Trump Promises To Give Police 'Immunity From Prosecution'
The pledge, while mostly legally illiterate, offers a reminder of the former president's outlook on government accountability.

Former President Donald Trump this week made his way to Wisconsin, a battleground state crucial to both his 2016 win and 2020 loss. The stakes, in other words, are high. So he made a few big promises to match.
One such promise: "We're going to give our police their power back," he told rallygoers in Waukesha, "and we are going to give them immunity from prosecution."
Between police and prosecutors, law enforcement officers are arguably already the most powerful people in government, so it's unclear what Trump means by giving them "their power back." His second promise, though—immunity from prosecution—is more concrete, and a reminder of the former president's views on government accountability.
There are, however, a few problems. Let's begin with the first: As president, Trump would be extremely constrained in immunizing anyone, including police officers, from prosecution, as most criminal proceedings are in state court where his power wouldn't apply. And while it's true that some officers are charged federally for alleged misconduct—where he could lobby the Department of Justice to refuse to charge any cop—those prosecutions are often in addition to state charges. As I've previously written, charging anyone, no matter how unsympathetic a defendant, in both state and federal court for the same alleged misconduct strains constitutional credulity. To put a stop to that, even temporarily, would be just. The reality remains, though, that no president, including Trump, can countermand state prosecutorial decisions.
Take Derek Chauvin, for instance, who was convicted in a Minnesota court of murdering George Floyd. After that trial concluded, he pleaded guilty to federal charges, for which Trump could certainly pardon him during another term in the Oval Office. And that would make no material difference in the amount of time Chauvin spends in prison, as his state sentence (22.5 years) and his federal sentence (21 years) are running concurrently, not consecutively. The only noticeable effect would be a change of venue, as Chauvin is currently incarcerated at the Federal Correctional Institution, Tucson.
It is also true that police officers are rarely prosecuted to begin with, despite a handful of high-profile trials that have captured public attention. No one should be criminally charged because the political moment appears to demand it. Similarly, no one should be immunized simply because it plays well with a political constituency.
But despite the overall legal illiteracy of Trump's promise, it's worth considering what it says about his general outlook on accountable government, or lack thereof, and if those with the most power should be held to the lowest standard.
That his answer to the above question is more or less a "yes" should not come as a surprise. During his term in office, Trump made it clear he would fight any legislation that sought to hamstring qualified immunity, the legal doctrine legislated into existence by the Supreme Court that bars alleged victims of misconduct from bringing civil suits against state and local government employees if the way in which those employees violated the Constitution has not been explicitly ruled unconstitutional in a prior court decision. It is why, for example, two California men were not able to sue the officers who allegedly stole over $225,000 from them during the execution of a search warrant, as there was no previous court ruling that said stealing under such circumstances is unconstitutional. (Federal law enforcement officers, meanwhile, are essentially already protected by absolute immunity.)
The most common objection to curtailing or ending qualified immunity is grounded in the fear that police officers will be bankrupted by breathless lawsuits. Those who are nervous about such an outcome can take comfort in the fact that, prior to any jury trial, plaintiffs must also show in federal court that their allegations concern conduct that was unconstitutional. More importantly, cops are almost always protected from having to pay damages themselves; a study conducted by UCLA law professor Joanna Schwartz found that governments paid the judgments 99.98 percent of the time. It's hard to know if Trump realizes this is the case, as he promised in December to "indemnify [police] against any and all liability." Whether or not that was a knowingly false promise or if he is genuinely unfamiliar with the law remains unclear.
But there's at least one thing that is clear: Trump would like law enforcement held to a lower standard than the little people. The former president has arguably never been a tried and true conservative, but he does need to court them. And it is difficult to make a conservative case for ensuring that those who enforce the law are also above it.
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Haven't we heard enough from Trump to know that he is not to be taken literally? Not saying that this isn't a flaw, but you can at least understanding that when you write a story.
People who haven't figured that out don't want to.
This kind of verbal diarrhea makes it hard not to loathe the man sometimes though.
Can you interpret for us? I don't want to watch it?
I want to know how he is going to hold the law enforcement officers that tried to frame him accountable, tbqh.
Pandering to the back the blue bootlickers is a losing message right here. But I do realize that I can't trust reason to report the appropriate context.
Help us out please?
Sorry, you're going to have to enact your own labor on that one. I try to take the weekend off from politics.
I think he mostly wants to be seen as strong and tough and to be adored by the crowd he is speaking to.
Hey Zeb, I know you’re usually smarter than to believe a biLLy biNiON claim about Trump without any link, or date, or location.
I did a little bit of Googling and the only evidence I’ve found so far for Trump saying this in Waukesha recently is this article reprinted on AOL and InkWell. Nothing else right now.
And look at how Binion “quoted” Trump:
One such promise: “We’re going to give our police their power back,” he told rallygoers in Waukesha, “and we are going to give them immunity from prosecution.”
Giving a disjointed one sentence excerpt with no link for us to review context should make the spidey sense of anyone who isn’t Sarcasmic, tingle.
There’s got to be video of this somewhere.
There’s got to be video of this somewhere
Here ya go.
https://twitter.com/apat10/status/1786451772933870079
Thanks, context is everything.
Can you possibly imagine a candidate engaging in hyperbole during a campaign?! My goodness, never happened, ever!
So, since everyone else lies it's OK for him to lie.
Since TDS-addled steaming piles of shit ignore other candidates' lies, it OK for TDS-addled steaming piles of shit to cherry-pick, it's OK for them to do so.
BTW, tell us, again, about how someone sitting in Pelosis' chair changed the J-6 protest from "peaceful" to a "violent" protest. Did that person sit in her chair "violently"? We'd all like to see the idiotic justification of your bullshit.
Didn't that guy take a large Sevo (e.g. piece of shit) on her desk?
May this utterly appropriate expression become part of the mainstream sewer that is the Reason comments section. (I aim low.)
"Didn’t that guy take a large Sevo (e.g. piece of shit) on her desk?"
Somebody mentioned some one took a large scotterbee (e.g. shit) in scotterbee's mouth and scotterbee was HAPPY!
"...(I aim low.)"
It's the limit of your abilities, asshole.
Dang, you're so good at this playground stuff. Do you spend much time there?
If you don't understand how entering the building changed everything then you aren't any better than the people who can't see any good in Trump.
"If you don’t understand how entering the building changed everything then you aren’t any better than the people who can’t see any good in Trump."
Got it, and saved it this time to make sure every one knows that you are of such idiocy that 'entering (a public) building' justifies murder and somehow turns a protest 'violent'.
Thank you for admitting such stupidity.
Ah, I see the problem. You think that just because you pay taxes you have a right to enter any building the government uses.
I'd love to see you try to march into almost any government building in DC without the right kind of ID much less a building where high muckity mucks do their work.
Head out to DC and try walking into the Senate Chambers and taking a seat in anyone office you come across. I mean, if it's perfectly legal then why should you worry?
I wont expect a reply because sane people know that people who do shit like that get tossed under the prison.
No, not really. But his lying should not be held to a different standard that other liars. One should not merrily excuse the lies told by Joe Biden then excoriate Trump for telling a similar class of lie. Or vice versa.
Funny how there is endless focus on Trump’s ‘lies’. Yet no focus on Biden’s endless lies. Many related to Biden using his son Hunter as a bagman for influence peddling, and likely treason.
Biden is full of shit too. He's not qualified to be president. He's not qualified to be Dog Catcher.
I agree. Binion is liar, and this is a hit piece. The usual leftist bullshit where they make unsupported claims about things he said, or ‘explain’ what he said.
The only people who don’t tune that out as white noise anymore are wacko democrats who aren’t capable of independent thought or reason.
"...This kind of verbal diarrhea makes it hard not to loathe the man sometimes though."
Yeah, the oh, so evolved among us demands perfection from a candidate, right?
Why not? We are looking for someone to take the reigns to the most powerful nation in the world. We have a Federal Government that imposes its will over the states and the citizens like no other has been able to do on history. Shouldn't we expect better from the people we vote on? Accepting low quality candidates has gotten us where we are today. It won't turn around if we keep accepting low quality candidates.
"Why not?..."
OK, folks, here is the ultimate expression of fucking imbecility.
Your 'Saviour' does not exist on earth or other than in your fantasies; perfection is not a possibility and the assumption that it might be is an admission of imbecility.
You have now proven yourself to be idiotic beyond redemption.
I'm not asking for perfection. Just better than Hillary, Biden, Trump, DeSantis, etc...
Trump so the best available choice this election cycle. Case closed.
Sadly, we can only elect someone who is on the ballot. Feel free to write in your unicorn.
Where do those worthless candidates come from? Typically their party asks them to run for an office because they think the person is electable. So why are they chosing lying sacks of shit? Because people like you keep voting for them. If the candidate your party offers you is a lying sack of shit you shouldn't vote for them. After a while the party would learn that lying sacks of shit aren't acceptable candidates.
One such promise: “We’re going to give our police their power back,” he told rallygoers in Waukesha, “and we are going to give them immunity from prosecution.”
…
so it’s unclear what Trump means by giving them “their power back.”
For those not generally aware, the distance from Kyle Rittenhouse’s home to Kenosha County is further than the distance from his home to Waukesha County.
So, when Binion says ‘so it’s unclear what Trump means by giving them “their power back.”‘ there’s a very real sense of “Trump has verbal diarrhea.” but there’s also a very real sense of “The media has selective retardation.”
The same selective retardation they’ve been displaying for two terms, if not more, to far greater detriment than any single President.
Fuck Binion. The citizens in Waukesha want to immunize their police against rioters with Trump’s blessing? Fuck right the hell off with your Globalist “libertarian” sensibilities. It's not your city, county, or state you fucking dishonest asshat.
OK, but should we take him seriously?...despite his apparent complete ignorance of the power of the president and the way US law works.
I take him seriously that he thinks he and the police should be above the law. Even though this cannot happen, you get a good indication of his view of the role of the state and power.
"I take him seriously..."
Which says quite a bit about you and absolutely nothing about Trump. And I have a feeling that comes as a surprise to you.
Yes, it comes as a surprise you didn't call me a TDS-addled shitpile.
And yes, but I'm not the only one that should be introspective about what my presuppositions of Trump mean about myself.
Could be that "senility" I've heard so much about lately...
Hearing from your younger relatives, asshole?
"Yes, it comes as a surprise you didn’t call me a TDS-addled shitpile."
Didn't have to; you've made it clear that you are.
Yes, my thinking about Trump is deranged…
Yes.
Ah yes, like those who insist that the bible is to be taken literally except when it isn't, with no guidance as to when we apply one test or the other.
Perhaps the most reasonable position is that what Trump says is indeed to be taken literally and he can he be criticised for it, and if in fact he doesn't mean it, then he's a liar.
The "Trump exception" is of course an authoritarian position to take.
I can’t wait to see what happens to you when he wins.
Fuck off, you snivelling weasel.
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of TDS-addled shit.
HAHA HA
Why don’t you “mute” me like all the smart guys do?
"Mute" doesn't generally require inverted commas except as used here.
I mute as few people as possible because there is always the (remote) chance that a resident idiot such as yourself comes up with something actually worth reading or thinking about. That would never happens with Sevo, for example, hence muting him makes sense.
Very, very occasionally, Scato does say something which isn't a cut-and-paste about excrement. I live for those precious moments.
^ Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of these two steaming piles of shit.
Hey Shrike, don’t you have some kiddie porn to watch?
"Ah yes, like those who insist that the bible is to be taken literally except when it isn’t"
And who is that, Shrikette? Do you have a name or example for your slur on the hoi polli?
Fuckwit, not every such comment is about people here - and nor was there any such implication. I was referring to posters I've encountered on other sites.
Asswipe, how was anyone to know that?
"I was referring to posters I’ve encountered on other sites."
Sure you were.
But what sites does a deep blue bot like you frequent, where the commenters would "insist that the bible is to be taken literally except when it isn’t”
I can't imagine you going to some sort of young earth creationism website unless it's for 50 cents a post.
Xitter? Troof Sociopath?
Sure you were.
Well, nothing I wrote indicated I wasn’t, and this is not the only forum in existence. Indeed, how stupid you are to assume that “those” is restricted just to the posters here.
But what sites does a deep blue bot like you frequent
Neither deep blue, nor a bot, but you know that, you dishonest POS.
There are or have been many fora where both fundies and rational people debate. Apparently you’d prefer a forum where all people are of one mind. I frequent very few fora nowadays, but I go back to 90s newsgroups. One example was the Talk.origins newsgroup. You would get creos on those sites – some merely trying to change minds, others, trying to save souls. Then there were website-based fora such as worldcrossing - a few people here might remember that one - where it was easy enough for people to set up their own fora.
Many other sites ran proper fora with sub-fora specifically devoted to topics like evolution – NYTimes did so for years IIRC – while comments sections of sites such as The American Conservative (which used to be a fine site until Rod Dreher went nuts.) had plenty of discussions on the subject.
That you are unaware of all of this isn’t evidence of anything but your own ignorance.
Were you born an execrable piece of work, or did you spend many years studying to become one?
You’re deep blue.
Case closed.
No one thinks both of those things.
Either you're a fundamentalist that believes in biblical inerrancy or you're the sort that believes it's all parables.
Diet Shrike was smearing for dramatic effect.
No one thinks both of those things.
Wrong-o.
Ask a biblical literalist or inerrantist to explain the discrepancy between the two creation accounts in Genesis.
"...The “Trump exception” is of course an authoritarian position to take."
Here is the obnoxiously arrogant piece of 'non-authoritarian' shit's view of official murder:
SRG2 12/23/23
“Then strode in St Ashli, clad in a gown of white samite and basking in celestial radiance, walking calmly and quietly through the halls of Congress as police ushered her through doors they held open for her, before being cruelly martyred for her beliefs by a Soros-backed special forces officer with a Barrett 0.50 rifle equipped with dum-dum bullets.”
Why not just load her in a gas chamber, statist scum-bag?
That was amusing. Thanks for sharing.
Glad another steaming pile of shit found it amusing. Fuck off and die, asshole.
How's that working for ya?
As someone who is not amused by official murder (unlike steaming assholes like you), quite well.
How's being a steaming asshole working out for you?
Agreed.
Mind you, I plan on voting for him because he pisses so many people off in such entertaining ways. Neither party wants to work with him so not a lot gets done and we get 4 years of apoplectic media.
I'd never vote for him thinking he will do so much for individual liberty, only the truly delusional can think that.
Hey, tell us, as you did a couple of days ago, how someone sitting in Pelosi's chair changed the protest from "peaceful" to "violent".
Was that person "violently" sitting in that chair?
You understand that the office of a Senator, of either party, is not a place open to the public. There may be classified materials in such an office. Classified materials that if taken and given to a sympathetic media outlet could be quite embarrassing to the Federal Governmet. Thus this blessed Saint of your Most Holy Order of Buttmunches committed an actual crime by entering her office. Getting his picture taken while sitting in a Senators chair was icing on the cake. No way he can try to claim he thought he was entering a bathroom. Nope. He sat their and posed for a picture proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that he not only entered an off limits building but entered the private office of a Senator. Pretty much convicting him without the prosecution needing to do more than prove the date the picture was taken and point out the moron sitting at the defense table.
I don't get how you don't understand that he committed a crime AND posed for a fucking selfie while committing the crime. He made himself the headline photo.
Well, at least it's an ethos.
"Haven’t we heard enough from Trump to know that he is not to be taken literally?"
If you intend to observe that no smart person believes a fucking word Trump says, good point!
(Half-educated, superstitious, worthless bigots seem to consider Trump's words gospel, though.)
Must be tough for you right now. You kept harping on the inevitable extinction of 'the bitter clingers' yet your precious Progressives are in shambles and 30 years of the march through the institutions is being wound back right on what you thought was the cusp of victory and the end of history.
You figure conservative bigotry, superstition, and backwardness are about to mount a huge comeback and reverse the tide of the culture war?
You sense Hillsdale, Oral Roberts, Liberty, and Wheaton are about to overtake Harvard, Columbia, Penn, and Yale?
You see West Virginia, Idaho, Alabama, and Wyoming as positioned to become national leaders rather than parasitic, half-educated, can't-keep-up laughingstocks?
Are you also waiting for a rapture, judgment day, the Tooth Fairy, and Santa Claus?
Fuck off and die, asshole bigot. Make the world a better place.
Hey, Wyoming is a nice place. Don't go tossing that state in with Alabama.
Fuck off and die, asshole bigot.
Open wider, clinger.
Or not. Your comfort is a diminishing concern among your betters.
Fuck off and die, asshole bigot; make your family happy.
You make a solid point. Those who disagree with you on this only serve to prove you right.
Hey, please tell us, as you did a couple of days ago, how someone sitting in Pelosi’s chair changed the protest from “peaceful” to “violent”.
Was that person “violently” sitting in that chair?
So, you're just a fucking idiot who keeps proving his reading comprehension skills are sub par.
Artie has never in his life made a solid point.
Hey
Hardly seems worse than ignoring immigration laws and student loan contracts. Biden says "If you break the immigration law, we won't prosecute you." gives illegal aliens immunity. Gives the middle finger to SCOTUS over student loans, giving deadbeats immunity from their contracts.
Panic-stricken semiliterate Trumpanzee MAGAt detected.
"Not to be taken literally"? Sure, because who wants a president who says what he means and means what he says?
Where do I get my decoder ring?
Most. Libertarian. President. Ever. **swoon**
Hey Sarcasmic. Google "Trump Promises To Give Police 'Immunity From Prosecution'" and tell me how many articles not written by Billy Binion come up.
Then tell us why Binion's quote is disjointed and he didn't provide a link to the quote.
Chauvin could be a reasonable pardon.
"Reasonable", as in won't make a blind bit of difference to his sentence, but might win him some votes?
Just as it was "reasonable" for Trump to promise to pardon the J6 hostages if he's re-elected, rather than actually pardon them when he was still in office: think of the mileage he's gotten out of keeping them in jail for four years!
"...Just as it was “reasonable” for Trump to promise to pardon the J6 hostages if he’s re-elected, rather than actually pardon them when he was still in office..."
Perhaps, but there were few (<200?) arrested prior to the (peaceful) transfer of the office to droolin' Joe, and little indication of what was in store for them:
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/965472049/the-capitol-siege-the-arrested-and-their-stories
(note the lies regarding physical harm and deaths)
Dude, who seized control of your account?
Trump had almost three weeks to research the issue as much as he wanted and have his lawyers craft a comprehensive or targeted full pardon of all persons for their actions in that place on that day. They didn't need to have been charged or even identified.
Only Trump knows why he issued hundreds of other pardons during his last weeks in office, but didn't bother helping the "hostages" in any way. But I can guess.
"...Trump had almost three weeks to research the issue..."
THREE WEEKS?!
Stuff your TDS up your ass; your head is begging for company.
What exactly was confusing about the legal peril of the J6 "hostages"?
I know Trump isn't quite the "stable genius" you are, but you'd think with the best legal minds in the country at his disposal (Rudy doesn't count), he could have at least have given it a try.
Nope! They get to sit in jail for four years, singing cheery songs and serving as MAGA role models, until he (maybe) returns to office and finally gets the job done. I'm sure they won't mind.
"What exactly was confusing about the legal peril of the J6 “hostages”?..."
OK, folks, we've got a live one here, and willing to make a public ass of himself to prove it!
I hope Chauvin experiences the hardest and longest time that can lawfully be arranged.
Role models are important.
Lol. Your hopes become less relevant by the day. You thought you were on the cusp of victory, only to find out that your foot soldiers are retarded. Hence your amplified bitterness.
Now go take some tampons and juice boxes to your valiant revolutionaries. This lot will be ready to dictate permissions to the clingers……. never.
Haha.
So a Washington DC police officer could murder someone, possibly even Trump himself, and not face prosecution -- according to Trump.
Trump should rethink this.
Except for the trump part, that already happens.
Officer Byrd murdered Ashi Babbit and has suffered nothing.
Knock, knock.
Who's there?
Not Ashli Babbitt. Not anymore.
Fuck off and die, bigoted asshole.
Hey Kirkland!
Knock, knock.
Who’s there?
Not Horst Wessel. Not anymore.
Hey, not JFK either, and he could have caused more damage than that tin-pot-dictator wanna-be FDR!
Don't know who Horst Wessel is. Don't care.
Don't wonder what Ashli Babbitt would have done with the rest of her life. Don't much care. She played a stupid game. won the stupid grand prize.
Fuck off and die, asshole bigot.
Horst Wessel is Germany's Christian National Socialist version of Silvershirt hero John Birch--set to music two decades earlier.
Washington DC police...Capitol Police...have already murdered someone and not faced any consequences from it.
Re-whut? Repray?
For a guy who cruised to the presidency based purely on the fact that his initials don't happen to be "HRC" it's pretty astounding that after eight years the man has not learned to shut the fuck up, sit there quietly, and do absolutely nothing. He would have been the most adored president since George Washington. Instead, he has always and continues to do the opposite of that.
TDS-addled shitpiles still hope Trump will turn into one more swamp critter so they can vote for him with slack-jawed smiles on their faces.
He's an asshole former Democrat from New York City. Shutting up isn't his strong suit. He simply is physically and psychologically incapable of not talking when a camera or microphone is in front of him.
Would you please tell us, as you did a couple of days ago, how someone sitting in Pelosi’s chair changed the protest from “peaceful” to “violent”.
Was that person “violently” sitting in that chair?
Fuck you. Thats how.
I've made the same comment before.
Any number of times in the last debates when Biden was just about to wander off into dementia-induced ramblings, or was about to say something incredibly stupid, Trump just could NOT STFU for 5 seconds. He could not keep from bloviating at every single instance long enough to let Biden dig his own grave.
Mean tweets are one thing, but ceaseless harangues during the debates helped certify that Trump is a self-aggrandizing bully.
This season, Trump could probably do really well by just running ads showing Obama speeches on illegal immigration, Bill Clinton speeches on illegal immigration, Chuck Schumer speeches on illegal immigration from before they all 180’d “I’m Donald Trump, and I endorse this message.” and then shut up.
That would be brilliant.
Too bad Trump can't do that.
s if you needed another reason not to vote for Trump. He just keeps shelling out stupidity and corruption. If the Dems would have nominated almost anyone but Biden, Trump would be losing by double digits.
So guess who is really stupid.
Sadly Trump is still over a billion, 300 million, trillion, 300 million times better than Biden.
Happily, by his actions, he's the best POTUS we've had since Silent Cal.
300 bazillion times 0 is still 0.
Which is why they are often neck and neck.
Perhaps you could tell us, as you did a couple of days ago, how someone sitting in Pelosi’s chair changed the protest from “peaceful” to “violent”.
Was that person “violently” sitting in that chair?
Or if you don't own such, are you going to make me copy and paste such imbecility, asshole?
You keep asking the same thing. Are you on the spectrum?
Both are kleptocracy looters. The girl-bullier is a little more cowardly, like its fanboys.
If Republicans had nominated almost anyone else they'd be winning by triple digits. How hard can it be to find someone who
A) Has a pulse
B) Hasn't tried to violently overthrow the country
About as hard as it seems to be for you to post something not embarrassing:
"Hasn’t tried to violently overthrow the country"
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
What a novel and intelligent argument. You should get in contact with Mr. Trump's lawyers. When the jury hears that fantastically compelling statement I'm sure they'll acquit.
Seek help. Your devotion to the orange clown is not healthy.
Exactly how did he try to violently overthrow the country?
Pack a lunch and bring a cot; you'll be here all day and night before you get a coherent answer from such an imbecilic steaming pile of TDS-addled shit.
No one has ever been able to explain how Trump tried to violently overthrow the country.
n00bdragon is a steaming pile of TDS addled shit, lacking enough self-awareness to know.
Simply an ignoramus.
"What a novel and intelligent argument."
What an imbecilic steaming pile of TDS-addled shit.
"Seek help. Your devotion to the orange clown is not healthy."
Perhaps, as a TDS addled steaming pile of shit, you might offer some support for your asshollery?
No? Why is that not surprising? Perhaps it has to do with your IQ of 80 or so.
Fuck off and die, imbecilic piece of shit.
Ah, that's our Scato.
Responding to TDS-addled assholery such as you well exhibit.
B) Hasn’t tried to violently overthrow the country
"I miss W." - n00bdragon
Seriously, it's sad.
C) Isn't barking mad to send goons with guns to bully girls and shoot hippies. The differences are in the platforms the idjits try to read while moving their lips.
But they *did* nominate Biden.
So what does that say about the Democratic Party that they think Biden is their best.
That they're almost as stupid as the Republicans?
Fortunately, not as stupid as you.
You're like my little puppy now. Down boy!
Only if your 'puppy' calls you on your constant bullshit, fuckface.
If that's what Trump says it's fine for how.... because he's demonstrated in the past that when he gets serious and ready to actually do something he takes input and will change his plan.
Somebody wants the pig lobby money.
Yeah, thats about it. Police unions are powerful and rich. Best not piss them off by talking about individual liberty.
Maybe you could tell us, as you did a couple of days ago, how someone sitting in Pelosi’s chair changed the protest from “peaceful” to “violent”.
Was that person “violently” sitting in that chair?
Or if you don’t own such, are you going to make me copy and paste such imbecility, asshole?
Already done dipshit.
>The pledge, while mostly legally illiterate, offers a reminder of the former president's outlook on government accountability.
Now do Biden.
Or are we in the 'reluctantly but strategically' window now?
Rember when Binion examined *any* droolin' Joe speech or appearance for anything at all, like, perhaps coherency?
Me neither, but *TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!*
Says “pause ” out loud from the teleprompter.
Never gets old.
Brandyshit is among them; he admitted that Trump was the best POTUS since Silent Cal, but he wouldn't vote for him, seemingly because that was no (L) behind his name. You want party partisanship, look no further than brain-damaged LP party members.
Ditto the assholic Inquisitive Squirrel and the abysmally stupid n00bdragon, above: Nope, not perfect! and in the case of that idiotic n00bdragon, he had to invent a totally imaginary 'crime'.
Fuck the lot of them with a barb-wire-wrapped broom stick; they OWN what we have.
"Utopia isn't an option", and neither are perfect (ELECTABLE) candidates.
Disaffected, bigoted, antisocial, on-the-spectrum, right-wing misfits are among my favorite culture war casualties.
Mocking and scorning these clingers never gets old.
Asshole bigots are my least favorite steaming piles of shit; you should all fuck off and die.
Trump will bring the federal government the screeching halt. Which is what needs to happen to give the government breathing room space it can keep on with fiscal stupidity. Then someone more palatable to the "swamp" will come along and start speeding towards doom again
Biden will push the accelerator to the floor and drive us off a cliff. Which will be a good thing in the long run.
So, if I vote strategically, Biden is a good call. If I vote Tacticaly, I vote Trump, because he's fun. The media gets so angry they spray spittle with every sentance about Trump they have to say.
You might tell us, as you did a couple of days ago, how someone sitting in Pelosi’s chair changed the protest from “peaceful” to “violent”.
Was that person “violently” sitting in that chair?
Or if you don’t own such, are you going to make me copy and paste such imbecility, asshole?
This pile of shit did make the claim that the J-6 protest was "peaceful" until "some asshat sat in Pelosi's chair" (!).
In which case, the entire protest turned from "peaceful" into an attempt to "overturn our democracy".
Hey, asswipe! You gonna own what you claimed? Or hope no one noticed?
Still waiting. Are you embarrassed by such a statement? Or hoping no one noticed such stupidity?
Still waiting for an answer.
Hmm. MrMxyzptlk seems incapable of responding to multiple requests for an explanation. Perhaps MrMxyzptlk is but one more steaming pile of TDS addled shit?
Certainly looking like that.
Stuff your TDS up your ass, fuck-face, your head is asking for company.
Four times in a row? You have to be on the spectrum.
Strategically and tactically are synonyms. Get a thesaurus you idiot.
And no, that's not some kind of dinosaur.
Strategically and tactically are synonyms.
You can't play chess, I assume.
Yeah, they're not synonyms. Tactics wins a battle, strategy wins a war.
I guess it is safe to say that the both of you did not even check a thesaurus before you showed your stupidity. Page 282 of The New International Webster's Pocket Thesaurus of the English language (new revised edition). Tactics and strategy are synonyms. Subsequently if you add the same suffix to both words they are still synonyms. They won the battle because of their strategy. They won the battle because of their tactics. They are interchangeable. Check mate. Next time look before you speak.
Just for shits and giggles , I looked up the word "tactics". It is defined as an action or STRATEGY to achieve a specific end.This took only five seconds to check online. Just in case you guys don't trust source books.
Ummm...did you know that a thesaurus is not a dictionary? Surprisingly, although they both feature lots and lots of words, they don't actually have the same purpose. A thesaurus is great for finding another word which has a similar meaning, but only a dictionary gives you the subtle differences between words with similar meanings.
Like the difference between 'strategy' and 'tactics'. Try looking them up in a dictionary next time. You're welcome!
Umm, did you bother to look up the definitions yourself.
Strategy: A plan of action designed to achieve an over all aim.
Tactic: An action or strategy to achieve an end.
Though the definitions do not use the exact wording they are saying the same thing. You will have to get over your fear of synonyms to understand. In this case the phrases an over all aim and an end are also synonymous.
The thesaurus is indeed full of words, words you do not understand.
Did you even attempt to search "strategy vs tactics". Google says there's About 485,000,000 results.
E.g., "The complementary nature of strategy and tactics has defined their intertwined existence. In the military realm, tactics teach the use of armed forces in engagements, while strategy teaches the use of engagements to achieve the goals of the war. Just as the term “strategy” originated with the Greeks, so too did the term “tactics.”
The original meaning of “tactics” is “order”, literally the “ordering of formations on the battlefield.” Chinese General Sun Tzu described the difference this way: “All the men can see the tactics I use to conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which great victory is evolved.” Fast forward to business today and we see the two terms misused, confused and abused in many different ways. The difference between strategy and tactics is often described as “strategy is long-term and tactics are short-term.” While the two terms may adopt these characteristics at certain times, this is an inaccurate and incomplete way of explaining their meanings.
Though I tend to agree with your comparison of the two words, it is the use i take issue with. Yes ideed, tactics can be thought of as steps in a strategy. In your scenario you can vote for Trump or you can vote for Bidon. Both are singular acts that are part of an over all plan. One will bring the government to a screeching halt that in context is good. The other will run us off a cliff, that is also good according to context. By the business standard, both votes are a tactic in an over all srategy. It is your context and usage that give them equal footing.
Well, some people can't admit they are wrong.
A Trump vote is tactical because it simply fullfills a short term goal. Like using a move and fire tactic to take a hill or defeat a pillbox. Voting for Trump satisfies my short term goal of being entertained. Thus it is a tactical vote. It has little to no impact in the long term. Trump is irrelevant to the progress of government just like one pillbox or hill isn't going to affect the long term winning or losing of a war.
Voting for Biden is strategic because it is a long term view of politics like a long term view of a war. Placing Biden in office allows the enemy to proceed as they were like strategically not using the intelligence gathered from cracking the Enigma Code in WWII to save a single town because that knowledge would be better used to win the war. Biden is like that code. Where he is with what his people think is a mandate to spend until the bitter end they will drive up prices, inflation, taxes and all the bad things making more and more people see that their enemy is the government no matter who is in charge. It is a strategy of sacrificing short term benefit for long term gain.
Sadly, a lexicographer's job is descriptive, not prescriptive.
They document the common usage of words, words that may be used by complete idiots with no real understanding of the difference between words with similar meanings despite distinctions that may exist between them. Thus, a dictionary or thesaurus may show definitions that mark the words as synonyms because people cannot be bothered distinguish between them and commonly interchange them.
One might make the same argument you made: that "He got fired," means the same as "He got laid off," in that the subject no longer has a job. But in most people's mind, I think there's a difference.
P.S., Not to mention, it's why the word "literally" now means, "not literally" in some dictionaries.
I had one idiot tell me "could care less" now means the same as "couldn't care less" because language evolves...
Fortunately he was the only idiot trying to make that argument. Everyone else called him a fucking moron.
My favorite part is where they highlight the difference between tactics and strategy by citing the page in the thesaurus and painting themselves into a rhetorical corner with no way out. Like people reading this (as in, the internet, at any point ever) are going to think “Well, the grammar Nazis citing their own thesaurus *must* be right.” and promptly destroy the part of their brain that’s telling them “OK, they mean highly similar things but I understand the notion that “tactics are not strategy” the way I understand squares and quadrangles are synonymous but not the same thing.”
I blame the media. Journalism majors must not take many English courses because when you look into what references the dictionaries use to change the usage of a word 90% of the time they reference how the word was used in a newspaper.
LOUDER.
Well, paint my ass red and call me a baboon. Wait. Maybe it's you who need your ass painted red and be called a baboon... after all, you're wrong.
Hey, asshole MrMxyzptlk, care to comment on your idiocy, or possibly admit that you are a lying fuck-face piece of shit? Still waiting.
Somebody not taking your candy? Perhaps it smells a little funny.
Somebody made an ass of himself as you commonly do and now doesn't see to want to admit it.
You're used to being in that position; you know what it's like.
Having a yappy little puppy following me around, pooping constantly? Yes, I'm aware.
No, asswipe, being called on your constant bullshit.
Dude. Get a diagnosis and some medication.
I just realized that you may be so developmentally disabled (or retarded as we used to say) that you really don't get symbolism at all and you think that moron who sat in Pelosis chair was just a picture of a guy in somebody's chair.
When you saw the image from Tienaman Square of the guy standing in front of the tank did you get any meaning beyond thinking he was an idiot for standing in the way of a tank? When Reagan said, "Mister Gorbachev,tear down this wall." Did you think that Reagan meant that the he wanted the premier of the Soviet Union to physically come with tools and take the Berlin Wall down?
You must, because the fuckwit sitting in Pelosi's chair didn't commit a litteral act of violence. Litteral by the way does not mean the same as figurative, don't bother with a thesarus. He provided the symbol of the change from what was likely a peaceful protest into a violent protest.
Most of the video taken of that evening isn't clear and it's hard to make a call on who did what to whom on most of it. But that half wit sitting in Pelosi's chair gave the opposition a perfect symbol of the protest turning violent.
There he was clearly trespassing in the Halls of Congress. Not just sitting on a bench in an unrecognizable corner of the building but behind a Senators desk posing for a fucking picture like he belonged there.
At that point it was clear the peaceful protest that was going on outside was not then peacefully touring the building with the police. It was clear they were out of control and running around where they were not welcome.
Even if a policeman escorted this guy to her office and let him in to sit at the chair and take a selfie the symbolism of that image gave a narrative to those capable of experiencing symbolism that the protest was no longer peaceful. You see, there was no image of his entry to the room. No information to show context. It was just the absolutely wrong guy in the totally wrong place.
Just like the pro Palestinian protestors who took over a building, sort of took a janitor hostage and demanded food service along with some really weird shit clearly stepped over the line from what might have been a peaceful protest into the violent riot territory. At that point normal folks stopped thinking right to protest and started thinking send in the cops to bust heads.
Is any of this getting through to you?
That's a really really deep dive into obvious politicking that hasn't the slightest chance of seeing reality.
Similarly, no one should be immunized simply because it plays well with a political constituency.
So if people are being accosted in the streets, denied free/fair access to public spaces like schools and universities, and spied on by the FBI, they shouldn’t be given special accommodations legislatively simply because it plays well with a political constituency?
Once again you shit stupid retards, you’re the ones that stood in front of burning police stations and said “Mostly peaceful”. You’re the ones grandstanding for FIRE defending activist professors. You’re the ones who said, “Kyle Rittenhouse shouldn’t have been there.” WTF did you think was going to happen?
Reason must be the only place MAGAts can congregate and spew without the danger of being overheard by women voters. Before the 1980 first wave of anarco-fascist infiltraitors, the LP was popular with anatomically correct ladies.