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Reason Roundup

Republicans Defend Texas Social Media Law—and Compelled Speech

Plus: Twitter defends user anonymity, Oklahoma legislature approves abortion ban, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 5.20.2022 9:30 AM

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A blatantly unconstitutional Texas social media law can start being enforced unless the Supreme Court steps in. The law was blocked by a U.S. district court last year after internet advocacy and trade groups challenged it. But a new order from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit means Texas can begin enforcement of its social media law—and wreak havoc on the internet as we know it in the process.

NetChoice and the Computer and Communications Industry Association (CCIA)—the groups that filed the lawsuit against the Texas social media law—have now submitted an emergency petition to the Supreme Court asking it to intervene. Meanwhile, Texas and a slew of other states with Republican leaders are advocating for the law, which would treat large social media platforms like common carriers (such as railroads and telephone companies) that have a legal obligation to serve everyone.

How we got here: The Texas social media law (H.B. 20) bans large platforms from engaging in many forms of content moderation—including rejecting unwanted content outright, limiting its reach, or attaching disclaimers to it—based on the viewpoint said content conveys. It's similar to legislation passed (and blocked, for now) in Florida.

Borrowing a page from George Orwell, supporters like Texas Gov. Greg Abbott say the law is designed to protect free speech. But in addition to protecting people and private entities from censorship, the First Amendment also protects against them being compelled by the government to speak or host certain messages—which is exactly what H.B. 20 does.

Accordingly, Judge Robert Pitman of the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas held last December that H.B. 20 violated the First Amendment and issued a preliminary injunction against enforcing it.

But Texas appealed, and last week the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit issued a stay on the lower court's decision—meaning Texas can start immediately enforcing the social media law.

The 5th Circuit did not offer an opinion explaining its reasoning, so it's hard to say what's going on there. In any event, NetChoice and the CCIA are now asking the U.S. Supreme Court to step in.

Internet groups respond: H.B. 20 "is an unprecedented assault on the editorial discretion of private websites…that would fundamentally transform their business models and services," state NetChoice and the CCIA in their petition to the Supreme Court. Without the ability to moderate based on "viewpoint," all manners of distasteful and offensive content would have to be permitted, the groups suggest:

HB20 prohibits covered social media platforms…from engaging in any viewpoint-based editorial discretion. Thus, HB20 would compel platforms to disseminate all sorts of objectionable viewpoints—such as Russia's propaganda claiming that its invasion of Ukraine is justified, ISIS propaganda claiming that extremism is warranted, neo-Nazi or KKK screeds denying or supporting the Holocaust, and encouraging children to engage in risky or unhealthy behavior like eating disorders. HB20 also imposes related burdensome operational and disclosure requirements designed to chill the millions of expressive editorial choices that platforms make each day.

NetChoice and the CCIA want the Supreme Court to vacate the 5th Circuit's stay and allow the district court's order to remain in effect "while an orderly appellate process plays out," they write. "Vacating the stay in this case will maintain the status quo while the Eleventh Circuit also considers a parallel appeal concerning a preliminary injunction against Florida's similar law," they add.

The common carrier conundrum: Texas, of course, does not want a return to the status quo. In a response to the NetChoice and CCIA petition, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton argued that it's OK to violate the First Amendment rights of large internet companies "because Texas law declares the platforms are common carriers. The State may therefore properly limit the platforms' ability to discriminate among their customers."

"It is well established that a common carrier 'can make no discrimination between persons,' and is 'bound to accept all goods offered within the course of his employment,'" states the Texas response, comparing social media platforms to telegraphs and telephones.

The idea that social media must be treated like a common carrier is wrong, points out John Bergmayer at Public Knowledge.

There isn't one single characteristic that demands that a service be treated as a common carrier, or prevents it from being one. The policy question is simply whether common carrier regulation would be socially beneficial with respect to a certain service, or whether there are alternative models of regulation that might work better.

But the idea that social media should be treated like common carriers has become a popular (if incredibly short-sighted and weird) conservative talking point.

Of course, a phone company or a telegraph company—where information is communicated privately between two (or a small number) of people—is nothing like social media, where speech by one user can reach all users. In arguing to treat social media like common carriers, conservatives could make these platforms havens for content that makes other users flee and repositories of things—like frank discussions and depictions of sexuality—that conservatives in other realms are fighting to suppress.

For a detailed and multifaceted case against treating social media platforms like common carriers, see this post from George Mason University law professor and Volokh Conspiracy contributor Ilya Somin.

Alas, Paxton is far from alone in pushing to treat tech platforms like common carriers. Angry at perceived bias against conservative users, Republicans have been embracing any tool within reach to try and bludgeon Big Tech with it.

Conservative Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas has also expressed support for treating social media companies like common carriers.

In this case, 12 states have filed an amicus brief with the Supreme Court supporting Texas' law, reports The Washington Post. Tech companies have an "enormous control over speech" and "the states have a strong interest in seeing that it is not abused," states their brief.

"In its effort to protect conservative speech, Texas Republicans have adopted a historically discredited left-wing legal theory, dispensing with core conservative values in the process," suggested Thomas Berry and Nicole Saad Bembridge in a recent piece for Reason:

In the 1960s, a group of progressive scholars argued that the First Amendment does not merely prohibit the government from censoring private speech and press. In fact, they argued, it granted the government the affirmative power to control the mass media. In a capitalist system, they reasoned, the government must ensure that private media owners do not exclude unwelcome viewpoints, in order to protect the "democratic interest" in free speech. To this end, the scholars championed the Fairness Doctrine, right-of-reply mandates, and expansive applications of "common carriage" doctrine, which enable the government to force the inclusion of certain content.

Borrowing from the same playbook, Texas now argues that First Amendment values require, rather than prohibit, government interference with private speech. H.B. 20 declares that social media platforms are common carriers like telephone companies and thus are subject to onerous restrictions over who and what they may host. According to Texas, H.B. 20 serves the democratic interest in protecting the free exchange of ideas and information. But like the collectivist efforts that preceded it, Texas' misguided attempt to advance "First Amendment rights in the Lone Star State" violates private platforms' First Amendment rights to choose what speech they publish.

A dangerous precedent? In a brief filed with the Supreme Court in opposition to H.B. 20, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the ACLU of Texas suggest that allowing the law to stand could set a dangerous precedent.

H.B. 20 "challenges core pillars of the freedoms of speech and the press" and "while Texas has chosen to target new digital platforms today, its defense of HB 20 offers no limiting principle that would prevent it from turning  its attention to the most traditional of media tomorrow," they suggest.

TechFreedom also portends reverberating effects. "No one—no lawyer, not [sic] judge, no expert in the field; not even the law's own sponsors—knows what compliance with this law looks like," said Corbin K. Barthold, director of appellate litigation at TechFreedom, in a statement.

"Indeed, HB 20 is designed to generate as much litigation as possible. Any social media user in Texas may sue to undo any act of content moderation," notes Barthold. "Each lawsuit will contend that the real basis for the content moderation was the poster's 'viewpoint.' Take a ban on beheading videos. Is that a viewpoint-neutral policy against a certain type of content? Or is it at heart a viewpoint-based anti-ISIS rule? Such questions are infinite, and, under HB 20, they'll be litigated."

Many of the strongest defenders of social media (and the internet more broadly) against attacks like Texas' H.B. 20 have been libertarians. Whereas liberals were once broadly and staunchly protective of free speech, they now have their own problems with the First Amendment and social media, as journalist Jeff Jarvis points out in this thread:

I am no lawyer or legal scholar, to be sure. I have great respect for the Knight Center and these authors. But as a journalist, a few assertions here deeply trouble me. 1/https://t.co/Fu7j66w4vo

— Jeff (Gutenberg Parenthesis) Jarvis (@jeffjarvis) May 19, 2022


FREE MINDS

A win for online anonymity. "A federal judge has said he's ready to quash a subpoena to Twitter over an anonymous user," reports Law.com. Twitter had moved to quash the subpoena, which "included probing questions" about the plaintiff's "possible connection to hedge fund billionaire Brian Sheth, who was targeted by the Twitter user whom the subpoena seeks to identify." U.S. District Judge Vince Chhabria "heartily endors[ed] an amicus brief from the Washington, D.C.-based Public Citizen, saying it 'may be the most helpful brief I've ever read,'" Law.com points out.

"Because an order compelling disclosure of a speaker's identity, if successful, would irreparably destroy the defendant's First Amendment right to remain anonymous, the court must balance the parties' respective interests," said the Public Citizen brief. "Whatever a speaker's reason for choosing anonymity, a rule that makes it too easy to remove the cloak of anonymity will not only harm that speaker's right but, by chilling speech from those who know their vulnerabilities, deprive the marketplace of ideas of valuable contributions."

Law professor and author Jeff Kosseff, author of The United States of Anonymous, notes that "Twitter routinely goes above and beyond to advocate for its users' ability to speak anonymously."

"Of course there is a lot of debate about Twitter and free speech these days," Kosseff added. "As someone who has studied this particular area of free speech for years, I can say that Twitter has been committed even in very challenging cases."


FREE MARKETS

Oklahoma lawmakers approve abortion ban. A measure that passed the Oklahoma House 73–16 on Thursday would ban abortion at "any stage of gestation." The measure—which cleared the Senate in April and is modeled after a bill passed last year in Texas—would allow the ban to be enforced via civil lawsuits. If it becomes law, individuals could sue Oklahoma abortion providers or anyone who "aids or abets" an abortion.

"The bill makes exceptions for cases of rape and incest, but only if those crimes have been reported to law enforcement," notes The New York Times.


QUICK HITS

• U.S. intelligence agencies "prohibit literally millions of former public servants from speaking or writing about government policy without first obtaining the government's approval," notes Just Security. On Thursday, the Supreme Court considered a petition "asking the Court to revisit Snepp v. United States, the forty-year-old case atop which the intelligence agencies' far-reaching system of prior restraint has been built."

• Canada is lifting restrictions on gay men donating blood. Under current Canadian policy, gay men can only donate blood if they haven't had sex in the past 90 days. (This is still the policy in the U.S.)

• The First Amendment protects the right to put a tiny penis on a beer label.

• Emails verified by The Washington Post show Tucker Carlson and his wife asking Hunter Biden—someone Tucker has repeatedly bashed on his Fox News show—to help their son gain admission to Georgetown University. "The interactions reveal the extent to which Carlson was willing to turn on a former associate as he thrives in a hyperpartisan media world" and " how Carlson once sought to benefit from the elite political circles in Washington that he now regularly rails against as the 'ruling class,'" suggests the Post.

• Biden's baby formula airlift stunt should never have been necessary, writes Reason's Eric Boehm.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    A win for online anonymity.

    You mean I changed my birth certificate to Fist O. Etiquette for nothing?

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          1. Rob Misek   3 years ago

            Social media platforms are the new town square.

            People censor speech to serve their corrupt private interests as they convey only their misinformation to coerce others.

            The first ammendment guarantees against that, as does this good Texas law.

            1. Rob Misek   3 years ago

              Even niggers get to ride the bus.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    The bill makes exceptions for cases of rape and incest...

    Because nothing says respect for the sanctity of human life like a death sentence for the sins of the parent(s).

    1. Michael Ejercito   3 years ago

      It was a necessary compromise with fathers of underage teen girls.

  3. Rich   3 years ago

    What?! Nothing about the Musk sex scandal?!

    1. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

      Am surprised it took this long. Generally MoveOn, OSF, et cetera has a proxy teed up with an accusation ready-made against their ideological opponents.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Just wonder when she gives the 250k settlement back for violating the NDA she agreed to.

        1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

          I doubt that will be a problem for her after her Gofundme gets in the millions.

        2. Overt   3 years ago

          The interesting thing is that it wasn't this person, but "A Friend" who knows about it. A friend who happens to be a rich, lefty activist actress.

          1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

            Yeah.

            The actual recipient hasn't been quoted at all. It's generally hearsay with no vetting and the article I read said that the person it happened to refused to speak to them.

            In all honesty, it sounds like the root cause was something simple. And to just put the HR complaint to bed they paid the girl enough to give her money to pay her lawyer, back fill for any work she claimed to have missed, and have plenty of time to find a new job.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Or the Twitter announcement that they will be the arbiters of any newsworthy event and determine the correct facts.

      1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

        If Fauci can be The Science, then why can't Twitter be The Facts?

  4. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    U.S. intelligence agencies "prohibit literally millions of former public servants from speaking or writing about government policy without first obtaining the government's approval..."

    First rule of Deep State.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Canada is lifting restrictions on gay men donating blood.

    Mountie? I don't even know he.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Trouble is, it’s now mandatory to donate.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

        You can't honk when the needle goes in.

        1. mad.casual   3 years ago

          You mean as written law or unspoken truckstop policy?

    2. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

      So, gay men can be hosers too.

      1. Minadin   3 years ago

        Not the kind of equality we want, but the kind we deserve.

  6. Rich   3 years ago

    HB20 would compel platforms to disseminate all sorts of objectionable viewpoints—such as Russia's propaganda claiming that its invasion of Ukraine is justified, ISIS propaganda claiming that extremism is warranted, neo-Nazi or KKK screeds denying or supporting the Holocaust, and encouraging children to engage in risky or unhealthy behavior like eating disorders.

    As opposed to voluntary dissemination like you just did.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Authentic journalism can do it, not you.

    2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      Does this make more digital ink that Reason has spilled decrying the horrifying thought of uncensored online discourse than they have discussing the regime unilaterally creating an agency to police speech?

      1. DesigNate   3 years ago

        They crossed that threshold before the DGB had even been considered.

    3. JesseAz   3 years ago

      This article came across more of support for the disinformation board, just pushed through corporations instead. Or a form of fascism she supports.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Yeah. The 'How we got here' section that even references 'common carriers' without explaining what a common carrier actually is rather than just giving an example felt very 'And then, for no particular reason at all, the German people decided to elect Adolph Hitler.'

        The fact that a Good Samaritan speech protection law is being used to beat up maligned internet travelers and leave them at the roadside gets memory-holed by a paid agent of Minitru and the story that a politician saying everyone gets to use the roads equally is Orwellian.

    4. JesseAz   3 years ago

      and encouraging children to engage in risky or unhealthy behavior like eating disorders.

      And how is this worse than encouraging kids to go through surgery or permanent chemical castration?

      1. USA_Jew   3 years ago

        Psychiatrists approve of gender transitions and disapprove of eating disorders. Relying on the approval of psychiatrists is a bad standard to follow.

      2. retiredfire   3 years ago

        encouraging children to engage in risky or unhealthy behavior like eating disorders
        So they won't be able to stop YouTube videos of kids eating Tide pods, or tablespoons of cinnamon any long...wait, what?

    5. Nemo Aequalis   3 years ago

      Libertarians:

      https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/106/849/385/original/c2f5a3f621f264dd.jpeg

      1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

        Ideally that should be libertarians scrambling to grab the bat so they can break it in little pieces, but even that kind of libertarian is at a disadvantage. When it comes to "who wants it more", it's always going to be the totalitarians willing to lie, cheat, steal, assault, murder, and burn down apartment buildings with children trapped inside just to extract whatever concession they can from larger society.

      2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        Better depiction of Libertarian thought process is to have the Libertarian holding the bat but refusing to swing it except in self defense.

        Surrounded by pink haired septum-pierced non-binaries urging the libertarians to hit them , please hit me daddy, and the libertarians still saying "no".

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          There’s libertarians, and there’s “libertarians”.

    6. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      when a kid has an eating disorder the correct action is to affirm their choice. Just like sex change surgiry at the age of 4

      1. retiredfire   3 years ago

        Diet pills and gastric bypass surgery for anorexics.

    7. Nardz   3 years ago

      Or pretty much everything leftists say

  7. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Emails verified by The Washington Post show Tucker Carlson and his wife asking Hunter Biden—someone Tucker has repeatedly bashed on his Fox News show—to help their son gain admission to Georgetown University.

    Those emails must not have been on Hunter's laptop if the Post found them.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      But no, hunter isn’t trading on his father’s position.

      1. HorseConch   3 years ago

        Good to know that a crackhead degenerate has pull. Anyone that thinks our institutions of higher learning are going downhill can rest assured that they're not.

        1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

          That should be the story here: why does Georgetown University give strings to a creepy crackhead to pull?

          1. HorseConch   3 years ago

            That's a multi-millionaire, jet-setting creepy crackhead to you.

          2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

            To get him to go away, presumably. You wake up even once with Hunter huddled in the corner of your living room you'll start granting any favor you can to make sure that doesn't happen again.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      This was the non Russian disinformation found on the laptop. Ignore all of the emails regarding millions from China for Joe and his son.

      1. thrakkorzog   3 years ago

        The laptop is fake news, except for the bits that are slightly embarrassing to the guy we don't like.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    "...Carlson once sought to benefit from the elite political circles in Washington that he now regularly rails against as the 'ruling class,'" suggests the Post.

    And that's how you discredit the content of Carlson's message.

    1. HorseConch   3 years ago

      It's not any different than Trump buying influence when he was just a slimeball developer. The fact that those crooks do you an undue favor is on them, not you for receiving the benefit.

    2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      And that's how you discredit the content of Carlson's message.

      By demonstrating his case in action?

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

      A traitor to his class!

    4. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      It’s more to discredit Tucker’s character.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

        Why bother.

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          Fair point.

      2. R Mac   3 years ago

        No shit?

      3. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Surely what mainstream media should focus on over government or political corruption.

      4. Sarcasmic’s Welfare Caseworker   3 years ago

        The left has largely squandered their credibility. Plus they’re so shrill and it never stops. People are becoming numb to their insane claims.

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          Relevance to the Tucker Carlson story?

          1. Sarcasmic’s Welfare Caseworker   3 years ago

            The attempts of the prog collective at discrediting Tucker. No one who isn’t already a leftist cares what you say.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Biden's baby formula airlift stunt should never have been necessary...

    Creating a crisis to badly solve is what government does.

    1. Rich   3 years ago

      'The government is good at one thing. It knows how to break your legs, and then hand you a crutch and say, "See if it weren't for the government, you wouldn't be able to walk". ' -- Harry Browne

    2. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   3 years ago

      Lord of Strazele let us all know this is a failure of markets that government has to fix.

    3. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      You can't fix any windows if they don't get broken. That's Economics 101.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    ...a phone company or a telegraph company—where information is communicated privately between two (or a small number) of people—is nothing like social media, where speech by one user can reach all users.

    Then we'll just make a law that all phones are party lines now, smart guy.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Are there still Telegraph companies?

      1. Minadin   3 years ago

        That's one of the T's in AT&T.

    2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      Really? that's the Libertarian Case For Censorship?

    3. JesseAz   3 years ago

      I wonder if ENB knows how internet connections actually work.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        All signs point to no.

        1. Sarcasmic’s Welfare Caseworker   3 years ago

          Is she just not that bright?

    4. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      I mean, why should the NSA be the only one allowed to listen in?

      1. Minadin   3 years ago

        Don't worry, the Post Office is also listening in.

        https://reason.com/2021/07/12/the-usps-semi-secret-internet-surveillance-apparatus/

  11. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    Hey Peanuts are you enjoying this Biden economy as much as I am? Warren Buffett is in the green this year which means everything is going great! Your portfolio should be worth much more now than at any time during the abysmal Trump economy. If not, fire your financial advisor.

    #TemporarilyFillingInForButtplug

    1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

      #StillALittleWeak

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        It has been pretty effective in stopping shrike from defending bidens great economy messaging.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          But wouldn’t that be better parody at this point?

  12. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Under current Canadian policy, gay men can only donate blood if they haven't had sex in the past 90 days.

    THAT'S EFFECTIVELY A BAN!

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      At that rate, only married guys could donate.

      1. Eeyore   3 years ago

        Lol

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Plenty of incels out there. Maine is chock full of them.

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          They aren’t even sure about the current price of lobster rolls.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Thank God we can always go back to Cuban sandwiches in these hard times.

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              The nearest deli with one on the menu is an hour drive away. Guess I'll have to settle for lobster rolls.

              1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

                Hmm, well, as a libertarian I respect your right to do with lobster rolls as you please. I just hope you don't eat it afterwards.

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  Shhh! My special sauce is a secret!

              2. R Mac   3 years ago

                You never made it more than an hour from your house until last year?

          2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            JesseAz learned a new word on his calendar today. Isn't is cute?

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              And what word would that be, sarcasmic?

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                poutine

                1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  Not "dipsomaniac"?

            2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

              Jesse has an It Pays to Increase Your Troll Power calendar.

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                Speaking of trolls...

                Mike Laursen
                September.18.2021 at 11:38 am
                SQRLSY, can you cover for me today? In a typical day, I usually:
                – post a comment or two pointing out logical flaws, contradictions and partisanship in Ken’s essays, which he regards as examples of flawless logical thinking
                – post a comment or two pointing out that Ashli Babbitt was not a saint and the January 6th MAGA rioters were violent
                – post one “Fuck Tulpa!” comment

              2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                You two don't even make sense.

                And this response is because I made fun of sarcasmoc for crowing about knowing the word extrapolation. Lol.

                God you two are terrible at all parts of life.

                1. R Mac   3 years ago

                  Not true. Dee’s good at squawking like a bird, and sarc’s good at getting blackout drunk.

              3. Sarcasmic’s Welfare Caseworker   3 years ago

                You’re the troll here. We have civil discussions of substance. You’re a lying threadshiter.

  13. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

    'Thus, HB20 would compel platforms to disseminate all sorts of objectionable viewpoints—such as Russia's propaganda claiming that its invasion of Ukraine is justified, ISIS propaganda claiming that extremism is warranted, neo-Nazi or KKK screeds denying or supporting the Holocaust, and encouraging children to engage in risky or unhealthy behavior like eating disorders.' I call bullshit on compel, to disallow restrictions in accordance w/ 1A is not to compel. Further, there was a time when writing or speaking about these points of view, be they repugnant, unpopular, or risky, was recognized as protected under 1A. Civil libertarians, the A'CL'U, and those interested in individual rights knew this. Today, those purporting to support civil liberties and the dreadful progressive activists at the A'CL'U 'know' the opposite.

    1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      What are the scare quotes around CL for?

      1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

        Because the aclu no longer cares about civil liberties

        1. Minadin   3 years ago

          No, they changed it to Commie/Liberal a while back. And they should probably think about dropping the Liberal.

    2. DarrenM   3 years ago

      I notice the objection is to have to disseminate "objectionable" viewpoints. It's perfectly OK to disseminate false or misleading information as long as it's not objectionable, which mean you happen to agree with it. The issue seems to be whether certain types of social media platforms should be treated as common carriers or not. However, if the applicable government designates social media companies as common carriers by law, that is their prerogative. If you don't like it, then vote for someone else. That's the way it works for most things.

    3. Nardz   3 years ago

      Hey, that's heresy talk!
      Call the commissar!

    4. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      Really appalling for a "libertarian" magazine to promote this shit. All of the scary "disinformation" listed above was available before Al Gore invented the interwebs. You might have to buy a book or pick up a tract or show up an event somewhere but it was always available. But now that some teenage girl might develop dangerous eating habits because she saw it ONLINE! libertarians are cool with censorship. Sad to see Reason become the rotting corpse of what it once was.

      1. retiredfire   3 years ago

        It seem REASON wants to be able to decide who gets to speak in the public square.

  14. Longtobefree   3 years ago

    " . . . the First Amendment also protects against them being compelled by the government to speak or host certain messages . . . "

    So Reason agrees that the forced use of grammatically incorrect "preferred pronouns" is a violation of the first amendment, and that "misgendering" is a phony made up concept.
    At last.

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Just ignore the story out of Wisconsin and various school districts.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        They are.

    2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      I’m sure Reason does agree with your first point, since them are libertarians.

      Your second point probably has varying support among the staff, since “Reason” is not a lockstep ideological institution, and believing or not believing in the whole gender fluidity thing is not a libertarian issue, until we are talking about government involvement in the issue.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Caw caw!

    3. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      "misgendering" is not a phone made up concept. It is a convention some consider polite and others consider silly (put me in the silly camp) but it's not made up. And it's also completely outside the purview of the First Amendment.

  15. Moonrocks   3 years ago

    Some uncharacteristically good news for this timeline:

    Court rules SEC’s internal judges are unconstitutional

    https://archive.ph/H8ips

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      That is good news.

  16. Overt   3 years ago

    "Of course, a phone company or a telegraph company—where information is communicated privately between two (or a small number) of people—is nothing like social media, where speech by one user can reach all users."

    While I generally agree with ENB's points, this is a pretty weak argument against a common carrier. This has never been a criteria used to determine whether or not a service was a common carrier. (Indeed, ENB is too young to know that for years, many rural customers of TellCos had to share group lines for their neighborhood, called "Party Lines", which indeed performed many to one or many to many connections).

    I think it is compelling to say that these aren't monopolies. We are already seeing Facebook and Twitter hammered by TikTok and other companies. We are seeing YouTube battled by Twitch. I know the further retort will be, "Yeah but these other companies have their own problems or are part of the same Tech Cabal", and I agree that is a plausible argument.

    And yet, the market is already coming up with mechanisms to short-circuit those exact Bit Tech controls. Web3 is by design built to avoid dependence on large architecture. And even new social media platforms that aren't built on that stack are being engineered to avoid dependence on some of the big stacks.

    If there is anything that the government SHOULD do, it should be investigating the illegal collusion between corporations such as AWS and Twitter to deplatform rival companies (Parlor). If the Texas AG had done that, we would know a lot more today about the Federal Government's role in that event. And conservatives should note that when we find out just how much the government was involved in stuff like the same day banning of Alex Jones, and Parlor, it spells all sorts of peril for Americans if we increase the power in the government to regulate this type of speech.

    1. raspberrydinners   3 years ago

      Illegal collusion?

      Oh c'mon. The simple truth is that AWS and GCP and the like don't want assholes on their platform. It's not like they changed their ToS- it was the exact same one when Parler first signed up.

      They didn't do shit about moderating after multiple notices from AWS and therefore were kicked off.

      It's more like freedom of association- AWS, Apple, etc. don't want to be associated with a platform that freely hosted speech of white supremacists, racists, those advocating violence, etc. and therefore stopped working with them.

      This isn't "collusion", it's common sense.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        It's more like freedom of association- AWS, Apple, etc. don't want to be associated with a platform that freely hosted speech of white supremacists, racists, those advocating violence, etc. and therefore stopped working with them.

        Wrong. They were under direct orders from the Democrat Party to shut down conservative speech. Prove they weren't. You can't. That means it's true.

        1. Overt   3 years ago

          You've been doing so well lately, don't slip up now.

          Let's be clear: I did not say anything about the Democratic Party. I specifically discussed collusion between private companies, that last I checked, was illegal. And I specifically called out investigating whether or not there were acts within the federal or state governments designed to precipitate this.

          1) For example, Sarc, would you agree that the federal or state government sending notices to private companies and telling them that certain speech should be pulled offline is getting pretty close to censorship? If that is being done in private, how will we know unless there is an investigation.

          2) As another example, if a government functionary sends a note to a leader saying "We are concerned that the speech on this platform may subject you to prosecution under Patriot Act blah blah", and AWS then terminated that platform, perhaps that is an example of censorship- depending on the particulars?

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            I'm not defending what the government did. It has no business telling companies what they should or should not print. Thing is, had Trump been reelected I'm sure his followers would be cheering as he sent the machinery of government after "fake news."

            I don't see anyone operating on principle here. It's all about who, not what.

            1. Overt   3 years ago

              "Thing is, had Trump been reelected I'm sure his followers would be cheering as he sent the machinery of government after "fake news.""

              But so what? He wasn't elected, so it doesn't really matter.

              What is more important: picking fights with the magas who have no power right now, or dealing with the very real possibility that the Government is skirting 1st Amendment restrictions using illegal collusion with its allies in the private sector?

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                I'm just pointing out that it isn't a partisan matter. The other team will do the same thing given a chance. That isn't bashing magas. My point is that people with power will use it regardless of party affiliation, and most partisan followers will cheer when their team does what they would decry as unconstitutional if done by the other team.
                Principles? The only people I see with principles are those who shun both parties.

                1. Overt   3 years ago

                  "I'm just pointing out that it isn't a partisan matter."

                  So what? I haven't suggested otherwise[*]. I have consistently made the point that if Conservatives create these laws, they will be giving the left some terrible powers when they eventually get their term.

                  But who are you fooling. Your response was not nearly so high minded. You constantly jump into threads with mocking parodies of those commenters who live in your head. I think you do it to troll, but whatever the reason, I took you to task because it was irrelevant to the argument I was making.

                  Liberals and Conservatives are *both* working to create laws governing online speech. If we are going to avoid yet another ratchet on our freedoms, libertarians need to clearly articulate the lines that the government must not cross when dealing with private companies. And since we only have Democrats and Republicans in charge right now, one of them is going to have to investigate the collusion going on.

                  [*]: The closest I have come to this is to point out that only Democrats as a majority support the government and private tech companies restricting freedom of speech in the name of combatting misinformation. Republicans and Independents do not agree. That is a serious problem considering their leaders currently run the federal government.

                  1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                    Then we're in agreement. You're just pissed that I'm making fun of magas while doing so. Get over it.

                    1. Sarcasmic’s Welfare Caseworker   3 years ago

                      We’ve talked about this at that intervention we set up with you and the other street rats. Your unending obsession with Trump is tiresome. Especially when you fall into a drunk melancholy and start talking about how you have wet dreams where you’re bottoming for Trump, and how you angrily masturbate to photos of him.

                      So just stop all of that. If you do, I’ll see if i can get you an extra EBT card so you can buy more bottom shelf liquor and hobo wine.

              2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                At the same time team members see those who shun both parties as members of the other team, because they're not members of their own team. And you got to be on a team right? No. Wrong.

                1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  See, it always boils down to sarcasmic yelling 'tribalism' at someone who says something that reflects poorly on Democrats. Even if they didn't actually mention the Democrats.
                  But he's totally not a Democrat. Don't you dare even think that. Both sides.

                  "Wrong. They were under direct orders from the Democrat Party to shut down conservative speech. Prove they weren't. You can't. That means it's true."

                  Psaki and Biden both said publicly that social media was colluding with them to govern speech on the internet, but look at sarcasmic lie about it and pretend it never happened.

                  For example: https://news.yahoo.com/psaki-white-house-flagging-covid-185647266.html

                  1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                    Shouldn't you be pouring gravy on fried potatoes?

                    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      Yes. It's delicious... but how does that relate to the fact that you were deliberately misrepresenting the administration pushing social media censorship campaigns?

                    2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      Way to make a point against an argument I didn't make.

                    3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      That's the problem. You weren't making an argument. You were misrepresenting someone else's position.

                    4. R Mac   3 years ago

                      The position of weird bigotry towards Canadian food?

                    5. Sarcasmic’s Welfare Caseworker   3 years ago

                      Shouldn’t you be spraying Aquanet into a the cap and drinking it. Like you were the last time I came by your loss soaked alley for a welfare check before I handed you your welfare check.

                  2. Quicktown Brix   3 years ago

                    I can't vouch for Sarc myself, having not read all his posts, but I can vouch for his point here. I too shun both parties. Yet, I have been torn up here; called a lefty, liberal faggot and similar for taking libertarian positions that are opposed to republican positions despite the fact that I favor the republicans over democrats if I have to choose one of the disgusting heads of the 2 headed monster (which I haven't since Ron Paul retired).

                    Not complaining though, I wouldn't go against the flow if I didn't like swimming in the current.

                    If I was posting on a board overrun with liberals, I'd come across conservative, but as it is, there isn't much need for liberal bashing in the comments here. It's covered. And I agree with most of it, most of the time.

                    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      I can't vouch for Sarc myself, having not read all his posts

                      These people don't read my posts. They reply to the voices in their head that say I'm a leftist because I gave up on the Republican Party when they nominated a game show host for president.
                      More than that, it's what I don't say.
                      That's when the trolls really have fun.
                      If you don't condemn something then you're praising it, and if you don't praise something you're condemning it.
                      You say so much when you say nothing at all.
                      Did you condemn XYZ? No? You support it!
                      Did you praise ABC? No? You condemn it!
                      Just watch. If it wasn't for strawmen they'd have nothing to argue with.

                    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      "I too shun both parties."

                      You make it sound like they're equally bad things, Brix, but they're not. Not by a longshot.

                      As I've said before, it's like the difference between Boss Hogg and Cthulhu. They're both "bad" but their badness is incomparable.

                      The Republicans are greedy, corrupt and dishonest, but the Democrats are all those things, plus Gaia cultists, race-baiters, censors and worst and most importantly of all, power-mad authoritarians.

                      In the last year and a half they destroyed the energy sector, imprisoned dissidents without charges, fucked up the Afghanistan withdrawal, colluded on a first amendment violating censorship campaign, created a Ministry of Truth, put troops in DC, had the FBI investigate political enemies including PTA parents complaining about rapists, censored the press, sent troops into Sudan, ad nauseam. Every day there's a new attack from them on freedom and democracy.

                      I'm a Canadian, but I see the Democrats as the absolutely most dangerous political party it the Western world right now, and a potential harbinger of its destruction. Even more so than the thoroughly execrable Trudeau.

                      More than that, it's what I don't say.

                      You say plenty, sarc.
                      Seriously, do you actually forget the shit you post here when you're drunk, or are you choosing to pretend it never happens?

                    3. Quicktown Brix   3 years ago

                      I agree with everything you said except I also think republicans are power-mad authoritarians (with a few exceptions).

              3. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

                Also when he was elected he constantly talked about fake news and that the media was the enemy of the people. Yet he didn't use the doj/fbi/fcc etc to go after them

                1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  Ironically there was even precedent as Obama had done exactly that.

                2. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

                  This is a good point. In fact, Trump was using social media as a way to combat the overly biased left leaning media in his own way. That is why the media shut him down. It did not level the field, it created a hill for him to try to climb while being blasted with a fire-hose on the way up.

                  Meanwhile, every comment, story or bad tweet that cast a negative light on Candidate Biden was squashed. Hard. Is that the kind of campaign we expect to make an informed choice in?

                  Imagine 2016. The Hillary 'deplorables' video comes out and rather than Trump exploiting it and using it to garner support from the working class of America, the media deleted and censored it ala Election 2020. How would that have affected the outcome?

                  1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

                    Yet somehow anybody who wanted to read up or watch negative stories about Joe or Hunter or Jill Biden or the Biden dog could easily do so.

                    It’s almost like “the media” includes lots of readily available conservative sources, too.

                    1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

                      Sure they could. And when they tried to share those same stories with others they were censored.

                      You're being disingenuous here. A marketing platform that was one of many suddenly allows only one set of views, during an election, and obliterates one candidates ability to reach out to those NOT in his echo chamber, while protecting the other candidate from those NOT in his echo chamber. You're OK with that? With a corporation having that type of influence in your ability to get information before an election?

                      You like the Cabal?

                    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      You're being disingenuous here.

                      It's his raison d'être.

                    3. R Mac   3 years ago

                      Yeah, just Google “what negative stories about Joe Biden are being kept from me”. That’s a reasonable idea.

                    4. JesseAz   3 years ago

                      And Mike ignores the media blatantly calling the stories misinformation and saying IC connected officials thought it was Russian misinformation.

                    5. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

                      I agree that “marketing platform” is a good description of Twitter and other social media sites — which makes them beholden to … their advertisers. Their advertisers, not the commons.

                    6. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

                      which makes them beholden to … their advertisers. Their advertisers, not the commons.

                      Their advertisers are the Democratic Party?

            2. Sevo   3 years ago

              "...Thing is, had Trump been reelected I'm sure his followers would be cheering as he sent the machinery of government after "fake news."..."

              Why anyone should accept the bullshit opinion of some lying piece of shit has yet to be to be determined.

          2. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Volokh has participated in a few events now where he has discussed the fact that when the government asks them to censor under threats of regulation or even just private communications then the private company can fall under certain requirements against the 1a. Especially of a company coordinates their own policies under the influence of government.

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              And the Reasonistas ignore it, every time.

              There seems to be a conscious effort on the side of the magazine that KMW controls, to deliberately ignore what the lawyers on the Volokh half are warning about re. free speech.

          3. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            The problem isn't what political party is in charge while the government chills free speech. The problem is that the government can get away with it. It's not a Democrat or Biden thing. Politics is just a distraction.

      2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        So funny.

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        It's more like freedom of association- AWS, Apple, etc. don't want to be associated with a platform that freely hosted speech of white supremacists, racists, those advocating violence, etc. and therefore stopped working with them.

        Except BLM still has an account.

      4. Overt   3 years ago

        "Oh c'mon. The simple truth is that AWS and GCP and the like don't want assholes on their platform. It's not like they changed their ToS- it was the exact same one when Parler first signed up."

        Yeah that's why they waited and did these things "spontaneously" at the same time.

        Maybe there was and maybe there wasn't illegal collusion. Conservatives should be investigating those violations of actual law, rather than creating new laws that will ultimately help the authoritarian left.

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          Would you be so offended if your political enemies had been deplatformed? I seriously doubt it. Which makes your indignation political, not principled.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Where has he ever called for deplatforming people he disagrees with? Just because you're a hypocrite in this regard it doesn't mean he is.

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              Hush. The adults are talking.

              1. Pepin the short   3 years ago

                I bet he wasn’t homeless.

                You were however.

                What about adults now?

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  I think more people should be homeless for a few months. Make them really appreciate what they take for granted.

                  1. R Mac   3 years ago

                    Or, some of us don’t take it for granted in the first place because we’re not alcoholics.

                  2. Sarcasmic’s Welfare Caseworker   3 years ago

                    I keep telling you, your refrigerator box in that alley is not a ‘home’. YOU’RE STILL HOMELESS.

              2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                Pretty pathetic attempt to dodge Jesse's valid criticism.

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  He's asking me to defend an argument I never made. He's a liar. Period.

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    If you weren't making the argument, then why did you bring deplatforming of individuals up to Overt? Because he was talking about Amazon's actions.

                    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

                      You are unfairly "putting words in his mouth" when you respond to the totality of what he writes and not just the last part where he has shifted the goalposts.

                      I have to note that responding to the responses to gray boxes is every bit as enlightening as wading through the dishonest discourse. Once one deciphers the playbook, there is no need to read what they write. It is 100% predictable. Make shit up; when called out, say that isn't what you said; when presented with logic, change the subject.

                      The three Ds of Proggie discourse: dissemble, deflect, distract.

          2. Overt   3 years ago

            "Would you be so offended if your political enemies had been deplatformed? I seriously doubt it. Which makes your indignation political, not principled."

            Why exactly do you doubt that? I have long supported private platforms' rights to host and deny whatever content they want. For fucks sake, read the argument I made above. I am saying that conservatives SHOULDN'T BE PUSHING THIS LEGISLATION. So, you know, that is actually an example of me supporting the 1st Amendment rights of people who I don't agree with (the platforms who are not acting in the interests of Free Expression).

            Indeed, the one who seems politically motivated is you. I was posting that I don't think the government ought to be colluding with private companies to deny ANYONE their 1st Amendment rights. But rather than engage in that conversation, you have started this "Both Sides" political nonsense.

            I get that you tire of commentary from others on this site, and have decided to pick a fight with them at every opportunity. I tend to avoid those threads because they bore me. But I started this thread, and you are responding now to my arguments. So...you know...Actually respond to my arguments rather than making shit up, or go find one of those other threads.

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              Then I must have misinterpreted your post to be a partisan attack on an issue that isn't partisan. Sue me.

              1. Overt   3 years ago

                "Sue me."

                You mistyped, "Sorry Overt, next time I will read your arguments more closely."

                It's fine, Sarc. We're still buddies.

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  If you're every in Maine let me know. I'll buy you a lobster roll (at market price, who knows what that will be) and a Shipyard to wash it down.

                2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  Seriously though, Duck Fat.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_qxrKexISs

                  It's a religious experience.

                  1. Sarcasmic’s Welfare Caseworker   3 years ago

                    Seriously though, fuck dat.

              2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                You just posted that I interpreted your post incorrectly above yet admit I was right in your intent here.

                How can you lie so freely in the same thread?

          3. DarrenM   3 years ago

            It's natural to feel better about having your political opponents "deplatformed" or something similar. What matters is what is actually said and done publicly after the person actually thinks about it for a bit.

          4. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            Would you be so offended if your political enemies had been deplatformed? I seriously doubt it.

            That was the whole fucking reason that we were pointing out what a dangerous precedent it was when they did it to Alex Jones, or why the filibuster should never have been nuked for judges (or for anything, for that matter).

            The Left does these things specifically because they think they're going to hold power forever, and don't believe such tactics will ever be used against them, given they have the mass media industry and educational complex on their side.

            1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

              Ding ding ding! We were screaming about it not because we love Alex Jones, but because we knew it wouldn't stop there.

        2. Nardz   3 years ago

          "Conservatives should be investigating those violations of actual law"

          That will totes work some day

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

      Texas sure does seem to be doing their best to incentivize all the California tech goons who migrated to Austin in the last decade back to their west coast behavioral sinks.

      1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

        If only Colorado could do the same

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          Way too late for that. Polis isn't Calitard levels of stupid (he actually does buck his own party on things you might not expect him to do), but he and the rest of the Gay Mafia millionaires in that state are a big reason why Colorado went from a moderate, reddish-purple state to East California over the last 20 years.

          1. Eeyore   3 years ago

            Polis needs to keep the western slope red voters a little bit happy. It is a blue state, but there is more money in the west half of the state then people think.

    3. Tim B   3 years ago

      And yet, the market is already coming up with mechanisms to short-circuit those exact Bit Tech controls. Web3 is by design built to avoid dependence on large architecture.

      This new definition of "Web3" (as opposed to the old "semantic web" definition) is "...but on the blockchain" and is therefore garbage. It only avoids centralized hosting by avoiding working at all.

      I'd rather see more ActivityPub stuff, which rather than moving "forwards" onto dysfunctional blockchain nonsense is a return to a proven federated model.

      1. Tim B   3 years ago

        ...and since there's no preview (or edit, but that can reasonably be called a bad idea) function here, I'll just have to assume that anyone reading this can figure out where the quote tag was supposed to end.

    4. Bubba Jones   3 years ago

      Ken Paxton isn't interested in anything beyond positioning himself to the right of George P Bush.

    5. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      I had a party line back in the 70s. Pretty annoying to pick up the phone and hear some stranger's conversation.

  17. Longtobefree   3 years ago

    " . . . defendant's First Amendment right to remain anonymous . . . "

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    I can't even connect those dots.

    1. Yes Way, Ted   3 years ago

      Indeed. “Congress shall make no law” should be the clearest indicator that the First Amendment was never intended to be applied to the states’ actions.

      1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        Unfortunately, for this line of reasoning, the 14th amendment explicitly declares that consitutional rights are applicable at the state level.

  18. raspberrydinners   3 years ago

    Surprising no one who sees them for the fascists they are.

    Imagine thinking twitter is a common carrier and not the ISPs.

    1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      Fascists calling other people “fascists” is fascism taken to its illogical extreme as a cult of unreason.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

      Imagine thinking twitter is a common carrier and not the ISPs.

      Funny, your ally Bezos called Twitter "the public square," as has another of your allies, former NYT editor Sarah Jeong.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Twitter literally used to advertise itself as a "public square". Dorsey said it was their intention while developing it.

        But look at all these censorship aficionados pretending it never was before the administration coopted it.

        1. Tony   3 years ago

          Public squares are owned by the public. Shall we socialize Twitter fully, or are you content with merely violating the constitution?

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            "The public" doesn't exist. When cops cheerfully beat someone to death for failure to obey, they do it in the name of "the public."
            "The public" is everyone else. It's not me or you or anyone you know. It's an excuse for people to demand servitude while claiming to be servants.

          2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Public squares are owned by the public.

            This is a flat out lie. Public squares have almost never ever been owned by the public. That's not even in the etymology of the word. In fact, I challenge you to list a historic medium for the sphere of free and open public opinion that was actually owned by the public.

            Your lies are always whoppers, aren't they Tony?

    3. JesseAz   3 years ago

      So their advertisements for free speech are false advertising?

      They don't have a history of working with democrat politicians to censor speech? No emails proving this communication exists?

  19. Rich   3 years ago

    Russian authorities have forcibly herded public school teachers in the occupied city of Mariupol to launch a new curriculum based on Russian, according to a Ukrainian official.

    Before the end of May, they plan to open four schools in each of the ruined and depopulated city’s districts, that, in September, will switch to “Russian standards”, fugitive city official Petro Andriyushchenko said on Telegram.

    He said only history, mathematics, and Russian literature will be taught.

    This is outrageous! Why are the Russians not requiring courses in Diversity, Equity & Inclusion?!

    1. Rich   3 years ago

      *** gets coffee ***

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      The important question is: are the kids wearing masks at school during wartime?

      1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        No need. None of them are still breathing.

        1. Eeyore   3 years ago

          Yup. All dead.

    3. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      Only Russian literature?
      So....
      Solsiniksa (yeah I butchered that name)
      Nicolas gogal
      Dostyeski
      Ayn rand
      Say what you want about the ussr, but they produced a lot of great anticommunist writers

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

        Yup. I read every Dostoyevski I could get my hands on back in my salad days. The protagonist always found God in the end but the journey was always enlightening.

    4. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      Is mariupol in that zone of Ukraine where 6 years ago the Azov battalion was terror-killing Russian speaking ukrainians who votes for independence after Ukraine outlawed the Russian language?

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Whatever Putin puppet.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

        I don't think Maripol is in the Donbas region if I remember the geography correctly.

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          That doesn't really matter to the Russian disinformation operation. The important thing to remember is that there are some Nazis in some parts of Ukraine, so invading Crimea, the Donbas, and the rest of Ukraine is completely justified.

          Don't forget that Ukraine isn't actually a real country. It's all part of the Soviet Un... I mean Russia. Sovereignty is irrelevant.

  20. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   3 years ago

    "The interactions reveal the extent to which Carlson was willing to turn on a former associate as he thrives in a hyperpartisan media world" and " how Carlson once sought to benefit from the elite political circles in Washington that he now regularly rails against as the 'ruling class,'" suggests the Post.

    I assume the Post will do a deep dive on the powerful people connected to Jeffrey Epstein next including digging up personal emails. Bill Clinton sought to benefit from the elite political circles in Washington Epstein's money and underage girls that he now regularly rails againstdenies ever knowing anything about.

    Oh wait, there are no Clinton emails from before a hour ago because they were posted to a secure private server that was wiped clean. Nothing to see there, move on to Taylor Lorenz crying about something online.

    1. Bubba Jones   3 years ago

      I do like how this is about Tucker's hypocrisy and not about Hunter having a documented history as a peddler of his dad's influence.

      1. Tony   3 years ago

        Unlike Meghan McCain and the Trump spawn, who'd never trade on their fathers' names.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

          Didn't know Trump had any crackhead kids who posted videos on porn sites of themselves fucking hookers. I seem to remember his son in law negotiated the Abraham Accords. But yeah Biden's legacy is pristine.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            Tony’s a fucking idiot. So he makes idiot comments.

          2. Sarcasmic’s Welfare Caseworker   3 years ago

            And the kids all have their own successful business dealings and have real education and skills. Tony is so stupid he would starve to death in any other country.

          3. Nelson   3 years ago

            To be fair, both Hunter and Don Jr. are cokeheads. Neither would amount to a bucket of warm spit if their fathers weren't a US Senator or a born-on-third-base trust fund baby.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      Wiped? Like with a cloth?

      1. Nelson   3 years ago

        Cleanliness is next to Godliness.

  21. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    Senate votes to pass $40 billion Ukraine aid package

    Good. We should keep spending billions to hurt Russia. Putin must be punished for denying Hillary Clinton the White House.

    #StillWithHer

    1. Rich   3 years ago

      #HRC2024ItsHerTime

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      #GetHerInOfficeBeforeSheDies.

    3. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      #betterthankamala

      1. Joe Brandon   3 years ago

        canklesnotcackles#2024

  22. Rossami   3 years ago

    Bergmayer's challenge seems misplaced. I'm not aware of anyone claiming that social media must be treated like a common carrier - Texas is merely saying that it should be treated so (and, under their law, will be treated so from now on).

    Prof Somin has a decent article on why we should perhaps not want to treat social media companies as common carriers but the synopsis here is quite poor.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      …. synopsis here is quite poor.

      How unusual.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Well she did include a tweet about its legality that opened with they weren't a lawyer. So she is probably on firmer ground than anyone at Volokh.

    3. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Not getting how it’s a “should” if the law is making it mandatory — that would make it a “shall”.

  23. Bill Godshall   3 years ago

    Yet again, far left wing ENB defends far left wing propagandists and censors of truthful speech at Twitter, Facebook, Google, etc.

    Meanwhile, I don't recall ENB (or anyone else at Reason) ever apologizing for four years of lies and ad hominem attacks against Donald Trump, or for refusing to report about Hunter Biden's laptop prior to the 2020 election.

    1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

      Apology requires a level of self awareness and humility that none of the Reason writers appear to have. They do however have plenty of stupid woke shit to say.

    2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      Not contemning is praising and not praising is condemning. Failure to condemn the things you list equals praise for those things. That means Reason fully supported all the attacks on Trump and they participated in the laptop coverup. The lack of condemnation is proof. What they didn't say matters so much more than anything they actually said.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Spoken like a biden cultist.

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          Says the guy who spent an entire summer telling me that failure to condemn BLM equaled full support for the riots.

          If imitating you makes me a Biden cultist....

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            You called people trump cultists for years for not being against him.

            But the irony woth your statement here is you admit to defending the blm riots but have also celebrated j6 prosecutions.

            Meanwhile I condemned the violence on both sides. Weird.

            The other irony being im just doing what you have done for 6 years now.

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              This is why I can't have a conversation with you. You start off with a bunch of lies. To continue the conversation I would have to address your lies one by one first before responding. But then your reply will be more lies. So I don't bother.

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                No.
                You start off with a bunch of lies. Constantly. Low grade DNC propaganda and trolling, every time.
                It's why I can't stand you.

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  What DNC propaganda?

                  Oh! Yeah!

                  Not condemning is praising and not praising is condemning!

                  So when I don't condemn something you say I praise it, and when I don't praise something you say I condemn it!

                  Which one of us is using the leftist playbook?

                  1. R Mac   3 years ago

                    How does Biden’s cock taste?

              2. Sarcasmic’s Welfare Caseworker   3 years ago

                No, you’ve said the same things to me.

            2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              "you admit to defending the blm riots"

              Only in the mind of an imbecile who feels that failure to condemn equals defending.

              You make Tony look smart.

              1. Pepin the short   3 years ago

                So you didn’t condemn BLM?

                Is that what I’m reading?

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  I didn't condemn the whole for the actions of a few. No.

                  1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                    So you defended the blm riots. Got it.

                    1. Sarcasmic’s Welfare Caseworker   3 years ago

                      Wasn’t he for the murder of Ashli Babbit too?

                    2. Nelson   3 years ago

                      Ashli Babbitt was stupid enough to try to breach an area protected by armed law enforcement. The most generous way to describe it is "suicide by cop". A more accurate way is "getting what she deserved".

                  2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                    What do you honestly think people dressing up in all black the same as people committing violence were doing on night 99 of the riots. Are you truly this much a moron?

      2. DesigNate   3 years ago

        Reason participated in those attacks.

        Hell, some of the commenters here still participate in them AND call anyone who disagrees with them a Trump Cultist.

        Just saying.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          Sarc was blackout drunk when all those Reason articles were published, so you’ll forgive him for forgetting.

  24. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    Emmy Rossum is all legs in a chic black minidress as she stops by SiriusXM Studios in NYC to promote Peacock series Angelyne

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10835535/Emmy-Rossum-stops-SiriusXM-Studios-NYC-promote-Peacock-series-Angelyne.html

    Says she wore six pounds worth of prosthetic boobs.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      What a sexist description. No mention of her intellect, charismatic personality or charitable works.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        Got to see her natural titties in "Shameless," which I haven't watched since she left.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Spoken like an incel.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            Did your parents ever explain what the R on your bus pass meant? (here's a clue: "Retarded" starts with an 'R')

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Youre an incel. A creepy old man obsessed with where he can find pornagraphic images in the daily mail or in movies.

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                Glad you defined that for me. Was that on your word calendar?

                1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  When it comes to pop culture abbreviations and slang, you're not going to find them on something meant to boost your vocabulary, sarcasmic.

                  You don't actually know what a word calendar is for, huh?

    2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      Fine, I'm clicking.

      1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        The actress' outing was meant to promote the newly-released miniseries Angelyne, in which she stars as the titular media personality.

        First, nice pun. Daily Mail still knows how to do journalism without the false pretense of sanctimony.

        Second, I do not know who ANgelyne is, or the actress playing her. Am I out of touch? Most people spend their time reading about goats, right?

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          The actress' main claim to fame is "Shameless." The first few seasons are worth watching in my opinion.

          She's been in a few movies but nothing notable.

          As far as this movie goes I have no plans to see it.

  25. Weigel's Cock Ring   3 years ago

    In a bit of lighter news (with a particularly heavy emphasis on "lighter"), AOC is officially engaged to her boyfriend, a pasty-faced web developer who looks like he could have come straight out of Buckingham Palace, or maybe an Irish country manor:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/aoc-engagement-confirmed-boyfriend-name-riley-roberts-2022-5%3famp

    Tough news indeed for the millions and millions of young men out there who are dying to spend the rest of their lives with a far left America-hating harpy with murderous crazy eyes, but somehow they'll just have to fi d a way to get over it and carry on.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      I’m over it.

    2. thrakkorzog   3 years ago

      You're just jealous you can't date her.

    3. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

      In a bit of lighter news

      So, a white guy.

    4. Dillinger   3 years ago

      fucking heartbreak.

    5. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      Good for her. I wish them well.

    6. Bubba Jones   3 years ago

      "friends of the couple didn't know they'd been dating until years after they all graduated"

      That's... psychotic.

    7. Bubba Jones   3 years ago

      Roberts has largely stayed out of the spotlight but was featured in a 2018 documentary, "Knock Down the House," about Ocasio-Cortez's primary campaign. The documentary's filmmaker, Rachel Lears, told Insider in 2019 that Roberts played a key role in supporting his partner's political career.

      "Everything from the emotional to the strategic to the practical, he has been a really important partner to her," she said.

      The power behind AOC is the whitest man on the planet? OMFG

      1. Weigel's Cock Ring   3 years ago

        It really is pretty hilarious.

    8. KAR-n evil 9   3 years ago

      Somebody’s jealous

    9. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      Great tits. Nough said.

      1. Eeyore   3 years ago

        Riley's tits?

      2. R Mac   3 years ago

        Yeah. Still would. Just watch the teeth.

  26. Bill Godshall   3 years ago

    • Emails verified by The Washington Post show Tucker Carlson and his wife asking Hunter Biden—someone Tucker has repeatedly bashed on his Fox News show—to help their son gain admission to Georgetown University

    After engaging in deceitful partisan electioneering (by conspiring with other left wing Democrat media propagandists in refusing to report and censoring truthful information about Hunter Biden's in October/November 2020), the WaPo attacks those who appropriately criticized them for their egregious behavior and lies).

    Besides, Carlson contacted Hunter Biden in 2014, long before anyone knew just how corrupt he and his father (the Big Guy) were.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Nobody questioned why hunter might be the guy to call for a favor?

    2. Minadin   3 years ago

      Should have just sent the Georgetown University president a big fat check. That's how the liberal elite out in California play it.

  27. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

    Emails verified by The Washington Post show ...

    Why would I trust anything from the WaPo, or the NYT? They have lied so blatantly so often about so much that they have negative credibility, especially when it comes to Hunter Biden, but just in general. There's something awfully smelly about all so many articles referencing either of those rags. It smacks of laziness.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      Those emails are Russian disinformation.

    2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      Also, who cares? If it's true he did it in 2014 it's really not a story. If he did it after criticizing Hunter though, then still I don't think it matters. It feels like one of those criticisms like "Libertarians are against high tax rates, BUT THEY STILL USE ROADS." Or "They're for higher taxes, but STILL TAKE THE TAX DEDUCTIONS THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR."

      It's just called living in the real world and taking things as they are, even if you're trying to change things.

      You can criticize a lot about Carlson, but this is a bland one.

      1. rbike   3 years ago

        I remember Carlson's modus operandi is to state sympathy for his one time neighbor Hunter. The goal is to get you to think about how this must be corrupt. They were Neighbors.

      2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        For me, it reinforces my belief that all these extreme left and right politicians and pundits know each other, and they are just playing the gullible with divisive politics for personal benefit.

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          I mean, the Clintons and the Trumps used to pal around in the same social circles. It’s all an act.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            Didn't they all pall around with Epstein?

            1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

              Yup.

  28. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/loffredojeremy/status/1527521228688445442

    Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla explains Pfizer's new tech to Davos crowd: "ingestible pills" - a pill with a tiny chip that send a wireless signal to relevant authorities when the pharmaceutical has been digested. "Imagine the compliance," he says

    1. Ronbback   3 years ago

      wait i thought that was all a conspiracy by ignorant deplorable ULTRA MAGA right wing extremist racist.

    2. Rich   3 years ago

      Imagine the "digesting" in a glass of water or a toilet.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Probably need something like vinegar or lemon juice to mimic stomach acid.

    3. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      Personally, I've been dreaming of the invention of ingestible pills for years. I'm just so tired of our world where everything is a suppository.

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        Prude

      2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        Now that was funny

    4. Bubba Jones   3 years ago

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/01/12/fact-check-video-pfizer-ceo-microchip-pill-2018/9155684002/

      https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-pill-sensor-digitally-tracks-if-patients-have-ingested-their-medication

      "Compliance" is a medical term for patients being consistent with taking their medication. The chip is to help schizophrenics track their medication usage.

      1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

        The chip is to help schizophrenics track their medication usage.

        Today.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          The NSA isn’t spying on all of us.

    5. Eeyore   3 years ago

      Probably good for all of those chemical castrations they will mandate someday, and when they make going off birth control illegal without a birthing license.

  29. JesseAz   3 years ago

    “I see the brand of Fox being hate, anger, dishonesty and now murder,” Dean replied. “That is the brand. That is the brand of the Murdochs have chosen to be their flagship communication. I agree with Biden, Murdoch has harmed this country more than any other human being in my lifetime, and he should never have been given citizenship. The one thing I would change about our immigration policy is to send Murdoch back to Australia and keep them there, the whole family.”

    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      Hater of immigrants is defending an immigrant over politics. The cognitive dissonance must be painful.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Spoken like an ignorant leftist who doesn't know legal and illegal immigration is different.

        Also spoken like a biden cultist who approves deporting people for being a political opponent.

        Youre doing well today sarc.

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          Do you sneer when you type?

          1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

            Maybe if you didn't post so many stupid things, people wouldn't sneer at you so much. Just saying.

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              I point out stupidity. Doesn't mean I'm the stupid one.

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                But you don't point out stupidity, that's the problem.

                Jesse pointing out someone advocating using immigration laws as political revenge wasn't stupid. Rather your dishonest conflation of legal immigration and illegal entry for a cheap point was stupid.

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  I'm on the outside looking in. On the inside you don't see your own stupidity.

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    What the hell kind of airs are you trying to give yourself now.

        2. Tony   3 years ago

          I may have missed this until now, but "legal immigration" is a euphemism for "white people immigration." isn't it?

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            No, it's a euphemism for legal immigration which is extremely well-defined, you dishonest fuck.

            1. Tony   3 years ago

              So if we made it very easy for Mexican and Central Americans to immigrate, all your concerns would be alleviated, yes?

              1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

                Very easy. Is that a euphemism for 'Lets let everyone who wants to come here in?'

                It's a bad argument, Tony. Our immigration policy is broken. Trump actually made an effort to force the US, Mexico and South America to do something different about it. And the result was the slowing of illegal immigration and discussions of change. Our leaders in Congress did not/do not want to address that change. For whatever reason. Under Biden the policy quickly returned to the previous nonsense. Show up, claim Asylum. Catch and release. We won't come looking for you unless you do something really bad. How is that working?

              2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

                LOL, the guy is Canadian. Why is he even commenting on US immigration policy.

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  That's a textbook ad hominem. Don't play by their rules.

                  1. DesigNate   3 years ago

                    That’s Mike’s rule though.

                  2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

                    You are right, of course.

                2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  What if I wanted to legally immigrate, White Mike? Or should I just sneak in and get a free plane trip on Bidenair?

              3. JesseAz   3 years ago

                It is very easy. Over a million people do it a year.

          2. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

            I may have missed this until now, but "legal immigration" is a euphemism for "white people immigration." isn't it?

            It's not a euphemism at all. It says exactly what it means to say. Immigrating into the country, legally.

            Migrant, Undocumented, Asylum Seeker, DACA; those are all euphemisms for individuals who have entered the country not pursuant with our current laws of immigration.

            1. Tony   3 years ago

              I've just never seen presidential elections swing on national concern over a misdemeanor. If we made immigration as easy as possible under the law, disincentivizing any illegal immigration, all your concerns would be addressed, would they not?

              1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

                No, all concerns would not be addressed. There are other concerns associated with immigration policy. Housing, jobs, services, actual asylum etc. that also need to be addressed as part of overall policy. Simply 'letting in' X number of immigrants without an immigration policy that addresses all of the factors would be bad policy too, legal or illegal. I'm for reform.

          3. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            To be fair, a lot of Hispanics do have lighter skin. Charles Blow was even bitching about it a few months ago.

          4. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

            You are a moron.

            top 10 Countries of Origin for Immigrants to the U.S. (2020)
            Mexico — 100,325
            India — 46,363
            China — 41,483
            Dominican Republic — 30,005
            Vietnam — 29,995
            Philippines — 25,491
            El Salvador — 17,907
            Brazil — 16,746
            Cuba — 16,367
            South Korea — 16,244

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      Fox like invented inflation and racism and slavery and literally every scary thing that ever happened.

  30. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

    How inflation could help us save money — and the planet
    https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/20220519597/how-inflation-could-help-us-save-money-and-the-planet

    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      Inflation makes us poorer, which means we consume less, which is good for the environment! Yay inflation! Eventually we'll be scraping dirt and Gaia will be saved!

    2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      People really don't understand that lower prices are good for the environment as they tend to correlate more than almost anything with efficient resource usage.

      Oh well. The Lithium mines aren't near my house, so that shit must be great for animals.

  31. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

    CDC Is Worried Making New COVID Vaccines Will Suggest To Americans That They Don’t Actually Work
    https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1527631476954742784

    1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

      File under 'Ships; sailed'.

      1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        Funny

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Absolute clownshow.

    3. Eeyore   3 years ago

      Lol.

  32. Azathoth!!   3 years ago

    What leftists, at Reason and elsewhere like to refer to as 'compelled speech' is laws forbidding social media companies from altering their terms of service into diktats that allow them to play censor for the left.

    You offer a platform, and that's what you are required to deliver. You can't offer a free and open platform and then change the rules so that users are compelled to jump through political hoops to speak.

    They're not being compelled, they're being forced to not compel.

    1. Nelson   3 years ago

      Yeah, they're terrible. You should probably not use their products.

  33. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/martyrmade/status/1527659226591469568

    Is it too much to ask that the Attorney General who arrested Epstein isn’t a CIA man whose dad gave Epstein his first job, and the Secretary of State during Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial isn’t the stepson of her dad’s confidante & lawyer?

    1. Rich   3 years ago

      It's a small world, after all.

    2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      So they're all inbred and sleeping with their sisters, too? The modern aristocracy looks more like the medieval European version by the day.

    3. Bubba Jones   3 years ago

      I don't understand the complaint. A man on trial for being connected with senior politicians and providing them with girls, is going to be connected with senior politicians.

  34. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

    So to leftists like ENB assert that Twitter and the rest of social media are taking ownership of the opinions and statements they allow on their platform. That is the only way those statements can be considered "compelled" if they are simply ignored by the platform instead of put under active viewpoint discrimination. OK but given they allow violent leftists and outright terrorist organizations to stay up, what exactly am I supposed to think other than these media companies are anti-West leftists.

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      they are Stalinists. Through and through

  35. John Rohan   3 years ago

    Help me understand this. How is this bill "compelled speech"? No one is asking the platform to make certain statements, no one is even demanding they bake a cake with a message on it.

    These are platforms, not publishers, right? So the users making the comments are the publishers. No one is making the platforms endorse any speech.

    Put another way, either these are simply neutral platforms hosting other people's speech or they aren't. If they aren't, then they shouldn't be protected by section 230. You can't have it both ways.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      These are platforms, not publishers, right? So the users making the comments are the publishers. No one is making the platforms endorse any speech.

      Yeah. We are constantly told that these companies are not and should not be responsible for the speech on their platforms because they are not publishers and it isn't their speech. Yet, when it comes to them hosting that speech, we are told that making them live by any sort of consistent rules in who posts is "compelled speech".

      What is logic and consistency compared to the fun and profit to be made by reason in return for being complete whores to the tech companies?

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      As publishers they have a right to publish whatever authors and creators they want. Forcing them to keep publishing these authors and creators would in fact be a violation of the first amendment. It would be no different than forcing Random House to publish books on Global Warming.

      1. thrakkorzog   3 years ago

        Except they keep switching between arguing that they are platforms and publishers depending on what is more convenient.

        So, if the government of Iran is posting anti-semitic tweets, they're hands are tied because they are just the platform. But when they want to ban Trump because orange man bad, then suddenly they're a publisher, and forcing them to allow Trump to Tweet is compelled speech.

      2. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        If they want to be publishers, sure. But if they are publishers, they should treated like every other publisher and held responsible for their content. So which is it? Are they publishers and responsible for their content but also can't be forced by the government to publish what they don't want or are they just content neutral platforms not responsible for what their users place on them?

        This goes to the heart of the heads I win tails you lose arguments of these companies. They want the editorial freedom that comes with being a publisher but without the corresponding responsibility for the content they claim the right to control. And that is bullshit that no one who isn't being paid by the tech companies should see right through.

        1. Tony   3 years ago

          Making them liable for the content that appears on them would make them cease to be able to function as businesses, hence the utility of section 230. And I say good riddance.

          But they try to stay in business under such a regime, right-wing content would be surpassed more than ever, of course, given how factually wrong and violent it tends to be.

          1. Djea3   3 years ago

            Let me see, democrats have looked away as Antifa openly physically attacked conservatives and even the general public alike. They regular threw "concrete milkshakes" at random anglo persons playing them in the hospital. They fomented riots and destruction without the police or media stepping in to tell the truth. They put a reporter in the hospital because he was conservative. They DOX anyone who does not share their view.
            I could go on and on regarding several other "liberal" groups and their actions and lack of prosecution or even media coverage. All of them liberal as you are.
            And you have the AUDACITY to make a statement that conservatives are violent. You need to get your yourself into treatment for mental dysfunction!

      3. Bubba Jones   3 years ago

        And, if I want to build a platform to host content free of whack jobs, I should be able to do that.

      4. John Rohan   3 years ago

        In that case, they are publishers, and shouldn't get the protections of section 230.

      5. Djea3   3 years ago

        HOWEVER, the membership requires ONLY an email and is open to all. Therefore, any limit in content MUST be OBJECTIVE, not subjective. If subjective in any way it is a violation of free speech of members and should be considered CRIMINAL on its face.
        If membership was PRIVATE, PAID FOR and LIMITED to objective limits then I say they are a private club and can do what they want in censorship. These are common carriers by their very definition and business models. The ONLY legal way to remove that status is by making them PRIVATE membership associations, which would close the do open speech altogether, which means that the members would not need to read each other's posts as they would all think alike.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

      Put another way, either these are simply neutral platforms hosting other people's speech or they aren't. If they aren't, then they shouldn't be protected by section 230.

      Ironically, this is what makes the Reason comment section one of the last few free speech bastions on the internet, precisely because they rarely ban accounts unless they do something egregious like shrike posting his links to cheese pizza, or Mary Stack and Michael Hihn shitting up threads with their copypasta. It acts like an actual platform rather than a publisher, which can't really be said for Twitter or Facederp.

      Preet tried flexing on us and it went about as well for him as you might expect.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        It acts like an actual platform rather than a publisher, which can't really be said for Twitter or Facederp.

        I've been lobbying Reason for years to insert an editorial statement about misinformation at the beginning or end of people's comments. You know, to make them less platform-ey.

        1. Minadin   3 years ago

          (The above statement has not been evaluated by the DGB and may or may not reflect the views of the current administration, or factual reality.)

        2. Eeyore   3 years ago

          They just need a preamble like you see in front of all novels. "This is a work of fiction...blah blah blah."

      2. Bubba Jones   3 years ago

        At the same time, Reason commentary often a train wreck. If the commentary were intended to be content, rather than click bait, they'd moderate it.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          At the same time, Reason commentary often a train wreck.

          No more so than any other comment section on the web. If it's taken over by any trannie jannies like Reddit or Something Awful, that's of course subject to change.

          1. Eeyore   3 years ago

            Reddit is no longer usable. My Space is more viable.

        2. R Mac   3 years ago

          Some of us like it here.

    4. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Don’t recall the clause in the First Amendment where the Founding Fathers distinguished between platforms and publishers. Can you cite such clause, please?

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        FedEx and UPS should shut you out if the CEO's don't like your comments about Trump, right? No more "I'm with Her" t-shirts and pussy hats on their watch?

  36. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >> protect free speech

    oxymoron.

  37. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    • Emails verified by The Washington Post show Tucker Carlson and his wife asking Hunter Biden—someone Tucker has repeatedly bashed on his Fox News show—to help their son gain admission to Georgetown University. "The interactions reveal the extent to which Carlson was willing to turn on a former associate as he thrives in a hyperpartisan media world" and " how Carlson once sought to benefit from the elite political circles in Washington that he now regularly rails against as the 'ruling class,'" suggests the Post.

    Aha...ahahaha! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      “I realize you don’t really know Buckley,” Susie Carlson wrote via email in 2014 to Hunter Biden, a Georgetown graduate and the son of the then-vice president. “Maybe you could meet or speak to him and he could send you a very brief resume with his interests and grades attached.”

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      "Turn on a former associate". Uhh, yeah, that's the take here. Tucker "turned on a former associate". Perhaps Tucker should have remained loyal to his former associate and instead did what the Washington Post and the rest of the so-called 'respectable' media did: Bury the story.

    3. Bubba Jones   3 years ago

      I love Tucker's response: WaPo says these emails are Russian disinformation.

      I don't know how anyone can see W and Michelle Obama cuddle up at public events and pretend that politicians take the culture wars as seriously as the voters do.

  38. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

    I'm not able to post links, but if you want a good laugh, read the passive-aggressively bitchy article by Michael Rosenberg over at Sports Illustrated about the sudden Jimbo Fisher-Nick Saban feud that's apparently centered around college athletes getting paid endorsements. A couple of choice quotes, because it highlights the sheer reverse correlation between the Olympian levels of self-righteousness of left-wing journalists and their complete lack of self-awareness:

    Saban has played a passive-aggressive game ever since athletes were allowed to capitalize on name, image and likeness. Last year, the Bama coach said quarterback Bryce Young was making “almost seven figures” despite not starting a game because of the power of Alabama’s “brand.” The implication: Come to Alabama, five-star recruits, and you’ll get paid. Now he is saying the only school to finish ahead of Alabama in recruiting rankings did so because of NIL deals. There are two implications: If Alabama is slipping in recruiting even a little, it’s not Saban’s fault; and if Bama boosters want their school to keep winning national titles, they better step up.

    Fisher told ESPN a few months ago that schools have paid players for years; the deals “just weren’t legal.” The legality remains murky, both according to Texas law and NCAA rules. But NIL has taken college football’s private dealings and made them public. Now a feud that would have been private in the past has become public. If you wonder whose side you should be on, you miss the point. This isn’t about right vs. wrong. It’s about us vs. them. It always has been.

    "Us vs. them," huh, Michael? Let's see what this same limp-dick geek wrote a mere nine years ago:

    A simple solution to NCAA corruption: Let stars get paid
    MICHAEL ROSENBERG JUL 26, 2011

    But those who can cash in on their fame and success will be able to do it. If a wealthy South Carolina alum wants to give $50,000 a year to every Gamecock, he can do it.

    Is this fair? No, not really. If we wanted to be completely fair, then football and basketball players would not be forced to subsidize non-revenue athletes. But this is a start. It's a way to keep what we love about college athletics without unduly penalizing athletes.

    IOW, Rosenberg predicted this exact fucking thing--that big-time colleges would still dominate the fight for high-value recruits due to brand recognition alone--but is now in a lather because the very thing he knew was going to happen, ended up coming to pass. Apparently he thought in his stupid little marxist brain that college students would form a union or something like that, forgetting that when working-class people start moving up to the middle and upper classes, they're a bit less interested in burning down the system that's paying them.

    1. Personcommenting   3 years ago

      As an Aggie, it has been fun to watch. My brother-in-law that played college football in the 90s would talk about players finding that their car had been broken into during the night. It was horrible, the stereo was stolen and replaced with a better nicer surround sound stereo system.

  39. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

    Kosseff added. "As someone who has studied this particular area of free speech for years, I can say that Twitter has been committed even in very challenging cases."

    This quote come 1 day after twitters senior engineer saying Twitter hates free speech and censors republicans

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Twitter has been committed even in very challenging cases."

      Banning a sitting president of the United States wasn't that challenging.

      1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        I imagine it's pretty fun.

        1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

          Got their Pravda-esque power boners off doing it too I'm sure.

    2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      The DGB agency yet to be named has determined that any doubt as to the veracity of Kosseff's statement is officially Disinformation and will be treated as such.

    3. Tony   3 years ago

      That James O'Keefe video was debunked years ago when it happened, just like all his other videos.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        1 day after
        years ago when it happened

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          What Tony lacks in honesty he makes up for with stupidity.

          1. Nelson   3 years ago

            To be fair, James O'Keefe is a clown who can't stop looking like a hapless idiot. His attempts at propaganda make Wile E. Coyote look like a genius.

  40. Bubba Jones   3 years ago

    Ken Paxton is running ads calling George P Bush a LIBERAL

    That's all you need to know about the sincerity of GOP politics in Texas.

    1. Dillinger   3 years ago

      George P. Bush makes 43 & 41 look like Coolidge & Reagan.

    2. Naime Bond   3 years ago

      On the issues dot org, has Bush pegged closer to being a libertarian than a liberal so that makes him even more dangerous than just being a liberal.

      1. Dillinger   3 years ago

        "Reimagine the Alamo"

  41. MollyGodiva   3 years ago

    Just reason #731482 that Republicans are hypocritical scum

    1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

      You forgot to call them all farmers.

  42. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    MEGHAN MCCAIN: As a woman who has been fat shamed her entire career, I welcome fashion's evolving standards of beauty. What I don't understand is why some, like Jordan Peterson, are so threatened by them

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10837665/MEGHAN-MCCAIN-woman-fat-shamed-welcome-new-beauty-standards-dont-others.html#newcomment

    "You're threatened!"
    If you react defensively to the accusation then that's proof!
    If you don't react defensively then that's proof!
    If you ignore the accusation then it's proof!
    No matter how you respond or don't respond it's proof!

    Sad how a supposed conservative is using a play straight from the leftist playbook.

    1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      What I don't understand is why some, like Jordan Peterson, are so threatened by them

      Maybe he's seen what beauties like her can do to a box of twinkies.

    2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      Pretending human beauty standards are just a whim is anti-science Meghan. Sorry.

    3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      "new beauty standards"

      Uh huh.

    4. Eeyore   3 years ago

      I would have left that one alone. No mater what I thought inside my head.

      I'm am curious how magazine sales will go.

  43. Tony   3 years ago

    The constitution isn't a suicide pact for fetuses, bub.

    1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      Hey Tony.

    2. Dillinger   3 years ago

      Blackmun thought so.

    3. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      Hey Tony. The new crop of trolls has borrowed your "not doing x equals doing y, and not doing y equals doing x" illogic.

      You should be proud that your fallacies are being embraced by the other side!

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Sad.

  44. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    Without the ability to moderate based on "viewpoint," all manners of distasteful and offensive content would have to be permitted,

    oh no.

    PS Not in favor of the law but come on, this is a snowflake's complain.

    1. Tony   3 years ago

      Force Twitter to post child porn and beheading videos. I hate Twitter, so anything that hastens its death is cool by me.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Two things that are already illegal. We both know that the problem is that they are censoring completely legal political speech at the behest of the Democrats. Not illegal activity.
        Stop being so dishonest.

        1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

          ^ this is exactly right.

          No one is advocating that Twitter disseminate illegal child porn. no one. It is currently illegal. If you think child porn should not be illegal fine then argue for that.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            SPB might be arguing that.

        2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          What's the difference? If you object to how immigrants are treated then you condone theft, murder, rape and most importantly trespassing. Because walking around in a public space without papers is the same as breaking into someone's home. He's making the same argument that you make.

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Immigrants or illegal aliens, sarcasmic? Because those are two very, very different things.

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              One has papers. The other does not. So very, very different.

              1. R Mac   3 years ago

                That’s the only difference.

              2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                Are you for real? Do you know what kind of hoops my sister and brother had to jump through when they legally immigrated with their American spouses to the US? It wasn't a fucking paper.

                You're pulling the White Mike trick. Redefine and minimize to the point that what you're saying is essentially a lie.

                1. Dave Jakes   3 years ago

                  He's adopted the cytotoxic (dba chemjeff/de oppresso liber) shtick of saying idiotic immigration-related shit to pwn the cons.

          2. Dave Jakes   3 years ago

            Because walking around in a public space without papers is the same as breaking into someone's home.

            It's funny because that's literally exactly what you said about the unarmed woman who was shot in the face, the unarmed woman who was beaten to death with 4 dozen blows to the head from a police baton, and the hundreds of peaceful protesters who walked around inside velvet ropes and took selfies in the public US capitol building on January 6th 2021.

            1. Nelson   3 years ago

              You can't possibly believe that BS. The standards for trolls just keep falling.

      2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        Banning the Babylon Bee for making a joke about someone's pronouns is the same as child porn. got it.

        1. Eeyore   3 years ago

          Supporting gender affirmation for children is a little like being a pedo. It shows you have an unnatural obsession with the genitals of children.

          If anything they banned the bee for not being pedo enough.

  45. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason writers are mentally incapable of grasping that when the Federal government orders private companies to act in certain ways, without there being a law passed or so much as a single regulation promulgated, this isn’t “voluntary private corporate action”.

    There was absolutely no private company benefit for Facebook to censor the British Medical Journal, or Twitter to censor discussion of the Wuhan lab and Hunter's laptop. It's beyond obvious what was going on there. The Biden administration even publicly stated that they were working with social media companies to censor badthink.

    Ultimately the Reasonistas are phony free marketers. They will let corporations do things at the behest of the Democrats that they would lose their shit over if the government did directly.

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      ^ This is absolutely the case. The big communication companies, social and otherwise, are basically entirely controlled by the federal government.

      Your cell carrier, internet provider, facebook account, and everything in between are completely controlled by Federal law enforcement agencies and often under secret FISA court rulings, and every single bit of data is slurped into their data centers and available for review.

      It is literally against the law to provide a service that doesnt save every message you send.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        You didn't blame that on Democrats. You're supposed to blame everything on Biden or you're playing the both sides game, which is bull because we all know there is only one side. Your failure to blame Biden and Democrats means you support them both. You must have voted for him. The proof is right there in what you didn't say. You support everything the Democrats are doing because you didn't condemn each and every line item, one by one.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          Sad.

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Pathetic. But he's totally not a Democrat, R Mac. Don't dare think it.

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              I have to agree with Overt upthread. He’d actually been doing better with this nonsense lately until a few days ago. He must have had another break.

    2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      These companies aren't bowing to the will of the government due to a threat of force. They're doing it because they all have the same politics. If Trump's White House was trying to suppress "fake news" not only would the companies tell him to pound sand, it would be front page news.
      This isn't news because there's no threats and no force because the White House is asking these leftist bedwetters to do what they would have done anyway.

      1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        ^ Dont be naive it is definitely due to a threat of force.

        1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

          some companies are eager to comply, just as Twitter and Facebook but it's still them acting as an arm of the regime, no question.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            I don't see how liberals in government asking liberals in the media to do liberal things is some takeover of the media.

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              "I don't see how liberals in the government asking liberals in the media corporations to do liberal things censor political opponents is some takeover of the media a first amendment violation."

              You know what this is all about. Stop lying about and misrepresenting what's happening.

            2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

              They're NOT just asking.

              There are plenty of regulations and requirements on communications industry and companies and those agencies that oversee them, run by stalinists, have oversight boards and liaisons etc that communicate with the companies and even beyond that the FISA courts and other national security interests are TIGHTLY working with these companies.

        2. R Mac   3 years ago

          He’s not being naïve he’s being dishonest.

          1. Dave Jakes   3 years ago

            To be fair, he's a self-confessed drug addict and alcoholic and often forgets what he's said only minutes or hours before.

      2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        These companies aren't bowing to the will of the government due to a threat of force.

        The second the Administration makes a request it becomes force.

        "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence — it is force. Like fire it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." - anon

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          I thought that was a George Washington quote but you aren't important enough for me to google it.

          No. Not all government requests are force. Cops like to strongarm people into complying with warrantless requests, but no is an option. Same thing here. Unless a judge get involves it's just browbeating.

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            "Cops like to strongarm people into complying with warrantless requests, but no is an option."

            That's the cop's individual request. Not the government's. If the government requested it, then 'no' wouldn't be an option.

            An it's not a George Washington quote, but it's still apt. Here's another good one: ‘Government Is Simply The Biggest Corporation, With The Monopoly On Violence’

    3. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

      The most obvious case is the banning of the Gold Star mother who was ripping on Biden. Facebook ended up claiming it was a 'mistake'.

      Sure it was.

    4. Eeyore   3 years ago

      So far the courts can't see it either.

  46. Cronut   3 years ago

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/san-francisco-archbishop-pelosi-communion-abortion-support

    San Fran Archbishop bars Nancy Pelosi from receiving communion.

    I wonder how long he will continue to be the Archbishop of San Fran.

    1. Eeyore   3 years ago

      Lol

  47. nobody 2   3 years ago

    "In arguing to treat social media like common carriers, conservatives could make these platforms havens for content that makes other users flee and repositories of things—like frank discussions and depictions of sexuality—that conservatives in other realms are fighting to suppress."

    I for one consider this evidence that Brown doesn't believe this is at all likely, because if she did she'd be arguing in favor.

  48. Yan   3 years ago

    "Without the ability to moderate based on "viewpoint," all manners of distasteful and offensive content would have to be permitted".

    Were Justice Scalia still alive, I think he may have quipped that "the Marquis of Queensbury just fainted."

  49. Yan   3 years ago

    "Without the ability to moderate based on "viewpoint," all manners of distasteful and offensive content would have to be permitted".

    Um

    "Thomas Nast...who was associated for many years during the post-Civil War era with Harper's Weekly....conducted a graphic vendetta against William M. "Boss" Tweed...described by one historian of the subject as "a sustained attack which in its passion and effectiveness stands alone in the history of American graphic art."...the Nast cartoon....continuously goes beyond the bounds of good taste and conventional manners.

    "Despite their sometimes caustic nature...graphic depictions and satirical cartoons have played a prominent role in public and political debate....From the viewpoint of history, it is clear that our political discourse would have been considerably poorer without them.

    "There is no doubt that the caricature of respondent and his mother published in Hustler is at best a distant cousin of the political cartoons described above, and a rather poor relation at that...

    ""Outrageousness" in the area of political and social discourse has an inherent subjectiveness about it ... "[T]he fact that society may find speech offensive is not a sufficient reason for suppressing it. Indeed, if it is the speaker's opinion that gives offense, that consequence is a reason for according it constitutional protection." Hustler v. Falwell 485 U.S. at 54, 55.

  50. Yan   3 years ago

    "HB20 prohibits covered social media platforms…from engaging in any viewpoint-based editorial discretion. Thus, HB20 would compel platforms to disseminate all sorts of objectionable viewpoints—such as Russia's propaganda claiming that its invasion of Ukraine is justified, ISIS propaganda claiming that extremism is warranted, neo-Nazi or KKK screeds denying or supporting the Holocaust, and encouraging children to engage in risky or unhealthy behavior like eating disorders. HB20 also imposes related burdensome operational and disclosure requirements designed to chill the millions of expressive editorial choices that platforms make each day."

    "The First Amendment recognizes no such thing as a "false" idea. Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc., 418 U. S. 323, 418 U. S. 339 (1974)." Hustler v. Falwell 485 U.S. at 51.

  51. USA_Jew   3 years ago

    If social media companies are making editorial decisions, they are not merely platforms. Let them ban users and contents, but take away their section 230 protections.

  52. TJJ2000   3 years ago

    Oh lookie... The USA has a BIPARTISAN agreement to put Gov-Guns in charge of Social Media!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What could possibly go wrong./s

  53. Djea3   3 years ago

    Sorry Reason.com, you are 100% WRONG regarding your position. The issue is whether or not enrolment in social media creates a "private membership". If it is and was a private membership then YES you can limit free speech by people and can revoke memberships but ONLY if done in an objective way. For example statements supporting Antifa would be banned along with statements supporting the KKK. They are the SAME but from opposite directions!
    As social media by its design and character is open and and as anyone can join if they have an email, then any limit of free speech by the media is trampling on 1st amendment rights of those freely associated with that media.
    The ONLY exchange taking place is giving the right of the media to track and gain personal information by the members' use.
    Should social media begin to create a MEMBERSHIP with limited ideology that is well stated and can be enforced in an objective way, then they have the right to limit free speech, PROVIDED that the membership is PAID for.
    In other words, YES, the free social media is and should be considered "common carriers" IF they are open to enrolment without paid membership and stated ideology with objective methods of censorship. This is generally not possible overall as the entire ideology of these sites is to enroll everyone to benefit the advertisers and owners of the site which REQUIRES allowing full and complete discourse. They are attempting to "have their cake and eat it too". Sorry, but trampling on the 1st amendment rights of freely enrolled open members is repugnant on its face.

    1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      ...because that's not YOUR website; That's the [WE] foundations website!!!!/s

  54. TJJ2000   3 years ago

    Will Republicans EVER FREAK-EN learn that opening these nasty doors just gives the LEFT more POWER!!

  55. 901Tiger   3 years ago

    ""is an unprecedented assault on the editorial discretion of private websites"

    This statement alone no longer qualifies them for protections under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. They are claiming to be editors of their product, not a platform for free speech!

  56. BlackCat13th   3 years ago

    Social media claiming editorial discretion rights as a basis while trying to maintain they dont fit the definition of a publisher, is something foul.

    Something very very foul.

  57. Olman Grand   3 years ago

    I can tell you that there's already chaos on the internet, so it's not like Texas can do everything much worse. Well, of course, different companies like SEO Cork services help people find what they're looking for, but I can't say that it helps much when it comes to the whole internet. I'm pretty sure that there's nothing that can make the internet worse since it's more about the content there.

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