California Accidentally Leaked the Personal Data of Thousands of Licensed Gun Owners
Plus: America's falling murder clearance rate, the Fed wrestles with inflation, and more...

The government of California inadvertently made public the names, birthdates, and addresses of hundreds or perhaps thousands of licensed concealed-carry permit holders who live in the state.
California's Firearms Dashboard Portal was launched earlier this week by Attorney General Rob Bonta. Its purpose, according to The Wall Street Journal, was to "improve transparency on the fraught topic." Bonta's office wanted residents to use the portal to obtain details on the number and locations of concealed-carry permit holders.
But on Wednesday, the government acknowledged that the dashboard had accidentally leaked some specific information on Californians who obtained—or were denied—permits between 2011 and 2021.
"Information exposed included names, date of birth, gender, race, driver's license number, addresses, and
Several gun owners alerted the National Rifle Association (NRA) that they had obtained screenshots of the leaked information:
As of Tuesday afternoon, the California DOJ had removed the Firearms Dashboard Portal from its website.
However, on Tuesday an attorney for a firm that works with the NRA California state affiliate, California Rifle & Pistol Association, made clear that he had been provided with video evidence of the breach.
Likewise, firearm news outlet The Reload reported Tuesday that "[a] video reviewed by The Reload shows the databases with detailed information were initially available for download via a button on the website's mapping feature.
The attorney general called the leak unacceptable and vowed to get to the bottom of it.
"This unauthorized release of personal information is unacceptable and falls far short of my expectations for this department," said Bonta in a statement. "I immediately launched an investigation into how this occurred at the California Department of Justice and will take strong corrective measures where necessary. The California Department of Justice is entrusted to protect Californians and their data. We acknowledge the stress this may cause those individuals whose information was exposed. I am deeply disturbed and angered."
As he should be. Inadvertently or not, the state of California has violated the privacy rights of its citizens: not just concealed-carry permit holders, but countless people who sought to become permit holders and were denied over the course of the last decade. That no one's Social Security numbers were leaked is a relief, but the leaking of names and addresses could have any number of ill effects—including, potentially, the harassment of legal gun owners and firearms enthusiasts.
This breach calls into question the very idea of making even granular data about concealed-carry permit holders available to the public. Governments need to be transparent, but not at the expense of citizens' privacy. If the state of California cannot be trusted with such data, then it should not gather them in the first place.
FREE MINDS
The murder clearance rate in the U.S. has plummeted. In the 1970s, cops claimed to solve roughly 75 percent of all murders. Today, about half of murder cases are cleared, according to CBS News:
Some details from my first investigation with @CBSNews:
Cops in the US only solve about HALF of murders in the US. It's the lowest rate ever recorded. https://t.co/Y5LAyAdFGJ pic.twitter.com/NNBdB0uxUf
— Chris Hacker (@chrishnews) June 29, 2022
The Atlantic's Derek Thompson wonders if the earlier, high clearances rates were a "total farce." There's also some evidence to suggest that gun crimes constitute a higher proportion of murders now, making them harder to solve:
The FBI's Supplementary Homicide Report data gives us pretty good data on the share of murders committed via firearm each year and there's a strong correlation between that and clearance rates since 1980.
In 2020 77% of murders were via firearm compared to 67.5% a decade ago. pic.twitter.com/8FIOuZFhgz
— Jeff Asher (@Crimealytics) June 29, 2022
Some are blaming the 1966 Miranda v. Arizona decision, which clarified certain rights enjoyed by the accused, and nominally could have made it more difficult for cops to score convictions. (Miranda also made it more difficult for cops to score wrongful convictions, so even if it corresponded with a lower murder clearance rate, the tradeoff might have been worth it.) But several studies suggest this isn't the case:
https://t.co/YjjWuZwj8Bhttps://t.co/Bxa6JvsWrWhttps://t.co/6UQ3yiYCB1https://t.co/eOuCb29n0p pic.twitter.com/Zivrf7dLN8
— Arpit Gupta (@arpitrage) June 29, 2022
Watch CBS's report on unsolved murders here.
FREE MARKETS
Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell said he is doing everything he can to bring inflation under control. CNBC reports:
Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell vowed Wednesday that policymakers would not allow inflation to take hold of the U.S. economy over the longer term.
"The risk is that because of the multiplicity of shocks you start to transition to a higher inflation regime. Our job is literally to prevent that from happening, and we will prevent that from happening," the central bank leader said. "We will not allow a transition from a low-inflation environment into a high-inflation environment."
Speaking to a European Central Bank forum along with three of his global counterparts, Powell continued his tough talk on inflation in the U.S. that is currently running at its highest level in more than 40 years.
In the near term, the Fed has instituted multiple rate hikes to try to subdue the rapid price increases. But Powell said that it's also important to arrest inflation expectations over the longer term, so they don't become entrenched and create a self-fulfilling cycle.
"There's a clock running here, where we have inflation running now for more than a year," he said. "It would be bad risk management to just assume those longer-term inflation expectations would remain anchored indefinitely in the face of persistent high inflation. So we're not doing that."
Since the Fed started raising rates in March, market indicators of inflation expectations have fallen considerably. A measure of the outlook over the next five years that compares inflation-indexed government bonds to standard Treasurys fell from nearly 3.6% in late March to 2.73% this week.
"We're strongly committed to using our tools to get inflation to come down," said Powell. "The way to do that is to slow down growth, ideally keeping it positive. Is there a risk that would go too far? Certainly, there's a risk. I wouldn't agree that it's the biggest risk to the economy. The bigger mistake to make…would be to fail to restore price stability."
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• Washington Examiner: Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony proves yet again that former President Donald Trump is unfit for office.
• NASA is confused about a "mystery rocket" that crashed into the moon.
• "Without a federal right to abortion, questions about how states can regulate speech about it suddenly become much murkier," says The New York Times.
• Andrew Giuliani, son of former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, lost his primary election to become the Republican contender for governor of New York.*
• Top White House COVID-19 adviser Anthony Fauci is taking another round of Paxlovid to help mitigate his recurring symptoms.
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The government of California inadvertently made public the names, birthdates, and addresses of hundreds or perhaps thousands of licensed concealed-carry permit holders who live in the state.
Inadvertently.
Although of all the people to be potentially victimized by doxxing, this group might be the least in personal danger.
California has a huge problem of criminals waiting for gun owners to leave, then breaking into their house to steal guns. The ag committed a crime and need to be executed
"We've investigated ourselves and found nobody was at fault, and all procedures are followed. Everything is just fine."
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Criminals will actually target them to steal their weapons. It has happened in the past.
I guess you have to actually carry on your person... all your weapons.
Even my throwing stars??
Do you have any flag poles or fire extinguishers?
had to bury them after killing multiple cops.
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I just hope some criminal doesn’t get ahold of my high capacity bear spray semi-auto.
As long as keep your bear in the trunk you should be fine. Wear a mask tho, just in case.
That was intentional and done by some garbage woke NPC in the California government.
Yea, that one doesn't pass the smell test. There's no way that much information gets publicly released by accident.
And immediately downloaded by numerous activist groups.
Well, Robbie is an airhead.
So...
But that hair!
Accidentally on purpose.
Yeah, totes inadvertent.
Accidentally. Just like the mafia and the occasional business fire down on Main Street.
Not accidental:
https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-bonta-releases-new-firearms-data-increase-transparency-and
Exactly.
And remarkably stupid. For example, there are people on that list like Judges, Reserve police, etc who have people with a grudge against them getting out of prison at some point.
Someone in an article about the primary just passed was commenting about progressives (in her case in San Francisco) LARPing the current pure prog ideology, ignorant of how it adversely affects regular people who are trying to live their lives. This is an example of that.
IT was the clear intent all a long even as the law was being written. the writing was on the wall that this was going to happen. Oh gee sorry guys
Accidental and inadvertent, my ass. It was done deliberately.
What I don't know is whether it was illegal or unconstitutional.
Yeah, we are well into the stage where progressive authoritarians do not even bother to hide their bullshit.
They did a press release about it.
Agree. It’s now “we’re gonna illegally f**k over our political enemies, publicly announce that we’ve illegally f**ked them over, and demonstrate to everyone that nothing will be done about it”.
Yea, fuck off with that "accidentally" assumption, Soave.
Dude is nothing but a regime mouthpiece.
Given the recent SCOTUS decision this was nothing more than an obvious ploy to have anyone contemplating getting a carry permit to pause and rethink because well "accidents" happen. Typical Cali gov't thug behavior - "That's a nice thing you have there, would be a pity if every criminal including antifa extremists in the state new about it."
This is a deliberate act on the part of the Democrats who run CA.
Appears to be a typo inadvertently should be "inadvertently".
"Fed wrestles with inflation"
The Biden economy is the best ever. There is no inflation. That's a wingnut.com myth. There has only been a 10 cent increase for a pouch of spittin' tobaccy.
#TemporarilyFillingInForButtplug
His latest suspension from the Washington Post should be over soon, so we should expect him back within the next few days.
However, he's going to have a pretty tough time pretending that he's raking in more millions as a day trader right now when you consider that this is the worst first half of the year bear market in about two generations!
OBL, The Matzos Index is up 15% this year.
Is this wingnut.com again, or anti-Semitic price gouging by matzos manufacturers!? 🙂
"Fed wrestles with inflation"
Let's get ready to Crumble!!
If Jerome Powell wanted to stop inflation he would go postal in the federal reserve, then kill himself
think of the CO2 emissions
That's from Fauci, the CDC, or FDA opening their big fat lying mouths the last 2.5 years.
The murder clearance rate in the U.S. has plummeted.
Too much work. No money in it.
Community hates you, nobody talks to the cops, snitches get stitches, and it's racist to overpolice high crime areas.
That combined with cops being told not to do their jobs will make murders hard to solve.
Can't we be of the optimistic bent that we have fewer false convictions...? Yeah, okay, I don't buy that either.
It's very true.
A lot of today's violence is gang related. Turf wars, grudges, retribution, cartel sending a message... and these guys do NOT talk to the police. The police are just another gang to them, but taxpayer funded.
Pre war on drugs, murders more often (as a percentage of total) was a case of knowing who did it and having to get the evidence. More lover's qarrels, spats amongst friends, etc.
This is all theory. I should dig up some stats to see how wrong I am, but I somehow feel like prohibition -- basically disenfranchising entire communities who feel like the only way to get ahead is in the black market and ti join illicit organizations -- might not have been the best thing to do the last four and a half decades.
Also, yeah, in terms of incentives, officers want to be on drug tasks forces. Search a car, find a big bag of cash, seize it for civil asset forfeiture.
Or if you’re Gerald Goines, manufacture a tip by inventing a CI, pay him (yourself) to purchase black tar heroin, pocket the money, claim your CI purchased it. The get a no-knock warrant, bust in, and if you find evidence of any marijuana or even just guns, you just claim the resident was a bad guy and he clearly destroyed the drugs. And if there’s no guns, you shoot the residents and plant a gun.
That guy is just a legend.
In the 70s we had real cops like Starsky & Hutch, McCloud and Columbo. Now all we have is a bunch of crime scene investigators with microscopes.
I blame Quincy for the sea change.
The DOJ said as much about prosecuting straw purchasers. They told PBS that it was just too hard to do.
It is true. The lucrative gigs are traffic fines, etc.
Hey robby, I heard from a friend who heard from one of your friends that you drink the blood of sacrificed children to keep you hair so nice.
Isn't hearsay testimony fun?
Why do you think Robby is so upset about abortion potentially being banned?
He was so angry, he threw his half-eaten fetus at the wall. There were baby parts dripping down the wall. I grabbed a towel and began wiping up the tiny legs and arms.
is Robby fertile? he is only 34 and given his clear face, the effects of puberty hormone blockers, and his constant shrieking, .....
He might not be but his hair certainly is.
He got a call from Mattress girl, she's late.
Late for what, their his-and-hers appointment at the salon...oh, that.
The friend said something to the effect of, Robby said, "who cares how old the children are, effing drain them."
We're strongly committed to using our tools to get inflation to come down...
Government opens toolbox, takes out its sole occupant: money printer.
If the last 2 years doesn't show how stupid MMT is, I hope I'm not around for the next run.
They just did it wrong. Next time they promise to MMT better.
Sure wish that was a joke.
Real MMT doesn't have a separate Fed. The Treasury prints its own money. No borrowing costs. But I don't think The Fed will give up it's power that easily.
brrrrr
As a transgender (they / them) left-libertarian, I'm not allowed to like Dave Chappelle or any standup routine that attacks marginalized groups. That's OK though because there are so many hilarious liberal comedians who won't offend me. Here's the brilliant Stephen Colbert:
If the Supreme Court is going to allow prayer in the middle of a high school football field, they should allow high school football games in the middle of a church.
OMG LOL ROFL
#GoldenAgeOfLiberalComedy
He's an American treasure. Kimmel is also really, really funny.
Yes, if it's a public church.
How much would you pay to see Colbert play QB in a high school football game? And how much would you contribute to a fund to pay bonuses for QB sacks?
Naah.
Make him a half-back and every play is a run up the middle.
I'd let him return kicks in an NFL game. Not allowed to fair catch or take a knee. No out of bounds. Either that, or run routes across the middle and exempt the d-backs from any penalties.
I'd pay any amount to be the LT to his Joe Theismann.
Government sponsored churches don't permit football?
Why do you think they play football on Sundays?
Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony proves yet again that former President Donald Trump is unfit for office.
Hiring aides that can't even string together words into a plausible lie? Keep that man away from the illusory levers of power.
Waiting for the transcripts of the previous (secret) three rounds of testimony.
They’ll be released right after they catch the Roe leaker.
And the second gunman on the lawn.
Of course, everything she said has been disputed by multiple people who are both willing to testify under oath and have no reason to lie.
But don't let that fact or the fact that she has no evidence any of it is true beyond her word stop you from believing her reason. God forbid reason ever exhibit an ounce of common sense or skepticism when it comes to Trump.
If reason is willing to be this dishonest about Trump, we are left with the question what else do they lie about? In fact, is there any reason to think they are telling the truth about anything?
Another piece of her testimony may be falling apart as one of the people she claimed was there j6 was not per reports.
The whole thing is so ridiculous. But, I know tons of people who want to believe it so badly they won't listen to any logic or reason about it. Believing this sort of nonsense is now the way you signal your membership in the "smart set". It is pathetic.
You mean the usual leftists here like jeff? Who despite all the incorrect portions of her testimony continue to claim hearsay is accurate. That it is up to others to disprove her assertion than anyone providing evidence her assertions are correct?
But, but, she was under oath. UNDER OATH! Surely she knows the consequences of lying to a Senator.
We should bring Lerner in to teach her that importance. Or Clapper. Or... wait this list could get long.
I would not count on anyone connected to politics, including activists, to know what "lying" is.
"Surely she knows the consequences of lying to a Senator."
She does, Lynn Cheney gave Hutchinson a big hug afterwards.
https://twitter.com/greta/status/1542124333912424449
Normally it wouldn't be a good idea to get caught on camera hugging a witness, but they're just fucking with us now.
He doesn't believe it. He just thinks she's super credible because she spoke under oath and because all the first hand accounts have only been given through the media and not the
show trialtotally legitimate select committee.Her being debunked is just a right-wing narrative and we should really wait till all of the video and transcripts are fully released, so until then we should just accept what she says at face value.
And just a wee bit ironic that these "elites" like to claim how intelligent and Sciencey they are. You know, superior.
Most rednecks can be just as delusional, but seldom crow about their braininess.
Most rednecks at least understand how the real world works and can do something valuable. These people not so much. Karen in HR is not exactly a value added employee, just saying.
Most rednecks at least understand how the real world works and can do something valuable.
I watched a YouTube video yesterday with some redneck explaining in a step-by-step manner how to clean and repack the bearings for a Scamp travel trailer. I probably learned more useful shit in that 25-odd minute video than I did in most of the college classes I took.
I am sure you did. If you want your car fixed or the electricity run out to your garage who are you calling? The typical Antifa goon or the typical redneck?
To be fair, who you gonna call if you wake up at 2am and realize you might be a woman/man trapped in the body of the wrong gender?
Also a redneck. They'll give you a beer and smack you upside the head for being an idiot. Or they'll hug you and tell you it's gonna be okay, you just got to get your head on straight.
A redneck knows where gas and groceries originate, how to build a building or fix a car.
To the urban Eloi that's something
the godsgovernment provides.And denouncing her testimony as LIES and DEBUNKED, when that has not been established, is a way to signal tribal membership in the "patriot set".
You have to be part of the “patriot set” to know that hearsay isn’t appropriate testimony?
Or to suspect her veracity when several of the people referred to in her hearsay deny what she claimed?
But Jeffy’s not a lefty. Just ask him.
Back to how credible Blasey-Ford was levels here.
Odd that a progressive witness is ALWAYS impeccably trust-worthy, ain't it?
yeah. Reason not only believed her they believed the broad who claimed there were gang rapes at all these high school parties that she kept going to for some unknown reason.
In fact Robby claimed that the volume of ridiculous accusations made it even more credible. I mean CBF's credibility should stand on it's own merits but when buttressed by a litany of insane accusations the tendency is for the crazy to run off, not to judge everything by the least insane telling.
The claim was that if a lot of people say a lie, the lie must then be true. That is some real top flight thinking there.
Joseph Goebbels approves.
It's exactly what #MeToo is, though. Find some other people to also make accusations, even if the follow-up accusations are just, "He also made this joke I found really offensive" and "I'm not comfortable being alone with him." What any accusation lacks in substance they make up for in numbers, hoping to pretend like it paints a cohesive pattern.
It's nothing more than in-crowd signaling.
But can you blame him? He's not exactly been getting rich. His career trajectory is stuck in perpetual take-off mode meanwhile the price of everything in the world has about doubled.
Fair point.
Yes, we can blame him.
Lying so regularly when your job is to disseminate information negates his right to life.
We have cut down our intake of internet news, and have shifted to watching older movies like Lord of the Rings trilogy. It is telling how the Orcs look like Brownshirt Democrats, Saruman looks like Pelosi, Gollum could pass for Adam Schiff, and the elves, hobbits and good guys are all armed to the teeth to engage in battle. The Dwarves are definitely the Right Wing Nuts
Buy gold!
“Gollum could pass for Adam Schiff”
The most accurate statement ever posted here.
Once again, technology provides direct exposure to human behavior, and provides evidence that people has the same cognitive power and ethics as chimps.
That is an insult to chimps.
"Of course, everything she said has been disputed by multiple people who are both willing to testify under oath and have no reason to lie."
This assumes that they'll be allowed to testify at all.
How would the Spanish Inquisition handle this?
“we are left with the question what else do they lie about?”
Whatever advances their narratives.
Why is anyone surprised the murder clearance rate has plummeted? It is literally the stated goal of the progressives and Marxists in goverment to destabilize society
Including their stated Resistance! to laws, arrests, prosecutions, and prisons, all of which are Racist!
why else would they release thousands of violent criminals due to Covid only to arrest and jail people who didn't wear mask.
Hitler did the same thing he released violent prisoners
Why is anyone surprised the murder clearance rate has plummeted? It is literally the stated goal of the progressives and Marxists in goverment to destabilize society
I always thought the stories in the Old Testament about plagues were fiction. Yet recently I came across a scientific article from Yale, explaining their origins, which has made me pray for plagues to be sent to the US. These could easily wipe out all of our problems which makes me hopeful
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2442724/
Ehrenkranz NJ, Sampson DA. Origin of the old testament plagues: explications and implications. Yale J Biol Med. 2008 Mar;81(1):31-42. PMID: 18604309; PMCID: PMC2442724.
Everyone already died from the plague back in 2020.
"Washington Examiner: Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony proves yet again that former President Donald Trump is unfit for office."
Yup, def unfit.
I mean if all that stuff she said that is unfalsifiable hearsay from anonymous sources, and puts no personal risk to her, that is too cute by half (seriously, ketchup...)...if all those things are true Trump was definitely unfit!
Where does this sound familiar from...
"If Kavanaugh really was getting girls drunk and throwing rape parties, which we have heard from CREDIBLE WITNESSES, then he is unfit to be on SCOTUS"
They're just TOTALLY IGNORING all the people who said parts of her testimony are not true. They're not even trying to refute those statements at all. Just pretending they didn't even happen.
The recent court rulings prove that Kavanaugh is unfit.
The one yesterday sure. What other ones?
Cry more.
"unfalsifiable hearsay'
Hasn't a bunch of it been falsified already?
NASA is confused about a "mystery rocket" that crashed into the moon.
Lady astronauts. What can you do.
If it was lady astronauts, I think we can verify a general sphere of countries it might have come from.
Are you a biologist?
In space no one can hear your gender reveal party explosion.
Musk!
Can't seem to leave him alone, hmm?
CHINESE lady astronauts.
Were they backing up?
Andrew Giuliani, son of former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, lost his primary election to become the Republican contender for city mayor.
Republican contender for what? Eric Adams will be relieved.
The government of California inadvertently made public the names, birthdates, and addresses of hundreds or perhaps thousands of licensed concealed-carry permit holders who live in the state.
Weren't the usual suspects whining and crying and bitching and moaning yesterday about how Reason not covering this story is proof that it's a leftist rage?
*rag*
Reason is supposed to just download The Federalist and re-upload it with different bylines.
As opposed to just being Vox...
I thought this story wasn't true if it came from a right wing source jeff. That was your claim over the weekend.
The fact other media outlets covered the abuse way earlier doesn't irk you? Release of this information isn't a libertarian concern?
Not covering a story when you want them to is the same as not covering the story at all.
You misrepresenting correct statements of it hasn't been covered yet is idiotic. The statements were true until this morning dumbass. The fact is this happened on Monday. Posts were linked in multiple threads. They lost many small comments in roundup threads but ignored it. No new information outside the AG admitted it occurred since the original information was known.
What is your actual issue here? That people correctly pointed out reason hadn't discussed a libertarian issue? They've had what, 8 j6 articles and 15 abortion articles during that time.
I issue is that you are a whiney bitch who whines and complains and then whines some more whenever Reason doesn't cover a topic that you're interested in in a timely manner, and when they do you whine and bitch some more because whining and bitching is what you do best. Well that and lying.
IMywhere is my edit button?
So again I restate.
You claim to be principled. Release of personal information by the state is a libertarian concern. Many here pointed put this release earlier.
But your entire principled statement on this release is to use it to attack the people already upset about the leak. Just like during covid with masks, mandates, and forced quarantine even for those without covid.
Totally got those principled down buddy.
If all you did was point out the story and start a discussion about the story, then that would be one thing. But that's not what you do. You point out the story and then attack Reason for not covering it sooner. Then instead of discussing the story you talk about how the people at Reason are this or that. Then when I point it out you play the victim and start crying because I'm attacking you.
Actually that is all I did. Can you provide your citations?
I could but I'm lazy and you're not important.
Even that might not bug me if they supported Reason financially, but the usual suspects come here during fundraisers and brag about how they don't contribute, even though they camp out here for free every day.
Not only that, but their hatred, lies and antagonism would get them kicked off any other comments board.
What's wrong with that? Are we not allowed to use a comment section to criticize a website?
The hypocrisy of sarc calling someone out for whining.
Also, Reason doesn't issue enough passionate condemnations of Democrats.
(Never mind that it's a magazine called, "Reason", which implies calm analysis. And never mind that Reason writers never issue passionate statements about anything.)
“which implies calm analysis.”
Somebody hasn’t been reading all the Roe coverage.
Or between 2016 and 2021.
I thought this story wasn't true if it came from a right wing source jeff.
I never said that. That is you, yet again, lying and stuffing arguments into my mouth. But that is what you do best. It is like breathing for you, an involuntary response.
Actually you did. It was your clear implications. Multiple people noted it.
Yep. Clear as day.
Do you have a statement of belief? If you do not then by your own standards you are a liar.
I dont call people liars. I'll provide a date. There is one thread there. Sunday.
Anyone left of Hannity is a communist.
And anyone right of Maddow is a fascist. Did we get everyone?
But that's what they use Vox, WaPo, NYT and Twitter for.
You've captured their expectations perfectly.
On the contrary, we're expecting a libertarian magazine to not heed to non-libertarian positions. The Federalist is honest about their positions, Reason hasn't always done that.
No. The were saying reason was busy with trump mania. This happened days ago dumbass. Reason ignored it until today.
Please keep morphing into white Mike though.
They didn't cover the story soon enough! That's proof that they hate Trump!
You truly are an idiot lol. And to think you claim to be pro gun but your only care with this story seems to be attacking people who posted what you supposedly cared about earlier.
If all you did was post stories that you thought were interesting then I'd say great job and thanks. But you don't. You post a story and then go into a long diatribe on why Reason didn't post it sooner. You don't care about the story. You only care about whining and bitching about people, in this case the folks at Reason who are kind enough to let you insult them all day long.
Please give the citation of me or others than can be described as a long diatribe.
You are up to a dozen posts now where your only apparent concern here is attacking others who were commenting about this earlier in the week. Principles!
Unlike you I'm not a troll that saves up quotes and links. Too bad too sad.
So no cites. Got it. Youre lying about it as well.
I'm not a loser like you who saves up links to prove points to strangers on the internet.
Wouldn’t be that hard to find if you were so concerned about it.
Jesse is the perfect example of the right-wing victimhood complex. The entire nation is shifting to the right in front of his eyes and he will nonetheless continue to complain how much of a victim he is.
Wait, weren’t you the guy whining upthread that Clarence Thomas was taking away Texans constitutional right to butt sex and contraceptives? Because someone else forgot to repeal an old law? Then you wanna call out someone else for having a “victimhood complex”?
Interesting tactic Jeff, I’ll give ya that.
Do you claim to be opposed to Uighur oppression in China? Well, I distinctly note the lack of your mention of this oppression today. Therefore it must be the case that you actually support Uighur oppression in China.
/Jesse-logic
Jeff. That is not what is being done here. Are you fucking retarded?
Yep. That's Jesse-logic in a nutshell.
If you don't say anything about something he supports, then your silence is proof of condemnation. Anything you say after is back peddling.
If you don't say anything about something he condemns, then your silence is proof of praise. Anything you say after is back peddling.
Lol. You two wouldn't known logic if it came in cubes if beast ice.
sarcasmic....was this action by the CA AG wrong?
Thats not what matters here!!! Some people noted Reason hadn't discussed it yet!!! Where are your principles????
LOL, I know JesseAZ. I know. But I want to hear from sarcasmic himself/zimself on whether s/z/he believe the action was wrong. I think s/z/he has principles.
Hey retard.
https://reason.com/2022/06/30/california-accidentally-leaked-the-personal-data-of-thousands-of-licensed-gun-owners/?comments=true#comment-9574691
I will accept your apology now.
Just pointing out how conservatives who care about life in the womb get a woody when people without papers die.
Almost like they respect the concept of citizenry.
Cheering the death of people trying to seek better lives is the way one shows respect for the concept of citizenry. Got it.
They don't have papers. That means they're just clumps of cells. They're not people yet.
Of course, this is nothing new:
https://youtu.be/qu-duTWccyI
See my reply below.
No Mike, we just want all who enter this country from outside do so in a fair and formal way. Sounds like good citizenry to me.
Show us where we cheered "the death of people to seek better lives". Get at it.
Ok, I hear you. My question to you was whether you thought this action by the CA AG was wrong.
Do you even need to ask? Of course releasing that info was wrong. It shouldn't be kept in the first place.
Truthfully, I should not have to ask. But we definitely agree it was wrong to release the data like that.
As usual sarcasmic has no ideas to discuss so he initiates attacks on other commenters so they'll talk about him. Next he'll whine that they pay attention to him instead of discussing ideas.
Stop feeding the troll.
But it's not trolling when your girlfriends complain that Reason isn't covering a story, and then explain their motivations. I'm the troll for pointing it out.
your girlfriends
Ideas!
Why did they wait a whole day?!
In the last 100 nanoseconds, Reason didn't mention gun rights at all! Therefore they are secret stealth communists who want to confiscate all guns!!!!!!!!
When Reason doesn't cover a story in a timely manner it's because they're communists. When they do finally cover the story and it's not from a communist point of view, it's because they're all piece of shit liars who are back peddling to appease the conservative bitches in the comments.
I suspect there are only a couple of Reason staff members who ever look at the comments.
I'd be surprised if any of the staff bothers to look.
And the 3 retards defend each other. Lol.
Jesse Walker did post one comment today, on his Christopher Alexander blog post.
3 days.
Inadvertently and accidentally? Yeah! That's covering the story with a pillow.
Top White House COVID-19 adviser Anthony Fauci is taking another round of Paxlovid to help mitigate his recurring symptoms.
Bet he regrets getting the government officials-only saline injection instead of the real vaccine like everyone else.
Don't trust China. China is asshoe.
Lats lacist!
Did you know 20% of Chinese women have cataracts?
The rest drive rincolns and chevrorets.
A Japanese car company was told they needed a name for their product tomorrow. That was the day Datsun was born.
OpenTheBooks successfully sued to get information regarding NIH royalty payments only to have the information sent to them redact both the payee and the payer.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/open-the-books-on-nih-royalty-payments
the NIH and its scientists received an estimated $400 million in third-party paid royalties between March 2010 and today and that they dole out around $32 billion a year in research grants across the medical community.
These were the questions Rand Paul asked Fauci at the last hearing to have Fauci say they don't have to report these payments.
I like the increased transparency. At least we now know who 'bought' our NIH scientists.
Thats the problem. They have to go back and sue now to get it unredacted.
Step by step, we force transparency. That is how it has to be. Force transparency into the system, and people will change their behavior. This is especially true of government bureaucrats.
One of these times I’d really like a judge to toss one of these bureaucrats in jail for a few days for contempt.
Raskin went on CNN and asked why they didn't use testimony from the witnesses now disputing Hutchinson and her hearsay.
"The story that she told is the evidence that I’m aware of, at least within her story, and I’ve not seen anything to contradict it," Raskin answered. "And then, of course, it’s corroborated by everything else we know about Donald Trump’s eagerness to not just incite this march (from the rally outside the White House to the Capitol) and assemble the march and form the march and exhort the people in the march but also to participate in it, he wanted to go into it."
CNN’s Jake Tapper followed by saying, "Your committee interviewed Tony Ornato and Engel, who supposedly told her this story, and I don’t doubt her. I’m sure Ornato told her the story. But your committee interviewed them. Did you ask about this story?"
Raskin replied: "I was not involved in either of those interviews. So I can’t say and I don’t have any knowledge of that. I will just say I’m not aware of anything that contradicts the account."
"As of now, it is hearsay," Tapper said.
Raskin replied: "Oh, sure. We’re not in a court of law, and we’re not charging anybody with any particular offense."
So theybsupposwdly have direct testimony but chose to air hearsay per Raskin in this show trial.
Again, only one side is asking for the release of all testimony.
JesseAZ, it was bullshit yesterday, and it has not aged well. Now it is just smelly bullshit = Hutchinson testimony under oath
If you actually think this leak was an accident, there's no kind way to put it: You're a moron.
If you were being sarcastic, you needed to be less subtle.
29 year old male transgender brags about bearing 13 year old girls in women's skating competition.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/i-wasnt-going-to-go-easy-on-them-just-because-theyre-kids-trans-woman-skateboarder-boasts-after-defeating-young-girls-to-win-championship
He must be so proud.
Like that classic Simpsons episode in which Grimey (he liked to be called that) points out that Homer participated in a contest for children. "Yeah, and Homer beat their brains in!" Lenny triumphantly shouts.
Ever seen "Bad Words" staring Jason Bateman? Good flick.
Or Kramer kicking kids asses at karate.
Remember when we used to laugh at bits like that because we thought they were so absurd?
If this means the Urban Sombrero is on its way, can we really be that upset?
certainly we must be seeing trans female > male athletes also performing well and winning competitions too, as gender is just a construct after all
Once the trans male is able to get over his internalized misogyny there is no limits to how many cis males they can beat.
I hope his parents (at least his "dad") want to kill themselves. After a 93rd trimester abortion.
It needs to be dragged for this to its dying day.
"Dipshit, who as a nearly 30 year old thought it best to take prize money from 13 year old girls..."
There was an article about this with the poor kid saying she wasn't upset about losing. She was just sad about all the hate, and was concerned about how the 29 year old dude pretending to be a woman felt.
That's fucking sick.
Indoctrination seemingly works well.
Indeed. What has been done to children by the sick fuck progressives is a crime against humanity.
That's what happens when you have two mommies.
To be fair (to be faaaaiiir), there was also another person that was 28 that placed 4th. What's worse than beating a bunch of children in a sports competition? Losing to them.
Unless she got there and was like, "Yeah, I'm not going to beat up on a bunch of kids. That would be wrong."
Hey, a Letterkenney reference. Nice.
Check out Shorsey if you haven't, it's also great.
Holy shit lol.
The babylon bee is going to go extinct with all these insane gender ideology weirdos putting out these headlines before the bee can imagine them as a farce
Man Who Identifies as 6-year-old Dominates CrossFit Kids Class (Satire)
https://thereaganconservative.wordpress.com/2017/07/21/man-who-identifies-as-6-year-old-dominates-crossfit-kids-class-satire/
This was foreseen.
from the link:
Neff, who works as a sales associate at Target, was born in 1983 but is currently transitioning to a birth year of 2011. ....Neff began to publicly identify as a six-year-old three years ago...
Damn, thats good stuff right there. I recently started seeing the Woke trend as an endless source of meme, humor and material for Dave Chappelle. I hope he does another Netflix show soon. Public housing projects should be his next target of mockery
"Dave Chappelle Buys Ohio Land Where He Helped Block Affordable Housing Plan"
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/dave-chappelle-buys-ohio-land-191542272.html
I love that this is being called an "affordable housing plan." The developer pledged one acre of their 52 acre parcel for "affordable housing." 52 acres of middle class housing and one acre of poor people.
Didn't Reason write an article condemning Chappelle for that too?
sorry but his latest netflix show on TRANS was superb. The ending was really gripping about his friend, a TRANS
The Bee will have to get in front. What about transgender AND trans-species?
The Sinfest webcomic (sinfest.xyz) has been having fun with trans for a while.
Too Late.
https://notthebee.com/article/i-know-youre-tired-of-the-pronoun-stuff-but-i-thought-it-was-important-to-tell-you-people-are-now-identifying-as-literal-birds
“This is the first one I’ve been to that I actually wanted to win….the age thing doesn’t really count,” Tres claimed.
They're definitely testing for high levels of Cope at the very least.
Robby, the only thing unfit here is you for being any kind of journalist. The testimony fell apart within hours but here you are still peddling propaganda lies and believing uncritically that an AG who is devoutly against gun ownership by citizens inadvertently put them in harms way.
Be fair. Robby is just trying to be a good soldier in the war against mean tweets.
California "Accidentally" Leaked the Personal Data of Thousands of Licensed Gun Owners
FTFY
Fauci states he got a second round of covid 2 weeks after taking new antiviral paxlovid, something not seen with prior antivirals that the NIH declared were not for use with covid.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2022/06/29/dr-fauci-took-some-of-his-own-medicine-and-it-didnt-go-well-n1609284
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo
something not seen with prior antivirals that the NIH declared were not for use with covid.
Sure, with a sample size of N = 1. That's rigorous, pal.
And Jeff once again argues from ignorance. Florida was using other anti viral last year. If you read the article there are multiple examples of secondary covid infections with this antiviral held up as the preferred one for covid.
You've really started flailing recently.
Read about this this morning. Fauci mentions a phenomena called "rebound Covid".
Occam's Razor would tell us that if you test positive then test negative a few days later then test positive again that Paxlovid somehow causes a false negative test. That is surely a simpler answer than that you immediately get reinfected at the point when your antibodies against Covid are at their peak. But since Fauci previously declared there can be no problems with the testing regime... Science!
Either that or Fauci did not stick the swab far enough up his nose. I bet lots of people would be willing to help with that.
I will also note once again you provide no counter evidence as you seek to attack any information that goes against your beloved government. That seems to be your impetus recently.
Jeff knows what his survival depends on.
According to JesseAz if some X have attribute A, then everything with attribute A is an X. He's a retard when it comes to logic and abstract reasoning.
Cite? Seems both you and Jeff didn't bother to read the actual article. Weird you disparage others who did when commenting on said article.
I'm not a loser like you who bookmarks posts by strangers on the internet, so I will paraphrase.
I said something along the lines of "Show me a racist redneck and I'll show you a MAGA hat."
You quoted me and responded with "sarc says everyone with a red hat is racist!"
Aren't you going to defend your skills in logic and abstract reasoning?
Haaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha! Retard.
So again no cite. Weird you call citations lies when provided but don't think you're lying when you dont.
Also did you bother reading the article yet?
You. Jeff. And Mike continue to beclown yourselves.
You did not say redneck in your post by the way. There you go lying about past statements yet again.
No. You're the kind of loser who declares he's moving to "Glibertarians" forever than shows up back here the next day. The kind of loser that boasts of his muting list and then , when confronting a sea of grey, quietly unmutes everyone and resumes trolling.
"This breach calls into question the very idea of making even granular data about concealed-carry permit holders available to the public."
The breach proves that the government should not have any kind of data base on law abiding citizens.
Exactly this.
Privacy has been so eroded people forget that we are all supposed to be considered innocent until proven guilty. We are supposed to be secure in our persons, papers, and effects.
Do you remember Joe the Plumber? Dude who asked Obama a gotcha question at his first campaign? Someone leaked his private tax records to try and discredit him. This is a regular dude, who framed a question, and a government functionary to "confidential" and potentially embarrassing personal information and made it public to shut him up.
The government is staffed with people. People cannot be trusted with secrets. Period.
Without a federal right to abortion, questions about how states can regulate speech about it suddenly become much murkier
Not really. It was "You can't" before, and it's "You can't" now.
One has nothing to do with the other. There is no federal right to use deadly force in defense of your home. Some states have that right via the Castle Doctrine and other states do not. I am unaware of any restrictions on speech regarding the issue or indeed any issue that is not considered a federal right.
That has to be the dumbest thing I have read post Dobbs.
So you haven't read reason the last week if that's the dumbest take you have heard.
I would say delete your period tracker app is the dumbest take
I have avoided the abortion threads for that reason. The period tracker app one was pretty amazing. I guess it never occurs to the reason staff that there are millions of women out there who have no intention of ever having an abortion. It is amazing the bubble they live in.
The period app piece was stupid, but I think Nick's SEX POLICE was the dumbest of the week.
What about the National Park abortion tent displays?
https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/track?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3A268a282f-a1f9-3aef-a6af-62bbcab46ac8#pageNum=7
In South Carolina, they are proposing making it illegal to:
(1) providing information to a pregnant woman, or someone 4 seeking information on behalf of a pregnant woman, by telephone, 5 internet, or any other mode of communication regarding self-6 administered abortions or the means to obtain an abortion, knowing 7 that the information will be used, or is reasonably likely to be used, 8 for an abortion; 9 (2) hosting or maintaining an internet website, providing 10 access to an internet website, or providing an internet service 11 purposefully directed to a pregnant woman who is a resident of this 12 State that provides information on how to obtain an abortion, 13 knowing that the information will be used, or is reasonably likely to 14 be used for an abortion; 15 (3) offering or providing abortion doula services, knowing 16 that the services will be used, or are reasonably likely to be used for 17 an abortion; 18 (4) providing a referral to an abortion provider, knowing that 19 the referral will result, or is reasonably likely to result, in an 20 abortion; and 21 (5) providing a referral to an abortion provider and receiving 22 monetary remuneration, or other compensation, from an abortion 23 provider for the referral.
Hey. You dropped your assertions on who they are willing to go after. Congrats.
Seems like there ought to be some first amendment problems with that.
There are, but that won't stop jeffy from a Handmaid's Tale rant.
See? There we go. Team Red proposes a truly awful anti-free-speech bill in the name of banning abortion, and all you can do is complain about a criticism that I didn't actually make.
Youre defending sarc from screaming about people noting reason didn't talk about the gun leak above.... are you just a complete hypocrite?
Yes.
The bill is truly awful, and it is also facially unconstitutional in terms of free speech and restraint on interstate commerce. Even if it were to pass it would face immediate challenge which it will not survive. There are a plethora of cases on point, including the ones regarding blueprints for firearms.
Yet when the Dems have proposed hate speech legislation that is even worse, you inevitably post the wildest 'right wing' overreaction you can imagine to derail arguments against it in advance. If your buddies beat you to it, you jump in to rail against their detractors. I have watched this consistent pattern for 5 years now.
You pretend to rational criticism against only one side. Always. Who exactly is supporting a team? It is not me.
Yeah I think so as well.
So let's hear it one more time about how Team Red loves free speech, amirite folks?
Neither team is all that great on free speech. I still think on balance the right is better. Much of the left seems actively hostile to free speech as a value at this point.
Jeff doesn't care what the left does. And you're a far right ultra maga racist for stating this.
'High on meth' driver of doomed Texas tractor-trailer could face DEATH PENALTY alongside newly arrested fourth 'co-conspirator' after 53 migrants died of heat stroke in the vehicle's trailer
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10963683/San-Antonio-migrant-deaths-lead-slow-effort-ID-victims.html
I don't understand the big deal. They're just migrants. It's not like they had papers or anything. That would make them people. But without papers they're just clumps of cells.
Your sarcasm is, as usual, weak.
Might want to choose a different handle.
Remind me why your opinion matters.
It's not just my opinion, son.
I know. Lots of people don't have a sense of humor, and I can't force myself to give a flying fuck about anything they have to say.
No. It is the fact that you aren't funny at all.
There's one.
Apparently you do since you took me off mute and even when I was, talked about me often.
I only took you off mute so I could refute your lies.
Cite? Again. Posting your past comments are not lies.
I look forward to seeing Jesse lie and you refute it, instead of vice versa.
It'll make for a refreshing change.
I point out his lies every day. You can't see because your nose is buried in his snatch.
You probably haven't noticed, but Jesse is a boy. Now Chemleft, on the other hand, lies constantly, and instead of pointing it out I've seen you actively run cover.
You calling people liars carries no weight at all.
For example I might say "What a beautiful blue sky" and you'll say "I see a cloud you fucking liar! You're a fucking liar! Liar! Liar! sarc is a liar! Look at him! What a liar! Everything he ever said was a lie! See that cloud? See it? That's proof!"
No weight whatsoever.
If it is every day you can cite one example.
"For example I might say "What a beautiful blue sky"
...and it would feature a mushroom cloud, or be the middle of the night and full of Nazi bombers or something.
To be honest I've never met a guy as pathologically wrong as you on so many things.
Also, whining about being called the a liar immediately after calling Jesse a liar, is a pathetic even for you.
Awww. Thanks guys.
"Stupid" =/= "funny", but "stupid" means he can't figure that out.
"Lots of people don't have a sense of humor"
You provide a clear case of such an issue.
GG thinks they should have been shot at the border.
The driver shouldn't be arrested, he should be given the Medal of Honor!
Maybe given an allowance towards his annual tag limit as well.
I mean they are trespassing. And we all know your views on what the government can do for trespassers. Need the link?
ya that was an American citizen with an opposing political view
these were brave illegals who the democrats could have offered free shit too in hopes of getting votes
see the difference?
Are they trespassing when they sleep in an apartment that they rent?
Are they trespassing when they go to work?
Are they trespassing when they buy groceries?
Unless apartments, employers and stores are government property, and walking around without papers is trespassing on government property, I'm afraid comparing wops to trespassers is kinda weak.
Yes. They are trespassing when they illegally cross the border. Next retarded question?
So all property is owned by the government?
The border is. You do not get to justify trespass by saying "somebody inside the place I'm not allowed to enter wants me here".
The only way people without government papers can be trespassers is if the government owns everything, and we're only here by their grace.
Is that what you're saying?
…..if the government owns everything,
Try not paying your real estate taxes.
The only way to keep billions of the worlds poor from coming here and overwhelming our resources and services that we all pay for is to have a border. Should we not have one?
Is that what you’re saying?
Do I really have to repeat?
Yes to all of the above, because all those places are located within US borders.
The federal government can charge you with trespassing when you have the consent of the owner of the property?
Well of course, because the same crowd which says "communism is evil" simultaneously believes "the state owns all property" when it comes to immigration.
Well, property taxes clearly show that the government DOES own your property. If not, you could refuse to pay your tax and not lose the property.
China doesn't have property taxes. Fucking commies.
China doesn't have yearly property taxes, the government takes their cut at the time when homes are sold -- and the amount that they levy can be huge.
Da, comrade!
Refuse to pay property taxes on principle and see what happens to said property.
It will taken from you.
So are you arguing that the government *should* own all the property and therefore use its ownership powers to dictate to everyone who may or may not enter every parcel of land?
Or, as I suspect is the case, are you going to make whatever convenient argument is at hand to justify the end result that you seek?
"So are you arguing that the government *should* own all the property and therefore use its ownership powers to dictate to everyone who may or may not enter every parcel of land?"
Mr "Murder Is OK For Trespass", no, stating reality is not saying it is a good thing. I have to ask now if your illogical gibberish you write here is because you simply cannot read and we should not expect basic intellect out of you as it would be unfair to do so.
Plenty of real things are bad. People die. I do not think "Wow, death is great" by noting reality.
"Or, as I suspect is the case, are you going to make whatever convenient argument is at hand to justify the end result that you seek?"
Mr "Murder is OK For Trespass", no, I am simply stating how things are. Again, if the government can seize your land if you do not pay them...who the fuck actually owns the land?
Outside of being dishonest, being dumb is Jeffy’s biggest trait.
"The federal government can charge you with trespassing when you have the consent of the owner of the property?"
Adorable you think that the government does not ultimately own your property.
Hey, if you refuse to pay property taxes, what happens to "your" property?
Is that a good thing?
No. But it does not make it less the case.
So that's your argument. Because citizens pay property taxes, we don't own anything. Government owns it all. That gives government the power to treat anyone without papers as a trespasser. Since trespassers can be shot, that means illegals are all dead people walking. See an illegal on the sidewalk? Trespasser! Shoot the motherfucker! He doesn't have papers!
"So that's your argument. Because citizens pay property taxes, we don't own anything. "
Because if we do not pay them, we LOSE the property...yes, it means we do not own it. Sorry, that is reality. Shouldn't be, but the world does not run on "Should".
"That gives government the power to treat anyone without papers as a trespasser."
Immigration law does that.
"Since trespassers can be shot, that means illegals are all dead people walking."
I do not agree with shooting for trespass, but I am not chemjeff, who quite explicitly does.
The illegals who died here were in a tractor trailer. Not shot.
The illegals who died here were in a tractor trailer. Not shot.
And good riddance too, right? They didn't have papers, which makes the clumps of cells instead of human beings.
"And good riddance too, right? They didn't have papers, which makes the clumps of cells instead of human beings."
Hardly. You'd be applauding it if they were.
So, sarcasm and logic are two things you've shown you suck at today. Care to keep adding to the list?
Hardly. You'd be applauding it if they were.
So, sarcasm and logic are two things you've shown you suck at today. Care to keep adding to the list?
You apply bad logic and accuse me of sucking at logic. Really?
crap I forgot every newline means new italics tags. let's try again.
Hardly. You'd be applauding it if they were.
So, sarcasm and logic are two things you've shown you suck at today. Care to keep adding to the list?
You apply bad logic and accuse me of sucking at logic. Really?
There we go.
He is also bad at simple html tags. As shown 2 posts up.
"Are they trespassing when they sleep in an apartment that they rent?"
Yes.
"Are they trespassing when they go to work?"
Also yes.
"Are they trespassing when they buy groceries?"
Yes, as well.
So anyone without government papers should be shot on sight. Is that about it?
I would have said no, but scholar chemjeff said murder is an appropriate punishment for trespass, so I guess it is.
Enter places you do not belong and bad stuff can happen. I only have so much empathy to provide for somebody putting themselves in a high-risk situation and then dying.
I thought that if a woman dressed up like a slut, went to a party full of nasty people, got drunk and passed out, then got raped, that if you put any responsibility on her then you're blaming the victim.
You need to get your narratives straight.
Why are you ignoring that it was your new BF that said trespassers should be shot?
Sarcasmic doesn't remember every little thing his besties write... or even what he writes.
I left off the forever because nobody can stand sarc for that one.
That long*
"I thought that if a woman dressed up like a slut, went to a party full of nasty people, got drunk and passed out, then got raped, that if you put any responsibility on her then you're blaming the victim.
You need to get your narratives straight."
You might want to take this up with your boo, chemjeff.
Deflect more.
Given that I cited him in the comment you were responding to, there is no projection.
Just a realization that you are terrible at sarcasm, logic, and reasoning.
Just a realization that you are terrible at sarcasm, logic, and reasoning.
"I don't understand jokes, which means you're stupid."
"I don't understand logic, which means you're stupid."
"I don't understand reasoning, which means you're stupid."
Sorry dear, but the one who doesn't understand is the stupid one.
"Sorry dear, but the one who doesn't understand is the stupid one."
Yeah, we know.
But at least you're coming to grips with your shortcomings.
Did you really just post upthread about people who “apply bad logic”?
Maybe your rape and murder analogies qualify as bad logic.
It is not desperation to climb into the back of a truck and get closed in with known felons at the wheel. It is stupidity.
Driving on a public road isn't trespassing.
And I love how you immediately try to turn the discussion into a personal grudge, and you completely ignore and presumably tolerate people like GG saying undocumented migrants should be shot at the border.
If they trespass, per chemjeff theories on law, they SHOULD be shot.
Yes.
From what I understand of criticaljeffism, trespass is a capital crime.
It isn't a personal grudge jeff. It is something you openly said.
I remember it.
chemjeff radical individualist
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What is there to talk about?
From a libertarian perspective, Ashli Babbett was trespassing, and the officers were totally justified to shoot trespassers. Again from a libertarian perspective, the officers would have been justified in shooting every single trespasser. That would not have been wise or prudent, of course.
They were all trespassers trying to be where they weren't supposed to be.
Jeff caught lying AGAIN?!
Lost count of the lies from that lying pile of lefty shit.
Damn, Jesse. Harsh...but true.
How are you defining "trespassing"? I've always thought that was a stretch. The whole country isn't the collective property of all Americans. Everyone gets to decide who they want to allow on their property.
Illegal immigrants, in many cases, committed the crime of crossing the border illegally. But as I understand it, simply being in the country illegally is a civil matter.
Everyone gets to decide who they want to allow on their property.
As long as you maintain responsibility for your guests...
I have no problem with immigration with sponsorship and 100% liability for actions committed by the immigrants to the sponsoring party.
^
They crossed the border illegally. It is trespass. Just like if you went into a business illegally, it is trespass. You were not granted legal presence to do so. Same is true at the border.
We aren't discussing visa overstays on this question. The question is predicated on crossing the border illegally per Jeff's comment.
public roads =/= private business
How could "trespassing" on public roads even be a thing?
Do you even remember what you write. About guns at the border. Don't change your argument now for being an idiot.
How could "trespassing" on public roads even be a thing?
Here's a simple example in our country. Go through a toll without stopping to pay or having a transponder.
The 'public' roads are provided by the citizenry of the country and managed by the government, for example the paving of the road. When you visit another country, they literally ask that you stop and get permission to use their public roads (provided to their citizens.)
Go to Canada and blow through their border checkpost and see if they treat you as if you are a trespasser or just a visiting tourist who may or may not want to rent an apartment and shop for groceries.
And one more time, before you decide to trot out that link again:
I said that shooting for trespassing in order to defend one's property *may be* justifiable from a *libertarian perspective*. You know who else agrees? Everyone who supports something like a Castle Doctrine. Do you support a Castle Doctrine? If so, and a property owner shoots a person whom he/she believes is trespassing on property, what do you think should happen to that person? Hmm?
I never said that capital punishment is a just punishment in a court of law for the charge of trespassing. That is you twisting what I said. And I never said that the government, acting in its law enforcement capacity, ought to have the power to shoot trespassers on sight.
I attempted to present a nuanced logical argument but what did it get me instead, you twisting it into some bullshit strawman.
So no, you are simply wrong on the facts and you are wrong even on what I said. Undocumented migrants are not trespassers on public roads, and even if they were, it would not be just for law enforcement to shoot them in order to enforce a law against trespassing.
No you didn't. I posted your full comment above. Lol.
You are full of shit.
Hey, if your side thinks "abortion all the way up until the umbilical cord is cut" is the true majority position, just introduce a constitutional amendment. If it's the majority position, it will pass easily.The driver shouldn't be arrested, he should be given the Medal of Honor!
Nah, driving a semi rig while high on meth does deserve the death penalty.
The first comment was supposed to go in another thread, I just decided to consolidate the responses.
Well, that's apparently what people like you and Biden think.
If you thought of these migrants as people, you wouldn't favor luring them to their deaths.
"The murder clearance rate in the U.S. has plummeted."
And I never even realized that I could buy a murder at a clearance sale.
The economy ain't just spittin' tobacky.
I get mine wholesale
Where at? My shit list is getting kinda long.
Post the list.
Sorry dear, but I'm not giving you something to masturbate to. That's just gross.
Post the list.
I'd say your mom except bacteria like you reproduces by fission.
Post the god damn list.
Number 1 with a bullet. Randy Newman.
Man, terminal resting bitch face Liz Cheney is as rotten as her old man.
I hope both of their black souls go to the lowest circle of hell.
Guess she'll be working for CNN or MSNBC soon. No way she gets re-elected does she?
I believe she is currently sending out campaign flyers instructing Democrats on how to change parties for the Wyoming primary in a couple weeks.
So no, no chance.
Yeah, but then she publicly praised the Dobbs decision.
Almost like she's a ditz of a nepot who has no idea how retail politics actually works.
Even if she does move on to an MSDNC gig she won't last two years. Eventually she'll end up on a corporate board somewhere, being paid just enough to shut up and remain unobtrusive.
She is really dumb as a post. Don't think for a moment she has any principles. Everything she has done she did because she thought it would make her more popular and powerful within the Republican Party. It is pretty amazing to think how stupid and how far removed from reality someone has to be to think that but that is her.
Far enough removed that she thought she could hug Hutchison after her testimony and nobody would notice or care.
https://twitter.com/greta/status/1542124333912424449
It makes me wonder just how dumb her dad actually is. The myth was that George W was the dope and Cheney all the brains. The existence of Liz Cheney makes me think that perhaps Cheney was the dope. Holy cow, she is stupid.
This is what blows my mind. How is she this stupid? She hitched her wagon to the democrats- and by extension, the progressive left- and that wagon train in flames. They're going to get clobbered in the midterms. I can't believe she miscalculated so badly.
The only thing I can think of is, the fix is already in for 22 and 24, and Cheney's been promised something.
"They're going to get clobbered in the midterms."
Nothing a little fortification can't fix.
Her dad was a nearly perfect personification of Machiavelli's 'prince'. Which means that reputation was everything and unconditional love was unthinkable. Since she didn't have to fight to earn a reputation, it was always against the odds that Liz would be anything other than a manipulative approval seeker.
The DNC needs 'opposition' to appear legitimate and Liz is everything they might desire in an opponent.
She's not dumb, she's just self-righteous and a shitty politician who benefitted from running for Congress in a deep red state. Arrogantly declaring that GOP voters have to make a choice between Donald Trump and the Constitution shows that she doesn't know how to navigate hotpoint issues in her own party, and that she can't get anything done when the deck isn't already stacked in her favor.
Liz doesn't need to slum it as a news commentator except for occasional guest gigs on CNN. Her background is all in lobbying firms before she even tried to establish residency in Wyoming to begin with, and she'd have her pick again thanks to her family connections.
I am grateful to Liz Cheney: she reminded me of why I used to hate the Republicans so much. I'm glad they have changed.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-1530_n758.pdf
The Supreme Court just struck down the EPA regulating CO2 under the clean air act. I haven't read the opinion but the word is that it isn't as sweeping or restricting of agencies as had been hoped. That said, it pretty much ends all hope of the feds regulating CO2 since I can't see such a scheme ever getting through Congress, which is a very good thing.
"I haven't read the opinion but the word is that it isn't as sweeping or restricting of agencies as had been hoped."
Didn't Roberts write the opinion?
The usual pussyfoot around and insure the issue is never resolved BS he always pulls.
Roberts wrote the opinion. And it appears it is exactly as you describe but it is killing regulating CO2 as a pollutant and that is a very good thing. Goresuch wrote a concurrence that would go much further restricting the administrative state than the Roberts' majority opinion. It contained this beauty of a footnote.
For example, Woodrow Wilson famously argued that “popular sovereignty” “embarrasse[d]” the Nation because it made it harder to achieve “executive expertness.” The Study of Administration, 2 Pol. Sci. Q. 197, 207 (1887) (Administration). In Wilson’s eyes, the mass of the people were “selfish, ignorant, timid, stubborn, or foolish.” Id., at 208. He expressed even greater disdain for particular groups, defending “[t]he white men of the South” for “rid[ding] themselves, by fair means or foul, of the intolerable burden of governments sustained by the votes of ignorant [African-Americans].” 9 W. Wilson, History of the American People 58 (1918). He likewise denounced immigrants “from the south of Italy and men of the meaner sort out of Hungary and Poland,” who possessed “neither skill nor energy nor any initiative of quick intelligence.” 5 id., at 212. To Wilson, our Republic “tr[ied] to do too much by vote.” Administration 214.
That is first rate.
Wilson. The democrat that stole the torch from Teddy and the Progressives. Revered by FDR and Truman, his attitudes are the foundation of the modern Democrats. They certainly have not lost their passion for the politicization of race.
https://www.woodrowwilsonhouse.org/wilson-topics/woodrow-wilson-domestic-policy/
Or their utter patronizing contempt for blacks and anyone not a lily white liberal.
Though the Gorsuch opinion only got Alito to join. So, even though Roberts wrote it, it does not seem that there were 4 more votes for it anyway. We will see.
It's too bad. We were all hoping for a complete gutting of the administrative state. Oh well.
Yeah, that thing had real potential to nerf the authority of three-letter agencies across the board, which is probably why Roberts ended up writing it.
"Top White House COVID-19 adviser Anthony Fauci is taking another round of Paxlovid to help mitigate his recurring symptoms."
Maybe he should try injecting bleach.
They may not be referring to COVID symptoms, but senile dementia.
Got a nudge from the agents since they haven't been getting much ink recently:
"Green Day Frontman Billie Joe Armstrong Renounces US Citizenship and Vows to Move to UK"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/green-day-frontman-billie-joe-armstrong-renounces-us-citizenship-and-vows-to-move-to-uk/ar-AAYVkHq
Wasn't he gonna move to Canada if Trump won?
Maybe he found out about how tight Canada's immigration laws are.
Chinese billionaire loophole?
He didn't want to be a Canadian idiot.
🙂
His dozen fans are devastated I am sure. I am okay with artists who were once a legitimately big deal remaining in the public eye past their prime. Whatever you think of Paul McCartney, or U2, or Elton John or Mick Jagger, there is no denying they were at one time a very big fucking deal. But, Green Day was never a "big fucking deal" by any measure. They had a couple of hits, sold a few records and should have faded to obscurity a very long time ago. Jesus Christ, is anyone asking Joan Osborne or the Psychedelic Furs what they think of Dobbs? Someone needs to explain to Armstrong, he is no longer a celebrity.
Someone needs to explain to Billie Joe that the UK's abortion laws are far more restrictive than California's.
That too. A whole bunch of British actresses are bitching about Dobbs need to be informed of this.
His net worth is estimated at 75 million. The exit tax is gonna be yuuuuge.
We'll see if he's serious after he sees the UK tax rates.
Or their abortion laws.
They're never serious. I wish they were. Just do it already.
Biden: "[T]he one thing that has been destabilizing [the world] is the outrageous behavior of the Supreme Court of the United States in overruling not only Roe v. Wade, but essentially challenging the right to privacy."
https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1542496745371975680?s=20&t=QjsUOoUDssbiswXtQ0iXCA
The President of the United States says SCOTUS is destabilizing THE WORLD.
certainly not his failed policies on Russia/Ukraine which have made Putin laugh all the way to the bank. No, its abortion law in the US. That's destabilizing the world.
Pudding for brains
The border, General; don't forget the border.
In fairness, he isn't talking to you or I or anyone with an IQ above 90. He is talking to the Chemjeffs of the world who will actually believe that.
"the outrageous behavior of the Supreme Court of the United States"
Imagine if Trump would've said this. TeenReason would've lost its shit.
"Now shut up and take your mandatory booster."
"But on Wednesday, the government acknowledged that the dashboard had accidentally leaked some specific information on Californians who obtained—or were denied—permits between 2011 and 2021."
I can't even. I mean, so may levels. So. Many. Fuck'n. Levels.
""Without a federal right to abortion, questions about how states can regulate speech about it suddenly become much murkier," says The New York Times."
the "oppress me daddy" fever dreams of the left continue unabated I see.
They all want a daddy or to be a power bottom.
Showing the dangers of total echo chambers,
More fat blue hairs in Handmaid's Tale costumes incoming.
Too bad they cant be more like Princess Leia in ROTJ slave costumes (with matching body). That would really send a message and stick it to the man
Though I guess if those hogs are going to protest its best they keep covered in a robe or moomoo
The left would hate to have to return to advocating that free speech be unfettered.
"Biden was asked how long it’s fair to ask Americans to pay record high gas prices.
Biden: “As long as it takes.”
Not sure that’s a strong midterm message."
https://twitter.com/mattdizwhitlock/status/1542504146808369157?s=20&t=CntvAz7Y6HHuFjditmYxWw
You will suffer as long as they see fit to make you suffer.
Biden: “As long as it takes.”
It is America's job to suffer for Joe Biden's principles. He is such an embarrassing piece of shit. And he isn't going to go away. I thought they would get rid of him after the midterms. Now, I don't think so. They can't get rid of him because Harris is even worse. Meanwhile, Biden being the most bullheaded selfish bastard on earth is not going to voluntarily step down. He is going to run. And the Democrats have no one who can beat a sitting President, even the worst President in American history, in the primaries. They are stuck with him. Before this is over, any honest Democrat will end up wishing the Democrats had just agreed the election was stolen and given the job to Trump. They would be a lot better off if Trump had won.
There are more tears shed over answered prayers than over unanswered prayers.
Saint Teresa of Avila
The Democrats are getting a four year lesson in the truth of that statement.
Unfortunately, so are the rest of us.
UK and Germany want G7 countries to make croplands used for biofuels available for food production, due to anticipated food shortages. The US and Canada blocked it, because it would complicate environmental goals. So people can fucking starve in service to the green agenda.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/06/26/joe-biden-block-boris-johnsons-answer-global-food-crisis/
People are going to start starving. Maybe not here but in some places where you wouldn't think they would. It is bad, but I think it is going to cure a lot of idiots of going along with the greens. It is bad, but it sadly may be the only thing that will get people to wake up and put a stop to this insanity before it is too late.
The UK is already talking about rolling black outs and electricity rationing over the winter. Food shortages and no power, and we're not even talking about the parts of the world where you'd expect that. It's the "industrialized nations" facing third-world conditions, and they did it to themselves. All that power generation they turned off or decommissioned? They didn't realize you can't just switch it back on whenever you want to.
tons of loss leaders across various sectors of society have been allowed to flourish over more pragmatic products because the economy was just so good for a while.
theres a lot of fat that needs painfully trimmed, and all the green energy stuff, people are going to see, is an ornamental virtue signal that people have no use for in hard times. Countries that blew their wad on that junk without appropriate sane investments are going to be begging for some sweet russian oil
Afghanistan and a lot of other 3rd-world countries are going to be absolutely fucked once the winter sets in.
It's for own good, I guess. =T
Hey, like the man said, we're at war and in the middle of an incredible transition, remember?
Even the hilarious cope-a-thons coming out of the mainstream media feature people who are all but admitting, "this guy just doesn't know what the fuck he's doing" through a bunch of arm-waving about "the other side."
The desperate flailing to blame it on anyone but themselves is hilarious. It just gets more and more absurd. At this point, it's like the boilerplate plot to some 90's era dystopian YA novel, except there's no plucky teen hero to save us all.
I'm not going to go digging back through 3-4 days worth of comment sections to find it, but some moron the other day said no one on these boards was even hinting at inflation coming about as a result of all this COVID relief, and that all this criticism of Biden for not seeing it coming wasn't fair as a result. Well, lookie what I found here:
A Thinking Mind
March.18.2020 at 4:04 pm
In other news, Congress announced their place to raise inflation 5% for the foreseeable future.
sarc even led off with this comment during the first round:
sarcasmic
March.25.2020 at 9:24 am
Let's print a bunch of money and lower the value of the dollar! That'll help people out!
Sorry, but if a bunch of randos on a internet comment section could see it coming in March of 2020, there's no reason the assholes marionetting President Smoothbrain should have been taken by surprise.
Yeah, making it illegal for a huge section of the country to go to work and then writing everyone big checks might cause inflation? Who could have seen that coming. Gee fucking up the supply chain and restricting the supply of goods combined with increasing the supply of money caused inflation. It is almost as if inflation is the result of too much money chasing too few goods. As the kids say these days, big if true.
It fucking dumbfounds me that anyone couldn't see inflation coming. But, these are the same morons who in the 00s thought real estate prices would never stop increasing much less ever go down. So, it is not like they were bright to begin with. Now we know they also are not trainable or capable of learning from experience.
Except that the prevailing explanation for inflation is corporate greed. Greedy corporations raise prices because they're greedy. Workers demand more money not that everything is more expensive. Greedy corporations give everyone a raise, and then raise prices. Workers demand more money. Greedy corporations raise prices. Wash, rinse, repeat.
It's all the fault of greedy corporations because bad intentions. Monetary policy has no effect on inflation because good intentions.
If the inflation was a result of corporate greed (meaning it wasn't inflation), then why didn't they do this earlier? How come the inflation happened while the Biden administration was doing so much government spending? You're gonna have to provide a better explanation than that.
Pretty much every financial podcast I listened to said "this means massive inflation". Of course, maybe that's just the kind of sensible podcasts I listen to.
You could even calculate the amount of inflation by dividing the amount of unfunded spending by the money supply.
I believe it was White Mike who made that asinine claim.
nobody believes it was an accident, Rob Bonta
Top White House COVID-19 adviser Anthony Fauci is taking another round of Paxlovid to help mitigate his recurring symptoms.
Perhaps there's some horse de-wormer in his future.
Considering that chances are very good that COVID was created and accidently turned loose on the world in no small part thanks to Fauci funding gain of function research in China, I can't shake this strange feeling that justice demands that the old bastard die of it. I wouldn't wish death on anyone but I can't shake the feeling that his own creation is going to end up killing him. Life just has a way of working like that.
I'm not one to tease Karma but I'm sure someone out there would joke about him also catching the other thing he's notorious for.
Removing water fountains from my grade schools?
Honestly, it's not bad with crackers once you get used to it.
>>strongly committed to using our tools to get inflation to come
Dear Penthouse ...
Who knew we elected a fluffer-in-chief.
It was, uh... accidental. Yyyeeah, that's it, that's the ticket....
Right... "Accidentally." Sure it is. I suppose it's also just a coincidence that this happens just after the feds pass a federal red flag law.
"I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet."
They accidentally queried a database and pushed the results to a web page that displayed the output in a readable format? I wish all of my web apps "accidentally" wrote themselves! ????
It's advantageous if it is accidental. It allows for the stronger argument that these databases should be killed off entirely.
"These people, working with only our best interests in mind I'm sure, still failed to prevent a massive security leak. This, of course, hurts LGBT+ folx the most."
They were aided by the spirit of Rose Mary Woods.
'Accidentally'
Robby - you're pathetic man. Please stop pretending to be a Libertarian. It's clear you're just a stooge for the Democrats at this point.
Well, the first half of CY '22 is effectively over now, and here's the grim, dismal final carnage in the major U.S. stock indexes this second quarter:
Dow Jones: -11.3%
S&P 500: -16.4%
NASDAQ: -22.4%
Of course, the picture is even more bleak when you look at what the indexes have done Year To Date:
Dow Jones: -15.9%
S&P 500: -21.1%
NASDAQ: -30.3% (!!)
Boil it all down, and it's the worst first half year for the American investment markets since 52 years ago in 1970. You probably won't be surprised by any of this if you keep occasional tabs on your 401(k) plan. You probably also won't be too shocked to learn that the Atlanta Fed has just made a huge downward revision to their Q2 GDP projection, all the way down to -1.0%.
Welcome to the recession, population you, me, and all of us!
The headline should say "California Leaked the Personal Data of Thousands of Licensed Gun Owners."
It is far too soon to say whether this was accidental or intentional, so just say "leaked," which is true.
I think that as pro-gun people investigate, we'll probably find that mysteriously, any important Democrat politicians or donors or operatives who are supposed to be in the CCW database (such as Sen. Diane Feinstein) are somehow not doxed, while everyone else is, in which case we should draw the conclusion that this was an intentional leak. Sure, there are some judges in the list, but judgeships are typically considered nonpartisan offices; the real key is to look for clearly partisan Democrats' private info in there.
Accidentally, my ass. A head needs to roll.
Penalty of perjury. It's like Jeffy lying about his blood sugar level while ordering another Vermonster.
how much weight does an oath hold in a show trial put on by one side when you have said all the things the state / hollywood producer wants you to say?
and vowed to get to the bottom of it.
Later, as the AG furiously masturbated to Gavin Newsome's portrait in his office, he thought to himself, "And I am already there," just as he slipped his thumb into his asshole.
The point of a border is to restrain governments from trying to extend their reach beyond where they are entitled to go.
The border between the US and Mexico is a line that restrains the Mexican government from claiming territory in the US, and restrains the US government from claiming territory in Mexico.
Why should a border restrain free citizens, not operating under the direction of any government, from traveling as they please?
Well, there are many people who overstayed visas. So no illegal border crossing.
And even when they did enter illegally, they are guilty of that, but as I understand it their continued presence is not an additional offense. So I'd say legally at least, "trespassing" isn't the right term to use.
many migrants standing in a tsa line will become so frustrated they'll turn around and walk home.
Without shoes.
“The point of a border is to restrain governments from trying to extend their reach….”
Lol. When a government encourages their own poor citizens to migrate north they can certainly be seen as not having our best interests in mind.
Whether that “extends their reach” or not really doesn’t matter.