Judge Blocks Idaho From Punishing Doctors for Referring Women Out of State for Abortions
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Idaho can't start prosecuting doctors for referring women to out-of-state clinics where they can get abortions, according to a new federal court ruling.
Judge B. Lynn Winmill of the U.S. District Court for the District of Idaho has granted a preliminary injunction against the state enforcing the law in this way.
Under current Idaho law, abortion is almost totally banned, and doctors who perform, attempt to perform, or assist in performing an abortion can have their licenses suspended and be criminally prosecuted. Idaho Attorney General Raúl Labrador stated in a March letter that the law "prohibits an Idaho medical provider from either referring a woman across state lines to access abortion services or prescribing abortion pills for the woman to pick up across state lines."
"This letter was meant to be private and was not issued as formal guidance, but the anti-abortion group Stanton International obtained the letter and posted it on its website," notes The Hill. "The attorney general later withdrew the opinion and said his letter was 'mischaracterized as law enforcement guidance.'"
Still, Idaho physicians worried that Labrador's private interpretation of the law might still have some weight. Planned Parenthood of the Greater Northwest and two doctors—Caitlin Gustafson and Darin L. Weyhrich—filed a lawsuit, arguing that Labrador's interpretation violated the First Amendment and the Fourth Amendment.
Winmill agreed that criminalizing out-of-state referrals would violate the First Amendment. Doctors and clinics would "be forced to choose between facing criminal penalties themselves and offering referrals and information about legal out-of-state medicinal services to their patients," he wrote. "Simply put, their speech will be chilled."
Winmill's ruling, issued Monday, blocks Labrador's interpretation from being enforced. That means Idaho doctors cannot—at least for now—be prosecuted for helping patients obtain out-of-state abortions.
But Idaho's abortion ban—passed in 2020 and triggered into effect by the overturning of Roe v. Wade last summer—is still one of the strictest in the nation. It makes it illegal for doctors to perform an abortion at any point in pregnancy except in cases where a mother's life is threatened or in cases of rape or incest that have been reported to law enforcement.
"Rather than offering a narrow list of exceptions, as other anti-abortion laws do, Idaho's law simply provides an affirmative legal defense for doctors arrested and charged with performing abortions," as Reason's Emma Camp has noted:
If a doctor can prove by a "preponderance of the evidence" that "[he] determined, in his good faith medical judgment and based on the facts known to the physician at the time, that the abortion was necessary to prevent the death of the pregnant woman," or if the physician has a copy of the patient's police report of rape, such doctors cannot be found guilty of performing an illegal abortion. However, if doctors charged with providing abortions fail to meet this standard, they can face up to five years in prison.
Idaho also bans "abortion trafficking," defined as helping someone under age 18 get an abortion. The law is meant "to prevent unemancipated minor girls from being taken across state lines for an abortion without the knowledge or consent of her parent or guardian," said Idaho Gov. Brad Little. Violations of the law are punishable by two to five years in prison.
The abortion trafficking law also faces a legal challenge, notes the Associated Press. "Attorneys general from 20 states filed a brief Tuesday urging the court to block it."
"The Constitution protects the individual right to travel between states, and Idaho's radical Legislature cannot abolish that right," said Washington Attorney General Bob Ferguson in a statement.
FREE MINDS
More takes on the new Trump indictment. Ken "Popehat" White takes issue with people describing the indictment as "unprecedented":
Nobody's ever been charged with this set of facts because nobody's ever attempted to overthrow the government by fraud like this before. In that sense, this is "unprecedented." But in other senses, that term is misleading. Each of these federal criminal laws — which are broad and flexible by design — has been used to charge a wide variety of fraud and misconduct.
This includes the conduct of which Trump is accused, White argues:
That doesn't mean that it will be easy for the Special Counsel to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Donald Trump had the requisite mental state to violate the law. It means that his actions plausibly violate the law….
Here's the point: there are legal and factual defenses to this indictment, but anyone telling you that it obviously, inarguably violates the law is lying to you.
White also takes issue with National Review editors' argument—which I included in Roundup yesterday—that "the Supreme Court reaffirmed just a few weeks ago, fraud in federal criminal law is a scheme to swindle victims out of money or tangible property. Mendacious rhetoric in seeking to retain political office is damnable — and, again, impeachable — but it's not criminal fraud, although that is what Smith has charged." Writes White:
The Special Counsel charged Trump with defrauding the United States under Section 371. The Supreme Court and lower courts have repeatedly and specifically ruled that Section 371 doesn't require a scheme to take money or property. National Review is referring to the latest in a line of cases interpreting a completely different statute, the wire fraud statute, that includes a "money or property" requirement in its text…
Justice Thomas, in the 2023 case to which National Review alludes, expressly relies on that language to find that the wire fraud statute requires a scheme to take money or (as traditionally defined) property. He does not even mention Section 371, which does not include the "money or property" language and which has a long history of Supreme Court and lower court cases holding that the object of the fraud need not be money or property, but can be interfering with government function.
National Review's Noah Rothman offers "a dissent" from the editors' argument, also challenging his colleagues on points of law and interpretation. "These charges deserve the hearing they are about to receive," Rothman concludes.
Reason's Jacob Sullum also weighs in, asking if Trump really believed, despite so much evidence to the contrary, that the 2020 election had been stolen from him. "After covering Trump's election claims since November 2020, I'm still not sure. Fair-minded jurors are apt to have similar doubts," Sullum writes.
Lastly, the Cato Institute's Walter Olson offers a nuanced look at strengths and weaknesses of the indictment, noting that it "is likely to raise legal issues that are relatively unfamiliar, uncertain, or both." Olson continues:
Few legal commentators are deeply familiar with all four of the statutory bases on which the grand jury filed charges, and intuitions can be deceptive: in applying the law against defrauding the United States, for example, courts have not always construed the elements of fraud in the same way they do in some other fraud areas, and the interpretations have also changed. It is not entirely settled how the elements of obstructing an official proceeding will ultimately shake out in January 6 cases, and so forth.
In other words, caution is called for at this stage in predicting the extent to which judges will trim back the scope of this prosecution, if they do. It is widely agreed that the First Amendment protects some telling of lies for political benefit, and also that it protects (as, in effect, lobbying) some efforts to persuade government officials to carry out acts that are wicked and unconstitutional. It is equally certain that the First Amendment does not protect every act of speech or persuasion that someone might retroactively try to jam into these categories. If you shut down a pending courtroom trial by phoning in a false report of a dangerous gas leak, you cannot get off by arguing that you were just exercising your speech and lobbying rights, nor are you likely to get off by arguing that you knew there was a gas stove in the court cafeteria and were basing your 911 call on a sincere belief that there was an elevated risk of asthma from stray methane.
In short, it matters in law and under the First Amendment whether speech and lobbying intended to obstruct proceedings or nullify rights was taken in good faith or otherwise, and deceitfully or otherwise. That is probably one reason why the indictment cites extensive cause to believe that Trump knew his claims of election fraud to be false, rather than wandering around in some sort of fugue state in which he might reasonably believe them to be true.
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Biden's new student loan repayment plan will turn many federal student loans "into glorified grants," suggests Reason's Emma Camp:
The SAVE plan is a revamped income-driven repayment (IDR) plan, introduced last year along with President Joe Biden's original student loan forgiveness scheme—though that proposal was struck down at the Supreme Court in June. While the SAVE plan received less attention than Biden's now-defeated student-loan forgiveness proposal, it stands to do nearly as much long-term damage to taxpayers—and prospective student loan borrowers themselves.
Under the REPAYE plan, the most popular IDR plan currently in use, borrowers' monthly payments are typically fixed at 10 percent of their discretionary income. Discretionary income is calculated as earnings above 150 percent of the federal poverty level. Under this plan, borrowers will have their remaining balance forgiven after 20 years of on-time payments, or 25 years for graduate borrowers. But the SAVE plan radically reduces monthly payments—and the time required before forgiveness. Under the plan, borrowers only pay 5 percent of discretionary income, which is now defined as earnings above 225 percent of the poverty rate. Borrowers only have to make 10 years of payments before forgiveness, if the balance is less than $12,000. Further, interest will not accrue on borrowers' loan balances when their monthly payments are not enough to cover interest.
More here.
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Idaho can't start prosecuting doctors for referring women to out-of-state clinics...
Sending medical dollars to other states???
Across state lines?
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Huh? Can you say that again as a compete sentence/thought?
It was dumbass.
Fuck off, Sealion.
Here's one: Mike Laursen is an obtuse, passive-aggressive bitch who deserves to get his teeth knocked out while his kids watch.
His kids have suffered enough by being his kids.
Only if the state is paying for the abortion.
This is a difficult question. As a Christian i abhor abortions, as a libertarian, it does not affect my rights, it is someone else's right, so should not be my concern. That leaves me very undecided.
More takes on the new Trump indictment.
Inject these right into my veins, I guess.
Obligatory.
Jack Smith falsely told the courts they handed over all required documents to the defense when they had not. Isnt that one of the crimes he charged Trump for?
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/jack-smiths-team-admits-incorrect-claim-about-evidence-trump-classified
Special counsel Jack Smith's team admitted to incorrectly claiming to have turned over evidence as required by law in the classified documents case against former President Donald Trump.
Team? Team?! More than one??
That's a CONSPIRACY!!!!!
I mean... Reason's posting an article that celebrates the protection of free speech, including conspiracy, for the purpose of getting around laws that ban child sacrifices while at the same time trying to justify prosecution of political enemies for their speech when it questions the integrity of our government
And the calling in a potential gas leak hypothetical is the old wine of "cannot yell fire in a crowded theater" put in a somewhat new bottle to justify all sorts of limitations on free speech.
Nobody's ever been charged with this set of facts because nobody's ever attempted to overthrow the government by fraud like this before.
DONNIE DREAMY LIBERTARIAN!
Remember that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
You were banned for posting links to child pornography.
HEY PLUGGO!
What did "Donnie" do to try and overthrow the government?
Jeff and JFree celebrating story if woman denied cancer treatments at hospital because she claimed about the transgender flag.
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/08/02/shocking-woman-denied-cancer-treatment-in-portland-after-criticizing-transgenderism-n786679
Jeff must be diamond hard.
Does that mean he gets to be the Top?
Only if he has a sling and hoist to position himself.
Any time this happens I think if the patient killed every single worker in that "hospital" it would be justified
At least the ones wearing rainbow pins.
woman denied cancer treatments at hospital because she claimed about the transgender flag...and also being an asshole wannabe victim about it.
https://thepostmillennial.com/oregon-health-clinic-denies-medical-care-to-breast-cancer-patient-after-she-objects-to-trans-pride-flag
Oh. We deny medical care for being an asshole now?
There goes every Antifa, BLM, gender-queer, eco-warrior, and DEI activist.
Good.
Just trying to present the whole picture because I think she is a poor martyr to make your case. It's not as simple as she was denied because of her views. She made an issue out walking past a flag and was a jerk to staff even in her own version of the story.
Oh. We deny medical care for being an asshole now?
I'm OK with that.
Fuck off.
Exactly
Thanks for the link, Quicktown Brix!
In your link I ALSO see that Asshole Lady wanted an attorney, to HELP her SUE for Her Precious Baby Feelings being hurt by the presence of a FLAG at the medical facility! So now here on these comments, we see "conservatives" in favor of private businesses being FORCED to serve customers who LUST after telling them what to do (and NOT do) with THEIR facilities, and SUING those who do NOT obey right-wing dictates from right-wing dictators and right-wing MARXISTS who lust after controlling YOUR property!
“Mean tweets” should be ignored, but nice flags are an actionable offense.
The lack of self-awareness in Laursen is strong today. You do realize a Twitter has a "mute" option as you exercise that one here every day?
Laursen, do you think they have to bake that cake?
DerangedTrollLogic, did you realize that there is NO "mute function" on lawyers? If Government Almighty provides the courtrooms and judges (and armed goons to back up their findings) after YOU are SUED for hurting MY Precious Baby Feelings by YOU putting up YOUR flag(s) on YOUR property... You fucking fascist-Marxist you... And the court-blessed goons come after YOU... Are you gonna sympathize with MEEE??! Or is it all about "My Tribe, right or wrong"?
Sqrlsy, do the letters F and O mean anything to you?
DerangedTrollLogic is Out of Facts and so must Obey Fascist thoughts about saying Foolish things about Others who are are smarter and wiser than DerangedTrollLogic is!
Sqrlsy, do the letters F and O mean anything to you?
Unless they have to do with scat, he's not interested.
We all need to expect that when we go get cancer treatment at the hospital, we have to accept left wing political messaging we disagree with, or we don’t get the treatment.
So yeah, fuck off.
You don't need to accept anything. You just need to not be an asshole...Oh I see the problem you're having.
So if hospital employees are wearing MAGA hats, and a cancer patient reacts poorly to that, they should be denied treatment?
They should shut the fuck up about their Hurt Precious Baby Feelings, or find a different hospital. That's not asking for much.
Does anyone really believe that shitsy would be ok if staff at a public university started wearing MAGA hats and discharged anyone that complained about it?
Let’s see how far he’ll go with this lie.
I would (honest to the Government Almighty that y'all SOOO much Love, Adore, and Worshit, so long ass Government Almighty favors YOUR side) be TOTALLY OK if a public school, hospital, or ANY private business refused to serve ANYONE who will NOT agree to sign a release, that says they will NOT sue over their Precious Baby Feelings being hurt over signs, flags, hats, hate-hats, etc.! So long as there are no "true threats of violence", y'all whiners and crybabies have NOTHING to sue about! PS, complain is fine, but if it gets in the way of business getting done... Take your business elsewhere! It is MY business establishment, in a non-Marxist nation!
R Mac Who Talks and Snorts Smack, right HERE we have PRIME evidence of YOUR projection! I am NOT a tribalist, so I think your stupid MAGA hate-hat should be EVERY STINKIN' BIT ASS MUCH protected as any gay-pride flag!!! And YOU can NOT believe my TRUTH that I speak, because you can not IMAGINE that I am not a Tribalistic ("free speech for me but not for thee") idiot like YOU!
She’s not suing over her feelings. She’s suing because she was denied medical care retard.
"She’s not suing over her feelings."
She WANTS to sue over Her Precious Hurt Baby Feelings... And the hospital smelt it coming from a mile away! Do YOU want to provide services to a customer who spends 3/4th of your time bitching whining and moaning about shit irrelevant to the services that you're providing? Assuming that you can provide ANYTHING of a sort of useful service (other that conservaturd babble) to a willing customer, besides fanatical TrumpenTrolls? And then get SUED for it? In a free market, providers are allowed to say "no thanks!" to such assholes!
So if hospital employees are wearing MAGA hats, and a cancer patient reacts poorly to that, they should be denied treatment?
Yes, if they become an asshole to the staff, absolutely.
EMTALA requires every hospital receiving medicaid or federal funding to provide care for everyone. There is no carve put for those being assholes.
Choke on the next dick you suck
One of the ways cultural conversions have happened in authoritarian countries is implementing a set of conditioned behaviors acceptable even around controversial topics. Think Chinas credit score, ESG, etc. I am against those things. People have a right to be an asshole. But they also have a right to access medical care.
Apparently the deplorables need to just start their own healthcare system.
Triggered snowflakes requesting safe spaces must be accompanied?
Fix: Accommodated, not accompanied.
Getting medical treatment at PUBLIC universities requires you must shut up about left wing propaganda being present?
I wouldn't call her a martyr but someone denied medical care for being disagreeable. I also don't want to deny medical care (does not include gender transitions) to criminals either.
Thanks, Jesse. I appreciate the courtesy and reasoned argument of your response. The situation is complicated by it (probably) being publicly funded. Before Roe was overturned, was it OK for religious based hospitals to not perform abortions? I think they should not be compelled to. And people are free to find other service providers. If this was a private hospital, the situation would be the same in my opinion. Admittedly, taking tax funded money puts us in a gray area though.
The hospital is part of a public university.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Health_%26_Science_University
Duly noted. I’m open to the argument that taking public money requires you to provide service to everyone, including assholes. But, that wasn’t my initial point. My initial point was that she likely wasn’t denied service for her beliefs, but for being an intollerable Karen.
She complained about the tranny flag flying behind the reception desk. Far left political flags should not be hanging behind the reception desk at the hospital of a public university.
Again, would it be appropriate for a MAGA flag to be flying behind the reception desk of the hospital at a public university?
I agree that niether a pride nor a MAGA flag should be in a public lobby. I disagree that she was denied service for merely complaining about the flag.
In my hometown, I patronize many small businesses with Trump signs. It doesn't bother me in the least. In the city where I work, I deal with many left wing signs. I do my business and get on with my day without focusing on how I was victimized by seeing rainbow colors.
“I agree that niether a pride nor a MAGA flag should be in a public lobby.”
You’ve spent a lot of time arguing for the pride flag.
True. But there's never a lefty argument left unchallenged on this board and I find little value in adding a "me too" comment.
The failure in your proposed question is that the Hospital in question provides cancer treatment. They are denying it to one person based on their attitude. Abortion is an entire medical procedure. Not all hospitals provide all procedures. Equating the two is wading into dishonesty. It would be more akin to catholic hospitals not providing heart surgeries to atheists. Which does not happen. Your attempt at a comparative item here is incorrect.
It would be more akin to catholic hospitals not providing heart surgeries to atheists.
Not a perfect analogy, but I think they should be free to if they so chose.
A more accurate example of why this is dangerous is China denying bank accounts to people they do not consider to have social credit scores or British banks denying accounts to conservatives.
Operation Chokepoint is a thing and it must not be allowed to set a foot hold into society.
It is my contention that we was not booted for her beliefs, but for her negative interactions with the staff.
We deny medical care for being an asshole now?
I’m OK with that.
Careful, that might come back to bite you. Asshole.
I don’t think he’s really thinking about the implications of this position.
Go to the DMV and roll your eyes at an employee? No driver’s license for you!
With the DMV, there are no alternative service providers.
There’s other offices you can go to. Driving to the next DMV would be a lot easier than finding a new cancer treatment provider.
Edit: have you ever been through cancer treatments, or had someone close to you do so? It’s not a simple process to change hospitals in the middle of it.
If you can drive to another DMV, you haven't been denied a driver's license.
No I haven't been in or near cancer treatment so you are correct that I am naive about that.
Ok...good one...LOL
"OF COURSE WE WON'T LET STAFF TREAT HER! SHE CRITICISED OUR PECADILLOS!"
You may be retarded monsters, but you're still monsters.
Not accepting the conclusion from the title but looking at the details of the story makes me a monster? Or have you just made many assumptions?
You think state funded hospitals should have left wing political messaging, and if anyone complains they should be denied treatment.
Maybe rethink your position.
Your understanding of my position it wrong on both of those points.
You wish every individual communicated in line with your values seems to be your point. That just makes you look like a silly goose though.
Or you could be sillier and say that people shouldn't say what they think, but what will manipulate others around them into giving them what they want.
If your assumption is that I think everyone should accept trans ideology, you're wrong. I reject it myself.
If your assumption is I think someone should choose another service provider, rather than making a fuss over seeing a flag, insulting the staff and getting lawyers involved, then yeah, I think everyone should be in line with my values.
You should go investigate the harm done to cancer patients when ACA passed. It is not easy for someone in active treatment to just move and change doctors.
Given the imperfections in our system, if I had cancer and was worried about my treatments, I sure wouldn't give a fuck about a rainbow flag in the lobby and I'd sure think twice about siccing a lawyer on my cancer treatment provider over it. Priorities!
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Oh. We deny medical care for being an asshole now?
I’m OK with that.
I think my understanding of your position is accurate. Again, this is a PUBLIC university.
I often struggle to get my point across.
If it happens often, then maybe the problem isn't everyone else.
Quicktown Brix struggles to get Quicktown Brix's points across to people who WILLFULLY AND STUBBORNLY CLING TO THEIR IGNORANCE AND EVILS!!! Ass it has been for hundreds of thousands of years, and, sad to say, will continue indefinitely and in-daffy-dently into the future...
Admittedly. That is what I meant.
Maybe THIS is why? Women with cancer MIGHT be, or get, preggers, after all!
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-strict-abortion-laws-are-delaying-cancer-treatment
How Strict Abortion Laws are Delaying Cancer Treatment
Up to 1 in 1,000 pregnant women receive a cancer diagnosis each year in the United States, reports the ACS.
Patients in states with anti-abortion laws may face challenges accessing radiation therapy, chemotherapy, or other treatments that can negatively affect fetal development and potentially cause miscarriage.
Multiple organizations including the American Cancer Society have issued statements urging lawmakers to protect cancer care access for pregnant patients.
So Healthcare is not a right for those who are iconoclasts against LGBtQ+ symbols.
Well, she COULD have just worn a blindfold so as to NOT see the flag while she accessed her medical care! AND she could ALSO offer to sign a binding agreement to NOT sue the hospital over irrelevant stuff concerning what the hospital does with and on hospital property, which has NOTHING to do with HER medical care! Christ on a Cracker, when are ye whining crybabies gonna STOP crying for your "safe spaces"?
So you are all good with the establishment of the new religion and creation of its Inquisition and dhimmi caste?
So if my (CONSERVATIVE, to be sure!) religion hates human hair and thinks that everyone should shave all of it off, you'd be OK with me DEMANDING that all my medical providers either shave, or hide all of their hair, while attending to me? And maybe all of their other customers within eyesight, as well? And I should be able to SUE if my demands aren't met? Just HOW much whiner-crybaby-Karen power piggishness will You and Your Tribe bless, these days?
You’re literally getting everything here backwards dumbass.
Reminds me of the time you thought a direct quote of section 230 was some right wing extremist’s opinion of it.
"You’re literally getting everything here backwards dumbass."
OK then Marxism in the Name of Those Whose Precious Baby Feelings were DEEPLY Hurt, first, and freedom to LIE on court, for TrumpenTurd Lawyers, second, and freedom for property owners, what, ranked around about 59th on the concern charts? OK, gotcha!
This doesn’t have anything to do with Trump you retarded.
This doesn’t have anything to do with Section 230 you retarded and you demented and you perverted and you defected and you neglected and you purple and you non-noun adjective... STOP being SUCH a sorely abused, abject adjective, willya?!?!?
Seems like quite the organization:
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1516627583282069506
My big fear would be waking up in a hospital with a Nazi, Fascist, or Communist flag, or the flag of any nation with Socialized Medicine. That goes way beyond hurt feelz!
Each of these federal criminal laws — which are broad and flexible by design — has been used to charge a wide variety of fraud and misconduct.
This isn't about the general unconstitutionality of many federal laws, we're focused on saving democracy here.
Lawyers on the left and right have now detailed how dangerous and wrong the latest charges against Trump are. Shrike who loves the WSJ has surely changed his mind as their editorial board comes out strongly against it.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-indictment-2020-election-jack-smith-january-6-fraud-e0068c4f?mod=opinion_lead_pos1
The WSJ is just behind the NYT in news quality. You can't blame the editorial page for catering to the GOP because at one time the GOP addressed corporate concerns while stupid Democrats ignored them.
But Obama proved that there is a lot more to corporate well-being than just cutting taxes. Deficits, USD strength, and trade come to mind. The TPP would have been great for corporate America but idiots like Bernie Sanders, Liz Warren, and Fatass Donnie all demagogued it to death.
You think that because you are a soros loving globalist leftist silly. Imagine at this point in time calling NYT quality. As laughable as your assertion Schiff is the last honest politician.
Remember that turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
"But Obama proved that there is a lot more to corporate well-being than just cutting taxes."
Oh fuck, did he ever. Corporatism, corporate welfare, corporatocracy, regulatory capture, plutarchy, all sorts.
The WSJ is just behind the NYT in news quality.
That's... pretty bad then.
Just give up the charade and charge the doctors with conspiracy to commit murder. ENB and the rest of the progressive left likes to hide themselves away from inconvenient facts but that is what's going on here with these cultists.
If men could get pregnant they would charge trump for sure.
Just give up the charade and charge the doctors with conspiracy to commit murder.
The Aborto-Freaks won't stop there. Their goal is a police state that regulates all sexual and reproductive activity to insure Gawdliness and Biblical purity.
Good liberal narrative youre pushing for not being a liberal.
I thought a police state that regulates everything, including sex, was the liberal narrative.
Think they just want to fund it and make it legal to not be responsible for your own choices.
I thought a police state that regulates everything, including sex, was the liberal narrative.
Then you're not paying attention.
Cons say the liberal narrative is ABORTION ON DEMAND!
or
ABORTION UP TO THE MOMENT OF DELIVERY!
It is the stupid "Baby Killer" notion.
Sometimes late term abortion is medically necessary.
Which the vast majority of regulation contain an exemption for.
The problem is Planned Parenthood is on record telling women how to get around the regulations through the exemption by claiming depression.
"Sometimes late term abortion is medically necessary."
Which always was, still is, and will remain legal.
Time to stop lying about your objectives, AbortoFreak.
Medically necessary is NOT what those abortion-ban laws are about. They are about ensuring that a priest etc be called into all medical appointments between an obgyn and pregnant patient. That priest is deemed to be the decision maker about 'medical necessity' - with the full force and coercion of the state applied to enforce that.
What the fuck are you babbling about.
Do you have an actual example?
These assholes spew out the most deranged conspiracy shit ever, but somehow think that they’re the balanced ones.
I just read what JFree wrote.
W....T.....F????????
Cite?
Remember that urd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
It's not conservatives demanding "EXPLICIT AFFIRMATION" for every single point of the sexual experience.
turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
To a Leftist: "Don't intentionally kill human individuals without a just cause = You are trying to control every aspect of my sex life! REEE!"
Quit the melodramatics.
Let's not be too hasty here--I see nothing wrong with blue voters in red states being encouraged to abort their demon spawn. In fact, the proper thing to do would be to offer these women free hysterectomies and sell their eggs to the state, so that there's even less risk that they'll decide to raise a kid someday.
The way blue states are going I expect women to be eliminated and replaced by things with an extra pocket.
Replaced as a "bonus hole".
Biden's new student loan repayment plan will turn many federal student loans "into glorified grants..."
We're hoping they grant Biden the glory of a second term.
And ENB is back to abortion and iNsUrEcTiOn!! At least there was one day were both sides lead her to a libertarian take.
Soft libertarian take*
Aka libertine take.
She didn’t say a word about “insurrection”.
Are you saying you don’t think talking about Trump’s January 6th indictment is topical?
So topical it was timed to bury Archers testimony. One of the key witnesses Jack Smith is planning on using, Kerik, doesn't even testify until next week.
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/bernie-keriks-attorney-says-he-has-meeting-scheduled-jack-smith-next-week
Weird he didn't wait for a key witness for his charges.
She quotes "Popehat" to convey her belief Trump was fomenting insurection:
Never change dumbass.
OMG, she quoted someone! How dare she!
Yeah, the simps on the center-right were jerking themselves off to Craphat's stupid take yesterday.
Mashable predicts good things for Threads. "Threads is on course to topple Twitter (or X, if you must)," writes Chris Taylor. "Don't be surprised if Threads becomes the go-to place for all things trending by the end of 2023."
I thought Mastodon already took over after Twitter "imploded" in late 2022?
Buttplug loves mastadon:
https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/24/23806093/mastodon-csam-study-decentralized-network
Threads users have already dropped by 70% as people realized it was just curated advertising.
Never even looked at Threads but in fairness I will note Twitter's advertising recently got far more annoying on my setup.
There were a lot of X posts showing the top threads posts all being posts from corporations. Not even a users friends.
Musk has to try and make money on it somehow. Twitter's been a money-loser for most of its existence, it just got by on VC infusions and stock sales.
More than just that. Zuck decided to just make any Instagram user a Threads user by default. Most Instagram users had no desire to be Threads users.
Yeah. Now I remember. Geniuses like Harvard Law's totally-passes-for-a-woman "Esqueer_" predicted Twitter was days away from total collapse in November 2022.
Isn't it wonderful having an "expert" class full of shameless hacks whose careers don't suffer (and may actually benefit!) when they're hilariously wrong? 🙂
#MaybeTheyJustHateElonMusk
Big Alex Caraballo (who will never be a woman) is the embodiment of trannyism as a sexual fetish. The dude has nuclear levels of AGP and took the joke "If I was a woman I'd play with my tits all day" way too seriously.
Progressives continue to project their own racism as group launches a fund to buy AR-15 for all black men to scare conservative gun supporters. Every time they do this right gun advocates applaud them.
https://www.thesmatteringnews.com/p/breaking-progressives-launch-campaign
I strongly support equal gun rights regardless of race. I do think that some (but not all) of the 2A advocacy organizations could be a bit more vocal in this regard.
Which ones aren't vocal? They all support gun ownership for all races. The only groups that don't are groups like the one in the article.
You DO know the article is satire, don’t you? This guy’s sub stack is basically doing The Babylon Bee type stuff. It’s funny, but it’s not real.
I did not know that. But if so good parody as I can post statements from democrats asserting just that.
Liberals are confounding all attempts at parody.
I don't know the details of Minadin's motivations. I do know there are still "Civil Libertarians" for whom "All Lives Matter" was and is a racist slant. Who still criticize the NRA for "not speaking out about the Philando Castille shooting... still.
I assume they are unaware of how incredibly illegal their plan is as well.
Not permitted to buy firearms for other people.
You'd think people who demand gun control would know what the laws we have are in the first place.
But gun rights advocates (including me, who owns zero guns) would welcome more responsible gun owners to the party.
“You’d think people who demand gun control would know what the laws we have are in the first place.”
No I wouldn’t.
You do realize that article is satire, right?
It would be parody and not satire as dem groups have stated just that assertion of the parody. But I was not aware.
Parody but well done.
Ha ha ha hardy har har. JesseAz fucked up.
Which I admitted to not knowing. When will you do so Mikey?
I can post actual statements of democrats making similar claims. Why it was good parody.
I mean you're still defending turducken as GMO and lab grown.
Mike thought it meant Good Meat Only.
Okay Mr. Turducken McHO2.
Laursen, ever hear of Poe's Law?
Definitely got me this time.
Anything on Hunter's business partner to mention, ENB? No?
Are they traveling across state lines for abortions?
His Tucker interview was more in depth than the hearings.
You mean that convicted felon?
ENB has ignored OJ too.
You leave ENB alone. She is great. Remember, female libertarians are rare so they get special treatment.
Still amazingly sexist lol. Like most dem men.
It's nice to see you've forgiven ENB for driving a dagger into your heart with "When asked whether Biden or Trump has done 'a better job handling the economy,' 54 percent said Trump and just 36 percent said Biden."
#HowCouldSheIgnoreRigCount
Forgive her? I applaud her for linking to a legit poll.
Perception is not reality, you know. Every wingnut in America keeps saying that this is the worst economy ever.
And the dumbasses that believe them quickly forgot 2008 when 750,000 lost jobs a month, $147/bbl oil, three million foreclosures and bank bailouts all over the country.
Now = 13 million new jobs, $80/bbl oil, almost no foreclosures and no bank bailouts needed.
turd, the TDS-addled shit pile, lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Dude, you know that what people don’t do or say is so much more important than anything they actually do or say, because that way ML and his fellow retards can make up the reasons for the former while ignoring the latter.
“They deliberately ignored such and such, and based upon absolutely nothing that means they think this and believe that that I just made up! Anyone who disagrees is a liar!”
Fucking retards.
Based upon the latest Trump charges, it makes me wonder if they are liars perpetrating fraud, or so fucking delusional that they believe their own nonsense.
Still doesn’t know what selection bias is.
Please give us your libertarian or legal analysis of the charges.
Have you noticed how Sarcasmic tries extra-hard to copy me with these posts?
He's like a retarded monkey or parrot.
I finally admit youre on top of the list. I'll try to do better.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
And you should know turds you piece of walking excrement. Goodbye.
A judge has ruled that the trial will still start next week.
Unconnected widgets come and go, but that conveyor belt never stops.
Why don't they stop fucking around with pretenses and just shoot him?
The New Charges Against Trump 'May' Carry the Death Penalty
561 years and possible death penalty. Kids gloves according to Brandy.
The law for deprivation of rights was literally created to go after the KKK. Democrats using it to go after their enemies is ironic.
I kinda hope they do.
Something has to be worth reaction one of these days, yet they keep crossing lines without it
And so it begins.
We Need a Limited Military Draft
Everyone with a little Ukrainian flag next to their name should go first.
Wanna bet that the Venn diagram of people who posted Ukrainian flags and people who would dodge the draft is a circle?
I don:t think volunteering should be an issue. A columnist in today's paper claims a "supermajority" supports backing Ukraine. Maybe that changes when one's number (or one's kid's) comes up in the draft?
With a son in the reserves, NO is all I can say.
Imagine the look on winemom’s face when Chloe and Chandler get their notices
National Pulse has recieved the interview with Capitol officer that got Tucker fired.
https://thenationalpulse.com/2023/08/02/exclusive-capitol-police-chief-called-jan-6-events-a-cover-up-in-tucker-carlson-interview-hidden-by-fox-news/
“Everything appears to be a cover up,” says the decorated police chief, explaining that most things to do with his department were political, specifically because he reported to politicians including then Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. “Like I said, I’m not a conspiracy theorist,” Sund explains, “…but when you look at the information and intelligence they had, the military had, it’s all watered down. I’m not getting intelligence, I’m denied any support from National Guard in advance. I’m denied National Guard while we’re under attack, for 71 minutes…”
The woman who once said "American women should be lining up with their presidential kneepads on to show their gratitude" toward womanizer Bill Clinton is deeply concerned about RFK, Jr.'s womanizing.
Which wave feminists are these? I can't keep up.
Blue wave?
Crimson Tide?
🙂
😉
Deacon Blues.
Only if menses is in a vacuum.
Retard wave.
This is why Democrats are clueless. No woman ever went looking for her kneepads for Old Joe. They need to dump him and KamKam. All Dems need is a candidate women want to blow.
Gavin Newsome would trounce any Republican.
Right, Sandy?
Well bookmarking the one true Newsome supporter.
Only Dems confuse their politicians for sex symbols.
No, it is independent women you want. You want them to swipe right on your candidate. Yes, women are that shallow.
Progs and Cons will vote party line every time.
Racist and sexist.
Shocker.
turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
Shut up, Sevo. You're fucking boring.
Was anything Sevo said false? You lie, and you're a kiddie diddler. You're also pretty damned stupid.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
All Dems need is a candidate women want to blow
SPB isn’t exactly wrong about women Democrats.
However, that wasn’t the demographic Boy Gavin needed to appeal to when he became mayor of San Francisco.
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1687082193363869697?t=PXNn-KsVRsCprRwrahxNlA&s=19
Milk, exercise, and the OK sign are all secretly racist but a song about killing white people is just misunderstood
[Screenshots of msm headlines]
Never give up your guns.
Democrats are suddenly very concerned about a Kennedy tomcatting around while he’s married. If it's one thing the Kennedys are famous for, it's their unwavering fidelity to their wives.
As the Biden administration "prepared to launch speedy screenings at Border Patrol holding facilities this spring, authorities pledged access to counsel would be a key difference from a Trump-era version of the policy...."
When one thinks of speedy, attorney involvement always comes to mind.
Another great headline in the Bee: Trudeau's Divorce Leaves Nation In Shock That He Was Married To A Woman
Meanwhile, millions of Canadian women (and gay guys everywhere) are crashing Ottawa servers with sexts and marriage proposals.
Mass formation psychosis
New Study Uncovers Dramatic Shifts in Sexual Identity
The study’s key findings show:
Sexual identity mobility is higher among young people aged 16–24 (7.9%) and older adults aged 65 and over (7.4%), compared with those aged 25–64 (5.0–6.2%).
Sexual identity mobility is 10.3% less likely among men (5.7%) than women (6.3%).
Sexual identity mobility is three times more likely among non-white ethnic minority individuals (15.5%) than among white people (5.0%).
Sexual identity mobility is more likely among the less educated.
Sexual identity mobility is more prevalent among those who self-identified as bisexual, had other sexual identities, and preferred not to disclose their identity, compared with those who self-identified as heterosexual, gay or lesbian.
Hey, if you wanted to cull the human herd, what better way than to greatly reduce reproduction. Gender change propaganda and universal abortions might do the trick.
Sanger just didn’t go far enough for today’s left.
If sexual identity is mobile then it isnt genetic. Yet the activists will continue to lie about it being genetic to force insurance to pay for it.
Yes. What happened to "Born this way"?
My 1982 high school biology teacher stated that there could be no genetic selection for homos as they did not reproduce. He was a pretty based guy, lumber jacking during the summer break. I never believed it was genetic but I am just a redneck engineer. I could certainly believe it is a mental defect though.
Soooo...Do you guys practice Genetics, Psychology, Psychiatry, and Mind-Reading in between work with the chainsaw?
🙂
😉
"Threads is on course to topple Twitter (or X, if you must)," writes Chris Taylor.
Move over, Jim Cramer.
This is CNN.
"When I first learned about the indictment, I had a long conversation with a friend of mine, Ryan Reilly, and I told him how proud I felt to be an American at that moment. Much in the way that I did when I learned that our military had killed Osama bin Laden. I just felt incredibly proud."
Cunt News Network?
Cult News Network.
“Attempted to overthrow the government by fraud” - Ken Duncehat White
Just cheering criminalizing thought crimes and wrong think now.
On the bright side, this novel interpretation could criminalize politicians lying while campaigning illegal in general.
That is a joke, as such a precedent would be prone to incredible abuse and selective prosecution.
Each of these federal criminal laws — which are broad and flexible by design — has been used to charge a wide variety of fraud and misconduct.
Wait, aren't "broad and flexible" statues BAD?
Not as bad as Orange Man.
A bipartisan trio of House lawmakers last week introduced legislation that would allow marijuana users past and present to qualify for security clearances and serve as federal employees...
All the legislators know someone who partakes but still can't bring themselves to legalize it. Prohibition is just too lucrative. Easier to open a loophole for themselves.
"(or X, if you must)"
You damn well MUST!!!
If I have to pretend a man is a woman just because he thinks so, you have to admit the truth of a corporate name change.
Damn that Humpty Dumpty.
It's a pretty half-assed name change. The domain is still twitter.com. When you go to the page, it asks if you want to "search Twitter." Up until like yesterday, messages were still called "tweets."
It sure does seem like Elon gave the job of updating the product name to a summer intern.
Man, I remember when Popehat was readable and occasionally interesting.
Almost a decade ago at this point.
TDS strikes again.
And now he is not because he said things against The Donald?
He's not because you know his take before you read it. Never interesting.
It's like Ilya Somin at Volokh discussing any immigration issue. You know what will be said before you read the first word.
Him leaving Twitter in a snit embodies everything that's wrong with the center-right these days.
Assaults on democracy.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/08/02/the-prosecution-of-trump-is-an-assault-on-democracy/
There is a bigger problem with the indictment and the discussion around it, too – namely, the role of politics and double standards. For one thing, Trump is certainly not the first politician to have lied to voters about election interference.
Consider the so-called Russiagate scandal. After losing the presidential election in 2016, Hillary Clinton and her supporters alleged that Russia had interfered in the election to gift the presidency to Trump. House Democrats then commissioned special counsel Robert Mueller to investigate the claims. Yet when he delivered his report in 2019, Mueller concluded that the evidence ‘did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government’. In other words, Clinton and others propagated a false narrative about Trump owing his election win to the Russian state.
The timing of the new Trump indictment is significant, too. Trump is right to find it suspicious that prosecutors have waited for over two years to indict him, and yet now special counsel Jack Smith is pushing for a ‘speedy trial’. This means the trial could end up taking place during the presidential elections.
We should always be worried when the judicial system comes into conflict with the democratic process. We cannot pretend that Trump is just like any other defendant. He is the presumptive Republican nominee for the next presidential election. Putting him on trial is bound to distort the campaign (although, if his current success in the polls is anything to go by, it might also work in his favour).
Why are you posting a libertarian style analysis here?
LOL! Maybe because some of us in the commentariat are actual libertarians (not to be confused with "the one true libertarian").
He took an online poll!!
Actual libertarians have principles other than "Trump good, Biden bad. Grunt. Grunt."
So count yourself out.
What principles are you using to defend cops shooting unarmed people and thought crimes against Trump?
Do "actual libertarians" care about how government power is used or misused, or just about desired outcomes?
It's pretty clear that the self-proclaimed "actual libertarians" (ITL, JA and friends) have decided what outcomes should be, process be damned.
So proclaims the "one true libertarian".
So tell me, Mister Actual Libertarian, how you consider yourself and your buddies to be "actual libertarians" when you all oppose free trade, support draconian immigration restrictions, support trade wars, support industrial policy and protectionism, support people needing permission from the government to work, oppose police reform, and are otherwise at odds with what anyone outside these comments considers to be libertarian views?
Man those are a lot of assertions here. Mostly based from ignorance.
Ignoring abuses of the market by actors is not free trade. Just because you're ignorant doesn't magically change the current state of the market.
1.5M legal immigrants a year is not draconian. Recognizing the costs of illegal immigration and forcing taxpayers to pay 10s of billion a year is draconian. Again your preference is based on ignorance and not principles.
Trade wars subsumed by first response.
Who here besides you with silicon valley has supported government industrial policies? The ones you bane are the biggest criticizes of Bidens industrial policies and regulations. You ignore those policies while criticizing Trump for his deregulation efforts. Kind of funny.
Permission to work? You mean acknowledging government costs of illegal immigration. You again argue from ignorance.
Police reform? You laugh about cops killing an unarmed woman and defend all the political prosecutions from the DoJ while defending institutions such as the increase to the IRS.
Want to try again?
ML, I take back my above concession. You didnt even make his list here.
Prosecuting doctors for referring women to out-of-state clinics where they can get abortions is B.S. law that should never have been passed; contrary to both First Amendment and the (original meaning of the) Commerce Clause.
Now do gun control laws.
Non sequitur?
Absolutely, if I want a parasite like you dead I should be able to get a local referral for a hitman from another state without consequence.
Definite non sequitur.
Pushback and concern.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_9e162e96-3147-11ee-8346-0f3d57461e8d.html
“This is nothing more than the latest corrupt chapter in the continued pathetic attempt by the Biden Crime Family and their weaponized Department of Justice to interfere with the 2024 Presidential Election, in which President Trump is the undisputed frontrunner, and leading by substantial margins,” Trump said.
“Yesterday was yet another dark day in America as Joe Biden continues to weaponize his corrupt Department of Justice against his leading political opponent Donald J. Trump,” U.S. Rep. Elise Stefanik, R-N.Y., said on social media.
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., and House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., released a joint statement responding to the indictment, saying it “illustrates in shocking detail that the violence of that day [Jan. 6, 2021] was the culmination of a months-long criminal plot.”
“But why did they wait two and a half years to bring these fake charges, right in the middle of President Trump's winning campaign for 2024?” Trump said. “Why was it announced the day after the big Crooked Joe Biden scandal broke out from the Halls of Congress? The answer is, election interference!”
“We've become completely accustomed to seeing President Trump indicted for ‘crimes’ while Joe Biden skirts the law every single day,” U.S. Rep. Lauren Boebert, R-Colo., said on social media. “No politically-motivated indictment is going to change my mind.”
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., and House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., released a joint statement responding to the indictment, saying it “illustrates in shocking detail that the violence of that day [Jan. 6, 2021] was the culmination of a months-long criminal plot.”
LOL it does no such thing.
Any time this happens I think if the patient killed every single worker in that "hospital" it would be justified
Speaking of driven to suicide
.....
https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1687101960745553920?t=JA22PWl9mMbbo70nUyI-mw&s=19
I was pleasantly surprised that the farcical "died by suicide" phrasing wasn't used in the links or that post.
As if suicide is some outside influence that kills you and not a deliberate act (outside of accidental death). Deliberately removing agency from suicide is insulting.
*Nick Gillespie Voice* Like, what even are the stakes, man...
That was pretty good.
Okay just so everyone including retard evil Ken white:
The doj already committed fraud in 2016 and 2020 to "get" trump, this includes lying under oath, manufacturing evidence, and cesership.
Fuck off and kill yourself you cancer
Consequences.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/article_3c178eda-30a0-11ee-b0b5-8f428274ecb2.html
Jeffrey Clayton, executive director of the American Bail Coalition, said prosecutors, judges and public defenders haven’t received funding to hold the hearings, so he sees complications.
“How’s that going to happen? Are prosecutors just going to file motions to detain in all eligible cases and let the chips fall where they may or are they going to have to pick and choose?” said Clayton to The Center Square. “Are they going to have the resources to file in all the cases they feel are eligible or not, so yes, I think there’s major implementation questions.”
There are concerns that Illinois’ new system of release and very limited detention without bail will embolden hardened recidivist criminals, as seen in New York state. While New Jersey eliminated monetary bail in 2017, it changed its constitution and spent nearly a billion dollars for prosecutors to perform detention hearings and to create a statewide system of pretrial criminal supervision, including GPS monitoring and house arrest. However, the plan for Illinois is to release criminal defendants, notwithstanding the criminal charges which first led to their arrest.
“So the question now is what is the detention list, and I’ve been able to obtain a copy from the prosecutors and I can tell you that there are going to be some really serious offenders who are not going to be going to jail,” said Clayton.
I love how Popehat is so anti defendant. “Yeah, thia has never happened before but it’s because Trump is guilty.”
He’s the lawyer who would be leading the lynch mob. “Normally I disapprove of this sort of extra-judicial measure without a trial, but this animal did rape those two women!”
As opposed to thinking minds that have already decided Trump is innocent of everything without even knowing what the charges are?
Can you show us an example of a libertarian supporting novel criminal construction to go after a man that relies on government determining the state if someone’s mind as the basis for the charges. Even fucking Sullum saw the issue with that. But not the one true libertarian.
List of what the one true libertarian has supported:
Killing of an unarmed woman
Espionage Act
Going after a man to find a crime
Australian covid camps
Government applied vaccine mandates
Thought crimes
Censorship
I'm sure I missed a few.
Remember, they said OJ was guilty too.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
I know what the charges are, how can you claim I don't know what they are?
The first count should be dismissed because Trump did not commit fraud nor conspire to commit fraud. The alternate electors did not attempt to deceive Congress, they presented themselves as alternates in the possibility that Congress audited the vote and found sufficient fraud to alter the results of the election. Trump's attempts to get Pence to refuse to certify was legally dubious, but it was an untested legal theory and not asking him to do something illegal.
The second and third counts should be dismissed based on the First Amendment because it goes to free speech and freedom of assembly. You have the right to organize a protest and to speak out against the government, and yes, to claim a government is committing election fraud.
The fourth count should be dismissed because Trump believed there was actual fraud, and he wasn't throwing to throw out legal votes, only ones he believed were fraudulent. In his mind, he was investigating cases of believed fraud in order to protect the rights of other voters who would be affected by voter fraud.
A judge should slap this out of court. However, this is going to be adjudicated in the DC Circuit, so the politics of the judge are likely to be in play.
The whole case stinks horribly because it's a current president wielding the power of the criminal justice system against a political rival in advance of an upcoming election. And this is a DOJ and FBI that has a documented history of people fraudulently advancing cases against this same defendant. They've lied and falsified court documents before in order to advance investigations against him and that diminishes my faith that they're going to be honest when dealing with the same defendant going forward.
I’ve got to disagree on count 4. Before the election he urged his supporters to vote in person, knowing that that would result in more mail-in votes for his opponent. That way if he lost he could claim fraud by pointing to jump in votes for his opponent once the mail-in ballots were counted. He knew exactly what he was doing.
For example there are 1000 voters split evenly between the candidates. Half of them plain to vote by mail. At Trump's urging, 100 of his supporters who would have voted by mail decide to vote in person.
250 Biden voters vote in person, while 350 Trump voters vote in person.
250 Biden voters mail in their ballot, while 150 Trump voters mail in their ballots.
In the end it's still even, but Trump claims fraud because of the uneven split in the mail-in ballots that he knew would happen if his supporters did what they were told.
Hey Don't look at me, there's the math you fucking retarded retard.
Ideas!
The first time I tried to explain this Don't look at me said I was stupid because he couldn't do the math. I always find it amusing when stupid people say I'm the stupid one when they lack the mental capacity to understand something.
The problem is your assertion as the basis of your claim is fucking wrong.
Trump himself voted by mail. He told supporters multiple times to vote by mail. But you take his warnings of the possible fraud as him not doing so. Because you believe government to be honest and fraud free.
Your numbers are also bullshit. Your claim that Biden got so many in person votes is laughable. You ignore the election day issues throughout the country caused by the groups discouraging in person votes.
You ignore batches of Biden votes in the mid 90% which is just a laughable statistical anomaly.
Before the election he urged his supporters to vote in person, knowing that that would result in more mail-in votes for his opponent. That way if he lost he could claim fraud by pointing to jump in votes for his opponent once the mail-in ballots were counted.
That's you reading into his motivations. An alternative possibility is that he believed mail-in ballots have more complicated chains of custody and are more ripe for fraud, and he believed bad actors would lose or defraud ballots from Republicans or from Republican areas. The reason he gave that instruction is probably because he was concerned about fraud prior to the election, and he made numerous comments to back this up.
You believe one thing about his intentions that's criminal, but there's another plausible interpretation, with evidence to support it. Benefit of the doubt goes to a criminal defendant.
He knew exactly what he was doing.
That's your own bias. YOU know exactly what YOU think he was doing. But no matter how much you dislike someone, he still has rights.
An alternative possibility is that he believed mail-in ballots have more complicated chains of custody and are more ripe for fraud, and he believed bad actors would lose or defraud ballots from Republicans or from Republican areas.
You’re buying the bullshit. By creating a situation where there would be more mail-in ballots for his opponent, he was setting the stage to claim everything you just said in the case that he lost.
Trump is many things, but stupid is not one of them.
People were calling this before the election even happened. And they were right.
Sarc are you even aware it was democrats warning about election fraud you ridiculous shit weasel?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democratic-senators-warned-of-potential-vote-switching-by-dominion-voting-machines-prior-to-2020-election
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/04/755066523/cyber-experts-warn-of-vulnerabilities-facing-2020-election-machines
and he believed bad actors would lose or defraud ballots from Republicans or from Republican areas.
And Trump wouldn't be wrong in assuming that. It wouldn't be the first time any shenanigans happened with ballots on the way to the county building. In 2006, the Cook County Board Presidency was up for grabs between Tony Peraica (R) and Todd Stroger (D) (filling in for his father, John Stroger, Jr.). Ballot boxes from NW Cook County, a heavily Republican area came into the Loop very late. The boxes for those ballots were damaged, and the seals on them were broken.
That’s you reading into his motivations.
Overarchingly, it's a deliberate miscarriage of justice and arguably part of an underlying anti-democratic and anti-human ethos. That is to say, longstanding jurisprudence and modern, American equality before the law, would recognize that if Trump were guilty of manipulating the election in such a fashion, then anyone/everyone manipulating the election in favor of mail-in voting in the belief that it would cause them to win is directly and equally guilty. Which has been my point from the start. Whether you're rigging elections by employing or opposing mail-in voting, you're still rigging elections. The only way not to be doing so is to have agreed on the rules ahead of time, including the how, when, why of deviating from that and sticking to it. *Any* deviation is rigging.
As to the anti-democracy and anti-human, democracy is pretty straightforward. Woven into the founding fabric of the nation was that the crown couldn't simply whimsically change governance and/or representation specifically in such a fashion (i.e. call votes tomorrow before representatives could be present nor delay votes until forgotten or convenient). As far as anti-human goes, the fundamental argument is that motive is of primacy over action, essentially that since it's OK to murder some people for the right reason(s), there should be no law against murder.
Whether Trump was genuinely concerned with mail-in fraud before the election or not, it was deceitful for he, Giuliani, and others to then play his followers by insinuating there was fraud behind the vote surge that was predicted well in advance.
It was pretty fucking obvious when he urged his supporters to vote in person and not trust mailed ballots. This meant there would be a surge of Biden votes when the mail-ins were counted, and he'd already planted seeds of doubt in preparation to claim fraud if he lost.
Very clever and shrewd.
Does that rise to the level of criminal activity? I don't think so. Shameful yes, criminal no.
"Shameful yet, criminal no."
Agreed.
I told ya so!!!!
The Sad Saga of the Stolen Erections
And lo, it came to pass, that Tim the Enchanter blew upon His Magic Flute, and led me to a secret cave (the Cave of Caerbannog), whereupon mystic runes carved into the very living rock foretold of a day to come.
This sad, sad day has now manifested itself, just as foretold. The Promised One had been delivered to us, and was to fertilize His Queen, Stormy Daniels, in an amazing scene; a glaze of Vaseline. Their offspring were to be called Strumpets… Which is a concatenation of Stormy and Trump. They were to number in the millions… About 332 million; enough for all residents of the USA to be issued one Strumpet per each resident, to sit on his or her right shoulder, and make sure that each resident stayed WAAAY Righteous. Each Strumpet was to progressively exert more and more Righteousness Control over each resident, by covering them in Strumpet Vines.
Sad to say, the Bad Bider-Grunch stole Trumpsmas AND Trump’s Erections! The stolen erections prevented the birth of the 332 million Strumpets, in the world’s WORST mass murder (genocide) so far! Even Saint Babbitt could NOT save the Strumpets!
This is the Sad Tale of the Demise of the USA!
It is amazing how much you rely on ignorance. I have given you a half dozen links of Trump telling crowds to vote by mail. Youre literally pushing a false narrative invented by the left.
A Thinking Mind has always been more of an emoting mind.
If we are trying to be true to past ideals/precedents of the nation, Isn't it innocent until proven guilty a concept we should be following from the constitution and amendments rather than guilty until proven innocent?
Tell that to the IRS!
In the courtroom, yes! And since this is a criminal, not civil, trial, just one juror can stop Trump from being convicted of the charges.
However, Popehat is upfront that he dislikes Trump, and he’s allowed to say so.
I didn’t get that he was specifically anti-defendant as much as he was acknowledging/restating the point that he disagreed with. IMO:
There are writers impartial, technical, and careful enough to accurately capture and portray what Ken White or any other lawyer is saying. ENB is not one of those authors.
No goats were *harmed* in the making of this clusterfuck - A Ken White/George Bernard Shaw mashup:
"Never wrestle with a goatfucker, even performatively. One way or the other you're going to have to put yourself between the goat and the goatfucker and the goatfucker is gonna enjoy it."
Tell us more about your family gatherings.
Casually Mad IS the product of RAM-pant, ram-it-into-yer-pants goat-fucking!!!
Vivek: Trump 2.0? Excerpts of an interview with Barri Weiss.
https://www.thefp.com/p/vivek-ramaswamy-bari-weiss-honestly-interview
VR: "To me, it does not mean bloodshed and violence, but it means a revival of the ideals that set this nation into motion in 1776. I do think we live in a 1776 moment. I think that the American bargain was built on the idea that we, the people, determine how we settle our political differences through free speech and open debate in the public square where every person’s voice and vote counts equally. That is self-governance. And I think that there is the Old World vision now rearing its head in multiple forms that says, no, we the people cannot be trusted. The citizens of a nation cannot be trusted to determine what’s actually good for them—so we, the intelligentsia, must make that determination centrally at large. I stand on the side of the American Revolution, the ideals that birthed this nation."
BW: "But if I’m an Always-Trumper, why am I going to vote for you when I could vote for Trump? Why would I go for New Coke when I could just have Coke?"
VR: "Do you want a two-liter bottle that’s been in the fridge, and doesn’t have the same fizz that it did when you first popped the cork? I’m sticking to your analogy, not mine! But that’s really the question. I’ve got fresh legs. I’m 37. I’m going further than Trump did."
Vivek will be tolerated as long as he doesn't rise beyond Herman Cain levels of support. Once he starts getting close to Trump or Perot levels, watch for the sudden flood of hit pieces.
The irony is that people initially thought New Coke was better-tasting than Coke, because they'd done the blind taste-tests on it. The whole product was inspired by the fact that Pepsi was kicking their ass on those things beforehand, Pepsi just didn't have the same brand loyalty.
I want to hear more of what this Vivek Ramaswamy guy has to say.
Alright, in celebration of Fatass Donnie's 4pm official indictment I am going to mix a celebratory happy hour drink.
Thinking a White Russian is appropriate.
Knock yourself out there, Pluggo and get so drunk you pass out for a few days. It'll improve the comment section while you're gone.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Underlining the fraudulent attempt to use the government to overturn an election with your drink of choice was an excellent application of irony.
Wait, you are Peter Suderman?
"Doctors sue California medical board to halt implicit bias training mandate"
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"A pair of doctors and a group that says it is determined to protect health care from “radical, divisive ideology” sued the Medical Board of California on Tuesday to stop it from enforcing a state law that requires doctors to study the role of implicit bias in treatment.
The lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles targets a 2019 state law that describes implicit bias in health care as unconscious “attitudes or internalized stereotypes” that can lead to disparities in care among ethnic groups and by gender or sexuality even when medical complaints are similar..."
https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/doctors-sue-california-medical-board-halt-18260018.php
The mandate simply assumes universal racism and requires 'study' of that. PLF is the 'group' and they are doing some fine work.
DEI doesn't pay.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/new-disney-board-eliminates-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-programs
"Today, District Administrator Glenton Gilzean announced the abolition of all DEI programs at the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District," the district said in a public statement on Aug. 1.
"The district's DEI committee will be dissolved and any DEI job duties will be eliminated. CFTOD staff will also no longer be permitted to use any staff time to pursue DEI initiatives.
"Our district will no longer participate in any attempt to divide us by race or advance the notion that we are not created equal.
(filling in for Paul Harvey)
https://thefederalist.com/2023/08/02/desantis-appointed-disney-board-axes-illegal-and-unamerican-dei-initiatives/
Facebook takes orders from Big Brother.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-admin-ordered-facebook-change-algos-suppress-conservatives
In one meeting on April 14th, 2021, Flaherty asked Facebook if it was possible to artificially promote outlets such as the New York Times and the Washington Post, instead the Daily Wire and Fox News, particularly commentator Tomi Lahren.
“If you were to change the algorithm so that people were more likely to see NYT, WSJ, any authoritative news source over Daily Wire, Tomi Lahren, polarizing people,” Flaherty asked.
“We have to explain to President, Ron [Klain], people, why there is misinfo on the internet, bigger problem than FB,” said Flaherty, according to the typed notes from Facebook executives.
“What are the things driving hesitancy on your platform? What is it? How big is the problem? When you are intervening, how are you measuring success?” Flaherty repeatedly grilled the Facebook executives in one meeting.
Saving democracy.
Biden will not fall until and unless there is conclusive evidence that he took bribes and didn't pay taxes on the ill-gotten gains. What is needed to launch a team of forensic accountants to "follow the money?" Is it a Special Counsel?
Assuming the "Big Guy" got 10%, where is the money? Did he buy real estate with it? If so, that should be traceable. Is it sitting in an off-shore account?
If so, what is Joe using it for? Why take bribes if it can't be used for personal spending? If the "Big Guy" is not touching the money and is
simply building up an estate for his heir's use, then why not let Hunter get 100% in the beginning and avoid any impeachable offenses?
Of course, even a "smoking gun" isn't going to convince some Bidenistas, and their media toadies, that Joe is a crook.
Many people simply have real trouble letting go. I can't tell you how many times someone who is 75 years old starts discussing estate planning. They were wealthy for 30+ years but they don't want to give up control of their assets
LOL at thinking evidence matters
The smoking gun has been on the public record for several years.
This. This is what Comer’s committee needs to do next.
Someone was pointing at “commingling” of Hunter and Joe’s bank accounts as solid evidence of corruption. It isn’t all that solid a smoking gun until some accountants do the boring forensic work of calculating if the net cash flow went toward Hunter or toward Joe, all “gifts” were reported for tax purposes, etc.
I thought you had me on mute Mike. I’m the one who brings that point up here. Lol.
There is also a long judicial review of coming long if accounts for politicians. Try education over assumption.
Go away, ankle-biting little gnat who doesn’t know a parody news story when he sees one.
Not an illusion or magic trick.
https://johnkassnews.com/the-illusion-of-access-to-joe-biden-for-chumbolones/
In the trick called “The Vanishing Bird Cage,” the audience sees and hears the magician slamming black lacquered boxes flat—the canary disappears—and the magician keeps slamming and searching, but the canary is gone!
Which reminds me of the latest iteration of the Joe Biden story on pro-Joe CNN, which appeared after left-wing media finally got its story straight, following the closed-door Congressional testimony of Devon Archer, who once was presidential son Hunter Biden’s business partner.
“Former business partner says Hunter Biden sold ‘illusion’ of access to Joe Biden, source says”
Well, because, Hunter Biden only sold the “illusion” of selling access to Joe, at least according to Democrat Dan Goldman.
Trump’s most recent indictment was purely political. His crime, believing the 2020 election was “rigged.” Democrats like Hillary Clinton and Stacey Abrams are encouraged to believe in rigged elections when Democrats lose and say so publicly, in speeches, in op-eds of woke newspapers, on MSNBC and to Joe and Mika and lionized as heroes in news columns penned by Bolshevik suck-ups.
Whew! Democrats must sleep better knowing that “business was never discussed,” even though that really doesn’t matter. Business was never discussed? Really? You believe that? Are you all a bunch of chumbolones? Must you not only wear the fright wig and floppy shoes but all the trappings of a clown, too? And wet your pants for cheap laughs?
“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko. “Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.”
The way Biden said “son of a bitch” was fascinating, like the way he angrily challenged an Iowa voter to a pushup contest in his dog-faced-pony-soldier phase. How many tough guys tell you they’re tough? Zero.
If old Joe escapes and keeps the grift going, he’ll snicker at the American people, smirk and consider them fools. Because, as he said himself, “Nobody F’s with a Biden.”
Especially not even a chumbolone.
No kid from Chicago grows up dreaming of being a chumbolone someday. A chumbolone is an idiot, a fool. The word was popularized years ago by a corrupt Chicago cop who served the gangsters in the Chicago Outfit’s Chinatown crew.
But anyone who believes that Biden was merely offering an “illusion” of access clout involving your government is a certified Chumbolone and cannot possibly wear a No Chumbolone hat like me. I wouldn’t allow it. It would not be allowed under The Chicago Way.
Besides, they probably don’t even know how to look at a magician’s stage for evidence of that canary, or if you prefer, pigeon once lived an adventurous life in show-biz. And now that old Joe Biden has put that rope around his own neck, bragging that he and Obama got rid of the prosecutor who was causing Hunter Biden’s benefactors so much grief, there will be more pigeons and canaries making music.
The Democrats know this. You know who doesn’t know it? The Chumbolones. They’re oblivious until the cage slams shut.
No kid from Chicago grows up dreaming of being a chumbolone someday. A chumbolone is an idiot, a fool. The word was popularized years ago by a corrupt Chicago cop who served the gangsters in the Chicago Outfit’s Chinatown crew.
Call me an old, but I still prefer the term "mook".
Ironically --- Archer never said "illusion of access". Rep Goldman is the only one who did.
Nobody's ever been charged with this set of facts because nobody's ever attempted to overthrow the government by fraud like this before.
This is utterly embarrassing.
Just ignore all previous election lawsuits and he has a point.
And the Time article bragging about "a cabal" doing exactly that
Ken goes on to say pretty much exactly this. He goes on to be considerably more wrong (essentially saying because of all the other lawsuits, this one should proceed despite being even more shaky/implausible), but this particular quote is about as valid as ‘Rudy Giuliani admits he was lying’, ‘Trump’s testimony about circumstantial non-crimes proves he knew he stole documents’, and ‘Ted Cruz hates liberal democratic values’.
Again, there is a person or a magazine who could honestly and credibly present this statement of Ken White’s as a mere restatement of the premise he disagrees with, ENB and Reason are not those people or magazine.
She's not a chumbolone.
https://nypost.com/2023/08/03/crystal-clear-that-joe-biden-was-involved/
Just in case it wasn’t clear what Hunter Biden was doing when he put his dad, then-Vice President Joe Biden, on the speakerphone during business meetings, even Hunter’s former business partner Devon Archer calls it an “abuse of soft power.”
According to designated Democratic apologist Rep. Dan Goldman (D-NY), Joe Biden had no idea who was on the speakerphone in Paris or Dubai or Lake Como, or wherever it was that Hunter introduced his father to shady foreigners who were showering him with millions of dollars and lavish gifts like a $50,000 Hublot watch, which Archer says Hunter got from the Ukrainians.
Archer was careful choosing his words to the Oversight Committee on Monday and in a subsequent interview with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson. Facing a one-year prison sentence over a fraud conviction, Archer has been bombarded with death threats since news broke that he was cooperating with congressional investigators. The father of three has tried to tell the truth while trying to survive at the center of a brutal tug-of-war between Congress and the White House.
As he told Carlson, it’s “categorically false” that Joe Biden had no role in his son’s business or knowledge of it: “He was aware of Hunter’s business. He met with Hunter’s business partners.”
He described how Joe was “the brand” of his family “business” and was used to send “signals” of power, access and influence, whether on speakerphone or meeting in person. There were dinners at Café Milano in Washington, DC, with Hunter’s benefactors from Ukraine, Russia and China, breakfasts at the vice presidential residence in DC, handshakes on the sidelines of Beijing meetings. Ultimately, it was this access to VP Biden that sent millions of dollars flowing into Biden family coffers.
He was asked by Carlson about an urgent email sent to him and Hunter on May 12, 2014, from Burisma executive Vadym Pozharskyi demanding to know “how you could use your influence to convey a message, signal, etc., to stop what we consider to be politically motivated actions.” At the time, Burisma was aggressively being investigated by Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.
Archer explained what “signal” means in a corrupt country like Ukraine. “It’s almost like, you know, the shakedown … they’re using a common term to them and sending back here to us and say, ‘I hope we’re protected’ kind of thing …
Ultimately, said Archer, “I do believe that, at the end of the day, Burisma wouldn’t have stayed in business so long if Hunter was not on the board.”
Ain’t that the truth. By Joe Biden’s own admission, he flew to Ukraine a few days after that fateful Dubai speakerphone call, and threatened the Ukrainian government that he would withhold $1 billion in US aid unless Shokin was fired. Three months later, Shokin was gone, and as Archer said, Burisma was off the hook.
Joe admitting he got Shokin fired is the smoking gun, the DNA and the eyewitness testimony. It is a straightforward quid pro quo. The email, money trail and Joe's on camera confession are proof positive.
I'm sure all these "pro-life" people won't give a shit once women start dying en masse due to not having proper healthcare available.
"It was god's will" says the culpable.
dying en masse..
How on earth did humans ever survive before abortions?
Some might call me a “scientist” or “atheist” for saying this but despite dinners’ fervent religious beliefs, clumps of cells with XX (or XY) chromosomes do have mass.
These people think genuine merited criticism of transgenderism = genocide.
They are histrionic children who arent attached to reality, and thus dont have the ability to make reasonable judgements, especially with respect to scale.
Hence you get a literal SCOTUS justice who put in the record that “For high-risk black newborns, having a black physician more than doubles the likelihood that the baby will live, and not die.”
Their world is shaped by propaganda and lies. Its what their brain floats in all day. They arent to be taken seriously, certainly never literally.
"once women start dying en masse"
Ya, that 99.9998% survival rate is a real bitch. Bodies piled up everywhere.
Thanks for illustrating why we your kind shouldn't have a seat at the table, you are clearly incapable of rational thought.
Just like how "pro-choice" people did not give a shit once girls and women started becoming infertile after they had to take a vaccine to keep a job at an employer that had more than fifty employees?
https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1687105092942786562?t=dod6Brw_lq-VALOMpGd5ww&s=19
Basically GOP leadership gave Biden an infrastructure bill that gave Mayor Pete a slush fund for DEI initiatives.
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Why middle-aged Americans aren’t going back to church.
1 Corinthians 13: 11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
🙂
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As I was taught as a teenager forced to sit through born-again Christian sermons, the devil is an expert at quoting scripture. So, get thee behind me, TRE!
By the way, this is how we know Donald Trump, the Lord’s champion, is not the devil: he couldn’t quote a Bible verse to save his life.
LOL! Many Atheists have said the quickest way to become an Atheist is to actually read the "holy" writ of various religions.
Examining the texts for internal contradictions, contradictions with other "holy" texts, contradictions with the larger context of human knowledge outside the texts, reading them for absurdities and moral atrocities, as well as for literary style and occasional profundities...is all a great exercise of the mind.
To anybody who does this, I say get thee before me and teach me more!
Rest assured, Donald Trump wouldn't relate to the above verse at all, since it involves giving up foolish things...and it involves only 1 Corinthian and not 2 Corinthians walking into a bar.
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It's not even reading The Bible with intent to find flaws and contradictions.
People are taught in church to try to be a good person, and that leads sometimes to the very people who take the goal of being good seriously scrutinizing The Bible with intent to better themselves, but the scrutiny makes them see disturbing things.
Decent, thoughtful human beings who happen to be religiously affiliated are better than their professed creeds.
Yes, it is often so.
The quickest way to become an Atheist is to not actually read them, but get the Cliffsnotes version from Youtube channels and r/atheism.
Sooooo...Is Strawman Voodoo Doll-Making part of Theology and Apologetics?
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It's starting to make sense.
Behind every liberal is just a 'fuck you dad' kind of kid who didnt like going to church
Weird, this is tone-specific to the schtick that Public Entelectual has adopted. Almost like you're really the same person... right down to the SuedohEntelectual/AuntEyeCogitation handle.
Which would be great if you guys, combined, were even half as intellectual or cogitative as even an ardent flat earther.
Fret not, Dr. Clayton Forrester. Your Crow T. Robot foil has no Robot clones or cybernetic extensions running around loose in this Satellite of Love called the Reason Comments.
As for Flat Earthers, those are religion's version of Jim Henson's Muppet Brain Babies, not sired by Secular, rational science.
I've always believed Flat Earthers must be trolls.
Fret not
I don’t recall Crow T. Robot projecting his worry about "*F*lat *E*arthers" onto Dr. Forrester for comedic or other effect. Your version of MST3K sounds a lot more sad rather than clever or funny.
Crow didn't worry about anything. He just smart-assed back at stupid, absurd, annoying things and people and had laughs, just as I do.
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HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually, that pretty much sums up my reaction to this morning's entire Roundup.
HAHAHAHAHA sums up my reaction to JesseAz — you know the guy who always touts how he is so much better informed about what is REALLY going on because he goes to true sources of truth, never MSM — linking to a story he didn’t realize is parody.
Said the “turducken is GMO “ guy.
What's that about HO2, again?
I am better informed than you. How do you know o talk about reading primary sources if you muted me?
Right in line behind mastadon. I wonder if these same folks were flocking to myspace back in the day too
the desperate cope is amazing to watch
"... these federal criminal laws ... are broad and flexible by design ..."
And they, like all of the other four thousand plus broad and flexible federal laws, are unconstitutionally broad and vague and should be struck down! There should be a very few actual federal crimes which should be very specific about the proscribed ACTIONS and clearly define criminal INTENT. If a prosecutor has a lot of "flexibility" in deciding whether to file charges or not, it shouldn't be a law. Otherwise the door is wide open for politically-based "weaponization" of the law and endless feuding with tit-for-tat partisan attacks.
Especially as these laws encroach on freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech is broad and flexible by design; exceptions are explicit and narrow.
Nothing quite like reading a defense of "broad and flexible by design" federal laws on an ostensibly libertarian site.
Popehat was being quoted.
Popehat, David French, Bill Kristol.
Reason became a neocon fanzine so slowly I barely noticed.
I realize that, but it was quoted without any rebuttal or commentary offered by ENB. If she disagreed with his take I would have hoped she would have said something. In the past when she's included pull quotes from other people she disagrees with she's done that, which would seem to imply she agrees with Popehat's analysis. Also, Ken White used to be considered a "libertarian" as well, so to see a supposed libertarian make an argument in favor of "broad and fliexible" laws is still disappointing (although not surprising anymore).
Got it. Not allowed to simply quote someone without interjecting one’s own opinions. If yourefrain from stating your own opinions, the commentariat will fill them in for you.
Literally what you're doing in your post, hypocrite. Self-awareness isn't your superpower.
The HUNTER BIDEN FAKE BRIBERY SCANDAL! has now devolved into the OLD JOE DISCUSSED CHINA BIDNESS WITH HUNTER!
They want to gin up a scandal so badly.
You really are desperate to #DefendBidenAtAllCosts.
"OLD JOE DISCUSSED CHINA BIDNESS WITH HUNTER!"
Devolved? That's mind-bogglingly unethical. Do you even understand what you're typing?
Your boss at the fifty-cent factory is going to kick your ass over that one.
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1687077803420680192?t=GPwa4y852MexrBysozHfqQ&s=19
The best part is that MSNBC chose to clip this because they thought it was a good look
"@MSNBC
“We’re looking at American history”
“Can you imagine our reading that James Madison or Thomas Jefferson tried to overthrow the government so they could stay in power?”
“This is narcissism with steroids”
-@TheRevAl on @Morning_Joe
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I thought the "This is not a man who's facing a situation because he believed in a political position or a political policy or cause. I've seen people go down the wrong side for a cause." was hilarious.
It's like he's never heard of C.S. Lewis or Christopher Nolan... or he has and presumes no one else has.
>>Idaho can't start prosecuting doctors for referring women to out-of-state clinics where they can get abortions
here yesterday state agents didn't have 1A rights. which is it?
What story from yesterday are you referring to?
Are doctors “state agents”?
who do yours report to?
Most of my doctors report to a big conglomerate "health system" company that owns several hospitals and clinices, and recently launched their own health insurance company.
And both the doctors and the "health system" have to comply with a ton of regulations, many of which big conglomerate health companies drafted and lobbied for.
What was I supposed to answer?
I love when we're on the same page.
Like fookin’ soulmates we are.
Popehat, Noah Rothman, and Sullum walk into a clown college ...
And Professor Dillinger welcomes them to “Clown Clique Membership Signaling 101”.
clique?
Yes, in the case of your comment, “Popehat, Noah Rothman, and Sullum walk into a clown college …”, you were signaling your membership in the conservative, Reason-bashing clique, which has a lot of overlap with the Mean Girls clique.
not that I require validation from anyone here, but you seem to be my biggest fan
I don't believe for a second you don't want validation from the Mean Girls and "unReason" cliques. There's no other reason to have post that comment.
this is the one place on the interwebs I voice my opinion. if someone reads it, gracias.
there aren't like ... meetings or box socials ... or if there are I'm not on the list
You’ll have to try harder to get invited.
LOL, save your insecurities for your therapist, shithead.
"signaling your membership in the conservative, Reason-bashing clique... There’s no other reason to have post that comment."
Mike's so incredibly bien pensant he can't imagine that someone might reject orthodoxy for any other reason than to be part of an orthodoxy.
lol. orthodoxy rejects good name for garage band
a clown college ...
Which one? Princeton? Harvard? Cal Berkley? Details, man! Paint a picture.
I'll hasten you to not refer to Princeton that way ...
Another Popehat quote, from today (yeah, from Mastodon!):
https://mastodon.social/@Popehat/110826155145302918
Looking at the six co-conspirators, only one — Kenneth Chesebro - went to Harvard or Yale Law. This is disappointing. In this great nation’s history and culture, Harvard and Yale have played prominent and indispensable roles in destroying the Republic. Letting me down here.
Yes, two went to Georgetown Law. Nice work Georgetown. Way to get on the board! It’s a good start but see if you can start a few wars or overthrow something and get back to us.
If a criminal charge against a former President requires “a nuanced look at strengths and weaknesses of the indictment” then the law is a very bad law and should be struck down. If lawyers have serious, legitimate disagreements from all angles over these indictments and almost all of them conclude that a fair jury would have problems convicting the former President, then how would an ordinary, non-lawyer citizen know if their actions violated the law? My own non-nuanced opinion is that it is impossible to “defraud” the government by saying you think the election itself was fraudulent. One might defraud the government by contracting to sell grapefruit to the army and then delivering it grapefruit seeds. One cannot, in my opinion, defraud “the government” by agitating to overturn an election in a political or legal process.
The maxim that ignorance of the law is no excuse relies on the presumption that there exists a fair chance to understand what the law requires, forbids, or both. If a law is unconstitutionally vague, then this defeats that presumption.
"Idaho can't start prosecuting doctors for referring women to out-of-state clinics where they can get abortions"
Although it might be tempting to take this law out of context and believe that Idaho legislators and the Governor actually believe in a total ban on abortions, I believe that this should be considered in the context of the culture wars. A total ban and violation of First and Fourth Amendments is the only way to get the Supreme Court's attention after years of legislation from the bench by "liberal" Judges. Eventually I think the "conservative" Court will settle down the culture wars with more reasonable decisions. In the meantime I STILL don't want to be forced to pay for someone else's abortion!
Sure we have.
The Durham Report shows how the Justice Department attempted to overthrow the government by fraud.
Ah, broad and flexible by design.
In other words, unconstitutionally vague.
Of course, with these broad interpretations of fraud, the whole "Trump Colluded with the Russians®™ to Steal the 2016 Election" propaganda campaign was a conspiracy to defraud the United States.
I usually try to avoid "whataboutism" on this forum, but in this case you're absolutely right. When the prosecutors apply one standard to politicians of one party and a different standard to politicians of the other party, it means that "equal justice under the law" is long gone.
One of my longtime Usenet allies, Christopher Charles Morton, wrote this about General Mark Milley.
https://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=379970&p=4515565#post4515565
Noah Rothman's article is good - but it won't prevent lots of Trumpsuckers posting how the indictment is double jeopardy (conflating the impeachment charge with the unrelated charges in the indictment), the charges are not real crimes, or the offences are contrary to 1A, etc.
As he says, which is enough to get him accused here of being a leftist:
Donald Trump’s many failed legal challenges of 2020’s election outcomes and the many Americans he deceived created the conditions that erupted in violence. He lied repeatedly, brazenly, and likely knowingly. He suborned others to lie. He sought to obstruct the proper workings of government. And his behavior begat one of the darkest days in this country’s history.
All of which is to say: These charges deserve the hearing they are about to receive.
In the demotic, "what he said"...
How would these failed legal challenges cause violence?
Also, is he opining that using legal challenges that you have is somebody wrong if others do bad things?
How would these failed legal challenges cause violence?
Apparently Trump supporters don't have any agency, they just do whatever the Trumpenfuhrer/ OrangeManBad tells them to do. Although by that "logic" they should have all gone home after he told them to.
Who said anything about lacking agency? Trump supporters individually got pissed off of their own volition and decided to resort to violence. If you get someone fired up by lying to them, they're still acting volitionally even if they've been misled and even if the person misleading them knows their propensity for getting fired up.
They wouldn't by themselves. Read what Rothman actually said: "created the conditions that erupted in violence."
Why did Noah ignore the cases trumps team won shrike? Did Gores failed legal challenge in 2020 deserve to have him locked up?
Still not shrike you lying fuckwit.
And you keep on misrepresenting the nature of the cases that Trump won.. Almost none of them were attempts to overturn the election outcomes - and those cases were the ones that mattered. But you know this, you just can't be honest about it.
One take I have not read in these comments, today. What to make of VPOTUS Pence's recent comments wrt his old boss. He was very unsparing in his analysis.
Not sure about the rest of you, but I personally place great weight on what VPOTUS Pence has to say. Mike Pence is a man who acted with personal integrity and honor on January 6th, and therefore, is worthy of being listened to closely, which I am doing (along with many others, I suspect). He is about as honest as you will ever get in Washington DC.
When your top subordinate is saying some of the things he is saying....it gives me pause.
Tell me....why should I not listen to this honest* man (VP Pence).
*Look, he is a politician. He is 'honest' by DC standards.
"but I personally place great weight on what VPOTUS Pence has to say."
You also simp for Ukraine, so sucking off a corrupt liar who loathes the American people is no surprise
>>great weight on what VPOTUS Pence has to say
HW hated Reagan too.
HW hated Reagan too.
Most VPs are people who were also running for the top job but lost the nomination. Which is bound to create some friction. I suspect most VPs have secretly, or in some cases not so secretly, hated their boss.
absolutely. I think in '80 they stuck the Langley guy in to keep tabs on Ronnie though
Let's review:
Pence was behind the firing of Flynn and supported destroying his life by framing him and family members for crimes.
Recommend corrupt, swamp intel officials.
Spearheaded to covid hoax.
Lied about both the law and his intentions to screw over the American people by supporting an illegitimate election.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Pence was behind the firing of Flynn and supported destroying his life by framing him and family members for crimes. = Whut??? You sure you did not dyslex Biden for Pence?
There is nothing wrong with me. VPOTUS Pence acted rightly on January 6th. I do not think there is a serious dispute about that. Nardz, VP Pence simply did not have the legal (or moral) authority to overturn an electoral result, in his capacity. I don't think he was very happy with the electoral result - he did the right thing anyway.
We disagree on VP Pence. My estimation of the man is very different than yours.
Which proves your moral weakness.
It's either weakness or evil.
Take your pick, and stop stabbing good Americans in the back.
No.
This is fucking evil, you back stabbing collaborator.
https://twitter.com/SuburbanJihadi/status/1686980197651042304?t=76yzyXpO5SR3EFyyj7LzjQ&s=19
every immigrant in this picture is a male between 18-30
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No, no. They're definitely children. Some kids just age super quickly.
Age aside, all are clearly Mexicans with precisely zero safe countries between the US and their respective countries of origin. Maybe a couple so persecuted in their home countries that they took a direct flight from there to the US, presumably without paperwork, to be sure.
Ben Shapiro indicates he might sue Facebook and the Feds for violating his and his company's First Amendment rights.
Good luck with his suing over Facebook's moderation of his free-of-charge account for which he clicked on a ToU agreement authored by Facebook's lawyers.
Backpage co-founder, veteran journalist, and free speech warrior James Larkin has committed suicide… A judge has ruled that the trial will still start next week.
So can we try John Wilkes Booth for shooting Lincoln? He’s dead too.
The insurrectionist who initiated the conversion of The Party Of Lincoln to The Party Of Trump? I give it a 50/50.