Appeals Court Dismisses Lawsuit Accusing Twitter of Sex Trafficking
Plus: Connecticut may exonerate witches, federal regulators are waging a quiet war on crypto, and more...
Twitter prevails in sex trafficking case. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit has dismissed a lawsuit that accused Twitter of participating in a sex trafficking venture. The suit—which invoked the controversial 2018 Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act (FOSTA)—represented an important test case for how expansively FOSTA would be interpreted.
The case was brought by two John Does and the group formerly known as Morality in Media, a conservative activist group that now goes by the National Center on Sexual Exploitation (NCOSE). At the crux of the case are sexually oriented videos that the Does took of themselves when they were young teens. The teens shared these videos, via Snapchat, with an adult posing as a teenager. This person did not keep them private and they wound up circulating online.
Years later, someone tweeted links to a compilation of these videos that was hosted on another website. Twitter eventually removed the tweets linking to the video (though it took a little more than a week after one Doe first reported them and a nudge from someone at the Department of Homeland Security, according to the NCOSE complaint).
I wrote about this case in detail back in 2021, noting that it relied on a novel theory of what constitutes sex trafficking and what constitutes participating in a sex trafficking venture:
Traditionally, the crime of sex trafficking must involve "commercial sex acts"—a.k.a. prostitution—and there must be minors involved or an element of force, threatened force, fraud, or coercion. In short, someone must pay someone else (or give them something of value) in a quid pro quo that involves an attempted or completed nonconsensual sex act.
In the case against Twitter, the plaintiffs suggest that soliciting a sex video from someone under age 18 amounts to sex trafficking. Unwittingly providing a platform for a third party to post or link to that video makes one part of a sex trafficking enterprise, they argue. Thus, Twitter is allegedly guilty of participating in a sex trafficking venture by temporarily and unknowingly hosting links to a pornographic video featuring two teenagers.
It's not that nothing wrong or exploitative happened here—of course it did. But the proper locus of legal liability is with the adult who allegedly extorted sexual videos from minors, with whoever posted it online, and, possibly, with the website that hosted this content, if it did so knowingly.
Instead, NCOSE targeted Twitter—part of a larger effort to hold social media platforms and other online entities that trade in user-generated content liable for "sex trafficking" in an increasingly broad array of circumstances.
FOSTA is a big part of this effort because it says Section 230—a law protecting web platforms and users from some liability for third-party speech—doesn't apply when sex trafficking is involved. "Due largely to FOSTA, civil sex trafficking claims can now be brought against online platforms that had no direct involvement with the sex trafficking venture or the victims," as First Amendment attorney Lawrence Walters, head of the Walters Law Group, told me back in 2021.
Twitter argued that FOSTA didn't apply in this case because there was no underlying sex trafficking involved. Under federal law, the offense of sex trafficking generally requires a guilty party to take action against a person (or benefit from participation in a venture that does so) while knowing or acting "in reckless disregard of the fact" that force, threats of force, fraud, or coercion "will be used to cause the person to engage in a commercial sex act, or that the person has not attained the age of 18 years and will be caused to engage in a commercial sex act."
Judge Joseph C. Spero with the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California largely sided with Twitter, "rejecting all but [the Does'] claims of unlawful profiting from a sex trafficking venture," according to Courthouse News Service.
The Does then appealed to the 9th Circuit, arguing that the District Court erred in dismissing their claims that Twitter directly violated the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act (TVPRA) and that Twitter is liable under the TVPRA because it benefited from third-party sex trafficking activities that it facilitated.
In an unsigned decision on May 3, the 9th Circuit not only affirmed the lower court's dismissal of those two counts but also reversed its denial of a dismissal of another count alleged by the Does.
Two of the questions Twitter raised in its appeal involved whether FOSTA's immunity carve-out to Section 230 requires an underlying violation of federal sex trafficking law (Section 1591) and how to interpret that law's section on "participation in a venture," which requires a party have a "continuous business relationship" with sex traffickers in order to be liable.
The 9th Circuit addressed both these questions in another case, Jane Does 1–6 v. Reddit, Inc., in which it found Reddit not guilty of sex trafficking in similar circumstances to this case.
In the Reddit case, the 9th Circuit held that "for a plaintiff to invoke FOSTA's immunity exception, she must plausibly allege that the website's own conduct violated section 1591." It also held that "in a sex trafficking beneficiary suit against a defendant-website, the most important component is the defendant website's own conduct—its 'participation in the venture'" and "a complaint against a website that merely alleges trafficking by the website's users—without the participation of the website—would not survive."
"Accordingly, establishing criminal liability requires that a defendant knowingly benefit from knowingly participating in child sex trafficking," the 9th Circuit held in the Reddit case.
"Reddit therefore requires a more active degree of 'participation in the venture' than a 'continuous business relationship' between a platform and its users," noted the 9th Circuit in its Twitter decision.
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Connecticut may posthumously exonerate people executed as witches in the 1600s. "The early colonies of Connecticut and New Haven indicted at least thirty-four women and men for the alleged crime of witchcraft and convicted twelve of them, executing eleven, and it is now accepted by the historical profession and society as a whole that all the accused were innocent of such charges," notes a resolution before the state's legislature. The measure would resolve "that all of the formally convicted and executed are exonerated of all alleged crimes relating to the charges of witchcraft," proclaiming "the innocence of the following convicted and executed people: Alice Young in 1647, Mary Johnson in 1648, Joan Carrington in 1651, John Carrington in 1651, Goodwife Bassett in 1651, Goodwife Knapp in 1653, Lydia Gilbert in 1654, Mary Sanford in 1662, Nathaniel Greensmith in 1663, Rebecca Greensmith in 1663, and Mary Barnes in 1663; and one Elizabeth Seager convicted and reprieved in 1665."
"The bill is part of a microtrend of late: Nearly 400 years after their infamous witch trials, New England states have been introducing and passing legislation to exonerate those who were convicted," pointed out Kaleigh Rogers at FiveThirtyEight. This includes a measure in Massachusetts last year and one pending in New Hampshire.
"Connecticut's bill was largely the product of a campaign by a group of historians and descendants of convicted witches seeking closure," reported Rogers. But there are other motivations as well:
Connecticut state Sen. Saud Anwar, who co-sponsored the bill, said the main motivation was to acknowledge the injustice of the state's puritanical (literally) witch hunts. But he said that this kind of stance also communicates that the state supports women at a time when women's rights face renewed threats. "It's no secret that what happened 300-plus years ago was because the women were women and they were being targeted," Anwar said. "When men are in control … they use their means to try and take away the rights of women. It was prevalent then. It remains prevalent now."
Anwar pointed out that many of the accused were targeted for being "independent women." State Rep. Jane Garibay said in a hearing that some of the accused were women who simply dressed differently or were "too assertive" and that the bill was "not about witchcraft. This is about women's rights and justice." In this sense, the bill is not only a symbolic gesture to right the wrongs of the past, but also a way for the (largely) Democratic lawmakers supporting it to signal their feminist bona fides without having to pass any actual new laws.
That last part has some people critical of such efforts. They argue—and I'm inclined to agree—that lawmakers shouldn't be wasting time on symbolic gestures like these.
"If it's just some flowery, nice thing to do that has no substantive meaning…we shouldn't be doing bills like that," Connecticut state Rep. Doug Dubitsky (R–Chaplin) told FiveThirtyEight. "We should do bills that have substance. We have too much work to do."
It's also a bit perverse to focus on injustices driven by centuries-old cultural hysteria while ignoring people still very much alive and suffering from modern moral panics, like the wars on drugs and sex work.
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How federal regulators are trying to quietly kill cryptocurrency. In New York magazine, Jen Wieczner takes a detailed look at how regulators are undermining crypto companies and innovation. Rather than outright bans, they're more quietly thwarting cryptocurrency companies with impossible requirements and an array of byzantine rules:
The crypto company was essentially reverse-engineered for Washington, D.C.'s stamp of approval. Protego Trust, founded by a lawyer turned venture capitalist, was betting big that it could be the squeaky-clean, bona fide bank that crypto needed to win Wall Street's business. It had spent $80 million pursuing a coveted approval for a national trust charter, winning conditional approval in 2021. It then raised more than $100 million — at a reported $2 billion valuation — from big crypto companies, including Coinbase (as well as now-bankrupt FTX), among other investors. Its board included a former Fortune 500 CEO and even the onetime head of the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the country's chief bank regulator.
"We courted regulation. We did everything that was required in order to build a pristine financial institution to serve the most discerning institutional clients," says Protego founder Greg Gilman. Protego planned to work exclusively with professional investing firms (no individual retail traders), providing safekeeping (what's known as "custody" in the crypto industry) along with trading and lending.
But when Protego told the OCC in February that it had completed all of the agency's requirements for full approval, its application was denied on a technicality — one that the OCC had never mentioned before, according to a person familiar with the situation.
"In the end, it feels like there was an unannounced and unexplained policy change that derailed our efforts," says Gilman, who declined to comment on the specifics. Protego subsequently laid off the majority of its staff, and the company's future is uncertain.
In the crypto industry, the experience of Protego and that of many others like it has led to an almost universal conviction that financial regulators are purposefully trying to put them out of business — not by barring them explicitly but rather through the recent appearance of a web of policies, both written and unwritten, that together make it unfeasible or impossible for crypto firms to operate in the U.S. "It feels coordinated. It feels like a carpet-bombing," says Kristin Smith, CEO of the Blockchain Association. "And there's a certain realization that we have to fight back."
More here.
Katie Haun, a former federal prosecutor who now runs a Silicon Valley venture capital firm, told New York that the situation was akin to Operation Choke Point, an Obama-era program used to cripple legal businesses by cutting off their access to banks and financial services. Some crypto industry folks are calling it "Operation Choke Point 2.0," she told the magazine, noting that this go-around the program is both more public and "broader in scope."
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Connecticut may posthumously exonerate people executed as witches in the 1600s.
We now consider them the trans people of color of their time.
Just jumping on the “soft on crime “ bandwagon.
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The difference with the Salem Puritans is that they quickly realized that they’d been siezed by madness, and apologized to the victims relatives and survivors, compensated them monetarily and tried to make amends. (The Puritan courts also reversed the guilty findings and exonerated the accused which makes Connecticut’s current decision weird)
The Woke would never-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever do that.
To add some nuance to your comment. I think the more entrenched likely never realized they’d been seized by madness. Those that went along (the enablers, the conformers, the mob) did and corrected. I’m hopeful that the same thing is happening to wokeness today. I think Trump was a sign of the population shift of realizing this is getting crazy. As the normies leave the movement it gets ever more extreme and zealous, but also weaker.
Trump’s fans are not particularly skilled at discerning craziness.
Mike, your candidate picked a fight with a cartoon frog and lost.
“I think the more entrenched likely never realized they’d been seized by madness.”
Some did.
“Repentance was evident within the Salem Village church. Rev. Joseph Green and the members of the church voted on February 14, 1703, after nearly two months of consideration, to reverse the excommunication of Martha Corey.[119] On August 25, 1706, when Ann Putnam Jr., one of the most active accusers, joined the Salem Village church, she publicly asked forgiveness. She claimed that she had not acted out of malice, but had been deluded by Satan into denouncing innocent people, mentioning Rebecca Nurse, in particular”
Shit, they not only would never do that, they’d employ the same passive-voiced “we all did things that we regret, let’s move on and work to find solutions” argument they always do when they fuck up.
“same passive-voiced “we all did things that we regret, let’s move on and work to find solutions” argument”
Sounds a lot like the “both sides” argument certain commentators (and writers) on this site like to use. Must be a coincidence.
Ackshuyally, the ones who did the testimony were probably afflicted with Ergotism from spoiled bread. This and other hallucinogens could probably account for a lot of visions and ”charismatic,” “enthusiastic”, bizarre behavior from religionists.
Now explain Mao’s cultural revolution. Was it bad rice?
Great news for the Proud Boys 400 years from now
The REAL question is about how we calculate the reparations for the victims….
Based on their number of cats?
It’s also a bit perverse to focus on injustices driven by centuries-old cultural hysteria while ignoring people still very much alive and suffering from modern moral panics, like the wars on drugs and sex work.
It’s all about reparations. Official apologies and exonerations for 400 year-old accusations of witchcraft sets the stage for apologies and exonerations for other 400 year-old mistakes.
It’s actually redundant because the Puritan courts already did that 300 years ago.
“On December 17, 1696, the General Court ruled that there would be a fast day on January 14, 1697, “referring to the late Tragedy, raised among us by Satan and his Instruments.”[111] On that day, Samuel Sewall asked Rev. Samuel Willard to read aloud his apology to the congregation of Boston’s South Church, “to take the Blame & Shame” of the “late Commission of Oyer & Terminer at Salem”.[112] Thomas Fiske and eleven other trial jurors also asked forgiveness.[113]
Expressing regret over the actions taken, Hale admitted, “Such was the darkness of that day, the tortures and lamentations of the afflicted, and the power of former presidents, that we walked in the clouds, and could not see our way.”[114]
Various petitions were filed between 1700 and 1703 with the Massachusetts government, demanding that the convictions be formally reversed. Those tried and found guilty were considered dead in the eyes of the law, and with convictions still on the books, those not executed were vulnerable to further accusations. The General Court initially reversed the attainder only for those who had filed petitions,[115] only three people who had been convicted but not executed: Abigail Faulkner Sr., Elizabeth Proctor and Sarah Wardwell.[116][full citation needed] In 1703, another petition was filed,[117] requesting a more equitable settlement for those wrongly accused, but it was not until 1709, when the General Court received a further request, that it took action on this proposal. In May 1709, 22 people who had been convicted of witchcraft, or whose relatives had been convicted of witchcraft, presented the government with a petition in which they demanded both a reversal of attainder and compensation for financial losses.[118]
Repentance was evident within the Salem Village church. Rev. Joseph Green and the members of the church voted on February 14, 1703, after nearly two months of consideration, to reverse the excommunication of Martha Corey.[119] On August 25, 1706, when Ann Putnam Jr., one of the most active accusers, joined the Salem Village church, she publicly asked forgiveness. She claimed that she had not acted out of malice, but had been deluded by Satan into denouncing innocent people, mentioning Rebecca Nurse, in particular,[120] and was accepted for full membership.
On October 17, 1711, the General Court passed a bill reversing the judgment against the twenty-two people listed in the 1709 petition (there were seven additional people who had been convicted but had not signed the petition, but there was no reversal of attainder for them). Two months later, on December 17, 1711, Governor Joseph Dudley authorized monetary compensation to the 22 people in the 1709 petition. The amount of £578 12s was authorized to be divided among the survivors and relatives of those accused, and most of the accounts were settled within a year,[121] but Phillip English’s extensive claims were not settled until 1718.[122] Finally, on March 6, 1712, Rev. Nicholas Noyes and members of the Salem church reversed Noyes’ earlier excommunications of Rebecca Nurse and Giles Corey.[123]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials#Reversals_of_attainder_and_compensation_to_the_survivors
It is interesting that they talk about being under the spell of Satan. There is a pretty strongly supported theory that the people of Salem were suffering from ergotism- poisoning by the ergot fungus that can grow on Rye (this is why you should turn your rye into whiskey instead of bread).
The fact that a few years later, many of the people were basically saying, “I don’t know what came over me, I’m so sorry” is consistent with ergotism which can cause hallucinations, paranoia, temporary blindness and other problems- and which can pass in a few months or a year as your body processes through the toxins.
I suppose that’s possible, but it’s more likely it was just another social contagion, similar to the Satanic panic or arguing that not letting doctors cut off kids’ genitals is trans genocide.
Or both. There is some interesting correlation of various witchcraft scares and wet years/bad harvests. The effects of ergotism could well be what got the ball rolling. In a pre-scientific age, witchcraft is as good an explanation for weird sensations and hallucinations as anything. I’m sure it helps to have some actual examples of the results of witchcraft to point to.
I see you beat me to it, but what matters is that the truth be out.
You are very wry about the Rye. 🙂
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It’s also a bit perverse to focus on injustices driven by centuries-old cultural hysteria while ignoring people still very much alive and suffering from modern moral panics, like the wars on drugs and sex work.
So group exoneration, followed by witches’ gatherings, gangbangs, and pot parties! 🙂
The government of Connecticut has no pressing issues to deal with right now, seemingly.
“Anwar said. “When men are in control … they use their means to try and take away the rights of women. It was prevalent then. It remains prevalent now.””
Ummm, weren’t the witch trials a bunch of girls accusing other females of being witches?
Pretty sure some men were involved, considering women weren’t allowed to be a part of the clergy nor the judiciary.
Cite?
Before Salem most people accused of being witches were men.
You bigot.
STOP FUCKING WITH THE NARRATIVE!
Will Connecticut be paying reparations?
How federal regulators are trying to quietly kill cryptocurrency.
This sounds to me like a conspiracy theory.
Need to wait for facts to change.
With current trends, that will take about two weeks.
They don’t want to crowd the market when they release their CBDC.
exactly this. They dont want the competition.
https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1654470791323426816?t=OeZVGAgq-Pq1E7FWZ_gp3A&s=19
The Nashville trans killer was a prolific writer. Police seized 20 journals, 5 laptops, a suicide note, yearbooks, cellphones, and various notes from the trans activist but refuse to release them publicly – why? What are they hiding?
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The script to a billion dollar movie idea.
It contains the mathematical proof 2+2=5.
Trannie killer, qu’est-ce que c’est?
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We are vain and we are blind
I hate people when they’re not polite
Don’t quit your fifty cent day job just yet.
Don’t forget that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Hunter’s other dick pics?
Based on the picture of their desk, I would wager that at least some of those journals/laptops had some Lion King “fan fiction” in them. Maybe it’ll be alright if those are lost to time.
Are you saying simba was groomed and trans?
Although scar as trans makes a weird bit of sense.
I’m guessing it has proof that links her to a three letter agency that was radicalizing her.
^This
Emails from her FBI handler telling her how important shooting up a school would be for the cause.
The more I read about this the more I’m certain this is the case.
The feds were behind this terrorist attack, like many of them before this.
Loneliness is an “epidemic,” the U.S. surgeon general says.
And we’re going to need to lock down for the next two and a half years to flatten the curve.
Significantly more career obsessed, lonely spinster cat ladies who dont need no man.
The real winners? MSNBC and box wine distributors.
“career obsessed”, “lonely spinster cat ladies”
Pretty sure you just mixed two incompatible stereotypes together there.
One is a road to the other.
Career obsessed is more road to eventually becoming department vice president, buying nicer wine, season tickets to stuff.
Then before they know it, they find out they don’t have any eggs left.
Yes. Followed by a retirement party, where everyone wishes her luck, but is grateful she’s finally moving on so the ladder-climbing vultures can have her position. Then maybe she does a bit of travel, but at the end of the day she comes home to an empty apartment. Needing some life in her home, she gets a few cats.
The season tickets and all the nice wine in the world won’t stop her from dying alone and forgotten in her up-scale apartment, like the rest of the lonely spinster ladies who don’t need no man.
But then a surprising thing happens. There’s a knock on her door. It’s the quirky girl from down the street wanting to know if she has seen her pet gopher who escaped its cage. The retiree decides to help her search for her lost pet, and hilarious, heartwarming adventures ensue.
Spoiler: Bill Murray resurrects his character from Caddyshack in a side-splitting cameo.
If we don’t quarantine, how will we stop the spread?
From mandatory 6 feet apart to mandatory 6 inches apart.
But they never support legalized sex work as a solution.
Jeff’s wildest dreams almost come true.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-black-bear-surprises-principal-after-jumping-out-of-school-garbage-container
Practically a trunk.
Now he can wave the article around shouting “See! See! Who’s stupid now, Huh?”
Garbage containers are just trunks for trash. Change my mind.
Actual libertarian site discusses how the defamation lawsuits against Alex Jones and Fox are just 2 more instances in the war against free speech and ideas.
https://mises.org/wire/dominion-lawsuit-against-fox-news-part-war-against-free-speech
Ugh, mises. I’ve been assured anything even associated with that name is racist and neo-confederate.
Fair.
…in a case that saw Sheeran accused of ripping off Marvin Gaye’s “Let’s Get It On.”
Pretty sure Gaye’s estate lost that battle when the song was used in an Applebee’s commercial.
Canadian CBC threatens Twitter and others of new rules, regulations, and telling daddy Trudeau if they don’t remove information they disagree with.
https://twitter.com/RebelNewsOnline/status/1653915918882287616
Fuck Canada.
mUh pRIvaTe cOmPaNY!!
Vox article defends the gender binary and comes out against abortion… for chicken eggs.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/chris-queen/2023/05/04/vox-report-on-egg-industry-practices-flies-in-the-face-of-the-lefts-abortion-and-gender-rhetoric-n1692692
Teachers union ramps up fight against capitalism.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/colorado-teachers-union-passes-resolution-declaring-capitalism-inherently-exploits-children-public-schools
The union went full Marxist. Never go full Marxist.
at least they aren’t hiding it. BLM came out and admitted they are trained marxists, teachers union might as well too
They’re just following in the footsteps of the Chicago Teachers Union. They’ve already come out as Marxist a while ago and even got one of theirs, a Marxist, elected mayor.
That might work in Boulder, and even Denver. Probably not across the rest of Colorado, at least without some serious election fortification.
I assume these Marxists cunts will quit working for the Man, and form an education commune, where they will pool their kids and take turns “teaching” them between bouts of protest singing and sandwich making.
Not that kind of Marxist.
The kind with the re-education camps and the five year plans.
I would say that they finally let the mask slip except it’s been obvious they were bolsheviks all along.
Oh, there’s more:
A former federal official sent a screenshot of the resolution to an outlet called The Lion, who obtained the document first. The resolution was introduced by Bryan Lindstrom, a college history teacher who retweeted a comment that said that the resolution “allows CEA members to publicly advocate and lobby for anti-capitalist policies at the CO Capitol.”
I know exactly who this marxist fuckhead is, because we’re from the same city. He’s been a perpetual candidate for the Aurora City Council and is a typical buzzword-spouting leftist bobblehead.
Sounds like school boards in Douglas County and other red school districts are basically going to have to tell their teachers that they can choose to promote marxism, or anti-marxism, but any school that implements the CEA’s agenda to do the former is going to have their superintendent fired, along with any teachers who do the same, and that teachers resumes will be screened to weed out marxists. That might be enough to actually start the obliteration of public schools in the state.
I have no problem with a private association of people publicly declaring that they believe in witchcraft. And let’s be clear- if you endorse this claptrap, you are no different than a teacher who publicly endorses witchcraft or intelligent design. You are fully welcome do make these statements.
But the State of Colorado is under no requirement to hire people who harbor these delusions. These are people vying to become agents of the state- public employees- pushing a State Endorsed Doctrine on children. Those children are, for all intents and purposes, drafted into these indoctrination programs unless their parents can scrape together the means to divert them to an alternative program. And so, we should take their protected speech for what it is: a promise from these people to abuse their position to teach children a hokey myth that has contributed in the past to the death of tens of millions of people.
I am glad that these teachers have clearly stated what they have previously hidden behind racial dogwhistles and queer nuttery. The state of Colorado, and Reason’s Official Dreamiest in Chief, Polis should take this as a confession that they are unfit for their jobs, and eliminate their positions immediately.
The only thing worse than the non-education these teachers foisted on kids over the last 3 years is the mis-education that they are promising to deliver next. We should take them at their word, and kick them to the curb.
But the State of Colorado is under no requirement to hire people who harbor these delusions.
They’re not, but these are the people who run the state now. So it’s going to be up to the red counties and school districts to refuse to go along.
Leftism gets most of its actual power from compelling participation, using emotionally charged words like “unity” and “community” that are really just euphemisms for getting people to voluntarily submit to their authority. Most leftism isn’t imposed at the point of a gun, it happens because it implements structures designed to exclude people who don’t participate and make their lives extremely difficult to simply go about their day-to-day responsibilities.
However, their systems are dependent on getting EVERYONE to participate, and that’s their Achilles heel. You don’t even need a majority to cause them to fall apart, but it does rely on enough of them who are willing to suffer the slings and arrows and be very, very stubborn in the face of intensive social and political pressure. That means these school districts who aren’t on board with this are going to have to tell the union and the state, “Any teachers who are CEA members will not be hired until this resolution is eliminated,” weed out superintendents and teachers who support it, and be willing to go through a period where getting new hires is very difficult, to the point that community schooling will have to be employed. But if enough of these districts do that, and don’t back down to the Denver media and state legislature’s retaliatory measures, it will eventually end.
Isn’t the CEA a pubsec union?
Yes. Why do you ask?
I think I was just confused by your first paragraph, but after reading it again, I think I know what you were saying.
I wonder what stories Reason didn’t cover, and what accusations will be made against them for deliberately ignoring super-duper-incredible-important-events.
Ideas!
You trying to join the retard club?
I heard you took the last open spot.
I’ll take that as a yes.
That’s just what a retard would say.
“you took the last open spot.”
Took the spot? Sarcasmic’s the president.
When he asked if Spiritus Mundi was joining the retard club, it was a recruitment pitch.
Poor sarc.
So many ideas.
So glad we have such depth of thought and discussions from the one true libertarian here.
HE TOOK A TEST!
He is one of the people who pay 20 dollars for the online IQ test that says he scored 120.
How much for a 140 score?
Another $140. Then $20 for 10 point increments.
Three retards have joined the fray. Only one to go. Make that four with one to go. The club got a new member today.
Poor sarc.
Imagine being obviously the dumbest person here, whether left or right, by a long shot, and still having the gall to call other people retards.
He is level 2 tech support and listens to neocon books on tape. He wins.
Oh hell no. L1 at best.
Hey Sarcasmic. Your trolling worked. Happy?
Well, on Twitter the top trending political story is the Arizona Supreme Court’s fining Kari Lake’s lawyers:
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2023/05/04/ariz-supreme-court-hits-lake-attorney-with-sanctions-on-election-suit/70177506007/
Aside: As I’ve pointed out before, Twitter’s top trending topics are typically about sports. Unlike us freaks who hang out here, most people are not obsessed with politics.
So, Reason would probably get a lot more eyeballs if KMW would just let Matt and Nick turn it into a baseball nostalgia magazine.
Maybe 2% of the population posts loudly on Twitter, and most of them are nutters like Nardz. I don’t know why anyone pays any attention to it.
It’s amazing how you and Sarcasmic are okay with that, but still show up each day, calling yourselves libertarians.
Sanctioning lawyers for not fully supporting the government narrative helps others thinking of doing so from stepping forward. Totally libertarian.
Question government in court. Sanctioms. Question them in public. Defamatiom. Authoritarians are starting to get jealous of how effective these actions are.
In his link it says they’re being sanctioned because they keep claiming 35000 ballots were added in Maricopa without proof. Didn’t Maricopa itself contact the SoS about the counts being wrong?
Yes, but there is no proof if the court refuses to review it.
“Where’s your proof?”
“Here!”
“I’m not going to look at any of that… so where’s your proof?”
“Here!”
“I warned you that I’m not going to look at that… so you have no proof then. Maybe I should sanction you.”
Welcome to the USSA.
Yes. During trial Maricopa presented an email to Hobbs office asking where the 20k+ votes the state website added to voting roles came from.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/01/18/with-25000-mysterious-votes-and-missing-documents-maricopas-2022-election-process-marked-by-chaos-and-uncertainty/
You don’t believe in revealed vs. stated preferences?
https://twitter.com/SunnyMarmalaid/status/1654174102381264901?t=glvy4WVyEK1g9ZpnwYrYEA&s=19
Emma Vigeland on the Majority Report today says that the desire to feel safe on public transit is bourgeois and explains how one time she suppressed those bourgeois feelings when she was assaulted on the subway by a mentally ill vagrant, as everyone should
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Is it bourgeois to not want to be raped by vagrants? What about immigrants? Or is there a limit to the level of assult one must pass before it is ok to not be ok?
It’s not ok if you are attacked by a white male.
Cultural enrichment is always okay, Spiritus.
this has been the overwhelming argument of lefties since the non-stop crime post COVID/st FLoyd.
“Crime is completely fine and normal, and part of city life, and if you dont like it you are a racist / whyte supremacist / bougie bigot who cant handle the city”
Keep fucking around, blue cities.
When it gets to be too much they just pack up for places like Austin, and start the same fuckery there.
The Majority Report? Obviously Sam Seder agrees with her, otherwise she would never get a word in edgewise.
Public safety is white privilege. Social justice and racial equity demand that normies accept threats and violent acts, especially by POCs.
Note that this is totally different from the needs of campus snowflakes who have every right to be protected from mean words and ideas.
Oklahoma is moving to make paying for sex a felony crime.
Sex work conquers all.
Sex worker: hey you didnt pay for the service!!!
Client: well that would be illegal. See you next time.
Sex worker: well you got me there. Next time we do this at your house so you can pay me to leave.
All husbands to be arrested.
Economy in the shitter: Blame Biden.
US job growth beats expectations in April as economy adds 253,000 new positions
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/us-jobs-report-april-2023
Everyone needs two jobs to survive!
If Biden deserves credit for that, does he deserve blame for this?
Wall Street ends 2022 with biggest annual drop since 2008
#DefendBidenAtAllCosts
Only the sharp mind and keen intellect of Joe Biden can guide our economy.
Pluggo’s not interested in inconvenient facts.
Don’t forget the Sam’s Club Store Closings Principle you established in 2018: If a well known retailer is having trouble, it means the entire economy is in the toilet and the President gets the blame.
Well, darn it, Bed Bath & Beyond is circling the drain. Must be Biden’s fault. Must mean the entire economy sucks. 🙁
#YourRules
Everybody knows that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Quit shitting up the thread, dumbass.
Your droppings are all over the place.
Does anyone doubt that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies? It’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
The usual suspects are now dropping turds on all my posts. So fucking desperate for attention. It must kill them that I never respond.
HA HA
shrike deserves all the spite and derision he gets.
Youre literally responding right now.
if those are droppings, ever wonder why they seem to follow from an AHole of some sort? …just askin’
I think most Americans know the new position the Biden economy has put them in.
Face down, ass up?
Hey did everyone notice the other release? By that I mean the fact that the BLM revised downward the previous months’ numbers? It seems to be a pattern that the BLM announces “expectations beating” jobs reports, letting the kid-exploiters SPB and Biden do a couple victory laps, and then revise them downward after the press moves on.
Every jobs report this year “beat expectations” only to be revised below expectations later. But don’t let that stop kiddy-porn trafficking Shrike, guys.
Hey did everyone notice the other release? By that I mean the fact that the BLM revised downward the previous months’ numbers? It seems to be a pattern that the BLM announces “expectations beating” jobs reports, letting the kid-exploiters SPB and Biden do a couple victory laps, and then revise them downward after the press moves on.
That was a common tactic during the Obama years, too.
I should bookmark this so I can rub your face in it in two weeks when those numbers are revised down. Again.
The Illinois city of Danville “banned the mailing or shipping of abortion pills, defying the state’s Democratic attorney-general and the American Civil Liberties Union…”
The libertarian case for not defying the ACLU.
Yeah, I just read that and thought, “WTF is wrong with defying the ACLU?”
Don’t be fooled by Randi Weingarten’s rehabilitation tour…
Pretty sure Reason’s readers are mostly good at spotting the gaslight.
How about the editors?
They are working on a special issue in support of gas bans.
Soon, we’ll have to say “inductionlighting” instead of “gaslighting.”
It’s surprising to see abortion-until-birth advocate ENB linking to the devout Christian anti-abortion crusader David Fren-
LOL j/k! It’s not surprising at all. Koch-funded libertarians and NYT-approved “conservatives” (who really just want more wars) are natural allies. KMW used to work at Bill Kristol’s The Weekly Standard for cryin’ out loud. 🙂
#RabidWarmongersAreCoolAsLongAsTheySupportImmigration
Neocon uber allies.
Twitter prevails in sex trafficking case.
First apartheid and now this.
Contemporary emails show letter for 51 ex intelligence officials was done for the purpose of giving Joe a debate talking point. Who were the idiots who fell for this? Mike, shrike, jeff, sarc, and democrats. A bit redundancy in the list.
https://justthenews.com/videos/john-solomon-reports-former-cia-directors-email-about-hunter-biden-laptop-letter
They were doing for Biden what they accuse Russia of doing for Trump.
Which had the greater penetration in affecting an election, the Intel letter or the facebook memes some Russians paid for?
https://twitter.com/JigokuCake/status/1653775281608355841?t=8g_TKRflhRuoGXGsbF6iuA&s=19
America has fostered an environment in which insane junkies constantly harass (and occasionally assault) random people, and the general public is expected to pretend that it’s not happening.
This is the obvious outcome of that, but we’re supposed to be “shocked” when it happens.
Also worth noting that libs have been insisting no one needs a gun for self defense
If now learning jiu jitsu to defend yourself from violent junkies is also off the table because it’s potentially deadly, what’s left?
Terrorizing normal people is the entire point. They hate you
People point to the mans race because raving and threatening people on a subway is a form of “blackness”
The true definition of “blackness” is any behavior of the diseased, deranged, or mentally/spiritually sick that Leftists want normalized. “Whiteness” is just being functional
Leftists deified George Floyd because he’s the archetype of what a black man SHOULD be as an avatar of “blackness”: a drug-addicted career criminal porn star who died an early and pitiful death.
He’s their perfect vision of the revolutionary class.
Frankly, there should be a lot more street justice based on things that are happening in the US that are allowed to go on.
– Violent thugs harassing people, doing smash/grabs in stores, assaulting employees that try and stop them
– Mentally ill people repeatedly assaulting the public
– Teachers secretly grooming kids and telling them to hide it from parents
– Cops who knock at the wrong door then kill whoever is inside…or stand by while kids get murdered at Uvalde.
This late stage failing society is begging for some old west justice. People are getting fed up.
The End Times will always be just around the corner.
The End Times in terms of religious cults and climate activists, never comes
Late stage societal collapse has happened numerous times throughout history, and is well documented.
Maybe read a book some day.
And conservatives have been saying societal collapse is just around the corner for as long as I’ve been listening to people talk about politics. To them it’s there is a constant struggle between good and evil, and government force must be wielded against these forces of evil to save us from certain oblivion. People on the left see a world of oppressors and oppressed, and everything is a class struggle. Wealthy nations oppressing poor nations. Rampant inequality. All to be fixed with force of government or we’re faced with certain oblivion. Libertarians see coercion, as in force of government, as a last resort. As a result neither the right nor the left like us very much, because to them coercion is the solution to everything.
Not a leftist guys. Just uses all their narratives and talking points.
THE RAPTURE IS NIGH!
I had the misfortune of growing up as Southern Baptist. I saw pure bullshit up close.
Now they teach end of times in public school, its called ‘climate science’ and is mandatory in the curriculum
Being taught from the left, it is framed as oppressors and oppressed. Rich energy-using nations oppressing the third world. Rich capitalists oppressing the poor. What is the solution? Bring down the oppressors. Take away their income. Make them pay reparations to poor countries. Ban things that rich people (poor people in rich countries) use. If you could get over your personal animosity towards me you might see I have a very valid point.
You accuse me of hatred, yet you absolutely refuse to consider anything I say as anything other than something to be rebutted because you think I’m your political enemy and therefore an object of hatred. Look in the mirror, bub. You’ll see irony and projection staring right back at you.
You do a pretty good job of making anyone but the most ardent leftists your enemy. Even attacking when praised for non insane comments, when those unicorns do appear.
i would say that as things go you probably are their political enemy but i do admit i’ve found some of your posts quite reasonable. You’ve just been involved in creating and\or perpetuating the bad blood in the comments section here so any reasonable thing you say is drowned out by [not even historic] grievances.
On balance though, i tend to agree with the others that you are not in the least balanced in your approach to things.
Everybody knows that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
I grew up in a Christian household as well. Kept the basic morality and discarded the rest.
“Kept the basic morality”
Try telling that to your ex or your daughter.
Keying cars is gods work. Doing lines of coke is gods work. Dreaming of feeding your ex horse meat because she likes horses? Gods work. Burning customer meat because they ordered it differently than you like? God damn if it isnt gods work.
Me, too.
I was being serious though about the mental framing.
Conservatives, perhaps because many are Christian, see evil on all sides coming to destroy society. There’s always an enemy to be fought with government force.
Leftists, poisoned by envy and raised on Marxism, see a constant class struggle between oppressors and oppressed. There’s always a victim class in need of assistance with government force.
Libertarians (lower case ‘l’ not the party of the same name) would like to see a world with minimal coercion. We see markets and cooperation, not government force, as the way to a better world.
So it’s pretty obvious that both the left and the right want to attack, marginalize, mock and belittle libertarians at every opportunity, because we don’t support their core belief that all the world’s problems can be solved with violence (as long as the they are in charge).
Minimal coersion… like applauding federal takeover and coercion of banking, something you defended literally this week? Or supporting government coercion because of muh private company? Or are you talking vaccine mandates and quarantine camps?
What is really disturbing with recent trends in conservatism — and we see it here a lot — is their growing culture of victimhood, grievance and outrage.
It’s the time-honored formula for a group of people to justify committing atrocities since they are only “fighting back” against the other side, because “they started it!”
An example is when they claimed they were being censored on social media.
Lefties: “Conservatives are into these conspiracy theories that big tech is censoring or shadow banning them! What a bunch of crazy tin foil cranks!”
*Twitter files…tons of evidence of shadow banning and censorship of conservatives or anyone that questioned the govt*
Conservatives: “Ya, that is literally what we told you over and over”
Lefties: “…wow look at these poor victims!! Boohoo conservatives are so oppressed!”
What a bunch of crazy tin foil cranks!
If that was directed at me, it missed the target. I’ve always believed reports that social media has deleted posts and suspended accounts of some conservatives. Sometimes unfairly, sometimes quite deservedly.
And, you know what, it was always the social media site’s prerogative, since they are the owners of the site.
“- and we see it here a lot -“
No, you just talk about it a lot. The real “culture of victimhood, grievance and outrage” produces Audrey hale, red suv guy and hilariously, Jussie smollett.
Asshole.
Maybe read a book some day.
Here’s a book you will never consider because I recommended it, but others might.
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/161017156X/reasonmagazinea-20/
Joseph Tainter’s “The Collapse of Complex Societies” is more pertinent here.
The point is that the decline can take decades or even hundreds of years, but when the collapse actually happens, it usually takes place very quickly.
Just fucking ignore him already. I swear, it’s amazing how much effort y’all waste on the mental equivalent of arguing with a door.
I’d truly love to see the comments section without a pile of alternating grey boxes and people who were worth reading.
Maybe get out of the house once in a while, and not spend all your time compiling laundry lists of partisan grievances. There are a lot of good things happening out there in the real world, even in urban Democratic shit-hole cities.
I mean, the Roman Empire shambled on for a good long while (generations?) as it rotted and died. Just because it took a couple of centuries doesn’t mean it wasn’t dying. And it doesn’t mean there weren’t things that the Romans could have done to reverse course.
We have been far too tolerant of leftists
Terrorizing normal people is the entire point. They hate you
Been saying this for years. This is why I will never disarm. If the right was unarmed, the left would start rounding them up.
Surely. The left are evil after all. Probably the best thing to do is retreat to a compound in the woods, maybe go into town for supplies once a month.
Blue state Covid policy/rhetoric 2020-2021 says I’m right. The leftist motherfuckers wanted the defiant conservatives isolated, incarcerated, and generally removed from society. I have the screen shots from politicians and pundits.
Umm, blue state COVID-19 policies were mostly imposed on blue voters, because, you know, they occurred in blue states. Duh.
If you felt oppressed by any COVID-19 measures that were imposed on you in Idaho, those measures were imposed by red state politicians.
Typical leftist, justifying the tyranny of the majority.
I work in Washington. So yeah; politicians I cannot vote for imposed policies on me because five days per week, I drive 0.3 miles across an invisible line. Inslee imposed a state border patrol policy, but the local sheriff refused to check vax status on non-WA residents. My personal experience with red/blue Covid policies.
You remain unabashedly disingenuous.
“Typical leftist, justifying the tyranny of the majority.”
Rolling my eyes so hard. I didn’t justify anything. We are all participants in democracy, and so we are subjected to laws we don’t favor, passed by both Democrats and Republicans.
Do you realize that to just told a personal anecdote about how the tyranny of Washington state’s blue government didn’t impact you much at all?
“The true definition of “blackness” is any behavior of the diseased, deranged, or mentally/spiritually sick that Leftists want normalized. “Whiteness” is just being functional”
Among other public statements, they revealed this in the short-lived “white culture” poster published by the Smithsonian in 2020. If you have not seen that, look it up.
How about instead of going after musk, they haul up twitters tranny faggot previously responcable for online safety, you know the guy that stated he was turning a line eye toward child porn?
But that doesn’t let them go after Electric Car Man.
WHERE HERSCHEL?
Herschel Walker was a joke of a candidate. Now he may be center of a huge scandal.
Walker was never a viable candidate, and a new report shows what it would have been like had Walker won.
Herschel Walker’s candidacy for Senate in Georgia last year, when he lost to Raphael Warnock, was always a joke. Walker failed not solely because Warnock was a better candidate, but also because Walker was a first ballot buffoon, and lied with the same kind of ease he did when running over SEC defensive backs.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/mike-freeman/2023/05/05/herschel-walker-joke-candidate-campaign-scandal/70183561007/?gnt-cfr=1
It’s because he’s black, isn’t it?
It’s because he is Fatass Donnie’s hand-picked buffoon.
It’s because he’s black.
If you believe it then it must be true.
Reminder – I liked Obama. Of course he did talk and act “white”.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Remember that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
And which fatass picked Fetterman?
Voters did.
“Giant penis appears on lawn days before Coronation party at historic landmark”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pranksters-mow-giant-penis-onto-29892242
Not one word on this from tReason!
Why are lefties so focused on penises?
Anthony Weiner and Hunter Biden would like for conservatives to find some other object of affection.
Of course this topic would be right up your ass..er..alley.
Don’t forget that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Pretty sure “conservatives” have actually been focused on Hunter’s emails, but I know you really, really wish that they’d look at his peener instead.
It was obviously a leftist prank by leftist leftists, so of course leftist tReason is running cover for fellow leftists by deliberately ignoring a story that would make leftists look bad.
Die in a fire
Wow. Didn’t think anyone would take that one personally.
All that alcohol in him, I bet he is quite flammable.
You win.
Fat is flammable.
Poor sarc.
I’d prefer they cover major national news stories that would otherwise get non stop attention…
Unless the shooter was a lefty, and the people killed were little future right wingers. Then Reason doesn’t dare piss off their lefty boos, so they stay silent on it.
I bet we get 3-4 mentions minimum about st Floyd 2.0 than we do about the tranny and the mysteriously missing tranifesto (which are still at ZERO)
I never see you comment on the articles critical of the left where I sarcastically post “This article does not exist!”
I never see you criticize the left in those articles, instead attacking posters and conservatives.
Or how about, you know, the POTUS and family being involved in a scandal that dwarfs Watergate * Teapot Dome
scandal that dwarfs Watergate * Teapot Dome
PUT DURHAM ON IT !
Everybody knows that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Penis pranks are exactly the same as government censorship, two tiered justice, government corruption, etc.
So, up until yesterday, Mike Parsons has been repeatedly griping that Reason has never covered the transgender mass shooter story. Yesterday, I linked to a Reason writer’s referring to the shooting just a day after it happened. That’s why Mike has had to change his never-ending gripe to one about how many times they have mentioned the shooting.
I don’t understand what it is so danged important about seeing the manifesto. The day after the shooting, we all saw some of Audrey Hale’s crazy drawings, such as the Jack Nicholson one. We heard all about Hale’s odd behavior. Isn’t that enough to get the idea Hale was nuts, and move on.
The one interesting thing to know that could be useful, and not just grist for partisan bullshit, is to know if Hale was taking testosterone supplements, which could have made her more aggressive.
Yesterday, I linked to a Reason writer’s referring to the shooting just a day after it happened. That’s why Mike has had to change his never-ending gripe to one about how many times they have mentioned the shooting.
Like I said, he never comments on the articles where I sarcastically post “This article doesn’t exist!” Why? Well if he did then he’d have to admit that they exist.
Mike Parsons has been repeatedly griping that Reason has never COVERED the transgender mass shooter story. Yesterday, I linked to a Reason writer’s REFRERRING TO the shooting just a day after it happened.
Look at the cheap sophistry and misrepresentation these two chucklefucks are engaging in as usual. Pretending that mentioning is the same thing as actual coverage.
Stupid rhetorical tricks like this is why everyone hates you guys.
“That’s why Mike has had to change his never-ending gripe to one about how many times they have mentioned the shooting.”
I honestly hadn’t seen it, and you clearly didnt either before, as you never cited it the many times we talked about it.
Even then, the best you could come up with (and all that exists apparently) was that “a shooting happened on that day, here is a link to the NYT talking about it” despite that shooting covering some very important issues such as the mental illness we are promoting in schools with gender ideology and what it can lead to.
It was the weakest of weak sauces, and more of an own-goal proving reason desperately avoids talking about it and put it in the memory hole as fast as possible.
Accurate summary.
Your goal post was “Reason has never mentioned transgendered Audrey Hale’s shooting and killing six people at a Christian school”. Yesterday, I met your goal.
You could man up and simply admit, “I was wrong. Reason did write about it.”
That’s what I do when someone here catches me saying something that isn’t correct. And I do mess up every once in a while.
Like kids not getting genital surgery?
“Your goal post was “Reason has never mentioned transgendered Audrey Hale’s shooting and killing six people at a Christian school”. Yesterday, I met your goal.”
Well, in that case my goal definitely wasn’t met. They not only didnt mention Hale, the tranny, or the horrific murder of 6 people at a Christian school, or provide any coverage of the tragedy at all. The furthest they went was stating that “A shooting happened in Nashville”.
The equivalent coverage of something like George Floyd would have been “some police misconduct happened in Minneapolis…moving on”. But they wouldn’t dare sweep a massive culture war lefty cause under the rug.
Also, I love this about you, and Jeff as well. You can’t score any points in debate about substance, most of the time completely ignoring multiple cites that are given to you. And the only points you can come close to winning are on a typo or technicality, and try to use that to overshadow the fact that the person is correct about 99.9% of their argument, but damnit, they used the wrong modifier so you pretend you won the point.
I believe you did this with me as I use hyperbole quite a bit, and because I said “always” instead of “almost all the time” or “constant” you notched that up as winning the argument. Maybe that one was Jeff. It doesnt matter, its the same game and ive seen both of you do it.
Everyone sees what you guys try and do, and its why they all laugh when you two try to argue. Its argumentation that a high school sophomore can easily pick apart, and wouldn’t fool anyone with the slightest bit of critical thinking ability.
Its also why you guys rarely respond to cites. We dumped piles of evidence on Jeffy about CRT, and he would ignore it every time, coming back the next day asking for the same cites, claiming he still never saw any evidence and it didnt exist. You have done the same here numerous times.
We all see you, brother Mike.
They not only didnt mention Hale
Reading comprehension: in “mentioned transgendered Audrey Hale’s shooting”, the object of the verb “mention” is “shooting”, not “Audrey Hale’s”, which is an adjective modifying “shooting”.
Well, in that case my goal definitely wasn’t met. They not only didnt mention Hale, the tranny, or the horrific murder of 6 people at a Christian school, or provide any coverage of the tragedy at all. The furthest they went was stating that “A shooting happened in Nashville”.
Umm, no. Are you incapable of following links? You click on them.
Also, Doherty went on to say much more, writing an entire post about gun control policy that referenced the shooting as an example.
You have done the same here numerous times.
Link to an example please.
As for chemjeff and discussions about CRT, you’ll have to take it up with him. I don’t agree with his comments on CRT.
Link to an example please.
“Doesn’t matter if it’s provided or not, I’ll ignore it and then come back later on when the threads have been buried and pretend it never happened.”
Pretty much. Mike is a joke.
I have no godsdamned clue what Lauren said, because I follow my own advice and mute the mentally malignant. It’s not even that he’s mentally infirm, it’s that he actively argues in bad faith. He’s an absolute mendacious cunt. The universe would be a significantly better place without him in it.
Lauren, you should, at the very least, stop shitting up this place. At the worst, you should go purchase some long (36″+) zip ties and use them to collapse your carotid arteries and execute yourself. You’re a fucking cancer. Chemo yourself for the betterment of the species.
Lol. Mike is not interested in seeing the tranny manifesto? What a surprise!
It’s probably just full of “conservative victimhood narrative”, eh mike?
Idiot.
Poor white Mike.
That’s nice.
People have legitimate criticisms about stories and news that are happening in the US, with links and detailed posts sometimes, not being covered in any libertarian fashion (if they’re mentioned at all), and all you can do is mock them.
It’s a complete mystery why people here give you shit.
David French, because yeglasis is waaaaaaaayyyyyyy to intellectual for enb
Why not a French-Yglesias sandwich?
Or, that’s right, ENB doesn’t do sandwiches.
Yglesias beefcake French dip? While the beard watches and sobs quietly?
Uhoh Danville pissed off a supporter of a arco tyany, and the American curtailing liberties union.
Good old reason: the more localized the power the better… Unless the locals are conservative, then external powers need to after them
“Connecticut’s bill was largely the product of a campaign by a group of historians and descendants of convicted witches seeking closure,” reported Rogers.
Closure? This has been bugging you your whole life, then? The fact that literally everyone uses the term “Witch-hunt” to describe a victimizing process and we all realize there’s no real witches, and yet you need closure on this issue through posthumous clemency?
What a bunch of babies.
Now the Puritans are going after trannies. The costumes have changed. The mentality is the same.
The Puritans are those with the trannies this time. We just call them “Woke” and “Progressive” today.
Yeah, they’re the ones passing laws and invoking God. Sure, buddy.
If you haven’t noticed, they’re the ones pushing unscientific creationist-style beliefs regarding sex and gender.
Which makes them the witches!
Show me where they’re being put into stocks or tossed in water to see with they’ll float? Please show me how persecuted they are in the media. Demonstrate what happens to those who question them.
Thinking logically isn’t sarcs super power.
Mulvaney getting millions and fame is exactly the same as being burned alive.
Oh sure. They aren’t being burned at the stake which means I’m wrong. Sure buddy. By the way, ever heard of this guy DeSantis?
Is he anything like that guy DeathSantis you keep banging on about?
You’re really pushing for the top spot in the retard club.
You see, I don’t bag about DeSantis. I make fun of conservatards like you who have epileptic fits when Reason say “Boo” about the guy.
Cite?
You are projecting the retard pejorative quite a bit this morning buddy.
He just learned how to spell it, Jesse.
– There are people are cutting off children’s genitalia, poisoning them with toxic cocktails that arrest physical development, physically attacking those who disagree and vandalizing and shooting up churches.
– There are people who think that’s wrong and are loudly but nonviolently (“but wurds r violence, herp derp”) protesting their behavior.
Guess which group Sarcasmic thinks are the bad guys.
Conservatives and non-insane libertarians?
The ones with magical anti-science beliefs, who pray to mother gaia, and have non-stop end of times predictions about humanity perishing due to their (carbon based) sins?
The ones who spent COVID lockdowns wearing religious talismans to protect them?
You are so hilariously off on this analogy, and so desperate to paint the right as the enemy, that you cant see what is so blatantly obvious in front of your face.
You really have become so full of TDS and hate for the right that your default is to defend the left at all costs. Wapo comments might be the best place for you, a libertarian you aint
I’m not the one getting emotional. Do you need a tissue?
Your posts are all emotional anti intellectual rage buddy.
pray to mother gaia
How is that any different, any less rational than praying to any other religion’s god?
sarcs argument is that the right are the puritans in this story, as they are the religious ones, out witch hunting
I was kindly educating him as to the growing state religion that climate-secularism is.
I appreciate the agreement, im with you, it is no different in my opinion than any other religion deep down. Well, except many religions have some sort of message of hope and forgiveness, whereas climate-secularism basically is just original sin + end of times without any real forgiveness or redemption message. So lots of the worst parts without any of the good ones.
Sarc doesn’t defend the left. And certainly not “at all costs”.
He has a long track record of criticizing both the left and right. To not recognize that is to either be dishonest or to be so warped by your own right-wing prejudices you can’t see neutrality toward the left and right anymore.
You won’t have a problem showing him criticizing the left then.
“The Puritans are those with the trannies this time. We just call them “Woke” and “Progressive” today.”
Correct
They’re also going against people who said that masks don’t work, and people who didn’t want to take an experimental vaccine.
Really? Last I checked all mandates had expired. Nice attempt at a tu quoque though.
If they are ended today it never happened. Mike and sarc.
It’s all in the past now.
Just like Salem. And the slave trade.
authoritarianism is fine so long as you only do it for a few years and dont destroy EVERYONE’s life
– a libertarian?
Australian covid camps were fine because they weren’t gassing people. Sarc actually claimed that.
Authoritarianism is fine when Republicans do it!
It’s totally evil when the left does the exact same thing!
-you know who you are
Cite an example?
“What difference, at this point, does it make?”
Facts changed.
The witches are all gone now.
Successful witch hunt then?
^chuckle
“Nice attempt at a tu quoque though.”
He’s got to be getting it wrong on purpose now at this point. Even sarc can’t be this dumb.
LOL literally no one is going after the trannies, other than the ones shooting up places.
Trannies are put on a pedestal as brave and strong, and the govt, media, Hollywood all fall over themselves to highlight how brave and wonderful they are.
People on the right are targeting…and pay attention here, because its important…NOT FUCKING WITH KIDS.
This is probably the biggest mask off moment I have seen from you.
Trannies are put on a pedestal as brave and strong, and the govt, media, Hollywood all fall over themselves to highlight how brave and wonderful they are.
Yep. Those are the witches that the Puritans are fighting back against.
People on the right are targeting…and pay attention here, because its important…NOT FUCKING WITH KIDS.
Do you wring your hands when you cry “What about the children?!?”
This is probably the biggest mask off moment I have seen from you.
I’ll be sure to let you know when I give a shit about what you think.
Full leftist. Bookmarked lol.
Please defend the ideology indoctrination kids and telling them not to discuss it with their parents. An industry putting kids on drugs after 2 hours of talking. Of using cult like tactics to target autistic kids.
You really are a pathetic leftist fuck lol.
Salem: A bunch of people falsely accuse private citizens of working for the devil and casting spells on other townspeople. Despite their ardent denials, the accused are convicted of witchcraft and many are hanged or burned at the stake.
Today: A bunch of people are showing actual confessions of agents of the state promising to push highly controversial teachings on the young. As a result of their ardent promises to do more, the accused are prohibited from pushing their medically suspect and controversial ideology on the kids.
Sarc: Totally the same thing!
One quibble: The government and media joined the mob in convicting and killing those accused of witchcraft.
vs
Some governments saying it’s not okay to cut off body parts or surpress biology for people under 18 no matter who you are.
LOL literally no one is going after the trannies, other than the ones shooting up places.
https://missouriindependent.com/2023/04/24/transgender-missourians-consider-leaving-state-after-ag-includes-adults-in-emergency-rule/
the ones shooting up places
Like the four cases?
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-trans-nonbinary-shooter/fact-check-majority-of-us-mass-shooters-are-cis-men-not-transgender-or-non-binary-people-idUSL1N363273
Care to acknowledge the death of Jo Acker?
Fact check: the majority of us mass shooters are black Democrat voting gang members.
Also, “cis” is a made-up term by mentally ill academics.
Were the accused in Salem trying to convince all the little kids to become witches too behind their parents backs? They might have got what was coming to them if so
Pretty sure they were.
I think you’d be surprised.
Also, imagine watching a year of show trials for J6, 2 impeachments that failed for Trump, what amounts to a mega colonoscopy into his finances, campaign finances, businesses, and the FBI surveilling the man and his circle before he was even elected, a failed fishing expedition/raid at his residence, and then after all that, indicting the man on what amounts to a parking ticket.
Imagine, seeing all that, and thinking “ya, the right wingers are the puritans in this story” lmao
Oh, so you’re victims now. Poor oppressed white, heterosexual, conservative Christian males, the most oppressed group in the history of history. Let me find some sympathy for you. There it is, in the dictionary, between shit and syphilis.
Not a leftist guys. Supports state arrests of political enemies. Bookmarked.
Shooting people for trespassing on public property is also a good thing.
Shooting the right people for trespass, or any other reason (including bad speech) is a good thing.
“Poor oppressed white, heterosexual, conservative Christian males, the most oppressed group in the history of history”
Poor – I wont completely power level myself here, but my shitcoin crypto profile is likely larger than your entire net worth, and its the smallest part of my portfolio…and if you meant the homonym, I dont care, I still feel like shitting on you.
White – well, half true but I guess ‘one drop’ is enough for a leftist
Hetero – got me there, love them titties
Christian – not even close, im one step away from being an atheist, and would be if atheists in general werent so insufferable
Males – got me there again, at least until the left changes my definition to “schlong-haver”
Ill even give you another curve ball, I actually despise trump, and would love it if he didn’t run again. But my brain isnt so far gone that I would buy into the left’s insane Orwellian reality. My lying eyes work just fine and I can see what’s going on. You are blinded by a mix of hate, TDS, and probably enough alcohol to take down a walrus.
Your Atheist comment made me laugh. I am in the exact same place.
Rest assured, guys. This here Atheist picks up all garbage, not just religious tracts and signs on highways. There is only one Earth and one life, so I aim to make a place better than when I find it.
And I don’t spend time scanning the Lifestyle/Faith Section of the paper looking for Men’s Prayer Breakfasts and Ladies Quilting Bees to protest. I only get pissed and riled when religionists propose running whole societies (including my life) based on their Superstitious nonsense. In other words, religionists have to be the initiators before I act.
And look at it this way too: The biggest concentration of Atheists at any given moment is the Maternity Ward of the hospital. None of them are ever ugly and their screaming and dirty diapers are quickly remedied by caring medical staff.
Atheists aren’t as nearly as obnoxious as portrayed. So come on in, the water is just fine!
🙂
Anti-religionists (and the religious people who frame a lack of faith in terms of faith) give atheists a bad name.
Thanks for the psychoanalysis. Stick it in the italics.
I’m not a hater. Unlike you I’m not emotionally invested in politics. I don’t yell at the tv and wish ill upon people who disagree with me. You’ve got me confused with the people I don’t respond to.
And yet you are here, everyday, defending the left from the mean girls.
You are completely emotionally invested in Owning The Cons on this board. The problem is you aren’t intellectually equipped
I’m not equipped to deal with their stupidity, that’s for sure.
Poor sarc. Can’t form a coherent argument so he lashes out.
Go back to stating how smart you are for federal executives bailing out banks.
“You are completely emotionally invested in Owning The Cons on this board.”
A sad state of affairs. Would be like if I was invested in out-boxing Mike Tyson.
Which one of us refuses to consider anything the other person says because we don’t like them or their politics or we’re trying to impress the trolls? That’s the person interesting in “Owning” the other side, and it isn’t me.
Literally you. It is why you mute people who provide evidence and call them conspiracy theorist for being right.
Dude…way to be completely ahistoric.
This entire nation is filled with the descendants of people who were violently oppressed in their native land. So oppressed that they fled with the clothes on their back, made dangerous ocean crossings and ventured into the wilderness to find a bit of land where they could scratch out a living.
Bonus stupid: there is no such thing as inherited blame.
Didn’t have sarc defending gender theory in my ways he is a Democrat bingo card. Yet here it is.
Ya. Witch hunts today are carried out by the right, and lefties (specifically trannies) are the victims of them.
This is so far detached from any sort of observable reality, he has to be loaded right now.
This is way of the modern leftists. Tranny kills 6 Christians (3 children) and the White House declares trannies are under attack.
Mike and sarc take their cues from the DNC. You should never be surprised at the gaslighting shit that spews from either of them.
oh also, they invited the ‘Tn 3’, who got their fame by interrupting normal business and got a wrist slap, in a protest that was responding to the Nashville tranny shooting…
they invited those 3 to the WH, and a full media tour, and highlighted how they are poor marginalized brave heroes, and also how they stand up for the marginalized and oppressed trans people…all with ZERO mention of the 6 christians killed, 3 of which are children.
The people killed are (or would likely later be) aligned with the right, and the people who got the media’s sympathy, attention, and now fame are the brave Tn 3 POC’s and trans people…and sarc thinks the witch hunt is targeting them. Straight gaslighting nonsense
Mike and sarc take their cues from the DNC.
Please link to even one example.
Progessives are direct descendants of Puritans….
Sneering and not sneering.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/04/don-lemon-and-the-demise-of-the-sneering-media/
It was a tale of two firings last week in the American media. Two famous anchors, with two very different profiles and styles, were unceremoniously ousted by their corporate overlords. Conservative bête noire Tucker Carlson and liberal malcontent Don Lemon were both dropped from their channels, on the very same day.
While I probably shouldn’t feel sorry for any television personality, I can’t help but have a little bit of pity for Mr Lemon. Even in his firing, his thunder was well and truly stolen by Mr Carlson, who was far more popular with his populist audience on Fox News than Mr Lemon was with his liberal audience on CNN. Shortly after Fox announced that Carlson would no longer be hosting the highly watched Tucker Carlson Tonight, he released a video that immediately racked up tens of millions of views. Meanwhile, poor Lemon’s red-carpet interview with the Associated Press, in which he said he had not been fired and insisted he was living his best life, garnered a paltry 12,000 views.
Without Tucker’s primetime show, the once mighty Fox’s ratings have crashed to CNN levels. The liberal media are crowing over this, but they – once again – fail to read the room. They insist that Tucker was popular because a majority of Americans are irredeemably awful, and are easily susceptible to his right-wing spell. But what if Tucker earned the loyalty of millions simply by not insulting them every night? Is that really so much to ask for from the media?
Hey, the proper behavior of elites towards deplorables is insult, right?
“by not insulting them every night? Is that really so much to ask for from the media?”
Yes, yes it is.
Progressive double standards.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/05/joe-biden-and-the-chaos-of-virtue-signalling/
Have you noticed that when Donald Trump does something, it’s ‘fascism’, yet when Joe Biden does the same thing, it’s ‘politics’?
Consider troop deployments to the US-Mexico border. In October 2018, President Trump caused hair-tearing angst among liberals across Christendom when he sent 5,000 troops to the border to deal with what he called an ‘invasion’ of illegal immigrants.
Fast forward five years and now it’s President Biden doing ‘fascism’. He is sending 1,500 troops to bolster resources at the southern border ahead of an ‘expected surge’ of migrants. They’ll join the 2,500 National Guard members who are already there assisting border agents. That adds up to 4,000 heavily armed men and women, just a thousand shy of Trump’s virulent, nationalistic strongman show five years ago.
The current border crisis tells us a larger story, then. It confirms America is governed by an elite so bereft of principles and ideas that it cannot say what it is for, only what it is against. We are Not Trump, we hate The Wall, we loathe you deplorables, this narcissistic establishment cries, with not a second thought for the chaotic impact their performative virtue is having on everyday life.
Now do “corruption”
Totally neutral state media.
I definitely saw Biden cabinet officials testifying on Capital Hill that the border is completely under control.
So… Either they were lying… Or Biden is deploying troops for no reason.
The Ten Commandments could be in every Texas classroom next fall
Will the Texas GOP’s push to bring Christianity back into the classroom succeed?
Christo-Fascism – Who needs the First Amendment anyway?
https://www.vox.com/policy/2023/4/28/23699277/ten-commandments-texas-school-prayer-religion
The first, SB 1515, would require public schools to display the Ten Commandments in a “conspicuous place” in classrooms. The other bill, SB 1396, would permit public schools to set aside time for students and staff members to pray or read the Bible and other religious texts. The third, SB 1556, would give employees the right to pray or “engage in religious speech” while on the job. The bills are on their way to the Texas House for approval. These bills follow Texas’s SB 797, which took effect in 2021 and requires schools to display “In God We Trust” signs.
Prefer CRT bullshit over theocracy.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Prefer CRT bullshit over theocracy.
You prefer it because it is leftist theocracy. Faith-based and fundamentally flawed/false.
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Does it specify the version of the 10 commandments? Is the Bible-thumping idiot who proposed this bill even aware that Catholics and Protestants have different versions?
Better if the federal government had mandated the Smithsonian poster about the dangers of white culture, right?
“Ban the bible from the classroom!”: “yes, this is appropriate use of state control of public classrooms”
“Ban tranny indoctrination for elementary school”: “this is genocide!!!”
The Ten Commandments are inherently Jewish.
Not surprised you and Vox are anti-semites.
(This is still a stupid bill that I expect would get smacked down by the SC. Unless they’re bright enough to not make it mandatory and just make it voluntary.)
Are they going to include the one about not seething a kid in its mother’s milk?
“Loneliness is an “epidemic,” the U.S. surgeon general says.”
It surely is. In fact, it has been a problem since humans first evolved. Perhaps the earliest record of such dire loneliness can be found in the text of “The Epic of Gilgamesh,” the sources for which date back some 4,200 years. My cats also get lonely. The “Dawn Cat,” the ancestor of modern cats, evolved about 30 million years ago. Question: does the U.S. Surgeon General know how to read?
WHERE’S PLUGGO?
He’s always claiming the Bideneconomy is so great.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_ca71c21c-ea83-11ed-81ee-9f0c02b4f248.html
Americans are worried about the safety of their money in the banking system after multiple banks have collapsed in recent weeks, according to a new poll.
“The latest readings are similar to those in 2008,” Gallup said. “In September of that year, shortly after the collapse of Lehman Brothers, which remains the largest bankruptcy filing in U.S. history, 45% of U.S. adults said they were very or moderately worried about the safety of their money. Several months later, in December, after Congress’ Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP) bailed out other banks in danger of failing, Americans were slightly less concerned about the safety of their personal financial accounts, as 41% said they were very or moderately worried.”
“Whereas majorities of Republicans (55%) and independents (51%) say they are at least moderately worried, a 36% minority of Democrats are,” Gallup said. “Similarly, 54% of U.S. adults with no college degree are very or moderately worried, while 36% of college graduates are. About half of Americans with an annual household income under $100,000 express worry about their money, while 40% of those with higher incomes do.”
Don’t worry. The Fed is trying its best to strangle the economy just in time for the 2024 election.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1654480780507193348?t=ifJONG40vetKIb6zRSceHQ&s=19
Denver City Council member Candi CdeBaca, who is running for re-election, says white owned businesses should be taxed extra and redistributed to black owned businesses.
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Skin color is the most important thing.
Herschel fans agree.
Keep in mind that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Marxism is the most important thing. Skin color is just a tactic.
To be fair, white-owned businesses are the only ones making any money in Denver these days.
Denver City Council member Candi CdeBaca should kill herself for being a fucking commie shit.
Trying to enshrine union rights into the constitution in Pennsylvania.
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/pennsylvania-unions-push-misleading-labor-amendment-modeled-after-illinois-amendment-1/
Illinois has long been a bastion of union power, with unions nationwide taking their cues from what goes on in Illinois.
The latest example: unions in Pennsylvania are pushing a labor amendment worded exactly like Illinois’ Amendment 1, which was passed by Illinois voters in November.
The Pennsylvania amendment won’t be on the ballot until 2025 – if it makes it that far. It first has to clear both chambers of the Pennsylvania General Assembly in consecutive sessions.
The language of the amendment gives government union leaders the extraordinary power to override laws through provisions in their collective bargaining agreements.
The language of the amendment also prohibits lawmakers from passing a law interfering with, negating or diminishing its reach. That means lawmakers will never be able to limit what unions can demand in negotiations. They will never be able to restrict when government unions go on strike to get those demands met.
What’s more, the contracts created under the amendment will carry the weight of the constitution, allowing government unions to override state laws.
Unions are so popular they have to be able to use coercion to get their way.
I will be the most union-friendly president ever.
– Scranton Joe.
Ask the railroad workers’ unions how they feel about that.
“At the crux of the case are sexually oriented videos that the Does took of themselves when they were young teens. The teens shared these videos, via Snapchat, with an adult posing as a teenager. This person did not keep them private and they wound up circulating online.”
I demand a government that protects me from my stupid actions and interferes with voluntary exchanges between adults.
Am I doing activism right? Or left?
“Ex-Proud Boys Leader Enrique Tarrio Found Guilty of Jan. 6 Sedition Plot”
https://time.com/6277079/proud-boys-tarrio-sedition-guilty/
What, specifically, did they do? The talked about doing something which was and is impossible to accomplish; keeping Trump as POTUS.
They might just as well have planned to levitate the capitol.
They had an unspoken conspiracy. At least thats what the government claimed. They had no evidence of any conspiracy, but knew about the unspoken one. They utilized multiple CIs, planted evidence, spied on the defense.
Cleanest conviction ever.
If people can be arrested for suspicious silent prayer then people can be convicted for unspoken conspiracy.
Jury trial. Full due process.
Now go get your shinebox.
Thoughtcrimes need to be punished!
Have I got a brand new Irish law for you!
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/03/irelands-new-thoughtcrime-bill-is-shockingly-draconian/
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
DC jury, which means that the jury will be prejudged against anyone to the right of Pol Pot, much less Mao.
I read the indictment. Their own text messages were strong evidence against them. I’m pretty fair minded but if the text messages the prosecutors said existed really did, I could see a guilty verdict.
Remember, when the FBI has infiltrated your group, they are pretty good of getting you to say what they want you to say on a medium that can be used in court. They already have a plan to get you to say particular things and will keep pushing you various ways until you do. The FBI are experts at behavior manipulation. A byproduct of decades of building profiles.
I think it was the Oathkeepers who had the more damning text messages. Proud Boys chats, from what I remember of the case, seemed to be more about planning their protest march, and how to deal with Antifa infiltrators they expected to see.
I also think Tarrio’s lawyer basically fucked them all over by making a braindead argument that the riot was all Trump’s fault and these guys were simply following orders. That was insane argumentation. I think he was trying to play off the fact that a DC Jury is incensed with hatred of Trump and he was trying to get them all just angry at Trump, but to them, he’s Hitler and these guys are Nazis, so you don’t want the idea that they’re following his orders.
The indictment I read was for Enrique Tarrio and four or five others.
“”and these guys were simply following orders.””
The only reason you say that is if the government has enough proof to clearly show involvement. The text messages of the group communications is in their own words. You can’t win a jury when you claim X but the texts in their own words says Y.
Please cite these texts. The prosecution relied on a theory of unspoken conspiracy.
During the trial, witness for the prosecution Jeremy Bertino testified about an alleged implicit or implied agreement referencing this as an “unspoken agreement.” Bertino is a former Proud Boy who has taken a plea deal including the charge of seditious conspiracy.
If texts existed why was it unspoken.
https://redstate.com/brutalbrittany/2023/04/25/but-seditious-conspiracy-are-you-kidding-me-proud-boys-lawyers-make-closing-arguments-in-january-6-trial-n736742
The DoJ closing argument included:
In his closing, DOJ attorney Mulroe told jurors:
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A conspiracy can be unspoken, implicit. A wink and a nod.
“…A conspiracy can be unspoken, implicit. A wink and a nod…”
To conspire to commit a crime not physically possible.
But what possible crime could they have committed? There is no way a group of people could prevent Biden from taking office, so outside of talking about it, of what crime are they guilty?
Thoughtcrimes. The worst kind.
Do you have the texts? If the texts exist why did the prosecution rely on the theory of an unspoken conspiracy? Why did they use so many informants as the basis of the trial? Why did they rely on a document they planted in tarrios email?
An example:
https://www.westernjournal.com/proud-boys-infiltrated-dozen-fbi-informants-jan-6-trial-uncovers-stunning-clue-flip-case/
Joe Trippi and the falling of a city.
https://johnkassnews.com/joe-trippi-should-wear-the-jacket/
Lori Lightfoot is out, Brandon Johnson is in, and Chicago is finished.
Thank Joe Trippi. Paul Vallas will wear the jacket for this loss and the subsequent tumults du jour, but someone asked Joe Trippi to run the Vallas campaign. Who suggested Joe Trippi, the man who sent the screamer Howard Dean into oblivion? It was someone who wanted to please Cook County President Toni Preckwinkle.
Joe Trippi, I believe, was brought in to scuttle any chance Paul Vallas might have had to save Chicago and scuttle it he did! The same guy who pushed Howard “the Scream” Dean into political obscurity would work his Progressive magic on Policy Wonk Paul.
Paul Vallas allowed Trippi to define him. Would it not make sense to embrace every available vote and ensure that it stays with you? No, Joe Trippi wants to “build trust between communities.” and kick away every vote that just might not want anything to do with progressive. Lori Lightfoot, Chuy Garcia and Brandon Johnson are Progressives. Progressive Pat Quinn endorsed Vallas late in the game. The most polarizing Illinois Governor in history gave Quinn the job and he was one one-half and done.
I know about Joe Trippi. He is the internet wiz who skyrocketed Howard Dean in the popular imagination and then corkscrewed Dean into the political loam. Joe Trippi works with Lincoln Project, dedicated to Democrats as Republicans who hate Trump. Like Catholics for Abortion. Now, that is certainly Progressive. Joe Trippi does not fail. His candidates do.
I spoke with a friend who is very politically hep, and he told me, ” Trippi and Mellman did not want any national attention for Paul Vallas, as his character and program of fighting crime runs counter to Progressive norms. They wanted no national focus on Vallas, or the Chicago mayor’s race.”
“I’m not sure you can take what happened here and extrapolate it to Los Angeles or other big cities,” Trippi said. “Chicago and Illinois are going to vote for Biden. Half of Chicago was [willing to embrace Johnson], but that doesn’t tell you anything about anywhere else.” Until mid-April when mobs of CPS educated young savages destroy cars, beat people and kill most certainly does tell you something.
Yep, Brandon Johnson’s voters will vote for Joe Biden and Chicago will flat-line.
‘Connecticut state Sen. Saud Anwar, who co-sponsored the bill, said the main motivation was to acknowledge the injustice of the state’s puritanical (literally) witch hunts. But he said that this kind of stance also communicates that the state supports women at a time when women’s rights face renewed threats. “It’s no secret that what happened 300-plus years ago was because the women were women and they were being targeted,” Anwar said. “When men are in control … they use their means to try and take away the rights of women. It was prevalent then. It remains prevalent now.”‘
Yup, this is exactly what we pledged at the latest white male club meeting.
‘Loneliness is an “epidemic,” the U.S. surgeon general says.’
Oh, are we done with lock-downs, social distancing, and official government-induced fear of human contact?
Since the govt can only do ham handed, overkill public policy…we fix this with gov mandated orgies?
…we fix this with gov mandated orgies
Dude, no. Biden sponsored orgies will be nothing but trannies.
At best it will be sex with the people at the DMV.
Trannies from the DMV
yay, lady dicks!
DOJ burying Biden’s crimes.
https://nypost.com/2023/05/04/is-justice-burying-hard-evidence-of-actual-joe-biden-crimes/
Did Joe Biden sell out America — and commit crimes — by making “policy decisions” in exchange for cash from a “foreign national” when he was vice president?
A whistleblower claims the FBI has a file linking the prez to just such a “scheme,” per a new subpoena from the House Oversight Committee.
Yet signs point to the Justice Department punting on any evidence.
But the Biden’s Justice Department is hard to trust, politicized under Garland to target parents who speak up at school-board meetings and even traditionalist Catholics.
And, apparently, to ignore all the rich material suggesting Biden-family crime involving China, Ukraine, Russia, Romania and Mexico (for starters).
when he was vice president?
JUST AKSING !!!
Remember that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
ber that
“Oklahoma is moving to make paying for sex a felony crime.”
Are we upset because we are libertarian or because we are libertine?
Yes. 🙂
gamble your savings away in Oklahoma instead. perfectly prudent.
Trying to obtain the Tennessee Trannie’s manifesto.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/national-police-association-and-other-groups-sue-obtain-audrey-hale-manifesto
It is not uncommon for there to be a delay in the release of information in a major crime pending investigation. What was weird is that the police quickly confirmed that Hale acted alone and Hale was dead. There is no prosecution that will occur in the case. Yet, it is May and the authorities are still refusing to release the manifesto . . . and they will not fully explain why. Now, the National Police Association and other groups are suing to make the writings and other materials of mass shooter Audrey Hale public.
i’m betting that the manifesto shows she had an agent assigned to her.
The thought being this was something the FBI was going to “catch”, but failed? Or just wanted to push for the effect?
Yeah, either of those might start a war.
Yep. It’s happened before and it will happen again. This one may just be particularly egregious and with much more damning evidence as well.
Vice to become a wholly-owned Soros and Fortress subsidiary rather than just Soros-friendly.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/soros-and-fortress-acquire-vice-media-out-bankruptcy-court
Vice Media, which once had a valuation of $5.7 billion, went woke and is now broke, is set to be acquired out of bankruptcy at a valuation of around $400 million by Fortress Investment Group and Soros Fund Management, according to The Wall Street Journal, citing people familiar with the matter.
Good news.
The Vice news 1/2 hour show was superb. They put their reporter right in the line of fire.
Of course you’d think it’s good news. Your sugar daddy will now own Vice.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Expect more Vice links here soon.
Instead of Mastadon, er, Blue Sky?
two references to whoring. one of them completely out of left field.
Another normal one for reason.
Jerry got there first, above, but the witch thing is obviously a predicate for reparations. “Why, righting centuries old wrongs is what we do. That’s just a normal function of government.”
National Center on Sexual Exploitation existence is about as creepy as the creepers it professes to combat.
>>temporarily and unknowingly hosting links
you know who else temporarily & unknowingly hosted links?
The Reason Comment Section circa 2016 right before SPB got banned?
>>Connecticut may posthumously exonerate people executed as witches in the 1600s.
based on what new evidence?
>>writes David French.
your token is a bore
quoting David French in earnest is a buffoonish embarrassment for reason.
Holy shit. On the actual Seattle city government website (as a pdf):
WHITE CULTURE
I. White Culture defines what is considered normal – it creates the
standard for judging values.
For example – Think about who and how these terms are defined: good parenting, stable family, well- raised child, individual self-sufficiency, and effective leadership.
In your organization, what are the characteristics of a good employee? How were you informed? If unwritten rules – how did you learn about them?
II. White culture privileges a focus on individuals (not groups).
Independence and autonomy are valued and rewarded. An individual is in control of their environment – “You get what you deserve.”
In your organization, what is rewarded? Example – is there encouragement to compete? Collaborative decision-making? Decisions based on common good?
III. White culture assigns a higher value to some ways of behaving than others. It often defines the “other” behaviors as dangerous and/or deviant.
For example – Right to comfort. Avoid conflict, emotion . . . Be polite. Comfort level is defined by whites and those that cause discomfort or involved in conflict can be marginalized. Individual acts of unfairness become equal to the pain and discomfort to systemic racism which are daily targets for people of color. Based on Tema Okun’s White Supremacy Culture.
In your organization, what behaviors are considered uncomfortable? (e.g. conflict, loud voice, crying)? How does the organization culture respond when these behaviors happen?
IV. Decision-making often reflects white cultural assumptions about the primacy of individuals, standards of behavior and use of power “over” others.
For example: Deciding and enforcing, Either/or thinking, those less affected define the problem and solution
Reflect on the different groups you belong to – Who is included in the decision-making process? What is the rationale? Is the process different on paper vs. in reality?
V. White culture values certain ways of knowing and not others.
For example, if you can’t measure it – it is not of value. Focus on cause and effect relationships and rational linear thinking
In your organization, who or what informs you that a program/service is working? How is success defined? Who decides what is sufficient time?
White Culture description comes from many sources, including: Tema Okun-White Supremacy Culture, 2001. Judith Katz –Some Aspects and Assumptions of White Culture in the United States, 1985. Robette Ann Dias – Transforming Institutional Values: Revisited, 2008. Joseph Barndt – Understanding and Dismantling Racism: The Twenty-First Century Challenge to White America, 2007. p. 234. Barbara Major – Chapter 7 – How does White Privilege Show Up in Foundation and Community Initiatives?, from Flipping the Script: White Privilege and Community Building.
White Culture Worksheet developed by M. Potapchuk, MP Associates. Transforming White Privilege: A 21st Century Leadership Capacity, ©CAPD, MP Associates, World Trust Educational Services, 2012
I guess ‘white culture’ is the dominant culture in the entire world, as it would include whites, Jews, Indians/Asians…
Basically everything is white culture I guess? Maybe just change it to “not black?”
I don’t think Africans find any of those values unfamiliar.
All cultures assign a higher value to some ways of behaving than others and considers others deviant. That is part of the definition of what cultures do.
So white culture is defined as individual self-sufficiency, politeness, treating people as individuals rather than by their group, fact based evaluation of what constitutes success. If non-white cultures do not include these things, is that not kind of racist? Just asking.
So in order to deter white supemecy we should deter indivuals, and focus on groups?
Okay I can do that
Question for Seattle, what group of people make up 13% of the population and commits >50% of murderers, and > 60% of violent crime? If we are to treat them as a group should we peemptivly arrest all of them?
Terrifying, AOC had a good idea:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/aoc-matt-gaetz-introduce-bipartisan-bill-banning-congress-members-trading-individual-stocks
“Sponsored by GOP Reps. Gaetz and Brian Fitzpatrick, R-Pa., and Democratic Reps. Ocasio-Cortez and Raja Krishnamoorthi, D-Ill., the Bipartisan Restoring Faith in Government Act aims to block members of Congress, as well as their spouses and dependents, from trading individual stocks.”
That won’t go anywhere. Trading stocks with inside knowledge of impending legislation and regulation is one the major sources of income for members of Congress and their families, and how nearly everyone who enters those halls exits a millionaire.
these kinds of things are only presented when they have no chance of being passed.
>>Bipartisan Restoring Faith in Government Act
Sisyphus on line 2 …
Yeah, OK, it’s not going to restore my faith in government either, but it *is* a step in the right direction.
I can’t believe a bill is required.
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“”We should do bills that have substance. We have too much work to do.” No, Dubitsky, you shouldn’t! If you have too much work to do it’s because you are trying to do work that the legislature should not be doing in the first place. Try doing a lot less work, please …
I will note that under this theory of sex trafficking under FOSTA, Comcast, L3, AT&T and Verizon, et. al. are more culpable in sex trafficking. They actually do have ongoing business relationships with people on both ends of these transactions. Whereas Twitter and Reddit have one non-paying user posting unsolicited content that other nonpaying users can download, these companies host and transport the content to and from paying customers.
Academic idiocy:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/04/opinion/science-evidence-merits.html
…th[e] belief — that science is somehow subjective and should be practiced and judged accordingly — has recently taken hold in academic, governmental and medical settings. A paper published last week, “In Defense of Merit in Science,” documents the disquieting ways in which research is increasingly informed by a politicized agenda, one that often characterizes science as fundamentally racist and in need of “decolonizing.” The authors argue that science should instead be independent, evidence-based and focused on advancing knowledge.
This sounds entirely reasonable.
Yet the paper was rejected by several prominent mainstream journals, including The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Another publication that passed on the paper, the authors report, described some of its conclusions as “downright hurtful.”
This is well beyond the world described in Gross and Levitt’s “Higher Superstition”.
Worth reading the comments, which are largely in agreement with the tenor of the op-ed.
Another publication that passed on the paper, the authors report, described some of its conclusions as “downright hurtful.”
One of the more insidious beliefs of modern leftism is the idea that if you’re not of the perceived power strucuture and don’t live in a perpetual state of bliss 24/7, you’re being oppressed and anyone who isn’t enabling you to reach that state is actively doing you harm.
This is why leftists so commonly suffer from some form of mental illness–they think they were thrown into a world they never wanted to be a part of, and their desire is to remake the world so that they never have to endure a single second of discomfort.
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A letter, golden script upon the page,
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A train, enchanted, steams through verdant lands,
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Within the walls of Hogwarts, towers high,
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The pharissies.
Well, my view is that the Ukrainian Citizens have the right to clean their streets of trash like Putin and his Putineers and private U.S. Citizens have a right to sell or give away the implements for clean-up. Sounds like a Woodsy Owl plan to me! 🙂
I think I see where you are going, so I’ll elaborate.
Part of that right of self-defense is the right to cut off and throw out tentacles of your declared enemy from your midst.
If your declared enemy is operating a rat-nest of spies or a network of recruiters to their cause or a terrorist cell in your borders, a Government acting in behalf of the self-defense of it’s Citizens should shut down and throw out that nest, network, or cell, even the enemy is using a house of worship.
“Sincerely-held religious belief” does not cut it against the right to self-defense.
He won’t, which is why I don’t bother anymore.