Democrats' Gaslighting, Republicans' Temper Tantrum Endanger America's Gas Stoves
The White House insists it doesn't want to ban gas stoves but still needs the power to do so.

President Joe Biden—despite his administration insisting it had no interest in banning gas stoves—has said that he would veto a Republican-backed bill that would prevent him from doing just that.
It turns out he won't have to.
Earlier this week, conservative Freedom Caucus members in the House joined with their Democratic colleagues to block two bills protecting gas stoves from federal bans and restrictions. They say it's payback for House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R–Calif.) forcing through a debt ceiling deal without their consent.
"Today, we took down the rule because we're frustrated at the way this place is operating," said Rep. Matt Gaetz (R–Fla.) on Tuesday, per the Washington Examiner.
"We warned them not to cut that deal without coming down and sit down and talk to us. So this is all about restoring a process that will fundamentally change things back to what was working," agreed Rep. Chip Roy (R–Texas).
Just like that, a chance to protect a beloved kitchen appliance from the federal government's regulatory onslaught against "things that work" has died.
Politics is a petty business. The fact that lawmakers would kill one bill because they didn't get their way on another isn't too outside the norm. It is nevertheless incredibly frustrating that the Freedom Caucus would target these particular bills with its temper tantrum.
There's only so much a Republican-led House can do for libertarians. One area where it could be expected to do some good is in stopping the federal government from ripping appliances out of people's walls.
For all his faults, former President Donald Trump was a sterling defender of appliance freedom. His administration's deregulatory drive tried to restore Americans' rights to buy dishwashers that clean dishes and showerheads that gush like waterfalls. The Biden administration is hard at work undoing this legacy with proposed new regulations on over a dozen appliance categories.
Despite their normally slavish devotion to the former president, the Freedom Caucus is failing to protect Trump's legacy by joining with Democrats to block legislative protections for gas stoves.
This isn't to let Democrats off the hook at all. They're the aggressors in the gas stove wars.
We wouldn't need Republicans to protect gas stoves if federal regulators weren't musing about banning them and if states and cities weren't adopting their own prohibitions.
The justifications for these bans, on both climate and health grounds, are incredibly flimsy. Democrats' suggestion that people can't decide for themselves how best to cook a meal in their own homes is just offensive. Their insistence that gas stove bans aren't actually happening is positively infuriating.
In a recent statement promising to veto Republicans' gas stove bills, the Biden administration insisted that it has no interest in banning these appliances but still needs the power to do so.
Inbox: White House says it "does not support any attempt to ban the use of gas stoves" while simultaneously declaring opposition to congressional Republicans' efforts to prevent federal regulatory authorities from effectively banning gas stoves pic.twitter.com/AiKoYDrEbD
— Eric Boehm (@EricBoehm87) June 6, 2023
Anyone with a shred of self-governing self-respect should be filled with righteous anger over all of this.
And yet, when it comes time for a Republican-led House of Representatives to convert that righteous anger into productive policy, lawmakers collapse into intraparty bickering. Sad!
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Leftist Reason just can't stop themselves from criticizing Republicans.
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At this point all they’ve got is “but Republicans bad too” schtick.
Yet in this article, they present no reason as to say why. Some hand waiving about intra-party bickering. Reason supports the Republicans' stance on blocking the banning gas stoves yet calls it a temper tantrum in the headline. Make up your mind Reason.
If they criticize the Democrats, who certainly deserve criticism they have to say something bad about the Republicans. But if a Republican deserves criticism there is never a criticism of a Democrats. Reason writers have their head’s up their asses, and can’t see how partisan they are on politics. They are certainly NOT libertarians, but they are pretty far left, even a bit woke Democrats.
I think the smart alternative is to convert homes to instant-heat hot water heaters. Thailand and Malaysia use them exclusively, and they would create the best savings of ALL appliances. Sometimes, the answers are too easy.
There is a lot to criticize them for.
This is what in soccer is referred to as an "own goal".
Banning gas stoves is a loser politically for the Dems and won't even do anything for climate change, as most electricity in the US is still generated from buring stuff.
America should be thankful and immediately issue green cards to the Indian engineers who invented the Solar Crematorium
https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2020/09/solar-cremation-park-poses-carbon.html
Next we need a Solar Woodchipper.
Quit sockpuppeting and shilling your shitty parody site, Shrike. You're not actually tricking anyone.
Ha! Hadn't noticed. Guess that would be a Solar Vvoodchipper.
Public Ignoramus shows up from time to time to prove the depths of stupidity.
still trying that "vv" trick on your scamsite?
But, only a few months ago, (and in this morning's roundup) banning gas stoves was just some nutty far-right culture war conspiracy theory.
Ha! Only takes two to make a conspiracy!
Don't you know? In the 21st century all conspiracies are true but some are politically incorrect.
According to the DOJ, it takes zero and just possibly thinking about one.
Would it get more hits if the url began with an àßþàßþ?
" some nutty far-right culture war conspiracy theory."
It's actually worse than that...It's the ultraconservatives! The horror!
Wow, actually changing their mind in response to new information? Burn the heretics!
But ENB quoted someone saying gas stoves are a hard right problem. What more is there to say?
It takes a special kind of retard to believe quoting someone equals agreeing with everything the person has to say.
Well, you are definitely a special kind of retard, and in the past you've accused people of agreeing with the horrible things they've quoted, so okay.
It takes a special kind of retard to not read the snarky context that went along with it, and that both the link and the snark were intentionally chosen.
Hey retard -- you still haven't responded to this. And you haven't got muting as an excuse.
Oh that? I’ll answer if you tell me when or if you ever stopped beating your wife. And don't try to dodge the question by saying you never hit her.
Crawl back under your rock pussy.
I didn't respond because I didn't read it because I really don't care.
You cared enough to show your lack of reading comprehension, until someone pointed it out.
If only sarcs brain was as enlarged as his liver.
His head's not that big.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12174477/Supreme-Court-strikes-voting-map-discriminated-against-black-voters.html
Supreme Court in shock decision as justices vote 5-4 to strike down Republican-drawn Alabama congressional districts because they discriminated against black voters
Supreme Court went against Republicans! That means they're all leftists!
Reason Magazine's own little white knight, bravely stretching his favorite insinuation past the breaking point.
Sarc is for race based laws. Shocking.
The court ruled AGAINST racial neutral district. Alabama used algorithms that excluded racial data to create their districts. See comments by Thomas
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4040316-supreme-court-strikes-down-alabama-congressional-map-in-victory-for-voting-rights-advocates/
To sarc and other leftists race is a primary consideration. The one true libertarian has spoken.
Skin color is the most important thing
Our laws and jurisprudence around districting are amazingly cognitively dissonant.
Gerrymandering that favors Republicans is unconstitutional unless the Gerrymandering maximizes black representation, then it is required.
So does this mean the Democrats can't do race based gerrymandering too? Because this might not be the win for him sarcasmic thinks.
Robert’s is a squish. I’ll have to read the decision later to see what Kavanaugh’s reasoning was.
On its face it seems like a stupid decision, but anything to fuck with those hillbilly’s who vote Republican, eh?
FTA:
The current case stems from challenges to Alabama's seven-district congressional map, which included one district in which black voters form a large enough majority that they have the power to elect their preferred candidate.
The challengers said that one district is not enough, pointing out that overall, Alabama's population is more than 25 percent black.
A three-judge court, with two appointees of former President Donald Trump, had little trouble concluding that the plan likely violated the Voting Rights Act by diluting the votes of Black Alabamians. The panel ordered a new map drawn.
Nowhere in your response does it describe Kavanaugh reasoning retard.
Not shocked you don't care what the arguments are, just the result.
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I’m sure you can agree that the idea of “diluting the votes” of anybody is patently absurd. Especially so when you base that on skin color.
Kavanaugh proclaimed the CRA measured both untent and effect. So not getting a racially biased outcome based on skin color violated the CRA. It undoes the past snipping at the CRA. distracting.
On the first score, Kavanaugh argued that the VRA requires a test of effect, not just intent.
Thomas correctly pointed out Kavanaugh was wrong
“Alabama to intentionally redraw its longstanding congressional districts so that black voters can control a number of seats roughly proportional to the black share of the State’s population. Section 2 demands no such thing, and, if it did, the Constitution would not permit it.”
Basically Kavanaugh just opened up lawsuits to any marginal representation losses based on population factors. Race based districting.
Gaetz better have an answer when my gas stove is banned.
Just as soon as they ban free speech.
“Democrats’ Gaslighting, Republicans’ Temper Tantrum Endanger America’s Gas Stoves”
Yes Democrats are gaslighting you, but Rethuglican’s are mad about the spending deal, so BOTH SIDES!!
Boaf sides!!!
The regulation is solely being pushed by the left. They are the ones pushing it. Even passing the House would not have changed these facts.
Even passing the House would not have changed these facts.
Not only that but passing the House doesn't mean it will pass the Senate, and Biden already said he would veto it anyway, so why does anyone care? This bill wasn't going to become a law anyway so they lose nothing. Sure, you can say it's petty and kind of stupid but so is this article.
Odd that all of a sudden the democrats want to ban gas appliances.
Was it because of Gov. Hochul's attempt to mandate the end of gas stoves or did the idea originate from within the White House? Then floated through Hochul.
Whatever the origin, it's plain that the neo-liberals who now control the White House, the Senate and nearly all colleges and universities have another scheme cooked up that will cause a great deal of harm.
Of all the ignorant, stupid ideas floated by liberals, this is nearly as bad as woke identity politics.
The Freedom Caucus does seem to be cutting off its nose to spite its face here, to the accomplishment of nothing.
The legislation would be killed in the Senate regardless. They are doing this with something that had no chance of passing regardless.
^This^
It's just a symbolic show of force with a bill that wasn't going to become law anyway. If you want to call out the pettiness of symbolic shows of force like this in general, be my guest, but this whole story is a big fat nothingburger (cooked on a gas stove).
So, this just reaffirms that we are paying grownups to play childish games on our dime ?
Maybe I'm missing something here, but since Biden already said he was going to veto the bill what, exactly, do they lose by tanking them? Granted, they don't really gain anything other than a symbolic demonstration of their power to fuck things up either so it's pretty much a pointless gesture but really, who gives a shit?
Reason argued the debt ceiling agreement was deficient. This was Republicans from the FC saying the same thing. So even when they agree with Reason, blame Republicans.
Did they pounce again?
So you essentially let the Democrats “off the hook” as a lost cause because the Republicans had a temper tantrum and stopped a bill that wasn’t going to pass the Senate anyway? I understand you wanted the House to pass a bill to protect gas stoves against Federal regulatory attack, but the issues of out-of-control Federal debt and dictatorial strong-arming by the Speaker of the House are far more important. It doesn’t bother me at all that McCarthy has failed to control his own caucus if they can prevent him, even temporarily, from betraying the People and caving in on big-spending government. Only a quasi-libertarian who still hasn’t gotten the message that the GOP is not our friend and that it is not in ANY way preferable to the Democrats in Congress could write such a wishy-washy article like this one.
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In no way does the Administration actually have to ban gas appliances. They can make them effectively obsolete by shutting down the production of natural gas...which they are steadily making incursions upon already
They don't like gas stoves, what's next? They going to go after gas barbeques? I hook a propane tank to an outdoor burner to cook on my patio, that off the table? How far down this road do they think they can actually go? It's symbolism with no substance. It will do nothing to "save the planet" or "reduce emissions" as long as 1/3 of the world's population is banging away at coal fired power plants 24/7/365.
I don’t like democrats. So let’s get rid of them instead.
Replace coal with Democrats. Once that runs its course, problem solved.
I disagree. I think that organ harvesting will yield greater economic gains. With every democrat having full re oval of organs, bone marrow, etc.. I suppose we could use the husk in place of coal though.
So it can be both!
They deny they want to ban something...right up until they ban it.
New York State just enacted a ban on natural gas connections for any new homes starting in 2025, not just for cooking, but heating also.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-york-state-bans-natural-gas-some-new-construction-2023-05-03/
"The provisions will require new buildings to be constructed with only electric hookups for appliances and utilities beginning in 2025. The law will go into effect for buildings with fewer than seven stories beginning in 2026. The requirements will kick in for taller buildings by 2029, according to the New York Times."
But you are still free to buy a gas stove, so no state over-reach, right?
Umm, not if your house is constructed later than two years from now.
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For all his faults, former President Donald Trump was a sterling defender of appliance freedom. His administration's deregulatory drive tried to restore Americans' rights to buy dishwashers that clean dishes and showerheads that gush like waterfalls.
I mean, he was doing it by fiat which had no long-term security to prevent it from being immediately undone - but yea, I guess if you want to call that "sterling defense..." It's not like words mean anything anymore anyway.
"Today, we took down the rule because we're frustrated at the way this place is operating,"
Yea, it's like that time I was frustrated with my HOA, so I smashed all my windows. That'll show 'em.
Derp.
And there is EXACTLY what is wrong with the system.
Legislation doesn't grant Liberty (Government).
The People's Law over their Government (The Supreme Law - US Constitution) does.
And that is EXACTLY why one is far harder to change than the other.
When the USA actually use to exist before getting conquered by treasonous politicians who don't think there is any people's law over them what-so-ever.
As completely demonstrated by their very attempt at "banning" gas stoves nationally. THAT IS FORBIDDEN legislation by THE PEOPLES LAW over them. The people never granted the national union government authority for appliance "banning".
I am building a coal fired oven as a backup when my gas stove is banned
So, while Democrats pursued the ban, Republicans didn't make a futile gesture opposing it, which makes them equally guilty?
This is Olympic level bothsiderism.
People who use terms like "temper tantrum" to describe a vote with which they disagree have no credibility.
This is also true of people who append "phobia" to every idea. Homophobia, transphobia, phobia phobia. I do not take seriously anyone who misuses phobia that way. Anyone who does should go fuck him/herself.
Imagine throwing a temper tantrum because the federal government is a mere 32 trillion dollars in debt, and wants to increase it slightly to 36 trillion (for now)!
I've been watching flipping shows on HGTV for the past 10 years. Not once has someone remodeled a home and said they wanted an electric stove.
What about fat, drunk, and stupid (asking for a friend)?
Fat, drunk, and stupid--no. Fat, drunk, stupid, and trans--hell yeah!
How about fat, sea lioning, and stupid? Asking for Jeffy.
Just pouncing all the way down.