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Reason Roundup

You Can Record Video of Police in Action. But Can You Livestream That Video?

Plus: Court rejects Biden plea on student loan plan, Ohio cops don't understand the First Amendment, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 12.1.2022 9:47 AM

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Lawsuit asks whether livestreaming cops is protected by the First Amendment. It's well-established that Americans have a First Amendment right to record police. But do we have the right to livestream that recording? That's the central question in a case currently before a federal appeals court.

The question stems from a 2018 traffic stop in Winterville, North Carolina. When police pulled over a car in which Dijon Sharpe was a passenger, Sharpe whipped out his phone and started a Facebook Live stream.

One cop tried to grab Sharpe's phone, saying "we ain't gonna do Facebook Live, because that's an officer safety issue."

"Facebook Live … we're not gonna have, okay, because that lets everybody y'all follow on Facebook that we're out here," said another officer. He told Sharpe that "in the future, if you're on Facebook Live, your phone is gonna be taken from you … and if you don't want to give up your phone, you'll go to jail."

"Is that a law?" Sharpe asks in the recording. "That's not a law."

Sharpe is right—there's no law explicitly saying one can't livestream interactions with police officers. But there's also little legal precedent for what happens when one attempts to and cops curtail that attempt.

"No circuit court has yet ruled on whether passengers in traffic stops can be blocked from recording police or on whether live-streaming is different from merely recording," notes The Washington Post.  And the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, which will hear this case, "has not ruled on the right to record at all."

The 4th Circuit heard oral arguments for the case—Dijon Sharpe v. Winterville Police Department—in October.

"This case is important; it's going to affect thousands of thousands," Sharpe's attorney, Andrew Tutt, told the court. "This case has important consequences for every police-citizen interaction in this circuit."

Sharpe said he had wanted to livestream the traffic stop because he thought it was suspicious (the cops said the car's driver ran a stop sign, something Sharpe said did not happen) and because of previous negative interactions he and family members have had with police. His cousin, Dontae Sharpe, was imprisoned for 24 years on murder charges despite a key witness recanting testimony after trial (Dontae was finally released and formally pardoned in 2021). "Since getting involved in efforts to free Dontae, Dijon says his encounters with police grew increasingly hostile, culminating in his being Tasered and beaten by police officers in 2017," notes the Post. "With no video to support his version of events" that time, "he was forced in court to apologize to them."

This time around, Sharpe wanted to make sure there was a real-time recording of events that police could not later alter or delete. After an officer told him this wasn't OK, he sued.

A U.S. district court sided with the cops. "The Fourth Circuit has not held in a published opinion that an individual's right under the First Amendment to record a traffic stop is clearly established, much less held that an individual has a right to record and real-time broadcast a traffic stop from within the stopped car," wrote the judge in an August 2020 decision. Thereby the police could not have known their actions were wrong, and were entitled to qualified immunity.

"Seven federal appellate courts have affirmed that there is a First Amendment right to film the police," notes the Post. "But all said there can be 'reasonable' restrictions on that right, and the U.S. Supreme Court has not clarified what counts."

Sharpe then appealed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit. And a slew of civil liberties organizations have filed briefs on behalf of Sharpe's position.

The appeals court "should hold that…the right to record is not limited to recording for future publication," states the American Civil Liberties Union in one such brief. "Rather, it protects—and, if anything, derives from—the right to publish and disseminate video, including the right to do so instantaneously. The First Amendment protects the choice of when to publish just as it does the choice of what to publish, and whether to publish at all. In other words, the First Amendment protects the right to livestream, which
enables individuals to simultaneously record and broadcast."

"Any reasonable officer should have known that preventing Mr. Sharpe from livestreaming his encounter with police would violate his clearly established First Amendment rights," states a brief from the Institute for Justice. "After all, six federal circuit courts, the Department of Justice ('DOJ'), and numerous local governments have long agreed that the First Amendment protects an individual's right to record police in public."

"Police have great power. Civilian recording of police officers serves the public's vital interest in ensuring that police exercise this power lawfully," states a brief from the National Police Accountability Project.

In holding that qualified immunity applied in this case, "the district court heavily emphasized that the many other cases on this subject did not involve the exact facts as Mr. Sharpe's case—specifically, that he was not just recording the encounter, but also 'real-time broadcasting with the ability to interact via messaging applications in real-time with those watching a traffic stop from inside the stopped vehicle,'" notes the Cato Institute in its brief.

"But this approach to assessing whether rights are clearly established is exactly the sort of misapplication of qualified-immunity precedent that the Supreme Court recently warned against in Taylor v. Riojas," the Cato brief continues. "Taylor reaffirmed that the fundamental question in qualified immunity cases is whether the defendant had 'fair warning' that their conduct was unlawful, not whether there is a prior case with functionally identical facts."

"Unfortunately, the sort of misapplication of qualified immunity employed by the district court—construing 'clearly established law' to effectively require a case with identical facts—is no isolated error, but rather part of an all-too-common practice in lower courts," the brief reads. "That persistent misunderstanding of qualified immunity not only gets the law wrong, but its application to police officers has exacerbated a growing crisis of accountability for law enforcement officers generally."


FOLLOW-UP

Appeals court won't pause ruling against student loan forgiveness plan. After a Texas judge ruled President Joe Biden's student loan debt forgiveness plan unconstitutional, the Biden administration appealed to the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, asking the court to pause the judge's order as the administration's appeal plays out. The court said no.

"A three-judge panel of the 5th Circuit in Wednesday's brief order declined to put Pittman's ruling on hold while the administration appealed his decision, but the court directed that the appeal be heard on an expedited basis," reports Reuters. "The White House had no immediate comment but the administration has said that if the 5th Circuit declined to halt Pittman's order it would ask the U.S. Supreme Court to intervene."


FREE MINDS

Ohio arrests journalist covering murder trial. "An ongoing murder trial involving multiple defendants has resulted in the editor of small local paper being arrested for performing an act of journalism," reports Techdirt.

The case revolves around recorded testimony from one of the defendants, Jake Wagner. In general, "courts permit recordings and broadcasting of criminal trials," but "the relevant exception here is that witnesses can request their testimony not be recorded or broadcast and, if the court agrees, this permission is revoked during this testimony," Techdirt's Tim Cushing explains. Wagner "made this request and had it granted. Nonetheless, someone attending the trial recorded it and passed it on to Derek Myers, who runs the Scioto Valley Guardian."

Myers and the Guardian published some of the audio with this note:

The Guardian received a portion of Jake Wagner's testimony on his first day on the witness stand. The Guardian wants to disclose that the audio was not recorded by a member of the media and was submitted to the Guardian's newsroom by a courthouse source who is authorized to have their cell phone in the room.

Nonetheless, officers with the Pike County Sheriff's Office arrested Myers and seized his laptop and his phone.

Myers was charged with having used the contents of an illegally obtained recording. But the First Amendment protects Myers and his paper from prosecution for merely publishing information or audio of public interest that it obtained legally, even if that audio was illegally obtained by someone.

As Cushing puts it: "This wasn't wiretapping. This was journalism."

While Myers should ultimately beat this, he still "had to post a $20,000 bond, must submit to alcohol/drug tests [???], and keep his schedule open to attend any court hearings until the charges are either dropped, or he's cleared by the court," notes Cushing. "Why must he do this? Because the government is clearly in the wrong, yet has the luxury of being wrong until proven otherwise."


FREE MARKETS

More bad news for the crypto industry: One of the world's largest crypto exchanges, Kraken, is laying off nearly a third of its work force, to the tune of around 1,100 people being let go. CEO and co-founder Jesse Powell called the move necessary "in order to adapt to current market conditions."

"Over the past few years, hundreds of millions of new users entered the crypto space and millions of new clients put their trust in Kraken during that time. We had to grow fast, more than tripling our workforce in order to provide those clients with the quality and service they expect of us," writes Powell in a blog post on the Kraken website. "Since the start of this year, macroeconomic and geopolitical factors have weighed on financial markets. This resulted in significantly lower trading volumes and fewer client sign-ups. We responded by slowing hiring efforts and avoiding large marketing commitments. Unfortunately, negative influences on the financial markets have continued and we have exhausted preferable options for bringing costs in line with demand."


QUICK HITS

• Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D–N.Y.) has been voted House Democratic leader, replacing Nancy Pelosi.

• Officials keep finding new ways to access private records without a warrant.

• Indiana's attorney general continues to try and punish a doctor who provided an abortion to 10-year-old girl.

• "Today might not be a great time to buy a home. Tomorrow might not either," writes Annie Lowrey.

• On the demise of Amazon's Alexa.

• "A new expanded law on 'foreign agents' in Russia comes into force Thursday, signifying an intensifying crackdown on free speech and opposition under President Vladimir Putin that has accelerated as his fortunes in Ukraine have deteriorated," reports CNN.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Lawsuit asks whether livestreaming cops is protected by the First Amendment.

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    3. Stuck in California   3 years ago

      I'd find it mildly amusing to see painted portraits of the era with the painter front and center and the subject over his shoulder, arm outstretched, as though he used a mirror to frame the scene and painted what was in the mirror.

      Anything to mock selfie culture.

      That said, this is an interesting notion. How is it different that you publish it an hour later, in near-real-time, like in five minutes, or in real time, like five seconds. It's yours, you're allowed to record it and publish it.

      So of they want to ban live streams it seems like this isn't an ask for permission thing, it's a government has to make a law and prove that law is constitutional thing.

      1. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

        Taking the "officer safety" angle seriously for a second I'm left asking what kind of cop are you that knowing your personal whereabouts is a risk to safety that isn't there for being on your beat on your shift on uniform and with your marked car?

        1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

          I assume they're concerned that allies of the people detained might show up at the scene and try to interfere.

          1. perlmonger   3 years ago

            Which is impossible to achieve by just texting said friends...

            One of my friends was having his door kicked in by bounty hunters one night, looking for someone who didn't live there, based on the fact that the phone number from 10 years prior at a different address was now at this address. This was ~25 years ago, so, "taking your number with you" wasn't really a thing.

            My girlfriend lived across the street, and I was at her place working on my car when they showed up.

            To make a long story short, when I called the landlord at like, midnight, to tell them that the cops were kicking my friend's door in, the cops got *really* pissed that I was calling someone. I probably nearly got my ass beat (or shot) that night because I was rather upset about the situation and definitely giving lots of flak to the pigs.

            My friend *did* eventually get a settlement from the city, but... yeah. Cops are worried that you're going to have more friends show up than they can have show up.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    ...we ain't gonna do Facebook Live, because that's an officer safety issue.

    "Do you see what Meta does? Ain't nobody got time to float around without no ass!"

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  3. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    No circuit court has yet ruled on whether passengers in traffic stops can be blocked from recording police or on whether live-streaming is different from merely recording...

    No circuit court has put value yet on video evidence that can't be immediately deleted.

    1. IamNotEvil   3 years ago

      Easy work around just call your livestream a news broadcast and yourself a journalist.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

        If you're not regurgitating the police blotter you're not a local journalist, and if you're not amplifying calls to defund police you're not a national journalist.

  4. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1598028946700140545?t=2bpDg50IlbbHcPILmhsqZw&s=19

    The rate of firearm homicides among black men has returned back to what is was during the crime wave of the early 90s.

    [Link]

    1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

      But the FBI hasn't reported on the numbers so there's no way we could actually know that. /Reason

      1. JoeJoetheIdiotCircusBoy   3 years ago

        I'm curious to see how the UCR numbers look in comparison. This study uses data from the CDC. UCR and CDC are not interchangeable. Unfortunately, UCR program is seriously fucked starting in 2021 with the switch to NIBRS...so we probably will never know.

    2. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

      The gov and msm has told me this is a part of black life and I shouldn't care. Same with teen knife fights

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      More white supremacy.

    4. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Democratic policies kill.

    5. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      this actually means it's gotten worse, because since the 90's they've learned how to cook the books better.

      1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago (edited)

        Yeah I agree, they need to show the numbers shot then compare with the homicides. I would think the survival rate is higher now so overall shootings are way up.

    6. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

      It is weird being forced to live through the early '90s again.

      1. perlmonger   3 years ago

        I wouldn't object to going back to the economic growth of the early '90's again...

    7. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      And remember that the actual rate of black-on-black homicide is certainly much higher than the stats show because of the low closure rates of murder cases in high-crime neighborhoods. The race of the killer does not enter the stats unless the killer is prosecuted.

    8. perlmonger   3 years ago

      Well, if they're outlawing abortion everywhere, someone has to do *something* to keep their numbers down and it's cheaper if they cull themselves.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Appeals court won't pause ruling against student loan forgiveness plan.

    With luck it can be unpaused right before the presidential!

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Does suspending payments indefinitely due to never-ending national emergencies count?

    2. Ajsloss   3 years ago

      My student loan website has a notification after I login to give me information on the Biden-Harris Administration's Student Loan Forgiveness. How often have you heard/seen the POTUS Administration hyphenated with the VP? As if to say to all the deadbeats, "don't forget, she's gonna give you freebies too!"

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Harris might be easy, but she does nothing for free.

  6. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    Indiana's attorney general continues to try and punish a doctor who provided an abortion to 10-year-old girl.

    Aborto-freaks rejoice.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      It's not about the abortion, dumbass, it's about the child abuse and patient privacy law violations. Of course, you're a kiddie diddler, so you think nothing's wrong there.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago (edited)

        I don’t know why Plug’s worried about abortion’s for his victims. It’s not like they’re getting out of his basement alive anyway.

        I do realize he's upset that the doctor is being punished for not reporting the child's rape though.

        1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

          The rape and pregnancy had already been reported in Ohio. The Indiana doctor understandably thought that was enough.

    2. R Mac   3 years ago

      I didn’t know you played quarterback.

      https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/florida-qb-jalen-kitna-arrested-on-child-pornography-charges-suspended-indefinitely-from-team/

  7. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    But the First Amendment protects Myers and his paper from prosecution for merely publishing information or audio of public interest that it obtained legally...

    Courtrooms are Bill of Rights free zones. Everyone knows that.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Just like Congress.

      1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

        And airports
        And courtrooms
        And schoolgrounds
        And federal buildings
        And the District of Columbia
        Etc

        1. Ajsloss   3 years ago

          Women's restrooms.

  8. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1598326475500953602?t=0BnLlOiLnky27rsWM5FFpQ&s=19

    The local officials wanted to seal the entrances to the building, he complained about it in a WeChat tenant group, they labeled him anti-government and then came to correct his wrong opinions and send a message. Also his home is now under surveillance

    [Link]

  9. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    More bad news for the crypto industry...

    Like reality hasn't done enough damage.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    One of the world's largest crypto exchanges, Kraken, is laying off nearly a third of its work force...

    And that's how you decentralize.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Does the severance package include a virtual bag of tokens?

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

        Virtual copper pulled from the virtual walls.

  11. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    "Any reasonable officer should have known that preventing Mr. Sharpe from livestreaming his encounter with police would violate his clearly established First Amendment rights,"

    Reasonable police officer? That's a joke, right?

  12. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1598168780458590209?t=DS8ChAlkbXWGaotrvLRgNQ&s=19

    You didn't even print it out. You just wrote it in notes and screenshotted it with the cursor showing. Holy shlit dude

    "@Scott_Wiener
    Not even 24 hours after MAGA grifter Charlie Kirk tweeted homophobic lies about me, I received this threat repeating one of his lies.

    But that was the point: Riling people up against me & other LGBTQ people.

    Words have consequences & Twitter is becoming a cesspool for this crap

    [Pic]"

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Couldn’t make heads or tails of it.

    2. Griffin3   3 years ago

      Looked like drunk tweeting to me.

    3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Hate crimes are in such high demand, most Democrat victims are now having to commit them themselves.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Democrats probably do own the majority of hate.

    4. R Mac   3 years ago

      Lmao. But as one of the responses notes, he’ll face no consequences for this because he’s a Democrat.

  13. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D–N.Y.) has been voted House Democratic leader, replacing Nancy Pelosi.

    The 2016 election denier who won't tolerate election denial?

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Talking point achievement level unlocked.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

        Didn't Hil-Dog concede the day after the election?

        Wingnuts aren't very logical but I don't remember to be honest.

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

          She conceded that Wednesday morning. At the time I thought she was being a sore loser, but we have since found out what levels sore loser-dom can achieve.

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Hillary Clinton refuses to concede election result despite Donald Trump being on the edge of victory

            Several years later:

            Hillary still claims she won 2016 election [video]

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              Hillary Clinton suggests election 'stolen' from her, other Dems could suffer same fate

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                Hillary Clinton to Biden: Don't concede if the election is close

            2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

              Wednesday 09 November 2016 08:04

              At 8:00 am? After an extremely close election where she got over 3 million votes more than her opponent?

              Have you no shame?

              Compare to Fatass moaning that he was cheated two years later.

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                Speaking of no shame, it's neat how you ignored the stories from three and four years later.

                I demonstrated a pattern of a refusal to concede starting with election day 2016 and continuing to Biden's election. But you pretended I only posted one.

                Why?

                Everyone can see the links.

                How did you imagine you were tricking anyone?

          2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            Do you mean illegal actions by government security agencies, incessant grand-standing by congressional members, and all-in media partisanship?

          3. R Mac   3 years ago (edited)
        2. Sevo   3 years ago

          turd lies; it's what turd does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

        3. Zeb   3 years ago

          So what? How is that relevant to whether someone else continued questioning (or as the popular parlance goes these days "denying") the election?

      2. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

        Hypocrites deserve everything but calling out.

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

          By all means, go ahead and call Jeffries out.

          It’s just a bit boring if it keeps getting repeated after, say, his first day, today. There is by no means an equivalence of a couple of whining tweets to Trump and the MAGAs unceasing beating of the “stolen election!!!” drum. Not to mention the fortune in fundraising Trump has made off of his big lie.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

            Caw caw!

          2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

            Cite? l ol

          3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Here's a Long List of Prominent Democrats Refusing to Accept Election Results

          4. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

            Trump no longer has power to fuck things up for me.

      3. JesseAz   3 years ago

        How many reason articles were there on election denials again? How many did you agree with? Yet here... "talking point".

      4. R Mac   3 years ago

        It’s funny you pretend you’re not a lefty shill.

  14. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

    "A new expanded law on 'foreign agents' in Russia comes into force Thursday, signifying an intensifying crackdown on free speech and opposition under President Vladimir Putin that has accelerated as his fortunes in Ukraine have deteriorated," reports CNN.

    Aren't you the same cunt that is telling people to switch to mastadon because you hat that Twitter is allowing free speech?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Dude, don't you know how to do principles? Start with the partisan opinion, and work backwards. Even easier when a "bad man" can be blamed.

  15. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Gay politician in California who has authored legislation to lower penalties for pedophilia posts threatening email recieved from MAGA supporters. Leaves cursor prompt in image of self written letter.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Scott_Wiener/status/1598089123742781442

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      He's now claiming he was transcribing a voicemail he got. When people are asking him why he didn't just post the audio file, he's explaining "fuck off, that's why".

      1. perlmonger   3 years ago

        He hadn't found a voice actor he could pay to record it for him yet.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Officials keep finding new ways to access private records without a warrant.

    That flat roadbump known as the rubber stamp judge is just to inconvenient.

    1. rloquitur   3 years ago

      That was funny!

      1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

        You mean the mistyped "to"? I sadly agree.

  17. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Hobbs officially threatens criminal penalties against election officials who won't certify the election she helped run for her candidacy to governor.

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/arizona-gov-elect-hobbs-threatened-county-board-certify-her-election-or

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      No widespread corruption.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        No unofficial corruption.

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Sarcasmic swears this is on the up-and-up.

    3. JasonAZ   3 years ago

      Funny, Boehm didn't mention this in his article today. I wonder why?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Because Boehm is a Progressive LINO.

  18. JesseAz   3 years ago

    EPA officially quadrupled government cost estimate if carbon to make it easier to offset spending against costs.

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/environment/cha-ching-epa-quietly-quadruples-regulatory-cost-carbon-emissions-new

  19. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Stephen_Geiger/status/1597995546165547009?t=oouzlgPMGA88fkqXslqvig&s=19

    The IRS is warning Americans that this tax season they must report payments on Venmo, PayPal & Zelle of over $600.

    Meanwhile…

    The Pentagon just failed its FIFTH audit in a row, as they were unable to account for 61% of their $3.5 trillion in assets. $800 billion annual budget.

    “Going after the billionaires”

    Creating new taxes on average Americans and then wasting/losing the money anyways. Truly incredible.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      I can’t imagine how many 1099’s eBay will have to send out.

  20. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    "Facebook Live … we're not gonna have, okay, because that lets everybody y'all follow on Facebook that we're out here," said another officer.

    Seriously? I guess when you routinely have a gang of thugs at your beck and call, ready to assault or kill anyone who bothers you, you start to believe everyone else does. Yeah, right. Fucking asshole.

    He told Sharpe that "in the future, if you're on Facebook Live, your phone is gonna be taken from you … and if you don't want to give up your phone, you'll go to jail."

    Another case of "Do what I say or I'll arrest you on false charges that will be dismissed after you spend some time in jail, and nothing will happen to me."
    Cops like that deserve to be hanged.

    1. rloquitur   3 years ago

      Prosecuted, not hanged.

      In my mind, the question is what rights do ordinary citizens have to defend themselves against this unlawful conduct.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        Prosecuted? That's a joke. Cops, prosecutors and judges are all on the same team, which means nothing else happens. Abuse of power like that should be punished by hanging. In public.

    2. Zeb   3 years ago

      Yeah, that's a pretty poor excuse. There's nothing to stop him from texting his gang before the cop gets to his car and telling them to come murder some cops or whatever they're worried about. That horse left the barn when cellphones became ubiquitous.

      In any case, while there may be "reasonable limitations" on recording cops, shouldn't those limitations be passed by the legislature and not made up on the spot by cops?

  21. rloquitur   3 years ago

    The right to record and the right to disseminate go hand in hand. QI should be denied. I personally think the cops should be charged with a crime.

    Regarding the journalist, whoever issued the arrest warrant should go to jail for a very long time, and I don't care if that person is the judge.

    1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

      Qi isn't going away until all gov employees are executed. Qi extends to public school teachers, and cps agents. You know they won't give it up no matter how much they demonize the cops

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        They demonize cops because they see it ad a path to achieving more power.
        1. Create distrust of local authorities
        2. Destabilize locally
        3. Transfer enforcement to centralized, disconnected police force that is a tool of The Party

    2. Duke of URL   3 years ago

      This^

      "....the fundamental question in qualified immunity cases is whether the defendant had 'fair warning' that their conduct was unlawful....."
      But for non government employees, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

  22. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    "Seven federal appellate courts have affirmed that there is a First Amendment right to film the police,"

    When nothing happens to cops who illegally arrest people for recording them, there is no right to film the police.

  23. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    What was that about the economy and recession?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/continuing-jobless-claims-hit-10-month-highs-layoffs-exploded-november

    This year’s tech cuts are 535% higher than the 12,761 cuts announced through the same period in 2021. Job cuts announced in the East 6,762; Midwest 7,883; West 58,497; South 3,693. More symptomatic of a weakening consumer, holiday hiring plans are down notably this year...

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      The booming Biden economy.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        More like the boom-boom Biden economy.

  24. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/fear-gauge-suggests-us-labor-market-may-break-soon

    The Fear Gauge suggests that the Fed won’t be successful in engineering a soft landing of the economy as it seeks to align demand in line with supply.

  25. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Fuck the EU.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-threatens-musk-twitter-ban-over-content-moderation

    The threat was made by Thierry Breton, the EU’s commissioner in charge of implementing the bloc’s digital rules, who said during a video meeting with Musk on Wednesday that Twitter must follow a checklist of rules, including ditching his "arbitrary" approach to reinstating banned users, the Financial Times reports, citing people with knowledge of the conversation.

    1. Griffin3   3 years ago

      These articles seem to state that unless twitter doesn't comply with the EU rules, then twitter "must block it's european users". Seems to me, the actual situation is that twitter can remove all of it's twitter.eu offices and domains, stop doing business with EU advertisers, and then it's the EU member countries' problem to block all the twitter domains for the rest of the world. If only to make it clear that the EU countries are responsible for censoring their citizens.

      And then the citizens can get on their VPNs, the EU advertisers can contract with twitter.us, and twitter can even spam out a few dozen domains al la telegram to enable the users to work around censorship. As much as the EU wants to act like the twitters and the social media are a top-down managed structure, they are only that if the social media giants actively collude with them. Bittorrent has shown, if nothing else does, how well the internet can map around censorship/the law.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        That seems like the prudent path forward. Make the governments do their own censorship for a change.

    2. Super Scary   3 years ago (edited)

      ” including ditching his “arbitrary” approach to reinstating banned users”

      I feel like that this Thierry guy was more of a fan of their previous “arbitrary” approach to banning users.

    3. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

      To any Reason staff writer who may see this :

      Breton Thierry is what a de facto 21st Century fascist actually looks and sounds like.

  26. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/musk-twitter-has-interfered-elections

    To which Musk replied, "Exactly. The obvious reality, as long-time users know, is that Twitter has failed in trust & safety for a very long time and has interfered in elections."

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      This will not be discussed here. Cleaneat elections ever. Only Russian ads can effect elections.

  27. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D–N.Y.) has been voted House Democratic leader, replacing Nancy Pelosi."

    Now the ex-Speaker can spend more time at home watching over Mr. Nancy.

    1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      And his pals.

  28. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    There's a Jimmy Buffet song for that.

    https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/11/30/usgs-very-high-probability-that-lava-flow-mauna-loa-will-reach-key-hawaii-island-highway/

    Shutting down the highway, known locally as Saddle Road. will mean more traffic in communities along the Hamakua Coast, And with tourists flocking to Hawaii island to see the eruptions, expect your drive from Hilo to Kona to take more than 2 1/2 hours.

    1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

      Don't want to go to no kuiate city Id rater be in Mexico... Eeeerrrr let's continue
      I'd rather land in New yor city.... Ehhhhh...
      Perhaps the song needs some updating

  29. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    The Oath Keepers who attacked the USA were so Bad-Ass!

    During an eight-week trial, jurors heard that Rhodes - a former Army paratrooper who wears an eye patch after accidentally shooting himself in the face with his own gun - had rallied his followers to defend Mr Trump.

    https://news.sky.com/story/oath-keepers-founder-stewart-rhodes-convicted-over-violent-plot-to-overturn-bidens-election-win-12758355

    Jessica Watkins was among the defendants found not guilty of seditious conspiracy, but guilty of other crimes, including obstruction and conspiracy-related charges.

    According to court documents, she told the jury during the trial that she is a transgender military veteran who struggled to express her identity to family and in the Army.

    She said she learned about the Oath Keepers through conspiracy theorist Alex Jones' InfoWars. She was indoctrinated by baseless claims such as the U.S. being invaded by the United Nations.

    Jason Dolan, a witness and former Oath Keeper, told the jury he joined the group in 2020 after becoming convinced that the election was stolen.

    He was spending hours each evening in his garage going through a six pack or a half bottle of vodka and scrolling through news articles on the his phone after quitting his job following a bad hip surgery.

    https://www.axios.com/2022/11/30/oath-keepers-trial-radicalization

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      "He was spending hours each evening in his garage going through a six pack or a half bottle of vodka and scrolling through news articles on the his phone after quitting his job following a bad hip surgery."

      Sounds like just another country song.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Or a look into the life of sarc.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          If it was "spending an hour" it would be an accurate comparison.

    2. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

      Kill yourself you pedo.
      You are applauding show trials

    3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Why are these people even being prosecuted? Fucking kangaroo courts.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago (edited)

        Remember how libertarians used to be against the Alien and Sedition Act?

    4. Square = Circle   3 years ago

      Jessica Watkins was among the defendants found not guilty of seditious conspiracy, but guilty of other crimes, including obstruction and conspiracy-related charges.

      So . . . process crimes where the underlying accusation was found to be false?

      1. Zeb   3 years ago

        See! The system works!

  30. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    There's more to this than ENB is reporting.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3756777-indiana-ag-files-medical-complaint-against-doctor-who-performed-abortion-on-10-year-old/

    The complaint alleges Caitlin Bernard violated federal and Indiana law related to patient privacy and the reporting of child abuse by sharing the girl’s story with the press “to further her political agenda.”

    It's not about the abortion. It's about the child abuse and violation of patient privacy laws.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      How dare you disrupt the narrative!

    2. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

      Your telling me a retarded political hack will lie to push her agenda? Nooooooooooooooo

    3. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      I still don't really believe this even happened.

      1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

        They identified the "family?" as illegal aliens living in Ohio. I think the perp was the Mother's live in boofriend.

    4. Cronut   3 years ago

      She reported it to police on July 2, 2 days after the abortion:

      https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/14/us/indiana-ag-ohio-rape-victim/index.html

      But the original story was published on July 1:

      https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2022/07/01/indiana-abortion-law-roe-v-wade-overturned-travel/7779936001/

      She went to the newspaper with the story of a child rape before she went to the cops.

      1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

        The rape and pregnancy had already been reported in Ohio.

  31. Ed   3 years ago

    Regarding the link (in Quick Hits) to the article about expanding surveillance, I've always thought that "defund the police" doesn't refer to reducing their numbers per se, but rather their ability to spend so lavishly buying personal data, access to private resources, hacking services, and military quality weapons (though I realize that last is often free to them from the federal government). There seems to be no limit to what these LEOs are able to buy to get around restrictions on what they are not constitutionally allowed to do themselves...

    1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

      Don't assume the defund the police crowd are human.
      They want to defund the local police and put all the power and money into a political police force

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Yes, demilitarizing the police is an old, long standing gripe, and libertarians were good on leading that charge. However, defunding the police as it became popular in 2020 was NOT about JUST demilitarizing them, but abolishing the police/industrial complex writ-large (which feels libertarian-ish on the surface, which is why some so-called libertarians got utterly confused in 2020). This is all Angela Davis type warmed-over Marxist stuff that believes that if we didn't have capitalism, that there would be no crime. Literally. The reason we have crime is because we have capitalism. Eliminate capitalism, and you remove incentives for people to konk someone over the head for their cell phone.

      It's weapons-grade stupid.

  32. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Today might not be a great time to buy a home. Tomorrow might not either...

    PODS AND BUGS FOR EVERYONE!

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      And your happiness will be mid.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

        You will own nothing, including contentment.

  33. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3757126-rail-strike-bill-is-rare-rift-between-democrats-unions/

    As a result, the Democratic-controlled Congress is poised to impose a labor deal on railway workers that was rejected by four freight rail unions — a rare rift between Democrats and organized labor.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Forced labor is the best kind of labor.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Isn't the election over?

    2. Longtobefree   3 years ago

      Just because misinformed union members voted against the contract doesn't mean the union leaders will stop donating to democrats.
      Count the votes of the unions that approved against the unions that rejected; then add the donations from the approving unions against the rejecting unions.
      Add in the 2024 elections, and Bob's your uncle.

    3. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      organized labor

      Classic useful idiots.

    4. perlmonger   3 years ago

      Not shocking at all. The Democrats hate the working class now.

  34. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    The EU is laughable.

    https://www.euronews.com/2022/11/30/eu-special-tribunal-important-to-show-ukraine-that-russia-will-be-held-accountable-for-inv

    The special UN-backed tribunal proposed by the European Union on Wednesday will show Ukraine that Russia is held accountable for violating its sovereignty and bringing the war to its territory, military analyst and lawyer Frank Ledwidge told Euronews.

  35. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    US revises up last quarter’s economic growth to 2.9% rate

    https://apnews.com/article/inflation-economy-consumer-spending-prices-economic-growth-d637f03aa80efb2cbb05cadf56ed8223

    Still too hot, says the Fed.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      Obviously the Oracle of Digshit, Georgia somehow missed all the layoffs and decreased number of job postings.

    2. Sevo   3 years ago

      If turd posts numbers, they are either outright lies or cherry-picked to mean the opposite of the intent.
      turd lies; it's all turd does.

    3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      “Despite higher borrowing costs and prices, household spending – the driver of the economy – appears to be holding, which is a positive development for the near-term outlook,″ said Rubeela Farooqi, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics.

      Houshold spending up during an inflation crisis? That's totally unexpected.

      The chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics is certainly looking for a silver lining in that pile of poop.

  36. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://www.coindesk.com/layer2/2022/11/30/ftxs-collapse-was-a-crime-not-an-accident/

    Sam Bankman-Fried is a con man and fraudster of historic proportions. But you might not learn that from the New York Times, CoinDesk's Chief Insights Columnist David Z. Morris writes.

    And here's your Matthew Yglesias mention of the day, filling in for ENB.

    Vox co-founder Matthew Yglesias, court chronicler of the neoliberal status quo, seemed to whitewash his own entanglements by crediting Bankman-Fried’s money with helping Democrats in the 2020 elections – sidestepping the likelihood that the money was effectively embezzled.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      He had good intentions.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        As demonstrated by his millions donated to Democrats.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      The rehab tour of SBF has already started to help protect the democrats.

      https://mobile.twitter.com/GMA/status/1598089660172890113

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        In ReasonWorld, this would be called *checks Reason style guide* "Challenging SBF".

    3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      He meant well.

    4. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      BANKMAN-FRIED DIDN'T KILL HIMSELF!

      First.

      1. perlmonger   3 years ago

        I mean, probably true. Someone is going to ice that neckbearded motherfucker. I just about guarantee it.

  37. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-zelenskyy-yellen-bankman-fried-use-federal-investigations-celebrated

    We are going to start with a quiz. What do you have when you find Sam Bankman-Fried, Janet Yellen and President Zelenskyy of Ukraine all together in one room? A federal grand jury proceeding? That would be a good guess. Sam Bankman-Fried seems to have committed the biggest financial fraud in history. As the chair of the Federal Reserve, Janet Yellen bears direct responsibility for the destruction of the entire U.S. economy. President Zelenskyy, meanwhile, sits atop a money-laundering scheme so brazen that Democrats won't even allow it to be audited.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

      My advice to young Sammy-boy:

      Follow the Trump model. Declare bankruptcy, start over, get your own reality TV gig, claim you donated to Democrats as part of being rich, run for president as a Republican, grab as much pussy as you can. Keep your weird hair.

      It worked for Donnie.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        What is your strange obsession with Trump? You secretly have a crush on him or something?

      2. Sevo   3 years ago

        Never forget: turd lies.

      3. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

        Kill yourself pedo

    2. creech   3 years ago

      Surely you are misinformed. Why would Jimmy Fallon have Janet Yellen on as a guest last night and yuck it up with such an economy destroyer?

    3. perlmonger   3 years ago

      "We are going to start with a quiz. What do you have when you find Sam Bankman-Fried, Janet Yellen and President Zelenskyy of Ukraine all together in one room?"

      "Target rich environment?"

  38. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Full Transcript: NY Times' Interview With Sam Bankman-Fried

    https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/12/01/full-transcript-ny-times-interview-with-sam-bankman-fried/

    The New York Times’ Andrew Ross Sorkin interviewed former FTX CEO Sam Bankman-Fried on Nov. 30 as part of the Times’ DealBook Summit. Here is a rough transcript of that conversation.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Oh yeah, this 'dealbook' thing is a laugh-riot.

  39. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/PTBwrites/status/1597981780828573699?t=oGfknjoBRgEY5CbCiOkO2A&s=19

    Still think the fact that the U.S. is the country with the highest % of kids that live in a single-parent home goes under-remarked in a lot of policy discussions

    [Link]

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Part of the half-century long push by the Democrats to create a nation of serfs. The less social bonds you have the more reliant you are on the state.

      1. Ajsloss   3 years ago

        Serf-herders.

      2. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

        It's a back-door way of keeping men on welfare. If you give all the benefits to the mother and child, the baby daddy can move in to their Section 8 apartment with them under the radar. If they get married and the government continues to support them, then they have to admit that able-bodied men are living on public assistance.

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  41. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D–N.Y.) has been voted House Democratic leader, replacing Nancy Pelosi.

    a vocal and inveterate election denier like Jeffries is now house Dem leader!?!?! This is a disgrace and a tHrEaT tO DeMocrAcY!

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      "Election denial" is only okay when they do it.

  42. Sevo   3 years ago

    "Appeals court won't pause ruling against student loan forgiveness plan."
    ""In this country, we are not ruled by an all-powerful executive with a pen and a phone," Pittman wrote in his decision. "Instead, we are ruled by a Constitution that provides for three distinct and independent branches of government."

    Thank you Judge Pittman and Donald Trump.

  43. Sevo   3 years ago

    Oh, and whoever shoveled some coal in the server boiler, thank you, too.

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  45. Dillinger   3 years ago

    how is facebook live any different than the WPIX camera?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Proper payoffs?

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      One is moderated in good faith for disinformation.

  46. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

    You Can Record Video of Police in Action. But Can You Livestream That Video?

    You mean like the news media does every fucking day?

  47. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

    On the demise of Amazon's Alexa.

    There are some problems, but nothing that would make me give my Echo up.

    1. Dillinger   3 years ago

      sticking w/Clapper.

    2. Utkonos   3 years ago

      But Siri ously….

  48. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    "No circuit court has yet ruled on whether passengers in traffic stops can be blocked from recording police or on whether live-streaming is different from merely recording," notes The Washington Post.

    Um, that which is not explicitly allowed is verboten?

    1. Utkonos   3 years ago

      Gosh, I wish the Bill of Rights contained an amendment addressing that…

  49. Jerry B.   3 years ago

    Speaking of Russia, they appear to be send letter bombs to government offices and embassies in Spain, which is quite open in its military equipment support of Ukraine.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/11/30/ukraine-embassy-madrid-spain-letter-bomb/

  50. MWAocdoc   3 years ago

    "The government is clearly in the wrong, yet has the luxury of being wrong until proven otherwise." This should be the motto on the Great Seal of the United States of America. And it will continue until the American people start holding government officials accountable.

    1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      That will never happen. We've lost.

      1. perlmonger   3 years ago

        I wish I thought you were wrong.

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