Most Americans Say New York Charges Against Trump Are 'Serious'
Headlines about the 34 alleged felonies seem to have obscured newly revealed information about the weakness of the charges.

The New York indictment of Donald Trump aims to disguise the fundamental weakness of the case against the former president by transforming a single hush payment into 34 felonies. Recent polling suggests that strategy has been successful.
In an ABC News/Ipsos poll of American adults conducted after a grand jury indicted Trump on March 30, 45 percent agreed that he should have been charged with a crime. That number rose to 50 percent in a second survey conducted after the indictment was unsealed last Tuesday. At the same time, the share of respondents who were undecided dropped from 23 percent to 17 percent.
The overall share of respondents who deemed the charges against Trump "serious" did not change much between the two surveys: It was 52 percent last week, up from 50 percent the previous week. But the share who viewed the charges as "very serious" rose by six percentage points, from 24 percent to 30 percent. At the same time, the share of respondents who said the charges are "not serious at all" rose from 20 percent to 24 percent.
"Independents and people who were undecided on this issue" in the first survey seem to be "moving away from the former president by small margins," Ipsos notes. In response to a question that was asked only in the second survey, 53 percent of respondents said Trump "intentionally did something illegal," while 11 percent said he "acted wrongly but not intentionally," 20 percent said he "did not do anything wrong," and the rest did not offer an opinion.
On its face, the apparent increase in public support for the New York prosecution is puzzling. If anything, you might expect to see a decline in public support, because the details revealed last week cast doubt on Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's case in several ways.
First, all of the charges are related to the $130,000 that former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen paid porn star Stormy Daniels shortly before the 2016 presidential election to keep her story about a 2006 affair with Trump out of the press. The case hinges on viewing that payment as an illegal campaign contribution—a questionable proposition that Cohen accepted in a 2018 plea agreement only when confronted by charges that could have sent him to prison for decades instead of the three-year sentence he ultimately received. And although Cohen said he paid Daniels at Trump's behest, which under the Justice Department's theory implicated Trump in soliciting an excessive campaign contribution, federal prosecutors never pursued that charge, even after Trump left office.
Second, Bragg alleges that Trump, who reimbursed Cohen for the hush money with a series of checks he wrote in 2017, violated a New York law by falsifying business records to disguise those payments as compensation for legal services. As the indictment describes it, Trump did that not once but 34 times—once for each invoice, check, and ledger entry related to the reimbursement. That multiplication of charges counterintuitively treats Trump's misrepresentation as nearly three dozen distinct crimes.
Third, while those offenses ordinarily would be misdemeanors, the indictment charges all of them as felonies because they were allegedly aimed at concealing or committing "another crime." But neither the indictment nor the "statement of facts" that accompanied it says what that crime was. Bragg also has been vague on that crucial point, probably because there are potential legal problems with every possibility.
Given these weaknesses, it seems likely that formerly undecided people who began voicing support for the case against Trump after the indictment was unsealed were more impressed by headlines about 34 felonies than the information about the conduct underlying those charges. A CNN/SRSS poll conducted before the indictment was unsealed suggests a similar disconnect: While 60 percent of respondents said they approved of "the decision to indict Trump," just 37 percent thought "Trump's actions regarding payments to Stormy Daniels" were "illegal." If "Trump's actions regarding payments to Stormy Daniels" were not illegal, Bragg has no case.
As Reason's J.D. Tuccille noted last week, the CNN/SRSS poll results present another puzzle: Seventy-six percent of the respondents said "politics played a role" in the indictment, including 52 percent who said it "played a major role." That suggests a substantial number of respondents were untroubled by a political motivation for prosecuting Trump, even though that would be contrary to the rule of law and Bragg's own description of his motivation.
In the more recent ABC/Ipsos survey, 50 percent of respondents said "the charges against Donald Trump in this case" were "politically motivated," while 36 percent said they weren't and 13 percent were not sure. If only 36 percent rejected the idea that the case is politically motivated, how could 50 percent think the prosecution is justified?
Again, these results suggest that antipathy toward Trump is coloring some Americans' views of the New York case. By the same token, reflexive support for Trump presumably helps account for the 20 percent of respondents who thought he "did not do anything wrong," even unintentionally.
Assessing the merits of Bragg's case against Trump, of course, requires setting aside one's personal feelings about the defendant, along with one's opinion of his potential criminal culpability for actions that are not at issue in this case. Bragg claims to have arrived at that sort of dispassionate conclusion. But his reliance on debatable facts and untested legal theories belies that self-portrayal. So does Bragg's decision to belatedly bring state charges that his predecessor rejected after mulling them for years, based on a federal charge against Trump that the Justice Department likewise declined to pursue.
All of that looks especially bad given that the defendant is the leading candidate to oppose an incumbent who is a member of Bragg's party in the next presidential election. It's no wonder that so many Americans view the case as politically motivated. But it is alarming that many of them don't seem to view that as a problem.
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By the same token, reflexive support for Trump presumably helps account for the 20 percent of respondents who thought he “did not do anything wrong,” even unintentionally.
I’d say you misspelled “presumption of innocence”, but the presumption of innocence and the presumption of guilt are not opposite sides of the same token… unless kangaroo courts conducted by authoritarian/totalitarian regimes actually count as justice in your book.
Edit: Jesus. This really was a critical part of The Enlightenment.
I would say it's a flaw with the polling. These are ABC/CNN polls and I just don't really trust them.
Now, the way you ask a question is meaningful. If you asked me, "Has Trump ever done anything wrong?" I would say, of course he has. There's tons of things I disagree with.
I don't think anything remotely criminal has happened with these New York charges. NDAs are legal, NDAs in furtherance of a campaign are legal (and, in fact, so common that American taxpayers pay for Congress to have a legal fund completely dedicated to them), and besides that, Trump is completely allowed to contribute as much of his own money to a campaign as he wants. Money is speech and he has freedom to exercise it.
Revealed preferences are a thing and you don't need to ask biased questions to elicit it.
I'd agree that between revealed preferences, biased polling, and biased reporting, the truth is lost in the weeds, if it's even present at all.
It's not just that. Who was defrauded by those ledger entries? Trump wasn't reporting to anyone else. First there's a problem parsing the statute:
Does that condition in #3 apply only to omissions or, as would seem to be common sense, also to #1 and #2?
But even if it does apply only to omissions, where is the intent to defraud?
I do think the condition in 3 is specific to 3. But, yeah, they have to show intent to defraud.
They don't have to show anything. They can just make an opening argument, rest their case, and Trump will be convicted.
In NYC that is entirely probable. The case should be moved out of NYC. But this judge is a democrat operative.
You just have to understand what the polls are telling us: That virtually every Democrat thinks Trump should be in jail, they don't care on what basis, and they're cool with it being politically driven.
Seriously, the number of Democrats who think that shouldn't happen is a rounding error.
While other people are rather more doubtful, despite the rather biased coverage.
Yes, and this needs be brought up as a reason for a change of venue. It’s not that Democrats don’t like him, or didn’t vote for him, but they have an existing bias where they believe he belongs in jail. Overwhelmingly they think this, and this city is a single-party stronghold. That sort of sentiment would be sufficient to disqualify a jury in almost any other case.
They will not get a change of venue.
I doubt they will either.
And conservatives lack the balls to return fire appropriately.
unless kangaroo courts conducted by authoritarian/totalitarian regimes actually count as justice in your book.
Well, how else do you convert a functioning republic into a banana republic?
Gotta fortify that vote.
Also add criminal penalties that are explicitly based on identity class.
Maybe make sure all the cogs controlling the means of production (remember, we're in the information age) subscribe to a totalitarian ideology and are frequently rotated between academia, NGO, government, and corporation.
The civil war can’t come soon enough.
There's a key difference between "not guilty" and "did not do anything wrong."
As it refers to these charges, though, I do not believe he did anything wrong. It's not that he's "not guilty," this is an area where everything was completely justified.
But this points to a problem I have with polls in general and what it means to draw conclusions from them. A lot of people are probably familiar with Jonathan Haidt's Moral Foundations test:
https://www.idrlabs.com/morality/6/test.php
My problem is with the vagueness inherent the way you answer: it's a 7 point scale from "Not Okay" to "Okay." The answers are obviously meant to be subjective, but beyond that, the way the data is interpreted has to impugn some meaning in the word "okay" that isn't explained. Does "Okay" mean, "Yes, this is a choice I would make?" or does it mean, "This is a choice other people can make even if I don't agree with it?"
Two people could complete the same test with the exact same set of answers, and yet their personal values could be extremely different because of what they consider the answers to mean. For this reason, I think Haidt has always had a ton of problem actually describing libertarians because the only foundation he finds libertarians score high on is "liberty." But that doesn't mean libertarians don't care about any other moral foundations, it just means we're generally permissive about the choices we allow others to make. We can have a ton of values that define the choices we make for ourselves without thinking they should be mandated.
And that's an extremely well-thought out test with attempts to be as neutral as possible, but it' still failing to capture the inherent subjectivity of how a test-taker is perceiving the questions. Polls in general often have sloppy questions, where the way the question is framed elicits an answer that doesn't capture what the respondent is actually thinking.
"Being Trump" trumps them all.
They should remake 1979’s Being There, with Joe Biden in the Peter Sellers role. No script will be required.
Chauncey Gardiner was Albert Einstein compared to Joe.
Perhaps the media is really, really bad. Maybe.
Trump could murder someone live on FoxNews in the middle of 5th Avenue, and 20% of the country would say he's innocent.
You're no Doug Adams
“ f anything, you might expect to see a decline in public support, because the details revealed last week cast doubt on Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's case in several ways.” Seriously? You think most people have even a cursory knowledge of the law and the prosecution’s case?
You think most people have even a cursory knowledge of the law and the prosecution’s case?
Nope, especially the kinds of people who watch ABC and CNN and actually respond to ABC News/Ipsos or CNN/SRSS polls. All they think is what they're told to think.
I mean, this is the problem right here. People parrot mostly what they are told to believe about something. If all you do is pay attention to left leaning news sources, the tremendous weakness of the case isn't going to be known.
At this point, any poll should require and account for where people get their news to understand why they believe a certain way.
You think most people even read the charges?
I think the majority of people get their knowledge of the law from TV shows and movies.
"Most Americans Say New York Charges Against Trump Are 'Serious'
"Most Americans" get their "information" from headlines and sound bytes. Very short ones. It is a big reason this country is coming apart because you need a citizenry that is at a minimum informed enough to make an intelligent decision. Feels rules.
Look at that. Another hit piece against Republicans by leftist tReason. Always Republican this and Republican that. Never critical of the other side. May as well be MSNBC.
Like Mika would EVER be seen with the Reason crowd...
Poor sarc. So many ideas!
And according to the Sarcasmic, this article doesn’t exist:
What 'Freedom' Means to Ron DeSantis. There are some jarring contradictions in the Florida governor's pitch to voters.
Funny part is you think that's sarcasm.. The only funny part about it is just how true it really is.
Run and hide you little bitch. You’re either going to nut up, and come kick my ass, or openly apologize here.
I will never let up until you do. And I’m not interested in going to see Justin Bieber with you, or whatever the hell you put up as a peace offering before.
So this seems to mean that much of the country is fine with weaponizing the justice system against political undesirables and will be be disappointed when this case is likely dismissed, overturned, or ends in a not guilty verdict based on the absurdity of the legal theory behind the charges.
All it seems is that the majority of the people polled are complacent with a corrupt, dysfunctional justice system.
Are those who end their days by kneeling before their beds and praying that God will fuck Biden any different?
Yes, they're doing that in the quiet of their own home, whereas the others become DAs and run a campaign based around destroying their political opponents.
Weaponized political prosecutions for some, 6" American flags for everyone else.
Is that why Biden stumbles up stairs? God answering those types prayers?
Has anyone charged Joe Biden with a crime based on a “novel legal theory” (which is the kindest way to describe Bragg’s work)? If not, who cares what ills anyone wishes on Biden?
Yeah they are different. I'm not surprised you can't understand the difference between faith based asking and enforcing your own will.
*cough cough* DeSantis *cough cough*
What Disney? Cancelling Disney's self-governance is like locking Trump in jail? RU F'En kidding?
Sarc isn't the smartest turd in the leftist toilet.
He is a fucking coward though. He always runs away from me.
Trump is in jail?
That is the lefts goal post is it not.
Look at Sarcasmic pretend.
Yes, I was just thinking about this the other day. Our system only works if people actually buy into the premise: impartial justice, just laws, and proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
This case has none of those things or anything close to them, and yet 60% of people are willing to throw it all out to get the guy they don't like. So at least 23% (about a quarter of the population) don't believe ANYTHING illegal happened -- yet want someone indicted anyway. That's a terrifying state of affairs for humanity, and does not portend well for the future.
I don't even like Trump, either, but the NY case against him is ridiculously egregious horse manure. The one in Georgia (election interference) is probably the least flimsy of the ones I've heard of, but even that's a stretch, probably depending on if you believe "finding votes" (or whatever he said) means manufacturing them or recounting them/properly applying the law... or if you believe that Kemp is a lying globalist shill or not - I still want to know how he wins GA easily yet they send a literal communist to the Senate, twice, other than blatantly rigged elections.
I do not like Trump either, but railroading a jerkass on charges where it is questionable the actions are even a crime, much less that they are out of the prosecutor's jurisdiction and where the statute of limitations has run out is not good for the system.
I do not like Trump either..
Unnecessary preface.
Correct, but some people don't understand the only thing that matters now is friend/enemy (and there is no 3rd position)
Some people feel like they have to apologize to democrats for supporting Trump. I don’t, and then demand they apologize for being democrats.
As if I would ever apologize to a soulless, lower order of life.
^+1000^
60 percent willing to overlook....until some d.a. trys to pull the same shit on them.
And you can bet your bottom dollar that some Republican prosecutor will repeat this, and not just once. Remember when Harry Reid changed the rule for approving judges. It came back to haunt the Donkeys big time and our country is worse for it. (the Justices are ok but 'justice' is not)
Wait until you hear the one involving misappropriating government documents, then repeatedly lying about it! It seems likely Trump's lawyers will be crucial witnesses against him in that one.
Oh, I thought you meant the Biden’s.
You mean thevone that seems to par for the course for Executive officials and Senators, including the current occupan of the White House?
Let's see, I think I heard some things about classified documents:
- Trump had documents in a locked, secure area at Mar-A-Lago, guarded by the Secret Service (among others).
- Biden had documents in an unguarded closet at an institute/library, as well as in a pile of boxes in an unguarded garage where his son may or may not have been smoking crack while cavorting with hookers on the CCP payroll.
- Even Mike f***ing Pence apparently had some just lying around the house.
- Hillary Clinton bypassed all that and just loaded all the classified documents onto an insecure server for any foreign hacker to read.
As they sang on Sesame Street in my childhood: "One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just isn't the same..."
Screw all four of them, but Trump's seems by far the least egregious.
...Of course, the REAL problem is that probably 90% or more of what the government classified does not actually NEED to be classified, but they're paranoid, totalitarian tyrants, so whaddaya expect?
You forgot Obama.
Not sure I forgot him, so much as when did we ever hear anything in the media that denigrated their venerated the-day-the-oceans-stopped-rising Saint Barack (who actually laid much of the groundwork for the totalitarian shitshow the country has become) by characterizing him as doing anything wrong, ever?
You’re confused cunt. You’re talking about your senile master, Joe Biden. You see cunt, Some of the documents Biden had in his possession dare back to his time as senator, where he had absolutely no authority to take any of them. So not only should he go to prison for raping his staffer, molesting his preteen daughter, and peddling influence for cash around the world (especially our enemies), he is also guilty of taking classified material. Whereas Trump had unlimited declassification authority as president.
Are you still confused cunt?
What our ignorance of the US Constitution has led to.
[WE] gang RULES! governing.
Impartial? Government, including the judiciary, is what we do to "legally" fuck with other people.
A crude way of putting it but basically true. Only the quality of the character of the people we put in those positions keeps the system functioning ... or makes it ultimately fall.
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
― John Adams
I would claim it's an issue with polling.
You may have a poin, but I proceeded with the idea that the poll was not nonsense.
I see no reason to assume Trump will be ruled anything other than guilty, regardless of evidence or law itself.
I se no reason that democrats should be allowed to work in government, or exist as a party.
ends in a not guilty verdict
That's not going to happen. In a New York City courtroom, Trump will be found guilty, regardless of the quality of the case.
He will be convicted, tried, charged, and sentenced, in that order.
and the NY state appeals court i would say is in play in the same way [in all likelihood]
Yes. Most democrats support the weaponization of the courts. Why we are entering banana Republic era.
The tone and tenor of the media has been very helpful in this, including yourself Jacob. You all just know he deserves it, so no big deal. You gave up your own morals the last 6 years. This is the end game.
Fortunately, 400 million privately owned firearms trump crooked courts.
Most probably not. By the time it comes to that the courts will be a sideshow.
Polling Suggests Most Americans Are Unswayed by the Weakness of the New York Case Against Trump
Phew.
Glad you grabbed the original headline in your post. Up just a few minutes and already changed.
Yeah I just noticed that and made a comment below. Must've gotten a call by Nick.
And new headline is even worse.
What is the opposite of libertarian?
Reason,com
Because OrangeManBad. It's really that simple.
Again, OrangeManBad. Principals over principles.
And feelz.
That's weird. Dilbert told me this is a huge win for Trump and he's more popular than ever.
Trump could win the next election by doing nothing but showing Conservatives his mug shot every day, assuming there is one. Democrats haven't yet figured out how dangerous this game is.
Delbert still believes we have legitimate elections
Did I miss something that made Dilbert more meaningful than anybody else or any celebrity on Twitter or whatever?
I could understand a one-off quote because he's popular or whatever but Sandra keeps bringing him up like a stalking horse. She may as well be saying, "But Faux News tells me..." like it's 2008.
So far as I can tell from her posts, only Dilbert and Laura Loomer matter
There are also idiots like Paul Ingrassia. Maybe he's more appropriate for "Parody is obsolete." Honestly I'm not convinced he's a real person.
Admittedly I limit my attention to Twitter. Maybe all the truly brilliant Trump 2024 people are on TRUTH SOCIAL.
>>truly brilliant Trump 2024 people
lol clickbait
Laughed out loud on that one. Cheers.
"She'll find two tweets like she does every year."
Living up, every inch, to the Remy parody of CNN in '16.
Seriously, the more she talks about this, the more she sounds like Jim Cramer picking stocks (or even SPBP2 directly).
Sure, Russia and China and the House of Saud are drifting closer, and, sure, NATO is fraying over Ukraine and we still don't know who blew up NS1&2, and, sure, immigration and crime are no better, if not worse, than when he started, but really at this point, the only thing that could sink Biden is if the number of oil wells goes down... or up... or Kammy takes over... or Ukraine gets worse.
Scott Adams predicted Trump's victory in the 2016 election. I always thought Clinton would win. He was right. I was wrong.
At one point I wondered if he had some unique insight, but now I think he just got lucky. Trump didn't win because of "master persuader" skills. And it wasn't a "landslide." Trump won by tens of thousands of votes across a few swing states against the most hated Democratic Presidential candidate in recent decades.
So yeah, he's relevant as one of the larger Trump hype accounts. I enjoy pointing out stupidity across the political spectrum, and I can't focus 100% of my Trump dead-ender mockery on Laura Loomer. (Though she makes it tempting.)
No changes were made between the 2016 and 2020 elections that changed how elections were ran?
As you have correctly pointed out, I have very little patience for "I actually won but the election was illegitimate" as an excuse from a losing candidate. Clinton, Abrams, Trump, Lake, it's bipartisan. I think it's weak.
However for the sake of argument let's assume Democrats really are that much more skilled at cheating. OK. That's a serious problem for the GOP going forward.
But you admitted nominating Trump in 2024 doesn't address that.
Another major problem for Republicans is they're so inept they actually nominate toxic candidates that Democrats want them to nominate. This problem, OTOH, is fixable if Republicans would wise up.
So even if Democrats are relentless cheaters, nominating Trump does nothing to fix that first problem, *and* it exacerbates the second. It's a completely irrational Hail Mary based on a hope that the economy tanks, Biden's health gets worse, Americans die in Ukraine, Harris gets the nomination, or some combination of those. Basically the 2024 environment would need to be so bad for Democrats than even Jeb freakin' Bush could win.
However for the sake of argument let’s assume Democrats really are that much more skilled at cheating. OK. That’s a serious problem for the GOP going forward.
Yes. The number 1 problem as shown by 2022. Why I support acts like Lake taking claims yo court instead of calling her names for complaint she lost. Yet as she does so the AG threatens her with censure as well as felonies. Callong her names continues those actions to ever protest illegal actions of elections.
But you admitted nominating Trump in 2024 doesn’t address that.
It does not. Ironically he is the only current gop candidate talking about using the same means and methods as the dems. DeSantis is not. DeSantis had the correct action in stopping those changes from becoming permanent. But that is 1 of 50 states.
Another major problem for Republicans is they’re so inept they actually nominate toxic candidates that Democrats want them to nominate. This problem, OTOH, is fixable if Republicans would wise up.
Back to the days of McCain and Romney? Controlled opposition?
So even if Democrats are relentless cheaters, nominating Trump does nothing to fix that first problem, *and* it exacerbates the second.
How? Do you remember the attacks on Paul Ryan, McCain, Christie, Romney? They again don’t care who is nominated. They being the left. They also don’t care who they nominate unless they fall put of line (Sinema). Trump, wether you like him or not, gained 12 million votes as an incumbent which doesn't happen often.
Ironically the strategy you are pushing is essentially the same narrative of the Lincoln Project.
I’m probably voting Vivek at this point for the primary.
Another major problem for Republicans is they’re so inept they actually nominate toxic candidates that Democrats want them to nominate. This problem, OTOH, is fixable if Republicans would wise up.
Because Democrats would never smear or charge someone so reputable as Ron DeSantis?
Care to go on record, a la SPBP2, saying that "If Ron DeSantis wins the nomination *and* the Presidency there will be zero attempts to impeach or indict him, ever?"
It’s a completely irrational Hail Mary based on a hope that the economy tanks, Biden’s health gets worse, Americans die in Ukraine, Harris gets the nomination, or some combination of those.
I don't think you know how metaphorical Hail Mary's work. It's not even the second quarter and the possibility of the defense crumbling, the franchise collapsing, the star defender collapsing, the league's worst sub getting put in, or any combination of the above (plus several not mentioned) is not a Hail Mary no matter how terrible you may think Tom Brady, er, I mean Donald Trump is.
"I have very little patience for “I actually won but the election was illegitimate” as an excuse from a losing candidate. Clinton, Abrams, Trump, Lake, it’s bipartisan. I think it’s weak."
I could care less about it's weakness and strength. "Is it true" is a vastly more important question.
Since before Tammany Hall, America has had a terrible electoral fraud problem, exemplified in debacles like Kennedy/Nixon and Biden/Trump.
"Is it true” is a vastly more important question.
And broadly or narrowly true. On the one hand, yes, the house is shaking to the point that it's falling down and the GOP running around trying to patch cracks in the walls is minimally effectual, but, on the other hand, standing their saying "Your attempts to protect this house are pathetic and weak." or "I know you've got a method for selecting contractors, but you should really just skip that and hire my favorite contractor because this house is gonna collapse otherwise." while the GOP strives to repair a few cracks and the DNC is outside manning the bulldozer makes you look between irrelevantly self-serving and complicit with the DNC.
"They’re so inept they actually nominate toxic candidates that Democrats want them to nominate"
Dating back to 1992:
1992: GHWB, globalist RINO who singlehandedly gave us Clinton & the beginning of the modern politicization the bureaucracy.
1996: Bob Dole, milquetoast globalist (D) in R clothing.
2000, 2004: George W. Bush, stupid mealy-mouthed milquetoast neocon globalist (D) in R clothing.
2008: John McCain, loudmouth far-left (D) in R clothing.
2012: Mitt Romney, the prototype Charlie Parker Massachusetts (D) RINO.
2016, 2020, (2024?): Donald Trump, crass, loudmouth 90's (D) in R clothing; could've had Rand Paul, Ben Carson, or Marco Rubio (all less toxic), Ted Cruz (equally toxic), or Jeb! (and the base is ENTIRELY done with Bush/Clinton neocons)
Other than Trump, the R's passed over Pat Buchanan in 1992, the flat tax guy in 1996 (Forbes?), barely had anyone running in 2000/2004 that I recall, dissed Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012, and had plenty of choices in 2016. And every time the Democrats would have screamed "racist sexist fascist white supremacy" over and over into their de-facto state-media propaganda bullhorn no matter WHO was nominated, as we saw them treat Romney, Bush Jr, and McCain.
If you're talking down-ballot, Soros and friends are pouring buckets their own money into nominating the easiest-to-defeat "R" candidates and often even crossing over in open primaries. It's the old stock pump and dump scam... but for politicians! Also maybe the problem is the Republicans run a bunch of corrupt globalist neocons that nobody wants, who aren't going to win the general EITHER.
I'm geolibertarian, but I'll occasionally vote for a freak-on-a-leash Republican if they poke their fingers into the establishment's eye sockets. But a lefty commie Dem or a globalist righty? Hahaha HELL NO, they won't win. The R base and those of us who occasionally cross over figured out the con job and aren't playing their game anymore. Lose now, lose later, you still lose, so the only correct answer is F**K THEM ALL until we get normal people in power and the corrupt bureaucracy kicked to the curb (or, ideally, as libertarians, removed entirely).
I think Adams is right on Trump winning the Repub nomination. Trump has too much of a cult behind him for any other Repub to have a chance. If it was one-on-one with someone, then maybe. But right now Trump is always going to pull in 30-40% of the primary vote and everyone else will split the rest. It’s really likely that Trump will be the GOP nominee and then go on to lose in the general. Of course, that will result in psychotic claims of a stolen election, as Repubs have become the party that likes to lose so that they can be victims and complain about losing or having things stolen from them.
Why running good candidates that focus on popular policy objectives is something that Repubs would rather not do is beyond me.
But right now Trump is always going to pull in 30-40% of the primary vote and everyone else will split the rest. It’s really likely that Trump will be the GOP nominee and then go on to lose in the general. Of course, that will result in psychotic claims of a stolen election, as Repubs have become the party that likes to lose so that they can be victims and complain about losing or having things stolen from them.
OK, straight up, right now. Put up odds and/or dollars. What, exactly are the odds of Trump 'really likely' being the nominee and then losing the general? What exactly are the odds of Trump 'really likely' being the nominee and then losing the general? If, 19 mos. out, Ron or Don's chances of winning don't breach 30, 40, or 50%, are you saying GOPers are wrong about losing or that it's their fault they lost?
This take is even shittier than Sandra's because, again, it just pretends that the GOP never has a legitimate complaint about losing an election when, in reality, it seems a lot more like you just don't like how they won or who they won with.
The odds. I say the odds are near 80% that Trump is the nominee and about 10% that he wins the general.
And sorry that I don’t join in the constant drone about stolen elections and how mean and awful those terrible Dems are to Repubs. Yes, improper changes were made to allowable voting in states that allowed valid voters more time or ability to vote. Sorry, I’m never going to get too angry that more valid voters were allowed to vote. Maybe instead of complaining that Dems allow people to vote, Repubs should actually be encouraging their people to vote as well. Repubs too often are the party of hoping for low turnout because they are scared that the more people vote, the less they will vote for Repubs. That’s not a voting issue, that’s a party issue.
And I’m sick of the constant whining about stolen elections. Put your big boy pants on and go out there and win. It’s very easy. But to do that, don’t run candidates like Trump, Lake, Oz, and Walker. Actually run good candidates like Zeldin, Kemp, Youngkin, and DeSantis (at least at the time for DeSantis).
Trump had 2020 in the bag, but he couldn’t pull it off because he has no self control. And in 2020 Repubs actually did very well, the only Repub who didn’t was Trump because Trump is an awful candidate. Yet, because of Trump’s failure alone I’m supposed to get behind stolen election claims. No thanks.
When Repubs put up a candidate that is winning in the polls, can garner over 50% approval against a poor incumbent or terrible newbie, and they still lose the election becaue of shenanigans, then I will give some credit to complaining about losing elections. When you run the most hated person on the planet who never once garnered majority support and then complain that he didn’t win because of voting changes that allowed more valid voters to vote, sorry, I ain’t jumping on that train.
Too much I watch Repubs bask in being losers so that they can complain that the left are a bunch of meanies. Instead, I say grow a pair an win an election rather than complaining that the world’s worst candidate after Hillary couldn’t beat a corpse in a basement.
But that doesn’t look like it’s going to happen. Repubs appear to once again be planning to run Mr. Lame Duck on the First day because he "fights" or "he actually cares" or some other nonsense to “own” the libs. It’s so tiring anymore.
Now I see. You actually are carrying water. I didn't ask for a polemic about the GOP.
Notable tells:
Sorry, I’m never going to get too angry that more valid voters were allowed to vote.
So, *you* distinguish between a valid voter and an invalid voter but when GOPers do it, they're incredulous whiners? Noted.
Repubs too often are the party of hoping for low turnout because they are scared that the more people vote, the less they will vote for Repubs.
Ah, sure. I'm sure you've got a mountain of evidence to show that GOPers, even obliquely, strive to discourage people from voting. Especially after you *just* claimed the term 'valid voter' for yourself, like a transparent douchebag. Why don't you just call them racists while you're at it.
Actually run good candidates like Zeldin, Kemp, Youngkin, and DeSantis (at least at the time for DeSantis).
Again, per my post, if Trump is (19 mos. out) a cumulative 0.08% (80% primary, 10% general) and Ronnie D is a cumulative 0.08% (20% primary, 40% general), you're flatly saying that the GOP is going to lose either way, you don't like them because they're racist whiners anyway, and they should run your preferred candidate even if they're going to lose.
As indicated, at least Sandra is, seemingly, open/honest/fair/optimistic enough to admit or think that Ron has a better than even chance of beating Biden. My aggravation is that her 12-D chess puts her in the company of water-carrying DNC oxymorons like yourself.
You don't have to like every last counted vote. No one ever does and no one said you had to, but the increasing obviousness of completely fabricating foreign collusion, completely fabricating criminal charges serially, increasing the ability of not-valid-by-any-metric voters to vote by mail, without a signature, keep-counting-until-the-incumbent-declares-themselves-the-victor voting should offend everyone who thinks representative democracy is a good thing.
It's not about owning the libs, it's about a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws, about resistance to tyrrany. That doesn't mean Trump is the only one who does it, but it does mean that a more moderate or party-line candidate is just going to be more or the same. Fewer, actual, on-the-table "Cut spending for immgration reform" deals and more "ship immigrants to MV to get elected" stunts and then continue Obama-era, and before, immigration policies.
"So, *you* distinguish between a valid voter and an invalid voter but when GOPers do it, they’re incredulous whiners? Noted."
I never said such a thing. Nice straw man.
"Ah, sure. I’m sure you’ve got a mountain of evidence to show that GOPers, even obliquely, strive to discourage people from voting. Especially after you *just* claimed the term ‘valid voter’ for yourself, like a transparent douchebag. Why don’t you just call them racists while you’re at it."
I didn't say they strive to discourage people from voting. I said they hope for low turnout. Nice second straw man.
"Again, per my post, if Trump is (19 mos. out) a cumulative 0.08% (80% primary, 10% general) and Ronnie D is a cumulative 0.08% (20% primary, 40% general), you’re flatly saying that the GOP is going to lose either way, you don’t like them because they’re racist whiners anyway, and they should run your preferred candidate even if they’re going to lose."
I said Trump is most likely going to win the nomination and lose in the general. I said nothing about DeSantis. I didn't say anything about not liking "them" or claim that they are racist in any way nor did I say anything about "running my preferred candidate even if they're going to lose."
Nice third straw man.
"As indicated, at least Sandra is, seemingly, open/honest/fair/optimistic enough to admit or think that Ron has a better than even chance of beating Biden. My aggravation is that her 12-D chess puts her in the company of water-carrying DNC oxymorons like yourself."
I didn't mention anything about DeSantis or his head to head matchup with Biden. I actually think DeSantis would beat Biden at this point. My position though is Trump will take the nomination so there would be no head-to-head between DeSantis and Biden. So again, you keep asserting things I didn't say. And then saying that I carry water for the DNC is just lazy and pathetic.
"You don’t have to like every last counted vote. No one ever does and no one said you had to, but the increasing obviousness of completely fabricating foreign collusion, completely fabricating criminal charges serially, increasing the ability of not-valid-by-any-metric voters to vote by mail, without a signature, keep-counting-until-the-incumbent-declares-themselves-the-victor voting should offend everyone who thinks representative democracy is a good thing."
This does offend me. What also offends me is people like you who keep whining about this constantly only to keep losing elections. Maybe win elections and win cultural battles and you can turn this around. But constantly whining that Dems are unfair ain't going to change Dems' behavior. So, you have to beat them at the ballot box.
"It’s not about owning the libs, it’s about a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws, about resistance to tyrrany. That doesn’t mean Trump is the only one who does it, but it does mean that a more moderate or party-line candidate is just going to be more or the same. Fewer, actual, on-the-table “Cut spending for immgration reform” deals and more “ship immigrants to MV to get elected” stunts and then continue Obama-era, and before, immigration policies."
Then run good candidates to meet these goals. Again, whining about it doesn't accomplish anything. And having Trump as the Repub nominee isn't going to accomplish that either. You can't fight back against the things you don't like if you don't win elections.
In the end, your response is filled with invective and straw man arguments. I don't know why, but that's they way you decided to respond. I know there is a really weird affinity for Trump here in the Reason comments. But it still amazes me the immediate screaming and whining that occurs when someone honestly evaluates Trump and explains that he's not a good candidate.
I never said such a thing. Nice straw man.
So, then, despite actually, objectively saying “valid voter”, you don’t believe in or see a distinction between between valid voters and invalid voters? I didn’t invent the “valid voter” straw man, you did. The rest of us here in the US just call them “voters”.
So again, you keep asserting things I didn’t say.
The paragraph you cite makes no assertions about anything you said besides the assertion about the illegitimacy of others’ concerns about voter validity. I asked about the probability of Ron or Don beating Biden and got no response about Ron. As indicated, Sandra frequently claims Ron would win, you didn’t answer.
This does offend me. What also offends me is people like you who keep whining about this constantly only to keep losing elections.
Right. You don’t care about any fundamental principles of democracy or human rights, you only care about the cheating inasmuch as you’re inconvenienced by hearing everyone else’s whining while you, yourself whine about your own “valid voters”. You couldn’t be more transparent and every flourish of the threadbare cloak you keep waving just makes you look like more of a retard. Per your own precepts, no one will shed a tear about your whining when you’re no longer useful and get dragged off.
I know there is a really weird affinity for Trump here in the Reason comments. But it still amazes me the immediate screaming and whining that occurs when someone honestly evaluates Trump and explains that he’s not a good candidate.
As I’ve said pretty much since Trump first won the nomination. It’s not about Trump. If you ever wanted a real outsider, an actual political maverick to cut off heads and shake up the system, whatever vision you have of a Messiah who was going to lead us to libertopia or restore America to some past glory or whatever, Peter Thiel, Mark Cuban, Elon Musk, whomever that is… their opportunity going forward lives or dies with Trump. Even if Trump wins, it’s exceedingly likely we will never, ever have another non-career politician, of any political bent, in the White House. If you thought Trump was bad because he didn’t go after Fauci, none of the candidates you named are going to do it either. If you thought Trump didn’t do enough about rioting or illegal immigration, they aren’t going to do *more*. If you think Trump didn’t do enough to freeze spending and level out taxes to pay off the debt within a decade and get us solvent, they aren’t going to do anything that extreme. And, again, it’s not about Trump. If you *rightly* thought Trump was grossly deficient on one or more of those issues or others, you’re factually going to have to pick someone that a lot of people are going to view as more radical than him to make that correction, whatever it is. Whether it’s out of fear, stupidity, laziness, or other, this is clearly a broad swath of candidates and paths you don’t favor walking down.
But, again, you don’t appear to care about any of this. You just want to whip vacuous “Run better candidates!” and “Build your own Twitter!” pastries at the party you believe to be composed of old, racist white guys shouting at clouds and then act like “No, that wasn’t me!” when someone calls you out on it.
"So, then, despite actually, objectively saying “valid voter”, you don’t believe in or see a distinction between between valid voters and invalid voters? I didn’t invent the “valid voter” straw man, you did. The rest of us here in the US just call them “voters”."
I'm not sure the semantic pedantry you are attempting here. If someone isn't a valid voter (i.e. not legally allowed to vote) and they still vote, they are a voter that is not valid. People who are legally allowed to vote are valid voters. Why the hang-up on that, I have no idea.
"The paragraph you cite makes no assertions about anything you said besides the your assertion about the illegitimacy of others’ concerns about voter validity. I asked about the probability of Ron or Don beating Biden and got no response. As indicated, Sandra frequently claims Ron would win, you didn’t answer."
Sorry I didn't answer a question that was non-sequitur to my initial comment. I will answer again for you. Yes, DeSantis would likely beat Biden. However, DeSantis most likely won't be running against Biden.
"Right. You don’t care about any fundamental principles of democracy or human rights, you only care about the cheating inasmuch as your inconvenienced by hearing everyone else’s whining while you, yourself whine about your own “valid voters”. You couldn’t be more transparent and every flourish of the threadbare cloak you keep waving just makes you look like more of a retard."
Of course I care about fundamental principles of democracy and human rights. To claim otherwise is just childish nonsense from someone who can't behave like an adult in discussions and is just petulantly devoid of honesty. And again with your bizarre hang-up on valid voters.
And your "it's not about Trump" rambling paragraph is just too much mind rot to bother with.
"But, again, you don’t superficially don’t appear to care about any of this. You just want to whip vacuous “Run better candidates!” and “Build your own Twitter!” pastries at the party you believe to be composed of old, racist white guys shouting at clouds and then act like “No, that wasn’t me!” when someone calls you out on it."
You honestly seem to be having an argument with someone else as most of what you say in this paragraph and you comments as a whole have nothing to do with what I said. You just throw out baseless accusations, claim I said things I didn't even remotely mention, and fixate on the most insignificant stuff like valid voters.
I feel like you have a tenuous grasp on reality at this point.
I’m not sure the semantic pedantry you are attempting here.
Again, your threadbare cloak is transparent. Someone who can legally vote is called a voter. Someone who cannot legally vote and does so is called a felon. The distinction you’re drawing with “valid voter” and invoking the term for yourself while insisting the GOP whines is to set aside the law in favor of your preferred political hackery specifically against your political opponents and for political purposes.
Of course I care about fundamental principles of democracy and human rights.
No you don’t. You’ve effectively stated as much. Your stance in the face of show trials is “Run better candidates.” and this is after 8 yrs. of investigating a guy whom can only be charged with 34 counts of falsifying records to cover up a crime that cannot be named.
To claim otherwise is just childish nonsense from someone who can’t behave like an adult in discussions and is just petulantly devoid of honesty.
Says the guy whining about other’s whining while insisting his own specific brand of whining is valid.
And your “it’s not about Trump” rambling paragraph is just too much mind rot to bother with.
Aww… too troubling, too scary, or too difficult to think beyond your TDS? It really isn’t that hard. Whatever your conception of libertopia is, Trump isn’t even 1/2 the cult of personality it would take to achieve it. Everyone else, now and going forward, will be "go along to get along", relegating your conception of libertopia to radical political obscurity. Unless, of course, your conception is more Gary "Bake the Cake" Johnson/Jo "We must enthusiastically support BLM" Jorgensen/Bill "Hillary Clinton is a person of high moral character" Weld-style third-party politics.
I feel like you have a tenuous grasp on reality at this point.
Well, that would make me the better candidate, because I started out with the full understanding that you were likely between just incorrect and completely detached and reached my correct conclusion quicker. Don’t like the results of the discussion you lost to what you believe to be a mental case? Sorry about your luck. Run a better candidate next time.
“Again, your threadbare cloak is transparent. Someone who can legally vote is called a voter. Someone who cannot legally vote and does so is called a felon. The distinction you’re drawing with “valid voter” and invoking the term for yourself while insisting the GOP whines is to set aside the law in favor of your preferred political hackery specifically against your political opponents and for political purposes.”
And more tired semantic pedantry. What is wrong with you?
“No you don’t. You’ve effectively stated as much. Your stance in the face of show trials is “Run better candidates.” and this is after 8 yrs. of investigating a guy whom can only be charged with 34 counts of falsifying records to cover up a crime that cannot be named.”
My stance in the face of show trials? What does that even mean? I didn’t say anything about the trial of Trump. Who are you actually arguing against? And seriously, why is the concept of running good candidate so angering to you?
“Says the guy whining about other’s whining while insisting his own specific brand of whining is valid.”
You’re an adult and wrote this sentence?
“Aww… too troubling, too scary, or too difficult to think beyond your TDS? It really isn’t that hard. Whatever your conception of libertopia is, Trump isn’t even 1/2 the cult of personality it would take to achieve it. Everyone else, now and going forward, will be “go along to get along”, relegating your conception of libertopia to radical political obscurity. Unless, of course, your conception is more Gary “Bake the Cake” Johnson/Jo “We must enthusiastically support BLM” Jorgensen/Bill “Hillary Clinton is a person of high moral character” Weld-style third-party politics.”
Libertopia? What does that even mean? Jorgensen/Bill? Where did that come from? Again, who are you actually arguing with?
“Well, that would make me the better candidate, because I started out with the full understanding that you were likely between just incorrect and completely detached and reached my correct conclusion quicker. Don’t like the results of the discussion you lost to what you believe to be a mental case? Sorry about your luck. Run a better candidate next time.”
You do realize that you went into psycho-ranting mode simply because I stated that Trump will most likely be the nominee and lose in the general election and said that maybe running better candidates on popular policy objectives would be better, right?
I mean, you’re flying off the handle at the concept of simply having better candidates. Are you on the spectrum or suffer from a head injury?
Again, seriously, whom besides hardcore Democrats do you think your position appeals to? Given the acceptance of the oppression or transgressions noted that you, supposedly oppose, when was “Run better candidates!” ever a valid argument widely espoused by anyone except the opposition tacitly seeking concessions?
It’s the same old brand of moderate, neo-con go-along-to-get-along moderate wish fulfillment. If the SPD had just run a more moderate and popular candidate, Hitler wouldn’t have won. If the Southern Democrats had run a more moderate and popular candidate, Lincoln wouldn’t have won. If the Democrats had run a more moderate and popular candidate than Hillary, Trump wouldn’t have won.
Sure. You can’t necessarily point to a candidate in any given case who’s both more moderate *and* more popular (Bernie Sanders? Liz Warren?) and, in some cases, the first-place-loser *was* the more moderate of several options, but keep spouting about how the opposite party is worried about the wrong injustices and you’ve got the narrative out of all their problems in hand. Even when your own narrative says to ignore people like you.
My position doesn’t remotely appeal to hardcore Democrats. To claim such a thing shows a profound level of ignorance.
My position appeals to classical liberals and center right leaning people and people who would like to actually work to pushback on progressivism and its excesses.
You on the other hand appear to have a limited grasp on reality and instead rant like a victim of the meanie Dems and a lunatic.
My position doesn’t remotely appeal to hardcore Democrats.
Your position is *exactly* the product they pay and control the media for. The show trials and wrongful prosecutions, the collusion with foreign adversaries, the corruption, the cover up of an unprecedented global pandemic, sure all that stuff happened, but you can rest assured that every election now and going forward is just as, if not more secure, than the 1960 or 1876 elections, where nothing particularly noteworthy happened. Nope, no false narratives created and perpetrated under the force of law around here! Just racist, valid-voter-suppressing GOPers running bad candidates like they always do!
And more wild ranting. Yawn.
Dilbert didn’t tell you that. Dogbert did. Scott has always been Dogbert.
Dogbert Da!
Alternative hypothesis – None of the alleged differences of opinion or changes of opinion are statistically significant and the “changed” numbers merely reflect sampling noise and systemic error driven by inconsistent wording of the poll questions.
+1 +/- 1.5
Again, these results suggest that antipathy toward Trump is coloring some Americans’ views of the New York case. By the same token, reflexive support for Trump presumably helps account for the 20 percent of respondents who thought he “did not do anything wrong,” even unintentionally.
By the same token, reflexive support for Nicholas Chappelle presumably helps account for Emma Camp who thought “he did not do anything wrong,” even unintentionally.
I didn’t know law enforcement cared about polls.
https://twitter.com/jollier_raptor/status/1645400235462590464?t=-BTiBjfOOUdvgF6KmUchGQ&s=19
This is going to make the Great Leap Forward seem like a good idea in comparison.
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They really put all faith into electric everything and cutting off food supplies. The food control aspect is genocidal.
Reminder of what ‘net zero’ really means. This graphic is from the UK government’s FIRES project.
Key points: All airports except Heathrow, Belfast & Glasgow to close by 2030. NO FLYING at all by 2050.
No new petrol/diesel vehicles by 2030; by 2050 all road use will be restricted to 60% of today’s level.
Food, heating and energy restricted to 60% of today’s level by 2050. No meat and fertilizers are illegal.
That means either a colder, hungrier population or massive depopulation.
To those who think this is conspiracy theory here is the government approved document: https://www.repository.cam.ac.uk/bitstream/handle/1810/299414/REP_Absolute_Zero_V3_20200505.pdf
I’ll be 68 by that time if I’m not Soylent Green first.
When the World Economic Forum said 250 million people was the max that should be allowed, they meant it.
This is a recipe to eliminate 7.75 billion people. Not even the Nazis or Mao were this audacious.
It’s like Cartman’s rochambeau; let them go first, except they’ll be kicking themselves in the balls.
Interesting stealth headline change:
From: Few americans swayed by weakness of the case against trump
To: Most Americans Say New York Charges Against Trump Are 'Serious'
1st headline: Trumpian, presumes the case against trump is weak. Bad journolisming.
2nd: More neutral.
Q: give me a headline about the charges filed against donald trump
A: "Former President Donald Trump Facing Criminal Charges for Alleged Wrongdoing During Presidency"
Q: give me a viewpoint neutral headline about the charges filed against donald trump
A: "Donald Trump Charged with Alleged Wrongdoing During Presidency, Legal Proceedings Underway"
Q: give me an anti-trump headline about the charges filed against donald trump
A: "Justice at Last: Criminal Charges Filed Against Corrupt Former President Donald Trump"
-ChatGPT
Of note: Setting aside the fact that a specifically-slanted "at last" that at least one reporter here at Reason has made, the prefixing of "donald trump" with "Former President" is... interesting.
The second one is inaccurate, no?
When ChatGPT is able to explain highly contentious issues of fact in a manner that makes *everyone* go "Ah... right! I see now." then I'll be worried (if I haven't already been forcibly lobotomized to prevent such inconveniences).
Otherwise, I can't really fault ChatGPT for inaccurately reporting Bragg's indictment of Trump for misrepresenting his invisible unicorn by paying Cohen to paint it pink or inaccurately reporting how the FBI knew who, other than the President, was cleared to seize what documents without knowing what was in the documents.
True.
It's the "during presidency" part where I see an issue for ChatGPT.
That's a simple temporal error.
ChatGPT literally invented a wapo story about Turley being accused of rape. Whole sale invention.
Let’s read a whole lot into a whole little!
Fuck off. No one wants a dirty, lying piece of shit like you here.
https://twitter.com/MysteryGrove/status/1645474438874386432?t=hkaNzPXC_QBT4__Qs0liPw&s=19
You’re going to see a lot more mindkilled freaks like this. He’s “normal,” but his career has a ceiling because of his demographic characteristics. Perpetually unhappy, has a cesspit worldview, lives in a cesspit, then just explodes into catastrophic antisocial violence.
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The thing that gets me with these types is just how mundane they really are. These Reddit posts are just lazy, zero personality, might as well be a pudgy HR catlady. Then for whatever reason a wrench gets thrown into the wretched machine and he really does something horrible.
The mind of a normie lib is a nightmare. They wake in fright
https://twitter.com/martyrmade/status/1645455352920686592?t=Vz5zZ978JzIocE0x2kSz1Q&s=19
When informant penetration of any org or movement reaches a certain threshold, the whole thing becomes an Asch conformity experiment. Taking advantage of this innate psychological vulnerability to manufacture crimes seems to be the FBI’s main occupation these days.
To the conformist instinct add the fact that the FBI targets the most vulnerable people and uses sophisticated psychological techniques on them. After 9/11 there were several instances of agents going into mosques, looking for depressed, friendless, low-IQ Muslims, pretending to be a friend, the person’s *only* friend, and radicalizing them over many months before addressing him and announcing that they’d thwarted a terrorist attack.
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Well, technically at least, 136 years for a bookkeeping error is "serious", but that DA cannot be taken seriously.
As the headline change shows, what is really shown by those polls is that propaganda works.
Yeah, when they say "serious" what does that mean? The charges are felonies. Are felonies not serious charges? Or does "serious" mean "he's charged with doing something really morally bad"?
What I call serious is how Bragg is going to explain how payments in 2017 were "intended" to affect the 2016 election.
>>Headlines ... seem to have obscured
you must be new to the business.
Trump did that not once but 34 times—once for each invoice..That multiplication of charges counterintuitively treats Trump's misrepresentation as nearly three dozen distinct crimes.
It was a sin for you to wanna feel up Ellen. It was a sin for you to plan to feel up Ellen. It was a sin for you to figure out a place to feel up Ellen. It was a sin to take Ellen to the place to feel her up. It was a sin to try to feel her up and it was a sin to feel her up. There were six sins in one feel, man!
https://twitter.com/TheRabbitHole84/status/1645489216476856321?t=6OzoTRW1aC8_9hzUAlrihw&s=19
Women, particularly Democratic women, are more intolerant of different viewpoints and thus more likely to block individuals with different views.
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Sarcasmic and White Mike are Democratic women?
Definitely plausible.
Sarc claiming muting him admits you want an echo chamber this morning was beyond parody or self awareness.
They’re both pussies. Sarc being the bigger pussy.
I don’t like describing this as a “weak” case, because that implies there’s a case there to be made but the facts and evidence are insufficient. This is a case based upon what is almost certainly not a crime and what should not be a crime, but an attempt to criminalize speech and punish someone the DA does not like.
There’s not a suitable jury pool to be found in New York City. It’s not because the city is full of Democrats, or people who didn’t vote against him. It doesn’t work because 94% of Democrats, independent of any facts, believe Trump should be prosecuted. It doesn’t matter if they think he belongs in jail for THIS case because we’re supposed to screen for a jury that is prejudiced against a defendant. That’s why prosecutors, generally, aren’t allowed to bring up all a defendant’s prior criminal acts to paint them as a bad person to get the jury to dislike them because it biases the jury against them. Democrats overwhelming want Trump prosecuted for something and are pre-disposed to convict regardless of the charges.
It’s a laundry list of problems to explain how what Trump did wasn’t in violation of any law.
1) The NDA can be plausibly explained as having many purposes aside from furtherance of Trump’s campaign, and thus isn’t a campaign expenditure.
2) Even if you decided it absolutely is an act in furtherance of a campaign, that’s legal for Trump as part of his own expenditures. If he’s reimbursing Cohen for it, it’s not an illegal donation from Cohen.
3) If it IS an illegal contribution from Cohen, then Trump’s payments are clearly not reimbursement, and must be made as part of Cohen’s retainer agreement (which doesn’t need to be physically documented in order to be a legal agreement).
4) If Trump did falsify business records, there’s no victim of the fraud. The United States is not allowed to criminalize lies, the lie must create an identifiable harm. New York State and the United States were not denied any taxes, Cohen ended up paying more taxes than he would have otherwise because he was paid $420,000 for a $130,000 payment.
5) The NDA is perfectly legal, it’s so legal that American Taxpayers are forced to pay into a fund for the US Congress to obtain NDAs for its members to prevent their own scandals reaching the news (which is problem not because NDAs are a problem, but that Americans are forced to fund them).
6) (Addendum) Additionally, even if Trump did somehow deprive New York State or the United States of taxes, it's a civil matter and not a criminal one. He can be assessed for the missing taxes and can repay the amount he owes without criminal charges being brought. It's a very small proportion of what he's worth and just requires him to cut a check to correct the error.
It’s not just that this case should be dismissed, it’s that Bragg needs to get dismissed. This is a blatant and obvious attempt to harm a political figure he dislikes.
Describing it as a weak case is accurate. First of all, it is actually a strong misdemeanor case, and it’s fair to describe a case that will only result in a misdemeanor verdict as “weak”. More importantly, it is a long shot it will result in criminal charges but the possibility is there — do, again, “weak” case is an accurate description.
It's not a strong misdemeanor case. There literally is no case. If he were guilty of what Bragg says he is, it would be a misdemeanor. But that's not what's happening here.
If he were guilty of what Bragg says he is, it would be a misdemeanor.
No, no, no, I think you're giving it way too much credit, and the whole reason I'm upset. I think, if Trump did EVERYTHING Bragg alleges he did, he didn't break any laws whatsoever.
Bragg isn't twisting the facts, here, he's twisting the LAW in order to charge someone with doing something that is entirely legal. That's why I won't call this a "weak" case-in a weak case, it's a stretch for the jury to find all the facts necessary to reach the burden of proof. This is a non-case, where even if the government proves every element of their factual allegations, there's been no law broken.
The basis of this allegation is that the business records are wrong. That's not fraud. Fraud requires leveraging false information for some kind of gain, which hasn't been done here. If you keep a ledger and you say you spent $600 on a meal instead of $60, you've created a false business record. But if you're not writing the dinner off as an expense, it doesn't matter how much you spent or how much you write in your ledger. It's not illegal to be wrong, or even to lie, the lie has to be tied to some cognizable harm for even a misdemeanor.
This is Mike Nifong on steroids and a massive dose of gamma rays.
"First of all, it is actually a strong misdemeanor case"
If it's so strong then maybe you can tell us all what Trump is actually being charged with... and then tell Bragg and the grand jury because they don't seem to know either.
Fucking Mike, always the perfect NPC.
You got a citation for how it works as a misdemeanor case?
Leftist newspapers said it was. Wasnt he even pushing the tax and conspiracy charges the left ran with?
You do realize the statute of limitations has run on the misdemeanor cases, right? As such, they aren't strong at all.
Is it wrong of me to hope he gets gang raped before going to prison on "Trumped" up charges?
Gang raped BEFORE going to prison?
That's quite the fucked-up kink you've got going on there.
after too.
Fuck off and die, TDS-addled shit-pile.
I find this offensive.
Also, Trump sucks
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why even respond to such an ham handed troll?
Pre-rape.
isnt that where a college guy asks a coed out on a date?
Not as wrong as you continuing to exist, but I doubt you're man enough to solve that problem yourself
Is it wrong of me to look forward to your impending death by slow torture once you Marxist faggots push Americans too far?
the guy wasnt worth the time or the bile for your response...
I am worth it. Bite your tongue.
Before the 2016 election Hillary Clinton and the DNC were involved in paying millions to create a fake dossier to influence the election. Like Trump they recorded it as legal expenses instead of campaign expenses. Unlike Trump they used donations to the campaign to fund it. They lied and tried to cover it up but the law firm they used to launder the money to Fusion GPS came clean on the matter. Hillary Clinton was quietly fined $8K. The double standard of our justice system is a very serious matter. Democrat voters that believe the end justifies the means is also a serious matter. Considering these polls if one was taken in New York County where this is being prosecuted the results would be close to 100% for a conviction regardless of guilt or innocence. This is where the grand jury and trial jury pool will be chosen from. The Democrat judge was also elected by these same people. Trump has no chance of a fair trial in New York County and if he has a chance to find justice it will be by an appeals court.
And that was actually worse. Lying about your opponent is a perfectly legal thing to do (though I find it distasteful). What they did was leverage a connection to the FBI to try to jumpstart an investigation that would lend credence to their lies. They weaponized the criminal justice system in order to attack a political opponent.
And it’s still happening.
It was near infinitely worse than watergate
But, but, ... that cant be unless someone says it with the blessing of Messrs. Woodward and\or Bernstein....
right voice of cnn?
Does anyone remember the prosecution of Rick Perry.
Interestingly enough, under a recent legal theory, Hillary could be indicted again on the dossier, given a republican administration and new AG. The first charge was just for the document, she can be charged again for the index, then the table of contents . . .
That is what needs to happen.
Most Americans don't know what arepas are either.
The polls make sense because the narrative works. A number of commenters here think Trump is guilty of something just not in this case. The public often takes a broader view that guilty of one thing may well mean guilty of another. Trump has played it so close for so long that people are more inclined to think him guilty. And while our legal system speaks of a "presumption of innocence" there are plenty of cases where the die is cast well before the case starts.
As for the question is this a political prosecution, I think Americans are numb to this ideas. Hillary Clinton and Hunter Biden have desensitized us to the idea of people be investigated for political purposes. James Comer has lamented that Beau Biden has died and so cannot be invested. Is that sick or what? Why should people care if Trump is investigated for political reason as it seem to be a common practice.
Democrats were never investigated so it is fine to go after a republican for 7 years on multiple charges is quite the moderate take.
What were all those Benghazi hearings about if not investigating Hillary?
Ahhh. British shrike is going with ignorance.
Shrike… who in the federal government us required by law to approve or deny security requests for foreign embassies? What position was Hillary? Were those requests denied multiple times? What baseless crimes was she threatened with? She even lied in testimony about it and her and Obama went after an immigrant film maker. Totally defend her though.
I’ll give you an hour to educate yourself for new talking points shrike.
Oh fuck off, cracker. I didn't even defend her. I pointed out that there were multiple investigations of her - contrary to your ignorant claims. Interestingly, despite a string of highly partisan investigations - including on one occasion where Trey "Deliverance" Gowdy basically lied about document classification, your good buddies in the GOP couldn't find anything to hang on her.
Fuck off, asshole ignoramus. Given that you are a lying piece of shit, you've yet to answer:
“What were all those Benghazi hearings about if not investigating Hillary?”
Yes, what were those hearings about? Please cite dates and membership.
Or, perhaps, you could admit your idiocy and STFU.
HEY! ... Only white rappers can call anyone a cracker!
Can't say you cant say the 'C' word because that expression is already taken - not unlike a keyboard shortcut
Or shorter Jesse, “fuck off and get your facts straight you subnormal, ignorant bitch’.
Fuck off and take your diabetes scooter with you
The SOS dropped the ball and then tried to blame the uprising on a YouTube video.
Tha fuck.
Possibly stupid, but not criminal. Even if she lied, do you want to hold top politicians accountable for lying? It's a great idea, though.
I’m not surprised your limey ass can’t tell the difference between investigating a government official (by the body that is supposed to be a check on the executive branch) for her dereliction of duty, then blaming an embassy attack on a YouTube video and investigating a former president based on trumped up criminal charges (stemming from an unknown federal crime that he has no authority to litigate).
"What were all those Benghazi hearings about if not investigating Hillary?"
Yes, what were those hearings about? Please cite dates and membership.
It is not a moderate "take" it is an observation. People don't care about political investigations/prosecutions because it is done all the time. The suggestion that Donald Trump is being singled out is wrong. People have seen politicians at all levels prosecuted and same for famous/wealth people. There is no reason people would see Trump differently.
It's an endless witch-hunt.
Everyone but psycho's know that at this point.
Nobody ever went broke from underestimating the intelligence of the public - or a public opinion poll.
best part is T's attorney Mr. Pineapple Taco
It's perfect isn't it.
Oh hell, people even here think the manslaughter charges against Alex Baldwin are serious.
The gun did it!
Well, they think of it like a personal gun safety issue rather than an occupational health and safety issue, wherein the personal responsibilities are completely different.
You mean where he, through criminal negligence, shot and killed someone on a movie set where he was the boss?
No mention of the 5-year statute of limitations having run out on the charges? Bragg is trying a novel argument that it was frozen while Trump was president. Will be interesting to see how many charges survive challenge.
I think it's technically true. But I see no reason why they should have such a law. It's not like you can't bring charges against someone who isn't in the state. And especially in *this* case, where they more or less knew exactly where he was at all times.
What the majority of Americans think is not a good guide to reality.
However, if as a factual matter each false entry is a separate crime, then 34 charges are legitimate, if puerile. And I am reminded of Lance Armstrong's argument that he only lied once about not taking steroids, as all the other times he was merely repeating the denial. Did anyone fall for that?
Defend democrats at all cost. - shrike.
I'm still not shrike - and it's hardly a full-throated defence of Democrats when I call the charges puerile.
Under that logic (and I use the word loosely) every step taken when jaywalking is an individual crime.
Did Armstrong lie once or multiple times?
If Trump sat down and wrote a series of false records at once, I would call that a single crime. If he wrote one false record, then later, came back and wrote another, etc. then it’s multiple crimes.
There’s an SC burglary case – I forget the name and perhaps a detail or three – on just that where the man breaks into a number of storage units and the issue was whether it was a single break-in or multiple and the court ruled that it was a single break-in as he was doing all of them at once, the implication being that if he’d gone away after one break-in and come back later (like Pringles, you can’t just have one of them) then multiple charges would indeed have been appopriate.
But what is being overlooked in this kind of discussion is that the solution to the multiple-charge issue may be found in the sentencing. If the judge thinks that it’s “really” one offence albeit in 34 stages (anyone seen “Back to School”?) but that technically Bragg could bring 34 charges, he’ll sentence Trump accordingly should he be convicted.
"...But what is being overlooked in this kind of discussion is that the solution to the multiple-charge issue may be found in the sentencing. If the judge thinks that it’s “really” one offence albeit in 34 stages (anyone seen “Back to School”?) but that technically Bragg could bring 34 charges, he’ll sentence Trump accordingly should he be convicted."
So any prosecutorial overreach is OK since it might be corrected on sentencing?
How-TDS-addled of you!
Except that in reality, they really weren’t business records. They involved his personal accounts, and the trust that he is the sole beneficiary to. And, of course, the bookkeeping wasn’t under his supervision, so no Respondeat Superior liability. He resigned from the organizations that the bookkeepers worked for, before assuming the Presidency. Of course, there was no victim either - these were expenses paid out of personal funds, which he was legally entitled to make. If they were indeed campaign expenses, that was fine, because candidates can make unlimited campaign contributions to their own campaigns.
They’re not legitimate. Stop lying.
Of course they're legitimate, having gone through the regular process, above-board, with prima facie evidence of a crime, though whether a felony as Bragg claims and charges, or a misdemeanour, remains to be seen at trial. A charge can be legitimate and nonetheless the defendant can be acquitted.
"Of course they’re legitimate, having gone through the regular process, above-board, with prima facie evidence of a crime,..."
Which "crime" remains a mystery, except to this obnoxiously arrogant twit.
It’s going to be interesting to see what Bragg left out when disclosing his evidence to the grand jury:
- Did he tell them that candidates can legally make unlimited contributions to their own campaigns?
- That repayment of a debt doesn’t change the character of the underlying expenses?
- That Trump disclosed the payments to the FEC?
- That the FEC determined that no crime had been committed?
- That PDJT had no supervisory control over those making the bookkeeping entries?
- Etc.
Bragg may well be the first to experience the bus tires as the swamp critters search for sacrificial twits
"...And I am reminded of Lance Armstrong’s argument that he only lied once about not taking steroids, as all the other times he was merely repeating the denial. Did anyone fall for that?"
Armstrong lied to many separate people under many separate circumstance regarding many separate events.
I'm reminded that TSS-addled obnoxiously arrogant assholes will grasp at any straw.
Misspelled "TDS" lol.
Maybe those being polled figure if Cohen was guilty of this crap then at the very least Trump should be charged. As for the Feds dropping the case, Cy Vance, Bragg's predecessor, said Bill Barr told him to drop the case inferring that the Feds would pick it up. For me the real problem is the nanny-state regs that crush everyone. This time they snagged Trump. He deserves to be crushed far more than most.
Yeah, that’s all bullshit. So just stop.
52% of Americans think the charges against Trump are serious.
2% of Americans can describe the charges in any detail.
The wisdom of crowds, er, morons. BTW, that's why jury trials are equally stupid.
Who really wants their future in the hands of 12 people who can't even figure a way out of jury duty?
Most Americans are red team or blue team. Blue team players are stupid, lied to and uninformed. This is the biggest joke of an indictment ever. Not from me, but from liberal Constitutional lawyer and scholar Alan Dershowitz, close friend of the Clintons and Obamas, a liberal and has always voted against Trumps and always says he will again, because he DISAGREES WITH HIS POLICY, but not because of liberal lies, an honest man which is almost impossible to find in this day and age.
Public opinion doesn’t mean jack shit in any trial. Judges, juries and appeals court do. Remember most liberals had Kyle Rittenhouse in prison for life for only DEFENDING IS OWN LIFE. Reason talking about public opinion is both ignorant and stupid.
“ Most Americans are red team or blue team.”
That isn’t so. Most are independents.
It’s something like 30% registered Democrats and 25% registered Republicans.
That’s a little over half of Americans sucking the rest of us into their Red vs Blue culture war.
But there are plenty in each of the two teams who think that if you're not on their team, you must be in the other team. "Stupid" is the word for it, provided you preface it with "extremely".
"Arrogant" is the word for you, assuming you preface it with "obnoxiously".
Make the world a better place; fuck off and die.
Alan Dershowitz has spoken of the 'Shoe on the Other Foot' test in the past. It sure seems relevant here. How would it feel if the shoe were on the other foot?
What will happen when POTUS Obama is indicted by a grand jury in some 'red' congressional district by some county DA? Imagine that arraignment and how it looks. Will you protest the charges are total bullshit? Don't think it will happen? There are 3,147 counties in the USA, we already know one DA is dumb enough to indict a former POTUS on some penny-ante bullshit, you think there isn't at least ONE other? Really?
Then think about the abject shame and humiliation we as a country have brought upon ourselves.
I really hope we can find a way to talk through our differences, but it seems almost as if the actions of the DC political class are just designed to be incitement, and there is no interest at all in talking.
And if they want to indict Obama, I’ll tell them how to do it. Go after his deal with Netflix. Quid pro quo, emoluments, etc. Claim his ledgers are forged in furtherance of the on-going money laundering scheme and get past the statute of limitations.
Go after him for ordering the killing of a 16 year old US citizen without a court.
Go after him for supplying weapons to the cartels!
And giving all that money to the Iranian regime.
You sure you don't mean the DC Comics class?
They’re pushing for a Hunger Games/Brave New World scenario.
I’m not sure if enough people will be willing to fight back.
Most people who support Trump's indictment DESPITE admitting to it being politically motivated are undoubtedly the same people who voted for John Fetterman and the new commie mayor in Chicago.
They aren't ignorant. Not in the least. They dang well know Fetterman wasn't fit to serve, given all physical evidence. Most of them also know Brandon Johnson is no improvement over Lori Lightfoot. But to play team games, they rationalize. "Well at least he'll be good for equity". "If Fetterman just appears once in a while to vote for democrat causes and save abortion, he'll be good".
To be fair, republicans also play this game, especially with Trump. but at the end of the day, many republicans did not vote for Trumpism in some states, and the center right is honest enough stand up for their political enemies when they're persecuted. The left, not as much.
Trump would (apparently) spend 134 years in prison if convicted of all charges. Did he kill someone? The problem with America isn't the just the ruling class, but the mob who openly call for a banana republic. If I was wealthy I'd invest in gold and precious metals or move money out of loony states, or SOMETHING. There's always hyperbole on the end of America, but I think the nation is lurching towards some serious trouble.
The democrat mob hasn’t been brutally our put down yet. They’ve had a lot of cover from criminal democrat politicians in blue strongholds.
lol. This comment was actually edited and it still reads as "The democrat mob hasn’t been brutally our put down yet. They’ve had a lot of cover from criminal democrat politicians in blue strongholds.: He he.
Hey. You got a couple of years of Democrats and the media predetermining that he’s guilty, and people might start to think that’s true.
And these "serious charges" include attempting to hide a crime which is not yet defined!
Why, it's almost as if he's charged with 'crime' of being Donald Trump!
Only white countries are told that they have no right to remain white and must allow themselves to be replaced by foreigners. No one demands demographic replacement of India, China, Japan or Nigeria. Anti-racist is code for anti-white.
Told by whom?
"Only white countries are told that they have no right to remain white and must allow themselves to be replaced by foreigners. No one demands demographic replacement of India, China, Japan or Nigeria. Anti-racist is code for anti-white."
Gonna guess racist or parody.
What's racist about that statement?
one or two definitive counter examples would show you
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I wonder what percentage of that 52% also believe that Trump is on trial for an illicit sexual affair with a porn star, thanks to coverage of the story by our corporate news media.
Is this due to biased polling that essentially ask questions to drive the narrative that they want to spin?
Or is this due to the reality that much of the population never reads past the headlines or beyond the second paragraph?
If one makes a honest attempt to understand, by reading the actual indictment and after presentation of the facts as viewed by Alvin Bragg, it is very apparent that there really isn't a crime or victim. That the wasting of time and money is due to Alvin Bragg being bent of giving Joe Biden a political contribution by distracting Donald Trump during the primaries and campaign in general.
Personally, I do not like Trump and will not be wasting my vote of such a mediocre former president. Likewise I will not be casting my vote for such an evil warmongering disaster of the Biden Regime or any of it's cohorts.
I do however believe that Trump has been targeted unfairly by the demented leftist machine who tried to rig the election in their favor to anoint Hillary Clinton and was stung by just how disliked she was. In order to justify their actions they lied and lied and then lied to cover up their lies.
The only reason a clown such as Trump was elected is because of how terrible of a candidate and person Hillary Clinton was.
Biden who didn't campaign, but held up in a basement won due to taking advantage of ballet harvesting, wide scale mail-in ballots, flawed election procedures among other ethically dubious activities.
The evidence is in the vast increase of ballots cast through questionable, although semi-legal methods. I do not believe that the election was stolen as Trump claims, but do believe that The Biden campaign and the DNC acted unethically to setup an environment where they could rig the election in their favor.
As with many firsts, the woke leftist act in pursuit of their goal regardless of the ethics their actions. The result is the only thing that matters to them. They naively believe that they are immune to the methods that they use to being used against them and are indignant when karma strikes back at them.
While I don't like either the Republican or Democrat parties, there is a larger percentage of ethical Republican politicians than Democrat politicians, but the number is still quite small.
I am so over the Democrat party and ashamed for voting for them and what the party has become.
If you want to understand why any percent thinks any charges of any nature should have come from this, remember Churchill's quip about '..a five minute conversation with the average voter...'.
I'm not the first to hit on this idea, but for Sullum to approach the topic as if the public intelligently and soberly assesses the facts and strength of an indictment before deciding whether OrangeManBad deserves to go to prison, is at best naive and at worst incredibly stupid. That's not how people's brains work.
The main conclusion one can draw from this article is, the American people are uninformed, do absolutely no research for themselves instead choosing to get their opinions from whatever media they digest or political party they support, and finally, know absolutely nothing about the law. A secondary conclusion, based on the fact this isn't the first article of its type, is there has been no improvement in that behavior.
It would be politics to not indict Trump. He has bullied us and whipped up the threat of mobs to the point that we are surprised any DA would challenge him.
So why would he go through all those complex techniques of paying Damiels via Cohen if not something illegal? First he lies and denies it all. Now he tries to convince us it was to keep it away from Melania. Seriously? Does anyone really believe that? They even have it on record that he discussed this with Pecker as a way of helping the campaign. The whole catch-and-kill thing.
So we know he was up to no good. We also know that he could easily plea this one out. This is what regular Americans are forced to do every darn day. He will not go to jail for this. Why won't the media report that? We are so transfixed by this crook that stooges are defending Trump left and right. The rule-of-law party is folding daily. Before, AOC was evil for borrowing a dress. Today it is okay to accept millions in trips from billionaires if you are on the supreme court. Trump breaks the law and we are all eager to let him off the hook. Ridiculous.
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"It would be politics to not indict Trump. He has bullied us and whipped up the threat of mobs to the point that we are surprised any DA would challenge him."
Lying piles of TDS-addled shit like this should be required to keep their heads up their asses so thos of us not afflicted can easily identify them.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Most Americans are morons.
Should we be surprised that people who support the Dems also support two-tiered justice systems?
Complete bullshit. I guess the "survey" was conducted on college campuses.
I defy anyone to name ONE individual that is swayed by the weakness of the case. I defy anyone to name anyone polled that has a clue what the indictment claims.
Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg filed a federal lawsuit against Rep. Jim Jordan on Tuesday, accusing the Republican of a “transparent campaign to intimidate and attack” him over his prosecution of former U.S. president Donald Trump.
Bragg, a Democrat, is asking a judge to invalidate subpoenas that Jordan, the chair of the House judiciary committee, has or plans to issue as part of an investigation of Bragg’s handling of the case, the first criminal prosecution of a former U.S. president.
https://worldabcnews.com/manhattan-district-attorney-sues-republican-jim-jordan-over-trump-prosecution/
I wonder if he ever heard of the speech and debate clause.
Alvin Bragg is just another organ grinder monkey for George Soros.
All this proves is yet once again, there are voters who see the word TRUMP and believe the good and others the bad but in addition to that, proof Americans have no idea how their judicial system works and continue to get their education from a biased media.
None of this would be happening if Trump had never decided to run for POTUS again. However a certain amount of this persecution of DJT is based on revenge for Hillary's loss to Trump. Trump stole the Presidency from Hillary as she was entitled to it. It was her entitlement, she was owed this and Trump stole it form her, that is the majority of the voters rejected Hillary and elected Trump. This has driven the democrats completely mad and enraged. They want vengeance, they want revenge, they don't care who gets hurt, the Dems want their twisted form of justice. They want blood.
No, there will be a long string of appeals if the kangaroos find Trump guilty.
Did they not send the talking point to Jacob as a prank to see how retarded of a take he’d throw out?
I would be about 10% sad, 30% impressed, and 60% amused if the media started eating their own to regain credibility like this. Maybe more 5-30-65,
Thats:
"Assholes who are so self important they should be ignored"
SRG among them.
SRG? Fuck off and die. Your mommy said you were smart. She lied; you are a proven ignoramus.