Prosecutors Say Backpage Defendants Shouldn't Be Allowed To Reference the 1st Amendment
Prosecutors also want a judge to take basically all possible defenses off the table.

The founders and several former executives of Backpage are set to stand trial this August, more than five years after being arrested for allegedly facilitating prostitution and nearly two years since a judge declared a mistrial over biased testimony and prosecutorial overreach. Throughout the prosecution, the government has engaged in questionable tactics that seek to limit the ability of those accused to defend themselves. And it seems federal prosecutors don't intend to stop attempting to abuse their power now.
In a series of motions filed yesterday, the government seeks to prevent the Backpage defendants' legal team from making basically any reasonable attempt to defend against the charges against them.
Most egregiously, prosecutors want to bar them from mentioning the First Amendment. But the First Amendment is at the center of this case, which revolves around user-generated ads posted to a digital classified-advertising platform. The very crux of the matter is online content and speech.
Backpage founders Michael Lacey and James Larkin, along with several former executives at the company, are charged with facilitating prostitution in violation of the Travel Act. The government alleges that they knowingly allowed people to post prostitution ads to Backpage, and prostitution is illegal in most of the country. The defendants argue that the ads in question were for escorting and other forms of legal sex work, which makes them legal speech protected by the First Amendment. And if people posting the ads went on to privately engage in illegal conduct, it was without the knowledge of anyone running Backpage.
Now, the government is moving "to preclude defense counsel, Defendants, and their witnesses from referencing the First Amendment and 'free speech' at any time in the
presence of the jury."
During the September 2021 trial that would be declared a mistrial, a star government witness admitted that he could not say for certain whether the ads prosecutors say are evidence of illegal prostitution were actually ads for illegal prostitution. This is another central—and highly disputed—matter in this case. But the government now argues that the court should simply assume the ads are for illegal conduct and thus categorically excluded from First Amendment protection.
The government's request here is ballsy, bonkers, and an egregious overreach.
Imagine the government trying someone for robbery, having their star witness admit that maybe no robbery took place, and then barring the suspect from arguing that he was innocent because there was no robbery. That's essentially what the government is trying to do here.
In fact, another motion filed yesterday directly argues that the defendants should not be allowed to make declarations "about the legality or illegality of any advertisement, either charged or uncharged."
Of course, the government's case relies on asserting that the ads in its indictment are illegal. Surely, federal prosecutors intend at trial to insist on the illegality of the Backpage advertisements—otherwise, they wouldn't have a case. Yet they want to legally prohibit the Backpage team's lawyers from arguing that the ads were not illegal.
And that's not all. In addition to the motions arguing that the Backpage defense team shouldn't be able to mention free speech or the potential legality of Backpage ads, the government yesterday filed seven other motions, each arguing that a different line of defense should be precluded.
One motion argues that the defense team shouldn't be allowed to reference Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, the federal law that shields internet platforms and users from some liability for the speech of third parties.
Another motion says Lacey, Larkin, and the other executives shouldn't be able to defend themselves against accusations that they knew they were breaking the law by pointing out that Backpage lawyers repeatedly assured them they were not breaking the law.
Part of the government's case involves impugning the company for charging people to post adult-oriented ads, arguing that this was an attempt to profit off illegal activity. The defense team has pointed out that state attorneys general urged the web classified-ad platform Craigslist to charge for ads because this would create a financial paper trail that made finding and prosecuting wrongdoers easier. The government now seeks to bar the Backpage defense team from referencing this arrangement.
The government also wants to bar the defense team from commenting on the legitimacy of the prosecution and or any tactics employed by prosecutors; from referencing the 2021 trial that was declared a mistrial because of the government's conduct; or from mentioning previous legal cases where courts ruled in Backpage's favor.
And it says that references to Lacey and Larkin's previous First Amendment battle with former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio (who was found guilty of retaliating against them for something they published in the Phoenix New Times paper); references to the defendants' families, to the defendants' personal lives, to Lacey and Larkin's extensive history in the journalism industry, or any other comment "on any facts or evidence or individuals that are not anticipated to be introduced into evidence at the trial" should not be allowed in opening or closing statements. In other words, the defendants may not attempt to humanize themselves.
Let's hope the judge swiftly strikes down all of these motions. The prosecution of Lacey, Larkin, and the other Backpage defendants has already been full of injustices. But this latest batch of government demands reaches a whole new level of audacity and, if granted, would make a total farce of any idea of justice being served here.
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Can't we just lock them up? Why does there have to be a stupid trial, anyway?
But that's exactly what they did. They've been in jail for half a decade now. Pretty sure the government's plan is just to hold the defendants without resolving the trial until the defendant's die of old age. Kamala Harris needs this victory to keep what little political clout she has.
First, I would point out that, although the government is behaving badly (who woulda thought!?), I'm pretty sure these defendants made bail pretty quickly.
Second, holy crap Reason is changing the comments section that people have been complaining about for at least a decade!?! Strange Days, indeed.
"Why won't you just let us take all of your money and put you in prison forever? STOP RESISTING!"
Much like every other constitutional protection, the right to a trial by jury has been gutted.
The Judge orchestrates what the jury is allowed to hear. It's not a trial, it's a play written by a judge.
If I'm ever on a jury, I will suggest to the jury that they ask to see a record of all motions and rulings in the case that were not directly witnessed by the jury.
Gotta keep up appearances, so you gotta have a trial. So far, with only one rather blatant example involving "insurrection", the government cannot just scoop people up and put them in prison without a trial. The trick is going to be jury selection, where this trial will be won or lost.
While sitting through the trial might be boring, I think watching the voir dire as veniremen are selected or challenged (struck from the jury panel) will be as exciting as the first viewing of The Godfather, and more instructive. [Please listen to what the prosecuting attorney wishes to say to all of you prior to beginning to question you about being on the jury - he's going to make you an offer you cannot refuse - "Nice little life you got there - be a shame if something happened to it."]
Will there be even one of the veniremen who is willing to lie like a rug and disclaim any knowledge of or respect for the principle of jury nullification? Those of you who remain of the age to make you subject to jury calls (full disclosure - I am over that age and now can speak openly about jury nullification), if you cherish the power you have, keep your mouths shut and your keyboards silent, and be willing to lie like rugs, else you will never survive the vetting that anything-to-win prosecutors will submit potential jurors to. (You are not "honor-bound" when dealing with a system that is totally devoid of both honesty and honor.) While you must never acknowledge it, know that you do have the power to "try the law" as well as the facts, and derail any conviction that is at its base "unjust".
Does the defense actually have real attorneys, or were they robbed of all their assets and forced to use a public pretender?
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(Me? I looked DAMNED sharp in a gorilla mask! Just sayin'! Where do I audition?)
Hey Sqrlsy, you Nazi piece of shit.
Are you here to tell us again how the Backpage prosecution isn't about punishing executives for allowing free speech on their platforms?
RTFA, Read The Fucking Article, mentally handicapped Wonder Child!
"One motion argues that the defense team shouldn't be allowed to reference Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, the federal law that shields internet platforms and users from some liability for the speech of third parties."
The NAZIs and the Mind-Cuntrollers and Power Pigs (such ass YOUR Perfectly Pathetic ass, Bee-Yotch!) FEAR and want to BYPASS Section 230! This PROVES that we NEED S-230!
(In passing, I would mention that I am not in favor of Government Almighty micro-managing the sales of penis and pussy-services, BUTT... This IS a distinctly different animal than the moderation of political commentary! Baby steps will get us there! One issue at a time! Taking DOWN S-230 is a GIANT step in the WRONG direction!)
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Is that syphilitic moron still around?
Too bad.
Like prosecutors are doing for J6 defendants? Oh, never mind. That is a good thing.
Abd the redneck Cato is at it again.
Hey shrike. Just because your an ignorant leftist soros cultist doesn't change the facts.
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The facts are that every thread about anyone on the receiving end of government unfairness where people quite rightly criticise government action produces a response from you along the lines, "but what about the J6 rioters?" - and almost invariably you are utterly unconcerned about the subjects of the article.
In fact - more facts for you - when there is ever an article about police malfeasance, brutality, etc. you either forbear from comment at all (like MoLa and RMac) or just mention J6 - "why aren't you as upset/angry about the treatment of J6 are you are about this guy?"
Hence the Cato comment.
"Like prosecutors are doing for J6 defendants?"
They aren't doing anything like this. They also aren't holding them without charges. They aren't doing anything to the J6 defendants that you regularly claim.
The easiest way for the J6 defendants to have avoided charges would have been for them to avoid criminal behavior. It turns out that joining a mob that attacked police, smashed their way into the Capitol, and forced the evacuation of Congress members who were attempting to certify a free and fair election was a bad life decision.
If you don't want to go to jail, don't break the law. It's not rocket science.
There’s a right-wing conspiracy, spread by among others, Kari Lake, that J6 defendants are being held without charge. There’s no evidence, but that has never stopped them from believing it, or at least, asserting it.
What is true is that the J6 defendants are being held in jails under conditions that are typical for jailed defendants, rather than the Four Seasons (the hotels not the landscapers…) that these patriots are entitled to – according to their advocates here and elsewhere.
Lotta bootlickers in this thread.
One motion argues that the defense team shouldn't be allowed to reference Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, the federal law that shields internet platforms and users from some liability for the speech of third parties.
Here's why.
FYI, this is why... in my "lawyerly" opinion, the tech companies fucked themselves when they got in the "misinformation" game. The tech companies-- in particular, Twitter, Youtube and Facebook got into the editorial business when they started planting messages on top of user content, warning the viewer that the above "needed context" or was "misinformation".
As one trial lawyer said about section 230: It protects the platforms for what their users post, but it DOESN'T protect the platform for what the platform does with that post.
Putting aside any opinions on the backpage matter... if... IF "Section 230 [really] is the First Amendment of the Internet" but Section 230 is off the table in this case, then Backpage should make a First Amendment argument. Why aren't they?
???
"Putting aside any opinions on the backpage matter…" ... goes on to talk about theBackpage matter. Huh?
"then Backpage should make a First Amendment argument"
Huh? The blog post above literally talks about Backpage wanting to not be denied the option of making a First Amendment argument in court.
No, the blog post is about government prosecutors attempting to deny Backpage a 1A defense.
Fucking Liarson, two piles of shit in one post. Opinions of the Backpage matter, meaning whether Paul agrees with BP or not. Imbecile.
???
You just paraphrased what I said. So, you are insulting me over something we are in agreement about. Weird.
Your writing is barely coherent, by the way.
I think they'd like to, but the feds are trying to prevent them from doing that either.
And they demand that the defendants and their attorneys be bound and gagged throughout the proceedings.
That would have saved them a lot of time instead of composing so many motions.
But if the judge can manage to hear the safe word clearly, they can stop.
They don't even need to be in the courtroom. Just toss 'em in jail, the judge can yell "guilty!", and Bob's yer uncle.
Chicago 7?
Not really related news, but interesting:
https://www.axios.com/2023/06/07/fox-news-tucker-carlson-contract-breach
“Fox News Wednesday notified Tucker Carlson’s lawyers that the former prime-time anchor violated his contract with the network when he launched his own Twitter show on Tuesday, according to a copy of a letter obtained by Axios.”
“Carlson’s lawyers told Axios that any legal action by Fox would violate his First Amendment rights.”
Since this is a disagreement about contractual obligations, it would seem Carlson’s lawyers’ invocation of the First Amendment is grandstanding in the court of public opinion. Looks like the legal argument they may actually use is “Twitter is not directly competitive with Fox News”.
"Fox News Wednesday notified Tucker Carlson’s lawyers that the former prime-time anchor violated his contract with the network when he launched his own Twitter show on Tuesday"
Just as planned. Silence his program and then sue him if he tries to speak elsewhere. Team D isn't even pretending anymore.
Fox News is now part of Team D? LOL
It was always establishment, and it's been captured and controlled opposition for two or three years now.
Since it’s gone full woketard it’s ratings have crashed.
Have you yet got over Fox's decision desk calling AZ for Biden?
Ever since Roger Ailes died.
Shortly after they lost the lawsuit, I was surprised to see they published a liberal editorial.
Typical prosecutor conduct. The defendant shouldn't be able to have a defense!
Where there's smoke, there's fire Yer Onner! Why would we be prosecuting them if they hadn't done anything wrong?
The new DOJ motto "Accusation implies guilt"?
Wait ... Federal prosecutors can't prove that a single one of the ads was actually for illegal purposes?! This reminds me of the case where Martha Stewart was convicted and spent time in a Federal penitentiary for telling the truth to investigators that she didn't commit the crime that prosecutors did not charge her with. Un ... freakin' ... believable!
Also reminds me of the "Teapot Dome" in which Secretary Fall was convicted of accepting a bribe that Edward Doheny was acquitted of giving him.
This!
Turmp prosecutions though, totally on the up-and-up.
So, you have a right to a speedy public trial, but all your other rights are suspended during the trial?
It's not even that speedy. It's been five fuckin' years.
How's about this for a defense: "Men don't pay women for sex, they pay them to go away. Thus prostitution does not exist."
They could sing the song
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Do you ever quote anything from this century boomer?
These prosecutors are annoying.
'.....argues that the defendants should not be allowed to make declarations "about the legality or illegality of any advertisement, either charged or uncharged....' . Exactly right. They are talking about the defense making declarations of law during the opening statements. Trial law 101. Judges rule on issues of law; jury rules on issues of act. Neither side can declare something is the law (the ads were legal) or is a fact, in an opening statement. There is no 1A issue here.
Then what do you do when your defense is that the law, or the particular application of the law is unconstitutional?
Wait, aren't they trying to limit these defenses in the entire trial, not just in opening statements?
Also, if the defense can't say that the ads were legal, how can the government say they were illegal, absent a conviction or other proof of illegality?
This seems like a ridiculous level of overreach. It's like they're complaining, "It's really hard to prove these charges, Your Honor, so could you help us out by preventing them from disputing anything we say?".
I agree with ENB on the criticism of the prosecutor here. My only complaint is the lack of consistency of the arguments of prosecutors trying to limit what a defense is allowed to present.
Reason was silent on the judicial orders agreed to (At the behest of prosecutors) for J6 defendants, Fox’s defamation case, etc.
It seems that Reason picks and chooses when to stand up for the defense side against prosecutorial abuses.
In my view a defense should never be limited in any capacity as to which arguments they choose to use. Prosecution should be limited based on standards. It is always best to defer to the defense side in these arguments. But Reason has not always argued for that consistency.
This backpage case is right down mainstreet for libertarians.
But this is the new normal. This case and Silk Road and Kim Dotcom were just opening salvos.
That our justice system has been completely subverted is beyond dispute at this point. They don't even bother hiding it. Prosecutors all over the country are openly boasting that they are completely politically motivated in their prosecution decisions. We even have prosecutors running for office on promises to "get" specific people.
What has me flabbergasted is the complete disinterest from the libertarian press.
Everything we warned about as "worst case scenario" is happening right now.
What "libertarian press"?
Well, see ... I'll 'splain it to you. The J6 rioters made libertarians look bad. Also the minute men at Lexington and Concord made the colonials look bad. And the Boston massacre rioters made colonials look bad. Reason exists to try to make libertarians look rational and substantial. Like King Knute the Cute holding outstretched arms against the ocean tide, we continue to struggle for acceptance with the millions of American sheeple who read Reason articles every day.
"Reason was silent on the judicial orders agreed to (At the behest of prosecutors) for J6 defendants, Fox’s defamation case, etc."
Which orders for "J6 defendants" are your referring to? Please be specific, since you tend to take a single incident and pretend that it is a broad standard.
And prosecutors didn't ask for anything in the Fox defamation suit. It wasn't a criminal prosecution, nor was the government involved in the case.
"In my view a defense should never be limited in any capacity as to which arguments they choose to use."
If they assert things, do you believe they should have to prove it has some basis in fact or should anything they say be OK?
For example, if they claim that the FBI agent who's testifying against them is corrupt, should it just be accepted as truth without proof?
selectively making the right points is something ...
ENB is now against procecuters abusing power? Clearly she didn't read her own work this morning
It is annoying.
Bill of rights? What is this Bill of rights you keep referring to?
That refers to how much money it will cost you to assert your rights. For instance, in some States it can cost hundreds of dollars to assert your 2nd Amendment rights.
... or hundreds of thousands to defend yourself while resting in your prison cell ...
Most egregiously, prosecutors want to bar them from mentioning the First Amendment. But the First Amendment is at the center of this case
And while we're at it, how about we skip the trial, don't enter a verdict, and go straight to sentencing?
They’d probably like to just send a guard to the cell to shoot them in the head.
Then bill the family for the bullet.
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1st amendment rights for me, but not for thee, said the government prosecutor. One has to wonder if the cowardly current Supreme Court will see it the same way. We were led to think the 1st amendment applies to everyone.
This case has been a total joke from the start but not being able to mention the First Amendment during aFirst Amendment case? Really? What next? Trying someone for murder and not letting them point out that the alleged victim is actually alive? Makes about as much sense.
Welcome to the Gestapo Police...
Every Nazi-Nation has one.
OK, I hate articles like this, because they are legally ignorant. Or, worse, they know what they're talking about and intentionally misrepresenting it to create clickbait.
Right off the bat - literally, second paragraph - my immediate thought was, "Those sound like motions in limine." Sure enough, I downloaded them from the in-line cites (thank you!) - and they are.
But here's the thing - if you don't know what a motion in limine is, you shouldn't be reporting or commenting on them. And if you DO, then you should be telling your audience that they're MILs and what MILs are for.
Essentially, they're pre-trial motions intended to circumscribe the merits of the trial to only things that are in genuine dispute. They keep trials from becoming circuses, and prevent shady attorneys from ringing potentially highly prejudicial bells that can't be unrung to a jury's ears.
Every single case in America files these kinds of pre-trial motions. Even the most routine injury case will file dozens and dozens of MILs. On BOTH sides. Heck, sometimes they're so voluminous they're called Omnibus Motions in Limine.
This isn't the prosecution suppressing 1A. It's the prosecution throwing out every argument they can think of to make the trial more favorable to their client. And guess what, defense is doing the same thing. I wouldn't be surprised if they're filing to exclude the word "prostitution" or any derivation or related term.
>Imagine the government trying someone for robbery, having their star witness admit that maybe no robbery took place, and then barring the suspect from arguing that he was innocent because there was no robbery. That's essentially what the government is trying to do here.
And the judge would promptly deny it. Because the question "did a robbery take place" is going to be the question for a jury. But a judge might accept a MIL that says, "Don't bring up the defendant's criminal history." Because that'd probably be prejudicial, as the question before the court isn't "is this guy a career scumbag" it's "did he rob the person when we're saying he was robbed."
>But this latest batch of government demands reaches a whole new level of audacityNo it doesn't. That's clickbait nonsense. Be better. Facts, not narrative.
I don't even play a lawyer on TV so, if you are willing, can you answer some questions for me?
"Essentially, they’re pre-trial motions intended to circumscribe the merits of the trial to only things that are in genuine dispute."
Does "only things that are in genuine dispute" refer to the two larties, or the law? For example, if the prosecutors were to file an MIL that says, "the defense can't use the Second Amendment in this case" and the defense agrees, it's accepted, but if they disagree, it isn't? Or does the prosecution say "the defense shouldn't be able to use the Second Amendment" and then the judge says, "Yeah, this isn't a Second Amendment case"?
It seems to me that it should be the latter. If so, does filing outrageous MILs like, "The defense shouldn't be able to talk about the First Amendment in this First Amendment case" have any negative repercussions? Would the prosecution risk pissing off the judge? Would it impact their reputation? Would it risk professional censure?
"It’s the prosecution throwing out every argument they can think of to make the trial more favorable to their client."
By "their client", I assume you mean the state. Are government prosecutors obligated to something larger than winning? Is there an "interest of justice" (for want of a better phrase) element to state prosecutions?
I understand the idea of preventing whackadoo defenses to keep a trial from becoming an exercise in sophistry. Preventing "if you can"t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit" makes sense. But in this case isn't the First Amendment and the illegality of the advertised services central to the case?
I’ll try, but I’m going to have to take your reply in parts because it deals with different things.
First: >Does “only things that are in genuine dispute” refer to the two parties, or the law?
It applies to the law. With a degree of judicial discretion if they think it’s warranted under the circumstances.
If a Judge grants (or doesn’t grant) a MIL that is believed to have adversely affected the trial – that’s something that can be taken up on appeal. And that’s the kind of thing that can slowly make its way to SCOTUS if it’s egregious enough.
I think that’s where Liz wants to go with this article – but she does a terrible job of it.
Second: > “The defense shouldn’t be able to talk about the First Amendment in this First Amendment case” have any negative repercussions? (And later: >But in this case isn’t the First Amendment and the illegality of the advertised services central to the case?)
I don’t actually agree that this is a 1A case. I mean, I get it – I’m at Reason and we have a big libertarian audience that is all, “Yaaaay, I support legal prostitution, let the whores and their pimps advertise freely. Woooo, libertarianism.”
But I still disagree that’s the crux of this current litigation. Fact is, there’s a law in play here. And Backpage is alleged to have broken it. And the heart of this article is that they’re complaining about MILs that they hope get taken up on appeal to decide a Constitutional question of whether pimps should be able to advertise their whores for sale online.
They didn’t explain any of that to their audience, mind you – just fed them the half-baked 1A chum, going with agenda-based narrative that makes what’s happening seem far more insidious than it is because they disagree fundamentally with the State litigating against Backpage in the first place.
At the end of the day, this litigation is the State saying that a law was broken. And their MILs are geared towards keeping the trial focused exclusively on that issue.
Which they should be.
If the Court uses bad law, or bad interpretation of it – that’s WHY they assert the MILs. So they can take it up on appeal if need be.
Third: > By “their client”, I assume you mean the state. Are government prosecutors obligated to something larger than winning?
Yes, but it’s not what (I think) you think. Lawyers are explicitly prohibited from (and can be disbarred for) substituting their own judgment over that of their client. And that includes State advocates. Individual lawyers can quit if they find their advocacy ethically questionable, but by “quit” I mean their job. And a State attorney can (and ethically should) cut bait if they come to the clear realization that their case is a bagel.
In that respect, they are obliged to something larger than winning. But if the case has legs, even weak ones – and it’s something the State is trying to win in Court and hired their attorney to do, and the State attorney doesn’t object to it enough to quit his job? Then, yea – I would wholly expect him to go at it full tilt.
The “interest of justice” as you put it isn’t self-defined. Nor is it the job of a State Attorney to answer a Constitutional or Conflict of Laws question unilaterally. They defend their client – the State, in this case – to the best of their ability.
And that means favorable MILs.
It’s not anti-1A in its own right. It’s just client advocacy. What Liz fails to explain in this article is that State is trying to apply the law. A law that Liz (and Reason) doesn’t think should be a law.
But instead of just saying, “That shouldn’t be a law,” they instead try to paint the entire justice system as unjust for doing its job, exactly as its supposed to do, according to the rule of law.
Which I’m not OK with.
I hope all that makes sense. If I can clarify anything, I'll be more than happy to take a look at it and try and give an objective perspective.
"It applies to the law ... And that’s the kind of thing that can slowly make its way to SCOTUS if it’s egregious enough."
That makes sense. Thank you.
"Yaaaay, I support legal prostitution"
LOL! And guilty as charged.
"Fact is, there’s a law in play here ... And their MILs are geared towards keeping the trial focused exclusively on that issue."
Facilitating prostitution based on them allowing escorts to advertise on their site, correct? Isn't the absence of proof of prostitution problematic for the state? Wouldn't it then follow that the assertion of First Amendment rights regarding ads for legal conduct (assuming no evidence of prostitution is presented) is relevant?
"If I can clarify anything, I’ll be more than happy to take a look at it and try and give an objective perspective."
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
>Wouldn’t it then follow that the assertion of First Amendment rights regarding ads for legal conduct (assuming no evidence of prostitution is presented) is relevant?
See, that’s where general understanding of the law gets a little funky and confused. You’re not wrong – but you’re missing where that argument properly comes into play.
In an overly simplistic fashion, imagine it like this:
The State charges you with murder. Yea? Well murder shouldn’t be a law! But it is a law. Well I don’t agree with that, and I’m going to try and overturn that law! OK, but until you do, you’re still charged with murder.
Backpage may very well have a valid 1A argument here. They may assert that the law they’re charged with breaking is unconstitutional under 1A. But that’s not going to be considered or decided in the Court they’re currently facing.
That’s why the article ultimately bugged me in the first place. They’re complaining about MILs that make all the sense in the world for the State to file, because they’re conflating the present case (did they break the law?) with a 1A claim (is that law Constitutional?) that isn’t at issue. Yet.
And that’s why I called it legal ignorance. There’s no understanding of the procedural workings by the author, thus no ability to meaningfully inform her audience. As the result even the very title is misleading, as it aims to get them oh-so-righteously upset at something they don’t even understand.
aka clickbait.
I see your point. Thank you for taking the time and explaining your point. I've missed thread like this. They aren't as common as they were when I joined.
Oops. Double post.
"The defendants argue that the ads in question were for escorting and other forms of legal sex work"
Whoa, just a moment. Isn't the reason "escorting" is legal is that it nominally ISN'T "sex work"? You're paying the girl to go on a date with you, essentially. Granted, she's not getting much repeat business if the date doesn't end up with her in bed with you, but you're still nominally just paying for a date. It's not like you can sue her for breach of contract if no sex happens.
That's why it's called "escorting", after all.
Demunnists violating our Constitution and rights? It would be shocking - if it weren't their standard operating procedure.
British Shrike. This one’s apparently an Oxfordian lawyer, not a Georgian pederast.
Modest correction: I studied law (jurisprudence) at Oxford, but I am not a lawyer.
Nope. Flunked undergrad. Failed 7 out of 8 papers in finals. Passed administrative law, though I've no idea how.
Still not shrike. And it's not any kind of low - there is no standard here; but when a clear pattern emerges it would be remiss not to take note of it. Perhaps I'm just better at pattern recognition - bur that still doesn't make it a low.