Here Is Why a Federal Judge Rejected Hunter Biden's Second Amendment Challenge to His Gun Charges
Likening drug users to people who are "mentally ill and dangerous," the ruling says barring them from owning firearms is not unconstitutional on its face.

Last Thursday, a federal judge in Delaware rejected Hunter Biden's Second Amendment challenge to the three gun charges he faces for buying a revolver in October 2018, when he was a crack cocaine user. In a 10-page order, U.S. District Marylellen Noreika concludes that 18 USC 922(g)(3), which makes it a felony for an "unlawful user" of a "controlled substance" to receive or possess firearms, is not unconstitutional on its face, meaning there are at least some cases in which the provision can be enforced without violating the right to keep and bear arms.
Noreika's decision does not end a constitutional dispute that pits Biden against his own father, who has steadfastly defended a policy that could send his son to prison. That policy denies Second Amendment rights to millions of Americans with no history of violence, including cannabis consumers, whether or not they live in states that have legalized marijuana.
Noreika's ruling leaves the door open to an "as-applied" challenge if and when Biden is convicted, meaning he can still argue that his prosecution violates the Second Amendment at that point. That claim may ultimately be resolved by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 3rd Circuit, which has yet to address the constitutionality of Section 922(g)(3) under the test that the U.S. Supreme Court established in the 2022 case New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen.*
If Biden is convicted and his appeals are unsuccessful, he could face a substantial prison sentence. When he bought his gun, violations of Section 922(g)(3) were punishable by up to 10 years in prison. The Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, which his father signed into law in 2022, raised the maximum penalty to 15 years. But even though Congress views gun ownership by illegal drug users as a serious crime, it is rarely prosecuted. While survey data suggest that millions of gun owners are guilty of violating Section 922(g)(3), fewer than 150 Americans are prosecuted for that offense each year.
The two other gun charges that Biden faces, which are based on the same transaction, likewise are rarely prosecuted. One alleges a violation of 18 USC 922(a)(6), which applies to someone who knowingly makes a false statement in connection with a firearm transaction. The other involves 18 USC 924(a)(1)(A), which applies to someone who "knowingly makes any false statement or representation with respect to the information" that a federally licensed dealer is required to record.
Both charges are based on the same conduct: Biden checked "no" in response to a question on Form 4473, which is required for gun purchases from federally licensed dealers: "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?" That check mark, according to federal prosecutors, qualified as two felonies, punishable by a combined maximum prison sentence of 15 years. Although actual sentences tend to be much shorter than the maximums, Biden theoretically faces up to 25 years in prison for conduct that violated no one's rights.
Biden argued that Section 922(g)(3) fails the Bruen test, which requires the government to show that a gun law is "consistent with this Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation." He added that the ancillary charges also should be dismissed because they would not be possible but for Section 922(g)(3).
In rejecting Biden's motion to dismiss, Noreika relies heavily on a recent decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 8th Circuit. Last month in United States v. Veasley, the 8th Circuit rejected a facial challenge to Section 922(g)(3), citing the legal treatment of "the mentally ill" in the 18th and 19th centuries.
In the 18th century, the appeals noted, justices of the peace were empowered to order the confinement of "lunatics" who were deemed a threat to public safety. Since such confinement "did not include access to guns," the court reasoned, it was clear that "lunatics" had no such rights. And by the late 19th century, states had begun to prohibit gun sales to people of "unsound mind." Together with "the even longer tradition of confinement," the 8th Circuit said, "these laws suggest that society made it a priority to keep guns out of the hands of anyone who was mentally ill and dangerous."
Those precedents, the appeals court said, amply justify Section 922(g)(3): "The 'burden' imposed by § 922(g)(3) is 'comparable,' if less heavy-handed, than Founding-era laws governing the mentally ill. It goes without saying that confinement with straitjackets and chains carries with it a greater loss of liberty than a temporary loss of gun rights. And the mentally ill had less of a chance to regain their rights than drug users and addicts do today. Stopping the use of drugs, after all, restores gun rights under § 922(g)(3)." The court thought the justification for Section 922(g)(3), "which is to 'keep guns out of the hands of presumptively risky people,'" is "also comparable."
The 8th Circuit assumed that drug users are analogous to "lunatics" and people of "unsound mind" who are "mentally ill and dangerous." But the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit rejected that analogy last year, when it overturned the Section 922(g)(3) conviction of Patrick Darnell Daniels Jr., a Mississippi man who was caught with a gun and the remains of a few joints after he was pulled over for driving without a license plate in April 2022.
"Just as there was no historical justification for disarming a citizen of sound mind, there is no tradition that supports disarming a sober citizen who is not currently under an impairing influence," the 5th Circuit said in United States v. Daniels. "The Founders purportedly institutionalized the insane and stripped them of their guns; but they allowed alcoholics to possess firearms while sober. We must ask, in Bruen-style analogical reasoning, which is Daniels more like: a categorically 'insane' person? Or a repeat alcohol user? Given his periodic marihuana usage, Daniels is firmly in the latter camp. If and when Daniels uses marihuana, he may be comparable to a mentally ill individual whom the Founders would have disarmed. But while sober, he is like the repeat alcohol user in between periods of drunkenness."
Noreika also cites district court decisions that accepted the Justice Department's analogy between Section 922(g)(3) and early laws that made it a crime to publicly carry or discharge firearms while intoxicated. But the 5th Circuit rejected that analogy, and so did the 8th Circuit.
As both courts noted, those historical laws addressed a specific hazard—drunken gun handling—with narrow restrictions. They applied only in public and only to people who were actively intoxicated. They did not apply to private possession of firearms, let alone impose a categorical ban on gun ownership by drinkers.
"Under the government's reasoning," the 5th Circuit said, "Congress could ban gun possession by anyone who has multiple alcoholic drinks a week…based on the postbellum intoxicated carry laws. The analogical reasoning Bruen prescribed cannot stretch that far."
The 8th Circuit reached a similar conclusion. "For drinkers, the focus was on the use of a firearm, not its possession," it noted. "And the few restrictions that existed during colonial times were temporary and narrow in scope." It added that "there was even less regulation when it came to [other] drugs," which were widely available without a prescription in the 19th century.
"The government concedes that its 'review of early colonial laws has not revealed any statutes that prohibited [firearm] possession' by drug users," the 8th Circuit noted. "It took until 1968, with the passage of § 922(g)(3), for Congress to keep guns away from drug users and addicts….The fact that 'earlier generations addressed the societal problem…through materially different means [is] evidence that' disarming all drug users, simply because of who they are, is inconsistent with the Second Amendment."
Since it viewed the comparison between Section 922(g)(3) and laws aimed at preventing drunken gun handling as problematic, the 8th Circuit instead relied on the comparison between drug users and people who are "mentally ill and dangerous." It also invoked "the Founding-era criminal prohibition on taking up arms to terrify the people."
The 8th Circuit conceded that "not every drug user or addict will terrify others, even with a firearm." It is "exceedingly unlikely," for example, that "the 80-year-old grandmother who uses marijuana for a chronic medical condition and keeps a pistol tucked away for her own safety" will "pose a danger or induce terror in others." But "those are details relevant to an as-applied challenge, not a facial one," the court added. "For our purposes, all we need to know is that at least some drug users and addicts fall within a class of people who historically have had limits placed on their right to bear arms."
Noreika emphasizes that the 5th Circuit characterized Daniels as upholding an "as-applied" challenge. "We do not invalidate the statute in all its applications, but, importantly, only as applied to Daniels," the appeals court said. Noreika concludes that Daniels therefore provides no support to Biden's challenge. The 5th Circuit's reasoning nevertheless casts doubt on the notion that illegal drug users, as a class, are so dangerous that they have no Second Amendment rights.
Noreika finds that "the overwhelming weight of the district courts lends no support to Defendant's position either." But she notes three decisions in which federal judges concluded that Section 922(g)(3) charges were unconstitutional.
United States v. Harrison, decided in February 2023, involved an Oklahoma marijuana dispensary employee who was pulled over on his way to work for failing to stop at a red light in May 2022. Police found marijuana and a loaded revolver in his car. U.S. District Judge Patrick Wyrick dismissed a Section 922(g)(3) charge, rejecting the government's contention that "Harrison's mere status as a user of marijuana justifies stripping him of his fundamental right to possess a firearm."
United States v. Connelly, decided two months later, involved a Texas woman who was charged with illegal possession of firearms after El Paso police found marijuana and guns in her home while responding to a domestic disturbance in December 2021. U.S. District Judge Kathleen Cardone concluded that Section 922(g)(3) "does not withstand Second Amendment scrutiny."
U.S. Magistrate Judge Robert Numbers reached the same conclusion that July in United States v. Alston, which also involved a marijuana user charged with violating Section 922(g)(3). "The government has failed to establish that historical laws regulating the mentally ill, the intoxicated, or the dangerous are sufficiently analogous to § 922(g)(3)," Numbers wrote. "The founding-era laws the government offers sought to remedy different problems than § 922(g)(3) does, and they did so through less-restrictive means. Taken together, the historical examples discussed above are not analogous enough to § 922(g)(3) to establish the statute's constitutionality." Last October, U.S. District Judge Louise Flanagan agreed that "the government has not met its burden of proving that § 922(g) is consistent with the Second Amendment."
Although Noreika describes only that last decision as upholding a facial challenge, Cardone's conclusion that Section 922(g)(3) "does not withstand Second Amendment scrutiny" went further than deeming a specific prosecution unconstitutional, and all three decisions rejected the government's historical analogies in no uncertain terms. Furthermore, all of these cases were resolved before trial, as Biden sought to do in his case.
Why does Noreika say that remedy is not available to Biden? "Defendant argues that § 922(g)(3) is unconstitutional under the revised framework announced in Bruen because there is no 'historical precedent for disarming citizens based on their status of having used a controlled substance,'" she writes. "Because Defendant makes no arguments specifically tailored to him or the application of § 922(g)(3) to his facts, Defendant's challenge to the constitutionality of § 922(g)(3) is a facial one….To the extent that Defendant seeks in his motion to raise a challenge to the constitutionality of § 922(g)(3) as applied to him, that request is denied without prejudice to renew on an appropriate trial record."
As Noreika sees it, in other words, Biden has to be convicted before he can challenge his prosecution. But no matter what happens with this particular case, the Biden administration's dogged defense of Section 922(g)(3), especially as applied to cannabis consumers, belies the president's repudiation of the hardline anti-drug position that he took for decades as a senator.
Nowadays, Biden says marijuana use should not be treated as a crime and decries the disadvantages associated with marijuana possession convictions. But his Justice Department simultaneously insists that marijuana use makes people so dangerous that they cannot be trusted with guns—so dangerous, in fact, that they should go to prison for trying to exercise their Second Amendment rights and permanently lose those rights as a result of that felony conviction. The government claims that judgment is supported by historical precedents that bear little resemblance to a 1968 law that categorically deprives people of the right to arms for no good reason.
*Correction: This paragraph has been revised to clarify the timing of Biden's possible appeal.
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Yet again, the Second Amendment is the bastard step-child of the Bill of Rights. If the same standard applied to the First Amendment, would we have any music, movies, novels, poems, or news reporters? I mean, the drug use of people successful in those fields has been pretty well documented.
And for those who would argue that words aren’t as dangerous as guns, Marx and Mao wrote a couple of books that led to the deaths of millions.
"And for those who would argue that words aren’t as dangerous as guns,"
If we allow pens and paper into prisons and into the hands of prisoners, surely guns, which are less dangerous, should also be allowed?
“Ideas are more dangerous then ‘weapons, why should allow our enemies to have weapons?
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I'd argue the prisons are the problem, not the pens, paper, pencils or guns.
Prisons are just places for criminals to improve the quality of their crimes. There has to be a better way to deal with people who cause others actual harm than just warehousing them for a period of time and then releasing them with a mark on their record that will prevent them from working anywhere other than a McDonald's.
Don't release them.
How were they dealt with one thousand years ago?
Ahh yes, the good 'ol Oubliette. Due for a resurgence.
Why? What is the pro-prison argument to justify the negatives of the prison culture? Or are you going to claim that there are no negatives to prison.
Are you insulting prison culture?
Yes. Yes I am. Some small time weed dealer goes to prison for a couple years and comes out as a somewhat skilled car thief. If he gets caught again he just gets to improve his contacts and skills.
Sure, your taxes can pay for it.
Liberal democrats like hunter biden support Nazi government policies such as those his father has enacted.
Now he thinks he should have freedom and protection from the Nazi policies of his father simply because his father is all powerful and he is the entitled son.
Could you say that without a whole bunch of pointless political jargon? Gun control isn't unique to Nazis and really I don't understand why Conservatives are so all fired opposed to gun control. They are all about banning things that some people use irresponsibly. Guns are on the same list with drugs, porn, abortion and all manner of other "sins". Why pick one to fight for and all the others to be against.
You made a not very smart assumption…
I’m not a conservative.
And I agree with the drugs and porn...
But abortion is a litlle different...
Now you're talking about individual human lives...
Nobody can be as cold as you are proposing.
Maybe when people rob, rape, or murder we should just politely ask them to stop, and take them at their word that they won't do it again (or else maybe face the prospect of a slightly less polite asking after the second offense)? We might as well be the UN if that's how it's to be.
If there weren't people who were inclined to harm and infringe on others using either fraud or violence, then there'd be no need for any laws prohibiting such acts. However, a law without some kind of harsh enforcement might as well not exist anyway.
I don't disagree with the premise that modern prisons have the ultimate effect of, in many cases, making the people sentenced to them "worse" rather than "rehabilitating" them in any meaningful way, but their existence, and the presence of some real consequence for criminal conviction is a necessary part of the existence of any pretense at defining certain actions to be "crimes".
Personally I think criminals should be killed by their potential victims. I also think that abortion should be legal so we keep the number of new criminals down by preventing their births in the first place. Hell, it would be cheaper to pay a woman $1,000 to have an abortion than to pay for the costs of arresting and imprisoning the kid 18 years later.
Education is also important. Real education, not the day prisons we put kids in now but real educations. Get rid of government schools you have a real chance at changing the future for the better.
But hey, If insuring women who have sex out of wedlock are properly punished by being forced into single motherhood so their kids become the next generation of criminals that you can blame on democrats is that important to you then by all means, let's have prisons.
Maybe you could ask the Menendez Brothers about whether it was being raised by a single parent or not being raised with sufficient privilege which led them to murder both of their parents (oops, there goes the single mother theory) one night?
Your ideas might actually lead to a significant reduction in crime, but would hardly eliminate it altogether. Without any formal mechanism by which the State can enforce criminal laws, what's the fix for the remainder? How would it be arranged for a mudrer to be killed by their victim(s)? Is there some cutoff value at which a store-owner should be allowed to kill a shoplifter with the blessings of the State? What if a store owner turns serial-killer and just starts planting merchandise in the pockets of victims, then calling police to report having taken it upon themself to punished the "crime"?
What, you want me to solve all the problems? I'm saying what we have doesn't work. We need to try something else.
Don't forget Jesus' Own Gipper and Nancy! Only Jesus freaks could hold federal jobs after 1987, by Executive Order!
Sure Hank, sure.
I think it’s time to have grandpa committed.
I mean, the drug use of people successful in those fields has been pretty well documented.
That doesn’t mean that it was OK. Or that said success was dependent on said drug use. That’s like saying, “Well a prodigious mathematician had schizophrenia, so let’s encourage/defend schizophrenia as a good/desirable thing!”
Drug use isn't a good/desirable thing. A handful of success stories among a sea of junkies, addicts, and derelicts does not change that. The exception does not define the rule.
So your argument is humans have no agency?
….dispute that pits Biden against his own father, who has steadfastly defended a policy that could send his son to prison
The funny part.
But this is (D)ifferent.
Lucky thing Gin, Malt Liquor and cigarettes aren't drugs, right? But, whuzzis abt insulin being habit-forming? Can we still export that while banning imports?
Funny how drugs make others crazy, as well as the consumer - - - - - - -
I have such mixed reactions to this. My principled side says as few government laws as possible; let him free! My pragmatic side says any law so seldom enforced ought to be voided for that alone. My snarky side rolls its eyes at all this quibbling. My giggly side thinks it's pretty damned funny how Joe's son is getting skewered by lawfare just like Trump; live by lawfare, die by lawfare.
The difference is that the charges against Hunter involve real crimes that have been charged ( if rarely) before while the charges against Trump involve novel interpretations of law.
All of them?
Certainly the NY "fraud" charges took a lot of bending of concepts to make the law (and the facts in the case) seem to be anything of any real significance.
The GA "Fake Electors" case is hard to figure out since outside of endless repetition of the term "Fake Electors", there hasn't been a whole lot of explanation as to what the potential crime might actually be. If you look through the papers in the National archives (or the pdf copies available on their website), it's fairly clear that the standard procedure for every candidate who appeared on the ballot in any state to submit a full slate of "electors" to represent their campaign for that State, and the State Legislature submits a letter to Congress which lists the names of every member of every slate of electors for every candidate who was on the ballot (and in some states everyone who received votes, including write-ins) along with a designation of which group are the "official" electors whose votes should be accepted in the Electoral College. For all of the sturm and drang about the trump campaign having assembled a group of electors in GA, there's little mention of the fact that the campaign did the same thing in CA, IL, NY, and every other "blue" state and that the Biden campaign assembled a full slate in TX, FL, UT, AL, TN, and every "red" state; what's never really been explained anywhere that I've seen is what the GA trump electors are supposed to have done that the non-winning electors for any other candidate in every other state didn't do in order to make their mere existence somehow proof of an attempted crime.
The Libertarian and Green Parties each named a full slate of "Electors" for every state in the country along with the GOP and DNC, why no claims that they were involved in any kind of conspiracy to "steal the election"?
So, not all of them. I agree.
The NY charges are the ones which are nearly certain to produce a conviction (which if the judge keeps going at this pace will be hard to justify on appeal) since nearly any jury made up of NYT readers or other residents of Manhattan would convict trump for killing Abe Lincoln if given a pretext to do so.
The GA charges are considered to be the most "serious", except that the prosecution may have destroyed the entire case with an epic "own goal" corruption case, and are the ones that have never really been explained as to what part of trump's campaign assembling a slate of electors in GA amounts to "election tampering" if doing so is standard procedure for every candidate in every state.
The civil libel case isn't a politically significant charge, and can't lead to anything other than financial penalties (plus it's also being tried in NYC, where no impartial jury can really be empaneled).
What are the other case(s) which you're asserting weren't pursued and/or fabricated for nakedly political motives and without interest in actual justice?
Unless you accept the premise that trump is definitionally a "criminal" and just getting him punished on any pretext amounts to "justice", but in that scenario, justification is rendered irrelevant.
Obviously you have never read the constitution.
Specifically the 2nd Amendment.
And why did Hunter's charges arise? Because someone put his laptop out in the public and FOX went crazy with it. You know, just the normal way people get caught with guns and drugs. But Trump lies to his own supporters because he is worried they won't vote for him and it's all good. Thems love to be lied to by daddy.
Considering all his actual, documented, criminal actions it's hard to consider this lawfare and not a token punishment.
The DOJ did almost manage push through a "deal" in which Hunter agreed to go to drug rehab and in return was expecting to get lifetime blanket immunity for any and all crimes, whether they be in the past, present, or future.
I wonder how many people whose father isn't the President get that kind of an offer from any "A-USA"?
IDK. Remember when Trump offered defense spending cuts in lieu of immigration reform?
Could you imagine if he offered to pardon Hunter in exchange for repealing and/or invalidating administrative policy that enforces the 4473? Or if Biden himself repealed the same and pardoned his son?
IMO, that's a/the relatively unambiguous libertarian vision here. Everything else is a status quo libertarian morass of "laws for thee but not for me".
If trump had tried to get a parking ticket fixed for Jared Kushner, it would have been the lead on CNN for at least 12 consecutive days...
Imagine the word-salad that would be coming from MSNBC for at least 3-5 days if Hunter's lawyers had managed to get significant portions of Biden's "gun safety" victories declared unconstitutional and nullified altogether... Maddow would be unable to figure out whether it was more important to crow about the "witch hunt" launched against the Biden Family being defeated or the "thousands of children who will be put into mortal danger" with that question being struck from Form 4473.
On the one hand “Shall not be infringed” motherfuckers.
On the other hand, schadenfreude of the best kind that the son of the guy who bragged about authoring all of these crime and gun bills is getting bit in the ass by them.
I think it would be awesome if it actually lead to something positive, but the realist in me knows that Hunter will just get a pass and the next guy that breaks the same law will get reamed for it.
So... qualified immunity. Q.E.D.
I've known too many drug users to disagree with the mental illness part, but you don't have restrictions on other rights because you are stoned or mentally ill.
If you are mentally ill to the point of incarceration, I think you are denied your right to vote in most jurisdictions. That's the only exception that jumps to mind, though.
"In a 10-page order, U.S. District Marylellen Noreika concludes that 18 USC 922(g)(3), . . . "
Should read 'U.S. District Judge Maryellen (just the 2 L's) Noreika . . .'
Interesting how Democrats have a completely different view of the 2nd amendment when it’s enforced against their President’s darling boy. “Oh, this is never enforced. It’s a targeted prosecution. Evil MAGA SCOTUS!!!!”
Do you actually know any Democrats taking that position?
It's called projection.
It's pathetic.
"WARNING: The information you provide will be used to determine whether you are prohibited by Federal or State Law from receiving a firearm, or Transferor’s/Seller’s whether Federal or State Law prohibits the sale or disposition of a firearm to you."
"... the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
"18 USC 922(g)(3), which makes it a felony for an "unlawful user" of a "controlled substance" to receive or possess firearms, is not unconstitutional on its face."
Some of these things are not like the others. The three branches of the Federal government have been using lawyer tricks to get around Bill of Rights restrictions on their power since the day after the first ten amendments to the Constitution of the United States of America were ratified. The Second Amendment does NOT say, "... shall not be infringed, except when Congress or the Department of Justice thinks they can get away with it." If the Supreme Court had not started cravenly abdicating its responsibility to uphold and defend the Constitution against all domestic foes long ago, this would be much clearer now. In spite of the plain language of the Second Amendment, Congress nevertheless passed (and the Chief Executive signed) a law requiring "the people" to fill out a form in order to get permission from the government before buying a firearm; and requiring sellers of arms to get permission from the government to become licensed to sell a firearm; both of which are infringements of the right to keep and bear arms. Then the law requires you to swear that you are not addicted to or an illegal user of narcotics! Biden is not "licensed" to practice medicine, so he is not authorized to diagnose addiction; he also had not been charged with "using illegal narcotics" at the time he filled out the form so it is highly questionable that he falsified this (unconstitutional) form; and he cannot be required or forced to testify against himself in the first place. The unconstitutionally broad and vague language on the form should invalidate it "on its face" for any Federal judge who wants to keep her oath of office to support and defend the Constitution, so I guess the Judge lied when she took that oath. If this travesty of a law is not completely and immediately struck down by the Supreme Court on appeal then we know with certainty sure just where the Justices stand on "Equal Justice Under Law" don't we ...
And by the way, what if he had bought the firearm from someone who was not required to have a license or submit Form umpty-umpty-seven? Which of the over four thousand unconstitutional Federal laws does THAT violate?!
None. It is a state issue and each state handles it differently
The one(s) against possessing a gun and cocaine at the same time.
I suppose they would argue that these laws do not actually infringe on the right guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment, because the "right to keep and bear arms" includes various caveats and limitations.
And so do you, unless you think, for example, that I have a Constitutional right to steal your guns and "keep" them as I please?
ONS - of all the possible caveats and limitations you might have picked to illustrate with you seem to have picked the most idiotic and least applicable one! Congratulations! Stealing someone else's guns is - you know - theft which is not a violation of my right to keep and bear arms but IS illegal.
Er, all I needed was one, to send your silly argument shooting around the room before landing with a plop in the corner. Please do not expect any more effort than that on such a silly argument.
The "right to keep and bear arms" has a specific meaning, whether we can appreciate it at this juncture or not, which the Supreme Court is nevertheless charged with discerning. It is not as facile an analysis as, "what part of 'shall not be infringed' don't you understand, huh?" Be serious.
There is a takings issue here. But that never slowed down faith-based prohibitionist asset forfeiture looting. In fact, five separate prohibitionist crashes--1907, 1914, 1920, 1929, 1931--made not so much as a dent in the notion that somewhere in the King James Version there surely has to be a DEA verse other than "For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." Christian National Socialist eugenics sweats to discover Aramaic injunctions against the "Burning Bush of Beelzebub," but amid rightslessness finds only slaves bought and sold and compelled to reproduce involuntarily because Race Suicide.
Sucks when you have to abide by the same law as everyone else. He is not used to that.
Without reading the comments let me take a guess here as to what they are like…
Normally this kind of decision made by a federal judge would be treated with discussions about how fast we should load the judge into the woodchipper’s hopper. But here— because the decision applies to arch-fiend, Hunter Biden, it will be treated more sympathetically.
Did I get it right?
"Did I get it right?"
No.
Pretty much. Principals, not principles.
Speaking of 2a, how about that guy who was just sentenced to 10 years for building his own gun in New York? Though maybe this is different since the judge ruled the 2nd did not apply in her courtroom.
Well, see, here's how it works: first the local government violates your rights. Next you rot in jail for a while and lose your job and your house. Then someone gets around to trying you for the crime. Then - and only then - can you appeal to a higher court, where - oops! - it's still a state court which denies your appeal. Then you rot in jail for a while longer while your state-appointed attorney appeals to a Federal Court, but - oops again! - this is one of the Circuit Courts that doesn't want to follow the Supreme Court's previous, admittedly dense, rulings in similar cases. So you rot in jail for a while longer while the Institute for Justice takes your case to the Supreme Court where - oops again - the issue is sidestepped by No-Nuts at the Helm who returns the case to the lower court with instructions to change something something something mumble mumble. All clear now?
"Congress views gun ownership by illegal drug users as a serious crime"
MATTHEW 18:9: " And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire." Repeal the law defining everything but gin and cigarettes as illegal and Hunter walks. This has been in the LP platform as spoiler votes went from 4000 to 4 million--before the Mises AfD Anschluss. See Neutralizing Libertarians
Republicans think only other Republicans have any rights.
Those are powers. Power is the time derivative of the capacity to strike dead the disobedient.
It’s entirely clear that drugs do make people certifiably insane.
The peculiarity of it is that this effect seems to be limited to, and most pronounced in, the people who aren’t actually using the drugs.
You are not wrong. What i find interesting is that is entirely clear to those who delude themselves that what the media reports about drugs and drug users is totally accurate. Those of us who know civilized drug users think far better of them.
It’s a lot like gun ownership. Those who delude themselves that what the media reports about guns and gun owners is totally accurate think gun laws are a great idea. Those of us who know civilized gun owners think far better of them.
"Those of us who know civilized drug users think far better of them. "
But do you think well enough of drug users to convert 10% of your net worth into cash and leave it in a gym bag on the back seat of a car parked on the street in the SF Tenderloin district (or Jack London Square in Oakland) for 3 hours on a Wednesday afternoon?
The existence of responsible drug users doesn't preclude the existence of "junkies" who would steal nearly anything that looks fence-able to get their next fix.
Similarly, the existence of responsible gun owners doesn't mean there aren't a lot of people out there who really shouldn't be allowed access to anything more dangerous than a steak knife; not all of those people are legally precluded from 2A rights though. As an example, anyone who thinks that a high percentage of the populace holding CCW permits would lead to "every dispute ending in a gunshot" likely have the wrong temperament themselves to be entirely safe with possession of firearms.
I wouldn't leave my wallet in a locked car in front of a church. People can be theiving shit heads all by themselves without any intoxicants to remove all agency and make them into mind numbed zombies ripe for communist takeover.
"I wouldn’t leave my wallet in a locked car in front of a church. People can be theiving shit heads all by themselves without any intoxicants to remove all agency"
I thought you rejected the image of drug users that the media reports (namely that they're junkies who've lost their agency to their need for their next "fix" of their chosen intoxicant).
There'd be so little foot traffic around most churches in the Bay Area that it might actually be a relatively safe place to park a car in that city.
I'm sure it's largely because of the relatively sober (at least those who can manage their use of various intoxicants without losing control) and gainfully employed people in the city that piles of shattered safety glass in the gutter are referred to as "San Francisco snow", and that the locals have taken to leaving their cars unlocked with windows rolled down, glove box open, and notes under the wiper stating "nothing of value in the car, please don't break anything while looking"; I'm sure that when you're filing a police report (for the insurance claim, since the SF cops won't try to investigate crimes for which the local DA won't file charges), the responding officer will recommend that you stop in at the startup office closest to inquire about recovering your property (coders being the obvious prime suspect for smash-and-grab robberies and burglary of vehicles) and be sure to pay all due respect to the half-concious person either shooting up or shitting on the sidewalk (or if you're really lucky, both) in front of the entryway.
What is because he’s guilty of breaking the law? I’ll take S WORDS for two hundred Alex.
Hunter is definitely guilty of violating the law. Most people are fine with that. Of course, this is lawfare, and it is still okay. He got caught. It's like when your teenager complains about getting a speeding ticket and you just shake your head and say, "but you got caught". I for one think gun possession should be a privilege for the most part. If you beat your wife or get drunk 5 nights a week you shouldn't be able to own a gun. Same goes for crack.
I find Trump's crimes to be worse. He lied to us. He covered up an affair and got huge campaign benefits from the Inquirer. What does Pecker and the Inquirerer get out of the deal? This is a huge interference in democracy. Rich people rigging the game. Ask yourself, if Biden got together with CNN to control the election narrative would you be fine with that? The laws are there for a reason. I know I know, you all probably think Biden is doing just that. If you have proof say so, otherwise, don't bother with that argument. And if you want to go down that road look at Trump's relationship with FOX which is obvious. The thing is, with Trump and Pecker he got caught. Tough tucas Trump and Hunter. You both got caught. Now be accountable.
That law may be incompatible with the 2nd Amendment, and if the Supreme Court decides that it is, even Hunter Biden should have his case thrown out/conviction vacated. (Same goes for Trump's claim of immunity, but obviously, the consequences of that would not be comparable to Hunter's vindication.)
Under current law, if you've ever caught a criminal charge for domestic violence you're excluded from owning a gun, unless you work in Law Enforcement (a population which allegedly has a rate of domestic abuse of up to 40%).