Trump Gag Order Raises Unsettled Constitutional Questions
A D.C. Circuit judge says the government’s defense of the order gives short shrift to "the First Amendment’s vigorous protection of political speech."

"I'll be the only politician in history" who "won't be allowed to criticize people," Donald Trump complained last month. He was referring to the gag order issued by the judge who is overseeing the federal case that charges him with illegally conspiring to reverse the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.
While Trump's claim was characteristically hyperbolic, the order does raise serious constitutional questions that are surprisingly unsettled. That much was clear on Monday, when the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit considered Trump's First Amendment objections to the speech restrictions that U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan imposed on October 16.
Trump's lawyers argue that the order was not justified by a "clear and present danger," while the government says the relevant question is whether the extrajudicial statements covered by the order would create "a substantial likelihood of material prejudice to the proceedings." The government's position "doesn't seem to give much balance at all to the First Amendment's vigorous protection of political speech," D.C. Circuit Judge Patricia Millett remarked.
Chutkan's order bars Trump from making "any public statements" that "target" Special Counsel Jack Smith, his staff, court personnel, or "any reasonably foreseeable witness or the substance of their testimony." Although that language is ambiguous and potentially far-reaching, Chutkan said it left Trump free to defend himself and criticize the prosecution, a major issue in his current presidential campaign.
Trump portrays the prosecution as a legally baseless and blatantly corrupt attempt to help President Joe Biden by distracting and discrediting his opponent. Chutkan said Trump could continue to make that argument, provided he did not "vilify and implicitly encourage violence against public servants who are simply doing their jobs."
Under Chutkan's order, Trump can describe the prosecution as politically motivated, but he cannot call Smith "deranged" or refer to his staff as "thugs" and "political sleazebags." Such insults, Chutkan worries, are apt to "encourage violence."
That rationale, Trump's lawyers argue, amounts to an unconstitutional "heckler's veto," constraining the candidate's speech based on speculation about how his audience might react to it. As Millett noted, "inflammatory language" generally is protected by the First Amendment.
Millett mentioned a 1987 case in which the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit rejected a gag order imposed on Rep. Harold E. Ford Sr. (D–Tenn.), who argued that the Reagan administration's corruption case against him was politically and racially motivated. "Calling someone racist is pretty inflammatory," Millett noted.
The "clearly overbroad" order that the 6th Circuit vacated was more sweeping than the order against Trump. Among other things, it covered any "opinion of or discussion of the evidence and facts in the investigation or case," statements about "any alleged motive the government may have had in filing the indictment," and "any opinion" about "the merits of the case."
Chutkan's order nevertheless seems to cover some of the same territory. On its face, it precludes Trump from discussing what potential witnesses might say, which goes to the heart of the case against him.
As Trump's lawyers note, those potential witnesses include estranged allies such as former Vice President Mike Pence and former Attorney General Bill Barr. If Trump is not allowed to "target" them, does that mean he cannot respond to their criticism of him, which is obviously relevant to his qualifications for office?
Still, concerns about witness intimidation cannot be dismissed out of hand. The government cites a pattern of harassment and threats inspired by Trump's public attacks on people he believed had wronged him, including Pence and election workers in Georgia.
On October 24, four days after Chutkan temporarily froze her gag order, Trump publicly wondered if Mark Meadows, his former chief of staff, would show himself to be a "coward" and "weakling" by agreeing to "lie" for the prosecution in exchange for immunity. The question for the D.C. Circuit is whether Chutkan overstepped in trying to stop Trump from making comments like that.
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Oddly, I don't see his claim as hyperbolic at all. At least compared to most political rhetoric, it seems pretty much on point.
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You have to remember. Sullum hates trump and everything he stands for, so he has to continue to attack him even when the state is abusing its power to go after him.
It is why sullum continues to ignore all the political machinations and abuses from Smith against Trump and witnesses.
I don't recall you ever denouncing female genital mutilation in Africa. That means you totally and completely support the practice. Anything you say now would be back-peddling from the stance you took by not saying anything. You stated your approval by not stating anything. Don't try to defend yourself now, because anything you say that's different from what you didn't say is a lie.
I'm fairly sure Jesse HAS brought up FGM in the past and condemned it.
If he did he was back-peddling from what he didn't say.
You know the rules around here. If somebody declares what someone else thinks based upon what wasn't said, then they are correct and that someone else is a liar if they disagree.
So even when you're wrong you make up lies lol.
Seek help.
And why the hell would you white knight for JesseAz? He's scum.
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Have you ever considered telling someone you disagree with why what they say is wrong, as opposed to telling them that they as a person are wrong? You don’t change minds by attacking people. That just puts them on the defensive.
One of these days you'll actually use that comment in the correct context.
Haaaaa ha ha ha ha! Who am I kidding?
You see, I don't call JesseAz "scum" because I disagree with him.
I call him "scum" because he's mendacious, malicious, and malevolent.
You call me scum because I point out what a dishonest hypocrite you are. And it really irks you I'm not the only one who tells you.
Disagreeing your deliberate misinterpretations of what I say (aka lies) is not hypocrisy.
Word for word posts dumbass. Again. Youre pathological.
Who's "White knighting"?
You were incorrect and I pointed it out.
Unaware honesty is "White knighting", but hey, learn something new daily.
That's the new leftist strategy. Take a term being used against the left and get the media to use it to talk about opponents until you've turned its meaning into garbage.
We're at the point where words have no common meaning between left and right. We may as well just grunt angrily at each other.
Come on guys, there are better things to do than insult each other in the Reason comments section.
E.G., I agree Trump's statement wasn't hyperbolic, at least not compared to Biden's continuing denigration of MAGA people and calling them the greatest threat to the nation. And Sullum's writing that was what popped out at me, or you might say nearly cause my eyes to pop out.
I've denounced it many times dumbass.
Several years ago before you said anything about the subject I pointed out that you hadn't denounced it. You only did so after I declared that you supported it by not saying anything. By your rules that means you totally support the practice and were back-peddling and lying when you denounced it.
Can you cite when you mentioned it years ago?
I'm amazed you got even more retarded with your lies.
He’s having a bad outing today. They really should go to the bullpen and perhaps not bring in another lefty.
He pulled a "have you stopped beating your wife yet".
The only response to that is calling them out for using a grade schooler argument. Anything else wasts time and electrons.
No, actually Sullum favors most of the things Trump stands for. Apparently he's under orders to make Trump look bad, no matter how silly that makes Jacob look.
"While Trump's claim was characteristically hyperbolic . . ."
Was it?
Well ... while Sullum's claim was characteristically hyperbolic where Trump is concerned, Trump's claim was characteristically formulated to trigger TDS.
As in, he said something, anything.
Hang Mike Pence! Hang Mike Pence! Hang Mike Pence!
If ye are a TRUE OnlyTrumpFan, ye will AGREE!!!
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/25/trump-expressed-support-hanging-pence-capitol-riot-jan-6-00035117
INSURRECTION FALLOUT
Trump expressed support for hanging Pence during Capitol riot, Jan. 6 panel told
The select panel has heard that, after “hang Mike Pence” chants broke out, the then-president expressed support for the prospect of hanging his No. 2, three people told POLITICO.
And this is bad because...
Political violence is a GREAT thing, you say? Are ye yet in Ukraine or Gaza? If not, when are ye heading there?
Well, if 3 people told Politico that's what he said, I guess that pretty much settles it.
Which 3 people? The 3 Musketeers? The 3 Stooges? Manny, Moe and Jack, the Pep Boys? They don't even dress it up as 'anonymous sources in the Administration'. Given Politico's record, the reporter's sources are probably 'me, myself, and I'.
Your data is from the WRONG TRIBE, so we must REJECT yer so-called "data"!!!
Hunter Biden art does concern me, to be clear about it. However, this is an opportune time to call attention to the hyper-partisans, who will “refute” what you say, by pointing out that your source is “from the wrong tribe”!
Leftist media bias by Vox is a fib sometimes! Hunter Biden art…
https://www.vox.com/2021/8/3/22601671/hunter-biden-art-sales-walter-shaub “Why Obama’s former ethics czar is highly critical of Hunter Biden’s lucrative art sales … There have been many bad-faith “scandals” linked to the president’s son. Walter Shaub thinks this one should be taken seriously.
I wonder if the Trumpaloos will now show up to say that Vox is liberally biased, and can't be trusted? This here “Vox” article MUST mean that Hunter Biden is a GREAT artist, and there are NO opportunities for corruption, here!
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/vox-news-media-bias
“VOX” rated as far-left as is allowed… The needle is pegged!
PROOF, then, that Hunter Biden art is of NO concern to stalwart conservatives and Trumpaloos! (Since Vox always lies, of course).
If I was a real journalist and I made this claim at this point I’d hope my loved ones would have a talk with me.
TDS really is an amazing phenomenon.
If I was a real journalist and I made this claim at this point I’d hope my loved ones would have a talk with me.
I would hope 2 talks. One about the TDS and the other about getting a real job.
Sullum makes his living as a deep state apologist. Journalism has nothing to do with it.
Fortunately for Sullum he's not a real journalist, just a leftist propagandist so no intervention needed.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/20/they-will-pay-trump-shares-social-media-threat-as-his-lawyer-argues-gag-order-is-unfair.html
"I didn't say hang Mike Pence! I didn't say hang the judge! They said it! Or ChatGPT said it! Or AI = GrokPot said it! I was just telling everybody that THEY said it!"
Wearing kinda thin... Will it ONLY stop after shit all goes "Pizza-Gate"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory Or Jan 6th again? How many times must we do this?
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-shares-call-citizen-arrest-185510633.html
Trump shares call for ‘citizen’s arrest’ of Letitia James and his fraud trial judge
Alex Woodward
November 14, 2023·4 min read
Jimmy Morison wonders, HOW LONG till this whole shit-house goes up in flames? I WANNA GET MY KICKS IN!!!! Kink-EEEEEEE!!!
As worthless as Trump has been generally, he has certainly proven to be a valuable lightning rod for government abuse issues! In this example, the First Amendment – like the second and fifth – should be as close to absolute as possible. In all three Amendments, exceptions should be rare, clearly defined, and severely limited. Violations by officials should be vigorously investigated and violators prosecuted!
Love him or hate him Trump has managed to show everyone how corrupt all levels and branches of government have become.
I think back to the OJ Simpson trial and how the media had convicted OJ before the jury had even been picked. I wonder how this judge would have dealt with the media and if he would have issued such a broad gag order on them.
The media and the pols wanted him to walk and he did. The only person calling oj out as the murderer he is was norm Mcdonald, and he got fired for his media job over it. The pols said they were wondering if the national guard should be called in for the riots if the jury didn't decide the case the "correct" way.
Just because your retarded doesn't make you right
But I think it fair to hold Trump to the same general standards as any other criminally indicted defendant facing federal criminal charges. Most of them would NOT have been able to get away with what Trump has and still been allowed to remain free on bail.
Yes, Trumps re-election campaign has to be factored into the equation. But frankly, Trump is a habitual line crosser. Wherever you set the line, he will intentionally parade right up to it or cross it and then whine and complain about being called out for it. For example, he talks shit on the special prosecutor. Calling him deranged etc... Not real smart to do under any circumstance and his lawyers no doubt have told him to shut the f up. But he also goes after Jack's wife. What is the point of that? What potential political reason is there to attack the special prosecutor's wife? Or family? She/they have nothing to do with any of this.
Not real smart to do under any circumstance and his lawyers no doubt have told him to shut the f up.
It's smart under the context that you're running for President, and one of the issues of your campaign is the fact that you're under indictment. It's going to be politically relevant. And calling a prosecutor or a cop that arrests you a "jack-booted thug," is, and must always be, protected speech.
If you can't ever argue that the process being used against you is corrupt, how can you stand up to actual corruption?
Beyond that, this is a Special Prosecutor, not just a prosecutor. It's a person whose entire mission is to target Trump individually. He has no other mandate. So pointing out that he may hold some personal bias that's influencing his pursuit of this case is even more relevant than it might be with a typical case.
your suggestion is that the special prosecutor is bias, but the purpose in appointing a special prosecutor is to avoid bias. Should the Trump cases have just stayed in DOJ under AG Garland?
Special Prosecutors are never unbiased. I can't think of any, even back to Bill Clinton who wasn't an attack dog for the opposition.
Then should this country simple eliminate special prosecutors and just say all cases must be handled by DOJ? We will let the chips fall where they may and not whine about politics.
Part of the problem is that the DOJ is appointed by the President and so no matter how much independence the Department is given there is always a suspicion of political loyalty. This could be changed by having the AG appointed for a longer period so they would run between Presidential terms, or by directly electing the AG as is done in many states.
Fuck off slaver.
Trump gag order elicits TDS compelled gag reflex from Biden backers on Biden.
My prediction is that Chutkan will choke on the gag order
Saw the word "hyperbolic" and skipped straight to the comments to see how many hyperbolic reactions there would be. As usual Trump's Deranged Supporters (TDS) did not disappoint.
So nothing intellectual for you as usual, just your usual grievances. Got it. Sobriety is working out great.
Again. Principled people stand up against state abuses even when they dislike that person. This does not describe you.
I’m not the aggrieved party here and I don’t really like or dislike anyone involved.
Your post is pure projection.
All I said was that I figured the usual suspects would have hyperbolic freakouts over the use of the word "hyperbolic," and I was proven correct.
I will add projection to the list if words you dont understand.
You care more about trashing the person having state abuses against him than the state abuses. Again. No principles.
Really going to claim you don’t dislike Trump? You realize that’s a blatant lie that fools no one, right?
I can't say if I like or dislike the guy. Never met him. I do think his policies related to economics and immigration are a bunch of shit.
You constantly decide him and claim things like everything good he did was on accident despite him campaigning on it. Because youre a raging dumbass neocon who even defends Biden.
"...public servants who are simply doing their jobs."
The Nuremberg Defense. "I was following orders."
CB
"nder Chutkan's order, Trump can describe the prosecution as politically motivated, but he cannot call Smith "deranged" or refer to his staff as "thugs" and "political sleazebags." Such insults, Chutkan worries, are apt to "encourage violence.""
So "woodchippers" definitely out, then?
Calling someone "deranged" or a "thug" may be uncouth but is not a call to violence. The judge policing the speech of a defendant at this nitpicky level is not justified by the alleged threat to court proceedings.
And let's be honest, a statement that the prosecutor is abusing his power and attempting to impede democracy is arguably a much stronger call for violence than any insult or slur. After all, preventing a vote from happening is the strongest attack on democracy possible, after which the only recourse is weaponry.
This is gag order lies somewhere between tone policing and an assurance that he cannot speak at all because it's so vague. It's hardly even a slippery slope at this point
Even saying something like, "This prosecutor needs to be stopped," or "Somebody needs to stop this," is not a call to violence. You can go so much further than the judge is willing to let Trump go in this case because she believes all his supporters are deranged lunatics.
Or she's not worried about violence directed at her. Instead she sees this as an excuse to do what she wants, silencing Trump on the campaign trail, or using it as an excuse to then revoke bail and remand him. That's how it seems to me, at least.
If Trump weren’t a toddler who throws verbal tantrums every time he opens his mouth, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. For the life of me, I cannot, cannot imagine why anyone would listen to that guy. He is a basket case.
So, by all means, let us tackle the problem of when too much potty mouth is too much, because that is the question which everyone had at the top of their mind this morning when they got out of bed and asked themselves, “what good can I accomplish with the breath God gave me today?”
I am not a Never-Trumper, but, dang, I sure am Anti-Trump. Come on, people! The guy is a car wreck in motion. You really think he’s going to be able to administer anything? If he can't even control his tongue, he certainly can't control anything more difficult.
You're saying that to people who would make the man dictator for life if they could.
Another lie to justify your lack of principles.
Go defend Joe again. Working great for you.
Go defend Joe again.
Soon as you stop beating your wife.
Is that why yours left? Want your Joe posts. Where you say how much he recognizes the constitution and how wrong it is to say FJB?
Some people I don’t like are just not worthy of constitutional protections!
If someone I don’t like gets elected it is the end of our democracy!
From what I've seen, Trump's Deranged Supporters (TDS) sure seem to think that.
To save democracy we must severely limit freedom of political speech and find ways of barring candidates we do not from legally running.
If we don't like the outcome of an election we can declare it to be fraudulent and switch the burden of proof, and if that doesn't work storm the Capital building while they're certifying the results.
Aren't those the new post 2016 rules? I mean ANTIFA and BLM along with a smattering of allies set police stations on fire and rioted in just about every liberal controlled city across the nation after Trump was elected and Hillary claimed the election was stolen by the Russians.
Damn few of those rioters went to prison much less spent the night in jail. Most were bailed out by Democrat politicians. Why would the infamous Jan 6th demonstrators expect a different result?
Butt, whatabout that them thar whatabouts? Whatabout Hillary? Whatabout OJ Simpson?
How many brain cells does it take to run a socio-political simulation on the following:
Judge and Jury: “Murderer, we find you guilty of murder! 20 years in the hoosegow for YOU! Now OFF with ye!”
Murderer: “But OJ Simpson got off for murder, why not me? We’re all equal, and need to be treated likewise-equal!”
Judge and Jury: “Oh, yes, sure, we forgot about that! You’re free to go! Have a good life, and try not to murder too many MORE people, please! Goodbye!”
Now WHERE does this line of thinking and acting lead to? Think REALLY-REALLY HARD now, please! What ABOUT OJ Simpson, now? Can we make progress towards peace & justice in this fashion?
Which did not do anything to change the result, and was not going to, was it?
But Dear Leader TrumpfenFarter-Fuhrer is ready, able, and willing to TRY SHIT AGAIN!!! If you don't succeed at first, try, try, and try shit again!!!
The Meeting of the Right Rightist Minds will now come to Odor!
Years ago by now, Our Dear Leader announced to us, that He may commit murder in broad daylight, and we shall still support Him! So He Has Commanded, and So Must Shit be Done!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters
And now, oh ye Faithful of the Republican Church, Shit Has Become Known Unto us, that Shit is also in His Power and Privilege Ass Well, to murder the USA Constitution in broad daylight. Thus He Has Spoken, and Thus Must Shit Be Done! Thou shalt Render Unto Trump, and simply REND the USA Constitution, and wipe thine wise asses with shit! Do NOT render unto some moldering old scrap of bathroom tissue! Lest we be called fools, or worse!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
Proud Boys, STAND with TRUMP, and stand by! And if ye don’t agree 110%, then we don’t need you polluting our world, because all who disagree with us in ANY way are LEFTISTS!!!
There, I think that’s a wrap! I’ve covered shit ALL! You can take the rest of the day off now.
(You’re welcome!)
I’m sorry you fell off the wagon.
I'm sorry that your family has to spend time with you during the holidays.
But enough about the Cunt®™ (legally known as Hillary Rodham Clinton) and Adam Schiff.
https://mtracey.medium.com/the-most-predictable-election-fraud-backlash-ever-4187ba31d430
People on the left side are literally saying that electing Trump is an end to democracy. I have yet to see a single person on the right say that they want Trump to be the president for life.
To be fair I have talked about setting up the Trump family as a new royal family for America. Of course I say it because it so effectively screws leftists into the ceiling.
Orange-dick-suckers will NEVER stop sucking orange dick!
Der TrumpfenFuhrer ***IS*** responsible for agitating for democracy to be replaced by mobocracy!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses.
Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.
Trump’s constant re-telling and supporting the Big Lie (any election not electing Trump is “stolen”) set up the environment for this (insurrection riot) to happen. He shares the blame. Boys will be boys? Insurrectionists will be insurrectionists, trumpanzees gone apeshit will be trumpanzees gone apeshit, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Trump was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
It really should immediately make us think of Krystallnacht. Hitler and the NAZIs set up for this by constantly blaming Jews for all things bad. Jew-haters will be Jew-haters, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Hitler was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
Shit eater continues to obsess about Trump’s penis. Freak. Show.
I told ya so!!!!
The Sad Saga of the Stolen Erections
And lo, it came to pass, that Tim the Enchanter blew upon His Magic Flute, and led me to a secret cave (the Cave of Caerbannog), whereupon mystic runes carved into the very living rock foretold of a day to come.
This sad, sad day has now manifested itself, just as foretold. The Promised One had been delivered to us, and was to fertilize His Queen, Spermy-Stormy Daniels, in an amazing scene; a glaze of Vaseline. Their offspring were to be called Strumpets… Which is a concatenation of Stormy and Trump. They were to number in the millions… About 332 million; enough for all residents of the USA to be issued one Strumpet per each resident, to sit on his or her right shoulder, and make sure that each resident stayed WAAAY Righteous. Each Strumpet was to progressively exert more and more Righteousness Control over each resident, by covering them in Strumpet Vines.
Sad to say, the Bad Bider-Grunch stole Trumpsmas AND Trump’s Erections! The stolen erections prevented the birth of the 332 million Strumpets, in the world’s WORST mass murder (genocide) so far! Even Saint Babbitt could NOT save the Strumpets!
This is the Sad Tale of the Demise of the USA!
Ask him about Stormy Daniels.
Stormy Daniels NEVER threw herself ALL over my body, LUSTING after always MORE from MEEE; Your Truly!!!
SPERMY Daniels, though?!?! SHE did, Big Time!!! Butt I spurned her, and burned her! Turned her DOWN! I was afraid that I might contract The Clap, or Trumpalooisim, AKA OnlyTrumpFan-ism!!! A DEADLY disease, lemme tell ya!!! It robs yer mind, of ALL actual THINKING powers!!!
The "Ivanka 2024" yard signs turned out pretty nice.
I guess we'll have to wait for '28 now.
I am not a Never-Trumper, but, dang, I sure am Anti-Trump. Come on, people! The guy is a car wreck in motion. You really think he’s going to be able to administer anything? If he can’t even control his tongue, he certainly can’t control anything more difficult.
That's why we reluctantly voted for the guy with dementia!
"he’s going to be able to administer anything?"
Maybe De-Administer some things is exactly why people like the guy.
So of course you sheep looking for a master/dictator don't get it.
Cleanest trial ever.
No wide-spread gag orders.
Will see if it is 100% effective.
This trial will be as clean as Biden’s diapers.
Trump was just asking for it. Did you see what he was wearing?
Chutkan said Trump could continue to make that argument, provided he did not "vilify and implicitly encourage violence against public servants who are simply doing their jobs."
What does "implicitly" mean in this context? How is Trump supposed to know what the judge will infer from what he says before he speaks? This gag order has "overbreadth" and "chilling effect" written all over it.
The gag order is entirely unconstitutional. Robert Barnes has an excellent explainer on why.
If the courts face any threats, that is because of their own actions, not because of Trump's criticism. That's the real problem here and one that the courts cannot resolve.
Who holds judges accountable?
Still, concerns about witness intimidation cannot be dismissed out of hand. The government cites a pattern of harassment and threats inspired by Trump's public attacks on people he believed had wronged him, including Pence and election workers in Georgia.
Oh my god, people who work for the government faced public scrutiny! Whatever can be done to stop this?
The solution is simple-repeal the first amendment. If you don't like people making public statements about public servants that might result in them being harassed, then you need to alter the constitution to take that into consideration.
Gag orders are regularly used in trials and I don't see why they could not be used here. There is plenty of opportunity for Trump as a candidate to address a wide range political issues of importance, including his indictments. The first amendment has never been absolute and I don't see why Trump should get special rights not allowed to others.
Gag orders are rare and always case related. This Gag order wasn't a rare situation or case related. But don't let that get in the way of your free-speech is a "special rights" lecture.
I stand by "special rights". I have never seen the amount of leeway given a defendant that Trump is given in these cases. I am certain that were the defendant a poor person they would never be allowed to speak outside the courtroom in the manner that Trump does.
You must live in a major leftard police state then. I've never seen the amount of witch-hunting tactics nor the amount of 'these' bogus prosecution-al cases thrown at any defendant simultaneously and frankly I'm not alone in seeing it that way.
Seeing what the left does is disturbingly dishonorable and explains completely why you also think poor people don't have any right to speak outside the courtroom. Perhaps that lefty environment has taught you that only the rich people get right and therefore you see them as "special rights".
...because that's what [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] do...
I don't see where calling Smith and the rest of the prosecution, judge included, Stassi or Gestapo agents of a corrupt party and AG are out.
Seems fine to me. The idea that we are innocent until proven guilty has at its heart the assertion that the police and prosecutors are jack booted thugs who are railroading an innocent man.
If we stop a persecuted person from talking about the persecution we are going the other direction and the entire innocent until proven guilty argument goes out the window. We then assume the police and prosecutors are angels above bias and corruption so if they are bringing charges the charged must be guilty and any attempts to argue for innocence are pointless.
Think about any of the cop shows you may have watched. The cops drag people in for questioning. The innocent people don't ask for a lawyer and tell the cops everything. The guy who stands on his Consituational rights is always the guilty person in the end. Their lawyers are portrayed as slimy crooks who use that filthy constitution to protect guilty people.
As-if this isn’t really just another part of the left-Nazi’s “Witch-Hunt” that has been going on for years. “How DARE anyone threaten to clean our Nazi-Swamp!!! We’ll hang the witch!!!”, sincerely Democratic Nazis.
Proudly pitching the [Na]tional So[zi]alist government take-over of the USA under the disguise of “democracy” used to cancel everyone’s Individual Rights, Liberty and Justice in this nation. A treasonous crime spree run amok.