The New York Times Again Worries That Free Speech Endangers Democracy
The newspaper portrays the constitutional challenge to the government's social media meddling as a conspiracy by Donald Trump's supporters.

On Monday, the U.S. Supreme Court is scheduled to hear oral arguments in Murthy v. Missouri, which raises the question of when government efforts to suppress "misinformation" on social media violate the First Amendment. Neglecting that central question, The New York Times portrays the case as part of a conspiracy by Donald Trump's supporters to undermine democracy by promoting false claims that mislead voters and threaten the peaceful transfer of power.
"In a world of unlimited online communications" where "anyone can reach huge numbers of people with unverified and false information," Times reporters Jim Rutenberg and Steven Lee Myers ask, "where is the line between protecting democracy and trampling on the right to free speech?" This is not the first time that Myers has described freedom of speech as a threat to democracy. Last year, he worried that "the First Amendment has become, for better or worse, a barrier to virtually any government efforts to stifle a problem that, in the case of a pandemic, threatens public health and, in the case of the integrity of elections, even democracy itself." The purported conflict between free speech and democracy is a bizarre and highly misleading way to frame the issues raised by Murthy.
When Biden administration officials persistently pressured social media platforms to curtail speech those officials viewed as dangerous, Rutenberg and Myers say, they were trying to "balance free speech with democratic rights" and "seeking a delicate balance between the First Amendment and social media's rising power over public opinion." The implication is that government officials have the authority to weigh freedom of speech against competing values on a case-by-case basis. But that is not the way the First Amendment works.
The First Amendment bars the government from "abridging the freedom of speech," full stop. As interpreted by the Supreme Court, that command applies to all sorts of speech, no matter how inaccurate, misleading, controversial, offensive, or hateful it might be, unless it fits into one of several narrowly defined exceptions, such as defamation, true threats, fraud, obscenity, and incitement to "imminent lawless action."
The speech that worries Rutenberg and Myers, such as false claims about COVID-19 vaccines and fraud in the 2020 presidential election, does not fit into any of those exceptions. It is therefore constitutionally protected, precluding any ad hoc attempt to balance the value of allowing it against the risks that might entail.
The Biden administration concedes as much. "No one disputes that the government would have violated the First Amendment if it had used threats of adverse government action to coerce private social-media platforms into moderating content," it says. "But no such threats occurred here."
The dispute in Murthy centers on whether federal officials' interactions with Facebook et al. amounted to "significant encouragement" of censorship and/or crossed the line between persuasion and coercion. While civil liberties groups disagree about the answer to that question, they agree that it needs to be addressed.
The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) is urging the Supreme Court to uphold the 5th Circuit's conclusion that "executive branch agencies violated the First Amendment by interfering with private moderation decisions." Those agencies, FIRE says, "used both carrot and stick tactics to achieve indirectly what the Constitution prohibits [when it is done] directly: governmental control over social media moderation decisions."
FIRE sees "substantial evidence" that the White House, the FBI, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security
Agency "engaged in unlawful 'significant encouragement' by placing persistent pressure on platforms to change their moderation policies." Some federal officials, it says, "became so entangled with social media platform moderation policies that they were able to effectively rewrite the platforms' policies from the inside."
FIRE also agrees with the 5th Circuit that some of these communications qualified as coercive. "White House officials issued 'urgent, uncompromising demands to moderate
content' and used 'foreboding, inflammatory, and hyper-critical phraseology' when social media companies failed to moderate content in the way they requested or as quickly as officials desired," it says. "Demands to remove specific posts 'ASAP,' the use of words and phrases like 'you are hiding the ball,' and officials warning they are 'gravely concerned' made clear the threats to social media companies were 'phrased virtually as orders.' And officials repeatedly 'refuse[d] to take "no" for an answer and pester[ed]' the social media companies until they 'succumb[ed].' More ominously, they 'threatened—both expressly and implicitly—to retaliate against inaction.'"
The record "contains copious evidence that the social media platforms understood communications from the White House and FBI agents to be threats and acted accordingly," FIRE says. "For example, a social media platform expressly agreed to 'adjust [its] policies' to reflect the changes sought by officials. And several social media platforms 't[ook] down content, including posts and accounts that originated from the United States, in direct compliance with' a request from the FBI that they delete 'misinformation' on the eve of the 2022 congressional election. When the White House and FBI 'requested' the platforms to jump, they ultimately, if reluctantly, asked how high."
FIRE adds that the White House and the FBI "threatened 'adverse consequences' to social media platforms if they failed to comply." When the platforms' content moderation "was too slow for the White House's liking, officials publicly accused them of 'killing people'" and "privately threatened them with antitrust enforcement, repeal of Section 230 immunities, and other 'fundamental reforms' to make sure the platforms were 'held accountable.'"
In addition to those "express threats," FIRE says, "both White House and FBI officials' statements contained implied threatened consequences because those officials are backed by the 'awesome power' wielded by the federal executive branch. For example, White House officials frequently alluded to the President's potential involvement should social media platforms not moderate content to their satisfaction." And "as a federal enforcement agency that conducts various internet investigations," the FBI "has tools at its disposal to force a platform to take down content."
The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), which filed a Murthy brief in support of neither side, sees the situation somewhat differently. It worries that too broad an injunction against government interaction with social media platforms could preclude useful and constitutionally permissible contacts that inform Facebook et al. of misinformation threats they might want to counter by applying their own rules. But even EFF thinks some of these contacts can plausibly be viewed as coercive. EFF mentions Deputy Assistant to the President Rob Flaherty's "communications to Facebook regarding specific Tucker Carlson and Tomi Lahren posts expressing COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy," which it describes as "at least a close case that should likely be resolved against the government."
Rutenberg and Myers' article, by contrast, barely acknowledges that Murthy raises any legitimate First Amendment concerns at all. Instead they worry that the Supreme Court's decision "could curtail the government's latitude in monitoring content online." To be clear: Rutenberg and Myers think that would be bad.
As they see it, Trump's stolen-election fantasy poses a clear and present danger to democracy, as evidenced by the Capitol riot that interrupted congressional ratification of Joe Biden's victory. They note that Trump, after being banished from social media in the wake of the riot, is now back on those platforms, free to promote his phony grievance as he tries to unseat Biden in this year's election. Worse, "Facebook and YouTube announced that they would reverse their restrictions on content claiming that the 2020 election was stolen." As a result, "the torrent of disinformation that the previous efforts had slowed, though not stopped, has resumed with even greater force."
Trump's banishment, of course, was the result of private decisions by private companies, as was his restoration. The decisions at issue in Murthy, by contrast, were made in the context of unrelenting government pressure that the Biden administration argues was constitutionally permissible. Rutenberg and Myers clearly agree.
When social media platforms crack down on controversial speech at the government's behest, users are apt to think twice before expressing opinions that might offend the authorities. But Rutenberg and Myers are not worried about such self-censorship. Instead they worry that constitutional objections to the government's social media meddling have had a "chilling effect" on efforts to curtail online speech.
To emphasize the need for such intervention, Rutenberg and Myers quote Jen Easterly, director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency. "We're in the business of critical infrastructure, and the most critical infrastructure is our cognitive infrastructure," Easterly said at a 2021 conference, "so building that resilience to misinformation and disinformation, I think, is incredibly important." She promised to "work with our partners in the private sector and throughout the rest of the government and at the [Department of Homeland Security] to continue to ensure that the American people have the facts that they need to help protect our critical infrastructure."
Ensuring that Americans "have the facts" is one thing. It involves responding to "misinformation and disinformation" by citing countervailing evidence. But when fighting "misinformation and disinformation" entails government-encouraged censorship of controversial speech, it raises obvious First Amendment concerns. The very idea of a government agency charged with guarding "our cognitive infrastructure" should set off alarm bells for anyone who values freedom of thought and freedom of speech.
The fact that Rutenberg and Myers do not hear those bells suggests they assume that Orwellian mission can only affect speech they do not like, because the government will inerrantly distinguish between "misinformation" and worthwhile content. That is a pretty shortsighted view for people whose work depends on a constitutional provision that bars the government from enforcing such judgments.
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"The newspaper portrays the constitutional challenge to the government's social media meddling as a conspiracy by Donald Trump's supporters."
Heaven forbid the great unwashed should be able to access information absent control by the government or self- appointed proven liars.
How will the little people know what to believe? New York Times readers don't know what to believe until they're told, and they're the great and the good.
The Hoi Polloi might believe all sorts of unhelpful things if they're allowed to hear everything.
The private businesses getting rich from colluding with government propaganda fear free speech.
No shit Sherlock!
This is the Nazi asshole who wants to criminalize lying.
Since I’m no Nazi, and cannot be demonstrated to be one, you’re a liar.
It’s no surprise that you oppose the criminalization of the coercion of lying.
Jews, not Nazis, are committing a holocaust in Gaza.
Why do you hate Nazis?
"...Jews, not Nazis, are committing a holocaust in Gaza..."
Lying pile of stinking Nazi shit.
The world has recognized that Jews are currently committing a holocaust in Gaza and are denying it even though they’re on trial for genocide today in the United Nations international court of justice.
Biden is funding the genocide making him and the US complicit. How does that make you feel?
Netanyahu is responsible for telling the IDF to commit ideological genocide by referencing the Jewish biblical genocide against women and children with the story of AMALEK. Clearly inciting genocide. With over 20,000 non combatant women and children intentionally targeted and killed and IDF soldiers on record rejoicing about it referencing amalek, the effect of Netanyahus instructions are clear.
Israeli defence minister Yoav Gallant said Israel was fighting “human animals” and that they will be “starved of food and water” which Israel has done and continues to do.
Amichay Eliyahu, the minister for heritage, who suggested dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza; Israel isn’t supposed to have nuclear weapons. Saddam Hussein was hung for crimes against humanity and he didn’t even have WMD much less threaten to use them.
The country’s mainly ceremonial president, Isaac Herzog, who described Palestinians as “an entire nation out there that is responsible” demonstrates the genocidal intention.
These statements in combination with their actual execution clearly meets the UN definition and criteria for genocide aka holocaust.
And the Houthis are the only ones with the balls to do anything about it.
CAN'T STOP THE HOUTHI!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean this site defended the collusion with government to censor conservatives for years.
And Sullum remains a TDS-addled steam pile of shit who owes apologies to any and all who found Trump to be the best POTUS for the last hundred years.
Hey, shit-bag Sullum! Care to dispute that to support your imbecility? Have at it; I read a LOT of history, and I'm quite certain you have no facts to dispute the claim, asshole.
"...unless it fits into one of several narrowly defined exceptions, such as defamation, true threats, fraud, obscenity, and incitement to 'imminent lawless action.'"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-campaign-rally-trump-says-there-will-be-bloodbath-if-he-loses-november-election/
In Ohio campaign rally, Trump says there will be a “bloodbath” if he loses November election
“And if Spermy Daniels doesn’t show up on time in the middle of the night, for my assorted short-notice goings-on and making of campaign porn videos… Handlers and flunkies take note… There will be a BLOODBATH!!!”
Hey, butt don't worry, Dear Leader can NOT incite vile violence, 'cause He has Absolute Immunity!
Misinformation. The 'bloodbath' to which he was referring was that of the economic kind, to the auto industry in particular.
https://newrepublic.com/article/179885/bloodbath-trump-auto-industry-media
CAR TALK
“Bloodbath”-Gate: Yes, Trump Meant the Auto Industry. At First, Anyway
The media may have taken the former president out of context this weekend, but adding it back does him no favors.
OK, I see the context now, thanks!
I also see LOUD and EXTREME Trump threats to "specially protect" the USA auto industry. What if ALL of us workers in ALL USA industries get "special protection", and we trade with NO ONE? Answer is, we ALL pay out the ass for EVERYTHING! Also, trade wars can lead to shooting wars! Where goods and services don't pass through, boots and armies soon might! Economic interdependence militates against militaristic wars!
Using the term "bloodbath" is also piss-poor judgment on Trump's part in the first place, in view of his many past veiled threats against judges, etc.
It's all Biden's scandalous influence : Disinformation Governance Board (DGB) would have been cruelly mocked in my early days.Are fools multiplying like rabbits 🙂
"“The newspaper portrays the constitutional challenge to the government’s social media meddling as a conspiracy by Donald Trump’s supporters.”
Heaven forbid the great unwashed should be able to access information absent control by the government or self- appointed proven liars."
All that needs to be done is to include the media in these kinds of bills/laws.
They might THEN decide this is a bad idea.
It is always easy to support censoring everybody EXCEPT yourself.
Well, it's easy for true assholes anyway.
I've been accused of being an asshole plenty of times, and perhaps it's true but the sad part is I have never once tried to outlaw the opinions of the people who may think I'm an asshole. Even the furthest left progressive communists you can find.
I'm quite happy for them to challenge me on any subject, it's really not my fault they have the intellectual depth of a kiddie pool or that they rely on emotion rather than reason.
I've been challenged on many subjects right here in these comments, and while it may shock some people I've changed my mind on at least a few issues because of it. That's because the people making those arguments were intelligent and had valid arguments to make, which is a rarity these days.
The times likes free speech on the internet about as much as the Catholic Church liked the printing press.
And people say the 2020 election was fair. Ha ha.
"Trump's banishment, of course, was the result of private decisions by private companies"
If you really believe that there was no government coercion involved you are a TDS sufferer.
It’s weird because they admit the government interfered on different stories.
Sullum a TDS sufferer? Wow. I never noticed but all the pieces fit!
"The New York Times Again Worries That Free Speech Endangers Democracy"
This has to be the most Chemjeff concern ever.
Only after lowering the age of consent.
All they mean by "democracy" is "Democrats winning elections". Nothing more.
They intend a LOT more. DO not forget Disinformation Governance Board (DGB)
While that is a consequence and part of fortifying that "democracy" it is not the thing they are directly signalling.
That's why they refer to it as "OUR democracy," 'cause it's not mine or yours.
"Trump's banishment, of course, was the result of private decisions by private companies"
I like how Reason is still pretending that the Twitter Files showing a vast government infrastructure dedicated to leaning on platforms and Zuckerberg's own statements about being pressured didn't happen.
Come to think of it, aside from a few mentions from Robby, did Reason ever cover the Twitter Files?
They seemingly still ignore the dozens of former government officials in high levels spots in social media over the censorship practices. It is quite amazing.
Jesse, I responded to your question in the George Floyd article. I can't help but notice you haven't responded to mine.
I dont go back to threads more than 24 hours old. Believe i responded to your response after my initial. Regarding Chauvin weight as well as the prosecutions own witness estimate about amount of body weight on floyd.
Then nobody need respond to you when you quote things from 24 months ago.
It is amazing how little sense you make.
Me showing your utter hypocrisy has nothing to do with monitoring threads for days on end.
How dumb are you? Why did you lie just days ago about muting people?
If I mute you and don't respond, you complain like a little bitch.
When I take you off mute and respond, you complain like a little bitch.
Conclusion...
I see no reason to assume Sullum has decided to read any of it.
Easy to deny reality when you're intentionally ignorant of reality.
Keep in mind that Twitter was a minor player and the only one that released their files, thanks to the Elon Musk takeover. If Facebook and Google ever came clean, I'm sure it would be a horror show.
The Media Research Center just put out their own report about the dozens of instances that Google has tried to put their thumb on the scale to influence elections.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/google-interfered-elections-41-times-last-16-years-media-research-center-says
Neglecting that central question, The New York Times portrays the case as part of a conspiracy by Donald Trump's supporters to undermine democracy by promoting false claims that mislead voters and threaten the peaceful transfer of power.
..."the First Amendment has become, for better or worse, a barrier to virtually any government efforts to stifle a problem that, in the case of a pandemic, threatens public health and, in the case of the integrity of elections, even democracy itself.
It's interesting they express no concern over the Russian Collusion Hoax which far better meets the definition of conspiracy than anything they object to.
I support the free speech rights of the morons at the NYT as well as the stolen election conspiracy theory whackos.
Reminder. True libertarians trust government. Especially when they control access to election material and threaten to arrest those asking to prove voting is secure and accurate.
True libertarians throw a fit and riot at the capitol when their candidate loses.
And what do you call the people who manipulate government agencies and media to invent "intelligence" and then orchestrate illegal attacks including impeachment?
“and then orchestrate illegal attacks including impeachment?”
You mean the “illegal” constitutional process for removing a president?
Try again
Try again at fucking off and dying, shit-bag.
What an insightful and well thought out comment.
Far more than a steaming pile of lefty shit like you deserves. Fuck off and die, shit-bag.
lol
Did you all know KAR is stupid? OK, you probably did.
I bet most of you don't yet grasp just how stupid he is. Well you're in luck. I'm going to show you. 🙂
KAR is so stupid, his reading comprehension so atrocious, that he thinks the main idea behind OBL is that Charles Koch is ......... a communist!
"Come on, Sandra," you might respond. "You're making that up. You ran that OBL bit into the ground years before you finally retired it. And everyone got the message right away: Charles Koch is a greedy billionaire. He wants to further inflate his inherited fortune by depressing wages and general quality-of-life for everyone who isn't a billionaire. In short, CK is the antithesis of a communist."
Well, yeah. I *did* run it into the ground. And the theme *was* clear from day 1.
But KAR is so stupid, he never got it.
KAR thinks that my primary criticism of Charles Koch is that he's a communist.
Proof: "Koch isn’t some commie like you make him out to be. Your whole parody is flawed."
Commie was a dumb word to use. I’ll admit that. He overwhelmingly supports Republicans though. In 2022 he did and he will in 2024. He’s only anti-Trump because he doesn’t think Trump can beat Biden.
My point still stands that your schtick is stupid and not funny.
This comment is funny because it’s so stupid. Give it a break Sandy.
Do you wanna lash out like a little boy by calling me the c-word again? Would that ease your embarrassment a bit?
Or, if you're feeling more ambitious, I've prepared a grade-school-level quiz for you. After all, the ability to paraphrase an author's ideas - even if you disagree with them - is a fundamental component of reading comprehension.
Select the word in brackets that best summarizes each author's point of view. See if you can go 4 for 4! 🙂
According to Buttplug, the Biden economy is [weak, strong].
According to Kirkland, Harvard is a [good, bad] school.
According to Shackford, transwomen are [women, men].
According to Fiona, Democrats [passed, failed] the "send us more immigrants" consistency test.
Give it a try!
Why should I know or care what any of those people said?
Nardz and Fudd talk about killing democrats all the time. Do you want me to you quiz on that?
Sorry I schooled you by pointing out that Koch supports the GOP. However, feel free to keep making a fool of yourself with this stupid schtick.
"...Commie was a dumb word to use. I’ll admit that. He overwhelmingly supports Republicans though. In 2022 he did and he will in 2024. He’s only anti-Trump because he doesn’t think Trump can beat Biden..."
Now, there is a claim which comes from the shallow end of the gene-pool!
Who does he think CAN beat Biden? Some mirror-fogger taken from the gutters of NYC.
KAR is an obvious steaming pile of lefty shit and an ignoramus, but is not often as obvious in admitting it as here.
Fuck off and die, shit-stain.
It’s pretty well established he supports the GOP. He supported Haley because he thinks she could beat Biden.
You sure are angry all the time. Why don’t you have a Bailey’s, Guinness, or Jameson to calm down.
He supports anyone who will provide cheap labor. His open borders takes mix in well with marxist thought. He doesn't have much in libertarian thought outside the easy dollar.
The Koch debate vs Dave Smith regarding transgenderism was utterly embarrassing.
The GOP the Kochs support are the uniparty members like Haley.
I don’t know or give a shit who Dave Smith.
What’s with all the Trans shit with you people? They’re an insignificant minority yet you all constantly scream they are after your kids. Grow the fuck up and stop worrying about what other people want to be called.
Shocked. A non libertarian doesn't know the standard group of libertarians.
Sorry I don’t consider a failed comedian with a YouTube a libertarian intellectual.
This is the first I've heard of this Smith v. Koch debate. And I watch every one of Dave's POTP videos. I've added it to my queue. Thanks.
I started watching the debate. Dave's opponent uses the moniker "Charles G. Koch," but he's clearly not the Charles Koch who heads Koch industries. Am I missing something? Is this Koch's grandson? Is there any actual connection to the Reason benefactor Charles Koch?
The guy sounds like an inarticulate kid.
Haha. I just looked it up and you’re right.
Jesse doesn’t even know what he’s talking about.
KAR, I'd be careful throwing stones when you live in a glass house.
What have I said that’s dumber that?
"What have I said that’s dumber that?"
What have you ever posted that was anywhere near as intelligent as that?
"You sure are angry all the time. Why don’t you have a Bailey’s, Guinness, or Jameson to calm down."
Given how many of "her" voters were Democrats, then if he thinks that, his intellect might be exceptionally poor.
"Sorry I schooled you"
hahahahahahahahahaha
You said I portrayed Charles Koch as a "commie." You fundamentally misunderstood the theme I've been driving home for 5+ years.
I know you realize how ridiculous you look. Admittedly I overuse LOLs and smilies. But when you wrote that, I literally stared at my screen and laughed.
Then I rubbed my eyes, looked away for a minute, and looked back at the screen to make sure I didn't misread.
Nope, that shockingly stupid sentence was real. You actually wrote it.
Now come at me with your best c-word rant! Because until Reason goes full pay-to-post, I'm going to remind you of your idiocy every single time I see you.
No I did school you.
Koch supports Republicans. Sorry I pointed out you spent 5 years posting the same lie over and over.
Sorry Sandy. You’re not as clever as you think you are.
Uniparty Republicans *
No better than blue dog dems.
She’s been pretending he supports Democrats and Biden for years. That simply isn’t true.
No. Sandra has noted that the Kochs have a unique form of libertarian that is pro corporate like most uniparty government people. Nothing more.
No. She pretty openly referred to his naked self-interest and that him making billions is far more important than, literally, anything else. He'd sell out his "libertarian" beliefs if it would make him a dollar more.
Defend Biden at all costs is a phrase she uses repeatedly.
That sounds nothing like the “uniparty” Republicans. They tried to impeach him for crying out loud.
Her bit was stupid. She needs to move on. Her criticism of Trump is often on point in my opinion.
Wanna know how brain-dead this pile of lefty shit is?
"Defend Biden at all costs is a phrase she uses repeatedly."
That's sarcasm, you imbecile.
I prefer to read and post to unmoderated antisocial media.
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
If Trump represents a threat to "democracy", then democracy isn't worth defending on it's own merits.
Let's be clear. Trump may or may not be a threat to democracy, but he is a proven threat to "their" democracy. Which is not actually democracy but more like their precious.
"If Trump represents a threat to “democracy”, then democracy isn’t worth defending on it’s own merits."
Was the same thing true of Hitler, too?
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?
Totalitarians want to turn the GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).
The basis of freedom and democracy is the ability to vote for your political leaders and representatives based on your personal political opinions. Disinformation campaigns are meant to mislead the voter to vote for candidates that do not share their political options, and that does endanger democracy.
Someone doesn't fucking understand liberty and freedom. When the government controls what is the truth you have neither. Fuck off. You're the type that is referred to as enemies foreign and DOMESTIC that I swore to defend against. Not fucking democracy the fucking Constitution cunt.b
Oh and we know what kind of democracy your kind means when they say defend democracy. It's the same type that is practiced in China, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela. You get to vote but only for government approved candidates. Because anyone who thinks we need the government to decide what can and can't be said in order to defend democracy only wants to insure they are the ones in control of aforesaid "democracy". You're kind are the real fucking Nazis.
Fuck off Molly, and any of your comrades who claim that you need to censor public discourse in order to protect the selective freedoms and the "democracy" you want to impose on everyone else.
And you can stuff your own (dis)information up whatever body hole you choose.
I never said anything about censorship. I think is is wrong to prohibit the government and private businesses from pushing back on lies.
It is gullible people like your self and other commentators on my comment that are most at risk to be tricked into voting against your own interests.
"...I never said anything about censorship. I think is is wrong to prohibit the government and private businesses from pushing back on lies..."
Take a careful look at that, folks! It is probably possible to post something more idiotic than that, but it is hard to imagine.
WIH does that even mean?
Molly needs to get out of middle school classes.
Holy crap what an idiot.
"I never said anything about censorship. I think is is wrong to prohibit the government and private businesses from pushing back on lies."
And how does the government "push back"?
Hmmm?
You do not believe in the 1st Amendment.
Never forget these words from Judge Wayne Andersen back on April 8, 1994.
https://archive.md/mgil3
The erosion of the rights of people on the other side of town will ultimately undermine the rights of each of us
Also it was misinformation that lead you dumb asses to eat horse paste instead of getting effective treatments for covid.
Oh, my goodness! How long has the steaming pile of lefty shit been saving THAT?
BTW, if, as a steaming pile of lefty shit, would you be kind enough to drag up the 'Russki collusion', asshole?
BTW, ivermectin is not only used for horses, dipshit. It's long been used in human medicine too, moron. Talk about being gullible to misinformation.
Now an accepted treatment for Covid 19.
Still nope.
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/miscellaneous-drugs/ivermectin/
That's a "recommendation", shit-for-brains.
Holy crap what an idiot.
Amusing. Calls a widely used medicine as horse paste because CNN falsely called it horse paste. Lol.
What a dumb bitch!
the exact example of just what he was suggesting we all fall for
"...Disinformation campaigns are meant to mislead the voter to vote for candidates that do not share their political options, and that does endanger democracy..."
Ever hear of Walter Duranty, you pathetic pile of shit?
Almost everything in that nyt article is a falsehood or a complete distortion of reality. It's fantasy.
Almost everything in
thatthe nytarticleis a falsehood or a complete distortion of reality. It’s fantasy.Fixed it.
And disinformation was widely used by both sides in any conflict since before the printing press was invented. You would think that the writers of the Constitution (who utilized disinformation themselves during the Revolution when necessary) would have written it as an exception to the 1A if it was considered to be contrary to the 1A and a danger to the Republic. Since they didn't, it means there is no exception and the 1A is a restraint only on what the government can say not on what citizens can say.
"Disinformation campaigns are meant to mislead the voter to vote for candidates that do not share their political options, and that does endanger democracy."
Such as lying about COVID?
Lying about Russian collusion?
Don't forget lying about the Hunter Biden laptop.
I wonder if those 51 intelligence agents could be prosecuted for violating campaign finance laws.
They could be, but you don't want to piss off those people.
"they got six ways from Sunday for getting back at you . . . . " - Chuck Schumer
Whose disinformation campaign are you referring to? It’s as if you are saying that opinions must be properly formed by the desired party.
And THAT one sided monopoly on information is indeed a threat to democracy, and not a NYT hyperbolic one.
And that is one reason why it's good to be a republic with elections and not a democracy.
If "democracy" (whatever you mean by it) requires a well informed electorate who agree on all the facts, then it's a pointless pursuit. That is a state of affairs that has never existed and never will.
When Biden administration officials persistently pressured social media platforms to curtail speech those officials viewed as dangerous…
Dangerous to what, the Biden family’s fountain of foreign money?
https://oversight.house.gov/blog/joe-biden-met-nearly-every-foreign-associate-funneling-his-family-millions%EF%BF%BC/
Look, the publishers, editors, and reporters at the NYT are just a bunch of whiny cunts. Some are nanny cunts, who want to be the nation's scolds. Some are snowflake cunts, who do actually think that a disagreeable opinion might cause them fatal harm. Some are Marxist-critical theory cunts, who truly see themselves as SJWs on a holy crusade. And some are totalitarian cunts, who were never put off by Stalin and can't wait to see the rest of us purged.
Some are simply dishonest cunts who publish lies if they prefer them.
Walter Duranty does not disappear as a result of the NYT not making recent mention of him.
wrong place
You sure do that a lot Se-nile-o!
"...Se-nile-o!..."
Oh, oh, look! Steaming pile of lefty shit tries for a funny. And fails miserably.
Honestly, I'd be more worried about the fact that BOTH likely candidates for President openly want to have authoritarian rule by fiat, ignore the separation of powers, imprison their political enemies, control the media, and have made it abundantly clear that half of the country - the people they claim to represent - is considered an enemy.
Some are looking forward to their guy abusing his power in the name of revenge.
The guy who cheers on mass J6 arrests and sentencing screams at both sides lol.
Have you figured out how to intellectually argue what one side might do is equivalent to what one side is doing without sounding like a hypocrite yet?
Make it easier on yourself. Scream Hitler a few times at the other side so you don't have to recognize the issues with your own defenses of state abuse. Shocked you didnt yell bloodbath yesterday.
There's a great example of a hateful Trump supporter who can't wait to see the government weaponized against those he hates.
Your posts remind me of weather reports in that every news article about the weather has to mention global warming. No matter what it is, they’ve got to mention global warming.
In your case you always lie and claim I cheered J6 arrests and defend state abuse. It’s like you work of some template of lies or something. J6? check. State abuse? check. Babbitt? check. Rittenhouse? check. masks? check…
Isn't that similar to you bringing up Trump in every comments section, even when the article didn't involve Trump?
OF COURSE the goddamned Duranty News comes down on the side of the government over civil liberties.
-jcr
Biden's most typical move for me , who has watched him for 40 years, was Disinformation Governance Board (DGB).
And this man is dumb and lazy and not a thinker so if he is coming after you for 'wrong thoughts' and 'wrong speech' ...:)
"which raises the question of when government efforts to suppress "misinformation" on social media violate the First Amendment."
Each and every time. Direct or indirect. Each and every time.
So what?
The NYT and their MSM cohorts simply want a monopoly on dissemination.
"a conspiracy ... to undermine democracy by promoting false claims that mislead voters and threaten the peaceful transfer of power."
First of all, people who are so easily misled by false claims do not deserve democracy. Second, democracy is not now, has never been and should never be the goal. Equal rights and equal protection under the law should be the goal, together with the maximum possible individual freedom consistent with equal rights. Democracy is, or should be, a tool of the people to choose their officials for the limited purpose of enforcing equal rights and equal protection under the law. Progressive socialists let their imaginations run wild, visualizing world peace, equal outcomes and singing kumbaya, trying to convince more reasonable people to abandon reason and join in the fantasy.
The thing that's interesting to me is that the government selectively wants to label outlets like Facebook or X as a 'public square', going so far as to force Trump to unban commentors on his posts as a restriction of those people's free speech under the premise that Facebook or X is some kind of public square.
Then, when Twitter decided to completely ban Trump that was not considered to be a problem.
This is, of course, insane to any reasonably intelligent person no matter what their politics are. If someone can't be banned from Trump's Twitter because it's a public square, how does the notion that Trump himself can be banned jive with that?
It's really just one more facet of the government only having absolute power when the 'right' people are in charge of it. Do we want NAZI, because this his how you get NAZI.
Well, of course it doesn't square with fundamental principles. That does not trouble the censors because they want to not only ban false or hurtful information, they also want to be the arbiters of what is false, socially harmful and hurtful. There is no way to determine if something is objectively false or true that will satisfy everyone and, of course, the hidden agenda of the censors not only does not require objectivity, it is actively opposed to objectivity. The narrative actually controls their efforts. The struggle then becomes one of gaining control of the censorship apparatus instead of a discussion of truth or falsehood.
“ There is no way to determine if something is objectively false or true that will satisfy everyone”
You fucking idiot.
The feeling of satisfaction is not objective.
Reality, truth, is objectively defined with correctly applied logic and science. That criteria needs to be satisfied to irrefutably prove truth.
That irrational people aren’t feeling satisfied is irrelevant.
Do we want NAZI
Yes, the majority of Americans now favor left authoritarianism.
“a conspiracy … to undermine democracy by promoting false claims that mislead voters and threaten the peaceful transfer of power.”
Like the whole "Trump Colluded with the Russians®™ to Steal the 2016 Election" propaganda campaign?
Why should we allow the spread of misinformation like denying that God exists?
If denying God isn't misinformation, nothing's misinformation.
God is free to reply in rebuttal any time.
Democra (ts) (?cy?) require government censorship.
Of course self-projection, deflecting, manipulation and deception is what they do best. Heck it's all their stool is made of.
Because get this leftards ... The USA is *******NOT******* a democracy! It's a **Constitutional** Union of Republican States.
"The New York Times Again Worries That Free Speech Endangers Democracy."
You misspelled "Pravda."
Everytime someone says "Save our democracy" I cinge at their ignorance and tend to ignore them.
We have a Constitutional Rebublic which is very different from a democracy.
The first ten amendments to the constitution AKA the Bill of Rights are there to explicity limit the power of government.
NYT? It was all disinformation that Stalin and his boy Kaganovich starved 7M folks in the Ukraine right? WMD? Yep Sadaam had them and they just disappeared once he was knocked off (and thus did not pose a threat to Israel). Inflation isn't caused by printing money and running massive debt but by greedy corporations.
The subprime was caused by greedy bankers..artifically low rates and govt subsidizes didn't have an impact.
Democracy = targeting Catholics and Parents who are against sexually mutilating mentally ill kids.
Yep got it. The NYT..a bolshie paper from way back..oh and those Italians got what they deserved in the lynching in New Orleans right bolshie boys?
"No one disputes that the government would have violated the First Amendment if it had used threats of adverse government action to coerce private social-media platforms into moderating content," it says. "But no such threats occurred here."
No, instead they just bribed them with money, government contracts and favorable regulatory treatment. Totally fine! Nothing to see here! Move along!
The journal of record for the Progressive Movement in America, the NYT operates under Progressive Premise Number One:
The People are too dense to discern the true from the less than true.
Believing that false premise leads them to believe they must be the gatekeepers of information to the American public. This is the problem. And of course, when most Americans are victims to a pagan public education they may just have a point.