Here Is What Ketanji Brown Jackson Said in the Harvard Law Review Article That Josh Hawley Found 'Alarming'
The Supreme Court nominee raised serious constitutional concerns about laws that punish sex offenders after they complete their sentences.

Sen. Josh Hawley (R–Mo.) last week presented a highly misleading summary of Supreme Court nominee Kentanji Brown Jackson's sentencing practices in child pornography cases. Hawley claimed that Jackson, whose confirmation hearing began today, had shown an "alarming pattern" of "sentencing leniency for sex criminals" who are "preying on children." But the cases he cited actually involved defendants convicted of possessing or sharing child pornography rather than defendants convicted of sexually abusing children. Furthermore, Jackson's downward departures from the penalties recommended by federal sentencing guidelines are the norm among federal judges, who have long criticized those penalties as excessive—with good reason.
To reinforce his portrait of Jackson as soft on "child predators," Hawley also cited a 1996 Harvard Law Review article that she wrote when she was in law school. His characterization of that article, which was unsigned but subsequently appeared on Jackson's lists of her publications, is just as demagogic and acontextual as his description of her sentencing decisions.
"As far back as her time in law school," Hawley tweeted, "Judge Jackson has questioned making convicts register as sex offenders—saying it leads to 'stigmatization and ostracism.' She's suggested public policy is driven by a 'climate of fear, hatred & revenge' against sex offenders." He added that "Judge Jackson has also questioned sending dangerous sex offenders to civil commitment."
Hawley said the Harvard Law Review article showed that Jackson has been "letting child porn offenders off the hook for their appalling crimes" and "advocating for it since law school." Here, again, Hawley ignores the crucial distinction between people who produce child pornography, which necessarily entails abuse of children, and people who merely look at the resulting images. He also equates sending them to prison for, say, five years rather than 15 with "letting [them] off the hook." According to Hawley, the 1996 article is part of "an alarming pattern," exemplifying "a record that endangers our children."
Hawley implies that anyone who questions the highly dubious rationale for publicly accessible sex offender registries or the equally problematic justification for indefinite civil commitment of sex offenders must be blind to the damage done by sexual abuse of children. In his view, any policy that purports to protect children is obviously good, regardless of whether it works as advertised or whether it is consistent with the Constitution. He therefore has no patience with the concerns that Jackson raised about laws that impose restrictions on people convicted of sex offenses—a very broad category that is not limited to "child predators"—long after they have completed their sentences.
Jackson's Harvard Law Review article focuses on the legally crucial distinction between "prevention" and "punishment" in the context of policies aimed at sex offenders. Broadly speaking, policies that courts deem preventive are subject to undemanding standards and are likely to be upheld, while policies they deem punitive must comply with stricter constitutional limits, including due process requirements and the bans on double jeopardy, ex post facto laws, and "cruel and unusual" punishment.
Based on the limited number of cases addressing that distinction at the time, Jackson argued that courts were taking misguided approaches to the issue. "Courts have been unable to devise a consistent, coherent, and principled means of making this determination," she wrote.
In assessing the constitutionality of laws aimed at sex offenders, Jackson argued, courts should not focus on the intent of legislators, which may be indeterminate, disingenuous, or self-deceptive. She also thought it was a mistake to focus on the factors that the Supreme Court had said may indicate whether a statute is "penal or regulatory in character," such as the question of whether a law's punitive impact is "excessive" when weighed against its regulatory rationale. Instead, she said, courts should consider "the impact of sex offender statutes" and deem laws "punitive" when "they operate to deprive sex criminals of a legal right in a manner that primarily has retributive or general-deterrent effects."
Jackson also offered this warning: "In the current climate of fear, hatred, and revenge associated with the release of convicted sex criminals, courts must be especially attentive to legislative enactments that 'use public health and safety rhetoric to justify procedures that are, in essence, punishment and detention.'" Although that observation is consistent with the way debates about sex offender laws typically proceed, it clearly offended Hawley, possibly because he epitomizes the overheated, irrational attitude that Jackson was describing.
The year after Jackson's article appeared, the Supreme Court upheld a Kansas law authorizing indefinite detention of sex offenders who otherwise would have been released from prison. The Court deemed that system civil rather than criminal and appropriate for offenders who "suffer from a volitional impairment rendering them dangerous beyond their control."
The logic was puzzling. The state punishes people who commit sex crimes based on the assumption that they could and should have controlled themselves. But when it is time for them to be released after completing the punishment prescribed by law, the state says that was not actually true; now they must be locked up precisely because they can't control themselves.
If the government decided to retroactively increase an offender's penalty, it would be clearly unconstitutional, amounting to double jeopardy or an ex post facto law. The trick is to cast continued confinement as treatment rather than punishment.
Notably, Jackson's analysis did not preclude that end run. "Commitment legislation must be examined carefully," she wrote, "for although it clearly sacrifices the offender's fundamental right to freedom, courts must determine whether its primary effect is treatment of the affected individual, or satisfaction of the societal interest in locking sex offenders up and throwing away the key." Under that standard, a civil commitment program in which "treatment" is rarely or never successful enough to allow a detainee's release might be deemed punishment by another name. But a program with a better track record might pass constitutional muster.
Seven years after Jackson published her Harvard Law Review article, the Supreme Court upheld the retroactive application of Alaska's sex offender registration requirements. Because that system was "nonpunitive," the Court said, it did not violate the constitutional ban on ex post facto laws.
It is fair to infer from Jackson's article that she might have disagreed with that conclusion. "Community notification subjects ex-convicts to stigmatization and ostracism, and puts them at the mercy of a public that is outraged by sex crimes," she noted. As JoAnn Wypijewski points out in The Nation, registration requirements and related restrictions today impose many additional burdens on many more people:
In the intervening years, many more people who had completed their sentences had been forced to register as sex offenders with local police and have their faces, names, aliases, addresses, workplaces, etc. published on the Internet. Regimens controlling their freedom to move about, to work, get an education, reside in their own homes or with their own families—simply to live—had grown more byzantine, and by 2006 applied to certain juveniles 14 or older at the time of the offense. Courts had, on the whole, taken limited interest in the human impact of these restrictions…
In 1996, state and DC registries listed 185,393 names; the last count, in 2018, was 912,643. There may be overcounts, and registry rules vary from place to place, but this picture is uncontested: a great mass of people who've already "paid their debt to society" reporting to law enforcement, on pain of criminal penalty, sometimes every three months, and every time they travel, or move, or change jobs; every time they dye their hair, or grow a beard, or get a tattoo or a new car or a different parking space; often prevented from taking their children to school, or watching them play sports; forced sometimes to take and pay for lie detector tests, sometimes penile plethysmographs; forced to disclose their status to potential employers, sometimes to deliverymen, in some places to anyone who sees their driver's license stamped SEX OFFENDER—for 10 years, 25 years, life. People across the ideological spectrum call them predators. Registrants and their families speak of "social death." The law says this isn't punitive. All of which makes Jackson's youthful writing piercingly relevant.
The standard that Jackson recommended in 1996 suggests that the "nonpunitive" description of these rules should not be taken at face value. If "a community notification statute deprives the offender of his right to mobility or bodily integrity, and if it makes him the 'target of widespread community rejection, antipathy, and scorn' in a manner that is more retributive than rehabilitative," she said, "then it should be considered 'punishment.'"
Although Hawley suggests such concerns reflect an "alarming" disregard for the welfare of children, registries include many people who have never victimized children or committed contact offenses of any kind. Furthermore, the policy is based on the myth that recidivism rates among sex offenders are "frightening and high," as Justice Anthony Kennedy famously declared, when in fact they are relatively low and fall steadily with age. And there is little evidence that registries actually protect children or anyone else.
While publicly accessible registries "may have helped parents rest easier," the Detroit Free Press noted in 2015, "there is no evidence that they stopped sexual predators." There was never much reason to think they would, especially since the vast majority of sexual assaults on minors are committed by people without prior convictions who know their victims well, as opposed to strangers who might be flagged by an online database.
Reviewing the evidence in a 2016 National Affairs article, Eli Lehrer found that "virtually no well-controlled study shows any quantifiable benefit from the practice of notifying communities of sex offenders living in their midst." While "the practice of requiring sex offenders to register with law-enforcement officials is effective," he concluded, "notifying the public of sex offenders…is ineffective and should be limited if not eliminated."
In a 2017 report, the Justice Department noted that there is "no empirical support for the effectiveness of residence restrictions." It added that the policy may cause "a number of negative unintended consequences" that "aggravate rather than mitigate offender risk."
Given the lack of evidence that registration and its attendant restrictions actually promote public safety, it is hard to see how their preventive benefits can outweigh their punitive effects. In 2016, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit concluded that they do not. The unanimous three-judge panel ruled that Michigan's Sex Offender Registration Act was primarily punitive, meaning its requirements could not be imposed retroactively.
As Wypijewski notes, that decision is especially striking because it was written by Judge Alice Batchelder, "a conservative jurist" appointed to the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Ohio by Ronald Reagan and to the 6th Circuit by George H.W. Bush. The supreme courts of several states, including Alaska, New Hampshire, and Pennsylvania, have reached conclusions regarding sex offender registries similar to the 6th Circuit's, deeming these schemes punitive rather than regulatory.
Hawley wants us to believe that Jackson's reservations about sex offender registries mark her as weirdly tolerant of "sex criminals" who "are preying on children." Maybe all these judges are likewise soft on "child predators." Or maybe Hawley, for crass political reasons, is elevating emotion above logic and deliberately obscuring important constitutional issues.
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Like Mexican immigrants and Ukrainian refugees, convicted sex offenders tend to be willing to work for low wages. That's why we Koch / Reason libertarians want to reintegrate them into society ASAP.
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I have it on good authority that Dahmer was actually a budget hawk, and voted Republican on that premise. Didn’t you read his plan for balancing the federal budget? Far better than Gacy’s.
And restore them back into the communities where they preyed upon.
You are comparing Mexican immigrants and Ukrainian refugees to sex offenders? LOL, what a dildonian... Yeesh.
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The continuing mystery that is Josh Hawley.
The horror of him citing evidence. Absolute shit show right brandy.
Being right is hardly a mystery.
He’s definitely a racist too.
“Some have asked, why did I raise these questions ahead of the hearing?” Hawley said. “Why not wait until the hearing and spring them on Judge Jackson, as it were? And my answer to that is very simple.”
“I’m not interested in trapping Judge Jackson,” he said.
“I’m not interested in trying to play gotcha,” he continued. “I’m interested in her answers, because I found in our time together that she was enormously thoughtful and enormously accomplished and I suspect has a coherent view and explanation.”
Pure. Evil.
Haven't heard anything that reasonable from a politician in quite a while.
What a piece of shit, asking serious questions and expecting serious answers.
What's even crazier is that he cited every single example she had tried as a judge that involved sentencing pedophiles or possessors of child porn. He was doing the literal opposite of cherry-picking. He looked at every single case, and every single case was a downward departure.
And Jacob Sullum clapped!
Moreover, he's accurately pointing out broad judicial activism too. It's actually the opposite of what Sullum suggests, like she narrowly thought producers should serve full sentences and consumers or possessors should serve lesser sentences, well within the guidelines. No she thinks the law is broadly wrong and broadly defying it.
I agree with Sullum, the law is poorly conceived and poorly executed. I disagree with him in that the Judicial branch, especially SCOTUS, is the stupidest place to fix that or to allow activists to fix it.
And the fact is that a majority of federal judges sink below recommended minimums when sentencing non-distribution/non-production C.P. cases. Stop ignoring the whole truth for once. Why don't you just quit all the pretense and state what you honestly feel: Any sex offense that involves a child should be automatic death penalty. No need for registry, etc. Just line 'em up and fry 'em.
That's more honest and forthright than the crap in place today.
I mean, have we really sunk so low that a Senator simply doing their job is outrageous and hysteria inducing?
Whoda thunk it?
Pedophiles are the new trannies. Watch for it.
Indeed.
The sex offense registry should be abolished altogether anyways.
Hawley is just desperate to detract from his future, which will be sharing a cell with fellow insurrectionists like the QShaman.
>Thinks sex offender registry should be abolished
>Calls those at the Capitol Riot "insurrectionists"
Why twist the narrative? You have low standards.
Registry cannot be totally abolished, but it can be dialed back to the registry that was countenanced in Smith v. Doe where there are no disabilities and restraints attached to the law and updating consists of filling out a card once a year that's sent to the registrant via U.S.P.S. and returned the same way.
You have to register for the selective service if a male 18 or older. You have to register your firearms. You have to register your vehicle. Registries in and of themselves are NOT unconstitutional. What makes them punitive and thus unconstitutional is the byzantine code of disabilities and restraints such as residence, work, and presence restrictions. Publication on the internet is absolutely a form of public humiliation and puts a bull's eye on every registrant in the nation. Do you think vigilantes don't know how to plug an address into "Google Maps" and get a picture of your house and turn-by-turn directions to every registrant's house?
Brainwashed mystics are no more a mystery than bomb-throwing anarchists.
Neither are baby murdering pieces of shit.
>>possessing or sharing child pornography rather than ... sexually abusing children
is the act of childpron creation not sexual abuse?
Yes, but possessing or sharing child porn is not.
Consumers of a product don't influence a demand in the market?
One of the cases Hawley cited involved a man looking to transport and take pictures of his own 9 year old daughter.
> Consumers of a product don't influence a demand in the market?
I was going to say "obviously it does" but then on further thought, I'm honestly not certain. I strongly suspect most people who are willing to make child porn are willing to make it whether or not they are getting paid. Though, I also have absolutely no idea what the marginal production rate is for compensated vs: uncompensated child porn.
Payment isn't a requirement of a market. Even in a market of freely traded pictures collectors will seek out rare items which leads to the creation of more collectibles.
Then there's barter. Trading feelthy pictures is/was endemic on the `net.
I'm sure if one knows the dark web, one could find all the free child porn such a person would want and more.
Doing something that might, but doesn't necessarily lead to more child abuse isn't itself child abuse. I'm not saying child porn shouldn't be illegal. But it is not the same thing as actually having sex with a child and there is a reasonable discussion to be had on what an appropriate punishment is. Or do you think it isn't possible to impose too long of a sentence for simple possession of child porn?
Zeb, you raise some very astute questions. Yes, there is a huge difference between looking at a picture or video on your computer or phone in the privacy of your own home and fantasizing and going out and actually molesting someone's child. I seriously doubt that in EVERY case or even in MOST cases looking leads to acting.
Another thing, Zeb; the entire collection of images and videos should be charged as one single count of possession of child pornography. The practice of making each and every image a separate offense is just an act of vengeance and spite. Also, copying the images from the cache folder to a specific folder or to a flash drive should not be chargeable as "transporting". That's total bull. Now if the collector takes the thumb drive with him to work, etc., that's another story.
There is plenty of free legal adult porn to be found for free. I guess not everyone is purely motivated by free market.
Incidentally, my comment is also free.
Not quite, sharing a product for free can be a sign of giving into the demand of said product. Many principles still apply.
Whether one is selling and buying or sharing CP for free, that person is still involved in an illegal market where actual criminal acts towards children are committed. It is worth arresting everyone involved, even if the sentence should differ between the producers and consumers.
Viewers of commercial child pornography are definitely responsible for the abuse of the associated children. As the impetus for their abuse is commercial compensation. This also applies to content that is bartered for same.
This isn’t like drugs, where the mere production of them as goods doesn’t harm anyone. Production of child pornographers always harms the subjects. As Buttplug can attest from his experience destroying young children’s lives.
So sharing around the sexting photos and any home sex tapes of course wouldn't be abuse either? Why is revenge porn a crime then?
No, I wouldn't call that abuse. Perhaps abuse of reputation.
Well, it's still fucking bad, isn't it?
Yeah, of course it's bad. That doesn't mean that there is no punishment for it that is excessive.
One of the sentences well below what the guidelines recommended that she gave out was of a man who produced and shared CP of his own child. Which means that all of her bluster about there being a difference between "collectors" and "real" child predators is complete and total bullshit.
Of course it is. She probably sees pedophiles as victims. It’s the democrat way.
It is true the law makes no distinction between real images and cartoon images, which is bullshit.
And, despite being enacted in 1988 and only in the US, has no statute of limitations. I'm certain that, as a minor, I saw European porn with minors by American standards (or even just actresses not registered under Title 18 S2257). If I still owned it, the letter of the law says I possessed it.
That's bullshit.
Under US law only real images of real children count as child pornography.
That said, cartoon images can be deemed obscene. but with mere obscenity, simple possession is not a crime.
There’s a difference between humorous cartoons like ‘Peanuts orgy’ and actual child pornography. If none doesn’t know what that is, Google it. It comes right up, but I am NOT linking it here.
Superstition uses cartoon images to brainwash kiddies into believing that a Jesus existed 150 years before anyone dreamt him up, and proceeded to walk on water and raise the dead. Superstition does not handle competition very well... Look at what the mohammedans and christians say about each other.
So are you telling us it's never okay to use cartoon images to teach lessons? Even if your charges were true, no actual people were exploited in the making of such cartoons. Do you plan to have that same attitude to those who teach CRT to children that way?
And contrary to what you say, plenty of sources mention Jesus in the first-century. Scholars, even unbelieving ones, date all four gospels and Paul's letters (which also mention Jesus) to be no later than 100 A.D. Non-Christian sources such as Josephus and Tacitus also mention Jesus during the 1st century. Christianity did not arrive as a result of some conspiracy during the second half of the 2nd century A.D. If you're gonna write some anti-Christian (and Islamophobic) polemics, then don't do it with demonstrably false information. People will call you out for the liar you are.
Your bigotry is noted and reported, Hank. Shame on you for trying to equate actual crime with images where no one was actually abused.
He’s an anti religious bigot obsessed with aborting babies.
https://edition.cnn.com/2002/LAW/04/16/scotus.virtual.child.porn/
Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition
To date this ruling has NOT been overturned.
VIRTUAL child pornography is protected under the 1st Amendment.
PRODUCTION of child pornography makes one guilty of especially aggravated exploitation of a child. The one being filmed carrying out the abuse against the child is guilty of rape of a child, aggravated and especially aggravated rape of a child (depending on just how young the child being molested is.
Viewing child pornography, while morally repugnant on every conceivable level, is NOT the same as touching a child and should not be punished as harshly or even more harshly than an actual hands-on offense. Also, the entire collection should be consolidated into a single count of possession; not stacked charges for each and every image. That's not justice; that's pure-d revenge.
My understanding is that some of the criticism is weakly supported, yet some is serious. Is the issue that only the questionable criticism is being brought up here? Would not be surprised that some of the criticism is legitimate. Especially when they attack a small portion of it. Guess I need to read up on it.
She is black.
She is female.
That is all you need to know.
Up until now, that's pretty much all I did know. Oh, and she's "the first".
Not the first Black Supreme Court justice. Not the first female Supreme Court justice. She is not even the first Supreme Court justice from Harvard. Not even close. She might be the first Supreme Court justice from Washington D.C., however. Dunno.
According to the above-the-fold story in my local daily, she's "The First Black Female" justice. If she turns out to be a lesbian, we'll damn near have a unicorn.
But she'll have to explain a great deal to her husband.
The democrats, in their racism, and led by then senator Biden, filibustered the nomination of Janice Rogers Brown almost 20 years ago. Who has been both black and female since birth.
Watch Clarence Thomas show up in a dress with some shiny new pronouns and ruin their virtue signaling orgy.
That's actually why he's in the hospital. Rush gender re-assignment surgery.
He already wears a dress at work. A black one.
And she is a radical leftist.
That’s what really matters, everything else is just checking the boxes that they currently want to check.
This is like Ukraine and Russia. I cannot trust any of these stories.
I saw a news report this weekend attempting to put a rest to Ivermectin as a treatment for Covid. The article said absolutely not. Reading the linked source though, 250 placebo, 250 Ivermectin. 25 placebo to hospital and 42 ivermectin to hospital. Obviously ivermectin did not help. But reading further, 8 placebo died while only 2 with Ivermectin treatment died. All patients started with some co-morbidity. While the hospital admission numbers appear bad, the death numbers look promising. Huh, 4:1 reduction in deaths. Do more research and prescribe more of it in case that stat is correct. Most serious after effect to Ivermectin was diarrhea which is a symptom of Covid anyway. The media elites and politicians want us dead.
Probably the elites just don’t care if people live or die.
^
Ivermectin was never intended to treat people needing hospitalization. Like most anti viral it is intended at early stages to mitigate needing the hospital. The study you are referring to was on already hospitalized patients.
Here's the most recent Ivermectin study from Brazil showing that it definitely does work. It and twelve others are being ignored as hard as they possibly can be by the media.
Why? Because the ineffective Pfizer mRNA injection is the most profitable pharmaceutical product in all of human history by light years, while it costs less than $10 to treat 100 people with the off-patent, Nobel Prize-winning Ivermectin.
Read this study and remember that it's almost guaranteed that the man that wrote your article knew about it and the others but lied about it for money, and people will die because of men like him.
Ivermectin Prophylaxis Used for COVID-19: A Citywide, Prospective, Observational Study of 223,128 Subjects Using Propensity Score Matching (Brazil)
https://www.cureus.com/articles/82162-ivermectin-prophylaxis-used-for-covid-19-a-citywide-prospective-observational-study-of-223128-subjects-using-propensity-score-matching
Background
Ivermectin has demonstrated different mechanisms of action, coronavirus infection and COVID-19-related comorbidities.
Prophylaxis combined with the known safety profile of ivermectin
Study to evaluate the impact of regular ivermectin use on subsequent COVID-19 infection and mortality rates.
Prospective, July 2020 and December 2020
Using the entire population of Itajaí in the program, ivermectin was offered as an optional treatment to be taken for two consecutive days every 15 days at a dose of 0.2 mg/kg/day.
Study analysis consisted of comparing ivermectin users with non-users using cohorts
Results
223,128 citizens of Itajaí considered
159,561 included in the analysis
113,845 (71.3%) regular ivermectin users
45,716 (23.3%) non-users
Of these
4,311 ivermectin users were infected, (3.7% infection rate)
3,034 non-users (6.6% infection rate)
A 44% reduction in COVID-19 infection rate
Risk ratio (RR), 0.56
The regular use of ivermectin led to a 68% reduction in COVID-19 mortality
Deaths
25 (0.8%) deaths in the ivermectin group
79 (2.6%) among ivermectin non-users
RR, 0.32
p less than 0.0001
When adjusted for residual variables, reduction in mortality rate was 70%
There was a 56% reduction in hospitalization rate
44 in the ivermectin group
99 in non ivermectin users
After adjustment for residual variables, reduction in hospitalization rate was 67%
p less than 0.0001
Conclusion
In this large study, regular use of ivermectin as a prophylactic agent was associated with significantly reduced COVID-19 infection, hospitalization, and mortality rates.
You cannot trust what you seek to listen to because both the Gee-Oh-Pee urinanalysts and no-knock Dems are the same lying looter Kleptocracy. People who rob also lie.
You’re so repetitive and boring. You’re the kind of kook weirdo that makes libertarians look like a fringe movement. The best thing you can do for the libertarian party is to shut up.
Neither result is statistically significant at the 1% level.
The only issue is that she is not an evident televangelized brainwashee, so the mystical bigots will use every device to try and lynch her. It really is exactly that simple.
Are you describing SJW's who advocate CRT? At least televangelists have some good in them.
Hank, I’m agnostic, but reading your anti religious bullshit manages to piss me off. I would trust a televangelist more than I would ever trust you.
Hawley also cited a 1996 Harvard Law Review article that she wrote when she was in law school.
Hawley ought to know better. If there's one thing both sides can agree on in Supreme Court confirmation hearings, it's that what a nominee said or did in law school, or in college, or in high school has no bearing on their qualifications for office.
1996 was a long time ago.
The allegations are credible, though.
I've heard there's a college picture of her in black face.
She raped me when I was drunk at a party.
See? "She tried to touch my pee-pee" is next to testify.
A pity you couldn’t ever get a woman to touch yours. You wouldn’t be such a freak now.
I identify as someone she raped. According to democrats, that is sacred.
What she wrote is actually supported by peer-reviewed evidence as opposed to the "frightening and high" recidivism rate started by Robert Freeman-Longo in a 1986 issue of "Psychology Today", which is a layman's pop-psych magazine, which means he had no data and no peer review. He was a treatment provider trying at the time to sell his treatment program to the state of California. The Supreme Court has upheld all these draconian laws based on a widely disproven falsehood and yet the myth persists because the courts are showing deliberate indifference to the facts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCkFg7o733k
Well, as far as that goes, I agree with her.
I think Republicans need to play nice and let them have this one (assuming no big problems come up). Good opportunity to claim some higher ground and not look like assholes.
I prefer the videos of Biden threatening to block a black woman under Bush from the nomination expose the hypocrites.
You obviously missed the part where it's Josh Hawley bringing up the subject.
Why? On what planet are Democrats and journalists (but I repeat myself) going to be anything but the most despicable liars and hypocrites when it comes to anything Republican? Fuck those marxist cunts. Hang them with the pedophile enabler tag since it is at least partially true and has the bonus of bringing Hinter & Joe Biden into the mix as well as mr. Epstein.
We’re at war with them. It’s foolish to think otherwise.
Sure, zeb, not fighting is totes the way to stop psychotic totalitarians.
Unbelievable how you still keep your head buried in the sand even after covid.
You have to pick your battles. Will anything good come of fighting this tooth and nail?
Child porn and exploitation would remain seriously illegal.
There always is value in opposing whatever new swamp creature progshits field. Look what happened with Brandon.
Uh, yeah, I gotta go with Salted Nuts here. "Will anything good come of fighting this tooth and nail?" Yeah, but Gorsuch.
I don't see any issue with and, as JesseAz points out, punting on the first black female nominee and explicitly calling Biden for a second.
Hopefully every last Republican will join every last prohibition party, progressive party, communist party, people's party, whig and federalist politician in the dustbin of history so libertarians can fight it out with the Last Looters Standing.
Why do you want Republicans gone when the Democrats are the ones advocating for larger government power? It's better for libertarians and the GOP to defeat their common enemy.
I view republicans like we viewed Stalin in WWII, he was useful in defeating the immediate enemy but once Hitler was defeated Stalin would be the new Hitler.
Hank suffers from some kind of dementia. He’s really old. He still thinks this is the 80’s and the greatest threat to the US is Ed Meese and Jerry Falwell. He also hates religion and is a massive bigot.
They were accused of being racist towards her before the hearing even started.
Yeah, just let the kiddie porn flourish. Progress!
I'm pretty sure she was still sending people to prison for kiddie porn.
Are you trying to say that no punishment is too severe? Or that judges should have no discretion in sentencing?
With greatly diminished sentences below prosecutor ask and well below maximums. Consistently.
And I think everything should be on the table for child molestors, including castration.
STOP BEING A STUPID DICKHEAD! NO ONE HERE IS ADVOCATING FOR THE PROLIFERATION AND LEGALIZATION OF KIDDIE PORN! JUST STOP CHERRY-PICKING! LOOK UP HOW ALL THE FEDERAL JUDGES GO FOR DOWNWARD DEPARTURE IN SENTENCING CHILD PORN CASES! YOU MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING IN STEAD OF DOING THE SAME THING YOU ACCUSE THE LIBTARDS OF DOING!
Are you interviewing for a job at National Review?
I disagree. Republicans should do everything to drag her reputation through the mud and make the process miserable for her because that's what Democrats do to Republican nominees.
The reason is twofold. First, future Democratic nominees should loathe the process and think twice about accepting a nomination. Second, you want her to hate Republicans and write foaming at the mouth, over the top legal opinions.
Yes. Hawley cited the article. Then cited other policy positions and her legal rulings.
Why did you skip those? Didn't serve the narrative jacob?
I imagine that's exactly why he skipped them.
64 articles on Trump's election claims in 90 days illustrates he's a brown-envelope hack paid to push a narrative.
Sullum is a sack of crap. The only difference being the sack.
It’s her turn!
-Or maybe Hawley, for crass political reasons, is elevating emotion above logic and deliberately obscuring important constitutional issues.-
Maybe. Or maybe Hawley examined Jackson’s trial court record on her ( atypical?) sentencing of the porn dudes vis-a-vis the sentencing guidelines for the apposite charges. Did she routinely follow them and, if not, why not?
There’s nothing wrong with Hawley making that inquiry and asking her to explain her rationale.
He's only asking for rationale because she's black.
-slaps head-
And a woman, unless she wants to identify as something else, of course. And, because he wants to date her.
That's OK: she only got nominated because she's black and female, not because she is the most qualified candidate.
In every case she gave a sentence well below recommended guidelines.
Hawley is the ANTIFA-FOR-JESUS gesticulator egging on the violent Trumpanzee riot protesting BOTH voter blocs, popular AND electoral, tossing the Don and his girl-bullying prohibitionist pals out of office, right?
Has the thought ever come to you that it's maybe a good thing to question a judge that gave lenient sentences to those involved in CP, and not about religion, race or Jackson being a woman?
That said, I give Christianity credit as it does speak up against such exploitation. The far left doesn't do that if their reaction to Cuties is of any indication.
The far left is advocating for classifying pedophilia as a sexual orientation, as opposed to a mental disorder. The difference being pedophilia as a sexual orientation gives them protected status. This, form the same people who pushed #metoo.
Democrats really are living contradictions.
On sex-offender laws, I'm going to apply the Potter Stewart principle - I know a criminal punishment when I see it.
If the legislature votes to keep sex offenders locked up beyond the expiration of their sentences, even though this would operate ex post facto, then I know an unconstitutional criminal punishment when I see it. They could have lengthened the sentences for future crimes, but not past ones. And calling it civil doesn't make it civil, I know criminal when I see it.
And if a legislature votes to require convicted sex offenders to register as such, so be it, maybe that's a legitimate *criminal* punishment (at least for the really bad offenders - I don't mean public urination). But it's not freaking "noncriminal regulatory," I know a punishment when I see it. So they can impose it, but not retroactively.
Really, the dispute narrows down to whether the legislature can impose these punishments - oops, I mean civil and regulatory procedures - retroactively, after the crime as already been committed.
There's no doubt that I know of that they can raise the penalty for future crimes.
The Founders put in an ex post facto clause, predating even the Bill of Rights, to avoid a scenario where the legislature would pass laws to jack up the penalties *retroactively.* If prior punishments were too lenient, provide that *future* violations will be dealt with more harshly.
Among many reasons to support the ex post facto clause: If someone cops a plea in exchange for X sentence, can the legislature then break the deal and ratchet up the penalty?
Add to that Cal...these "treatment facilities" are surrounded by concertina wire just like a prison. The "patients" have cells. They have the same property restrictions as if they were still in prison. The "technicians" are correctional officers. They have no additional freedoms or privileges beyond regular inmates serving their sentences. The legal system can play semantics all they like, but it is an extra-judicial prison sentence that makes a mockery of the double jeopardy clause and due process. These hearings are a kangaroo court.
It's the height of hypocrisy to find someone competent to stand trial, aid in their own defense, and bear the full punishment for their crimes, but when it comes time for them to be set free, they suddenly have an "anti-social personality disorder" that makes them too dangerous to release back into society.
If only they could both be wrong.
Impossible. There is only mystical fascism and pagan communism! It's either-or... unless you invest a leveraged, law-changing libertarian spoiler vote like the 4000 that caused the Nixon Supreme Court to realize women have individual rights when ruling on Roe v Wade.
Not just women, so do men, and those who are unborn. Objectively a person is a human at conception. I take it you don't believe in universal human rights.
There is no "universal human right" to use another person's body against their will to keep yourself alive.
There are plenty of good arguments why abortion is immoral and why a society might want to make it illegal; "the fetus is a human and humans have a right to life" is not one of them.
Certainly if the Democrats had found some "soft on child porn" cases in Kavanaugh's background, they would have graciously overlooked them.
They would have labeled him a secret pedophile.
Josh Hawley gets alarmed about anything that he thinks he can use to stir up voters in his favor. That said, I think the whole issue here is really about the definition of "sentence" in terms of criminal punishment and subsequent restrictions. There is a group of people who want "sentence" to be defined as only the time spent in jail, after which you have completed your "sentence". A more complete definition is that there are a number of consequences that come from being convicted, which could include jail time, but may also include payment of fines, court costs, and victim compensation. It may include various restrictions following release from jail such as probation, monitoring or restrictions on where you may reside. My view is that if the judge tells you that you must go to jail for 3 years and wear an ankle monitor for 5 years after leaving jail, that's all part of your sentence, and it's not over for 8 years. If the judge tells you that you have to register as a sex offender, that's part of your sentence and it may be forever. What I do not believe is that local communities have the right to pile on restrictions above and beyond what the judge ordered.
Hawley doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected.
“There is a group of people who want "sentence" to be defined as only the time spent in jail, after which you have completed your "sentence". ”
I think many of us just look at the situation and say, if that person is a continued threat to society, why the fuck are they being allowed into the wild, as it were?
Amen, Big Ed's Landing! You said it exactly right. In fact, the state of New Jersey, the state where Megan's Law was written, did a study on the efficacy of the registry and found it to FAIL ON ALL STATED GOALS! It amazes me that the Republican bill themselves as fiscal conservatives, but when it comes to this one issue, they magically adopt the attitude that throwing good money after bad is totally acceptable and the right thing to do.
These laws are born out of animus/hatred/revenge under color of a civil regulatory scheme.
Soft On Sex Crime Supreme Court Nominee Feeling Pretty Confident As She's Being Questioned By Roomful Of Perverts
And this one, for funsies.
NCAA Swimming Champ Caught In Possession Of Performance-Enhancing Testicles
Nonsense. Men and women are equal.
Of course they are....that's why men's sports have been separated from women's sports.
That's why Will Thomas has been beating every female swimmer in the NCAA.
Men are not women.Thomas is not a woman, he is a male.
99.9% Of Americans Support Sending Mitt Romney To Fight In Ukraine
I'd send Hawley there in a heartbeat.
You go give that a try and see where it takes you.
And WHAT SHOULD BE the focus of Jackson's credentials???????
Whether she plans to uphold her sworn oath to Defend the U.S. Constitution in the face of [WE] mob Nazi's and whether or not she has a record of doing so..
From what I've seen the answer is No.
Well, if that’s the case, she’s in!
Hawley's looking at her history of legal opinions and philosophy instead of what she did at parties as a high schooler, which is, the most important thing to judge if a nominee is fit to sit on SCOTUS.
Jacob, there is currently a case going to trial involving a person being told by a Capitol officer he can go into the Capitol if he does no damage. Cameras show him going in, staying between walkway ropes, taking pictures, and leaving 20 minutes later.
He is facing 26 years.
And you complain about child porn possession sentence lengths.
Too local.
Involves egregious violations of human and individual rights, this doesn't fall under the purview of a certain libertarian magazine's mission.
On the contrary, if the police officers let you in and you do no damage, you are in fact, NOT committing "egregious violations of human and individual rights", like, at all.
Abortion is a more debatable case than what JesseAz brought up.
I assume Sullum has child porn in his possession.
Reason has really gone along with the left for the "all in on child molesting" stance.
Buttplug approves.
At this point, I think they all do. Reason has fully bent over for Brandon.
In assessing the constitutionality of laws aimed at sex offenders, Jackson argued, courts should not focus on the intent of legislators, which may be indeterminate, disingenuous, or self-deceptive. She also thought it was a mistake to focus on the factors that the Supreme Court had said may indicate whether a statute is "penal or regulatory in character," such as the question of whether a law's punitive impact is "excessive" when weighed against its regulatory rationale.</i?
So she's declared that she's willing to ignore the wishes of legislators AND Supreme Court precedent? She sounds like she'll be fucking stellar on the bench.
Oh, the Constitution is VERY, VERY alive for Ketanji!
Anyone willing to buck the looter Kleptocracy and geriatric Gerontocracy can't be all bad. We might all get dragged into the 20th Century!
Hester Prynne was required to identify herself for life as a sex offender, by wearing a scarlet letter A on her dress.
I thought Hawthorne has convinced everyone that such registration was itself an abomination.
Ostracism (i.e., freedom of association) is the primary enforcement mechanism in a libertarian society.
Anthony Comstock, Billy Sunday, William Jennings Bryan, Herbert Hoover, the Klan and the Harridans' Christian Temperance Union undid Hawthorne's work. But we do have Robert Heinlein and Ayn Rand on the side of Reason.
Oh tell us, where did all the people you mention pass out some law or policy comparable to Hawthorne's book? Cite them.
"Sen. Josh Hawley (R–Mo.) last week presented a highly misleading summary of Supreme Court nominee Kentanji Brown Jackson's sentencing practices in child pornography cases. "
Big surprise.
They're just gonna go after her for the crime of 1) being nominated by a Dem and 2) being a black woman.
Just confirm her already as her credentials are sterling and she isn't a rapist like old Boof.
What credentials? The years on her record that are sealed from scrutiny?
This is just another "pass it and see what's in it (for Dems)" play.
Being black and female are her only "credentials."
... quoth the dickless cross-burning book-burner!
Hey! The baby murdering, pro child molestation kook chimes in.
Fuck you Hank.
Respect due for her efforts in getting through school and achieving her position. I hope affirmative action was not a part of that, and it was purely on her own merit, but given her rhetoric I kinda think she rode the BLM gravy train.
Also, she is in no way qualified for the Supreme Court.
She's as qualified as all the other leftists on SCOTUS: she holds the right political opinions.
So not qualifies at all?
You mean what the liberals did to Clarence Thomas using smear and false accusations.
Oh yes and the "me Too" movement.
The same liberals who attacked Larry Elder as the black face of white supremacy.
As long as blacks remain on the plantation they're alright but as soon as they leave the plantation, they're attacked mercilessly by the left.
Yeah, fuck the left. They made war on Americans. Now it’s time for them to reap the whirlwind.
Speaking of sex offenders, wonder if Republicans will dig up someone Judge Jackson sexually assaulted back in high school, who can't remember when, or where it happened, who was there, or how they got home.
He also equates sending them to prison for, say, five years rather than 15 with "letting [them] off the hook." According to Hawley, the 1996 article is part of "an alarming pattern," exemplifying "a record that endangers our children."
Let's compare this to the Swedish model for prostitution supported by proggies which criminalizes buying sex but not selling it. In that case creating the demand is considered the problem since it creates the circumstances where the supply occurs.
Why then does Jackson not apply this principle to child pornography? Is prostitution treated differently because it is overwhelmingly by women and proggies believe anything a woman does wrong is a man's responsibility?
Oh, well if the perverts only want to LOOK, it's fine, I guess.
Not. Why are the left such paedophiles?
Also, nice gloss over 4 years and 48,000+ pages of documents sealed from scrutiny, Sullum. Interfered a bit too much with the apologizing for pederasts?
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/ex-top-senate-judiciary-attorney-says-durbin-hiding-ketanji-brown-jacksons
Oh, well if the perverts only want to LOOK, it's fine, I guess.
My understanding is that there were multiple cases of people directly taking photos of kids and taking kids across state lines. Stuff that we even in a non-sexual sense is/can be considered criminal. The focus about people looking at photos is misplaced. I don't think Netflix should've made Cuties. I think they should answer legal questions about its production. Hunting down and prosecuting every last person who watched cuties, even if they didn't see it on Netflix is just dumb.
Mostly agree. But if you are caught with sexual photos of children, we should consider spay and neuter for frequent offenders.
It appears that liberals have been tilting at the idea that pedophilia is just another gender.
I have no problem with registering sex offenders for life. The communities have the right to know who is living within their community and if a certain person is a danger to their children or the rest of the population.
Just recently Polk County, Florida sheriff Grady Judd and his people ran a sting operation that netted 102 people who thought they were going to have sex with children. Four of those arrested worked at Disney. No doubt videos would have been taken of the assaults and sold on web sites.
It's gratifying to know those monsters will be in prison for a while and forced to register as sex offenders.
USA Today a few months ago...mainstreaming this is the new civil right according to the left after grooming 5 year old's to get their biological sex "changed"
Other than all criminal records being public information, show me where there is a constitutional "right to know" who all your neighbors might be? This an invented right.
I think you all are on the wrong board. This is a libertarian board, not a racist MAGA board.
What does race and Trump have to with Jackson being soft on sex offenders? Stop the projection Joe, and repent.
So, condemning paedophilia is a conservatives only thing?
Well, good to know where you stand.
I think you are on the wrong board. This is a libertarian board, not a Marxist pedophile board.
why is reason defending jackson? just unbelievable. this woman has no place on the supreme court and any effort to prevent her confirmation is good. does the author have any idea the damage she would do on the court??
Does the whining, butthurt girl-bullier have any idea what was written in the first two Libertarian Party Platforms? This is Reason, not the John Birch Jerker.
The enemy of our enemy is our friend in this case, especially if that person is questioning one for giving lenient sentences to those involved in CP.
So, you’re for raping children in addition to murdering them? What a surprise.
What makes you think the author cares?
Well, this is the same Sullum that defended Netflix's Cuties child porn documentary... So, this is my surprised face on this topic.
Ah, JasonT20 in a new Klan hood... MUTE!
They're not even the same person. Not even close!
Does "reason" really think that people who only look at photos aren't contributing to child abuse? What do you think is in those photos, bunny rabbits? A peeper can't get their fix until somebody abuses a child. I'm really beginning to think that "reason's" reasons for this moral nonsense are entirely personal.
Does "reason" really think that people who only look at photos aren't contributing to child abuse?
If you've got evidence that they're contributing, that's the evidence and the contribution is the crime. The photo itself is not unless every mother, father, grandma, grandpa, aunt, uncle who's ever taken a picture or had a portrait or bust done of a/their child was abusing the child.
Naked baby is not equivalent to sexual images of children. Not even remotely.
Dubious images can be sexualized and debated, but hardcore child porn is, and absolutely should remain a serious crime. That image would not have happened without a child being harmed. Viewing it with sexual intent is a huge signal that you share an urge towards actual child molestation, and should be penalized for its possession firmly enough to discourage ever getting a woody for kids again.
That's a bit disingenuous. Parents taking nudies of their little ones playing in the bathtub is a far cry from some one taking pictures of a little boy or girl being sexually molested in any way. The motives and content are worlds apart, but you KNOW that.
The constitution requires no credentials for a seat on the Supreme Court. Experience as a judge is not required, nor is a law degree or any time spend studying law. You don't even have to be a Catholic. Similar to a seat in the house or senate.
Do you plan to use those same statements regardless of whichever party the president belongs to?
Is there any reason why I shouldn't?
Answer the question.
The Constitution also requires no credentials for practicing medicine, yet we have pretty strict requirements for that, and for good reason.
In fact, Ketanji Brown-Jackson is a judge and a lawyer. She is simply an unqualified political hack. And, in principle, it's the job of Congress to throw people like that out on their asses, a job they are sadly not doing.
They're all political hacks. That shouldn't need me telling you. As to whether she's qualified, that's for the political hacks in the senate to decide.
Sullum needn't worry. After Trump sucking up to Schlafly harridans, Comstock conservatives, Beatles-album-burning Landover Baptists and Totalitarian Texas' fugitive pregnant fugitive slave girl legislation, bookies figure a 0.7 probability of the lady schmoozing Senatorial geezers. With Saint Long Dong wheezing and women voters organized, look for a string of Young Republican Jesus-Jugend plaintiffs wowing the Senate with tear-jerker stories about how the judge tried to touch their pee-pees back in the 80s in hopes of beating the 2-to-1 odds.
And just how many of those supposed people really exist? Do you actually believe what you say? Be honest, Hank.
So if I understand this "brilliant" legal mind...if you kill someone with a knife the sentence should be reduced if you kill with a gun because you can kill more quicker? The internet is irrelevant. Digital or physical print is the same. Jacob has some weird fixation on this topic.
I know "left libertarians" don't like values but this attempt by the left to mainstream pedos should be terminated with extreme prejudice.
So is digital the knife or the gun?
"should be terminated with extreme prejudice."
We should start by posting incoherent comments on the net, pseudonymously, of course.
The single stupidest, most vile, most racist, most unqualified piece of nazi dog-sthie ever nominated for any office in U.S. history. Racist, retarded, hateful, disgusting, deceitful, utter scum--the anus of American history and the Acme of affirmative action.
This incomprehensibly stupid and repulsive piece of racist trash should be publicly bull-whipped and imprisoned alongside the contemptible scum who had the nerve to nominate her on Pedo Joe's behalf. Bull-whip them all--to death!
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The single stupidest, most vile, most racist, most unqualified piece of nazi dog-sthie ever nominated for any office in U.S. history. Racist, retarded, hateful, disgusting, deceitful, utter scum--the anus of American history and the Acme of affirmative action.
This incomprehensibly stupid and repulsive piece of racist trash should be publicly bull-whipped and imprisoned alongside the contemptible scum who had the nerve to nominate her on Pedo Joe's behalf. Bull-whip them all--to death!
At least she wasn't accused of running a literal rape-gang in high school (and/or college, they forget) (by people who had no details).
It could have been worse, she could have been accused of being Catholic, which would obviously run afoul of the first amendment - among other norms.
That would have been ridiculous.
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Why don't all you jack-offs just admit that you hate people who commit sexual offenses and want them dead? Why don't you jack-offs admit the registry is about revenge and be done with the pretense? Why not make every sex crime life without parole? That's what you really want. Man up and tell the truth for a change.
It seems to me the author of this article hit the nail square on the head and drove it home. It shows what a bunch of self-righteous haters most of the commenters here are. Y'all are a stain on the face of America.