Trump Lawyers' 'Diligent Search' for Classified Documents at Mar-a-Lago Missed More Than 100
That failure adds to the evidence that Trump or his representatives obstructed the FBI's investigation.

On June 3, in response to a grand jury subpoena served on May 11, former President Donald Trump's lawyers gave the FBI 38 classified documents that he had taken to his residence at Mar-a-Lago, his Palm Beach resort, when he left office in January 2021. Trump lawyer Christina Bobb signed a sworn statement saying "a diligent search was conducted of the boxes that were moved from the White House to Florida." That search, Bobb said, "was conducted after receipt of the subpoena, in order to locate any and all documents that are responsive to the subpoena," which sought material marked as classified. "To the best of my knowledge," she said, "any and all responsive documents accompany this certification."
Despite that certification, according to a brief that the Justice Department filed last night, the FBI found "over one hundred unique documents with classification markings" when it searched Mar-a-Lago on August 8. That discovery provided further evidence that Trump or his underlings violated three federal laws cited in the FBI's search warrant by willfully retaining government records and deliberately obstructing attempts to recover them. But if the Justice Department ultimately decides to prosecute Trump, proving those charges will be difficult, because his cavalier treatment of the records at Mar-a-Lago plausibly reflected habitual carelessness rather than criminal intent.
The Justice Department describes the June 3 handover in its response to Trump's request that a "special master" be appointed to review the items seized at Mar-a-Lago. The meeting included Bobb, Trump lawyer Evan Corcoran, three FBI agents, and Jay Bratt, chief of the Counterintelligence and Export Control Section in the Justice Department's National Security Division. Although the name of the "custodian" who signed the certification is blacked out in the DOJ's filing, The New York Times reports that it was Bobb.
The 38 documents recovered during that meeting were in addition to 184 classified documents found in 15 boxes that Trump had given the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) in January. The DOJ says "counsel for the former President offered no explanation as to why boxes of government records, including 38 documents with classification markings, remained at the Premises nearly five months after the production of the Fifteen Boxes and nearly one-and-a-half years after the end of the Administration."
According to the Justice Department, the FBI sought to verify Bobb's statement by looking in the boxes of documents that Trump was keeping in a basement storage room at Mar-a-Lago. But "the former President's counsel explicitly prohibited government personnel from opening or looking inside any of the boxes that remained in the storage room, giving no opportunity for the government to confirm that no documents with classification markings remained."
After that meeting, the Justice Department says, "further investigation indicated that the response to the subpoena was incomplete, that obstructive conduct occurred in connection with the response to the subpoena, and that classified information remained at the premises." That investigation evidently included interviews of witnesses who had seen additional classified material at Mar-a-Lago, which would have been crucial in establishing probable cause for the search.
The search confirmed the FBI's suspicion that Trump was still keeping classified material at Mar-a-Lago. Like the documents that Trump's representatives gave NARA in January and the FBI in June, the classified records seized during the search ranged from "confidential" to "top secret," with some of the latter classified as "sensitive compartmented information," an especially restricted category.
We still know very little about the nature of the information those documents contained, or why the FBI thought they posed a threat grave and imminent enough to justify its unprecedented search of a former president's home. The Justice Department says "the Intelligence Community" is conducting a "review of the national security risk that improper storage of these highly sensitive materials may have caused" and considering "measures to rectify or mitigate any damage that improper storage caused."
The search also showed that, contrary to what Trump's lawyers had indicated, some of the classified documents were kept outside the storage room, which was secured by a padlock. The Justice Department says 76 of more than 100 documents with classification markings were found in that room, which means dozens were discovered elsewhere.
According to the Justice Department, the FBI found "three classified documents" in desk drawers when it searched Trump's office. One drawer "contained classified documents and governmental records commingled with other documents." Additional documents with "classified cover sheets" were "recovered from a container" in Trump's office.
The above photograph, which the Justice Department included in its brief, shows the documents found in Trump's office. In response, Trump complains that it was "terrible the way the FBI, during the Raid of Mar-a-Lago, threw documents haphazardly all over the floor (perhaps pretending it was me that did it!), and then started taking pictures of them for the public to see." But the Justice Department never implied that Trump threw those records on the floor; it said he should not have had them at Mar-a-Lago to begin with.
The scattered locations of conspicuously marked classified documents suggest that the search described by Bobb was not quite as "diligent" as she claimed. "That the FBI, in a matter of hours, recovered twice as many documents with classification markings as the 'diligent search' that the former President's counsel and other representatives had weeks to perform calls into serious question the representations made in the June 3 certification and casts doubt on the extent of cooperation in this matter," the Justice Department says.
Trump insists that the documents at Mar-a-Lago, despite their markings, were no longer classified, because he had "a standing order" as president that automatically declassified anything he happened to remove from the Oval Office. But according to the Justice Department, Trump's representatives made no such claim when they delivered documents to NARA in January or to the FBI in June. During the latter meeting, it says, "neither counsel nor the custodian asserted that the former President had declassified the documents." To the contrary, Corcoran "handled them in a manner that suggested [he] believed that the documents were classified: the production included a single Redweld envelope, double-wrapped in tape, containing the documents."
It is not clear whether Trump actually issued the purported "standing order," which he first described four days after the FBI's search. That policy was news to John Bolton, who served as the former president's national security adviser for 17 months in 2018 and 2019, and to Glenn Gerstell, who served as general counsel for the National Security Agency from 2015 to 2020. More to the point, the three statutes cited in the Mar-a-Lago search warrant do not hinge on whether the documents were in fact classified.
18 USC 2071 makes it a felony, punishable by up to three years in prison, to "willfully and unlawfully" conceal, remove, or destroy a U.S. government document. That would include unclassified documents that belonged in the National Archives under the Presidential Records Act. That law says "the United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records."
18 USC 793(e) makes it a felony, punishable by up to 10 years in prison, to improperly retain "defense information." As relevant here, that provision applies to anyone who has "unauthorized possession" of "information relating to the national defense" that he "has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation" and who "willfully retains" that information and "fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it."
18 USC 1519 makes it a felony, punishable by up to 20 years in prison, to conceal "any record, document, or tangible object" with the intent to "impede, obstruct, or influence" a federal investigation. Even if Trump declassified all of the documents at Mar-a-Lago when he still had the authority to do, intentionally withholding the material demanded by the subpoena could qualify as obstruction.
Still, all of these offenses require proof of intent. Given what we know about Trump, it is entirely plausible that he thought the records he took belonged to him, did not know or care about the relevant laws, and responded lazily and haphazardly when NARA and the FBI tried to recover the documents.
According to the redacted search warrant affidavit, NARA first requested the return of missing presidential records on May 6, 2021, three and a half months after Trump left office. In a February 18 letter to Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D–N.Y.), who chairs the House Committee on Oversight and Reform, U.S. Archivist David Ferriero reported that "NARA had ongoing communications with the representatives of former President Trump throughout 2021, which resulted in the transfer of 15 boxes to NARA in January 2022," two years after Trump left office.
What was happening in the meantime? While Trump's advisers "tried to help the National Archives retrieve the material," the Times reports, "the former president repeatedly resisted [their] entreaties," because he mistakenly thought he had a right to keep mementos such as his pardon for Roger Stone, letters from North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un, and the note that former President Barack Obama left for his successor when Trump took office. "It's not theirs; it's mine," Trump repeatedly insisted, according to "several advisers" interviewed by the Times.
Given that attitude, Trump's foot-dragging is not surprising. But if Trump sincerely believed that the National Archives had no right to "his" records, it would be hard to prove that he "willfully" retained or concealed government documents.
The fact that Trump's response to NARA's requests was incomplete likewise does not necessarily prove that he intentionally broke the law. Maybe he did not know exactly what he had and did not bother to find out. Such sloppiness would be consistent with his behavior as president.
In June 2018, Ferriero said in his letter to Maloney, "NARA learned from a press report in Politico that textual Presidential records were being torn up by former President Trump and that White House staff were attempting to tape them back together." When NARA asked the president's lawyers about that, "the White House Counsel's Office indicated that they would address the matter."
After Trump left office, Ferriero said, "NARA learned that additional paper records that had been torn up by former President Trump were included in the records transferred to us. Although White House staff during the Trump Administration recovered and taped together some of the torn-up records, a number of other torn-up records that were transferred had not been reconstructed by the White House."
Trump's purported policy of declassifying material that he removed from the Oval Office likewise suggests he was careless with government documents. By Trump's account, his "standing order" applied to anything he decided to study in his residence in preparation for the next day's work. But such decisions are not supposed to be based on presidential convenience; they are supposed to be based on a careful determination that declassifying any particular document would not endanger national security. The fact that records supposedly declassified by Trump still bore labels that indicated otherwise underlines how irregular and arbitrary such a policy would have been.
Bolton, who says he never heard anything about Trump's "standing order," cautions the former president's critics against assuming that he had sinister motives in deciding which classified material to grab. "I think he just had an inquisitive instinct," Bolton said in SiriusXM interview this week. "He would see things in intelligence briefings, a picture, a graph, something like that—usually not lengthy written material, that's for sure. But he'd say 'Well, I want to keep that,' and it would sort of end up in a pile on his desk."
Although "a lot of Trump's critics have great theories about how he's gonna use this information to blackmail people," Bolton said, "I think that gives Trump too much credit. I just think he brought things into his possession thinking…it'd be interesting to look at it later, and that's how it happened. That doesn't excuse it. But I think when you overstate your case against Trump, and by really giving him powers and mental ability that doesn't match the reality, you're setting up a target that you can't possibly get to."
Assuming that Trump deliberately concealed classified documents at Mar-a-Lago with the intent of impeding the FBI's investigation likewise may give him too much credit. Even by the Justice Department's account, Trump would casually toss sensitive records into desk drawers, where they were mixed together with other material and perhaps forgotten. The idea that he knew exactly what the boxes in the storage room contained and consciously decided to hide classified documents from the FBI seems inconsistent with this picture of impulsive negligence.
The behavior of Trump's lawyers, by contrast, seems more deliberate. Unlike Trump, they were legal professionals confronted by a federal subpoena seeking every document at Mar-a-Lago that was marked as classified. Although they had more than three weeks to make sure they had identified all such documents, they somehow missed more than 100. It is hard to come up with an innocent explanation for that failure.
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The FBI found these classified documents in Donald Trump's office at Mar-a-Lago. (DOJ)
The picture shows a bunch of blank pieces of paper.
Redacted with White-Out?
I sense another crime is afoot.
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Found or planted? How does the FBI have any credibility?
No one cares what Republican traitors think.
But enough about Liz Cheney.
Well, that may change come November.
Fuck off and die, shit-pile.
Yeah, and he wants them to give back those documents they planted!
It’s a normal thing for libertarians to blindly trust the FBI.
White paper?
So rascist.
No - there is really no evidence yet that the documents are still classified. What they have evidence of is that at one point the documents had likely been classified.
Why the splitting of hairs? Because that is precisely what the DOJ and FBI have been doing. We do know that Trump, his last full day in office, issued a formal order declassifying all of the RussiaGate documents. Because Trump had plenary declassification authority, when he was President, you (and the courts) cannot presume that the documents marked classified, actually (still) are.
Of course, Sollum, rabidly suffering from TDS, does assume that documents constructively in the former Presidents possession marked classified are still classified.
It never crosses Sullum's pea brain that applying the same metric to Obama or either Clinton would uncover multiples of that by the metric he's using, but facts and truth don't matter to a propagandist.
I read the article and all the comments. It was a long slog. Here's a fact: Obama took 30 million documents from the White House, privatized them, and is the first President since before Hoover to do so. No, Virginia, that's not on the first page of a Google search. BUT IT'S A FACT. Did anyone read those docs? Nope. Did the National Archive let him do it? Yes. Because he was the President.
Somehow, yet again, the laws are different for Orange Man Bad, which means they aren't real laws. Do better, Sullum. From USA Today:
"At the end of the Obama administration, 30 million pages of documents from his presidency were shipped to a vast empty furniture store near Chicago (Shades of “Indiana Jones”!).
The Obama Foundation, a private nonprofit organization, will control the official records of his time in office, rather than the National Archives and Records Administration, which administers all other presidential libraries going back to Herbert Hoover. Rather than opening the paper files to the public and researchers, the Obama Foundation will eventually digitize the records. A National Archives news release noted that COVID-19 has delayed digitization efforts."
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/contorted-presidential-records-act-bipartisan-100019508.html
"CLAIM: Former President Barack Obama took 30 million documents, many of them classified, to Chicago upon leaving the White House.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Obama administration records are exclusively held and maintained by the National Archives and Records Administration, the federal agency confirmed on Friday. Millions of unclassified documents were transferred after Obama left office to a NARA facility in Chicago, but neither Obama’s personal foundation nor the facility set to house his presidential memorabilia have control over those papers.
THE FACTS: Amid mounting revelations surrounding the FBI’s search of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, a counternarrative pushed online — including by Trump himself — posits that Obama similarly kept possession of White House documents after his term of office.
“President Barack Hussein Obama kept 33 million pages of documents, much of them classified. How many of them pertained to nuclear? Word is, lots!” Trump posted on Truth Social, the social network he founded, on Friday.
“OBAMA TOOK 30 Million Documents when he left the WHITEHOUSE and No FBI RAID,” read one tweet posted Tuesday, the day after the FBI’s search, that had garnered almost 20,000 likes by Friday.
But these records were given to NARA in 2017, upon the end of Obama’s term, and they remain in NARA’s sole custody, in accordance with federal law. Some 30 million documents were moved to a NARA-operated facility in the Chicago area, as the agency explained in a statement Friday, but none were classified. The administration’s classified documents are stored in a separate NARA facility in the Washington, D.C., area...."
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Eat shit and die, Asshole.
HAHA. NARA allowed Obama to privatize them. THEY ARE IN CHICAGO. The New York Times even wrote a lamenting post about it. Because Obama has no plan to reveal them to the public. They will never be digitized. And no one looked at any of them.
And CNN knew it was a novel approach to records as well. But King Obama makes the rules. He doesn't follow them.
https://www.worldtribune.com/obama-puts-his-presidential-records-off-limits-for-12-years/
In addition, the National Archive has no legal authority to demand documents from the president in the first place. They are an archive, and they archive what they are given.
That's on top of the issue of copies. The government can claim ownership of a copy, *maybe*ownership of the original - but not all copies.
You don't need all copies of a document to fill an archive.
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Biggest. Scandal. In. World. History.
#WallsClosingIn
The question is, who did Trump intend to sell America's top secrets to?
PawnStars!
"I don't know about these, so let me call a friend who has experience at valuing classified documents...hello, Vladimir?"
Terrible shrike.
Sad thing is when he started I thought it might be funny, but he just couldn’t help himself.
Just like he couldn’t help himself the time he posted links to kiddie porn.
Lol.
You clowns will believe anything.
These days I'm not going to just take the FBI's word for it. Maybe Trump did commit obstruction, but I'm going to need some evidence from a more reliable source before I'm convinced.
So the evidence that he claimed to have no more stolen documents when there were some in his unlocked desk drawer. isn't enough evidence for you?
My golly you are stupid.
So you believe the FBI after Russiagate, the Whitmer Kidnapping, and so much more that they, themselves created?
My golly, you are royally stupid.
Besides being full of shit.
SMP talks about the source of the evidence and you respond to the evidence part and not the source? And he's stupid?
I guess I'm just not smart enough to believe the benevolent, well-intentioned people at the FBI.
You do not know if they were classified. All you know is that some of them have a classified stamp on them.
It's not the stamp that makes a document classified.
What exactly is the crime whose investigation Trump was supposed to have been obstructing?
The problem with the FBI isn't that we lack evidence, the problem is that the affidavit and search warrant don't even articulate a crime that Trump could be guilty of.
his cavalier treatment of the records at Mar-a-Lago plausibly reflected habitual carelessness rather than criminal intent.
See? Trump is no criminal. He is just a careless moron.
And while the rest of us only found out about this earth-shattering scandal in August 2022, you knew all about it in May 2021.
#ButtplugHasTheBestIntel
#ButtplugKnowsShit
What are you implying? You actually think May 2021 Buttplug was hyping whatever his #Resistance media masters told him to hype at the time, and it just ended up fizzling?
No, that can't be it. It must be that he knew about #TrumpDocuments 14 or 15 months before the rest of us.
#SimplestExplanation
Like I said, #ButtplugKnowsShit
He is just a careless moron.
Funny - that was exactly Hillary Clinton's defense.
It worked for Clinton.
mumble mumble don't attribute to malice what can be explained by carelessness or stupidity mumble mumble
You know, it could be both.
The more likely explanation is Trump's diagnosed Mental illness.
You know... The one Republcians have been ignoring for the last 6 years.
Diagnosed by which medical professional that actually examined him?
Did you come here direct from Stupidville, or did you have to change planes in Chicago?
Why do they keep sending the dumbest fifty centers? This idiot is barely entertaining.
"....have been ignoring for the last 6 years."
I think your confusing Trump with Biden.
There has been no diagnosis.
In fact, the psychiatrist who claimed that Trump had a mental illness just lost her job for malpractice.
Say his name,
Timothy Thibault
Guy had one good year with the Broncos. Let's not go overboard.
that crossing pattern against the Steelers in OT was beautiful
I'LL CUT YOU!
Not as beautiful as years of watching Tebow flail, overmatched and overhyped, as he attempted to emulate a professional athlete.
He'll make a living at revival meetings, faith healings, and on televangelism broadcasts, though.
couldn't hit the slider, either.
Seth Rich
Set Rich's last words "Timothy Thibault, what are you doing here?"
Look at all those cover sheets. That's a lot of cover sheets. I used to have lots of these cover sheets in my office. I bet FBI offices have lots of cover sheets too.
TDS report cover sheets?
I don't know about them. Was there a memo?
Should've from one of your eight different bosses.
By the way, we've lost some people over the week so I'm gonna need you to come in on Sunday...
I have a meeting with the Bobs on Sunday.
Not until you give me back my stapler.
I'm going back to the breast exam girl.
Such sloppiness would be consistent with his behavior as president.
‘Nobody knew health care could be so complicated’
Donald Trump Feb 2017
Fucking moron.
But 'we have to pass the bill to know what's in it's was the product of smart people.
turd lies; it's what turd does.
TDS much, Sullum?
Trump Defense Syndrome much?
Poor Dee thinks she’s clever.
TDS much, Sullum!
Everyone except Sullum knows that there is a difference between "classified documents" and "documents with classification markings".
When I cleaned out the garage after my Dad died, I threw out boxes of documents marked "SECRET" or "TOP SECRET". They were classroom materials from his command and general staff classes, and were from WW2. The classifications had expired decades ago.
(Hang on a minute, the cable van just parked outside, and I don't have cable)
Good point. Something being marked classified doesn't make it classified. It is the information that is classified not the piece of paper.
> Everyone except Sullum knows that there is a difference between "classified documents" and "documents with classification markings".
They were talking about "nuclear secrets" within days of the raid. The only reason I can see for them to have leaked "muh nuclear secrets!" to the press is because they're one of the few forms of classified info a sitting POTUS is barred from disseminating.
And that's what this is about. It's not about whether he declassified the documents. He took them while he was sitting as POTUS, and if he says he declassified them, they have little choice but to take his word for it. He had the unilateral power to do so, and there's no set protocol he had to follow.
It's about potential future dissemination. Him potentially disseminating "nuclear secrets", or allowing "nuclear secrets" to fall into the wrong hands was the only thing that could possibly justify them raiding his home. "See? We had good reason to go in! He might have taken nuclear secrets!"
But it wasn't that they feared the possible dissemination of nuclear secrets. They fear the possible dissemination of the full, unredacted Crossfire Hurricane file.
Don't believe me? Has anyone even uttered the word "nuclear" in the last couple weeks? The last time it was a feature story in every media outlet was Aug 12. Post hoc justification for a gullible public.
Meanwhile, on June 3, they (NARA, FBI, DoJ) told Trump to super-SCIFify his Mar-a-Lago SCIF by putting an extra padlock on it. Rumor has it, Trump told them not to worry, he kept everything important and sensitive in his personal safe.
I think they assumed he meant the Crossfire Hurricane file, and I think he wanted them to assume that.
If they wanted the Crossfire Hurricane file back, they wouldn't be able to do it even by taking all the the boxes from the Mar-a-Lago SCIF. They'd have to break into his personal safe.
So they get a search warrant, and apparently found nothing in the safe but his passports.
They blew their load with an illegal search, and didn't come up with what they were looking for. If I were Trump, I'd have made several copies of that file and they'd be in several safe locations, ready to deploy if needed.
At least, you know, that's what I'd have done if I were him. Take the file, make copies, set them on a "dead man's switch", and then bait the FBI into raiding my home for no legally justifiable reason. I'm in the news again, my base is fired up, and the FBI is hamstrung. You can't keep doing unprecedented raids without looking like you're doing it out of political bias, or to cover up your own malfeasance.
“You can't keep doing unprecedented raids without looking like you're doing it out of political bias, or to cover up your own malfeasance.”
Agreed with everything else you said, but they can keep doing it, and they will keep doing it, because the media is full of propagandists like Sullum that will run cover for them. The people that actually are upset about this have no power, so they don’t give a shit.
I agree, the media will keep carrying their water.
You remember that scene in The 13th Warrior? When Herger goes out of his way to pick a fight with Angus? Herger is small, part of the envoy. Angus is huge, part of the prince's retinue. They are each given a sword and three shields, and the fight is to the death.
Very quickly, Angus breaks all three of Herger's shields. Herger plants his sword in the mud and kneels, waiting for the death blow. The prince signals to Angus to kill him. Angus raises his sword high, and just as he begins to swing it down, Herger rolls out of the way and onto his feet, sword in hand. Angus is thrown off balance and falls too far forward, and Herger chops his head off.
Ahmed, a member of the envoy, is furious.
Ahmed: You! You could have killed him at will!
Herger: Yes?
Ahmed: Well, why the deception?
Herger: Deception is the point! Any fool can calculate strength. That one [the prince] has been doing it since we arrived. Now he has to calculate what he can't see.
When Trump told them he kept everything important and sensitive in his personal safe, he was baiting them into a raid. A proverbial fight to the death.
And now the FBI, empty-handed (at least in terms of that file), are forced to wonder where it is, how many copies there are, all kinds of things.
John Paul Mac Isaac said he asked the FBI to take Hunter Biden's laptop in fall of 2019. They didn't want it. Then the FBI subpoenaed the laptop and any copies of it in December. Mac Isaac, bless his heart, didn't give them all the copies. Why do you think an FBI completely uninterested in investigating Hunter Biden would subpoena Hunter Biden's laptop? Yeah, that was to contain the evidence. Stick it in a vault, slap a "top secret" sticker on it, and congratulate yourself on a job well done.
How many raids are they going to be able to justify? How are they going to narrow down who might have a copy?
The fact that they leaked the "nuclear secrets" BS right away means they know they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar and were desperate for anything that would justify what they did. If they continue, they risk putting more scrutiny on what they're doing.
The raid was a hail Mary attempt to contain that file. They now know it's at large, whereabouts multiple and unknown, and heads might roll if they push any further.
Great scene and analogy. Agree Trump probably has copies hidden. Less optimistic than you it will ever matter.
Until I see actual consequences for any of this, I don’t think it matters how smart Trump did or did not play this. A fed was literally caught and found guilty of lying on FISA warrants to spy on The President of The United States. He got probation.
Wonder if people need to be reminded the Nunez memo that exposed the FISA issues was originally marked compartmentalized and TS.
That may refer to documents describing the failure of the Obama administration on Iran, something Democrats would likely want to keep under wraps.
U.S. Archivist David Ferriero reported that "NARA had ongoing communications with the representatives of former President Trump throughout 2021, which resulted in the transfer of 15 boxes to NARA in January 2022," two years after Trump left office.
Uhm, Sullum, can you even do math, man? Jesus Christ.
I'm sure it was an innocent error, and not a motivated mis-statement trying to make Trump look bad. It's so hard to tell 2 from 1 these days, and anyway, math is white supremacy.
"It's not theirs; it's mine," Trump repeatedly insisted, according to "several advisers" interviewed by the Times.
Given that attitude, Trump's foot-dragging is not surprising. But if Trump sincerely believed that the National Archives had no right to "his" records, it would be hard to prove that he "willfully" retained or concealed government documents.
This same attitude is persistent among exiting executives, so it's no wonder that there is no criminal enforcement procedure for keeping government records. Because every president disputes that certain documents are personal records rather than professional ones and they fight with the Archives over what should be returned versus what they are allowed to keep. This is every administration.
After reason so vocally repudiated the Russian Collusion hoax and associated FBI investigations, evidence and documentation, I'm surprised they're so willing to go along with the deep state/media narrative on this one.
Remember, some of them "reluctantly" voted for Biden, and of course, it's OrangeManBad, so therefore, something must be done.
Remind me which author in particular did a bunch of Russiagate stories and treated it as fact?
I have one standing order: anything I do is deemed perfectly legal. There.
And also general order 24, because we come in peace.
Man
Woman
Camera
Cheeseburger
Fries
Stolen state secrets
Prison Time for Traitor Trump.
That is a stream of unconciousness worthy of a Biden speech.
Come on man. Do better.
"Prison Time for Traitor Trump."
Bullshit from TDS-addled asshole.
Gotta watch those classified TIME magazine covers.
TIME literally put Hitler on their cover. Literally literally!
Yeah, and much as they are trying to tell you now that it was to highlight his evil, in reality, American progressives and intellectuals admired Hitler and fascism in the 1930's. They walked away from their support for fascism once the crimes against humanity of the fascist regimes became known.
Is this going to be the equivalent of the “they stayed behind the velvet ropes” talking point?
No, more like "No scandal bigger than tan pants" talking point.
And we see Schroedinger's Trump again: he's simultaneously a stable genius of great tactical effectiveness, and an idiot who doesn't understand that the docs didn't belong to him and was just careless about secrecy
Trump like every President took thousands of documents with him when he left office. The idea that there being a few of them that are classified is some kind of serious crime is absurd. Just go fucking put a gun in your mouth and do the world a favor. Really, it is the only good thing you could do for the world, you lying obnoxious stupid fuck.
Even your invective is inadequate
There is zero evidence that the "documents didn't belong to him".
On the other hand, it is clear that NARA has no legal authority to take those documents via a raid.
Hey, remember when subpoenaed Rose Law Firm records were finally "found" in the White House years after the subpoena was issued? How many years in prison did Hillary Clinton get in prison for that willful obstruction of justice?
"Trump Lawyers' 'Diligent Search' for Classified Documents at Mar-a-Lago Missed More Than 100"
"Despite that certification, according to a brief that the Justice Department filed last night, the FBI found "over one hundred unique documents with classification markings" when it searched Mar-a-Lago on August 8."
Did you spot it? Why the headline is BS?
Trumps’ lawyers made a mistake.
Do you know how often classified documents are mistakenly mixed in with unclassified ones or classified information is accidentally stored on an unclass medium? Like every fucking day somewhere in the government. But, Sullumn thinks this is a serious crime. God, what a dishonest, ignorant piece of shit Sullumn is.
Comey even took some home with him.
To leak to his press buddy
A hundred classified documents out of how many thousands that Trump took with him when he left like any other President. No other President has had his home raided by the FBI. Would Sullumn want to bet that you couldn't find classified documents with Obama or GW Bush or Clinton's papers?
Even if all of this were true, which is an enormous and likely erroneous assumption, we are talking about mixing classified documents in with other nonclassified documents in a cache of documents that were kept privately by Trump and were never made public. Since these documents were never released to the public, it seems pretty hard to conclude this was anything other than a typical administrative oversight if that. And it was an oversight that resulted in zero classified information being made public or damage to national security.
We won't even mention that Hillary Clinton kept THOUSANDS of not just classified but Top Secret and beyond Top secret emails on a private server that was open to the internet and was almost certainly hacked by every foreign intelligence agency in the world who had an interest in doing so. Sullumn never once wanted Hillary prosecuted for that. But now he wants Trump prosecuted for this?
If you are reading this Sullumn, understand that as big of a piece of garbage as you are, everyone should still feel sorry for you. I can't imagine what a lousy existence it must be to be paid to tell such absurd lies and hypocrisy like this. My God, you really must not have a single marketable skill or any way to make a living to be stuck doing this.
Careful, Jake. Keep this up and the donors will make Katherine fire you, too.
If something has been declassified, its classified markings don't magically disappear like something out of Harry Potter. So, the fact that these documents have such markings just means that at one time someone thought at least some the information in them was classified. That is it. Sollumn is either dumb as a post or totally dishonest or more likely both.
People who deal with classified material are supposed to take anything marked as such very seriously. I don't see any seriousness at all from the Trump camp. None whatsoever.
You have never seen a classified document in your life dipshit. Classified documents get mixed in with unclassified ones like this all of the time. Also, documents get overclassified and marked so when they really are not. What we are talking about here happens somewhere in the federal government every day. No one is ever or will ever be prosecuted for such things because it is not a crime.
Just shut up. You don't know anything about this subject and you are just showing everyone your ass. And trust me no one wants to see your ass.
There's a difference between a data leak and having boxes of documents at home. Why don't you conflate a bit more and add some more personal insults on top to really impress the trolls.
What am I saying. You don't even know what "data leak" means.
There was no data leak.
Sarc once relegated us once with a story of his "friend" being denied a clearance because of their high school records. Despite being linked what is investigated he persisted.
He knows nothing about classification processes. He has been linked to many articles regarding it but continues to talk from ignorance having learned nothing.
Based upon online comments from someone you routinely call a liar, you have gained his complete knowledge of, well, everything.
Bravo! You should sell that act! Make money with that shit!
Sarc i can assure you people on this site have had clearances prior. You have not. I linked directly to the DSS link discussing SF86 or eQUIP and what it consists of. Instead of educating yourself you doubled down. That is chosen ignorance. And proof you lie freely.
What does that have to do with mishandling classified information? Ohhh. It's a textbook ad hominem. "sarc is wrong because of sarc, not what he said."
lol
Who said any classified documents were mishandled? You still keep assuming all sorts of facts not in evidence.
The Crossfire Hurricane documents Were unclassified, and it was widely reported at the time.
The DOJ is the only party to date to have demonstrated a degree of criminal negligence, much less nefarious intent
Classified documents? Hell, sarc didn’t know what a Cuban sandwich was.
And when people accidentally took classified documents home, did they then resist handing them back for 18 months or so and try to negotiate for their return? Did they get their lawyer to sign a document saying that everything has been returned?
And did these other people have hordes of microcephaloids and microphalloids rushing to defend their behaviour?
Dude, Democrats did it first. And worse. That makes what Trump did ok. See?
Hillary had a server. She had emails directing people to remove markings. She was allowed to scrub her own server 2 years later and other emails were found in other sources showing she deleted classified emails. Her aides destroyed their phones.
Comey took classified materials to his home while trying to go after Trump.
Are you ignorant shrike?
What would you know about an email server? To you a server is the person you don't tip at the restaurant because you think they're a Democrat.
See, I can do it too.
How many of her emails were classified?
Hard telling; she destroyed the evidence, asswipe.
That's a president's prerogative.
And it was.
"And did these other people have hordes of microcephaloids and microphalloids rushing to defend their behaviour?"
TDS-addled shitpile wants to know.
Other than licking them under guard in the basement?
People who take an affirmative duty to care for classified material are required to do that.
Presidents, for example.
But not ex-presidents or their staff.
I started complain in CityWatch on Dec 5, 2016 that Trump was mentally ill and I have elaborated on that fact ever since. I proved that he is a "narcissistic Histrionic with paranoid features," but the Dems would have none of that insight. They wanted a madman in the White House as Pelosi thought that would help her career. I endlessly warned about the dangers of a mental defective in the White House and why a Histrionic was more dangerous than a run of the mill Narcissist. No one anted to hear that and psychiatrists were threatened with retaliation under the Goldwater Rule and the same happened to psychologists. Of course, the GOP would not move against him since the Alt Right is loaded with Fundies who do not believe in mental health. Then, Pelosi sabotaged with Senate impeachment trials. Everyone was making too much money to give a damn about the nation.
Step one to get rid of the Trump menace is for the Dems to get rid of the Pelosi menace
No one wanted to hear Rick because you are an idiot. They don't want to hear a lot of things you have to say. In the mean time, for those of us with any knowledge of this subject and an IQ over 80, you could find documents like this in the papers of any ex President. They likely are not actually classified and even if they were, it wouldn't matter.
THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN!!! Any century now!!!
Well that was a big bucket of stupid.
Speaking of narcissistic…
"I started complain in CityWatch on Dec 5, 2016 that Trump was mentally ill ..."
Whiny pile of TDS-addled shit, aren't you?
Buddy, *you* are the one with mental issues.
Seems that the general consensus is that it doesn't matter if the documents were classified or not and it doesn't matter how they were stored because Trump is above stupid things like rules or laws. Oh, and some Democrat did it first which by itself absolves a Republican from guilt.
No, the general consensus is that they are unlikely to be actually classified. The markings just mean they were once so. And that even if they are, every President takes thousands of documents with them when they leave office and no doubt a few of them are classified.
If you want to go raid Clinton, Bush, and Obama's papers and prosecute them if any of them happened to be classified, maybe we can talk. Since neither the FBI nor their new found toadies like you are calling for that, we can safely assume you are just an unprincipled piece of shit screaming Orange Man Bad and are happy to see the rule of law and normal standards to get someone you don't like.
Thanks for playing jackass.
You basically confirmed what I said and added a personal attack on top to impress the trolls. Good job. I'm sure they are very proud of you.
No I didn't. I just explained to you why this isn't a crime and has never been treated as one. Since you are a dishonest piece of shit who knows nothing beyond emoting "Orange Man Bad", you have no rational response to that. Just shut the fuck up. You are silly and ignorant and your act has long gotten old.
You said that what Trump may or may not have done doesn't matter, and even if it did Democrats did it first. You repeated what I said. Do you have any self awareness at all?
That's not the general consensus. Only people who believe Trump when he said he declassified them via standing order or some other bogus bullshit that no-one has so far seen thinks the documents are unlikely to be classified.
The number of people who believe Trump on faith does not constitute a consensus of Americans. Consensus of idiots, quite possibly.
Do you have any information to indicate the documents were not declassified? (No. You don’t.)
"Trump said it, I believe it, that settles it"
Stuff it up your ass so your head has some company.
The FBI found a ham sandwich! Gotcha!
What a crock. This is so obviously political persecution that the author of this ridiculousness is showing his cognitive dissonance.
After Operation Crossfire Hurricane, falsifying testimony to the FISA court to get warrants for anti-Trump fishing expeditions, Russiagate, Russiahoax, Two (three?) years of the Mueller investigation with a conclusion of "We cannot guarantee that Trump is innocent" (what?!). That letter published the last day of the Obama administration hinting at "whom it may concern" about hiding Fed state activities from the President Trump, two fake impeachments, so here's a hail Mary dumpster dive and a raid, yes RAID on Trump's property, with a court order permitting the carting away of every single document that may have something to do with the entire period of his presidency, day one to day last.
So cram it, doofus, you're not fooling anybody. Much less the guys at the FBI interested in covering up what they did against Trump before. After Hoover's reign, letters to scare off Martin Luther, raids on the offices of Eagleburger's psychatrist, all the rest. Strzok and company such ugliness and these higher-ups in the Swamp Police can "smell" the shoppers in Walmart.
Obama carted off 21 million docs, no problem. Clapper and Brennan perjured themselves at Congress, so what? They're not Trump partisans.
Sow the wind reap the whirlwind. The highest-ups above the higher ups are engineering the destruction of the United States of America, and they think they will come out unscathed. But they will pay whether here or there (no Bill Gates, there is a hell, and you're headed there unless you show FRUITS of repentance), and their children will suffer dearly as much as the poor people who carry the Hitler name.
“Obama carted off 21 million docs, no problem.”
You didn’t even get the misinformed talking point correct: it’s 30 million.
How can anyone looking at this picture conclude with any assurance that they are looking at classified documents? I see cover sheets for classified documents but I do not see any documents with a classification stamp. The purpose must have been to influence without revealing any evidence.
At some point, the "he's too stupid to have committed a crime" excuse simply won't hold water. But his idiot supporters won't care because he sure was a heckuva game show host.
Of course they aren’t going to show the contents of the documents.
Since the President can issue an order to declassify any document, this is a question about whether specific paperwork was in order to do that.
Got it? If we’re to believe this is a "crime", that means it’s a "crime" because some declassification order is deemed to not be correct or sufficient. It’s not a "crime" because of wrongdoing.
Reason betrays their mission on this. There’s no liberty interest in supporting or agreeing to law enforcement action based on disputed paperwork formatting questions. Railroading people because of paperwork irregularities is what totalitarians do.
We'll, Reason has long been an anti Trump tag, so it's not surprising they'd believe whatever the FBI was selling. I mean, they've been nothing of not honest from day one. You've got to be f'ing kidding me with this. The FBI? Seriously? If anyone EVER thought Reason was libertarian, you can forget it.
Then stop frequenting their website.
No, opposition voices are needed. Jumping to the conclusion Trump's lawyers obstructed is nonsense. The FBI went through his wife's underwear drawer. A more plausible explanation is the FBI is just that incompetent. Also they were looking for certain documents about Russiagate that would incriminate many Democrats, they just didn't care about the rest.
No continual bitching and morning about how awful a website is, when it is providing you a free forum to signal your membership in the MAGA army and do group therapy with your fellow right-winger Trump fan joys.
Sullum didn’t jump to that conclusion. He allows for the possibility that the lawyers were sincerely trying to return all documents and it was Trump who was obstructing their work.
“Also they were looking for certain documents about Russiagate that would incriminate many Democrats…”
You can get away with assuming that is solid truth when sitting around with your right-wing buddies, but I’m going to call you on just assuming shit if you make unfounded, conspiratorial comments like that here.
Kash Patel on the Mar-a-Lago Carpet Photo: “First of All It Is Staged. Those Are Cover Sheets… It’s Being Run by Government Gangsters Along with Same Corrupt FBI”
Kash Patel, the former chief of staff to the Acting United States Secretary of Defense under President Donald Trump, joined Benny Johnson on Wednesday following the release of the leaked DOJ documents meant to damage President Donald Trump.
Kash Patel: First of all it is staged… And those red and yellow things you see on the floor are cover sheets. Those aren’t classified. They’re saying they’re supposed to be used when you’re identifying classified documents. But there is nothing on those documents or the underlying documents that the FBI-DOJ are showing President Trump didn’t declassify them… What they are doing is trying this case in the court of public opinion… All I’m seeing is this is continuing to backfire because it’s being run by law enforcement. It’s being run by government gangsters like Chris Wray and Merrick Garland and it all goes back to Russiagate.
Reason won't give you both sides of the story.
Because Kash Patel isn’t even saying anything coherent.
“There seems to be confusion as to the ‘picture’ where documents were sloppily thrown on the floor and then released photographically for the world to see, as if that’s what the FBI found when they broke into my home,” Trump posted on Truth Social hours before his legal team submitted its latest filing. He continued:
Wrong! They took them out of cartons and spread them around on the carpet, making it look like a big ‘find’ for them. They dropped them, not me – Very deceiving…And remember, we could have NO representative, including lawyers, present during the Raid. They were told to wait outside.
Trump’s attorneys also criticized the federal government’s justification for its criminal inquiry into the former president. Trump attorneys said:
The purported justification for the initiation of this criminal probe was the alleged discovery of sensitive information contained within the 15 boxes of Presidential records. But this ‘discovery’ was to be fully anticipated given the very nature of Presidential records. Simply put, the notion that Presidential records would contain sensitive information should have never been cause for alarm.
If no lawyers were present, how did they obstruct the search?
Trump is just being bizarre there. Nobody thought he was the one who put them on the floor. The FBI has clearly stated they found the documents IN BOXES. And some in a leather binder.
"Nobody thought he was the one who put them on the floor. "
The media most assuredly did. Liz Cheney also absolutely did.
Another story Reason refuses to cover:
"The fact of the matter is that the Biden White House is using the Department of Justice and the FBI as political arms of Joe Biden and Democrats’ campaigns to target Biden’s most likely 2024 opponent,” the House GOP conference chair added.
In fact, Stefanik noted that the same agencies involved in Trump’s raid were “just caught illegally meddling in the 2020 presidential campaign when they instructed social media companies to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop from hell.”
If you are talking about the agent who was escorted out of the FBI building because he quit or was fired, he had no involvement with the Mar-a-Lago document seizure.
Which part of “ Another story Reason refuses to cover:” did you miss? Every single word?
Looks like I misread the word “agencies” as “agent”. You are right about that. I am wrong.
The FBI did not tell social media outlets to stifle the Hunter Biden October surprise.
"As we've said, nothing about the Hunter Biden laptop story is new. Below is what Mark told Sen. Johnson in Oct 2020 and what Mark told Joe Rogan this week. The FBI shared general warnings about foreign interference – nothing specific about Hunter Biden."
https://twitter.com/MetaNewsroom/status/1563225392735219713?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1563225392735219713%7Ctwgr%5E1de42cf0b2bd988074ef9c1cf89627dc4a562253%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxbusiness.com%2Ftechnology%2Ffbi-responds-zuckerbergs-claim-joe-rogan-facebook-limited-hunter-biden-story-agency-warning
Stefanik is a lying POS. Surely she read what Zuckerberg said and new better.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Eat shit and die, Asshole.
Constitutional law expert Alan Dershowitz told Newsmax Wednesday that the photo of classified materials at Mar-a-Lago that the Department of Justice attached to a 36-page motion it filed late Tuesday night shows it is selectively editing what it releases to the public.
"It proves one thing: that they're cherry-picking what they release," Dershowitz said during an appearance on Newsmax's "The Record With Greta Van Susteren." "This is classified material, and they're putting it out and giving it to our enemies because they want to — because they can. On the other hand, they redact other material."
"They know that The New York Times and CNN are going to show the picture without comment," the retired law professor continued. "Thank God for you, Greta. You at least have the willingness to say it may have been staged, maybe the Justice Department lawyers put it out there to be photographed."
They put out a photo to be photographed? Of course it could have been staged, or, then again, it wasn’t — you know, since Trump’s own truths and his lawyers do not dispute the documents were there.
The photo - see number tag - is typical investigator practice to show evidence of what is in a box for their records or for a trial. The idea that the FBI was trying to pretend they found them that way is ludicrous - again see number tag - and Dershowitz is just doing his "get on TV" bit without realizing how stupid his "commentary" is.
Gas lighting pretty hard, are you?
Of course the most noteworthy thing to notice in the picture is how obviously the classified documents are labeled, thus destroying any claim to honest mistakes by Trump. No wonder he wants to pretend it's about how neat his office is. Better than explaining how these documents got there.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
So, either the FBI and DOJ are organizations with at least tens to hundreds of co-conspirators who have no pride in their work or patriotism and will therefore partake in a hit job on an ex-president, or Donald Trump is a lying and bragging sack of shit who has repeatedly and in public always acted purely in his own self interest without regard for anyone else, and least of all the US.
Everyone should know without more than a split second reflection that the latter is true. If not, sorry, but there is something seriously wrong with you and it goes to basic human abilities to read others. You and your family may be in danger of being taken again.
“ You and your family may be in danger of being taken again.”
FJB.
"So, either the FBI and DOJ are organizations with at least tens to hundreds of co-conspirators who have no pride in their work or patriotism and will therefore partake in a hit job on an ex-president"
Nah. They will do it to anybody they do not like. Shot a woman holding a woman in the head while she was holding her infant and promoted the shooter.
Yeah, I've met some FBI agents and they were always shooting women and babies. Good observation damik
Eat shit and die, Asshole.
How could they miss them - they were all right there on the floor.
I wonder if he's even aware he's just becoming a mouthpiece reciting FBI talking points. Like, he's just taking DOJ's court filings, completely accepting their narrative that rejects or fails to consider any of the counter arguments, and then reporting that narrative as the absolute truth.
Also, Sullum says that Trump violated three laws, and later in this same story, says that you can't prove Trump violated the law because you can't prove intent. He just can't keep straight his own narrative about what's happening.
It's actually worse in presentation. The claim that Trump broke the law is written as a pure fact. Later, when he admits it might not be against the law, is when he's writing in a more editorial/opinion style, after he's already given us the flat fact that Trump is a criminal. It's this bullshit that makes Sullum so fucking tedious to actually read.
No no, the FBI only lies when it comes to everything else like their sex traffic stings and faking evidence to get into some safety deposit boxes. If it's about Trump, they are a holy avenger of truth and justice.
He sang a far different tune when it came to the federal agents protecting the Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse.
https://reason.com/2020/07/22/trump-deploys-lawlessness-against-lawlessness/
It's what happens when TDS (and its predecessor BDS) takes over the brain. The blinders go down, and the propaganda takes over.
I wouldn't call this "skillful" lying-see my below comment. He's sloppy as fuck as he's copy-pasting the talking points he's getting from the FBI press release and then quickly trying to jot in his own words.
"Trump kept these documents for TWO YEARS, because we all know he wasn't president anymore as of January 2020."
-Jacob "TDS" Sullum.
And they Crossed State Lines!
It was particularly funny when they ran one of these Trump stories accepting as fact the FBIs claims, then later that very same day ran the safety deposit box story.
“Sullum says that Trump violated three laws”
He does not. He says there is further evidence of it. There’s a subtle difference.