Kamala Harris' 'Price Gouging' Ban: A New Idea That Has Failed for Thousands of Years
A half-baked idea that is just as dubious as Donald Trump's tariffs.

In her first economic policy speech as the 2024 Democratic presidential nominee, Kamala Harris rightly criticized Donald Trump for favoring steep tariffs, saying her Republican opponent "wants to impose what is, in effect, a national sales tax on everyday products and basic necessities that we import from other countries." But in the same speech, Harris pitched a half-baked idea that is just as economically dubious, promising to crack down on "price gouging" by the grocery industry.
That proposal is so misguided that it provoked undisguised skepticism from mainstream news outlets such as CNN, the Associated Press, The New York Times, and The Washington Post, along with criticism by Democratic economists. It showed that Harris joins Trump in pushing populist prescriptions that would hurt consumers in the name of sticking it to supposed economic villains.
"If your opponent claims you're a 'communist,'" Post columnist Catherine Rampell suggested, "maybe don't start with an economic agenda that can (accurately) be labeled as federal price controls." Harvard economist Jason Furman, who chaired President Barack Obama's Council of Economic Advisers, was equally scathing.
"This is not sensible policy, and I think the biggest hope is that it ends up being a lot of rhetoric and no reality," Furman told the Times. "There's no upside here, and there is some downside."
That downside stems from any attempt to override market signals by dictating prices. High prices allocate goods to consumers who derive the greatest value from them, encourage producers to expand supply, and spur competition that helps bring prices down.
Without those signals, you get hoarding and shortages. This is not some airy-fairy theory; it reflects bitter experience since ancient times with interventions like the one Harris proposes.
Consider what happened when President Richard Nixon imposed wage and price controls in the 1970s. "Ranchers stopped shipping their cattle to the market, farmers drowned their chickens, and consumers emptied the shelves of supermarkets," Daniel Yergin and Joseph Stanislaw note in their 1998 book on the rise of free markets.
Or consider what happened more recently with eggs. Thanks to avian flu, Furman noted, "egg prices went up last year" because "there weren't as many eggs," but the high prices encouraged "more egg production." If federal regulators had tried to suppress egg prices, they would have short-circuited that market response.
Harris, of course, says she would target only unjustified price increases, the kind that amount to "illegal price gouging" by "opportunistic companies." But as she emphasizes, there currently is no such thing under federal law, and any attempt to define it would be plagued by subjectivity and a lack of relevant knowledge.
The fact that Harris pins the sharp grocery price inflation of recent years on corporate greed suggests that her judgment about such matters cannot be trusted. Economists generally rate other factors—including the war in Ukraine as well as pandemic-related supply disruptions, shifts in consumer demand, and stimulus spending—as much more important.
High profits, in any event, are another important signal that encourages investment and competition. By forbidding "excessive profits," Harris' proposed price policing would undermine the motivation they provide.
According to the most recent numbers, the annual inflation rate dropped below 3 percent as of July. With inflation cooling, this might seem like a strange time for Harris to resuscitate an idea that was already proving disastrous thousands of years ago. But as the Times notes, her message "polls well with swing voters."
The broad tariffs that Trump favors, which Harris condemns as "a national sales tax" that would "devastate Americans," also poll well in the abstract. But they are popular only until voters consider the consequences.
In a recent Cato Institute survey, for example, 62 percent of respondents favored a tariff on "imported blue jeans," but that number plummeted when they were asked to imagine the resulting price increases. Harris likewise is counting on voters who like what she says but do not contemplate what it would mean in practice.
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A half-baked idea that is just as dubious as Donald Trump's tariffs.
What did the Biden/Harris administration do with tariffs? They cut them all do zero when they took office, because what Trump did was so economically devastating, right?
And, tariffs are WAY more appropriate when dealing with bad actors in the international marketplace than ANY domestic price controls. There is no "just as" here.
Fuck this dude is just broken. He really does need to publish an article showing on the doll where the orange man touched him as a child.
“Just as”
Jaywalking is Just as illegal as murder
“Economically dubious”
Is it more dubious than a fictional economy where money grows and shrinks with interest and debt and is “controlled” with recessions and depressions that ruin everyone but the elite?
FOAD, Nazi scum
Insanity is defined by doing the same thing while expecting a different result.
How’s that working for you fuckwit?
No, he’s too broken to fix. He should really explore self harm.
No shit. I was thinking "In what fucking way are tariffs and the GOVERNMENT SETTING PRICES" comparable?
He's like the Emma Camp of Reason.
Well, I guess that doesn't make sense, because Emma Camp is the Emma Camp of Reason. So I guess that would make Jake... well... hmm.
Look, they're both complete retards, OK?
It's all going to be OK, Jacob. I was assured by one of the resident 'totally not a leftist even though I defend everything they do' commenters over the weekend that all this bluster about price controlling groceries is actually just about hoarding and greed during natural disasters. So, despite all the context of the regime talking about price 'gauging' with regards to groceries in a completely non-emergency situation, it would in no way come to this:
https://twitter.com/RobertMSterling/status/1824840348008391127
Why can't you just argue against the stupid 'price gouging' policy without resorting to emotional pleas and hysterical comparisons to communism?
You understand that these hysterical reactions can backfire, right?
Some people will say "OMG that's communism, better stop it!"
But OTHER people will say "That's such a stupid comparison, they do that because they don't have an intellectual argument against it so they have to resort to these childish ploys."
Which group is larger?
And why do you blindly accept the Harris Campaign's spin that 'oh, she was just talking about in emergencies, like normal price gouging laws', when everyone else can see by the context of what she was talking about, that she's actually talking about federal price controls.
Everyone see this. Reason writers, CNN guests, everyone.
Is this CNN Economist having an hysterical reaction?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/08/16/cnns_catherine_rampell_kamala_harris_price_control_proposal_will_at_best_do_nothing_at_worst_cause_a_lot_of_harm.html
TBF, he’s right in that we shouldn’t be calling it Communism.
We should be holding up a photo of Il Duce and call them out for the textbook fascists that they are.
Perhaps not a communist, but Mussolini started out as a leader in the Italian socialist movement.
They’ll just say you have to be White to be a fascist.
People need to stop overreacting about Kamala’s plan to reduce food inflation, as if it would lead to communism, mass starvation, and the end of America.
I worked in M&A in the food industry. Here’s a step-by-step summary of what would actually happen:
1. The government announces that grocery retailers aren’t allowed to raise prices.
2. Grocery stores, which operate on 1-2% net margins, can’t survive if their suppliers raise prices. So the government announces that food producers (Kraft Heinz, ConAgra, Tyson, Hormel, et. al.) also aren’t allowed to raise prices.
3. Not all grocery stores are created equal. Stores in lower-income areas make less money than those in higher-income areas, as the former disproportionately sell lower-margin prepackaged foods (“center of the store”) instead of higher-margin fresh products like meat (“perimeter of the store”). Because stores in lower-income areas aren’t able to cover overhead (remember, even if their wholesale costs are fixed, their labor, utilities, insurance, and other operating expenses aren’t fixed… yet), grocery chains start to shut them down. Food deserts in rural areas and in low-income urban areas alike become worse.
4. Meanwhile, margins for food producers are also quickly eroding. Their primary costs (ingredients, energy, and labor) aren’t fixed, and their shrinking gross profits leave less cash flow available to cover overhead, maintain facilities, and reinvest in additional production capacity.
5. Grocery chains, which have finite shelf space, start to repurpose their stores (those they didn’t have to shut down, I should say) to sell more non-price-controlled items—everything from nutrition supplements to kitchenware to apparel—and less price-controlled food products. Your local Kroger or Safeway starts to look and feel more like a Walmart.
6. Food producers stop making products with lower margins. Grocery chain start competing with each other to secure inventory. Since they can’t compete by offering stronger prices (remember, producers aren’t allowed to raise prices here, and, even if they could, grocery chains no longer have the gross profit to bear price increases), they compete on things like payment terms.
7. Small grocery chains start to shut down entirely, or get sold to larger chains like Kroger. In addition to not being able to cover fixed costs, a major reason for this is because they can no longer reliably secure delivery of products, due to producers prioritizing sales to larger customers, which are able to leverage their stronger balance sheets to offer superior payment terms.
8. Smaller food producers—which typically sell via distributors, rather than directly to grocery chains—start to go out of business. Because these producers have an additional step their value chains, and because they have lower volumes over which to spread their fixed costs, their cost structure is inherently disadvantaged compared to major food producers. When grocery stores aren’t able to raise prices, cutting product costs becomes all the more important, and deprioritizing purchases from smaller producers is an easy way to do so.
9. As supply chains break down, lines start to form outside grocery stores every morning. Cities assign police officers to patrol store parking lots, and food producers draft contingency plans to assign armed escorts to delivery trucks.
10. The federal government announces a program to issue block grants for states to purchase and operate shuttered grocery stores. The USDA also seizes closed-down production facilities.
11. The government announces that prices for all key food costs—corn, wheat, cattle, energy, etc.—are also now fixed, to stop “profiteers” from gouging the now-government-operated food industry.
12. Shockingly, the government struggles to operate one of the most complex industries on the planet. The entire food supply chain starts imploding.
13. Communism, mass starvation, and the end of America quickly ensue.
Hey wait a second
It will be different this time!
Not to refute the narrative exactly but:
Small grocery chains start to shut down entirely, or get sold to larger chains like Kroger. <- You are here.
Per point 5 and recent history, we aren't exactly in a long-standing and free-flowing market. Amazon and Wal-mart were eating up grocers pretty readily beforehand and *then* we decided to shut down the economy for "two weeks".
I guess maybe to say, kinda like COVID, expecting the whole nation to proceed through steps 1-13 in a lock step fashion is simplistic (and maybe not the intent of the post). There would be regional inflation markers of varying goods and supply chain breakdowns. Obviously, (presuming no forced shutdowns or occupations) beef produced in TX or KS or SD isn't going to become rare in those states as quickly as it is in NY or ME. Milk in WI won't disappear as quickly as it will in NJ. Places like MT and ME may still have problems getting veggies, but FL, CA, and TX won't. There will be successive waves of shortages, lack of stock, and potential starvation akin to rolling blackouts during periods of high electrical demand in CA.
Now, of course, again like COVID, once these shortages are incurred and the producers adjust production to the new realities of more local demand, it likely-to-will take production years to return to previous levels, if it ever does.
I take comfort in thinking NYC will resort to cannibalism first.
Just slaughter the communists and avoid all the trouble.
The Road to Serfdom.
The problem is government coercion and the only fix is to prohibit it.
More center-right degradation:
Stupid is as stupid does, the GOP has doomed conservatism, not because of Biden and Harris, but because of Trump. Trump is a reactionary, Trumpism’s core beliefs are closer to Marxism than the dems. Trump wants to the government to be involved in all aspects of your life, your bedroom and the boardroom, mandating what can be said, what can be done, what can be private. He’s all for freedom, as long as agrees 100% with what he wants you to believe. History and reality are malleable based on how dear leader feelz today.
So, yeah, Harris is not Trump so Harris will be president, thanks Trump.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 8/20/2024 @ 7:26 pm
With officers like this, you can see why the US military got outfought by a bunch of Pashtun goatherders.
Not sure where you got that quote, but it's obviously a joke.
I mean, Colonel Klink? The first response is probably from Sgt Schultz saying he sees nothing.
HOGAN!
It's one of Patterico's dumbfuck commenters. I like to post quotes from those idiots every so often just to demonstrate how clueless and out of touch they are, especially because I know they read the articles and comment sections here.
He’s all for freedom, as long as agrees 100% with what he wants you to believe.
This isn't exactly right, but it is close.
It is more like, Team Red is in favor of "freedom" as long as you order "freedom" off of the Team Red Freedom Menu which has a limited number of choices for "freedom".
And no, Team Blue isn't that much different, despite Tim Walz's "mind your own damn business" puffery.
They've been Biden's tariffs for 3½ years now, you can stop the TDS display. And since Kamala is taking credit for the greatest economy ever, you may as well call them the Harris tariffs now.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/05/14/fact-sheet-president-biden-takes-action-to-protect-american-workers-and-businesses-from-chinas-unfair-trade-practices/
Here's one of many in the list.
The tariff rate on electric vehicles under Section 301 will increase from 25% to 100% in 2024.
Biden stole Trump's idea.
Sometimes I think the aliens have never visited our planet, because they made the mistake of trying communism.
Why even mention Kamala? Just say unknown DC operatives actually running the government.
Consider what happened when President Richard Nixon imposed wage and price controls in the 1970s.
First of all, he was a Republican. Second, Democrats did it first and worse. So stop talking about Nixon and start talking about the fucking Democrat running for president!
Are you new here? Reason has been all in for Team Blue for a while now.
So true. All criticism of Republicans is praise for Democrats. And Reason criticizes Republicans all the time. They criticize Democrats too, but that doesn’t count, because they criticized Republicans first. Any anyone who criticizes Republicans the way Reason does is a Democrat.
Yawn.
Shorter Sarc…. “There shall be no criticism of democrats. If there is I will shitpost whiney Boaf Sidez bullshit”.
Stupid drunken democrat.
Reason has been all in for Team Blue for a while now.
Yesterday evening:
Kamala Harris' 'Price Gouging' Ban: A New Idea That Has Failed for Thousands of Years
https://reason.com/2024/08/21/kamala-harris-price-gouging-ban-is-a-new-idea-that-has-failed-for-thousands-of-years/
And what’s your opinion of the law, fatty?
Why not talk about Nixon? His price controls were foolish and ineffective. And I remember how my company responded. They weren't allowed to increase staff salaries unless they were promoted. So all sorts of people got 'promoted' to newly created jobs - with the same responsibilities. In some sectors that was not possible, so those people suffered. And this helped kick off the terrible inflation of the late '70s. Carter made it worse and got the blame, but Nixon was part of the problem.
Ford: Whip Inflation Now!
Because Nixon was a Republican, and criticism of Republicans is praise for Democrats. Besides, FDR did it first and worse. So why talk about Nixon but not FDR? I’ll tell you why. Because Nixon was a Republican and FDR was a Democrat. They always attack Republicans, but not Democrats. Poor, poor Republicans. Always picked on. So mean. So unfair.
So stupid.
This is extra retarded because all the people you hate and called trump cultists criticized Nixon when shrike brought him up.
But glad to see that chosen economist you listen to that says the economy is great is really just shrike.
I’d be more inclined to respond if you limited your lies to one or two per post. I count seven in this one. I suppose that’s pretty good if the goal is to pack as many lies as possible into the fewest words. But since I have to start my responses to you with refutations of your lies and false premises, the more there are the less likely I am to respond.
Please. List the seven. Lol.
I can provide the response to shrike. No lie.
I can post you saying the economy is pretty good yesterday. So no lie.
You’re just a pathological lying leftist sarc. Lol.
Actually questioning if you are even able to count now. I didn't even have 7 assertions.
You’re not worth the effort.
I must be worth some effort to you, considering how you reply to a good 50% of my comments with responses that are full of lies in a desperate plea for attention.
But you're not worth it to me. Not one little tiny bit.
Translation: sarc lost another one.
He sure did. Enough effort to count seven lies, enough effort to whine about it, but too much effort to actually list them.
I'm just curious how he got to 7 from 2 assertions. Both true too.
Sarc is fucking pathetic lol.
Typical pussy Sarc. Always running away from a fight. Just like you ran away from me after you refused to back up your drunken threats against me.
Cry harder you gutless pussy.
Can you even count to 7?
This is fucking getting really pathetic for you. Lol.
I thought you had this person muted. What happened?
Look at all the desperate gnats, longing for me to reply to their grey boxes. So sad.
We all know you don’t mute anyone. Especially Jesse. You’re in love with him.
No trump voter cares about republicans you demented gimp.
And this helped kick off the terrible inflation of the late ’70s. Carter made it worse and got the blame, but Nixon was part of the problem.
A large proportion of the country’s economic degradation over the last 50 years originated with him, from price controls to the EPA and Endangered Species Act to finally breaking the US off of the gold standard to opening up relations with China, still the worst strategic mistake in the country’s history. LBJ’s Great Society made up the rest of what was a period of poorly thought out executive decision making.
Extremely intelligent person–he made a cogent observation after the Soviet Union broke up that the credibility of democracy was now on trial for the Russians, and if anything damaged that perception they’d go back to their old authoritarian structure, which bore itself out when the US interfered in their elections in 1996 to put our drunk puppet Yeltsin back in office–but his wisdom was in inverse proportion to that.
" . . . that is just as dubious as Donald Trump's tariffs."
The only sub-heading Jacob knows. No matter the topic, "Trump's tariffs" will be there.
Come on Sullum; stick with what she says, not made up stuff.
She is only opposed to price GAUGING; you know, the part where the free market gauges what the consumer will pay, what everyone else is charging, and sets a fair price accordingly.
She didn't say price gouging.
Maybe she meant to say "gooching", to get prices to come down she's going to try banning massaging their taint.
Or was she just concerned with the pricing of Gucci products?
What would you do for some Gucci?
>>stick with what she says, not made up stuff.
if the authors would ever truly listen to those commie maniacs they'd realize the commie maniacs aren't lying ... they're being improperly heard.
Distillation of this article:
"pushing populist prescriptions that would hurt consumers in the name of sticking it to supposed economic villains."
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"...her message "polls well with swing voters / voters who like what she says but do not contemplate what it would mean in practice."
IOW, the average American is stupid and emotionally driven. Which is why we keep getting shit in politics.
Remember those terrible days when not everyone could vote (and not all officials were elected)?
No, the average person simply doesn't want to deal with the political details, they want to get on with their lives and leave politics to the politicians. Unfortunately for most people, that's a deal the politicians are happy to accept and abuse.
You're right; way too cynical [even by my standards] and too broad a brush stroke. Better to say the average American is just too indifferent to delve beyond headlines and sound bytes. Which is why we keep getting more shit.
It's not that people don't care, but they haven't got time to care. They've got jobs, families, friends, and more important daily things to worry about. That's why students are such nuts, especially the wokies. They've abandoned their unwoke parents, their classes are struggle sessions, they live off student loans; they have way too much idle time and zero responsibilities.
Look, if you believe that people deserve stuff by simply existing (or voting for the right party), then any price demanded is gouging.
Nobody should have to work, and everything should be free!
The idea of antigouging price controls is more popular than it is practical. As the article notes defining price gouging is very subjective. Still, I think the idea will be popular. What makes the idea popular is that as prices increase companies are also making large profits. While the link between higher price and higher profits is not really clear, it is noticeable.
What may be more important is that Kamala Harris is also advocating for more competition, and this is likely to have a greater effect on prices. While the word communist is thrown out easily, I would note that both parties are basically capitalist oriented. My concern about Republicans is they seem more amenable to large scale capitalism with mega companies. Democrats seem to support capitalism across a boarder range of companies.
Parody. ^
Eat shit and die, Sullum.
"Consider what happened when President Richard Nixon imposed wage and price controls in the 1970s."
-- Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938.
Everyone forget it was FDR who initiated it.
Everyone forget Nixon had a full [D]-Congress.
"A Democratic Congress passed the act at a time of persistent inflation; Republicans charged it was an election-year ploy attacking President richard m. nixon for failure to curtail rising unemployment, high interest rates, and a balance of payments deficit."
"Nixon signed the measure but indicated he would have preferred to veto it and had no intention of using its authority."
https://www.encyclopedia.com/politics/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/economic-stabilization-act-84-stat-799-1970
Seems every-time an [R] does something MASSIVELY stupid it's at the demands of a [D]. See Trumps Cares Act; more recent example.
Yet somehow Democrats always manage to pitch/pass/push/demand their BS only to later project all it's blame onto what-ever [R] didn't have the principle to VETO it.
“… Harris pins the sharp grocery price inflation of recent years on corporate greed suggests that her judgment about such matters cannot be trusted.”
We long ago left the era when Presidents of the United States actually made decisions about policies and managed the Executive Branch actively. The Executive Branch is managed by a large, nebulous committee of temporary appointees and a permanent career deep state. They hand the President her decisions and statements and she then signs them and reads them to the cameras.
Sullum, yesterday evening: "Trump is wrong on his crime statistics claim"
Reason commenters: "That's so unfair! You're just a shill for Kamala!"
Sullum, this morning: "Kamala's price gouging policy is dumb"
Reason commenters: "Well of course it's dumb! But we will still call you a shill for Kamala when you criticize Trump even when we agree with you when you criticize Kamala."
Stupid Leftards, "Punishing crime and implementing illegal socialism ... same, same."
"A half-baked idea that is just as dubious as Donald Trump's tariffs."
How stupid can you be? This idea is far, far worse than tariffs.
Tariffs were the main form of taxes back when we actually had small, limited government. They are better than income taxes.
Trump's tariffs are not the same as 19th century tariffs.
Trump's tariffs are explicitly protectionist in nature. They are specifically designed to manipulate consumer behavior. The whole idea behind Trump's protectionist tariffs is that the government raises zero money from them, because every potential consumer shifts their purchase to a non-tariff source.
The tariffs of the 19th century, on the other hand, were more like "import duties". They applied to virtually everything and they did not try to manipulate consumer behavior in this way.
You don’t think tariffs in the 19th century were protectionist? Interesting.
Apparently the import market has been ‘protectionist’ of themselves to a maximum extent (0% tax). Guess they found no need to compete with Domestic; just decided to tax them at 80%.
"Hey man... You pay all the taxes and we'll get zero-taxes but if you think that's unfair and try and tax us then your just a 'protectionist'." /s
Tariffs have a limited ability to replace other government taxes. First, they are regressive in nature, putting the highest burden on a country's poorest citizens. Then to get enough money through tariffs a country has to put tariffs at levels that invite retaliation. Trumps's steel tariffs invited Chinese tariffs on American soybeans that in turn required the US government to issue farmer welfare payments.
So no, Trumps tariffs are poorly thought out and as bad if not worse.
Hahahahahahaha
Funny. A Tax-Free farmer is now a 'welfare payment'???
Taxes are regressive; That's exactly why domestic is falling apart.
no no no ... price gauging ... never been tried.
We are witnessing a straw man argument/fallacy based on the false assumption that Harris proposing price regulation, a la Nixon This is not the idea, but it is easy to criticized as doomed to fail. The cause of price gouging is monopoly (as with Mosaic fertilizer or Facebook) or oligopolistic collusion (as with food, energy, and technology), which allows dominant players to agree to hike prices when there is no other supply chain that meets market demands. This method of market rigging by oligopolies also has used government policy, such as tariffs, to eliminate competition to allow price hikes.
This fact suggests the approach which has proven to be very successful, which involves breaking up monopolies and oligopolies and their market rigging. An example was the break up years ago, when the government will to promote competition as a way to lower prices was in place: "Since the breakup of AT&T, interstate long-distance prices have decreased by about 40 percent, " Today, mergers and acquisitions, tariffs, and other tactics are used to dominate the market and thus enable fixing prices. This can be blocked, not by setting price caps (tho in some cases, this works, as with drugs) but with breaking up monopolies and oligopolies to open up competition. This is what Harris has in mind and what has proven to work.
Sure, comrade. Now tell us about air travel prices before and after government pricing.