdown was a blue Gov driven thing so enjoy the authoritarian leftist boot on your neck for the rest of your commie life.
lol, this must have been linked on Facebook or Reddit. Lots of driveby leftist shitheals.
Holy f*ck, Harris out commies the CCP with new confiscatory taxation plan:
https://www.atr.org/5-trillion-list-of-tax-hikes-kamala-harris-just-endorsed/
Amy Acton, the Eva Braun of COVID fascism to Mike Dewine's Hitler, has announced she is considering running for governor of Ohio.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/dr-amy-acton-who-helped-lead-ohio-s-early-pandemic-response-is-weighing-2026-run-for-governor/ar-AA1p8tSb
Twat resigned her post in the middle of the pandemic too.
#leadership
Checks party history…
What do you mean Democrats are the party of minding your own business.
It was REPUBLICANS who wrote RvW.
I swear Democrats are the biggest liars, manipulators, BS’ers, schemers, stealers, scammers — the list goes on and on. The worst kind of people on the planet. But hey; at least they’ll smile and act politically correct while breaking the law (supreme law) and F’ing you up the *ss.
A group at Oxford created a stringency index for covid response for different countries from jan2020 to dec2022. Comparing things like school closures, work/travel bans, etc. Not a huge surprise imo - Sweden was a bit less less 'stringent' in the first wave and tailed off more quickly once the vax was fully available. The US really didn't reduce its response quickly. Overall however it's clear there was no 'libertarian' or 'do nothing' response anywhere (outside Somalia of course).
It would be interesting (but not at this site) to try to figure out why the US delayed rolling things back more than most countries.
Stringency index for US, Germany, China, Sweden, Somalia You can also pick your own and do a timelapse.
https://www.aei.org/op-eds/lockdowns-didnt-work-another-study-concludes/
Sweden was vindicated. You are being dishonest.
"That's right, the kind of real freedom that comes when that child has a great public school with an awesome teacher"
...now stop right there...
The government has imposed authoritarian public health measures since at least 1793. Geroge Washington was President. John Adams was Vice President. Thomas Jefferson was Secretary of State. Alexander Hamilton was Secretary of the Treasury. John Jay was Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. So there you have five of the most important Founding Fathers all in agreement. Saving lives is a legitimate government function. Without the coercive measures millions more would have died in the COVID pandemic.
If you don’t like coercive public health measures you are in the wrong country. You should consider emigrating to Somalia.
I assume you’re referring to the yellow fever epidemic in Philadelphia.
May want to see what Hamilton’s initial response was and compare it to what Trump’s initial response was chief.
There's no reason to believe you are credible. And cryptic doesn't improve credibility.
Sick burn bro (I mean, Charlie was cryptic as fuck too, but weirdly, you didn’t feel the need to call him out, but whatevs.)
“As yellow fever consumed Philadelphia, politicians debated the disease’s origins, its treatment, and preventative measures. Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton, a prominent Federalist, believed that newly arrived, white, French refugees fleeing the revolution in Santo Domingo (now Haiti) were the source of the disease. Hamilton and other Federalists favored actions like closing the ports and restricting immigration to stem the epidemic.”
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/politicsofyellowfever/index.html
Well every country had travel restrictions of one sort or another. The big problem with the US was that the agency charged with restricting migration at the entry points (the CDC through DHS) was mind-blowingly incompetent at that. No quarantine, no testing, no tracing of contacts, no information provided to travelers, nothing.
Commenters here thought that was ok since it fits with do nothing. But in the real world what it means is Prez ain’t holding agencies accountable.
Yet the restrictions had nothing to do with yellow fever until that point. Why did you leave that out?
You also left out that had the U.S. fully been competent at their restrictions, they wouldn't need to worry about "quarantine, testing, tracing of contacts, information provided to travelers", etc., since they wouldn't be dealing with such migrants in the first place.
And no, Trump shouldn't be held accountable just because someone else didn't do his job correctly. You have your principles mixed up.
"Initially, the USPHS’s primary task was quarantining persons on ships. Quarantine separates and restricts the movement of people who were exposed to a contagious disease to see if they become sick. The word itself means “forty days,” which was the length of time quarantine lasted at first, but soon changed to twenty-one days. Quarantine was critical before antibiotics were developed and remains critical today for the prevention of certain diseases that have no treatments."
Typical Leftard, "Border Control = Public Health".
Also ignores that you quarantine sick people and people they’ve directly exposed (like shipmates). You don’t quarantine completely healthy people.
No. Everyone on every ship was quarantined preemptively. The quarantine time back then was for observation not waiting until symptoms break out.
Yes, I know they would quarantine the entire ship. Because the chances of everyone on the ship being exposed to an outbreak was damn near 100%.
What they didn’t do, which was my point, was mandate lockdowns and quarantines of the entire city or state.
They quarantined all ships not just those with someone exposed to yellow fever
And they did in fact also block travel from state to state. Which is technically called a cordon sanitaire.
You people didn't even oppose lockdowns specifically. Many of you live in the worst states and you just want to play victim. You opposed any and all discussion of the virus. It was all fake news.
Self-Projection. As-if your political-pal at the beginning of this thread wasn't pushing acceptance for the exact BS your deflecting on everyone else.
The USPHS – now headed by the Surgeon General – was CREATED because of that yellow fever epidemic. It was not the USPHS then, it was the Marine Hospital Service. It became named the USPHS in 1889. The purpose was not border control. It was public health and medical treatment for the merchant marines. The constitutional rationale for setting up that medical treatment for sailors was military – which is why the Surgeon General and USPHS is part of the uniformed service. It was Americans mostly who were quarantined. Quarantine was not restricting the movement of the sick. It was restricting the movement of everyone who enters a port (from domestic or foreign) preemptively – to see how the disease would either develop or not so the person could be released from quarantine.
When I proposed mustering the militia (one of the three measures I actually advocated re covid), everyone thought this was ludicrous. It is EXACTLY how we dealt with those issues. And it is EXACTLY how we can deal with emergency public health issues without creating a professional cadre of careerist eat your vegetables bureaucrats.
Or maybe the US Constitution grants more "Union of States" powers on the "Stateless" - "high seas" than it did on land because they aren't "stateless".
Typical leftard making up any BS they can to sell their [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism].
"Without the coercive measures millions more would have died in the COVID pandemic."
There is no evidence of this. In fact most of the evidence points in the opposite direction.
The real issue is....
'Evidence' is no excuse to destroy the USA (defined in the US Constitution).
Case in point:
https://www.aei.org/op-eds/lockdowns-didnt-work-another-study-concludes/
There’s nothing “improbable” about it. It’s just typical commie inversion of reality via language. Equity means discrimination. Diversity means conformity. Inclusion means exclusion. Justice means lawlessness and legal inequality. Democracy means rule by party oligarchs. What else would Freedom mean? They’re communists doing communism. Just accept that fact and a lot of things start making sense.
^THIS.
The party of [WE] mob 'democracy' RULES completely.
Harris: Lock Ups
Walz: Lock Downs
Harris/Walz: We're the party of Freedom
I do not know if I could ever vote for Trump, but I am sure that only one party tried to fire me because of my vaccination status. Therefore, they will never get my vote. In response to this idea of freedom, specifically women's health, Rep Massie tweeted recently "Please quit repeating this lie. Biden forced millions of women to take an experimental shot as a condition of employment."