Target Shuts Stores as Criminal Justice Reform Gets Mugged
We need less intrusive law enforcement, not the treatment of crime as a lark.

There are different ways to rein in cops when they're out of hand: You can demilitarize law enforcement, repeal intrusive laws that create unnecessary conflicts, and focus police on the core responsibilities of protecting life, liberty, and property; or you can treat crime as a lark, discourage self-defense, and create an environment of chaos and danger. Most reformers hoped they were getting the first option, but too many Americans see themselves living in the midst of an Escape from New York remake. The result is likely a call for unleashing police that bypasses real reform and starts the cycle over again.
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This Week in Looting News
"At Target, we take the decision to close stores very seriously, and only do so after taking meaningful steps to invest in the guest experience and improve business performance. With that said, we have made the difficult decision to close nine Target stores across four states, effective Oct. 21," the retail chain announced September 26. "In this case, we cannot continue operating these stores because theft and organized retail crime are threatening the safety of our team and guests, and contributing to unsustainable business performance."
That wasn't even the most remarkable looting news this week. On Tuesday, organized gangs raided businesses across Philadelphia.
"Before the night was over, police said, groups had broken into businesses across Philadelphia, stealing, ransacking and leaving destruction in their wake," reported the Philadelphia Inquirer. "Dozens of people — including what police described as a caravan of 'criminal opportunists' — broke into stores along popular shopping corridors from Center City to the Northeast to West Philadelphia."
The Inquirer compared the night of looting to the even worse riots of 2020, which provides at least some insight into the motivation. Just as the events of 2020 drew inspiration from resentment of police misconduct, so some of the looters claimed justification for their crimes in the dismissal of charges against a former police officer who shot and killed Eddie Irizarry in August. In fact, though, outbursts then and now probably have more to do with the rising social tensions of recent years, exacerbated by pandemic lockdowns which coincided with the reversal of a decades-long drop in crime rates.
"After years of decline, crime rose during the Covid-19 pandemic, particularly violent crime," the Brennan Center for Justice's Ames Grawert and Noah Kim pointed out earlier this year. "Amid a series of interlocking crises, violent crime and some types of property crime rose across the country in 2020 in communities of all types."
Criminal Justice Reform Done Badly
But a fractured society makes for an amorphous culprit when you want to blame somebody for crime. An easier target is the crop of reform-minded prosecutors who rode into office on a wave of unhappiness with law enforcement. That's made simpler when some of those prosecutors are divorced from reality and see their jobs not as changing the way police protect the public, but rather as deemphasizing the role of protecting the public at all. San Francisco's Chesa Boudin, the son of 1960s radicals, was especially complicit in botching criminal justice reform.
"A San Francisco Chronicle analysis of the new data found that, in his two years in office, Boudin has increased diversion rates for assault, robbery and drug cases, and decreased convictions of the same crimes," SFGATE reported before Boudin was recalled from office by voters. "An SFGATE analysis of the data found that trend also held true for defendants accused of petty theft, the charge most often leveled against shoplifters and other perpetrators of retail theft."
San Francisco has been a major center of smash-and-grab crimes which drive away shoppers and businesses alike. But it's hardly alone, as evidenced by events in Philadelphia and Target's store closures.
"Retail crime, violence and theft continue to impact the retail industry at unprecedented levels," the 2023 National Retail Security Survey found. "This year's study found that the average shrink rate in FY 2022 increased to 1.6%, up from 1.4% in FY 2021 and in line with shrink rates seen in 2020 and 2019…. While retail shrink encompasses many types of loss, it is primarily driven by theft, including organized retail crime (ORC)."
Some prosecutors go so far as to penalize people who defend themselves. Only under significant public pressure did Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg drop murder charges against Joseph Alba, a bodega worker who fatally stabbed an attacker. Charles Foehner, another New York City resident, faces a long stretch in prison because the gun with which he defended himself from a mugger wasn't licensed.
It's easy to see why the public might conclude that prosecutors are on the wrong side of the law.
Reformist Prosecutors Don't Deserve All the Blame
That said, the rush to blame reform-minded prosecutors doesn't fully stand up to scrutiny. Crime continued to rise in San Francisco under Brooke Jenkins, Chesa Boudin's tougher-minded successor. Elsewhere, homicides, aggravated assault, robberies and burglaries declined during the first half of 2023 relative to 2022 (the big exception is car theft, which is way up). It may be that recovering from the damaging pandemic lockdown policies of 2020, which severely aggravated mental health problems, plays a bigger role than the actions, good or bad, of prosecutors.
"My colleagues and I conducted a review of all of the studies on mental health conducted during the first year of the pandemic," Australian social psychologist Gery Karantzas wrote last year. "Those who experienced lockdowns were twice as likely to experience mental ill health than those who didn't."
But there's no doubt that deemphasizing the policing and prosecution of crimes against people and property is a bad idea, and a very unpopular one. Officials in Oakland, California, who two years ago were cutting police funding now face calls to hire more officers. Progressive prosecutors have become piñatas for law-and-order conservatives. And Target is far from the only business to call out theft and close stores in response. The public's concerns about crime need to be addressed.
But just as not all criminal justice reform is the same, neither is all emphasis on law enforcement. The danger is that, in recoiling from some prosecutors' refusal to take real crimes seriously, we'll get a renewed crackdown on bullshit "crimes." It wasn't long ago that New York's tax-driven ban on loose cigarettes got Eric Garner killed by police. That fueled calls for true criminal justice reform of the sort that would get rid of intrusive laws which create unnecessary conflicts between police and the public. Had we got that version of reform—and skipped an outbreak of crazy—we'd be far better off.
There's an enormous middle ground between pretending that assaults and burglaries are acceptable and self-defense a bad thing, on the one hand, and setting enforcers loose to torment the public with petty regulations, on the other. We should be occupying that middle, not swinging between extremes.
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Just need a few Rooftop Koreans and this shit will end. Which is exactly where we're headed.
Watching video from Philadelphia, that was exactly my thought. I bet that mob would have stopped their looting spree right quick if a couple of the members ate a round or three from a rifle.
"We want justice! And iPhones!"
Small storeowners/shopkeepers have skin in the game – they paid for and own the merchandise they stock. When it “shrinks”, the loss is real to them. When their business is trashed it is they who must bear the cost of lost merchandise and facility repairs. (Please don’t blather to me about “insurance” – whatever money they get from insurance they lose the next year to increased insurance rates.)
Target/Wal-Mart/etc. stores are crewed and commanded by “hired help”. Especially in view of the tendency of corporate retailers to restrict their employees from loss prevention efforts, and fire them if they improvidently try to do so, I wouldn’t care if “undocumented shoppers” and “disadvantaged yutes” made off not only with the the stock but with the shelves, lights, refrigeration units, and floor tiles from the big commercial retailers who won’t protect themselves.
But, on the other hand, I really believe a legally short-barrelled shotgun loaded with #1 buckshot would empty a small store of looters in literally seconds. (The old saw about 00 buckshot being the cure simply indicates a writer’s lack of real familiarity with weapons and ammunition.) And if a store owner killed 4, or 40, or 400 looters on his premises, I wouldn’t be willing to find him guilty of anything more serious than littering, and that only if he failed to pick up his empty hulls (always remember to “police your ‘brass’ ”). I would be open to having the Sanitation Department charge him a modest removal fee for each looter’s corpse they had to haul away.
And – presto, chango – watch my left hand carefully – looting and smash-grab robberies would cease against owners willing to protect their own.
(The old saw about 00 buckshot being the cure simply indicates a writer’s lack of real familiarity with weapons and ammunition.)
You've done a great job convincing me that you are even more retarded than everyone, real or fictional, involved in this story.
Nearly every military, law enforcement organization, weapons manufacturer, and arms designer around the world for the last hundred years has been designing and deploying shotguns ineffectively and or incorrectly for the last 100 yrs. and can't figure it out but you've solved it for them? You mean to tell me we would've licked the Germans in a week if only we'd been using 0.30" pellets instead of 0.33" pellets?!?! How did we not think of this?!?!
You fucking dumbass.
Just need a few Rooftop Koreans and this shit will end
Or the Stockton Sikh Crime Prevention Team:
https://www.kcra.com/amp/article/stockton-7-eleven-attempted-robbery-ends-beatdown/44730593
An excellent caning.
Good news: Stockton 7-Eleven clerks who stopped alleged thief won't be charged, DA says
Keep the cane handy: Alleged thief in viral 7-Eleven beatdown video stole 2 other times
Protip: when the only weapon you have at hand is a broom, don't try to swing it like a club, use it like a spear. You can get your full weight into it, and it's far harder to deflect that way. If you're heavy and fast enough, you can break a perp's ribs fairly easily, and possible even impale him.
-jcr
I favor bullwhips. Indiana Jones style.
Yup, cannot blame “reform-minded prosecutors”. That things turned to shit when they came into office was just PURE coincidence.
Your hope, Reason, is dead.
It is much more important to go after political enemies that thrraten the jobs of our betters than violent criminals who merely threaten the lives of the plebiscite.
Basically. We've also seen that "reform prosecutors" have few problems abusing their power against their political foes, so this is not reform. It's just pure authoritarianism.
The article did not that you cannot blame "reform minded prosecutors", it said they don't deserve ALL of the blame. Which implies that they deserve some of the blame. Criticize what the article actually says.
It blames "mental health" from "pandemic lockdowns"...which seem to ONLY be causing problems where progressive prosecutors are.
They're example of what it not their fault seems flimsy, at best.
The same reform minded prosecutors were cracking down on people during the lockdowns. The right people, that is. They would never shut down mostly peaceful protests because they were for a bigger cause.
Just need to get rid of all the progressives.
"In fact, though, outbursts then and now probably have more to do with the rising social tensions of recent years, exacerbated by pandemic lockdowns which coincided with the reversal of a decades-long drop in crime rates."
So it's not a sense of entitlement and a lack of consequences?
Yes, but the increase in that sense of entitlement and lack of consequences grew exponentially as a direct result of our government's extremely dumb-ass response to the pandemic.
It'd also pay to look separately at economic crimes from crimes of pure cussedness. Something tells me a different group is motivated to form roving theft mobs from the individuals who just maim and destroy.
Sorry. Anybody with enough strength to break a door or window has the strength to break a person too…and they will if that person gets in the way of looters while unarmed.
And "cussed" is too friendly a term. Libertarians are cussed at their best. Looters are craven and evil.
No, it grew in response to extremely stupid, pro-criminal changes to the law and it's enforcement with enough time for the criminals to realize that yes, the politicians meant it.
Funny how no one ever steals work boots - - - - - - -
And you must be very careful not to single out any particular demographic.
We all know what the solution to this is. If I were a business owner and this went down at my shop? Boom, boom, out go the lights.
See the article above. Business owners who do that end up prosecuted more aggressively than the attackers they are defending themselves from.
Feature not bug.
The goal of progressive prosecutors is to sympathize with the ordinary criminal [aka victims of systemic oppression] while coming down hard on erstwhile law abiding citizens who have the temerity to do for themselves what is entirely within the purview of the State, that is to dispense violence. And that violence is not to be directed toward systemically oppressed criminals, wither by police or citizens.
That just wouldn't be woke, would it?
"Deimocracy", from the Greek "deimos", for "rule by terror".
You are going to live in your shop? And, as mentioned by others, you unload a shotgun into some guy who was "trying to feed his family while thinking about going to college" and it will be you not bending over to pick up soap in the prison showers.
Enough people get fed up and defend their property in ways they have every right to do, law or no law, and the nonsense ends, period. And the laws will change. That Rittenhouse was found not guilty was pretty heartening.
I believe the Rittenhouse affair is the epitome for a bad outcome in the progressive crowd. They, being the State, clearly wants a monopoly on force, otherwise their ability to impose their beliefs will be in doubt.
Dozens of people — including what police described as a caravan of 'criminal opportunists' — broke into stores along popular shopping corridors from Center City to the Northeast to West Philadelphia.
Uh, try hundreds of subhumans, Philadelphia Inquirer.
"Dozens of people — including what police described as a caravan of 'criminal opportunists' — broke into stores along popular shopping corridors from Center City to the Northeast to West Philadelphia."
That's not Woke-Language. It's all about EQUALITY!!!! /s
Here's your Woke-Acceptable language.
"Millions of [WE]-mob-social-?justice? warriors (caravan of 'criminal opportunists') used 'guns' (gov-guns) to break into rich, greedy, corrupt billionaires assets to take what they rightfully deserve."
A nation ran by crooks is pretty obviously liable for setting an example for non-nationally approved crook-gangs formation. Once upon a time the USA was about ensuring Liberty and Justice for all.
"A nation ran by crooks is pretty obviously liable for setting an example for non-nationally approved crook-gangs formation." Pretty much as set forth in an essay in Robert James Bidinotto's libertarian book about crime, written some 50 years ago.
IIRC, it was a two-part essay in The Freeman from The Foundation for Economic Education and it was more like 33 years ago that Bidinotto wrote it. Great pull-no-punches work!
You ended an otherwise good article with a lousy paragraph. As your analysis shows, this is not a middle ground, a compromise, or an averaging out. Rather, it's off the spectrum. It's finding the contrast knob instead of trying to adjust only brightness.
“As your analysis shows, this is not a middle ground, a compromise, or an averaging out.” … What’s the “this” in your sentence? What we have now? Does this PROVE that the Reason-desired “middle ground” can NOT exist? What do YOU propose? Re-write that paragraph to YOUR liking, and see if YOU can please everyone!
It’s easy to be a critic… Whatever we have, it’s not good enough for MEEEE! But don’t ask me to propose something better… I just like to fence-straddle and harp and moan!
(Me personally, I think that this last paragraph is spot-on! Cutting back VASTLY on the tribalism, and on regarding Government Almighty as a tool to reward friends and punish enemies, and replacing it with "keeping the peace and enforcing property rights", would go a LONG way!)
I don't often say this but I have to agree with Sqrlsy. That closing paragraph was okay. Maybe it could have been better but if so, it's on you as the critic to show how.
I'm a little skeptical that Sqrlsy's 'tribalism' calling isn't just a self-projection blame game from exactly what Sqrlsy's heart desires.
"Government Almighty as a tool to reward friends and punish enemies" -- which is exactly what Democrats do endlessly (especially to Trump) as if that wasn't apparent to everyone but Sqrlsy.
Bowing down to [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] “armed-theft” to “keep the peace” is a dead-end road. ‘Guns’ don’t make sh*t.
But so long as enforcing property rights comes *before* keeping the peace Sqrlsy did make a very good last paragraph there.
Except his writing for the last 4 years shows this is exactly what he demands, he just doesn't like the consequences associated with his policy preferences.
Oh please. The squirrel is just mouthing buzzwords. He, much like the prog prosecutors, has zero stomach for addressing the “tribalism” of the looters. He’s more than happy to wag a self righteous finger at their critics for “pouncing” however.
Citations or examples please, Oh Lying Esteemed Greasy-Pants!
"Still the man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" - Simon and Garfunkel
BLM rioters and other rioters burned some buildings and stole some sneakers and TVs, and conservatives want to lynch BLMers! Ashli Babbs wanted to steal democracy, and conservatives want to turn Her into a Saint!
Rioters of all stripes are to be condemned, not turned into heroes, in my mind! BUT, if I have my choice, please steal my sneakers AND my TV, and let me keep my democracy!
Sneakers and TVs can be quickly replaced, in a free market. Democracy? If stolen by Trumpistas, there is NO telling WHEN, if ever, we'll get it back!
Hitler and Lenin-and–then-Stalin stole budding democracies… At HOW great of a price? Do we REALLY want Trump to REPEAT this experiment?
Ashli Babbs wanted to steal democracy,
Steal democracy? What? Did she have it stashed under her jacket as the murderer shot her even though she posed no threat to life or limb? “Steal democracy” is ignorant left-wing bullshit. “Protest alleged election fraud” or “petition for redress of greivances (alleged election fraud)” are far more accurate descriptions. In a free society, the protestors get the benefit of the doubt, not government agents.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/theres-word-what-trumpism-becoming/619418/
There’s a Word for What Trumpism Is Becoming
The relentless messaging by Trump and his supporters has inflicted a measurable wound on American democracy.
From above…
“The conversion of Ashli Babbitt into a martyr, a sort of American Horst Wessel, expresses the transformation. Through 2020, Trump had endorsed deadly force against lawbreakers: “When the looting starts, the shooting starts,” he tweeted on May 29, 2020. Babbitt broke the law too, but not to steal a TV. She was killed as she tried to disrupt the constitutional order, to prevent the formalization of the results of a democratic election.”
Well, also Saint Babbitt was unarmed, they say... To this I say...
What utter bullshit! A lion, tiger, or bear charges you, having NO weapons other than their body parts... Just as "un-armed" as Saint Babbitt... Are you, or are you NOT gonna shoot said predator, if you have a gun? If I beat the shit out of you, with my fists, shall I be forgiven, 'cause I was... unarmed?
My GAWD you (Saint Babbitt Worshitters) fascists are illogical!!!
By your own BS; Hillary Clinton should be shot on sight from the very moment she claimed Russia hacked her election and went on for TWO F'En years disrupting/trying to dismiss the results of the 2016 democratic election results.
When engaging the spastic asshole, expect assholish remarks.
She also appropriated a bunch of culture.
Rightists when Ashli Babbs & the Trumpanzees Gone Apeshit are criticized: "Whatabout BLM and Anti-Fa and other rioting assholes"?
Leftists when BLM and Anti-Fa and other rioting assholes are criticized: "Whatabout Ashli Babbs & the Trumpanzees Gone Apeshit"?
Whatabout whatabout whatabout & the whatabouts?!?!?!
How many brain cells does it take to run a socio-political simulation on the following:
Judge and Jury: “Murderer, we find you guilty of murder! 20 years in the hoosegow for YOU! Now OFF with ye!”
Murderer: “But OJ Simpson got off for murder, why not me? We’re all equal, and need to be treated likewise!”
Judge and Jury: “Oh, yes, sure, we forgot about that! You’re free to go! Have a good life, and try not to murder too many people, please! Goodbye!”
Now WHERE does this line of thinking and acting lead to? Think REALLY-REALLY HARD now, please! What ABOUT OJ Simpson, now? Can we make progress towards peace & justice in this fashion?
In a free society, protestors get the benefit of the doubt over the authorities.
Agreed! However, peaceful protesters are different animals than property-stealing, property-destroying, murdering, and maiming rioters.
And guess which protesting group did lots and lots and lots of all of that for weeks and which group didn't.
Modern TVs do all that by the remote or even by themselves. The main concern should be keeping the damn thing from getting stolen or thrown through your window or upside your head.
Massive corporations, especially Target with all the money they spend on woke virtue signaling, stand to be well compensated for these Planet of the Apes episodes by our coming ESG overlords.
“Suffered a little financial loss, facilitating our Mostly Peaceful Protest? This ought to take care of things” -electronic money transferred at whatever Blackrock calls themselves in the near future.
That Target is sticking their necks out and closing nine fucking stores, and saying exactly why, shows how bad the organized looting has really gotten.
The more reasonable reformist movement got hijacked by racist progressives who brought into the conversation an insistence that every problem with police is the result of racism rather than bad procedures and training to handle tough situations.
This mess is largely the due to the reformists allowing themselves to be controlled by bad actors.
Agreed. We had a brief window for meaningful police reform but squandered it by allowing race-baiters to hijack the debate. We had a similar window for meaningful tax reform before the TEA Party movement got hijacked, too.
Basically. I was all aboard with demilitarizing the police during Ferguson --- then it became "it's all RAY-CIST!" and I checked out.
Darren Wilson was innocent.
This article, while OK, was just better summarized in these 4 lines.
Progressives progressed, Looters looted, Target targeted.
Everyone who didn't see this coming, raise your hand. Everyone without their hand raised, slap the nearest person with their hand up.
The question is as a libertarian, how to vote regarding district attorneys. Does the good libertarian vote for a "law and order" DA who will more vigorously prosecute property crime and violent crime but also more harshly prosecute victimless non-compliances like drug offences and prostitution which libertarians would legalize? Or vote for the "progressive" DA who will not prosecute, or leniently prosecute, victimless non-compliances but also be excessively lenient in prosecuting actual crimes with victims?
As libertarians, the conservatives and liberals need our votes more than we need theirs. Libertarians are not going to be elected any time soon, but liberals and conservatives will. But, whether a conservative or liberal gets my vote depends upon how libertarian he or she is. If either wants my vote, don't push drug or prostitution prosecution, but vigorously prosecute crimes with defined victims.
I'd argue that arrests for drug possession are less damaging to property rights than permitting unrestricted looting of any store and harshly punishing anybody guilty of self-defense.
But that's just me.
Well, "The War On (Some) Drugs"does damage the dealer's property rights, the bank and insurance company's property right to freely contract, and the purchasers property right in his/her/xe/xer money and body. Kind of a big deal.
That sounds like a great way to address the false dilemma. Also, playing long game, more Libertarians could, if wealthy and so inclined, go to law school, become attorneys, fight the good fight for both victimless offenders and rights of crime victims, and run for DA themselves.
*Sigh!* Want something done right, including Justice, you gotta do it yourself.
Woke corpos (target, apple) getting robbed: good, couldn't care less. Let the looters take everything and burn the store down. They can call it reparations or anti-racism penance. Its what they deserve for their pandering and creating this society.
Private business getting robbed: We need some Rittenhouse action, plain and simple.
Where is Batman when you need him?
In bed with Robin.
“Rittenhouse action”? Teenagers getting way in over their head with playing vigilante with a gun, almost getting himself killed?
Do you care nothing for the truth?
That's been established for a long time.
Pretty sure 'the truth', as a concept, is totally beyond the ken of this lying pile of lefty shit.
Funny, in the end it was your fellow travelers who got killed for fucking with him. A pity your kind can’t learn lessons. And he wasn’t a vigilante. He was being laid to protect private property, because your fellow travelers in government wouldn’t.
Why do t you go peddle your Marxist propaganda at WaPo? You and your fellow travelers there can have a big circle jerk.
He had far better gun discipline than cops.
Just sayin'.
I care about an Apple store getting looted only because allowing this barbarism to run unchecked sets a bad example to society.
You're absolutely right that it does, but there's no stomach in the elites right now to crack down on this, and there may not ever be unless there are some "come to Jesus" moments like what finally happened in the 1990s, or the country cracks in half.
That's the reason there's so much shock when a black person (and let's be honest, that's who is doing most of this mayhem right now) or leftist rioters in general of any skin color suffer the negative consequences of their actions--because the elites have told them that such mayhem and destruction is required to balance the social justice scales.
It's worse than that. The power elite WANT the little people to live in chaos and violence.
Speaking as a retail employee myself, I thoroughly disagree, even though I don't work at Target.
Big-box stores are an anchor which encourages smaller businesses to locate nearby or even in the same mall or plaza and the big-box draws prospective customers to everyone in business.
If the big-box store is not safe from the onslaught of looters, you can best believe that the surrounding businesses won't be safe either.
And, of course, this also applies to residents who live near these businesses as well. We each have a stake in protecting the property rights of all.
Some prosecutors go so far as to penalize people who defend themselves.
Some prosecutors should be imprisoned for civil rights violations.
The danger is that, in recoiling from some prosecutors' refusal to take real crimes seriously, we'll get a renewed crackdown on bullshit "crimes."
So the enlightened takeaway from generations of progressives normalizing pathological behavior and blaming everyone but the perpetrator is concern about bullshit "crimes"? Everything going on has been predicted. The advent of the welfare state, the faux concern over inequality, the grift of Diversity, Inclusion and Equity, and the sadism of the COVID lockdowns all had due dates. But really, which is more important: fatherless boys or the fact that Elon Musk makes more than a Tesla janitor?
bullshit “crimes.”
I think what he means are victimless "crimes" like drug non-compliances or prostitution. If conservative DA candidates want libertarian votes, let them dump the Drug War and vice prosecution.
I don’t care if people do drugs. However, they should be aggressively prosecuted for criminal addict behavior, like theft, vandalism, etc.. instead of being given a pass because ‘they have a disease’.
No disagreement here. But, if a DA candidate promises increased drug or vice enforcement, loses my vote.
Drugs and vice are often accompanied with many criminal activities. It should be prosecuted in the same way people with guns are if used for criminal activity (i.e. armed robbery).
The problem is that cops focus on crimes without victims because they're easy, and largely ignore crimes with victims because that would require work. That and they don't give a fuck.
A while back Neal Boortz proposed an amendment to the Constitution that would require all criminal laws to have an actual victim. Here it is. Thank you google.
'Neither the federal government, nor any state or local government shall make any activity a crime unless said activity violates another person's right to life, liberty, or property, either through force or fraud.'
Imagine that. Cops could no longer fuck with people for no good reason. They'd first interact with a victim, and then other people during the investigation. But they'd be doing it to solve crimes, not because they're bullies with power.
They'd still screw with people and judges would let them. "Oh, I didn't realize it was wrong to strip search someone wearing Nike yellow shoes and wearing a green Jets jersey. That's never exactly happened before and been litigated, so I can't be prosecuted for violating someone's rights."
That might violate the "pursuit of happiness" for criminal minds./s :).
That's a pretty good proposed amendment just hope our criminally-minded victims don't lobby around it in deceitful ways.
Garner resisted arrest. If he was filmed shooting an Uzi into the air he'd still be just as dead. Nothing to do with cigarettes. And now stores are being bankrupted by the 'Garners' of this world but Reason wants us to believe it has something to do with taxes.
That has absolutely nothing to do with my comment.
Garner was selling loose cigarettes. That is a victimless crime.
Shoplifting is theft. That has a clear victim.
So I fail to see what one has to do with the other.
Garner was NOT selling loose cigarettes at the time he was arrested. He was breaking up a fight. The cigarette charge came only from the cop's imagination. Perhaps Garner should not have resisted this false arrest, but the cops should not have been arresting him in the first place.
Here's the thing: There was never an opportunity for "real reform", because the core of the movement was always against enforcing laws protecting life and property.
I mean, seriously. The decarceration movement has been advocating a 50% reduction in the prison population for a decade now -- when an actual majority (51%) of all incarcerated convicts are there for violent crime, and another 13% are in for property crimes.
Pretty sure growing weed or violating other victimless statutes while in possession of a firearm is considered a violent crime.
So I don't trust that that 51% is accurate.
Whatever we're doing isn't working. Doing more ain't going to work any better than doing less.
Doing less of it certainly hasn't helped has it, chicken little?
I would have been curious to see statistics about the crime rates in similarly sized cities that did NOT engage in "Criminal Justice" reform like slashing their police budgets, refusing to arrest people for stealing less than a thousand dollars, or sending repeat criminals into Diversionary Programs as opposed to prison.
I suspect that the author did not want to make such a comparison.
I suspect no grant money has ever been allocated for such a study.
And if it ever was, where would it get published?
OK, I'm not going to demand or say I'm deserving of a government grant or anything but in my "close enough for unpaid government work" research, I found this list of 13 cities that committed to cutting their police forces in 2020:
Austin, TX
Seattle, WA
New York, NY
Los Angeles, CA
San Francisco, CA
Washington, D.C.
Baltimore, MD
Philadelphia, PA
Portland, OR
Hartford, CN
Norman, OK
Salt Lake City, UT
Well here’s a crime trend report for 37 or so cities (includes many of the ones above) from this summer.
Those don’t seem to indicate what you probably want to believe.
Auto theft is WAY up everywhere in a continuous trend.
Drug offenses dropped with the beginning of covid and have stayed lower
Larceny (which would include shoplifting) is very seasonal but overall it doesn’t look like much of a trend change over the last 5 years. That said I have seen a different source that indicates that the West Coast woke cities have seen a big increase along with Memphis, Dallas, New Orleans, Denver, Tulsa, Mobile.
Nonresidential burglaries spiked huge during the Floyd/riots but has since come back down to maybe a bit above pre-covid but basically stable trend.
Residential burglaries are very seasonal and have generally shown a dropping trend.
It also includes violent crimes but I didn't include any of those.
Those companies are never going to go into detail about why they close those stores. Certainly there is some element of increased costs related to shoplifting and ORC – some of which is also a consequence of serious understaffing. And I suspect there is also a pretty significant Amazon factor now. Up to now, Amazon has mostly gutted mall retailers. Now with people working from home, it is gutting different retailers and within those retailers the stores that have less ability to generate delivery-type sales. So – ‘security’ may be at least partially just an excuse that works well so they don’t have to explain whether their business model is failing.
But hey – I’m sure its really all about that criminal class.
Put another way - this interest rate increase is going to kill asset bubbles and commercial real estate is the most vulnerable. And every one of those retailers is commercial real estate
Of course all the street level retailers suffered nothing from the definition of "Felony shop lifting" above a certain value.
J-fucking-Free again proves him/her self to be an ignoramus.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Further, I found this list of US Cities that includes hundreds of additional places like, uh, Gresham, OR, Nampa, ID, and Fishers, IN.
Lastly, I found this list of George Floyd protests which claims over 2,000 US cities, which is far in excess of the 333 listed above and even well more in excess of the 13 original cities. However, paring the data down and bringing the analysis full circle: I didn’t see any footage of police departments on fire, federal buildings under siege, or storeowners being beaten to death and looted from uh [flips pages] Gresham, OR, Nampa, ID, or Fishers, IN. So, the idea that it’s located largely to the places that loudly and overtly reduced their police forces in the name of social justice seems pretty sound or certainly not strongly negatively associated.
There is, of course, the possibility that the police in (e.g.) Elgin, IL bolstered their police response and BLM burned the entire city to the ground and everyone outside Elgin just pretended like it was a small kitchen fire, or a whole series 1667 coincidental kitchen fires associated with and dismissed by the same administration, but how likely is that, really?
And, again, because I’m neither race grifter, Statist, or both, you can keep your criminal research tax dollars.
@Kyol
Do you have an answer to this?
Who cares about motivation. Focus on the behavior. These are criminals. Here’s the root cause. They are allowed to get away with it.
It's entirely possible to pursue criminal justice reform without compromising law and order. But the inconvenient truth is that the kind of reform the libertarians here advocate for will almost certainly lead to more crime.
If you make it easy to sue cops, they'll just avoid scenarios that may land them in trouble. This is called unintended consequences, and libertarians should be familiar with it. It's true for corporations and police alike.
And most cops who gets sued after the removal of qualified immunity won't be jailers who let a sick female inmate die. They'll be ordinary cops who "touched her wrong" during arrest. QI hasn't been repealed yet, but unofficially, it has.
And let's stop beating around the bush here - the push for "reform" isn't primarily motivated by anger over police brutality or pandemic restrictions. It's derives from racial resentment and grievance mongering. Why didn't Fullerton burn after Kelly Thomas was beaten to death? Where were the marches for Tony Timpa? I don't have to spell it out, right?
If you tell BLM that NY's regulation on cigs contributed to Garner's death, they'll laugh at you. He died because the cop is racist, end of discussion. No one assumes guilt until proven innocent in any black involved cop shooting than this group. They'll literally walk off protests when they find out if the victim is white.
Facts don't matter to these people. There's no stat based evidence that blacks lives are risk from systemic persecution. Cops shoots as many whites as blacks, if not more. Most black murder victims were killed by other blacks. There are literally a handful of hate crime murders in a country of 300 plus million. Black dems cry "systemic racism" then vote for the white dems who run the system and would shut down the entire economy at the first sign of a covid variant outbreaks.
Like ending drug and vice prohibition?
Notice the decrease in homicides after the end of alcohol prohibition - https://www.statista.com/statistics/1088644/homicide-suicide-rate-during-prohibition/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0955395911000223 -
"Our findings suggest that increasing drug law enforcement is unlikely to reduce drug market violence. Instead, the existing evidence base suggests that gun violence and high homicide rates may be an inevitable consequence of drug prohibition and that disrupting drug markets can paradoxically increase violence."
Then maybe they'll stop enforcing laws that get them in trouble, like drug and vice laws, and victimless crime laws. See above reference. Or ask Breonna Taylor or Eric Garner..oh..that's right, they're dead. Maybe they'll have to drop authoritarian cop attitude and concentrate on good customer service. Maybe they'll have to become better trained. Most importantly, they'll have to get malpractice insurance like doctors have. Any cop who gets successfully or frequently sued would get insurance rate increases and have to leave the profession, thereby getting rid of abusive officers.
Historically, the greatest threat of being murdered or having one's rights violated comes from government, not individual criminals acting on their own behalf.
Bruce, read this:
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1982103663/reasonmagazinea-20/
There's a reason why we have drug and vice laws.
"It may be that recovering from the damaging pandemic lockdown policies of 2020, which severely aggravated mental health problems, plays a bigger role than the actions, good or bad, of prosecutors."
So, is Reason seriously trying to imply that the looting in Philly was a "mental health crisis"? That the organized retail smash & grab or flash mob robberies are because people are depressed or schizo?
And reaching back to COVID?
Please...weak sauce.
More likely manic, sociopathic, or psychopathic.
Leaving aside whether laws requiring licensing to sell tobacco products are a good idea, the fact remains that Eric Garner got Eric Garner killed. Whatever you may think about New York's "loosie" laws (and I think they're fairly stupid,) Garner chose to resist arrest and his underlying medical issues killed him as a result. Had he complied, he would have lived, at least for a while, until his comorbidities got him.
J.D. TUCCILLE, the problem with editorials such as yours as well as with editors such as yourself, is that you do not seem to have read the United States Constitution and certainly have no knowledge of Supreme Court Rulings. Even the suggestion that "and focus police on the core responsibilities of protecting life, liberty, and property;"
is absurd on its face considering:
SCOTUS has ruled that police have NO DUTY To PROTECT, in fact they defined the ROLE of police precisely to INVESTIGATE AND ARREST.
Since SCOTUS has ruled police have no duty to protect, the PEOPLE by definition retain that right. IF we want to end these criminal activities, the obvious solution is for POLICE to make it clear that the PEOPLE have the right to protect life lIMB AND property and to then teach them the limits of that right and ask them to exercise that right.
Such crimes are often perpetrated by those who feel society isn’t giving them a fair shake. As is typical many factors can play a part but I believe this the most important – based on a study I read some years ago. Not poverty, not laws, although prosecutors looking the other way en mass wasn’t a thing then. Nor were laws decriminalizing theft. Still, what else has been in vogue recently? Perhaps something like white privilege, systematic racism, DE&I, our president and other executive branch leaders labeling us the most racist country on the planet? Didn’t Blinken get a tongue lashing from the racial-diversity-loving CCP (as long as one is Han)? So how do people of color react?
At this point, maintaining a physical store in any democrat-controlled city is just reckless endangerment of the store's employees. Target should shutter this location, and move any existing stores in such areas to distant suburbs with Republican administrations.
-jcr