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Ain't it grand to have a resilient libertarian journal of opinion?
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https://www.revolver.news
Not terribly surprising to see you pushing Revolver News. It is run by a right-wing racist and conspiracy theorist. There is very little "libertarian" about it. It is just paranoid and offensive.
A little bit of the story about Revolver News' founder, Darren Beattie:
https://www.thebulwark.com/even-as-his-big-conspiracy-theory-crumbles-darren-beatties-star-continues-to-rise-in-trump-world/
“pushing Revolver News. It is run by a right-wing racist and conspiracy theorist.”
Jeff then proceeds to prove it by posting a link to The Bullwank, run by neocon warmonger Bill Kristol, who has a boner for invasions, conspiracy theories like Iraq WMDs and a pathological bigotry against Arabs.
Jeff’s a fucking cartoon character.
Bill Kristol, a Jew, paid thousands of dollars for his daughter's Jewish wedding at the Ritz Carlton, in DC. Not a temple, not the bride or groom's home, backyard or outdoor courtyard, as Jewish traditions dictate, but the flashy, over the top, gaudy Ritz Carlton. So yeah, he is supremely qualified to moralize to Americans. The Bullwank is gaudy bullshit just like Bill Kristol
As I have the radical statist muted because he brings nothing to the table, I assume his statement has no links to any article by revolver proving whatever his point was. While dismissing the point that revolver has proven the FBI had a huge roll in pushing the j6 insurrection narrative, and proving that the cdc withheld and lied about the wuflu data.
Edit
Please note revolver has showen this to be true way before it became accepted, and by accepted I mean it got so outrageous they couldn't lie anymore
Yes we know. You think "libertarianism" means "conspiracy mongering with a side of racism". It's because of people like you that libertarianism has a bad name.
Which articles specifically do you believe to be lies?
Oh look, a bad-faith question from a bad-faith troll.
You said it was filled with conspiracy mongering. You provided no examples. You made a bald claim and then cry like a bitch when asked for an example.
Look at Chemjeff "bad faith" Individualist try to dodge Jesse's question by accusing him of doing the same exact thing he is doing.
He can't help it.
You have to wonder what motivates him to keep coming back. Is he trying to "save" us?
It’s his job.
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That’s not a bad faith question….
Darren Beattie:
"Tim Scott needs to learn his place and take a KNEE to MAGA"
"Ibram Kendi needs to learn his place and take a knee to MAGA. Learn his proper role in our society"
"BLM must take a knee to MAGA. They must learn their place"
"Kay Cole James of Heritage Foundation needs to learn her natural place and take a KNEE to MAGA"
https://www.thebulwark.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Field2.png
What do all four of these examples have in common? Hmm I wonder. And what does it mean for them to "learn their place"? Hmm?
You posted an article, calling it good, that said we need more dark brandon. Lol.
So still no cites?
Jeff has tons of anti trump neocon cites. And figured out why. Bill Kristol is being passed around by leftist blue checkmarks this morning.
You're literally using demagoguery from a magazine run by an actual right-wing racist and conspiracy theorist to try and prove that Revolver is run by a right-wing racist and conspiracy theorist.
Unlike the Revolver guy, Bill Kristol knowingly lied as he banged the war drums that led to a million Iraqis dead. This is who Jeff holds up as a moral arbiter.
Lol. The bulwark. Can't even parody jeff anymore.
hilarious. You all are just reflexively opposed to whatever I say, aren't you?
I mean, you aren't denying that Darren Beattie tweeted that Tim Scott and Kay Cole James, both Black conservatives, need to "learn their place" and "take a knee to MAGA". It shows what a racist scumbag he is. You instead are spending all your time bitching about the Bulwark and Bill Kristol. That is how you defend Team Red without having to do the work in defending their arguments. You just throw enough sand in the air and try to confuse and misdirect the conversation so that it is twisted away from the objectionable claim made by your Team Red tribalists. I think the correct term is deflect, right?
You did that yesterday with the Posobiec tweet. I pointed out that he lied by not pointing out that both sides had access to the user censorship tool on Twitter. Instead you wanted to spend all the time talking about how the tool was not used equally. You tried to steer the entire conversation away from his lies in his defense.
That is why both you and ML are mendacious assholes. You are both on Team Red but too chickenshit to admit it directly, and you both deflect for the right whenever an uncomfortable truth is revealed about them.
This is why you accuse me and Sarc of "deflecting for the left". Because you are projecting. It is exactly what you do for the right.
Regardless of any other issues, are you willing to state that Posobiec is a lying propagandist, and Darren Beattie is a racist scumbag? Yes or no?
Yes, I can’t imagine libertarians and conservatrians being against fucking Neocon warmongers like Bill “Iraqi WMD’s” Kristol.
Another yapping collectivist I'd never heard of. It seems like all of the ku-klux kollectivist carpet-biting and and endless droning, whining East German People's State cant spews forth from the invention Herbert Hoover tested live in 1927: TV. So... "no teevee, no brainwashee" sounds more and more like a word from the wise.
"A little bit of the story about Revolver News’ founder, Darren Beattie:
https://www.thebulwark.com"
I know exactly zero about Beattie.
I DO know that the Bulwark cannot be trusted on any topic.
https://www.spiked-online.com
Forgot mises.org
Ahhh I did
I've been looking for something like that.
My reaction, precisely.
I was going to be disappointed if some variation of this wasn’t the first post.
"Ain't it grand to have a resilient libertarian journal of opinion?"
Lulz
Funny stuff.
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Ain't it grand to have a resilient libertarian journal of opinion?
Came to say what everyone else has; who are they and where can we find them?
I've been spending more and more time reading stuff from the Brownstone Institute lately.
Jeffrey Tucker is more of a libertarian in his pink fingernail than most of these assholes are in all their bodies combined.
The Democratic Party was so concerned about misinformation and election interference that the leaders lobbied the media to lie to American citizens to ensure their candidate became president.
The Ministry of Truth was far more sinister than we were told
"During his testimony in May, Mayorkas claimed that the Ministry of Truth had only been in its planning stages and that the board “had not yet met” to plan any actions. But the leaked documents show that the board had initially met on Feb. 4, 2022, and had continued to schedule weekly meetings thereafter, despite not having been formally approved or established.
Further, the documents indicate that the board’s plans to partner with the Big Tech companies were “far more extensive” than Mayorkas or the Biden administration ever revealed. The Disinformation Board planned to meet with Nathaniel Gleicher of Meta, who was in charge of the company’s security policy group when they acted to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story."
You mean like the CIA funding Google development?
WATCH: Apple CEO Tim Cook ignores our questions on China as zero-COVID lockdown protests rage in the country. Full video
Somebody has to suck little yellow dicks. At least Cook already likes dicks.
Test
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So, great for a POC, OK for a white suburban kid, but terrible for an Asian-American.
Reason Rundown
Elon Musk: Twitter acting by itself to suppress free speech is not a 1st amendment violation, but acting under orders from the government to suppress free speech, with no judicial review, is
How about if just responding to government suggestions and threats?
In all cases it's the administration violating the first amendment, not Twitter. They were just vile and disgusting for going along with it, instead of telling the FBI and the administration to fuck off.
There's a lot of directors who need impeaching.
As is pointed out here frequently, the Bill of Rights does not create our rights; it only obligates the government to respect them. You can violate someone's right to freedom of expression without violating the First Amendment.
Um, yes. By directors I meant FBI, etc.
https://twitter.com/scotthortonshow/status/1598913872542535680?t=qMlDYY96IiG2KN4MqjSCbw&s=19
The FBI crushing the laptop story was their sabotage of the GOP's October surprise.
But don't forget the FBI's October Surprise of their own, on behalf of the Democrats: the entirely fake kidnapping and murder plot by Trump supporters against the Dem lady governor of Michigan.
What was the surprise? Everyone with a brain already knew the Biden family is a bunch of traitorous pedofiles
The harsh truth of it all:
https://twitter.com/emeriticus/status/1599032857116413957?t=xxSvFK5fqvBP5RyIXp_yaw&s=19
What people are going to come to grips with as Elon Musk confirms what we already know about Twitter meddling in elections, and what the SBF affair is also highlighting, is that truth doesn’t matter. Power matters. Truth alone doesn’t bring people to account.
“Can you believe Twitter did this / Can you believe how SBF and everyone involved are getting kid gloves”
Yes I can, because one side is very serious and the other side is not
Sam Francis wrote that the right is “uxoriously wedded” to the notion that ideas have consequences, which is why, I think, the right also believes truth alone matters more than it does in reality
From the comments:
"But the crux of the biscuit is the FBI/CIA directed Twitters meddling in the election, just like they allowed SBF to operate without repercussions in exchange for laundering Ukraine and other CIA foreign warlords money. And the FBI/CIA control media & regulators"
Delenda Carthago
But "consequences" are racist white-privilege thinking!
Reason Rundown
8. By 2020, requests from connected actors to delete tweets were routine. One executive would write to another: “More to review from the Biden team.” The reply would come back: “Handled.”
Mark my words, they're definitely going to kill Musk.
Musk, Taibbi and Greenwald didn't kill themselves.
Actually neither did Epstein.
Sam Bankman-Fried: I don’t know where $10 billion dollars went
The Pentagon: We don’t know where $2.2 trillion dollars went
The IRS: You just sent $601.37 don’t forget to report it.
The dems are covering for that fraud now. First his fluff redemption tour then Maxine asking him nicely if he has time to come talk to her committee.
The guy handpicked by Fauci for a softball interview wants to talk tough now...
https://twitter.com/robbysoave/status/1598870910647214080?t=IVdNNdUvBdmVO6JVQP9_IA&s=19
How broken do you have to be to think that shedding some new light on the archetypical case of online censorship run amok reflects a "disgraceful downfall"?
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"Ain't it grand to have a resilient libertarian journal of opinion?"
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"Ain't it grand to have a resilient libertarian journal of opinion?"
Spiked - online has been a real rock in my time of need for libertarian commentary I must say.
This is how it's done.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/11/30/the-unconscionable-barbarism-of-cancel-culture/
"She says the problem we face in the West right now is not the jackboot of government tyranny pressed on the throat of free debate. It’s social conformism. It’s the overbearing pressure to adhere to ‘the collectively sanctioned attitudes and behaviours of this era’. ‘The biggest threat to speech today is not legal or political, but social’, she says. She recognises this is ‘not a new idea’: ‘When John Stuart Mill warned against “the tyranny of prevailing opinion and feeling”, it reads as though he foresaw the threat that orthodoxy poses today.’ But the ‘present manifestation’ of this ‘social censure’ is, she says, especially severe. It desires nothing less than the permanent banishment from society – that is, the cancellation – of anyone caught deviating from sanctioned thought."
But this is "libertarian-flavored" (or "flavoured" since it's British). It sounds libertarian-ish, but when you dig into it just a little bit, you see it's really just right-wing culture war advocacy with a libertarian veneer.
For instance.
The author of the article that you cited says that social conformity is a threat to free speech, and that "cancel culture" is the enforcer of that conformity. But if you think about it, when someone says something offensive, both the speaker AND those who wish to "cancel" the speaker are exercising their own liberties unrestrained and unfettered. So what is the *libertarian* argument for taking a side either way?
Alice says: "I think the Jews are evil."
Bob says: "I think your words are offensive, and I will write to your employer and demand that you be fired for your hateful views."
One can condemn both Alice's speech for its hate and Bob's speech for its overreaction, but both Alice and Bob have every liberty to say and do what they did. Do they not? Shouldn't *libertarians* be defending the *liberty* of BOTH Alice and Bob, while not agreeing with their views or methods?
There is most certainly a *utilitarian* argument in favor of more speech and against cultural conformity - the more speech we have, the greater flourishing of ideas, the wider diversity of thought, the more creative works of art that are produced from a more vibrant and dynamic society. But those aren't libertarian arguments.
That is why Spiked Online and places like it are merely "libertarian-flavored". They will make arguments that are ostensibly agreeable to libertarians - we like free speech, right? Who among us doesn't? But their arguments are not in defense of liberty for its own sake, their arguments are in defense of a right-wing view of culture. That is the problem here.
So, the "right" to silence others is the same as the right to freedom of expression? Does it hurt when you "think"?
From my example above:
* Bob has the liberty to denounce Alice's bigoted comments.
* Bob has the liberty to send a letter to whomever he chooses, including Alice's employer, advocating for whatever Bob wishes to advocate for, including firing Alice.
* Alice's employer has the liberty to choose to associate with Alice on any terms that he/she wishes (consistent with any employment contract), including but not limited to firing Alice for any reason whatsoever that he/she chooses.
Of these three statements above, which do you believe violates Alice's liberty?
Once again, supporting one's ability to exercise one's rights is not the same as supporting the merits of the exercise itself.
If you want to argue that "Bob shouldn't try to get Alice fired", then I would agree with you.
If you want to argue that "It is *unlibertarian* for Bob to try to get Alice fired", then I would not agree with you.
So, the “right” to silence others is the same as the right to freedom of expression? Does it hurt when you “think”?
Of these three statements above, which do you believe violates Alice’s liberty?
Did the mafia do anything bad when they discussed their concerns about bad stuff happening to people or businesses that they disliked?
No, according to Jeffy's "reasoning", discussing a "hit" with a hit man, and other criminal conspiring, is OK and doesn't violate anyone's rights because freedom of speech means you can say whatever you want.
Difficulty. This is the government sending the letter under the threat of regulation.
But you're a statist so you don't mind. It wasn't only Biden's campaigns sending letters dumbfuck.
What? No more bears in trunks?
Are the bears Jewish?
If cheering on the forwarding of all taxpayer funded benefits including but not limited to state-funded healthcare, housing assistance and various and other sundry publicly funded welfare benefits to illegal immigrants is "real libertarianism", then I'll take the libertarian veneer over the warmed-over Marxism that Reason has slipped into.
If cheering on the forwarding of all taxpayer funded benefits including but not limited to state-funded healthcare, housing assistance and various and other sundry publicly funded welfare benefits to illegal immigrants is “real libertarianism”
No, it's not. But speaking personally, I also don't think it is the end of the world.
I don't quite understand this fixation that right-leaning libertarians have against welfare benefits for illegal immigrants.
I understand that state-run welfare itself is unlibertarian. Got it. But it's native-born citizens who consume WAY more state-provided welfare than illegal immigrants do. From a purely empirical point of view, if the problem is the welfare itself, wouldn't it be the native-born citizens who consume welfare be the ones who ought to be the biggest targets of ire?
But that is hardly ever the case. Right-leaning libertarians will talk about ending the welfare state, sure, but it will be the welfare that goes to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS which triggers the DEFCON 1 diatribes. Why is that, especially since they don't consume nearly as much welfare as the native-born citizens do?
My personal opinion on the matter is that it's because the right-leaning libertarians around here approach liberty fundamentally from a right-leaning perspective, meaning, that liberty is owed only to those who are morally worthy of it. Because the illegal immigrants are "illegal", that means they are even less morally worthy of receiving welfare benefits. Welfare benefits shouldn't exist at all, but if they do, they should go hierarchically to those who are most morally worthy of them first and foremost. That seems to be the right-leaning libertarian position on the matter at least as far as I can observe. That welfare for illegal immigrants generates way more rage than welfare for anyone else because the illegal immigrants are viewed as less morally worthy of receiving the benefits.
Am I wrong?
People seem to thrive on having a dehumanized "other" to blame for all the bad things in life. The people you're talking about found their "other" in the form of persons without papers. If welfare was suddenly cut off to people living in the country without permission from federal bureaucrats, they'd find a new class of people to dehumanize.
Libertarians for welfare. Jeff and you seem to be completely on board.
As usual you deliberately misinterpret what was said. One of these days you'll say something truthful and I'll fall of my chair.
You are too stupid to understand the argument actually being presented.
As usual you're just stirring the pot, stalking people and goading them.
He's not stupid. He'd deliberately dishonest. There's a difference.
This is rich, coming from the lying fuck who demanded examples of his drunken trolling, and then muted them when provided so he could pretend he never was given any.
If he was stupid he'd get it right once in a while like a broken clock. The fact that he twists around every single argument put forth to him leads me to believe it is deliberate. It's not stupidity. It's mendacity.
Yeah you’re right. Calling him merely stupid is giving him too much credit.
Although he is quite stupid as well as dishonest.
Your argument is literally people shouldn’t care about an ever expanding welfare state. You stated that in your first post jeff.
It is amazing watching you clowns rationalize leftist support.
Are either of you even aware of the concept of charity? Honestly question. Because you keep expressing that it is moral or fine to have government impose charity on others.
Are either of you even aware of the concept of charity? Honestly question. Because you keep expressing that it is moral or fine to have government impose charity on others.
It's not an honest question because I never once said I support government charity. I doubt you've ever asked an honest question in your entire life.
Sarc, did you read Jeff's first post before you started to join him?
I'll bet that the drunken white-knighting fuck never did. He just wanted to troll you, and now he's stuck spewing bullshit again.
Your argument is literally people shouldn’t care about an ever expanding welfare state.
not my argument.
learn to read.
better yet, learn not to be a mendacious asshole.
More or less.
If left-wingers have a 'hierarchy of oppression', then right-wingers have a 'hierarchy of moral worth'.
At the top of the hierarchy are "normal people", i.e., people just like themselves. They are entitled to all of the liberty. I think that is one reason why they continually refer to themselves as "true patriots" and "real Americans", as a type of signaling device to remind everyone that THEY are the ones at the top of the hierarchy.
And at the bottom of the hierarchy are the "abnormal people". This includes foreigners, but also atheists, gays, transgenders, liberals (i.e., "radical communist Marxists"). They are not entitled to the full panoply of liberty because they are not morally worthy of it. The right-wingers will permit those at the lower ends of the hierarchy to think that they have some liberty, but it is really a grant of permission rather than a genuine entitlement to liberty. The moment that one of them starts demanding true liberty, i.e., an atheist group complaining about religious Christian Christmas displays at government buildings, the liberty grant of permission will be snapped back and they will be told to submit to their "proper" place in the hierarchy.
And at the very bottom of the hierarchy are foreigners. They are not citizens, they are barely people.
It's possible for those in the bottom of the hierarchy to rise in the ranks, but to do so they have to earn their spot by adopting the habits and traditions of the "normal" people at the top of the hierarchy. That means doing things that "real patriots" do - live in the suburbs or rural areas, go to church, own guns, watch football (the REAL football, not the pansy-ass soccer), drink cheap beer, etc. And of course vote for the correct team, Team Red. In doing so those at the bottom of the hierarchy can successfully mask their disqualifying characteristic, i.e., being gay or non-Christian, with all of their other qualifying traits to earn a higher spot on the hierarchy.
This hierarchy of moral worth also explains, I think, why Trump was so popular on the right. Because he was willing to say out loud, in so many words, that yes, there IS this hierarchy, and you are on top of it, and I will remember that and use power to ensure that you remain at the top of the hierarchy.
God damn the sophistry you present. Lol.
unified theory of grievance?
Everything is so terrible and unfair.
Cancel culture is mob rule, and libertarianism shuns mob rule.
But it's not mob "rule". It is not the government dictating that Alice be fired.
If 100 people all write to Alice's employer demanding that she be fired, is that a violation of anyone's liberty? I say no. It is not a wise course of action but it doesn't violate anyone's liberty.
Fine. Call it the heckler's veto. Regardless it's a vocal minority using intimidation to influence others. Not something I would call libertarian.
In my example above, whose liberty has Bob violated?
Cancel culture is more than just one person complaining. It's a heckler's veto, or mob justice. The goal is to shut someone out of society completely. If they get their way their target can't work, can't go to restaurants without being hassled, is otherwise unable to provide for themselves, and potentially kills themselves in despair.
That's not a violation of liberty?
Well, it depends.
If Alice can't get a job because the government has made it illegal for a company to hire her, then yes that is a deprivation of her liberty.
If Alice can't get a job because she is having a hard time finding an employer willing to hire her because of the negative comments that she made, then no that is not a deprivation of her liberty. It is unfortunate for Alice but it isn't a violation of her rights.
There is no right to a job. There is no right to be hired by someone else.
Now, there have long been those on the left who think that there SHOULD be a right to a job, from a socialist perspective. And frankly I think there are some on the right who are inching closer to the idea that also there ought to be a right to a job, but from the point of view of "fighting wokeness".
I think you're missing the point.
Yes, he's impervious to the idea that anyone other than the government can violate someone's rights or deprive them of liberty.
Then what precisely is the rights violation?
Does Alice have a right to a job?
Does Alice have a right to "participate in society" (whatever that means)?
Hmm:
“Want to join the conversation? Only spiked supporters, who donate regularly to us, can comment on our articles.”
Guess that’s why you hang out here.
I am definitely grateful that a magazine like Reason exists. I just made a donation.
The way I see it, Reason is a magazine that attempts to reach the “libertarian-curious”. The target reader is not the already-committed libertarian. This reader has likely never read Atlas Shrugged, has never heard of Mises or Rothbard or Friedman. This reader likely approaches politics and economics from a very conventional mindset, with conventional assumptions. Assumptions such as:
“Well of course government has to regulate companies. Otherwise they will produce poisoned food and kill people!” “Well of course government has to tax the rich. Otherwise the rich will have too much power to influence society!”
Etc. You know, the default assumptions that most politicians rely on.
So the typical Reason article might try to get this target reader to start to challenge these assumptions in a gentle way. The surest way to get a curious but skeptical reader to start challenging their own assumptions is with hard data and undeniable facts. That is why IMO so many of the articles here rely on an empirical, almost utilitarian basis for what they advocate. And that can be frustrating for some who want Reason to clearly lay out the moral arguments in favor of, or against, some policy. But the didactic, doctrinaire, ideological argument is not likely to be persuasive to anyone who is not already among the converted.
The way I see it, Reason is a magazine that attempts to reach the “libertarian-curious”.
By way of minimizing actual libertarianism and softballing authoritarian criticism when it comes to the left. It's disgusting.
But of course a far-left authoritarian like you would be happy that they're whoring the old magazine's principles to appeal to the blue checks.
They're staff is made up of the libertarian-curious.
The staff is made up of libertarian-minded people who have matured to the point that facile didactic arguments in favor of some weird ideology most people haven't heard of comes off as loopy to most normal people.
No jeff. That's simply not true. Everyone is on one or the other team. Reason said mean things about Trump, so that means they're all hardcore leftists. It's the only possible explanation.
No, their staff (outside Stossel) is made up of people who think libertarianism is about weed, sex, and food trucks with open borders. A real, proper, grown up libertarian would understand and write about the need to respect civil rights and civil liberties, the need for smaller, more restrained government, and about anti authoritarianism. Instead, we get the joke of ENB, Robby, et.al.
libertarianism is about weed, sex, and food trucks with open borders.
That's part of it, yes.
A real, proper, grown up libertarian would understand and write about the need to respect civil rights and civil liberties
But they do do that. They are constantly criticizing the death penalty, for starters. They are consistently pro-gun-rights. Here is an article just from yesterday about the Fourth Amendment:
https://reason.com/2022/12/02/wildlife-agents-placed-a-camera-on-his-property-without-a-warrant-then-raided-his-home-after-he-removed-it/
the need for smaller, more restrained government
But they do. They have consistently been against Biden's big spending, against his student loan plan, against the Green New Deal, against most if not all of the new regulations.
and about anti authoritarianism.
I will say that they could do a better job describing authoritarian influences that originate beyond government, so you get half a point there.
But I understand why you are upset - because they don't approach those issues from a right-wing perspective. You are probably mad that they haven't devoted more time talking about the Jan. 6 rioters held in prison for long stretches of time. Guess what, they are being treated like every other prisoner in the DC system, which is, very shabbily. You would not know that if you only heard the right-wing media narrative on the matter. And Reason has been very good about the need for criminal justice reform and how ALL prisoners, not just the Jan. 6 rioters, deserve better treatment. But no, they don't approach it the way Team Red does - focusing only on the Jan. 6 crowd and not on any of the rest. AND THEY SHOULDN'T either. Because if they were to just adopt Team Red narratives for all of their reporting then what would be the point? They'd be just like all of the other right-wing outlets out there.
Two other common trends I see from the commenters here who regularly criticize Reason: – They want Reason to “condemn” this or that violation of liberty. They will often post links to right-leaning libertarian and right-wing publications that engage in passionate diatribes. It’s disappointing to them that Reason has a calm, considerate style that at most rises to a snarky rant once in a while.
– They expect Reason to have a rigid editorial stance. Again, they link to publications that have a very controlled editorial view of all political matters. It doesn’t compute with them that Reason writers have their own personalities and views. When a lone Reason writer says something they don’t agree with, they often attribute that writer’s opinion to the entire Reason organization.
Always have to be gentle when criticizing the government. That's how change is made according to jeff. Sure you can also sometimes cover and submit to them, but as long as there is gentle criticism it all washes out.
So tear-streaked Trumpanzees crying "We Wuz Robbed" aren't racking up converts to girl-bullying Christian National Socialism, shoot-first prohibitionism and Uncle Sam as DEA Agent of the World? Sad.
Can anybody translate this comment? I'm not proficient in gibberish. Thanks in advance.
Ask sarc to translate his posts.
Hank's stuck in the early 90's when the biggest threats to free speech were the Moral Majority hating on Hustler and Tipper Gore hating on rap.
I’m waiting for a callback from the early 1930s. They’re fluent in Hankonese.
chinese ai in need of version update or abilify shortage
How does Reason.com compare to the other political writing you promote here?
Is it better or worse than The Bulwark? You know, the site you linked above. The one co-founded by Bill Kristol, who thought the Iraq War was such a terrific idea he wrote an entire book advocating it.
Better or worse than BrooklynDad's Twitter?
Better or worse than this essay you just had to share because it contains insights like "If America’s very, very lucky — and if Joe Biden, and his alter ego, Dark Brandon, are incredibly adept, perhaps America retains some semblance of democracy."
Ooo look, it's a zinger from Unmasked OBL!
I think this is a case where you offer nothing to the conversation and instead only want to stir the pot of outrage. Your lame attempt here is to try to provoke me into some sort of defensive outrage where you are finally able to prove to the world that I am no different than AOC or Bernie Sanders. Is that the basic gist of the idea here?
Here is the real reason why you finally had to hang up the OBL hat. Because your satire could no longer adequately convey the utter hatred that you have towards the enemies of your tribe.
Answer her questions jeff. Your accusing other people of being right wing above. You have no leg to stand on. Well maybe the left one.
Answer the fucking question, Jeff.
Sandra effectively dismantled your "source", and now you're just calling names because you don't have a defense for what you posted.
"I think this is a case where you offer nothing to the conversation"
True, citing your links is not beneficial to any conversation. Ever.
So the typical Reason article might try to get this target reader to start to challenge these assumptions in a gentle way.
OMEGALUL. They don't even do that.
They do all the time.
Yes it is grand! I can remember way back when we had an actual pro-choice Libertarian Party to vote with and donate to in 2016. Then came the Beavis 'n Boothead anarcho-communist infiltration and goodbye platform, ballot access and spoiler vote clout. That opened the gates for Germany's failed Alternative für Deutschland billionaire heirs to stage a girl-bullier Austrian Anschluss and inject smaller, harder, angrier Tea Party Republicanism into the LP while nationalizing our real estate. Reason is all we have left.
Anyone else think lib translator is the sqrl with a broken caplock button?
Same sort of insanity, and they're both older than dirt and think the world still operates under the same paradigm it did thirty years ago. However, weirdly enough they both occasionally scrap.
I guess crazy old men get territorial.
I was convinced that Hanky was Mikey Hihn, until Hihn mercifully died, unmourned. It's now clear he's just another delusional mental patient of the sort that the Libertarian Party attracts like flies to shit. SQRSLY is sarcasmic, and you goddamn well fucking know that, so stop buying into his fake persona. He's literally cross-posted his copypastas from his SQRSLY handle to his sarcasmic handle socking-while-drunk. While we're at it, stop pretending chemjeff isn't cytotoxic. Call these sockpuppeting faggot pieces of shit by their actual names.
It’s Hank.
Ain't it grand to have a resilient libertarian journal of opinion?
Uh...yeah.
Oh, come on. Everyone knows that disagreement with one team equals support for the other team. That's why progressives feel libertarians to be hardcore conservatives, and conservatives feel libertarians to be hardcore progressives. It's as if libertarians are a a Starburst commercial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSFudQ_HOQI
Your trolls really have no varity, huh?
That's not entirely true. Sometimes in a drunken stupor he mixes it up by posting his sarcasmic copypasta from his SQRSLY sock and his SQRSLY copypasta from his sarcasmic sock.
How much room for tolerance of leftists as they continue marching toward totalitarianism do we have left?
Live and let live is not an option. It's been taken completely off the table.
Says the fervent supporter of authoritarianism.
So are you going to be the John Brown of Civil War II?
Boy, did the Democrats hate John Brown. Still do from the looks of it.
So since we're on the subject of social media and censorship, here's a thought experiment for you all to consider.
Suppose you are Elon Musk in charge of Twitter. A government agency approaches you - let's say it's the FDA - with a claim that they have performed tests on Acme Brand baby formula and have found that it has harmful chemicals in it. They say that while they are trying to get the word out to warn people not to use the baby formula, they also ask that you not only stop accepting advertising from Acme company, but that you remove tweets that are praising or promoting Acme baby formula. The intent, they claim, is to save lives. So you go to the Acme CEO to get their side of the story. They say that the FDA's tests are inconclusive (and probably fraudulent), they have run their own tests and they have not found the same results that the FDA claims to have found, and that this is all just a political witch-hunt to run them out of business, since they know Acme is a big supporter of the opposition political party, the one not in charge at the moment.
So, what do you do? Do you do nothing? If you do nothing, and the FDA is right and a person buys Acme baby formula based on a recommendation on Twitter, you would be indirectly responsible, at least from a moral point of view, for any harm that comes to that baby. Do you remove the tweets praising Acme baby formula? If you do then you are caving to government pressure to censor 'misinformation' that may or may not be true. However, you *might* be saving some lives as a result. Do you do something else?
This is a terrible example. It's terrible on wheels. The FDA doesn't discover that ACME baby formula kills people, then quietly goes to Jack Dorsey and asks him, politely to stop taking advertising. ACME baby formula is forcibly removed from the shelves and their baby formula factory is shut down.
So sensitive is the question of baby formula advertising in the United States, that it's illegal to market it already.
So, I'm going to steel man your argument a bit and help you out with a better analogy. 'Cause that's just how I roll. It ain't ego, it's just how we go.
Let's say a global pandemic breaks out. Over time, some physicians start looking at repurposed drugs as possibly efficacious for treating COVID-- at which time there is no treatment for covid-- the only treatment is: go home, get bed rest, and if that doesn't work, on the ol' ventilator you go.
Some studies come out of various countries (disputed as to how well performed they are), but there is some evidence that this treatment might be effective. The jury is out, but to be fair, there's not a lot of POSITIVE evidence that says it works. However, the upside is there's a very high safety threshold with this treatment in that if someone takes it for COVID, while it might not help their COVID, it's an almost universally safe drug to ingest with practically zero negative side effects.
The FDA, along with people at the NIH-- many of whom receive royalties from the drug manufacturers who have a direct interest in making sure these out-of-patent, low cost generic alternatives won't be used, get on the phone to the tech companies and say, "Suppress anyone talking about these alternative treatments, because It Has Been Proven That They Are Ineffective, There Is One Answer, And One Answer Only To Covid. The Truth And Science Has Been Settled."
So what do you do? Do you do nothing? Or do you let discussion of these alternative treatments take place, allowing the debate to flesh itself out?
Well Acme got away with selling some pretty nasty shit back in the day. A certain coyote had grounds for multiple lawsuits seems to me.
It is a *thought experiment*. Meaning that it is hypothetical. Of course in the real world the FDA does not go to Elon Musk to ask for tweets to be deleted. But one of the big points of having a hypothetical, thought experiment is to take away the details of an actual issue in real life, in which people have invested emotional and intellectual capital into a position that they are committed into defending, and instead look at the issue more abstractly to explore it in a way that doesn't sound the alarm for everyone to retreat into their previously dug trenches to stake out their positions. Because the point is not just to refight the same trench warfare battles of the past, the point is to look at the issue abstractly and intellectually.
So in your attempt to try to 'steel-man' the issue, you've also ruined it.
So let me try to recover a little bit, because it is an important issue that we libertarians need to talk about.
So let's suppose, in this *hypothetical thought experiment*, there is a global worldwide COVID pandemic, with no known treatment, and some scientists in looking for a treatment come across a generic off-patent drug used for other purposes that showed mixed results in treating COVID. The downside however is that this drug has a very LOW safety threshold, with a ton of potential side-effects, and very careful dosing is required. Let's call this drug "malvermectin".
So now let's suppose, a very powerful politician, let's call him "Frump", goes on TV, and without reviewing these scientific studies, simply using his "gut feeling" about "what he heard", tells the world that he thinks that malvermectin is a wonder drug that should be used to treat COVID.
So then you, as Elon Musk running Twitter, are asked by the CDC and NIH to remove tweets promoting malvermectin as a treatment for COVID. Because there has been a flood of demand for malvermectin after Frump's comments, meaning that patients trying to obtain it for its intended use are having a hard time getting it, and people using malvermectin incorrectly, or people using malvermectin who don't actually have COVID, run a very serious risk of harming themselves.
So, what do you do? Do you censor the malvermectin tweets? Or do you do nothing? Or do you do something else?
It is a *thought experiment*."
No it wasn't. It was your attempt to cast aspersions, make inferences and soft peddle censorship without actually having to defend your statements because it's all just "a thought experiment".
You're not as tricky as you think you are.
So, what is your response to the thought experiment?
Do nothing?
Bring back the bears in trunks analogy.
As I said, it wasn't a thought experiment. It was your attempt to manufacture a catch-22 not based in reality.
The reason why I posed this thought experiment is because I believe most people who scream about free speech and censorship have never seriously confronted the issues surrounding these topics. They have never been in the position of an Elon Musk, who was happy to declare himself a "free speech absolutist " when he had no position of power over Twitter, but now that he's in charge, finds himself in the position of having to ban Kanye after inviting him back, against his previously stated principles. And I don't think you least of all will seriously ponder these issues because all you are invested in doing is tribalist games.
"The reason why I posed this thought experiment is because I believe most people who scream about free speech and censorship have never seriously confronted the issues surrounding these topics."
Here Jeff gives his game away. It wasn't a "thought experiment" at all. It was an attempt to manufacture phony justifications for censorship in order to justify it even a tiny bit.
He (or his boss at the fifty-cent factory) figures getting you to accept censorship based on hypotheticals, means the battle for acceptance of censorship based on real events is 75% won.
When I say Jeff is a Nazi I'm not being hyperbolic.
Here is ML advocating for censorship, in the name of preventing "sexualizing minors":
https://reason.com/2022/07/29/after-censorship-claims-hulu-will-air-democrats-abortion-and-gun-ads/?comments=true#comment-9623873
Here is ML advocating for censorship, in the name of stopping abortion:
https://reason.com/2022/07/11/when-pro-life-becomes-pro-censorship/?comments=true#comment-9593679
So explain again who exactly is trying to dishonestly justify censorship?
The truth of the matter is, unless you are in favor of making it illegal for a property owner to forbid objectionable speech on his/her *own property*, unless you are in favor of making child porn legal, unless you are in favor of having every government document made public including nuclear launch codes, you are in favor of some level of censorship.
Intelligent honest people understand that. The question isn't "censorship, yes or no?" The question is, how much censorship should we tolerate, and under what conditions. That was the whole point of this thought experiment. To explore the bounds of what libertarians should be willing to accept.
FFS even Elon Musk, self-proclaimed "free speech absolutist", finally had to admit he is pro-censorship at least on some level when he banned Kanye after re-inviting him back to Twitter.
Did you guys notice how Jeff gave links but he didn't actually quote me?
That's because he's lying about what I said and is hoping nobody bothers to click the links.
Here's what he's pretending is my advocacy of censorship:
"I think that it does matter for exactly the differences you laid out. Kids are encouraged to roll-play sexual antics, most of the performances are lewd, and people are using children as props for political performance theatre.
Even “just” having drag queens read to kids in libraries can constitute sexual assault when the guy isn’t wearing underwear under his nylons and is flashing the kids.
https://thepostmillennial.com/drag-queen-flashes-young-children-at-drag-queen-story-hour"
"I think that’s fucking fantastic. Ratting out pedophiles and serial killers isn’t “censorship” by any definition, and neither is ratting out babykillers."
See what a dishonest fuck he is?
Of course you do nothing. The default libertarian response to almost everything is that it's not your business to decide for people how to think or pre-process information.
So tell me, what do you think of the concept of negligence?
Negligence is doing nothing when you have an obligation to do something, cytotoxic. Doing nothing when you do not have an obligation to do anything is called not being a Marxist totalitarian piece of shit Karen.
It's pretty funny that a guy who condemns righties for "hierarchical morality" wants to impose a moral judgement on Elon for not being proactively deferential to institutions.
But riddle me this, cytotoxic? What if Elon Musk has a bear in the trunk of his car?
I encourage the FDA to use my platform to disseminate their information. If Acme is dangerous, it's the FDA's job to take appropriate legal action against them. If they come up with conclusive evidence that Acme has been negligent, call me and we’ll talk again.
Because I’m not a fucking fascist. And it's not my job to do the government's work for them.
........you might be misreading the room.
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1599129597311733761?t=5BVSGV4b5ZWtsDDhoYHqMA&s=19
The efforts to keep Donald Trump from being elected, remove him once he was elected, and prevent him from being elected again have done more to damage this country than anything in American history.
The Civil War would like to have a word with you.
The repercussions from the Trump attacks are unfortunately just beginning. You guys essentially destroyed the US in the last seven years.
Destroying "democracy" in order to save it.
True, Saint Lincoln was also a totalitarian piece of shit who suspended constitutional rights to prevent federal supremacy from being questioned, but by every measure of your utilitarian rationalization for single-party dictatorship just mere minutes before this post, the Civil War was an unvarnished good. You've also been caught making that argument as little as 3 years ago when justifying your Year Zero erasure of statues, monuments, grave markers, and historical societies.
“Then he became a media columnist for The New York Times in 2020, and then he bolted again after two years to launch a new publication called Semafor. “
Doesn’t that last one just contain a bunch of signaling?
Oh, look who wants to ignore the Constitution (again).
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/109449803240069864
"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations and articles, even those found in the Constitution."
You are so sad.
sarcasmic already spammed the CNN article ~85 times in the span of a few hours. You two should really coordinate by email or something. Perhaps some kind of a mail list...
Remember the Hammonds? That was the arson case in rural Oregon where they were sentenced to 5 years in prison for arson on federal lands, however the case was rather sketchy. That was the case that was the ostensible justification for the Bundys to take over the Malheur wildlife station. The Hammonds were pardoned by Trump. But, it looks like there might be more to the pardon than originally thought.
https://naturalresources.house.gov/imo/media/doc/2022.12.02%20Grijalva%20Porter%20to%20Haaland%20re%20Hammond%20pardon%20REDACTED.pdf
Gotta pay to play!
How many years were the Antifa terrorists who burned down 7 square blocks of Washington D.C. in January of 2017 sentenced to?
I disdain antifa, but I have to give them credit for being smart enough to wear black hoodies and masks and not post selfies of themselves rioting on social media.
A very reasonable thread about Taibbi's "Twitter Files".
https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/1599070152322338816
Seriously?
Private sector economic advisor. Author of the upcoming book “Cleared for the Option: A Year Learning to Fly”.
And what qualifications does he have when compared to Matt Taibbi who has been watching corrupt politicians his entire journalistic career? Patrick Chovanec is as much as an amateur as you are, twit. You're really trying to reach for straws (or is it strawmen?) here. Why are you (and sarc and Mike) trying so desperately to disprove this? Were you fuckers in on it? Did you fuckers aid and abet the censoring?
It’s all about the team.
Now that you've gotten that out of your system, where do you disagree with him?
Every point?
So you didn't read it.
No, I read that cheap demagoguery
5: Old news.
No need to read further, the narrative is set.
The sad thing about poor cytotoxic is that he's literally like 18 hours late to the party. sarcasmic and Episiarch have been spamming the ActBlue talking points since moments after they hit their inbox. Maybe if cytotoxic wasn't a lardass fat piece of shit who sleeps until 4 PM in his mom's basement he'd be able to get the scoop out in a more timely fashion.
OK, please point out what, and be specific, was new news in Taibbi’s reporting.
Actually, I would say the "new news" part was that the NY Post laptop story was not buried on Twitter at the specific request of any campaign, it was Twitter's own decision to do so, and furthermore it was not a unanimous decision, there was vigorous internal discussion and debate about the wisdom of the action.
What does differentiate Reason from pretty much every left wing media outfit?
Tepid support for gun rights
Support for legalization of "sex work", which likely is something only places like Gawker and such support
Spending , though they still like it for certain things, like free stuff for illegal aliens and museums
Reason's "total support for gun rights" is questionable at best. Remember when "white Hispanic" George Zimnerman killed that young criminal in self defense? Virtually the entire Readon staff was rooting for him to be convicted of murder along with the rest of the lefty media!
Umm, does left wing media spend a lot of time criticizing runaway government spending?
Yes, but depending on which party is in power. Left wingers criticize the government when the Republicans are in power. Right wingers criticize the government when Democrats and RINOs are in power. Maybe you are not old enough to remember the Bush2 and Trump Presidencies?
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