The New Campaign for a Sex-Free Internet
Sex, money, and the future of online free speech

For more than a decade, both amateurs and professionals shared their sometimes sweet, sometimes weird, and often graphic sexual activity on Pornhub. Launched in 2007 not long after YouTube and with a similar free-for-all spirit, the site represented a new wave of "adult entertainment" in which anyone with an internet connection could partake and anyone with a digital camera could become a star.
Dubbed "tube sites," Pornhub and its various peers began to dominate web traffic generally and porn consumption specifically. These sites trod on porn's established business model, but for savvy sex workers the tube site network could provide a way to break into the business or reach audiences directly, without the porn industry's usual middlemen. To monetize one's presence in the early days took some creativity, but tube sites would eventually offer content partnerships that allowed people to get paid directly for their videos. Their competitors, such as cam sites and clip stores, made the process of charging money and getting paid even smoother.
The result? For the first time, people with a truly diverse array of body types, looks, races, ethnicities, sexualities, gender identities, and kinks had direct access to the tools of porn production and distribution. In the past, porn had catered to a much more narrow range of tastes, with predictable results. Now audiences could access all sorts of content that defied conventional notions of who and what was deserving of lust. On sites like Pornhub and the microblogging platform Tumblr, outside-the-mainstream content thrived.
And then, one day, it was gone.
In December 2020, without warning, Pornhub removed all videos posted by unverified users—a massive cache of content encompassing anything not posted by formal content partners or members of the platform's official model program. More than 10 million videos were suspended, and unverified users were banned from uploading or downloading new videos.
It was more than a disruption to the site. The unannounced disappearing of so many videos was "a huge cultural loss," says Ashley, a transgender sex worker and civil rights activist with a robust presence on social media and in offline organizing. (At Ashley's request, we're identifying her by first name only.) Ashley volunteers with the Sex Workers Outreach Project (SWOP) Behind Bars, a group dedicated to helping incarcerated sex workers. She recently helped spearhead a campaign protesting financial discrimination against sex workers and LGBTQ content creators. Unverified videos, Ashley says, are "inclusive, just by definition, of all the queer content that people felt unsafe with being directly affiliated with."
The Pornhub purge came about two years after Tumblr's ban on any content depicting sex acts, and preceded a similar announcement in summer 2021 from OnlyFans, a subscription content site popularized by sex workers. OnlyFans would later reverse this edict, but the fate of adult content on the site remains uncertain.
Then, in September 2021, the first user-uploaded porn site—Xtube, founded in 2006 and now owned by the same parent company as Pornhub—shut down entirely.
Demand for online porn hasn't weakened, at least not according to web traffic numbers. Nor do there seem to be fewer people willing to create and post it; it's not uncommon to hear sex workers complain about the glut of adult content creators these days.
Nonetheless, it's a financially precarious, and perhaps even dangerous, time to be in the business of online porn. And one of the biggest reasons why is that a constellation of activist groups, rooted in deeply conservative opposition to virtually any depiction of sexuality in the public sphere, have put considerable pressure on the middlemen who keep online porn in business. In some cases, that pressure has led to the creation of onerous new laws; in others, it has been aided by support from powerful figures in business and government. These groups have repeatedly sought to conflate the existence of consensual commercial sex and porn production with the prospect of forced sexual exploitation, often with lurid statistics about exploited minors that don't stand up to scrutiny.
Although these groups say their aim is merely to rid the web of abuse, it's clear that their true goal is to eliminate the vast majority of adult sexual content from the web through a combination of legal pressure tactics, lobbying for new laws, and political intimidation. It's a campaign for a sex-free web. Rather than help vulnerable women, these efforts threaten to make life worse for the very people they claim to want to help—while simultaneously stifling internet expression more broadly.
From 'Morality' to 'Exploitation'
Few organizations have done as much to try to squelch online porn as the group that for most of its life was known as Morality in Media. The group was founded in 1962 to fight countercultural influences, especially those with sexually explicit material. In 1969, for example, it went after underground newspapers for "obscenities" and "push[ing] drug usage as the 'in' thing." In 1971, its target was "titillating ads in the U.S. mails," along with "smut in media"—including "nudie, homosexual, sado-masochistic and teen-age sex books"—that might be "inciting our nation's youth to violence, perversion, promiscuity, drug experimentation, hatred and tastelessness."
By the early '80s, the group was bemoaning adult bookstores, soap operas, and MTV. "Really and truly, soap operas are destroying the family's moral base," its president said in 1984. In the '90s, it railed against daytime talk shows and sitcoms depicting sex outside marriage. The specific nature of the threat was always shifting, but the core crusade was always about mass media portrayals of sexual activity that didn't align with traditional values.
In 2015, the group rebranded as the National Center on Sexual Exploitation (NCOSE). Since then, the internet and tech companies have become its primary targets. Search engines, social media, online classified ads, digital marketplaces, and streaming video services have all found themselves under fire, along with online pornography platforms like Pornhub and OnlyFans.
Today, the group tends to trade the language of "decency" and morality for feminist-tinged talk of consent, objectification, violence against women, and sex trafficking. Pornhub "normalizes themes of racism, incest, and violence against women," NCOSE said in a 2019 press release. HBO profits "from sexual objectification, exploitation, and violence," it declared in 2016. NCOSE describes its work broadly as "exposing the links between all forms of sexual exploitation such as child sex abuse, prostitution, sex trafficking, and the public health harms of pornography."
Underneath it all, though, NCOSE is still the same old musty conservative values group aimed at eradicating sexuality in the public sphere. It cloaks that under a mantle of saving the children, and it uses intimidation and legal pressure to get what it wants.
In recent years, the group's annual "dirty dozen" list has condemned the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit issue for "sending a message that women's bodies are for public consumption," Cosmopolitan magazine for "hypersexualized cover models," Seattle coffee stands for having scantily clad baristas, Amazon Prime Video for showing "simulated sex scenes," and Netflix for featuring "gratuitous amounts of nudity."
"When Netflix, a highly influential platform with over 200 million users across the globe, hosts sexually explicit content like 'Cuties,' 'Big Mouth,' and 'Sex Education,' it deserves to be called out for profiting from sexually exploitative content," says NCOSE CEO Dawn Hawkins. "Sexual exploitation is not entertainment."
NCOSE is one of a handful of influential groups intent on recasting a wide range of sexual content and activities as "exploitation." It's joined by groups such as Exodus Cry, which was born out of an evangelical Christian church in Kansas City and bills itself as foe of "commercial sexual exploitation"; the Justice Defense Fund, a lobbying and litigation group founded by the anti-porn activist Laila Mickelwait; and Demand Abolition, an anti–sex work group founded by the oil heiress and Clinton-era ambassador Swanee Hunt.
Though they speak the language of feminism, these groups are steeped in the spirit of conservative purity culture—an evangelical ethos popularized in the 1980s and '90s. Purity culture hinges on abstinence rituals like virginity pledges, chastity rings, and father-daughter "purity balls." It's predicated on the notion that sexual activity should be relegated to monogamous and heterosexual married couples, and it preaches strict gender roles, female modesty, and total abstinence from premarital sex. It often rests on the idea that promiscuity not only destroys a woman's value as a partner but her emotional stability and self-worth.
Some prominent anti-porn activists spring directly from this world. Exodus Cry founder Benjamin Nolot has distanced himself and his organization from the group's evangelical roots, but he became known for giving talks like "contending for purity in a pornified world," in which he defines sexual immorality as "all sexual activity outside of the marriage covenant between one man and one woman." Others come from a radical feminist background that eschews gender norms and embraces queerness yet sounds strangely like its religious right counterpart when it comes to sex work. In both frameworks, women who participate in porn are ruined. Men who watch porn are damaged. Porn "kills love" and threatens the well-being of American women and families.
A shared goal of these groups is to remake the internet as a sex-free zone by casting a vast swath of nontraditional sexual activity as "sexual exploitation" or "human trafficking," especially if it involves the transfer of money, even indirectly. "Any content that turns people into public sexual commodities has no place on the Internet or in society," Hawkins says.
This strategy has had remarkable success, earning an audience and acclaim among reporters, politicians, and prominent feminists unlikely to be so kind to a band of moralistic Bible-thumpers denouncing promiscuity and calling sex outside marriage a sin. The purity culture ethos of shame, abstinence, and fallen women still permeates these groups' activism. But it's been repackaged as a bid to protect women and kids from trauma and sexual harm rather than to uphold the sanctity of marriage and biblical womanhood.
A central plank of this strategy is litigation.
In January 2021, NCOSE helped bring a lawsuit accusing Twitter of sex trafficking. The basis for this claim is that the social media site temporarily hosted a link to a video, hosted on a separate site, featuring two teenagers engaged in sex acts. The minors had taken the video themselves and shared it with a third party via Snapchat. In August, a judge ruled against Twitter's motion to dismiss the case.
In February 2021, NCOSE helped bring a lawsuit against MindGeek, the parent company behind a number of porn sites, including Pornhub. In the suit, which is also ongoing, two Jane Does accuse Pornhub of hosting videos without their consent. And in March, NCOSE helped bring a lawsuit against WebGroup Czech Republic, the company behind one of the world's most visited porn platforms, XVideos.
In all of these cases, an underlying kernel of harm is alleged, such as a teen being blackmailed into sending a stranger sex videos or women being duped into appearing in online porn. But rather than target the perpetrators of that harm directly, the NCOSE strategy is to go after platforms that—however briefly or unknowingly—hosted evidence of it taking place.
None of these suits would have a chance at success without the Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act of 2018 (FOSTA), a law that NCOSE backed. In addition to making it a federal crime to host content that facilitates prostitution, FOSTA amended the federal statute known as Section 230—which says that individuals and intermediaries online aren't always legally liable for content, interactions, and transactions by clients or users—to make it easier for private citizens and state attorneys general to sue digital intermediaries.
Digital intermediaries include everything from Facebook and Twitter to Pornhub and XVideos to search engines, Substack, cloud hosting companies, dating apps, video chat platforms, web payment processors such as PayPal and Stripe, and any other website or app that serves as a conduit for content, communication, or trade.
The goal of both FOSTA and the NCOSE lawsuits is to change the Section 230 paradigm when it comes to sex. The strategy involves first recasting sex trafficking. Legally, this is prostitution that involves minors and/or force, fraud, or coercion; in the popular imagination, it necessarily involves violence, abduction, and rape. The crusaders want to make it mean essentially any activity that involves sex work, even between consenting adults, or any sexual activity involving minors, even if there is no commercialization and even if intermediaries facilitating its exposure have no reasonable expectation of knowing about it.
At its core is the idea that sex work can never just be work; it's always exploitation. Hawkins says as much: "That sex buyers must pay to sexually access the bodies of others demonstrates that the sex in prostitution is unwanted by those being paid. Payment, whether in cash or by other things of value, is the leverage used to abrogate the lack of authentic sexual desire of those in the sex trade."
Additionally, any third party profiting from sex—no matter how indirect or inconsequential—counts as exploitation. That's the crux of the Twitter lawsuit: NCOSE's argument is that because Twitter runs ads alongside all content, it profited from the tweet sharing footage of teens engaged in sex acts, and therefore it violated federal law against child sex trafficking.
Under this logic, it's incredibly risky—reputationally, legally, and financially—for online intermediaries to allow any sort of sexualized business or content. No company wants a reputation for supporting exploitation, sex trafficking, and child abuse. And hosting sex-business transactions risks FOSTA-enabled lawsuits and abandonment by credit card companies and banks.
In other words, these groups have gone after online sex work and pornography by making it difficult, if not impossible, for sexually oriented businesses to process payments and collect money for services rendered—if they can create accounts at all. These tactics threaten the entire porn industry and the livelihoods of thousands of sex workers. Online sex work is, after all, work: If you can't collect a paycheck or bill your clients, you can't do your job.
Creating Chokepoints
To that end, activists have been pressuring financial institutions—credit card companies, banks, etc.—not to do business with sex workers, sexually oriented businesses, or any intermediary that won't discriminate against these groups.
This method was tested with the classified advertising platform Backpage. In 2015, activists used the press and public relations campaigns to pressure credit card companies to stop processing Backpage transactions.
But it wasn't simply an activist pressure campaign: Cook County, Illinois, Sheriff Tom Dart, who has staked out one of the nation's most aggressive stances against sex work, threatened action against these companies if they didn't stop. After Dart's threats, Mastercard and Visa both quickly ditched Backpage. A federal judge would later rule Dart's actions unconstitutional, because they violated the First Amendment, but the damage was done.
The Backpage situation proved that popular pressure and the mere threat of sex trafficking lawsuits could work as well as, if not better than, government mandates. It's a playbook activists are now repeating with companies like Pornhub and OnlyFans.
Private campaigns to change business practices are a vital freedom. And private businesses can "censor" or choose not to associate with whomever they want. But that doesn't mean these actions are always a social good, nor beyond criticism. More importantly, porn's enemies aren't simply speaking out privately. They are also calling for, and in some cases successfully generating, legal and political sanctions.
It's true that NCOSE is not the Department of Justice (DOJ). An Exodus Cry petition isn't an executive order. But neither are these groups simply calling on people to boycott Pornnub or delete their Twitter accounts. They're calling on the DOJ and members of Congress to act against them, and they're filing lawsuits that threaten serious court-ordered consequences for these companies. These demands for state action have proven influential.
Take FOSTA. NCOSE backed the law and has taken credit for its passage. The group has alternated between appeals to women's liberation (calling it a "test of the strength of our national resolve to deliver on the promise of #MeToo") and appeals to saving the children ("today, ordering a child or adult online for sex is as easy as ordering a pizza"). NCOSE is now pushing another law to weaken Section 230 protections, called the Eliminating Abusive and Rampant Neglect of Interactive Technologies (EARN IT) Act, which eliminates Section 230 protections for material involving minors.
And sometimes they are clearly backed by state actors with real power, as Sheriff Dart's campaign against Backpage shows. Dart and Demand Abolition, notably, used to partner up for a series of prostitution stings called the "National Johns Suppression Initiative."
The threat to tech companies now is legal trouble not for failing to uphold current criminal justice norms but for failing to proactively define sex trafficking, exploitation, and obscenity as broadly as these groups would like them to be defined—and as these groups may eventually succeed at convincing lawmakers and courts to define them.
"What it comes down to really," tweeted Gustavo Turner, an editor at the adult industry publication XBIZ, "is that there's a well-funded, well-organized group of people working 24/7 to align the state's definition of 'crime' with their own notion of 'sin.'"
After FOSTA passed with the promise of taking down online classified ad venues, activists started focusing on other user-generated content platforms. Mickelwait's "TraffickingHub" campaign took aim specifically at Pornhub. And as with the crusades against classified ads, former New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof amplified this crusade. (Kristof left to run for governor of Oregon, but was ruled ineligible because of the state's residency requirements.)
In a highly sensationalistic December 2020 column, Kristof accused Pornhub of being complicit in rape and child abuse. To make this argument, Kristof relied heavily on Pornhub keyword searches and faulty assumptions. Ambiguous words and phrases like teens and young are taken to mean minors, even though these words often refer to young adults or are used to tag role-playing videos featuring adults who are actually much older. Scenes featuring "nonconsensual" encounters—another popular role-playing category—are likewise taken as indications of literal rape.
Kristof fleshes out these keyword insinuations with anecdotes from young women like Serena K. Fleites, who as a young teen took naked videos of herself, shared them with a boy, and wound up on Pornhub. She's now at the center of a class-action lawsuit against Pornhub's parent company, MindGeek. Fleites' is one of several tales Kristof relays in which videos were removed by Pornhub when notified, only to be reposted on Pornhub or other websites. Their stories showcase the perils of modern digital adolescence, when intimate images shared with other teens or exploitative adults can wind up living forever and recirculating endlessly online. What they don't suggest is a problem unique to Pornhub, since the videos often circulated around the internet. Nor do they reveal a company indifferent to underage or nonconsensual pornography.
"Any assertion that we allow CSAM"—that stands for child sexual abuse material, the new officialese term for sexualized content featuring anyone under age 18—"is irresponsible and flagrantly untrue," protested Pornhub in a statement. It went on to point out that an Internet Watch Foundation analysis has found only "118 incidents of CSAM on Pornhub in a three year period." This is out of millions of videos—around 13.5 million before the purge, according to Vice.
Data from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children shows MindGeek reported 13,229 instances of potential underage content to the group's tipline in 2020—far more than many tech companies, but far less than such mainstream platforms as Google (which submitted 546,704), Imgur (31,571), Facebook (20,307,216), Microsoft (96,776), Snapchat (144,095), TikTok (22,692), and Twitter (65,062).
None of those numbers offer definitive proof of anything, since they're a function of how much a service is used and by how many people as well as the company's proactiveness and internal definitions. But to the extent that online exploitation is a problem, they suggest that porn sites aren't the chief vectors. Indeed, Kristof's op-ed even admitted that these mainstream sites may be trafficking in far higher volumes of illegal imagery. Nonetheless, he closed his column by calling on credit card companies to stop doing business with Pornhub.
Kristof's cry was echoed by an influential hedge fund manager, Bill Ackman, who reportedly convinced Mastercard's then-CEO Ajay Banga to comply. (Ackman's crusade has since expanded; he has recently accused Google, Bing, Microsoft, Yahoo, and Twitter of "facilitat[ing] and profit[ing] from the distribution of child rape porn" because they allow links to or search results from porn sites.) Before long, Mastercard, Visa, and Discover suspended business with Pornhub and its parent company, MindGeek. (Visa later resumed business with some MindGeek properties.)
Last summer, Visa and Colbeck Capital were added to a lawsuit filed against MindGeek. "It is believed to be the first Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) case that attempts to hold financial institutions accountable for the role they may play in sexual exploitation by processing payments," the Financial Post reported. If successful, it could pave the way for taking credit card companies to court any time they unwittingly aid in harm.
Many cheer these developments when they affect a business or cause they don't like. But once the floodgates open, it creates new avenues for legal pressure against any industry, company, or individual who can plausibly be portrayed as dangerous, including political causes and movements.
It's part of a trend of using "banks as a proxy for state censorship," Porn Panic! author Jerry Barnett suggested in a September Quillette article. And this trend coincides with other disturbing developments, including "increasingly muscular attempts by democratic governments to censor the internet…the successful linkage of a largely baseless 'sex trafficking' narrative with sex work and pornography; and a zero tolerance approach to content platforms that holds them responsible for even a single illegal item of content."
"Pushing for more aggressive content moderation, especially from infrastructure-like entities like payment processors, web hosts, [content delivery networks], etc, is a terrible idea that will always backfire against marginalized people and social movements," tweeted Evan Greer, director of the digital rights group Fight for the Future. And "that ship has maybe sailed. There is practically an entire industry now around pushing narratives like 'Why is XYZ web service hosting ABC terrible thing? This is an outrage!' (and well-intentioned but misguided journalists happy to uncritically amplify)."
Mastercard Speeds the Erasure
Not long after Kristof's article came out, Pornhub announced new policies, including the takedown of millions of videos posted by unverified users. Some treated this as a win against exploitation, while others accused Pornhub of simply trying to erase evidence of its wrongdoing. But Pornhub users and creators may see it differently.
Unverified content doesn't translate to illegal or harmful content. Anyone posting in the early days, anyone wishing to remain anonymous, amateurs with no wish to monetize their videos—all were unverified.
"Unverified on Pornhub just meant that they didn't want to give their ID to MindGeek," says Ashley, the sex worker activist. These videos were removed "as kind of a sacrificial altar in the name of keeping payments." But it wasn't enough for the credit card companies and Pornhub "got defunded anyway."
Meanwhile, a huge archive of diverse content was just gone. "Most of the retro movies were washed away," lamented Steven Underwood at LGBT news site NewNowNext recently. "We lost many scenes, including content starring models who have become synonymous with queer dalliance and exploration."
When Tumblr ditched sexual content in 2018, people realized that a lot of artistic and archival material was lost, says Ashley. "It's only stigma against porn—the word porn, the idea of porn being central to a site—that prevents people from realizing that a similar loss of culture just happened on Pornhub."
Last year, Ashley was one of the organizers of a day of sex worker action dubbed Acceptance Matters, which included protests, online testimonials, and a petition that got more than 2,000 signatures. While targeted at discrimination from the banking and financial services industry in general, the campaign was especially a swipe at Mastercard, which uses the slogan "Acceptance Matters" in its LGBTQ campaign.
In April 2021, Mastercard announced new rules for all adult businesses and content. The rules—which took effect October 15—state that "banks that connect merchants to our network will need to certify that the seller of adult content has effective controls in place to monitor, block and, where necessary, take down all illegal content." Putting banks in charge of gathering information on and evaluating such policies is no small task, and likely many will determine doing business with adult content businesses isn't worth it.
Some of the required controls Mastercard offers are that adult businesses must review all content prior to publication—a costly and time-consuming proposal that goes far beyond current practices for mainstream social media and user–generated content based platforms. In addition, they must have "documented age and identity verification for all people depicted and those uploading the content," a rule that goes beyond what's required by federal law, under which porn creators are required to keep such records, but web platforms that host them are not.
Mastercard's policies "will result in a major chilling effect and destruction of many ways of working for sex workers and other impacted parties," including all queer content creators, argues the Acceptance Matters website. In addition, "all of society suffers from restrictions on consensual sexuality and speech, increases in surveillance, and misdirection of resources that should help the most vulnerable."
With the Acceptance Matters campaign, "we're asking Mastercard to live up to their publicly stated goals and promises to [the LGBTQ] community," Ashley tells me. In LGBTQ outreach efforts, Mastercard is "trying to get us to spend through them, but they're not doing anything to make sure the card is accepted at our businesses," she points out. "Like, it's not that we need rainbow branded cards. It's that we need basic access to the same basic tools everyone else has, and an end to policies that discriminate against us by targeting a job that we're more likely to do than anyone else."
"They're destabilizing the entire community—even people who are not sex workers—because when your community is defined by sexual orientation, it's seen as sexual content," Ashley says. Rules that may make sense for professional porn producers and performers, such as mandatory IDs, "would really suck for fine artists and historians and educators and just average everyday people who deserve a right to be able to post nudity to other adults without being tracked by the state."
OnlyFans Under Fire
Many blamed Mastercard's new policy for a July 2021 announcement from OnlyFans that it would stop allowing sexually explicit content. The announcement came as a huge blow to adult content creators. It's "like Taco Bell deciding not to sell tacos anymore," commented sex worker and content creator Kimmy Kalani in an August 27 video about the announcement. "We helped build that platform, and they're just going to kick us to the curb."
But Mastercard's new policy had no bearing on the decision, nor was it investor-driven, according to OnlyFans founder and CEO Tim Stokely.
"The change in policy, we had no choice—the short answer is banks," Stokely told the Financial Times in August. Institutions such as the Bank of New York Mellon Corporation and the U.K.'s Metro Bank would "cite reputational risk and refuse our business," said Stokely. "JPMorgan Chase is particularly aggressive in closing accounts of sex workers or…any business that supports sex workers."
OnlyFans reversed course about the policy on August 25, stating that it had "secured assurances necessary to support our diverse creator community" and would "continue to provide a home for all creators." But the situation highlights how precarious things can be for platforms that want to allow adult creators—and for the creators who rely on them for income.
It's not just traditional banks and credit card companies aggressively policing adult business. Many online payment processors, such as Square, PayPal, and Google Pay, explicitly reject transactions for adult-oriented businesses and performers, or have been known to close sex worker accounts without warning.
The False Promise of Crypto
When OnlyFans first announced it was banning adult content, Edward Snowden tweeted, "Bitcoin fixes this." This isn't a rare notion. For several years, various folks have suggested that cryptocurrency can solve sex workers' issues with banks and credit card companies. The idea really picked up in 2015, when Backpage, backed into a corner by Sheriff Dart's pressure on credit card companies, began accepting bitcoin, litecoin, and dogecoin for paid ads. Suddenly, sex worker guides to bitcoin started popping up everywhere. Headlines have declared that "sex work is moving to blockchain payments" and "sex workers are finding freedom in cryptocurrency." Filmmaker and performer Whitney Moore tweeted last year that "Bitcoin will be the answer when Venmo, PayPal and the like continue to shoot themselves in the foot by cracking down on [sex worker] payments."
But while bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies might help mitigate issues with traditional banking, they're far from a panacea.
"Over the last 4 years I have tried in vain to get my customers to pay me in crypto and let me tell you, it's like pulling teeth," says adult performer and content creator Allie Awesome. "Tons of sex workers are able to accept crypto, and we would love to, but that doesn't mean our customers will adopt it."
Besides, sex workers still need a way to convert crypto payments to cash. "My landlord does not accept bitcoin. The grocery store does not accept bitcoin. We still rely on exchanges and banks," says Awesome. And "not all [cryptocurrency] exchanges are sex worker friendly….You also need to link your bank to an exchange in order to cash out, and banks aren't always sex worker friendly either."
For instance, Coinbase explicitly prohibits businesses engaged in "adult content" from using its services. On top of all that, the rules around cryptocurrency are constantly changing, making its use "somewhat of a gray area legally," notes Awesome. "It seems like every week there is a new law being passed or the [Securities and Exchange Commission] launches a new investigation."
And with Democrats pressing to treat cryptocurrency brokers more like traditional financial players, exchanges and other platforms that deal in cryptocurrency may wind up pressured to exclude sex workers, too.
A War on Intermediaries—and Sex Workers
What all of these tactics share is a focus on intermediaries. Payment processors. Social platforms. Even hotels. One NCOSE-backed lawsuit accuses Wyndham Hotels of sex trafficking for failing to put a stop to prostitution involving a 16-year-old that was taking place in one of its rooms; NCOSE alleges that hotel staff should've been suspicious of things like "large quantities of used condoms left in the room" and "excessive requests for sheets and room cleaning services." Another suit is against the state of Nevada, where some counties allow legal (and highly regulated) brothels.
These suits give you a sense of the NCOSE mission's scope. The group might claim its only goal is to stop extreme exploitation, not consensual encounters. But this sounds awfully close to wanting constant surveillance of people having sex outside traditional bounds.
Activists have found that they don't need to directly ban pornography, LGBTQ content creators, sex workers, etc. They just need to portray the commingling of sex and money as "risky" and increase the threat of legal and criminal justice penalties for ignoring those risks.
Shutting down websites that largely traffic in legal and expressive content—and are keen to intervene when this isn't the case—can raise the profile of a group like NCOSE, which fund-raises off the idea that it's fighting "human trafficking" rather than images of consensual nudity. But threatening their livelihoods doesn't always prompt people to quit porn. Sometimes it just makes their working conditions more dangerous. And shutting down centralized platforms doesn't stop predators from posting illegal or exploitative content. But it does make that content and the platforms hosting it harder for investigators to reach.
"Companies like Mastercard are now accomplices in the disenfranchisement of millions of sex workers, complicit in pushing workers away from independence into potentially more dangerous and exploitative conditions," says the Free Speech Coalition, an adult industry trade group. The grim irony is that NCOSE may be facilitating real exploitation in the name of stamping it out.
Many sex workers, it's fair to say, don't feel like any of these moves actually protect them. "Taking away our platforms does not help sex workers or trafficking survivors," says Awesome. Sex work advocacy groups, she says, have offered real help in actual instances of trafficking. "Sex workers are the experts on our lives and experiences," she says. "The [anti-porn activists] aren't. They rely on fabrications, half-truths, and sensationalized narratives."
"You know who actually cares the most about trafficking?" Awesome asks. "Sex workers."
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It's true that NCOSE is not the Department of Justice (DOJ). An Exodus Cry petition isn't an executive order. But neither are these groups simply calling on people to boycott Pornnub or delete their Twitter accounts. They're calling on the DOJ and members of Congress to act against them, and they're filing lawsuits that threaten serious court-ordered consequences for these companies. These demands for state action have proven influential.
Private corporations!
Thems the rules.
Sounds like someone is upset that private companies set their own policies.
I'm not going back to the Macy's circular.
What about National Geographic?
Not that I have anything against old Sears Catalogs, but, damnit, it should be a nostalgic option, not the only game in town!
Not enough native toplessness to keep things "fresh."
Nat Geo will need to start doing anthropological articles on the native customs of the inhabitants of Brazil's beaches, not rainforest.
I thought all the forests in Brazil have been clear cut these days.
I had heard Mark Levin citing an article that not only has the Amazon Rainforest not died, but it is now a major source of Carbon Dioxide.
Wow, Way to miss the point of a joke.
Not so. Maybe the heavy-breathing chicks getting Brazillians are the source.
Oh, by the bye. Disney+ has NatGeo as a streaming partner, so anybody caught with NatGeo media may be lynched by all the Religious Right mobs.
Maybe they’ll bring back the Sears catalog.
They'll have to bring back Sears first. Vote 'Yes' on The Historic Preservation for Washed-Up Retail Act! 😉
build your own porn site
And your own payment processor. And your own state.
Nobody needs 27 kinds of porn.
Maybe not, but 27 different types of people need at least one. You may want to cover up more; your myopic worldview is showing.
Sorry you didn’t get the joke.
Sorry, I didn't realize you were joking. I apologize, that's my fault.
At Bernie's age, would he even want any?
Probably, considering he was an "erotic fiction" author back in the day (not making this up):
https://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-wrote-an-erotic-essay-he-compares-to-fifty-shades-of-gray-2015-6
“This is a piece of fiction that I wrote in 1972, I think,” Sanders said. “That was 43 years ago. It was very poorly written and if you read it, what it was dealing with was gender stereotypes, why some men like to oppress women, why other women like to be submissive, you know, something like ‘Fifty Shades of Grey.’”
He said “age”. What he did 50 years ago isn’t an appropriate response bird.
He doesn't need to get off on porn any more, he can get off on raping and dominating the economy.
Or just falsely accusing billionaires of not paying taxes.
What about 11 herbs and spices? Should doors be kicked in and guns fired to ban those? It IS an odd number, right?
Domt worry, no one is going to break down the doors of that nursing home for Alzheimer’s patients where you reside.
Dementia isn't always Alzheimer's. I think Hank's is more like vascular dementia or posterior cortical atrophy.
Look, nobody said porn was going to be fun!
True. Everyone needs at least 30.
What do you get when you mix puritanism, Marxism, and CRT?
I'm at a loss to figure out how CRT or Marxism is involved in an agressive campaign against sex.
Because to Feminists, sex is sexist.
And to CRT-ists, sex is racist because the sciences of Anatomy and Sexology which study sex and the rational, objective worldview which science requires are racist.
And getting paid for anything, much less sex, is Marxist definition of "exploitation."
I guess that covers it all quite nicely.
Pop-Up Video Factoid: No surprise, according to the French-produced documentary Sex Revolutions, Far Leftist Leninists, Stalinists, Maoists, and Trotskyites in the Sixties wanted nothing to do with the Free Love/Sexual Revolution/LGBTQ+ activism of the Sixties. and Seventies.
“Because to Feminists, sex is sexist.”
Some factions of feminism.
Not to the original generation of feminists. And not to whichever feminist faction ENB belongs to.
Well, any movement that places primacy upon one sex is decidedly not sexy.
To the ENB-style, neo-Second Wave feminists of the world, there is no such thing as sexual deviance or perversion once legal adults have signed on the dotted line. All porn, no matter how degrading it appears to be, is psychologically healthy for viewers and participants both, innocent, wholesome, and culturally edifying. It's a positive good that emancipates women and LGBTQIA+ persons from the shackles of repressive patriarchal ideas such as modesty, chastity, self-restraint, human sexuality bearing some significant relation to human reproduction, and viewing unbridled lust and objectification as destructive vices. There is no moral question beyond legal consent and no spiritual dimension at all. Anyone who disagrees is a misogynistic prude and puritanical religious zealot.
"Because to Feminists, sex is sexist"
Most feminists aren't opposed to sex, nor do they think it is inherently oppressive.
"to CRT-ists, sex is racist"
I have never seen any CRT advicate, from the most moderate to the most radical, say that sex is racist.
"And getting paid for anything, much less sex, is Marxist definition of "exploitation"
Marxism isn't in any way opposed to payment for services.
It's astonishing that you can hate all three of these things while being completely ignorant about all three of them.
Most feminists aren't opposed to sex, nor do they think it is inherently oppressive.
Feminists will not regard their work as done until women have everything men have, not just rights and opportunities, but outcomes. Until then, all relations between men and women are exploitative.
I have never seen any CRT advicate, from the most moderate to the most radical, say that sex is racist.
CRT regards the ideas of Objective Reality, Reason, Logic, and Science as racist and "White Supremacist," so they must necessarily regard all subjects of human study, including sex, as racist and "White Supremacist" too.
Marxism isn't in any way opposed to payment for services.
Pay as exploitation is precisely the Marxist Labor Theory of Value in a nutshell.
It's astonishing that you can hate all three of these things while being completely ignorant about all three of them.
No, to know them is to hate them.
You seem to be incapable of distinguishing between the most radical elements of these movements and the majority who aren't extremists.
You also don't seem to be able to distinguish between the far right and moderate conservatives, so at least you are consistent.
A creature of the radical fringe, but consistent.
Both are trying to dissolve the bonds between people so the bond is formed with the state instead.
Or, put another way:
In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy – everything. Already we are breaking down the habits of thought which have survived from before the Revolution. We have cut the links between child and parent, and between man and man, and between man and woman. No one dares trust a wife or a child or a friend any longer. But in the future there will be no wives and no friends. Children will be taken from their mothers at birth, as one takes eggs from a hen. The sex instinct will be eradicated. Procreation will be an annual formality like the renewal of a ration card. We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother.
Not unprecedented in evangelical religions:
“If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple.”
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things is not the same.
Yep. One is Marx and one is Jesus. And like Jean-François Revel, I am without both.
One places one's commitment to God ahead of family bonds. The other places one's commitment to the state ahead of family bonds. The difference is that the former urging is to promote your own spiritual welfare by an Agency that actually desires well ordered families and has your best interests at heart, whereas the latter is intended to strengthen the power of the almighty state, run by the most vicious actors in society who see you at best as a contemptible pawn in their struggle for ever more power.
White Mike could not quote another scripture so far out of context if he tried.
The Junior Anti-Sex League? The New York Society for the Suppression of Vice? Anthony Comstock?
You know who else you might end up with if you mix racially obsessed totalitarian ideology with sexual prudery?
The first question I would love to ask anyone who advocates for sex works. Would you be proud of your adult children becoming a sex worker? If not your a hypocrite. That said I do have an issue with any child having access to this content . I don’t care what adults do but a 10 yr old , that’s something entirely different. When my children where young in late 2000’s it was impossible to block it. It’s not just pornhub . Inappropriate content for children can be found on twitter vemmo etc . If there was a robust age verification system I wouldn’t have a problem with it .
"Inappropriate content for children can be found on twitter vemmo etc ."
If by "vemmo" you meant "venmo", I'd like to know just how you're using that app.
I'd like to know how he got Venmo to give him porn. In detail.
I'm asking for a friend.
"Would you be proud of your adult children becoming a sex worker?"
Are they happy, prosperous, and choosing this for themselves? Then yes.
I'd be a whole lot prouder of them than if they took a job with Focus on the Family, Project Veritas, or InfoWars. At least with sex work they could be honest and have integrity.
And with sex work - unlike those others - if you're prosecuted Reason can be relied on to publish detailed denunciations of the prosecution.
As any libertarian should. Using the force of government to prohibit what consenting adults choose to do, as long as it doesn't harm anyone else, is kinda the main point of libertarianism.
Sorry, thst's supposed to say "Opposition to using the force ..."
I'm not quite sure you got the point of my comment, but that's OK. 🙂
Well, what do you know, Reason *did* cover the Project Veritas situation. I guess I was wrong. On the Internet, no less.
Well, what do you know, Reason *did* cover the Project Veritas situation. I guess I was wrong. On the Internet, no less.
Which Project Veritas situation? There are so many examples of them being fraudulent grifters it's hard to keep track.
So many examples you couldn’t even give one. 5 minutes of cursory research would disabuse you of that dumb notion.
ENB leans into territory where the liberal distinction is erased between "morally good or bad or neutral, it should be legally tolerated" and "it should be legally tolerated, therefore it should be morally celebrated."
^ This. Completely agree with what you're saying here.
Thinking something that you wouldn’t want your child to do shouldn’t be illegal isn’t being hypocritical.
I think spitin tobacy is gross. Doesn’t mean I want it criminalized.
That's OK. They way prices have spiked, most have given up the chaw.
Maybe we could inflate the sex industry! (Has that ever been done?)
There is a lot of potential for growth there, to be certain.
Part of it already is inflatable and is frequently inflated.
It would bother me a lot if it were my child. But I’ve never had a problem, as a libertarian, with the paradox of being personality fairly conservative while not wanting to limit the freedom of others.
Related anecdote: A friend of mine back in the California Libertarian Party had a funny story about being at some picnic for his kid’s school or something, and having Starchild, infamous fairy wing-wearing male bisexual prostitute, spotting him and coming over to say hello in front of all the other parents.
Starchild could be annoying as hell sometimes at California LP conventions, but you had to admit, even if you were personally conservative, that he was a good-hearted, honorable, honest person, and highly intelligent.
Starfish Child Person is one of the creeps most insistently determined to wreck the Libertarian Party by bringing back the mandatory child molestation plank of 1980. These and the anarchist communist infiltrators the LP strives to keep off the gibbet are what censor's begged God for as a pretext for breaking, entering, shooting, looting and burning us the way Mohammedans do French satire magazines. They got us kicked off the ballot in nearly half of These States and anoint pinheads to run for office.
I’m not up on what’s going on in the LP. What’s this current infighting about?
I left precisely because the LP was dysfunctional internal conflict 24/7.
Now the feud is between the free-market social progressives on the LNC and the hard-right fusionist, anarcho-paleoconservative Hoppeans in the Mises Caucus, with the old news, voluntaryist radicals being split between the two camps and culturally centrist or center-right libertarian types avoiding the fray and wishing for the infighting to end.
My being proud of my children doing something has nothing to do with it being legal. I wouldn't be proud of my kid dropping out of school and asking people if they want fries with that, that doesn't mean we should outlaw Burger King.
Yeah, like I don’t want my kids to grow up to be drug addicts, but if they do it would make everything about it worse if it leads to their being in legal trouble, too.
Your child's access to the internet is your responsibility.
To answer your question: no, but my pride in my children would be based on how they lived their lives, not the profession they chose. I would not be proud of my children because they went into sex work, but I would also not be proud of them because they went into law or the tech industry. It's their character that is more important.
If one of my children wants to choose a profession that fucks people for a living, I would feel prouder if they became a sex worker than a bureaucrat or politician.
Would you be proud of your wife/husband/mother/daughter working the counter at McDonald's?
How about working as a janitor?
If not, does that mean you are a hypocrite if you eat at McDonald's or use public toilets?
Dear ENB,
I'm not reading your "I want "Protection For 'Good Samaritan' Blocking and Screening of Offensive Material" without blocking and screening of *my* offensive material." self-retardation screed. The vacillation between 'porn is good and expressive', 'porn is undesirable but tolerable', and 'porn is exploitative and intolerable' is a struggle of your own feminists' (predecessors') doing. Grow up. GYST. Then get back to us.
Fuck You,
mad.casual
Uh, clearly she is in the "porn is good and expressive" camp.
And this one of the few pieces of real journalism she has that doesn't use a Twitter feed as a crutch. I'm impressed.
I admit, I did scroll back to the top to see if it was her name on it.
Just posting twitters is her usual M.O.
Can't do twitter now; some damn fool that believes in individual freedom bought in.
Hah! Yeah.
Honestly? I don't care who owns it, I won't even click on a link to it. Too much there is trash, has been for too long, and their fundamental way of operating is toxic. I don't think it is savable, nor is there a way to make it palatable to me.
Twitter incorporated hashtags and publicly available analytics tooling so lazy journalists could see what was "trending" and report on that rather than, you know, actually go out and talk to people or find out what's going on for themselves. Everyone with a botnet knows how to manipulate that shit, and has been since the beginning. It's a giant, spiraling mass of media/internet buttfuckery, in the worst way, all the social manipulators both feeding on and being fed by one another.
I wonder if buying it is Elon's version of the Louis CK sketch about Shit Ass Pet Fuckers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwD0uGNkP9c
The Reason morning links aren’t intended to be journalism. They are links to read while drinking your coffee.
Cite?
Uh, clearly she is in the "porn is good and expressive" camp.
No. She's in the "I want "Protection For 'Good Samaritan' Blocking and Screening of Offensive Material" without blocking and screening of *my* offensive material." camp:
reason.com/2021/05/24/section-230-haters-arent-going-away/
reason.com/2018/11/28/stop-blaming-section-230/
reason.com/2019/01/25/four-cheers-for-cda-section-230/
reason.com/video/2019/09/11/politicians-want-to-destroy-section-230-the-internets-first-amendment/
I bet your Mom doesn't use Twitter as a news source either, impressed?
I've never seen the word "new" used so loosely.
The "new" is clearly referring to tactics, not goals. She talked extensively about the history and antecedents of the moralistic authoritarians trying to force everyone to live by antiquated (and increasingly rejected) mores.
Tell me again how traditionalists love liberty?
I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
Traditionalists sure as hell hate Lysander Spooner and Ayn Rand.
NCOSE didn't force Pornohub to clean up, not that they didn't try and would love to take all the credit. The Woke mob and international leftist governments did.
2020 isn't so long ago that we can't remember what happened. https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/ex-adult-star-jenna-jameson-22286514
https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/terry-crews-pornhub/
As usual, ENB is crying villain at the target she wishes was guilty rather than the party who is actually guilty because it's full of her ideological allies.
She did an excellent job of laying out the decades-long campaign by the forces of self-righteousness and paternalistism to protect adults from making decisions for themselves.
The sooner we can kick the people who are trying to protect everyone from themselves (whether the impetus comes from the left or right), the sooner we can take the next step down the path of improving our "more perfect union".
"She did an excellent job of laying out the decades-long campaign by the forces of self-righteousness and paternalistism"
So what? That campaign and those "forces" were totally ineffective and accomplished less than nothing.
What did work, was when feminists and anti-sex lefties went after the pornographers for ideological reasons, which ENB totally glosses over and ignores.
So if you actually want to "kick the people" who got rid of the amateur stuff, you're focused on the wrong group.
I'm gping to assume that you missed "whether the impetus comes from the left or right" unintentionally.
I don't have a problem pointing out that both liberals and conservatives on the fringes are equally attracted to authoritarianism.
As for your "So what?" comment, the same forces that want to clamp down on consenting adults doing things are the ones that just got a woman in Texas arrested and charged with murder for an "illegal abortion". Which is why, despite the fact that both are equally authoritarian, cultural conservatives are far more dangerous than the loony left.
Plus, of course, the article makes clear that cultural conservatives are getting results these days in their crusade against porn.
"I'm gping to assume that you missed "whether the impetus comes from the left or right" unintentionally."
What utter nonsense. A one sentence "both sides" after paragraph after paragraph of blasting the irrelevant factor, while purposefully never mentioning the leftist groups and campaigns actually responsible, isn't a refutation of the real culprits.
Seriously, who do you think you're fooling.
"As for your "So what?" comment, the same forces that want to clamp down on consenting adults doing things are the ones that just got a woman in Texas arrested and charged with murder for an "illegal abortion".
Fantastic, I imagine that there's probably far more to the story than what you said, but anyone who kills their kid should rot in jail.
BTW, murdering someone isn't the same thing as consensual fucking on camera, so you can cram your disingenuous analogy and slimy little distraction technique up your ass.
It isn't both sides. Because there aren't just two sides to most issues. In this case the authoritatian right and the authoritarian left share an issue and, once again, the moderates get screwed by the extremists.
Pretending that the right has nothing to do with the relentless efforts against porn is laughable. And the anti-porn right and the anti-porn left are both anti-liberty. Neither is fighting the good fight, regarless of their paternalistic moralizing.
"anyone who kills their kid"
No one is killing kids. Having an abortion isn't murder. Not morally, not practically, and not legally. So what you're really saying is that as long as the false charges and false arrest is for something that you like, you're OK with ignoring the rule of law. No issue is that important.
"BTW, murdering someone isn't the same thing as consensual fucking on camera"
You're making my point for me. Your personal opinion is that abortion is murder. But since most people disagree with you, you are 100% behind government force being used to prevent adults from making their own moral decisions for themselves. Just like anti-porn conservatives are 100% behind government force being used to prevent adults from making their own moral decision about porn.
You can't claim "both sides" just because the far left and the far right agree. The two sides here are those who believe adults should have the liberty to make their own moral decisions and thise who believe the government should force them. You are on the side of givernment force. I am on the side of liberty.
"No one is killing kids. Having an abortion isn't murder."
Abortion is exactly murder unless you're one of those psychotic apologists who believes a trip through the magical halls of the birth canal fairy is what turned you into a real boy.
"Not morally, not practically, and not legally."
It's murder scientifically, unless you can somehow explain at what point other than conception you could call an entity "human". Your birth canal fairy isn't going to cut it.
As for morally, chopping someone to bits and tossing them in an incinerator and selling their organs, can only be considered moral if you're some sort of Moloch worshiping ghoul.
"But since most people disagree with you"
Most people disagree with you. 71% of Americans support abortion restrictions: poll
The vast majority poll that abortion should be restricted or illegal after the first trimester. You know, just like Europe's laws.
Only a handful of crazy zealots like yourself want unrestricted full term abortions.
You're nowhere near the majority, psycho.
"The two sides here are those who believe adults should have the liberty to make their own moral decisions and thise who believe the government should force them. You are on the side of givernment force."
Maybe you want to try and throw out those accusations again after the federal government stops funding Planned Parenthood and providing abortions in other countries, Ghoulio.
"Abortion is exactly murder unless you're one of those psychotic apologists who believes a trip through the magical halls of the birth canal fairy is what turned you into a real boy."
Data indicates that what you call "psychotic apologists", reasonable people call "the vast majority of Americans". Your fringe "life begins at conception" belief is fine if you want to follow it. Just stop trying to force the rest of us.
"murder scientifically"
Fascinating. I didn't realize there was a scientific definition of murder. You wouldn't happen to be able to find that anywhere, would you?
I didn't think so.
"chopping someone to bits and tossing them in an incinerator and selling their organs"
Do you believe everything the most radical, irrational cultural conservatives tell you? Because most abortions are handled with medication. It's almost like you are trying to be dishonest about what abortion actually is. But you wouldn't do that, would you?
"71% of Americans support abortion restrictions"
Yes. I am one of them. I don't support abortion after full brain and cognitive development (roughly 26 weeks).
But that's not your position. Your position is that life begins at conception and abortion should be banned. Only 15% of Americans support that.
And I am surprised the percentage who support some restrictions is only 71%. The numbers I have seen usually runs over 90%. Less than 10% of Americans support abortion through the entire pregnancy.
"Maybe you want to try and throw out those accusations again after the federal government stops funding Planned Parenthood and providing abortions in other countries, Ghoulio."
Why? Personal liberty means that people get to choose for themselves what medical care they receive and who provides it.
Cultural conservatives like you are inherently anti-liberty. Given the freedom to choose for themselves Americans reject, to greater or lesser degrees depending on the issue, most moralistic conservative positions. That's why you have to force people through the power of the state. Your positions are unconvincing and have been abandoned over time.
I'm comfortable letting people make their own decisions based on their own values. Why aren't you?
"Fantastic, I imagine that there's probably far more to the story than what you said, but anyone who kills their kid should rot in jail."
An update for ends-justify-the-means anti-rule-of-law totalitarians. This is what honesty and integrity looks like:
“Yesterday afternoon, I reached out to counsel for Ms. Lizelle Herrera to advise him that my office will be filing a motion dismissing the indictment against Ms. Herrera,” Gocha Allen Ramirez, the district attorney for Starr, Jim Hogg, and Duval counties, said in a statement Sunday. “In reviewing applicable Texas law, it is clear that Ms. Herrera cannot and should not be prosecuted for the allegation against her.” Herrera was charged by the Starr County Sheriff’s Office on Friday for the “illegal” abortion.
The Starr County Sheriff's office, on the other hand, clearly doesn't understand that "law enforcement" means someone has to actually break a law to be arrested and kill someone to be charged with murder.
This is the future that cultural conservatuves see as a good one. God, please save us from your fanatics.
You don't have to be a scary "cultural conservative" to think that stupid, lazy sluts who want to kill their kid, just because they couldn't be assed to use the pill and condoms, deserve jail time.
"God, please save us from your fanatics"
Praying to Moloch again? Refresh my memory, are the fanatics the ones who want to chop the babies to bits, or the ones against that?
Wow. You aren't a totalitarian at all, eh? You are on the side of the angels and anyone who disagrees is evil, right?
That sounds totally sane.
ENB wrote in the article that the motives behind the people pressuring Pornhub were "deeply conservative". That does not appear to even recognize that left wing groups had anything to do with it at all. Or she is using an eccentric definition of "conservative" that means any opposition to porn is conservative whether or comes from the Right or the Left.
She specifically argued that the conservative groups, seeing the success that far left groups have had, are adopting their language and approach.
This is correct. Jerry Falwell didn't have any influence on PornHub, however, trillion dollar Silicon Valley corporations and their anti-trafficking, written-consent-for-every-sexual-act, Hunting Grounds documentary making, Obama administration 'dear colleague letter' sending rape-and-exploitation-is-everywhere activists did.
To be fair,our overlords here in Shiticon do allow us to give consent for each sex act orally (YUKYUKYUK) and then simply initial next to each act on a pre-printed form during the post-coital interlude. Cuts down on those damn cigarettes too—double prog score!
What's more, is groups like Morality in Media have been around since 1962. Just a quick glance around the landscape and it's pretty clear they're losing the culture war.
What Morality in Media couldn't do in 60 years, a small group of feminist academics and left-wing anti-sex crusaders were able to do in like what, 60 months?
Jerry Falwell ain't winning the culture war... Andrea Dworkin, on the other hand...
It's always like it's 1992 for our Reasonistas.
Yeah, they're perpetually fighting against the conservative mindset of the 1950s that they themselves know and say was between apocryphal and anachronistic. It's like hearing Rage Against The Machine rail against W for being a warmongering "son of a drug lord".
Yeah, they do like to live in the past. Clingers, as some might say.
And there is no Rage as boring as incoherent rage. RATM sucks.
Why is it that you and Mother seem to think that the radical right had nothing to do with the change in the legal landscape? It seems pretty clear they not only had a hind in it, they are bragging about it.
If you want to say that the authoritarians on both fringes joined forces, I can see that. But saying it wasn't the traditionalist, cultural conservative fringe is just lying.
Because they didn't. They were totally ineffective and are now virtually dead.
Today's fascism, censorship, anti-speech activities and morality crusades come solely and exclusively from the authoritarian left. You must have lived under a rock for the last twenty years if you don't realize that, or you're deliberately lying and running cover for them.
From reading your other posts I'm going to guess lying.
2020 wasn't even two years ago. We remember what actually happened with Pornhub despite the nonsense in the above article. In this very thread Paul and I have posted a half dozen links from that time, showing who was actually doing the attacking. Now fuck off, shill.
"Today's fascism, censorship, anti-speech activities and morality crusades come solely and exclusively from the authoritarian left."
You can't think of aaannnyyy morality crusades from cultural conservatives? None? They are full-on fascists about abortion.
Does that help prime the pump? No? Still nothing?
How about banning books from libraries. You know, classic anti-speech activity. I'd tell you to read a goid book about it called Fahrenheit 451, but it's often banned. And we're not talking about curriculum, so just put your fake talking point away. We're talking about removing non-curriculum books from libraries. Classic anti-speech activity, brought to you by cultural conservatives.
Still nothing? You can't think of any instances of cultural conservatives trying to use government force to restrain liberty?
When a group spends years and millions of lobbying dollars to try to make something happen, only a complete moron or a shameless extremist would try to pretend they didn't have any impact.
Fuck off, shameless extremist. And take your extremist feminist allies with you.
“…. but it’s often banned.”
How does that work? Does that mean it’s “sometimes” available?
Then it isn’t “banned”.
Depends on the school district. This is hard for some to wrap their brains around, but most issues aren't binary.
Are you using the word 'banned' to replace 'not available in the school library but widely available otherwise, including in public libraries, in stores, and online'?
Because, if so, we just want to let you know that's not what 'banned' means.
Yes. Would you prefer I said "banned in schools"?
Going into school libraries and removing books, forbidding books from being in school libraries, or any other coercive dictate is banning. I know you folks like to narrow definitions when it suits you (like banning books or acknowledging homosexuality exists) and broaden them when you want to make unrelated things seem dangerous (like CRT), but doesn't that level of dishonesty get exhausting?
But I did notice that you ignored the main point that cultural conservatives are as guilty of moralistic crusades against individual liberty (often with less rational bases) as the lunatic left.
Your skill at avoiding the issue even got a ten from the Russian judge. World class!
No, I get it. If something isn’t available in the specific place you want it to be, and for free, that makes you a victim of “cultural conservatives” or something.
Everything Is So Terrible And Unfair! Boo hoo. I think that addresses your “main point”.
“I am on the side of liberty.” Lol. What a doosh.
Removing books that are already in a library isn't a problem? Winniwing down available sources of information so that fewer ideas are available to students isn't a problem? Preventing the inclusion of specific books isn't a problem?
Your definition of "banned" is so narrow as to be irrelevant. If you are trying to prevent student access to books through legislation or government action, you are banning them. The fact that they are available somewhere else un the world isn't any mitigation.
"You can't think of aaannnyyy morality crusades from cultural conservatives? None?"
Name one conservative morality crusade in the last 20 years that worked, Shrike.
Nothing, huh.
Now name one leftist morality crusade in the last 20 years that failed.
I'll wait.
Now explain how powerless windbags deserve to be blamed and the actual villains ignored.
"They are full-on fascists about abortion.
Remind me again of the Nazi's abortion policies. I can't remember a Nazi politician that wasn't pro-choice.
Say, and wasn't Aktion T4 cribbed from Planned Parenthood eugenics pamphlets?
You probably don't want to bring up the fascists when you're shilling for your baby abattoirs, because you know, history.
"How about banning books from libraries"
How about burning books? That awful Dr. Seuss and TinTin.
You lefties have been busy little Beavers with your bonfires lately, Shrike.
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-school-board-regrets-burning-books-in-the-name-of-reconciliation-as-part-of-educational-program-1.5580647
Still nothing? You can't think of any instances of lefties trying to use government force to restrain liberty?
Like the White House requesting deplatforming?
Or last year's military purge?
Or locking up J6 protesters illegally without charges for months?
Or censoring newspapers over Hunter's laptop?
Still nothing?
So fuck off, Shrike, you shameless extremist. And take your two dozen sockpuppets with you.
"Name one conservative morality crusade in the last 20 years that worked"
Anti-abortion legislation. It"s already bad and getting worse.
"Remind me again of the Nazi's abortion policies."
I have no idea. But that sort of argument (bad people something something, so you're wrong) is as dishonest as it gets. If you can't dispute the merits, your position is a loser.
"How about burning books? That awful Dr. Seuss and TinTin.
You lefties have been busy little Beavers with your bonfires lately"
Unlike you, I don't change my opinion based on who is making the argument. Whether left or right, banning books is a bad thing. But you do you, Captain Weathervane.
"You can't think of any instances of lefties trying to use government force to restrain liberty?"
I absolutely can. The far right and the far left are the pro-authoritarian forces in America. Pretending it's only one or the other is telling a lie.
You keep making the mistake of thinking I'm a partisan hack like you. On the contrary, I don't think that anyone is always right or always wrong.
I believe that adults should be able to choose their own beliefs and lifestyles as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. That means I am 100% certain to encounter people who belueve things that I don't like.
And that's OK. It's more than OK, it's great.
Liberty for all means you have to accept that other people will make different choices than you. Grow up and deal with it.
I'd like to direct you to The People vs. Larry Flint.
The right can't find their own dicks to whack off when it comes to doing anything as effectual as what the Obama administration and the current Vice President did to backpage and porn sites.
So an "it's no big deal because their anti-liberty agenda hasn't been effective" (a debatable point, but we'll leave it for now) argument with a side of whatabiutism and a "the other guys are the real problem" garnish on top?
I wonder why people would consider cultural conservatives dishonest? If you are arguing that cultural conservatives aren't constantly warring against pornography, prostitution, and the legalization of drugs and gambling, you are being transparently dishonest.
The fact that the radical right sometimes ends up allied with the lunatic left just shows that both fringes embrace authoritatianism and government force. The extremes should never be allowed to dictate to the majority in the middle.
I started adult webcamming on Cam4 many years ago before it allowed tipping. It used to be easy and not require any verification. Now, I have to upload my ID to be verified as a commercial performer if I want my cam listed so that people can find me. It's an annoying inconvenience, because my webcam doesn't take a detailed enough picture of my ID for it to pass the verification process.
High res cameras are pretty cheap these days.
The alternative is that they wouldn't be able to confirm that the content provider was legitimate. Plus it assures accountibilty for those who would want to break the law.
I oppose unnecessary regulations and licensing by the government, but this isn't that. Neither the "unnecessary" part or the "government" part.
So the bottom line is, they always lose in the long run. They see the direction things are taking, and try to slow them down. So despite temporary setbacks, I don't think we've anything to fear from them; just be patient.
I see it as a larger problem of extremists who are using the power of the courts and government to chill speech and interfere with legal business activity.
Things that are already illegal would remain illegal regardless of whether legal and legitimate businesses are hindered by moralistic crusaders from the left and right.
If anything, the counterculture started ramping up the sexual content just to bother Morality in Media types.
https://twitter.com/emeriticus/status/1512789940152774668?t=wIIuVp7oQuDHCbMI19VUZA&s=19
The FBI tried to entrap Americans while the organizers of the most destructive riots in recent history bought themselves mansions. None of this would have been possible without the help of the media, which lied about the Whitmer abduction plot and the "mostly peaceful" BLM riots.
But you should definitely trust the media about intervening in Ukraine. Their record has been solid so far.
The Puritans are taking control and it's not from the side we thought they'd be coming from.
It's exactly from the side I thought it would be coming from.
Build your own streaming platform, backbone provider and payment processing empire.
That can't be searched. If just anybody can log onto your platform and search for "male gaze porn", "exploitation porn", or anything that remotely resembles sex trafficking or isn't empowering to women, woe is your home-built streaming platform, backbone provider, and payment processing empire.
Agreeing with mad casual hurts my brain a little, but he is absolutely right.
The goal of the morality police is to make any fictional portrayal of an illegal thing as punishable as the illegal thing itself. To take the smallest possibility of illegality and present it as the norm. To make complex issues seem simple by ignoring any nuance.
It is a typical ploy of the fringes, whether the topic is election fraud, income inequality, porn, prostitution, drugs, gambling, immigration, law enforcement, taxation, abortion, education or any other emotional issue where the facts don't support extremist beliefs.
A proliferation of incest porn?
To the point that it drowns everything else.lut and is a good illustration of why Millennials and Zoomers suck?
Meh it's one of the few genres that bothers with a plot these days.
Blame Covid contactless delivery from keeping the pizza guy from getting any.
I don't watch porn for long enough for the plot to matter.
It's like everyone is from the Appalachian's these days.
In Appalachia and Alabama, it is real (allegedly!). In porn, it is fake.
That's the difference between criminal activity and legal activity. Hint: the fake stuff isn't illegal.
Although I don't see the justification of banning consenting adults from sleeping with their adult cousins or siblings or whatever. It's disturbing in my personal worldview, but so are a lot of legal things. And unlike cultural conservatives, I don't think my distaste for it is relevant, since it doesn't impact anyone other than the participants.
Where did you get the idea I cared about who adults fuck?
Or everyone has always secretly wanted to bang their sister.
I don't have a sister, so I wouldn't know.
It is pretty weird how much incest (or step-incest) porn there is.
Sex, money, and the future of online free speech
It's interesting to me how generally quiet Reason has been in regards to online free speech-- even sometimes hostile to people who have raised issues with it because their issues were perceived to come into conflict with the right of Silicon Valley to moderate in good faith... and suddenly a sex worker gets demonetized and *wham* the future of online free speech is imperiled. And... imperiled by non-government actors and private groups which... Reason specifically claimed previously "wasn't censorship" because it wasn't a first amendment actionable issue.
From where I stand, the worst thing that could happen for ENB would be for those of us who've been sounding the online free speech alarm for several years now would be to agree with the premise of this article.
That bastion of right-wing, Tory party journalism, The Guardian on the evils of Pornhub.
Riiight, it's Ronald Reagan who's responsible.
The pro-porn aficionados like ENB blame the right for banning porn, while the anti-porn zealots blame the right for not banning porn.
Meanwhile Dworkin smiles.
Re: "it's 1992 for our Reasonistas"
I can't share my image publicly *and* prevent 'pirates' from sharing it with their peers! Ban P2P!
Hey, what about us pro-porn aficionados who blame the government for banning porn? Are we just fluffers to you?
Ooh YES! What a LONG satisfying article! Well before the climax, though, I found myself asking, “Has she finished yet?”
Vice, that GOP stronghold of thought and public commentary.
Yes, revenge porn and unconsentual images are something that should be illegal.
The vast majority of pornography is not that.
Should we outlaw religion because the Catholic Church runs an international pedophile ring?
People doing illegal things does not justify banning legal things. Criminal behavior should be prosecuted, but generalizing it beyond the criminals is hyperbole.
Unless you want to assume that all Republicans are pedophiles because of Matt Gaetz. Or all anti-abortion Republicans are hypocrites because of Tim Murphy. Or that the Republican definiton of family values includes adultery with underlings because of Michael Duvall.
A group isn't implicated when a member does wrong. That individual is.
You are missing the point. These are not exactly right-leaning sources.
More from Tory mouthpiece, the Guardian.
That damned Moral Majority is at it again!
In fairness to Pornhub, that's a damn hard problem.
You can either have user-uploaded content, or you can (theoretically) have semi-effective site policing of hosted content. You can't have both. (And even with the latter, it would probably still be trivial to slip inappropriate things through - change the name and slap a different intro on it and it would be impossible to equate it with the originally prohibited film by automation, and a person might catch it if the banned list is short enough they can remember all of them).
(Okay, there's a few more steps to fool all AI, but fooling the AI isn't terribly hard if that's your goal).
father-daughter "purity balls."
I DON'T like the sound of that. And what about mother-son "purity balls"?
Dr. Oedipus approves. (And wants to watch)
“What are you doing stepbro?”
Look up "quadroon balls" as the precursors to all that.
I knew you were old Hank, but wow.
So, as to those articles from the Guardian and Vice...are their charges true or made up? Is the objection to them that they invented facts, or would it be wrong in any case for them to be concerned about the issue at all?
*If* they've found violations of the non-aggression principle, then that would be a triumph of libertarianism - if they're making stuff up, it would be the reverse.
The people responsible for uploading any truly abusive material should be prosecuted. In addition to whatever else they did, they also necessarily lied to Pornhub about the contents and/or provenance of the video. What's Pornhub supposed to do? Require a polygraph before allowing an upload?
Go after the people who actually violated the NAP, not the webhost who inadvertantly ended up hosting it without any reasonable way of knowing it was illegal.
Columns like this are why I believe "reason" is really a libterd front -- sex is all-important to libterds. Nothing must interfere with a libterd getting off, no matter where, when, or into what.
BTW -- "Kristof fleshes out" -- really?
"sex is all-important to libterds"
Sex is really important to humans, period. Sex is one of the most important things to humans. It isn't just a liberal thing.
https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1512813779117035529?t=Gu2IsrIAgZUw8DHeCbpi-A&s=19
Nazi Germany's former ally Japan has removed its official neo-Nazi designation for Ukraine's neo-Nazi Azov militia, because the fascist gang plays such an important role in Ukraine's government
Japan is again helping Nazis. What could possibly go wrong!
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-shocks-greek-parliament-neo-nazi-azov-battalion-video
Former Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis’ MeRA25 party said the event turned into a “Nazi fiesta. The Greek Reporter said a government spokesman admitted the mistake but then used it to smear SYRIZA as Russian apologists:
“The socialist KINAL party issued a statement asking why Greek lawmakers had not been informed about the video intervention of an Azov Battalion member and called on the president of the Greek Parliament to bear responsibility.
Government spokesperson Giannis Oikonomou said the inclusion of the Azov Battalion message was ‘incorrect and inappropriate.’ However, he did not say who should be held responsible for this.
Oikonomou, nevertheless, slammed SYRIZA for allegedly ‘using that mistake… to justify the Russian invasion. … It is time for a clear answer: are they on the side of the Ukrainians, who are fighting for their freedom, or [on the side of] Putin’s invaders?’ he said.”
I have no idea what the story on this one is
https://twitter.com/ElectionWiz/status/1512890059678269446?t=_gTjCX_gmIEEDRO7PFoXhw&s=19
BREAKING: Pakistan’s PM Imran Khan LOSES no-confidence vote and will be removed from office.
"Worthwhile Canadian initiative"?
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1512655212833492995?t=KKVnSRNfZNSDHynLzJzmIQ&s=19
In 2014, the nonpartisan GAO published a 72-page report warning about child predators in public schools, recommending that administrators monitor teachers for "grooming behaviors" that could lead to "sexual misconduct" and "sexual abuse."
It's amazing that, in 2014, CNN knew Disney that had a "child sex predator" problem and the GAO knew that public schools had a "groomer" problem—and now we're supposed to believe that both are "QAnon conspiracy theories."
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It's possible that the only ridiculous/false thing Qanon believed is that there were people in the government who would actually do anything to stop globalist totalitarian evil...
https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/04/cleveland-clinic-refuses-kidney-transplant-for-nine-year-old-because-his-father-isnt-vaccinated-video/
If you like your death squad, you can keep your death squad. We'll send more if you like. Take a couple for the kids. Why not?
https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1512898046748762116?t=yH3tb_N5SX3sHZHaXPRqxQ&s=19
There’s so many crazy fucked up things happening in this video. Aside from hitting her kid and continuing… why is there a stripper pole next to the crib
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why is there a stripper pole next to the crib
Are you saying just because a woman is a mother she can't feel sexy in her own home? - ENB
If you don't want to see porn online, why do you go online?
https://twitter.com/meatballsubzero/status/1512767113550729216?t=EZH5AyjGtYxquThbZd4chw&s=19
Western journalists photographed the serial number of Tochka-U that exploded at the train station in Kramatorsk. This serial number allegedly belong to the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
@RealScottRitter
More evidence of Ukrainian fakery:
The serno of this Tochka-U, which hit the settlement of Alchevsk, LPR on February 2, 2015 IS identical to that of the Kramatorsk Tochka except for 2 digits: 9M79-1 Sh91565 and 9M79-1 Sh91579. This doesn't happen in two different armies.
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Last I heard, Pornhub still has lots of videos. Most of what they took down was copyrighted stuff posted illegally.
We'll probably end up with some version of the Korea-style censorship, where you can watch what you want but you need to enter your credit card info to prove you're an adult. Because nothing screams "safer internet" like forking over your credit card number....
Are we so sure having a credit card is proof of adulthood? (I didn't have one as a young adult, but it would not surprise me to learn some 16+ yos have one).
Hey, a kid can just grab their parent's credit card. Obviously that means that we should use Social Security numbers to verify. I mean, what could possibly go wrong? And isn't the potential for identity theft worth keeping little Johnny from seeing naked titties without his parents knowing?
The unannounced disappearing of so many videos was "a huge cultural loss," says Ashley, a transgender sex worker and civil rights activist with a robust presence on social media and in offline organizing.
Some cultures deserve to be lost.
And who decides what isn't worthy?
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1512769817731907585?t=gl5wJFZuRJU2WP5aIHayHA&s=19
The U.S. is watching with dismay as several allied African military leaders—including officers with extensive American schooling—overthrow civilian governments and seize power
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Aww, is Hank the syphilitic Soviet upset someone spoke ill of his masters?
(Not worth unmuting to check)
Apparently not. Or maybe. But who knows.
Damn mute throws off the threading!
My bad.
Excellent reporting, even if ENB exaggerates. On a tip from Michael Grossberg I took advantage of the moral panic to post on Tumblr explicit images of a bumblebee having enthusiastic sexual contact with some passionfruit flowers. Bestiality in Alabama & Tennessee law is intercourse between members of admittedly different species but the same Animal Kingdom. What the underage bumblebee, bristles literally gleaming with fresh pollen, was doing to the eagerly receptive flower crossed the line between Kingdoms. So why am I not burned at the stake?
The bee isn't having sex with the flower no matter what your pappy told you. Unless a drone protrudes his endophallus and inserts a sperm packet in the flower's pistil, they're not humping.
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Unless a drone protrudes his endophallus and inserts a sperm packet in the flower's pistil, they're not humping.
Even then, there's a good faith argument is that they aren't. And if it's not a good faith argument then I don't understand why Hank so upset about why he can't blow goats.
But bees do live kind of a gay lifestyle. So many flowers.
https://twitter.com/bethanyshondark/status/1512503822433804292?t=9irboSPK73rLMjzNGWTtCw&s=19
There’s been a lot of talk about grooming vs. not grooming. But the reality is telling children to keep secrets from their parents is textbook grooming behavior. And even if these teachers aren’t actually grooming children, they’re normalizing grooming behavior for kids.
“Hey kiddo. Come into this room to derobe. Don’t tell your parents what happens here and neither will I.” THIS IS BAD AND EVEN IF IT IS NOT GROOMING, YOU ARE PRIMING A KID FOR ABUSE.
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Yup. Again, the only reason there should be a "Don't tell your parents about this..." is if there's a, potentially unspoken "until we can contact the police." clause at the end. Even then only for the 5-10 min. window it takes to actually make the phone call and automatically repealed on criminal/judicial authority once the cops show up. Every other case of systemic child abuse, Scouts, the Church, sex trafficking/CP rings, women's gymnasti, er, sorry, sports... this is how it is treated. The school is not a law enforcement, investigative, or judicial body. Their role ends as soon as they believe a crime has been committed.
Sounds right. There are certainly extreme cases where something like that would be appropriate. But the general policy should not be based on treating every child as if they are from some awful, criminally abusive home situation.
And we still might get there...
https://twitter.com/ChristinaPushaw/status/1512798777253539852?t=w3HcT8nmahOE-2185F2aRg&s=19
To the Americans who say stuff like: “compared to the REAL lockdown in Shanghai, we never had lockdowns! What were you ever complaining about?”
If none of us ever complained about progressive infringements on our rights and civil liberties, we would be like Shanghai now too.
To be clear, Nardz was wrong about Russia every step of the day, so he likely gets his worldview from some bought-and-paid for Russian propaganda outlets (likely one of the Trump-affiliated ones).
So believe the opposite of everything he says and you should be good.
Spoiler alert: the target in the link wasn't even Andy Ngo
https://twitter.com/awstar11/status/1512813394243383299?t=TFTWmz-zstAPFdNZKGB26Q&s=19
Just a reminder that if politics were reversed, this would be called "Asian hate," "Homophobic," and "white supremacy"
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"All rook arike" to great white leftist saviors.
https://twitter.com/ChristinaPushaw/status/1512497233849110529?t=jpkO_UKGKuHQcromjIniwA&s=19
This is 2nd grade (7-8 year olds!) public school curriculum in New Jersey. It’s not optional. Parents: do you find this appropriate?
And this is the New Jersey public school curriculum for 5th grade. Notice how the discussion of pregnancy doesn’t mention “women,” just “someone with a uterus.” There are no female or male reproductive systems, but “system 1” and “system 2.” Parents are you ok with this?
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There are no female or male reproductive systems, but “system 1” and “system 2.”
ROFLMAO!
*grabs ribs in pained enjoyment of unwavering "system 1" privilege*
Holy shit. That is literally what and exactly what distinguishes male and female.
Weren't sex and gender supposed to be different concepts or something? The amount of internal inconsistency in all the trans weirdness is really something.
https://twitter.com/MythinformedMKE/status/1512924023235268611?t=AoE0xpYyMBniFog-Z-94oQ&s=19
The “intellectuals” want to normalize grooming. From the TEDx stage to the k-12 classrooms.
Parents stay involved and vigilant.
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Yeah, this agenda has been in motion for quite some time.
They even have terms for non-offending paedophiles...that should be a hint as to their direction.
Pedophiles are perhaps the most hated members of Western society. A serious liberal (or libertarian) would temper their disgust at pedophilia with some measure of concern for how these human beings are treated by society (such as when they're brutalized in American prisons). Empathy is not a limited resource.
And scholarship is under no obligation to ignore pedophilia as a social phenomenon. Scholars study literally everything. One of my most esteemed Western civ. professors wrote whole books about Greek pederasty.
All of this is beside the point of this little libtoks tactic, which is implementing the cherry picking fallacy. I could find unlimited tiktoks of Trump scum behaving like cousin-fucking redneck sociopaths, but I don't have a FOX News willing to broadcast it and paint half the country with it.
It is reasonable to feel compassion for criminals; it is unreasonable to feel empathy for them. If you don't understand the difference, I suggest you learn about it.
And taxpayers are under no obligation to fund such scholarship.
The desire to normalize the sexualization of children is clearly widespread among progressives: they are pushing this into school curricula, libraries, and entertainment.
And what you call "cherry picking fallacy" is standard critical theory: instead of boring people with statistics, you make them understand a problem by examples. Don't complain when conservatives use the same kind of discourse and strategy as progressives do.
There's pornography on the internet? What are we all doing here?
Let's get a Constitutional Amendment going!
It worked so well for Prohibition.
There's an article that Reason *mentions next to this one*:
https://reason.com/2022/02/18/european-leaders-find-backdoor-way-to-ban-porn-on-social-media/
Yeah, very conservative, those Europeans.
Yawn. You need to be 21 to buy and if you are under age 27 must also produce an ID to buy cigarettes from private companies. in the USA. Many stores do the same for adult mags. Pornhub and other similar sites are lucky they were able to institute similar verification measures before being sued for child porn being dumped on their site. Anyone thinks you can have a sex free internet is off their rocker.
Listening to ENB, you'd swear fetish pornographers, strip club owners, sex tourists, BDSM dungeoneers, cam girls, and pro-abortion activists form the backbone of moral civilization.
I watched the A&E documentary series about Playboy. A lot of women who went to the mansion, either as Playmates, Playboy employees, or guests, have said that a lot of women were drugged and forced into having sex with Hef and/or his male guests. Most were filmed, either with cameras in plain-sight or hidden.
In many cases, edited versions of films wound up on Playboy's cable channel or for sale.
Are there sex workers who get into the business voluntarily and can decline work? Yes. But how do we verify that?
Forget the question of when sex work is or isn't prostitution. Forcing someone to perform sex work is a form of slavery, just as locking people in a manufacturing plant and forcing them to work is a form of slavery.
Did they file charges? If not, then this is b.s.
In theory we should all allow adults to consent to whatever they want and leave them alone. In practice, especially when it comes to sex, it ain't gonna happen. Sex is the most powerful force in the world behind the desire to breathe and eat and sleep. It is WHY we're all here. Getting people to see sex as work is next to impossible in most cases. So good luck trying to get millions of people to agree on what is or isn't acceptable on the biggest bulletin board ever invented, the Web. Truth be told, sex workers are fighting a futile battle. Even if you say the millions who consume porn but then act like puritans are hypocrites, how is that going to win any battles? All it's going to do is make those who feel ashamed consuming it hide their activity more. Who is going to stand up for consensual sex work being filmed and shared on a platform children can access easily? What politician is going to win a national election on defending adult sex workers? Look at how many teachers who have been fired when it was revealed they were in porn or a nude photo of them got released. What is the incentive for any dispassionate person to take up the cause of sex workers? Traditional religious people AND feminists AND hardcore leftists don't like sex work -- but it shouldn't be surprising because sex is something that affects literally every person on Earth, even when they're not having it. When porn was confined to movie theaters and magazines, and prostitution was in your red light district, it was easy for most people to tolerate these activities. But once it all moved online, it became part of the larger culture and essentially made hypocrites out of millions who claim it concerns them, then watch it when the wife is not around. You can't have a rational discussion around it publicly because too many people are angry at their porn addicted spouses, or angry at how porn ruined their own lives. I'd tell sex workers to forget trying to win a culture war or even legal war over this and just find a way to work that doesn't involve asking millions to support you online. I understand they believe they are the greatest anti-trafficking advocates, but good luck getting the millions who don't work selling sex to agree to that. The Web is moving toward more, not less censorship, because it's become THE WAY people communicate. And what cam girl has the legal resources to fight for her rights?
The problem here is the "we". Who is this "we"? Attitudes towards sex vary greatly across the country and across different groups. Part of a free society is that if people want to live in Puritan communities, they can, and that if other people want to live surrounded by brothels, they can do that too.
The federal government should butt out of this. Obscenity, sex work, etc. should be decided at the state level. And our states should be cut down in size until they are much smaller and more homogeneous.
This is a classic case when an industry is tainted by social disfavor, so it is not legitimized by the authorities, so it develops black-market problems, and those problems in turn serve as evidence for the depravity of the industry. I want to say there's a human centipede metaphor in there.
Tony, despite your verbal acrobatics ("social disfavor", "the authorities", etc.) this is just progressives doing what progressives do.
No I'm pretty sure this one is on the Christ freaks.
The massive crackdown on online sex sites started under Obama. Progressives created the moral panic surrounding exploitation of women.
Social conservatives are happy to go along with it, of course, but they are in such a small minority that they can't pass this crap by themselves.
Using a commercial video site as a "cultural archive" is so stupid, it is absurd.
Less than 100 years ago, in the USA, it was illegal for men to be topless on a beach in the summertime. It was considered obscene by many Americans.
More recently at one time it was considered “obscene” to show Elvis Presley lower than his belt line or women wearing bikinis.
Even the U.S. Supreme Court publicly admitted that they can’t define obscenity or pornographic. One high court Justice simply said “I know it when I see it”. If the greatest legal minds of a U.S. Supreme Court can’t define it, think of how lower level censors define obscenity - the local sheriff, school principal or even J. Edgar Hoover (former FBI Director) that illegally punished legal First Amendment activity. All of these authoritarian minded officials illegally punishing legal activity.
America could ignore the wisdom of James Madison and become more like Saudi Arabia or the Taliban - women could wear berkas and men should no longer be able to go topless on our beaches. How do we police something that can’t even be defined by the U.S. Supreme Court?
These absurd discussions are the result of the incorporation of the 1A, something that was done by SCOTUS in 1931 and that isn't found in the Constitution. All the Constitution says is that Congress shall make now law abridging the right to free speech.
In a free society, what is obscenity varies greatly across the country and is properly decided by voters in local elections, and decisions about whether people are violating the standard will be made by local judges, and that's the end of it.
Well, I think that this industry is really money-making, so it's profitable to work in this field, and people won't stop getting into it. Of course, there are some platforms like xlovecam where girls do everything as they want, so I think it's a better option that porn websites, and it's easier to find someone there than discover the perfect porn video, to be honest.
For an amazingly long article with a good number of "alleged" quotes the article is amazinly short in providing source links.
If it was a matter of space, I would taken out some words and replaced them with some links.
Not saying any of the stuff was made up or taken out of context, just suggesting what I would have done had I written the tomb.