Montana Supreme Court Unanimously Overturns a Pot Conviction, Saying Cops Stopped the Defendant for No Good Reason
Cops thought Hoang Vinh Pham, who received a 15-year prison sentence, was suspicious because he stared at a police van full of marijuana.

During a 2017 trip to Montana, Hoang Vinh Pham was heating up a bowl of noodles at a Conoco station on Interstate 94 when he looked out the window and saw something unusual: a police van stuffed with half a ton of marijuana. Around the same time, Richard Smith, a Montana Division of Criminal Investigations (DCI) agent who was helping two state troopers transport the marijuana to evidence storage in Billings, entered the gas station to use the restroom and buy some water. Smith thought Pham looked at the van for a suspiciously long period of time, which made Smith wonder if Pham might be involved in criminal activity.
That hunch eventually led to a search that discovered 19 pounds of marijuana in the trunk of Pham's car, an arrest for possession with intent to distribute, and a 15-year prison sentence. But according to the Montana Supreme Court, which unanimously overturned Pham's 2019 conviction last week, Smith's hunch was not enough to justify detaining and grilling Pham, which required "particularized suspicion" based on "objective data and articulable facts from which [an officer] can make certain reasonable inferences."
As Smith saw it, he did not need to satisfy that test, because his initial interaction with Pham after he followed him outside to the gas pumps was not only voluntary but "very cordial." It did not qualify as a "seizure" under the Fourth Amendment, the state argued, because a reasonable person would have felt free to cut the conversation short and leave.
Pham, who mainly speaks Vietnamese and has some difficulty with English, saw things differently. Smith and the two troopers "did not let me go anywhere," he testified at a pretrial suppression hearing. "They kept me in there, and they pulled me away even though I tried to pump the gas."
While Smith "was aware that Vietnamese culture teaches deference to police," he said he did not think he needed to tell Pham he was free to go. He also testified that "he did not believe the language barrier impacted Pham's understanding."
The Montana Supreme Court thought Pham's depiction of the situation rang true, while the government's strained credulity:
A reasonable person in Pham's position would not have felt free to leave when faced with multiple law enforcement officers asking to search his vehicle. Two of the officers were armed and in uniform; Agent Smith was obviously law enforcement in plain clothes as he was armed and displaying visible law enforcement identification. It is inconceivable to say the continuous barrage of questions by Agent Smith and Trooper Kilpela was merely "cordial" and idle conversation, and that Pham was free to go. Who willingly would discuss their plans, their family, their travels, and whether they possessed any "guns, knives,…drugs, [or] child pornography" [with] three strangers unless they were police officers and they believed they were not free to go? The only credible interpretation of this "cordial" conversation was that Pham knew he had to answer the questions, knew he was being investigated, and knew that he was not free to just walk away.
Given that reality, Smith needed something more than Pham's apparent interest in the police van full of pot to justify his investigation. Smith acknowledged that "DCI was aware of several arrests of Vietnamese people for drug trafficking traveling between Washington and Minnesota along I-94," although he denied that Pham's ethnicity had anything to do with his suspicions. "Based on this scant information," the court said, "we see no objective data or resulting suspicion justifying Agent Smith's seizure of Pham." Since "no objective data supports Agent Smith's assessment that Pham was suspicious," it concluded, "his seizure of Pham was accordingly unconstitutional."
Because Pham's detention was illegal, so was the search that turned up the evidence that was used to convict him. The court therefore did not need to consider the plausibility of the state's claim that Pham consented to the search of his car. But just as it is hard to believe that Pham would have submitted to Smith's interrogation if he thought he was free to leave, it is hard to believe Pham would have allowed a search that he knew would turn up contraband if he understood he was free to say no.
This case, like many others, casts doubt on the legal fictions that courts frequently invoke when they uphold police stops that result in criminal convictions. As long as police have a legal reason to stop someone, the Supreme Court has said, they are then free to investigate other matters. They can ask whatever questions they want, on the theory that people can always decline to answer.
Police can keep asking questions even when a driver is notionally free to go, at which point they have no obligation to tell him any further cooperation is optional. Fourth Amendment cases also frequently feature motorists who supposedly agreed to let police search their vehicles, even though they knew they would go to jail as a result. For reasons illustrated by Pham's encounter with Smith, the idea that any of these decisions are truly voluntary when people are confronted by armed agents of the state is hard to take seriously.
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Montana’s highest court.
I like using “armed agents of the state” in my suppression motions. “The King’s men” works too.
You reefer to them accurately.
Highwaymen.
Smith thought Pham looked at the van for a suspiciously long period of time, which made Smith wonder if Pham might be involved in criminal activity.
So we've been unfair to Joe Biden for sniffing the hair of young girls for too long.
You're free to leave any time you like but if you do that's evading arrest.
"Resisting without violence"
Depends on if they look at the cop "menacingly" or reach for "a weapon".
don't turn your back, either.
Hmm, fun fact I learned today. Had Germany had better control of its immigration and borders, a young Adolf Hitler would have been arrested and deported to Austria, but due to lax controls and clerical errors, he was allowed to enlist in the German army. The rest, as we say, is history.
Did he get his dope back?
Nope on the dope. Possession being an eighth of the law….or something like that.
Would he have to prove he owned it innocently, or any other way?
Or 19 lbs. of the law.
These agents need to be stoned!
EVERYBODY must get stoned!
Even if they had all the reasons to search his vehicle, 15 years for 20lbs is a fucking joke.
There is no such thing as a voluntary police encounter unless the civilian sought out the police.
If you know your rights then you are considered to be hostile, and the police react accordingly. More men, more guns, and more than likely some dogs.
Assert yourself and be guaranteed to be detained, questioned, searched, possibly beaten for failure to show sufficient respect, and you might even spend the night in jail if they're the only ones with video.
Police consider us to be the enemy.
It's about time we wised up.
Did the court order the return of his marijuana, or would that require another action on his part?
Stuff has a shelf life. By the time any government action is finished it will be spoiled.
Stop Asian hate.
Cops as you leave jail on bond:
"Remember, If you don't plead guilty to whatever the D.A. charges you with, we'll add charges of obstructing justice!"
/Cops
I had a cop ask to search my vehicle. I asked, " on what grounds"?
He said, and I quote verbatim, " I have none, but if you don't give me permission to search, you must have something to hide, and that's probable cause to search anyway".
I told him explicitly, "No, I don't consent to any searches". In his report, he made it sound like I was begging him to search my vehicle.
ACAB
Yes, those clonal cops are all alike.
It's such a ridiculous idea that if you don't have something to hide you should be just fine with a search of your car. As if having your car searched and belongings rifled through by a stranger with the power to arrest or shoot you is a pleasant, stress free experience and not a terrifying waste of time. No sane person doesn't try to avoid things like that.
Refusing a search is trouble for the unsuspecting citizen who does not know that it is settled scientific juris prudence that only the guilty invoke their constitutional rights.
Once again those eeeevil cops are at work.
How about if we just abolish the cops?
Then we can have the low crime rates we see in Minneapolis and San Francisco.
There are such things as necessary evils. At best that's what cops are.
A whole bunch of other stuff would have to happen before abolishing the police would be a good idea.
"A whole bunch of other stuff would have to happen before abolishing the police would be a good idea."
FFS it's probably only soft tyranny at this point. What's the rush.
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Okay so... Cop, presumably a veteran of some years and aware of behaviors that typify their particular clientel, sees something that so earnestly triggers his instincts that he really goes out and hassles a kid with backup was... right?
But because he had no court-reasonable grounds to investigate, he's wrong? Are police solely relegated to responding to crime, rather than any efforts to pre-empt it, now?
That said, drugs are a personal choice and pot is prettt damn benign.
It was a lucky guess.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Of course he was right. That doesn't mean he gets to do illegal things to confirm his suspicion.
Because of political correctness, the officer had no legal way to present his wholly accurate suspicions to the court.
If you cannot profile based on physical criteria in any way, there are no grounds to stop anyone for flagrantly criminal behavior and mannerisms. The kid was acting suspicious. There had been a large number of Vietnamese caught smuggling already. 1+1=hm, maybe 2. Maybe not, but suspicious enough to verify.
No.
Try again.
Verify what? That he's not smuggling drugs? That's not how it works. You need to have individualized suspicion. And it's a damn good thing that it works that way.
And taking interest in a police van stuffed full of weed isn't particularly suspicious behavior. In any case, acting "suspiciously" is not illegal. You get to look at things in public without being scrutinized by the cops.
And who said you can't profile based on physical criteria in any way? Of course you can, and it happens all the time. Even for race. If you are looking for a suspect who was identified as a particular race, then they are going to look for people of that race. What is not reasonable is deciding that being Vietnamese and being interested in the contents of a police van is reason to search someone.
>>But because he had no court-reasonable grounds to investigate, he’s wrong?
yes. 4A > Officer Hunchy
Yeah, cops asking about your activities and asking to search your car is never a pleasant and cordial conversation. That's just obvious bullshit right there.
Exactly.
They may seem cordial, but it’s cordiality. It’s the snake in the grass trying to convince you he’s being cordial, all while doing his best to give you a good ass fucking.
It’s the Astrolube lather.
Yep. And if the subject of their inquiries is behaving as if it's a cordial, voluntary conversation, it's almost certainly only to try to keep on the cop's good side as much as possible.
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Cordial conversation people, nothing to see here.
So, how did Mr. Pham know is was a van full of MJ? What there a "Police Marijuana Transport Vehicle" sign? Were the bales out in the open like a hay wagon? Cops shouting "Nothing to see here"? Did he have a nose like a police dog?
What's the point of making it obviously carrying MJ, other than to generate probable cause on anyone Asian who captures their attention?
Yeah, the cops a completely full of bullshit on this one.
I always thought "suspicious looking powder" to be a laughably vague phrase yet it's used in court all the time.
Don't worry, the US Supreme Court will overturn this case. They've been undermining the Fourth Amendment for decades. Their attitude is that if a cops wants to search, then it's justified.