Was Amazon 'Free to Ignore' White House Demands That It Suppress Anti-Vaccine Books?
The Biden administration's interference with bookselling harks back to a 1963 Supreme Court case involving literature that Rhode Island deemed dangerous.

In 2021, emails recently obtained by Rep. Jim Jordan (R–Ohio) show, White House officials pressured Amazon to curb the distribution of books they believed were discouraging Americans from getting vaccinated against COVID-19. As Reason's Robby Soave notes, these communications bear a strong resemblance to the Biden administration's pandemic-related interactions with social media companies such as Twitter and Facebook, which a federal appeals court deemed unconstitutional in a First Amendment case that the Supreme Court will consider during its current session. The Amazon episode is also reminiscent of a 1963 Supreme Court case that likewise involved the sale of books that government officials perceived as a public menace.
In 1956, the Rhode Island General Assembly created the Commission to Encourage Morality in Youth, which was supposed to "educate the public concerning any book, picture, pamphlet, ballad, printed paper or other thing containing obscene, indecent or impure language, or manifestly tending to the corruption of the youth." It was charged with "investigating situations which may cause, be responsible for or give rise to undesirable behavior of juveniles." Although the commission itself had no enforcement power, it was authorized to "recommend legislation, prosecution and/or treatment which would ameliorate or eliminate said causes."
As part of their mission, Justice William Brennan noted in Bantam Books v. Sullivan, Rhode Island's cultural watchdogs would "notify a distributor that certain books or magazines distributed by him had been reviewed by the Commission and had been declared by a majority of its members to be objectionable for sale, distribution or display to youths under 18 years of age." One distributor, Max Silverstein & Sons, received "at least 35 such notices," which typically "thanked Silverstein, in advance, for his 'cooperation' with the Commission," noted the commission's "duty to recommend to the Attorney General prosecution of purveyors of obscenity," and informed him that "lists of 'objectionable' publications were circulated to local police departments."
To reinforce the warnings from the commission, "a local police officer usually visited Silverstein shortly after Silverstein's receipt of a notice to learn what action he had taken," Brennan noted. Silverstein got the message: In response to the notices, he stopped distributing the "objectionable" books. He did that, he testified, because he worried about "the possibility of some sort of a court action against ourselves, as well as the people that we supply." In short, Brennan said, "his 'cooperation' was given to avoid becoming involved in a 'court proceeding' with a 'duly authorized organization.'"
After four publishers sued the commission, a state court found that the effect of the notices "clearly" was to "intimidate the various book and magazine wholesale distributors and retailers," resulting in "the suppression of the sale and circulation of the books." As Brennan noted, Rhode Island's attorney general conceded that "the books listed in the notices included several that were not obscene within this Court's definition of the term." The Supreme Court agreed with the publishers that the commission's activities amounted to "a scheme of governmental censorship devoid of the constitutionally required safeguards for state regulation of obscenity" and "thus abridge[d] First Amendment liberties, protected by the Fourteenth Amendment from infringement by the States."
Writing for the majority, Brennan rejected the argument that distributors like Silverstein were free to ignore the commission's notices. The panel's actions "were performed under color of state law and so constituted acts of the State within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment," he wrote, adding:
These acts and practices directly and designedly stopped the circulation of publications in many parts of Rhode Island. It is true, as noted by the Supreme Court of Rhode Island, that Silverstein was "free" to ignore the Commission's notices, in the sense that his refusal to "cooperate" would have violated no law. But it was found as a fact…that Silverstein's compliance with the Commission's directives was not voluntary. People do not lightly disregard public officers' thinly veiled threats to institute criminal proceedings against them if they do not come around, and Silverstein's reaction, according to uncontroverted testimony, was no exception to this general rule. The Commission's notices, phrased virtually as orders, reasonably understood to be such by the distributor, invariably followed up by police visitations, in fact stopped the circulation of the listed publications…It would be naive to credit the State's assertion that these blacklists are in the nature of mere legal advice, when they plainly serve as instruments of regulation independent of the laws against obscenity.
Like Rhode Island's Commission to Encourage Morality in Youth, the White House officials who complained to Amazon about anti-vaccine books were seeking "the suppression of the sale and circulation" of constitutionally protected literature they found "objectionable." And like Silverstein, Amazon responded to official pressure, agreeing to limit the visibility of the books in search results, even though its "refusal to 'cooperate' would have violated no law."
The trouble began in March 2021, when Senior White House COVID-19 adviser Andrew Slavitt did an Amazon search and did not like what he found. "Who can we talk to about the high levels of propaganda and misinformation and disinformation [at] Amazon?" Slavitt asked the company in a March 2 email. He elaborated on that concern in a message he sent later that morning: "If you search for 'vaccines' under books, I see what comes up. I haven't looked beyond that but if that's what's on the surface, it's concerning."
An internal Amazon email sent an hour later illuminates the company's response. "We will not be doing a manual intervention today," it said. "The team/PR feels very strongly that it is too visible" and "won't fix…the long-term problem because of customer behavior associations. If we completely remove customer behavior associations it will break the search." But to mollify the White House, the Amazon official (whose name is redacted) said "the team" would "widen the search light flag for COVID-19 CDC website redirect so that it comes to the top of the page on more search keys."
The White House "will probably ask why we don't tag the content like FB/Twitter do if we aren't taking it down," the official added. "That is an option being explored but that we don't want to disclose to avoid boxing in." Worried about negative coverage by media outlets such as Fox News, the company was giving "very direct guidance to the teams to be boring and not do anything that is visible and will draw more attention." Note that Amazon already had the impression that the White House would prefer that the company simply stop selling the books it deemed dangerous.
Another internal email sent that afternoon suggested potential responses to the White House. "Our guidelines address content that is illegal or infringing, generates a poor customer experience, or that we otherwise prohibit, such as pornography," said one talking point. "Our guidelines don't specifically address content about vaccines."
The suggested answer to another White House question read: "We believe that retailers are different from social media communities which means we review the content we make available, where we make it available in our store, and how we address content that customers find disappointing. As a retailer, we provide our customers with access to a variety of viewpoints, including books that some customers may find objectionable. All booksellers make decisions about what selection they choose to offer and we do not take selection decisions lightly."
Zach Butterworth, another White House official, was impatient. Later that afternoon, he thanked an Amazon official for "your response" but added, "Five minutes ago I searched 'vaccine' on Amazon and the attached book was one of the first in the stack. When I click on the product page I don't see any CDC warning."
A week later, in anticipation of a meeting with White House officials that day, an internal email listed "Top Talking Points." One of them: "Is the Admin asking us to remove books, or are they more concerned about search results/order (or both)?" Three days after that meeting, an internal email noted that "the Books team" would be meeting on March 19 to "take a closer look at books related to vaccine misinformation" and discuss "additional steps Amazon might want to take to reduce the visibility of these titles." The message noted that the company "is feeling pressure from the White House [COVID-19] Taskforce."
A March 12 internal email described the steps Amazon already had taken. "We've had CRM [the customer relationship management team] review all titles mentioned and have worked with the teams who specialize [in] Search, Reviews, and Personalization tools," it said. "One book (out of 9) was found to violate our COVID policy and was removed. As a reminder, we did enable Do Not Promote for anti-vax books whose primary purpose is to persuade readers vaccines are unsafe or ineffective on 3/9, and will review additional handling options for these books with you….However, many of the books highlighted by [a pending Buzzfeed story] are about COVID conspiracies not vaccination, and are therefore out of scope for this policy effort. CRM plans to resume work on a broad misinformation policy again once we align on an approach for anti-vax books."
Amazon, in short, responded to White House "pressure" by dropping at least one book, making others harder to find, and mulling "a broad misinformation policy" that might extend beyond books about vaccines. Were those decisions "voluntary," as Rhode Island described Silverstein's response to its book-monitoring commission?
Unlike Rhode Island's censors, White House officials did not, so far as we know, make "thinly veiled threats to institute criminal proceedings." But that does not mean Amazon had nothing to worry about if it dismissed the Biden administration's complaints rather than changing its policies and practices to suppress the books that Slavitt et al. viewed as a threat to public health.
At the same time that White House officials were demanding that Amazon do something about "concerning" anti-vaccine books, news outlets were reporting that President Joe Biden planned to nominate law professor Lina Khan, a leading critic of the company, to the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), which he did later that month. Khan had made a splash as a law school student with a 2017 Yale Law Review article, "Amazon's Antitrust Paradox," urging a new approach to antitrust enforcement that would enable the government to target the company. In June 2021, she became chair of the FTC, which last September filed an antitrust lawsuit against Amazon.
It is hard to believe that the possibility of such legal action played no role in Amazon's eagerness to appease the Biden administration when it objected to books that the company was selling. Drawing a line between persuasion and coercion in the social media case that is now before the Supreme Court, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit noted that Facebook et al. had reason to worry about "threats of adverse government action" such as "antitrust enforcement" if they failed to meet their "responsibility related to the health and safety of all Americans" as defined by federal officials, including the president himself.
You could say that Amazon, like Silverstein, "was 'free' to ignore" the government's demands. But as Justice Brennan suggested, "it would be naive to credit" that characterization.
In the end, it is not clear that the Biden administration's interference had much of an impact on the availability of anti-vaccine books on Amazon. Based on a search as sophisticated as the one that Slavitt performed back in March 2021, I can report that several titles falling into that category appear in the top results. And it may shock you to learn that "when I click on the product page I don't see any CDC warning."
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Nice little vertically integrated business model you have there. It'd be a shame if anything happened to regulate it out of existence.
It’s a crime punishable by imprisonment to share irrefutable evidence that refutes the bullshit holocaust story in every nation where it allegedly occurred.
Wait a minute! Aren’t Jews the new “no shit” holocaust denier’s regarding their Genocide in Gaza?
Considering that the US is aiding Israel’s crimes against humanity and also denying it, more censorship and propaganda is coming to every US town.
Israel has committed no crimes. You Nazis did.
You really are an incredibly idiotic waste of life. You should self abort.
Lying pile of Nazi shit.
Sevo is being too kind.
Sort of out of character, no?
Did a Jewish girl turn down your sexual advances?
Or was that a Jewish boy?
My longtime Usenet ally, Christopher Charles Morton, wrote this about your fellow dreckvolk on December 1, 1998.
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.politics.guns/c/-ENhx2MflJ4/m/sOvMWLTeQHkJ
What is a Nazi?
A Nazi is above all else, a craven coward.
A Nazi is afraid to compete with others as equals because he knows he
can't measure up.
A Nazi is afraid of his own inadequacy, so he wants to murder his
betters.
A Nazi is afraid of the truth, so he wants to murder those who tell
it.
A Nazi is afraid of history, so he wants to murder the past, to wipe
out the knowledge of the degeneracy, cowardice and failure of National
Socialism.
Finally, a Nazi is afraid of the power of educated, informed adults.
Freedom of choice terrifies him... which is why he chooses minor
children as sexual partners. He can't interact with competent adults
in a consensually sexual way. He needs to be able to impose himself
on a helpless victim, be it a prepubescent boy, or a patient in a
mental hospital.
These are the things that a Nazi is, and there's nothing polite or
honest about it.
He’s such a boringly standard Nazi, I’m tempted to think he’s fake.
He’s on the spectrum.
His screen name isn't typically German. Maybe he's Austrian? You know who else was Austrian Nazi?
UN secretary general Kurt Waldheim.
Like I’ve always said, Jews and Nazis are like peanut butter and chocolate.
Nazis considered themselves the master race. Jews consider themselves god’s chosen people.
Nazis were members of a secret satanic society called the Thule society. Jews claim ownership of the vast secret satanic pyramid scheme society today called freemasonry.
Jews falsely claim Nazis committed a holocaust during WW2 and that various other nations did no less than 166 times between 1900 and 1945. Jews are currently committing a holocaust in Gaza and are denying it even though they’re on trial for genocide today in the United Nations international court of justice.
The citizens of nations like the US that are currently aiding Israel’s genocide in Gaza won’t like their new position on the world’s stage when Israel and they are convicted of genocide.
Under the 1st Amendment, you are free to spread all the lies and disinformation you want.
You are simply the price Americans pay for having a robust Bill of Rights--just as a huge casualty rate from firearms is the price they pay for having a robust 2nd Amendment.
Freedom isn't free.
Paul Harding explained it.
https://www.quora.com/How-can-a-gun-enthusiast-still-claim-their-right-to-bear-arms-is-more-important-than-public-safety/answer/Paul-Harding-14
Freedom isn’t free. It requires laws that restrict harm caused by irresponsible behaviour like lying.
You have the opportunity to refute what I say. If you’re successful, which you nor anyone else here ever have been, I should be obliged under penalty of law to recant and never say what has been refuted again unless the understanding of what constitutes facts change. This I do voluntarily today.
In addition there should be a legal requirement to prove that what one claims as true actually is. This would necessitate the criminalization of censorship of evidence of any kind.
When lies are recognized as refuted and not retold, they will lose their ability to coerce and with it any corrupt advantage
"Paratroops Dino! Be a shame if someone was to set fire to 'dem!"
Does that mean the Biden Admin tried to ban books?
Asking a company to not spread misinformation isn't "banning books".
So books about how transgender surgery is natural should be banned?
Asking a company with an anti-trust law in hand, definitely is banning books. Same as threatening the liquor license of a bar if the owner lets hookers operate there. It's extortion in both cases.
It was a rather ineffective "ban" if the only book Amazon actually removed was the one book that Amazon admitted already violated Amazon's own policies.
“Asking “
If 'not stocking porn in the middle school library' is 'banning books', then this is more like a no-shit Nazi book burning straight out of 1930's Germany.
Asking a company to not spread books isn’t “banning misinformation”.
Especially not considering what the lying bastard Democrats (but I repeat myself) called "misinformation".
You're really on a roll with your disingenuous takes today. You clearly wouldn't believe this if it was the Trump administration doing this exact same thing about trans ideology or CRT.
I try to deal with people in good faith but you're just not demonstrating anything close to objectivity.
Nothing radically individualist about Jeffy.
Misinformation®™ is simply ideas that disagree with tHe Narrative®™!
I don’t call him Lying Jeffy for nothing.
censorjeff radical bookburner
This is someone faking him.
Occasionally I think the same thing when he comes out with these extreme shit takes. But then he shows up in a day or two and doubles down and amazes me again.
We’ll see.
This is definitely jeff 2.0. Problem with this is jeff will say the exact same thing so nobody can tell.
I always hold out hope that his morbid obesity will cause his heart to explode.
For the record, he only admitted to being fat, not morbidly obese. Then again he’s a shameless liar so…
For the record, he only admitted to being fat
That is a lie. I dare you to produce the quote that supposedly admits this.
I should have bookmarked it?
You’re saying I should have bookmarked your comment where you admitted you were fat?
Is that your final answer, that we should be bookmarking your comments that you will lie about later?
Because I’m really confused about the rules about bookmarking liar’s comments.
I'm not guessing. I have this person muted, plus I double checked I didn't accidentally mute the real one.
Misinformation? The administration, the WHO and the FDA were spreading misinformation. The books the Biden Admin wanted to be made hard to find on the largest book seller in the world were more likely the facts.
Haha, look at Fascist Jeffy go!
"It was spreading miSiNfOrMaTioN, so the government told them to stop it. Sure the miSiNfOrMaTioN turned out to be true, but they didn't know it then.
Totally not censorship."
The contentious books that the government asked about were widely considered to be misinformation by experts in the medical community. If any of the facts changed later on, it doesn't make the original request wrong or unconstitutional.
Ok, maybe this is an imposter.
But Jeff really believes that too.
LOLOLOL
Then those experts are free to contest the ideas in those books. No need for government to get involved. And the request is wrong because the government shouldn't be trying to squash ideas in the market place, any "sane" liberal should understand this.
Oh, it was unconstitutional and in a few months SCotUS will make it official. Just as the Federal Appeals Court made it official for the Biden interference with Twitter and Facebook- directly contradicting this line that Chemjeff repeatedly states.
Oh, and the government knows what misinformaion is?
Lying Jeffy is a big advocate of trusting TOP MEN and allowing them to make decisions for the rest of us. That’s what makes him an individualist.
He’s such a libertarian!
trusting TOP MEN and allowing them to make decisions for the rest of us.
That is a gross misrepresentation of my position. Which is hardly surprising coming from you.
Experts are "experts" because they have - get this - EXPERTISE in a narrow field of study that most people do not possess. Such as doctors, lawyers, and, yes, even teachers. Experts should not dictate to everyone else how to live because of their expertise. But the studied opinion of an expert in that particular area of expertise ought to carry some weight than the opinion of some yahoo on Facebook.
You and your tribe object to experts dictating to everyone else how to live, as I do, but the problem is you all just can't stop there. You then have to go on to trash the experts as not being all that competent, and denying their very legitimate expertise, just because you disagree with them politically. THAT is what I disagree with.
But in your typical dishonest fashion, you just cannot help yourself but lie about me.
“But the studied opinion of an expert in that particular area of expertise ought to carry some weight than the opinion of some yahoo on Facebook.”
You should take this up with some yahoo on Facebook. Or at least someone who’s cited a yahoo on facebook.
Oh, what’s that you say, there is no yahoo on Facebook that has fuck all to do with anything going on here? You just made this person up because you’re a terrible liar? Makes sense.
It’s not my fault you’re to stupid to do research on a topic you’re not an “expert” on and then compare your own ignorance to that of some yahoo on Facebook that exists in your fantasy world.
Fuck off Lying Jeffy.
You should take this up with some yahoo on Facebook. Or at least someone who’s cited a yahoo on facebook.
While jeffey claims every comment about him is a lie, even when it's been proven, he has no compunction lying about others. That's because any level of honesty would prove his conclusions wrong and he'll say anything to prevent that.
Experts are capable of lying and being biased as well. And it's even more insidious when they do it because they can hide behind a veneer of legitimacy and claim that they're only beholden to the truth and you have to trust them as being experts. What I see too often, though, are people who are experts in a narrow field, but who aren't experts in statistics, and yet are misusing statistics in a way that comports to their biases.
I'm always a skeptic. A person making a claim has to provide evidence. If a person is an expert, they don't have to fall back on "Trust me, I'm an expert," they can explain in great detail how they arrived at whatever their conclusion is and what evidence they're using. The quality of their explanation is where they demonstrate their expertise, not by hanging a credential on the wall or in their CV. If they can't talk intelligently about their supposed field, I don't rate their expertise very highly and don't rely on it.
Fauci: “I am the science”.
Lying Jeffy, nodding along: “He is the science.”
Lying Jeffy is the guy below average intelligence that uses appeal to authority and sophistry to make himself feel smart.
It’d be cute if he didn’t advocate authoritarianism under the guise of libertarianism. He should be mocked.
Probably, they're usually the ones creating it. Should be very familiar.
"It's not lying if experts and top men do it" - creamjeff radical censorist.
"Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it."
See the longer quote elsewhere in this thread.
Recommended here before: "Wages of Destruction", Tooze. Best read with or close to "The Russian Revolution", Pipes.
Tooze tracks Hitler's control of and in some cases outright nationalization of agriculture and industry from the Enabling Act through the war and a comparison to Lenin (Pipe's book) shows nearly identical 'progress' in the time leading up to the war. Almost ass if Hitler had studied the process.
Example: You didn't think the Goering Steel Works belonged to Goering, did you?
Asking a library to not stock sexually explicit books in the children's section is not banning books, either.
I didn't post that message, that was someone else.
Or this was…….
Maybe you should just go away all together. I hear WaPo needs more ‘libertarians’ like you.
Or is this someone else? Hmmm…..????
Not original jeff. But no difference between a jeff response. So jeff clone, not jeff parody.
Did his blubber collapse in on itself and then divide into two Pedo Jeffys?
I mean jeff is obese enough that he weighs the same as 2 to 3 normal people. So this could be Jeff's stomachs account.
Har har har. Oh wow, yet another fat joke.
If it's not the real CJ Typical Collectivist it's an incredibly good and accurate imitation.
So, asshole troll who impersonates me:
Why do you go through the trouble of doing this?
If my ideas are just so totally wrong and obviously so, why try to invent fake ideas to stuff in my mouth? Why not just try to refute the arguments that I *actually* make?
Is it because you can't? Is it because my ideas are NOT so totally wrong, but you lack the mental capacity to argue against them so you resort to these cheap tricks instead?
If I were so wrong, you wouldn't need to lie about me and make up fake impostors to impersonate me. It is because my ideas do resonate and ring true that you have to try to undermine me by defaming me.
Can’t really disagree with you there. Your ideas are total shit. There really is no point in impersonating you. You’re already homogeneously a legitimate target for derision and ridicule.
Say Jeff, what did he say that wasn't something you already advocate?
Yeah I don’t expect you to apologize.
You're probably the impostor.
Nope, and suck dick, asshole. You built your reputation here all by yourself and it's nobody else's fault.
And you still never answered the question, what did he say that wasn’t something you already advocate?
This is one of the reasons I (usually) try to argue with the content posted, and not the person posting it.
Was this so-called imposter a bear that escaped from a trunk?
So I'm assuming that all the people here who rushed to condemn me for this fake comment, based on the impostor's statement, are now going to apologize for their error. Right? Right?
Nothing but a bunch of assholes around here. If you all claim to be the face of "real libertarianism" then it is no wonder that libertarians hardly get any votes. Who wants to associate themselves with a pack of assholes like yourselves?
Wait, so you DON'T agree with this?
"Asking a company to not spread misinformation isn’t “banning books”.
1. Impersonating handles is bad form, I don’t care who you are.
2. The troll was able to peg your position so plausibly that it suckered a bunch of responses. Maybe do some self-reflection on why that is?
3. We’re all here arguing on the internet, are you just now realizing that ALL of us (including you) are assholes of varying degrees?
2. The troll was able to peg your position so plausibly that it suckered a bunch of responses. Maybe do some self-reflection on why that is?
Why am I the one who needs to do self-reflection? From *MY* point of view, very few of you actually read and comprehend what I do write, instead they project what they think I believe onto me and argue against that instead. This was just more of the same.
If you think that is what I really believe, then *YOU* should do some self-reflection on why you were so easily fooled by a troll.
Here is what I really believe: That statement from the troll is true only in a literal tautological sense. But that is not the real issue here. The real issue is, what is the dividing line between a valid innocuous request, and impermissible "jawboning", not to mention literal censorship? I freely admit that there is a big cloud of gray between these two scenarios, and reasonable people can come up with reasonable arguments on where to draw that line. I am personally not sure where to draw the line, or even if an objective line can be drawn that covers every plausible scenario. But at least I admit that there is a gray area, and simplistic answers implying that the government's actions are always sinister and wrong, are stupid. Pulling this kind of stunt that the impostor did, is just an attempt to sabotage this whole discussion.
From *MY* point of view, very few of you actually read and comprehend what I do write"
Everyone comprehends what you write, which is virtually always a puddle of deliberate misrepresentation and misquoting, special pleading, appeals to authority, and false paraphrasing. And you do it deliberately because you know that almost everyone finds your actual positions disgusting or horrific, and you can't argue them on their merits.
Most people refuse to play along with your obvious and dishonest games.
3. We’re all here arguing on the internet, are you just now realizing that ALL of us (including you) are assholes of varying degrees?
I am pissed off that this place has become such a toxic sewer and so hostile to any discussion that deviates even a little from the Mises Caucus/Ron Paul/Trump or Trump-adjacent point of view. There IS more to libertarian thought than just “gubmint is bad” and “Democrats are evil”, you know. But you wouldn’t know that from reading the comments here. Heaven forfend that there are those in Europe who define libertarianism in a completely different way – the moment I do that, just *acknowledging that they exist*, it becomes tantamount to advocating for Marxism around here.
There is a definite orthodoxy and groupthink that is enforced around here by social pressure, and the enforcement comes in the form of canceling the ‘heretics’ by trying to make the place so uncomfortable for them that they give up and leave. I am too stubborn to let that happen to me, I don’t want to see the assholes win.
There IS more to libertarian thought than just “gubmint is bad” and “Democrats are evil”, you know.
Unless you engage in Libertarian Plus, no there really isn't.
And that's just due to the fact that the ideology is morally agnostic. There isn't much more depth to it, and how can there be? Individuals deciding shit for themselves inevitably breaks down collective agreements about EVERYTHING.
Lying Jeffy lived in a philosophy 100 class at the local cooking school. He was kicked out for eating all the ingredients. And also being a liar. Even a cooking school doesn’t want a psychopath liar.
I have to agree with Nobartium on this.
I am pissed off that this place has become such a toxic sewer and so hostile to any discussion that deviates even a little from the Mises Caucus/Ron Paul/Trump or Trump-adjacent point of view.
It's always amusing when the people who make it a toxic sewer whine about it being so.
There is a definite orthodoxy and groupthink that is enforced around here by social pressure, and the enforcement comes in the form of canceling the ‘heretics’ by trying to make the place so uncomfortable for them that they give up and leave. I am too stubborn to let that happen to me, I don’t want to see the assholes win.
You're not a heretic, you're just an asshole. Personally I find it hysterical you whine so incessantly that people treat you just like you treat them.
1. Impersonating handles is bad form, I don’t care who you are.
And by the way, thank you for being one of the few semi-decent people around here.
In his usual self-serving manner, Jeff sort of praised you, DesigNate.
You might want to go take a shower.
Shit, now I need to be an asshole to prove my point.
Nothing but a bunch of assholes around here. If you all claim to be the face of “real libertarianism” then it is no wonder that libertarians hardly get any votes. Who wants to associate themselves with a pack of assholes like yourselves?
I don't choose a political party based on how amiable the people in the party are. It's the principles underlying the positions. It's why one of my main complains about writers here is that they don't argue from first principles to argue a particular position, they so often have emotional reactions due to the present impression of a story. I consider myself a libertarian based on the principles of individual liberty and not because all my friends are libertarians (they're really not).
As for whether you're owed an apology, you certainly are from the person who spoofed your handle-I don't really see why anyone would do that. I thought about apologizing, but I look at what I said I and I don't find anything I regret saying. You expressed a shitty, disingenuous position in another thread, and this is another example of it. It's not yours, but I only criticized it as yet another bad take of yours. The fact that it's not yours doesn't make it any less a bad take, which is what I was criticizing.
So I don't find fault in anything I wrote, and I am not offering an apology.
Asking a company to not spread misinformation isn’t “banning books”.
Asking a bookseller not to sell books under threat of government persecution is banning books.
Boy, pretty much all the books on Climate change would be right out then.
Define “misinformation”, and then tell me whether or not the government deciding what qualifies as misinformation is compatible with freedoms of speech and press?
Both halves of our Kleptocracy routinely do that, for centuries. Victoria Woodhull was arrested for being a candidate in 1872, the year Susan B Anthony and others were arrested for the crime of voting while female. The following year the NY Sassiety for the Suppression of Vice (=burning of books) and mystical bigot Anthony Comstock banned mailing the faintest mention of birth control (10 years on a chain gang and kilo of gold fine). It also banned disloyal (Dem) material. Justice enforced all this until the LP electoral vote became ROE. Comstock Law text: (https://bit.ly/49ozTuv)
Victoria Woodhull doesn’t get nearly enough media attention. Well done.
But it does include the obligatory Comstock reference.
Somehow I don't think Coat-Hanger Hank would approve of Woodhull's views on abortion. As usual the stupid old fuck doesn't understand what he's referencing.
"Every woman knows that if she were free, she would never bear an unwished-for child, nor think of murdering one before its birth."
"The rights of children, then, as individuals, begin while yet they are in foetal life. Children do not come into existence by any will or consent of their own."
"Many women who would be shocked at the very thought of killing their children after birth, deliberately destroy them previously. If there is any difference in the actual crime we should be glad to have those who practice the latter, point it out. The truth of the matter is that it is just as much a murder to destroy life in its embryotic condition, as it is to destroy it after the fully developed form is attained, for it is the self-same life that is taken."
STFU you senile idiot, no one reads your insane off topic ramblings
"Victoria Woodhull was arrested for being a candidate in 1872, the year Susan B Anthony and others were arrested for the crime of voting while female."
Is this the closest Hank's gotten yet to contemporary issues?
No. Only DiSantis bans books.
I'd like to see the list of books they wanted to ban.
Any ones that mentioned the Wuhan lab, gain of function research, Dr. Fauci’s involvement with Wuhan and GOF research, denial that Covid spread from bats in a wet market, denial that China covered it up, two weeks to stop the spread, you don’t need to mask, you do need to mask, its a great idea to put folks with Covid in nursing homes with people who aren’t infected, only government authorized Covid tests can be used, etc., etc., etc.
Basically anything counter to democrat propaganda or that might shed light on facts uncomfortable to the administration.
"The Velvet Underground" was the title of a let's-ban-books book (just not THIS one) in which high-schoolers learned that Lesbos was an island. This led to the Andy Warhol banana album and Lou Reed qualifying as a musician. Another fave was "Seduction of the Innocent," the gateway drug to ZAP and Furry Freak Brothers comix. The initiation of brainwashing--like the initiation of force--brings unequal yet apposite reaction satire totally surprising to the mystical brainwashers. It's a pity they, like Germany's NSDAP, cannot learn.
Not sure Lou Reed was a musician exactly but whatever dude.
Did anything happen after fifty years ago?
"Concerning"
"Problematic's" prettier linguistic cousin, and part of the "Won't Somebody Think of the Children" busybody family.
“Concerning”. That's Sullumtalk for shit the guy he campaigned for predictably did.
And the FIRST thing that the pussy-grabbers on BOTH sides want to do, so as to pussy-grab their enemies some more? Tear DOWN Section 230, which is the ONLY near-miracle that has happened in recent decades! Government Almighty actually LIMITED its own powers, for once?!?! How DARE they pass S-230?!?! It gets in MY way ass I try to pussy-grab my enemies!!!!
While Democrats (Biden in this case) just flat out ignores Section 230 because they've always been above the law. Their above the US Constitution. They're above the 1st Amendment.
Every congressman and president who practices censorship by 3rd party should be instantly impeached and removed from office.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-threats-social-media-twitter-fact-check-warning-executive-order/
Trump threatens social media companies after Twitter adds fact-checking labels to tweets
How DARE you question the Words of The Emperor?!?!?
We sure know CBS is your “Words of The Emperor”.
Who consistently flips everything on its head…
And why did Trump make that threat??????
“Republicans feel that Social Media Platforms totally silence conservatives voices.”
So doing the crime is A-Okay but threatening to stop the crime from continuing is oh so bad…. I can’t believe you dabble in such garbage.
The only mistake Republicans are making is trying to prosecute the 3rd Party instead of prosecuting Democrats in Congress.
Fascists gottta do fascism.
Another outrage from the party which poses as civil libertarians.
Should be outrageous to anyone from either party, and the fact that there are other civil infringements (asset forfeiture or anti abortion) is completely irrelevant. Be outraged at it all.
I really don't understand this comment since I made no reference to other civil infringements.
Outrage is cheap. Votes are what count. Chase Oliver threw Georgia's confederate blackface Senate race into runoffs. Oliver supporters paid ten cents a vote while the looters on "both" sides of the looter kleptocracy aisle paid 200 times as much--all the while struggling to evade the pro-choice Libertarian candidate. THAT's clout! (http://bit.ly/3hFH6QJ) Libertarian Donations buy leveraged votes to repeal bad laws.
Yeah those were the days Hank. Time to move on.
And Comstock! Damn you Comstock!
*Hank shakes fist at cloud*
And the saviors of Democracy.
Used this yesterday in the roundup...
“As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer…Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions. [Econlib]
I have a hard time wrapping my head around it - but the Democrat party are generally *prideful* [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s]. Calls to make Socialist Security, "New Deals" to void the US Constitution, Fundamentally change America. These aggressive/?progressive? tactics to destroy the USA aren't hidden or confused. Perhaps manipulated. I think the only reason many won't just own the 'Nazi'-fanboy abbreviated term of their prideful ideology is they might end up loosing votes/power.
Is that from Hayek?
Sheldon Richman writes about "Fascism" in The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics.
https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html
TY
So,
a First Amendment case that the Supreme Court will consider during its current session
If Biden is found treasonously culpable of violating his oath of office and the party is forced to repopulate the ticket at the last minute, 49% of me could see that as a reasonable contest of any legitimacy Trump may have in winning the election.
The other 51% would readily recall the precedents set by all the COVID, Emergency Powers, and mail in voting bullshit, all the warnings issued without regard for any actual vote counting or (lack of) evidence of doctoring, all the mask and vaccine mandate social signalling party purity tests, and would be strongly inclined to laugh its ass off.
As the evidence piles up. Remember when Republicans were saying all the presses were being controlled by Democrats but it was the biggest "conspiracy theory" to ever hit the right? Facebook, Twitter, and now Amazon. Wonder what other "findings" will be found? CNN, MSNBC, Disney, etc, etc, etc.... The Nazi's have captured the presses but it's all just a "conspiracy theory" right? /s
Amazon often hides "Prohibition and The Crash" from financial book searches. The fairy tale that tariff rates caused the Crash but NOT the Civil War is the now version of the Big Lie. Comstock laws punished birth control and reporting the facts of life. China's decapitating prohibition transmitted via boycotts caused the Panic of 1907, WW1, German narcotic and stimulant regulation, Hitler's election and WW2. But the popular christian theory is "Jews." Its competitor is "speculation baaad." Third-party research is not welcome.
Ah, Comstock. Yes!
His third mention by Hank today in this thread.
Comstock Derangement Syndrome? Poor Hank can't seem to grasp the concept of accountability...
Based on the theory of yesterday's D.C. ruling on Trump..
Since censorship is not an official act of the presidency, once Biden is out of office he can be sued for fraud and threats based on these acts.
But… but….. that’s (D)ifferent!
Sure, why not? Let us know how it goes.
I thought this was all excused as "private companies" doing what's best for them by you and the rest of the leftists of Reason. Are you now claiming that facts changed (they didn't) or that you were never an advocate ( you all were) now that your narrative has been shredded?
The mistake is trying to prosecute 3rd parties instead of prosecuting congressmen who violated the 1st Amendment.
The cowardice of corporations like Amazon in the area of censorship is explained by their subjection to punishment in other areas like "antitrust." In other areas this would be considered to be blatantly unacceptable: for example, if your boss threatens to fire you if you don't "voluntarily" have sex with xer. Corporations are vulnerable to pressure by government in exactly the same way that employees are vulnerable to employers, and the Supreme Court should make it clear - AGAIN - that indirect censorship is just as bad as direct censorship. More than that, the Supreme Court should rule unconstitutional "antitrust" laws which are blatantly outside the Constitutional authority of government, whose only excuse is to act as a jawboner.
Yep.
It was just as free as Twitter was, back when you were saying 'its a private company, they can censor anyone they want'.
But once it was revealed that the USG was conspiring with Twitter to censor - things got real quiet around here.
Mostly because it was that horrible Nazi Elon Musk that released the evidence of what was happening before he bought the place.
"In the end, it is not clear that the Biden administration's interference had much of an impact on the availability of anti-vaccine books on Amazon."
Sullum still is not sure if what the Biden Administration had done is a bad thing, as he is saying here "no harm", which is the first part of saying "no foul".
Musk didn't "release the evidence". He gave selected journalists access to some of the evidence. Did those journalists ever release the evidence they had been provided? (Yes, we know they tweeted about it, but that is not the same thing.)
After the first "bombshell" turned out to be a damp squib, yes, things did get rather quiet, and then the subsequent spurts just put everyone to sleep.
Nice ad hominem whinge there.
For historical perspective, it would have been nice if you mentioned Wilhelm Reich and the burning of his books by the Fed Gov. Also, I remember when my local GNC was raided and all information about the sugar substitute Stevia was confiscated.