Joe Biden Declared Winner of Presidential Race
All major news organizations are now reporting that Biden has won enough Electoral College votes, even as Trump mounts potential legal challenges.

Joe Biden appeared to clinch a victory on Saturday morning to become 46th president of the United States, closing out an election cycle that was dominated in the final months by debates around COVID-19, the economy, and police reform.
The Associated Press projected that Biden garnered 284 electoral votes after nabbing Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, and Pennsylvania, all of which voted to elect President Donald Trump in 2016. The former vice president appeared to be ahead in Nevada and Georgia, though neither state has been called at the time of this writing. Fox News, NBC News, and The Washington Post also project Biden as the winner.
Trump has promised to pursue at least one recount in Wisconsin, which Biden won by 20,000 votes, according to the Associated Press. The White House has also filed lawsuits in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Nevada—though he has already lost the former two bids—and vowed to challenge the results in front of the Supreme Court, casting certain states' mail-in ballots as illegitimate. On Twitter, Trump continued to claim victory.
I WON THIS ELECTION, BY A LOT!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 7, 2020
On Wednesday, the president claimed victory in Pennsylvania, Georgia, and North Carolina, which had not yet been called for either candidate at the time, and Michigan, which had been called for Biden.
…..there was a large number of secretly dumped ballots as has been widely reported!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 4, 2020
Biden's campaign was centered around injecting decency back into the public square, as well as prioritizing affordable health care, a strong economy, and an end to the coronavirus pandemic. In some sense, his victory is a rejection of the socialist politics of his chief competitor in the Democratic primary, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.)—though Biden also arguably ran the most liberal major-party presidential campaign in history.
Biden has been harshly critical of Trump throughout his term in the Oval Office, particularly with regard to the administration's response to COVID-19. The former veep faulted the president for failing to establish a robust testing program, and he called for some version of a national mask mandate. (He eventually conceded that an executive order along those lines would be unconstitutional, but he has said he would pressure every governor to enact individual orders.)
In health care, Biden advocated a public option—a government-run program that would compete with private insurance. It's a step farther than Obamacare but stops short of the Medicare for All plan championed by his running mate, Sen. Kamala Harris (D–Calif.).
If Biden fulfills all of his campaign promises, they will cost an estimated $11 trillion in new spending over the next decade. (It's worth noting that Trump increased federal spending at a faster rate in three years than former President Barack Obama did in eight, despite campaigning on bringing down the deficit.) It's looking increasingly unlikely that Biden will be able to carry out his agenda in full, however: Though many pundits forecasted that Biden would ride into the Oval Office on a blue wave, it's probable that the GOP will retain control of the Senate.
On the economy, Biden has proposed a significant raise to the corporate tax rate, and he will likely reregulate much of what Trump deregulated. Though he has promised that he will not raise individual taxes on anyone who makes less than $400,000, his policies could indirectly cost jobs and hamper economic growth.
In that vein, he has supported a number of dubious economic interventions, such as California's Assembly Bill 5 (A.B. 5), the lopsided gig-economy legislation that was supposed to compel companies to convert independent contractors into employees. It backfired, sparking a spate of layoffs across the state. After lawmakers incorporated a slew of industry exemptions, the legislation essentially targeted Uber and Lyft exclusively, though California voters just approved a proposition to exempt those companies from A.B. 5, too.
In the wake of George Floyd's death at the hands of a Minneapolis cop, and the police reform protests that followed, Biden found himself confronting skeletons from his tough-on-crime past. As a senator, he pushed the 1994 crime bill, the broad legislation that increased penalties for drug sentences, enshrined mandatory sentencing guidelines, bolstered civil asset forfeiture, and did away with federal parole. He had a cozy relationship with police unions, which have a history of covering up bad behavior among cops at the expense of the public.
Though Biden has been reluctant to accept his full share of the blame for his role in beefing up mass incarceration, he has distanced himself from the law enforcement lobby this election and promised to be on the side of criminal justice reform. Let's hope that's one promise he keeps.
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Oh boy, here we go!
I ANNOUNCE JO JORGENSON PRESIDENT!!!!
Oh I though we were announcing ridiculous things now.
The MSM are liars and nothing has changed since Nov 2 when they were liars.
Counts are still going, recounts are going, and Trump's about to win some election court ballot tossing.
Oh man if only that was true.
To dream the impossible dream ... To fight the unbeatable foe ...
Face it, dude. Trump lost. Biden will become president in January. No count or recount will save you.
Haha. Lefties are celebrating in NY and DC without social distancing. kungflu hysteria was clearly a ploy to get mail-in ballots for the largest election fraud America has ever had perpetrated on it.
Millions of mailin ballots are getting tossed. Especially the ones where people mailed in ballots and then voted in person. Mailin ballot schemes not authorized by state legislatures, etc.
But they're wearing masks though. Party on Garth!
They are NOT wearing masks overall which caught my eye. Plenty of neck diapers too.
Democrats are gonna shit themselves with Trumps reelection after forcing SCOTUS’ hand to the great democrat election fraud scheme in us history.
Lefties..recount started in Georgia. Thousands of ballots already tossed.
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You know who else is celebrating without social distancing?
Notre Dame fans, after beating Clemson in double OT.
Notre Dame beat the TIgers?
Did Justice Barrett issue an injunction benching Trevor Lawrence?
ahahaha your hero is a senile old white man and a corrupt prosecutor aahahhaahah
PARTY OF PROGRESS!!! Aahahahahahaahah
Your tears taste so good.
Not as good as Democrat tears as they insist Biden won over and over as if its true.
Democrat delusion tears are super salty.
Where are millions of mail-in ballots getting tossed? I had thought that you were merely delusional, but I suspect now that you are flat out lying.
Recounts might not. But if SCOTUS gets involved and Trump presents to them fraudulent ballots, they will call for all fraudulent ballots to be discarded and Trump will win. Biden didn’t win jack shit. And no he won’t be in January cause Trump isn’t leaving that White House until he wins all these investigation, Court Cases and Lawsuits and Trump will be given his Victory. SCOTUS gave Bush the 2000 election, SCOTUS will do it again for Trump. And if not, the House of Delegations will vote and Trump will be Election President 2nd Term. “The military will just drag Trump out by force. Umm no they won’t, he is the Commander in Chief and the military must and have no choice but to do what he says.
What is Trump´s factual/legal theory if SCOTUS becomes involved? It is easy to squawk about fraudulent ballots, but difficult to adduce evidence thereof. The evidentiary record would need to be developed before a trial court.
It is time to quit singing it and to start bringing it. What facts evince fraud?
Firstly: turnout.
Wisconsin had 89% turnout. They got 89% of all registered voters to vote. Their previous record was 73.4. 89% is a number you get in countries where they blatantly make up the votes so the ruling party wins handily.
And if you want to argue "but they have same-day registration", well, let's assume (for the sake of argument) that Wisconsin hit that 74% mark (new record) of preregistered voters and then had enough voters hit the polls and register to hit 89%. That means you have to believe that a sixth of all voters were unregistered and then decided to register at the polls, AND that Wisconsin set a new record of approximately 78% turnout. (That number is more likely...but that much more likely?)
When you add that to the fact that several precincts in Wayne County (Michigan) and Milwaukee (Wisconsin) had a great deal more votes than there are voters in the precincts, that becomes unlikely.
Secondly: the tilt of mail-in ballots.
There's an argument that mail-in ballots tilted Biden. That's somewhat believable; polling showed that to be the case. But here's the thing: Democrats requested mail-ins at about a 35-40% clip, Republicans at 30-35%, and independents at 30-35%. However, the results for these mail-ins were Biden winning them by 80 to 90 percent. That means that at the very minimum level, with Biden winning 80%, Democrats had to all go for Biden (believable), independents had to all go for Biden (less believable) and at least a third of Republicans had to vote for Biden over Trump (NOT believable).
Thirdly: throwing out Republican poll-watchers and suspicious delays.
Several Republican poll-watchers were thrown out, despite the fact that they legally have to be there to certify the election isn't being conducted in a fraudulent manner. Despite this, several counties in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania threw out Republican poll-watchers and refused to let them in; in Detroit, they boarded up the windows of the counting station (don't know the official name) so that nobody could watch them count ballots. This means that either Republicans were behaving so badly in several unrelated precincts that the ballot counters thought it necessary to throw them out and damn the consequences, or the people running the counts thought it necessary to throw them out to preserve the results they wanted.
This ties into the suspicious delay: at about 1:30 AM EST, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania all stopped reporting results. This held until approximately 4:00 AM, at which point all of them started to report incredibly heavy returns in favor of Biden (see above 80-90% tilt). While it's possible that these states had a delay as they started to tabulate results from mail-ins, the fact is that these delays weren't present in other states, which continued to have results trickle in through the night.
In conclusion:
This doesn't mean that fraud necessarily happened. It's possible that this election was conducted freely and fairly. But all these facts point strongly to the possibility of fraud occurring in these three states; the fact that these were considered the most important states for either side to win only drives home how worrisome it would be had fraud occurred.
It doesn't mean that you can conclusively declare fraud happened. It does, however, mean that there's enough suspicious activity here to open an investigation, and since this alleged fraud was perpetrated by state employees, it would make sense for it to be a federal investigation.
Addendum to conclusion: if Trump's team argues "fraud happened give us the win", that's a loser. If they argue "fraud likely happened for these reasons and we should investigate to make sure that nothing untoward occurred," that might be a winner. It depends on how deep in the muck the Supreme Court is willing to get, assuming a case advances to that level.
That is the legal argument.
1. Mail-in ballots schemes not authorized by state legislatures violate Article I, sec 4 US Constitution.
2. Illegal Ballots were accepted for counting that should not have been.
3. Illegal Ballots were accepted for counting after Election day.
4. Counts are incorrect because of counting errors.
5. Count observers were denied access to make sure counting accurate in violation of law.
....
In which states are mail-in ballots -- one form of absentee ballots -- not authorized by the state legislature?
Au contraire. SCOTUS jurisdiction here is appellate. Any evidentiary record would have to be developed one vote at a time, or at least one category of votes at a time, before appropriate state court trial judges. Biden´s margins in various states are in the thousands or tens of thousands.
This is not like 2000, where one state and a few hundred votes were at issue.
How ironic. The illegitimate votes and Dominion glitches also number in the tens of thousands, across numerous states.
Do you have anything other than ipse dixit assertions?
Unless the number of questionable votes exceeds the margin of victory in a particular state, the outcome is unaffected.
And what is a Dominion glitch?
¨If Trump’s team argues ´fraud happened give us the win´, that’s a loser.¨ I agree heartily.
In order for a party to have standing to pursue a lawsuit, that party must show (among other things) that a ruling in his favor will redress the harm that he complains of. A generalized inquiry into whether fraud occurred, irrespective of whether it affected the outcome in the forum state, is not the province of the courts. A finding of fraud which did not affect the outcome would not support any remedy that the court could grant.
The burden of pleading and proving outcome determinative fraud is on the party alleging the existence of fraud. Proof at trial before the court would be detailed and tedious.
The Trump team is drilling a dry well.
Photos of a dead man's counted ballot, General. Don't forget photos of a dead man's counted ballot.
VIVA PRESIDENTE GORE!
The media, “mainstream” or not, should stick to using modifiers such as “projected” or “presumptive”.
However, it is not true at all that “nothing has changed since Nov 2 [sic (you meant 3)]. Quite predictably, as mail-in votes were counted, they skewed Democrat. Trump himself set it up to happen by turning mail-in voting into a partisan issue. (Although, it is notable that he himself voted by mail.)
Meanwhile, it would be a good idea for you to get some “Trump 2024!” ASCII art ready.
Does this mean you will be a “libertarian” now, or at least play one as needed?
AHAHAHAHA
I think we all look forward to laughing at all the progs who hid while the election wasn't going their way lololol
The proper terms are "President-elect" and "President-eject."
Open wider, clingers.
Hahah look at you holler dog!
We’ll regurgitate Biden in 4 years (if he even lives that long without suffering an obvious stroke).
You’ll be choking on Barrett for the next 30. How’d you enjoy that stuffed down your throat sideways?
Watching a superstitious handmaiden author a series of bitter, inconsequential dissents for decades is a small price to pay for winning the culture war against Republican bigots.
See you in Georgia, clingers!
Your hero is a senile old man ahahaha
"Giz Rastan
November.7.2020 at 4:56 pm
Your hero is a senile old man ahahaha"
And you named yourself jizzstain.
AHAHA YOUR HERO IS A SENiLE OLD MAN AND YOU'RE SO BUTTHURT ABOUT IT THAT IT DESTROYED YOUR READING COMPREHENSION AHAHAHAHA
#OWNINGYOU
#JORGENSENVOTERSLAUGHINGATYOU
Keep laughing, Jizzstain. Insanity make your tears even more delicious.
Trump isn't his hero.
Trump lost. Hahahahahaha!
Poor unreason sent in every bot they had to protect Biden from losing.
Except they'll be majority opinions, not dissents.
6-3 Rev. (well, 5-4 at least)
Hard to cheat in 2 Georgia Senate runoffs with everyone watching.
LOL
Such faith in the system!
They locked you down and destroyed your business, with everyone knowing it was bullshit for months.
They completely changed election procedure and rules weeks before election day, told you they were going to steal it, then stole it in front of your face.
BuT tHeY cAn'T cHeAt ThIs TiMe!
"You’ll be choking on Barrett for the next 30. How’d you enjoy that stuffed down your throat sideways?"
She can say, "Hi!", to her six new coworkers through 2021. The Supreme Court isn't going to save you either.
Forget which sock you were using then?
What are you babbling about? I don't run socks. Unlike seemingly ever other poster on this board.
Steve-O seems to think that ACB is going to help stop the worst of B/H's proposals. I'm pointing out that:
1) Biden never has claimed he won't pack the Court if elected. That means he will, if he can. If he packs it, a likely number to expand it to is 15, to be in line with other Circuits.
2) What might stop him is the Senate. But the GOP has only 49 seats (to 48 for the Democrats) with three up in the air.
They were on track to win another one in Georgia---Perdue was up by 6 late on Election Night---and then the mystery ballots started pouring in. Lo and behold, he's up 2, and headed to a runoff. However did that happen? No guarantees Tillis wins either.
Lose one of those, and yeah, you've a 51-49 lead. Until Collins changes affiliation, Murkowski decides to be her usual self, etc... Lose 2, and you're fucked.
No, the Senate of normal times wouldn't agree to this. We aren't in normal times now.
"? I don’t run socks. "
sure sock
Are 230,000 deaths just "flu season"? You idiots were wrong about everything.
Democrats forgot they asked to "count all votes".
"She can say, “Hi!”, to her six new coworkers through 2021"
So you don't know how any of this works.
" She can say, “Hi!”, to her six new coworkers through 2021. "
Nope. Just four.
As Clint Eastwood reportedly said to Milton Berle . . . "just enough to win, Milton."
ahahahah your hero is a senile old man hahahahaahaha
You don’t have the senate votes to make that shit happen you dumb cunt. The only thing getting packed is the shit in your asshole you swishbuckling sodomitic progtard.
And how are the Democrats going to pack the court?
It's far more likely that there are at least a few sensible Democrats in the Senate who don't want to see the country fall apart.
Wrong.
This is war and democrats declared civil war 2.0 just like the started the American civil war.
Civil war 2.0?? Who will raise, train, arm, command, feed and pay an insurrectionary force? Please be specific.
Even with a Senate majority, it only takes a few senators to spoil such efforts.
The Reverend made a funny! It's probably not even original...
It is original . . . My gift to the world.
“Media-appointed Dictator”, clinger.
Sure thing, JSinAZ.
Did you know there's another frequent commenter here who uses the handle, JesseAz? Isn't that wild.
Ahahah your hero is a senile old man
Biden beat Trump. Hahahahahahaha!
And YOUR hero is going to prison. Lol.
Cute fairy tale.
No fairy tale. Trump is going to prison, and Biden is ending the China tariffs. Lol.
You thought Biden winning was a "fairy tale" too. Lol.
Haha, JesseinAZ. Trump lost. China tariffs are no more. Lol.
Trump lost, get over it. Life goes. The Republicans will hold the Senate and that means that Biden and the far-left democrats will not get their agenda through. Nice divides government.
See you in Georgia, clingers.
Bigots hardest hit.
Your authoritarian fantasies will never become reality.
Stop complaining about your clingers. You either need to shave your crack or start wiping better. Also, more fiber might help.
I would not refer to intolerant, ignorant conservatives in the manner you suggest. Bigots are people, too.
Having fun today, Steve?
Tons, I get to mock people WHO VOLUNTARILY VOTED FOR A SENILE OLD MAN AND A TOKEN AHAAHHAH
Lame ankle-biting aimed at their betters may be the only solace left to bigoted clingers in modern America . . . so nip away, losers!
ahahahah YOUR HERO IS A SENILE OLD MAN HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAH
Reagan had an alzheimer diagnosis by the end of his first term. He was full on senile in his second term.
Yeah. Pretty much.
I’m into politics for the amusement and dark humor. I liked Trump because he was the funniest president ever. But Biden is kind of funny too (albeit unintentionally) so it’s not a total loss. Here’s to four more years of amusement!
Care to share you thoughts on how Stacey Abrams “received a fair shake” in an election where her opponent was literally in charge of the election process? I don’t see any Trump supporters rushing to question how that race was conducted or decided...
It was investigated and she lost Get over it.
It isn't voter suppression when the voter tries to vote twice.
Cope
With 1.6 million vote Jo Jorgensen should be esteemed America's Presidential runner up, for while 81 million Americans voted Against Trump , and 79 million for him , ardent Biden fans remain mighty hard to find.
ardent Biden fans remain mighty hard to find.
But.. Muh mandate!
Successfully fixing the election and stealing the presidency is mandate enough for totalitarians.
You idiots really don't realize what just happened, do you?
Prison awaits Trump, and there is zero evidence of this election being "stolen," you sore loser piece of shit.
Bye, eunuch
CRY MOAR.
I couldn't wait until after the election to rub it in to you assholes.
GO CRY MOAR!
I thought there were like 40 million Biden fans in Wisconsin alone.
I remain puzzled by the Trump team´s theory of judicial relief? On what factual and legal theories does he hope to overturn the vote totals? Can anyone enlighten me?
Post office back-dating ballots in Pennsylvania.
Non-residents voting in Nevada.
Ballots with no signature or non-matching signature.
Observers barred from observing.
State courts extending ballot deadlines when only the state legislature is empowered to do that.
State governors enacting vote by mail when only the state legislature is empowered to do that.
etc.
Probably won't change the result unless they find truckloads of harvested ballots though. Better bury them in Lake Michigan.
All made up bullshit.
I hope you realize that the evidentiary record must be developed before the appropriate trial judges, likely in state courts. Biden´s margins are in the thousands or tens of thousands. In other words, insurmountable.
ilovedicks1789 is just as pathetic as the bad orange man he supports. Lol.
Trump fascist tears taste good.
Bye bye China tariffs!
1366 replies, at 10:15 Central, Sunday. Most of them trolls.
You've been warned.
Just start flagging
It's a sea of "flagged for review", and it's still unreadable.
The crying in this thread is glorious. Keep it coming.
....and I thought progressive tears were delicious
I have years and years of Lefty tears to feast on when Trump beat Hillary in 2016.
My tear barrels for Trump beating Biden are filling up with what we call "Lefty anticipation tears". When Biden thinks he won but loses in the SCOTUS and with recounts getting ballots tossed.
The MSM cant save Biden.
You will comply, clinger. If you resist, your betters will arrange your compliance.
Comply with...?
The preferences of your betters.
The lines established by the liberal-libertarian American mainstream.
Ahahaha your best candidate was a senile old man hahahaja
That "senile old man" kicked Trump's fat ass. Lol.
Your slip is showing, Preacher.
ilovedicks1789 is living in the past. Lol.
Trumper tears are even better, sugary, salty and even a hint of savory irony that is so delicate, like a snowflake in August.
Refer to my comment to the other creature. Tears are only "delicious" (gross...) to the individuals whom I would not hesitate to give a lead donation, if they ever became relevant outside of the internet.
Tears are only "delicious" if you are a disgusting piece of human existence. I came to this country just a few years ago, and comments like that tell me why I already possess a firearm. Freaks.
Don't worry Mr. Gypsy, I will not try to capture your tears. We don't actually do that in this country. I was speaking figuratively.
ahahaha you're butthurt that your hero is a senule old man HAHAHA
I GET TO DO THIS TO YOU FOR YEARS
AAHAHAHAHA
#JORGENSENVOTERSLAUGHINGATYOU
Why does it sound like you're crying? Oh, that's because you are. So much cry, Tulpa ....I mean, Jizzstain.
Idk, if your headphones have a systematic frequency error, everything sounds like a fart. So, to a clinging hateful psychopath without real character i assume everything sounds like crying. But im tellin ya, what you confuse for fun over other peoples tears is just an irrelevant itch for most normal people.
Yours
Mr. Gypsy
You're obviously butthurt Trump lost. Faggot.
Someone actually voted for Jorgensen?
And I am speaking literally and not figuratively when I say there is no tears. Only lead, if you really want it. I mean, if you wanna lecture me about "what we do in this country" and stuff... 😉
Meh.. two-thirds of the background noise in this thread are socks..
That's probably pretty close. Kind of sad. Was also wondering if Jo Jorgensen has an account here.
"Meh.. two-thirds of the background noise in this thread are socks.."
They're all tulpa's jizzcrusted socks. Poor guy's not handling this well at all.
Once upon a time, the Tulpa account was presumed to be a sock.. if it's even the same person running the account name..
Probably not the same one. This guy is much dumber but more annoying.
I guess if you say I'm more annoying that's because I'm right about something. You look like the typical virtue signaler with no other intention than hate. You are who was definitely voted out in this election.
You sound like you are obsessing about someone. Their names all start with a T, ostensibly.
Your hero is a senile old man and you hate it ahaahahaha
Totally not partisan.
I see discussions. I don't see any crying.
What happened to democrats saying COUNT ALL THE VOTES?
Trump vs Biden win for Trump is gonna be glorious!
What happened to trump saying STOP THE COUNT!!!
your hero is a senile old man hahahaajaha
Math. Math happened.
your hero is a senile old man hahahaajaha
Our new president is an adult. I'm looking forward to the improvement.
Im glad you finally will call trump the adult that he is.
4 more years of Trump as president is gonna be hard for y’all.
Do you surmise that Trump will run in 2024? Cause he has lost this election bigly.
Not bigly. Narrowly. You shouldnt deceive yourself over that.
No, BIGLY.
Fair enough, keep on believing that, your choice. It is not in your best interest though, if you really don't like what Trump stands for. That's also just my opinion. Not here to convert anyone's views.
Especially since Trump claims his 2016 win was a "landslide."
Denial is the first stage of grief, iloveDICKS1789.
There's something very profound and moving about a former prosecutor and daughter of Berkely professors being just one psych eval away from the Presidency.
Joe Biden appeared to clinch a victory on Saturday morning to become 46th president of the United States, closing out an election cycle that was dominated in the final months by debates around COVID-19, the economy, and police reform...........VISIT HERE FOR FULL DETAIL .
R.I.P. U.S.A.
So the bootlicking media gets to declare winners now? Not the state official vote tallys, not the electors?
The margin in AZ, GA and PA are very low. Same with WI. There will be recounts, and ballots that will be challenged. I don't expect this will end soon. Biden is not yet elected. Stop playing into their hands.
https://mkecitywire.com/stories/564495243-analysis-seven-milwaukee-wards-report-more-2020-presidential-votes-than-registered-voters-biden-nets-146k-votes-in-city
Thanks for the link. It clearly shows there was no fraud in Wisconsin. There was one ward with 4 (yes, 4) voters where a 5th voter registered on election day, temporarily putting the turnout at 125%. Anyone with a basic grasp of math understands this is a perfectly legitimate outcome when there's such a small voter pool.
Trying to reason with a clinger is pointless. You can't reason with bigotry, superstition, and belligerent ignorance.
All you can do is await their replacement.
Ahahah your hero is a senior old man aahahhaahah
Great comment, dumbass. I am feeling magnanimous today, so I'll give you another crack at that one.
Ahahah your hero is a senior old man aahahhaahah
Rather than a non-senior old man?
Get an education, dumbass. Start with standard English. Backwater religious schooling does not count.
ahahaha cry more about your hero being a senior old man ahahaahah
Go cry about Trump losing.
I find it hard to believe that no Trump supporters have ever lived through a presidential election before. Even if you are just 18 years old, surely you’ve paid attention at least once when the media called an election a few weeks before the electors officially meet. Do you all sniff glue or what?
Yes and it is AWESOME!
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This election is closer to gore vs Bush than any other election dummy. How long did that one take again?
No it's not, Blue State Jesse. It's nowhere near as close as the 2000 election, which came down to one state. As usual, you are spreading wrong information.
It's actually closer than 2000 since 49 states weren't close enough for a recount then. It looks like there are at least 3 states that will be recounted this time.
Again, where is Lee Harvey Oswald when we need him?
I hope everyone else notices how frequent the threats and violent fantasizing by the fascists have become.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Donald_Trump_Las_Vegas_rally_incident
mmmmmk? I'm talking about the daily threats and violent fantasies espoused just by the members of this commentariat. But if you want to go terror incident for terror incident, Trump supporters win by a mile as well.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236
I don't think anyone is surprised that you ignore your fellow travelers burning cities down.
And didn't you lie about only posting here twice a month when it was pointed out that you went dark like a fucking bitch until the fraud broke your way?
Why so cranky, bigot?
Awww you're upset bcause you hid like a bitch!!!
"Went dark." It might surprise you to know that I do many things other than commenting here. In fact, this is my secret and guiltiest time waste.
I'm enjoying the salt. Keep it coming.
So yes your coward ass went dark like a bitch
You must have missed me terribly.
It wouldn't bother you this much if you didnt know you went dark like a bitch.
And homophobia? Really? You're that mad?
It's not homophobia, I just can't think of another reason why you would obsess over me.
So you hid like a bitch and are a gross homophobe
Trump lost. GO CRY MOAR, BITCH!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/envelope-addressed-to-trump-tested-positive-for-ricin-officials-say/2020/09/19/01f681a2-fab1-11ea-be57-d00bb9bc632d_story.html
You keep citing one off's, while I've got all the stats right here. White supremacists (Trump supporters) were by far the largest terror threat for the last few years.
It wouldn't bother you this much if you didnt know you went dark like a bitch.
And homophobia? Really? You're that mad?
And really keep clowning yourseld by ignoring your fellow Antifans.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-accused-sending-letters-laced-ricin-wanted-send/story?id=58309953
Kirkland's threats are the same old stuff. AOC making a list for re-education or Reich's Truth and Reconciliation are pretty empty as threats go.
I haven't seen you, Tony or the other usual facists here making threats.
I wish Tulpa would get senile spelled correctly.
P.S. Biden is still a crook, but I get it, he is your crook.
You think too small, bro.
Our LHO will only magically appear if Trump somehow wins this.
LHO only takes the fall for one (D) icing another, Biden better keep a sharp eye on Harris..
Who needs Lee Harvey Oswald when commie democrat stooges are a dime a dozen. Drop by any Antifa meeting or fascist protests for some candidates.
Lefties shifted to plan B which was for the MSM to announce Biden won in the hopes that Trump would concede and the SCOTUS justices they attacked would give in.
We're still in the middle of plan A. They told us to our faces how they were going to do it and now they are doing it right in front of our faces.
Democrat Plan A didnt work because that was landslide for Biden.
Plan B is to steal the election with election fraud, MSM trying to act like Biden won, saying we should count all the ballots but not actually count all the ballots, making any challenges seem ridiculous....
Plan C is to burn as much down as they can when Trump actually wins the election.
Nah. Landslide for Biden was a diversion. They even said themselves not to trust the polls.
Biden will win by four if not five points. No Republican has done that in 30 years.
Well this plan is already falling apart for Democrats. Trump aint conceding, the vote count is too close before ballots will het tossed, and lefties are in streets celebrating proving that kungflu restrictions were a ploy to get mailin ballots.
Democrats last play is to act delusional and just keep saying biden is president over and over.
Trump lost. Lol.
ilovedicks1789 is a cuck.
More like Reagan.
Bush v. Gore involved a recount in a single state where the margin was in the hundreds. How is this case similar?
It's like half the populace is reverting to their childhood or something. I'm seeing literal tantrums.
This is better than 2016.
Nothing will top the epic meltdown of progressives in 2016. The discussions in this thread is not akin to throwing a tantrum, screaming at the sky, media pundits crying on air, riots, etc. You attempting to make the comparison is just lingering bitterness over 2016 and an attempt to assuage that bitterness with taunting.
I wasn't bitter in 2016. I was amused at all the crying from Hillary supporters. But that was nothing compared to this. This is some epic mewling.
"I wasn’t bitter in 2016"
"Chipper Morning Baculum
November.4.20166 at 8:01 pm
Fuck Trump and fuck all the bigots and racists who voted for him"
Ahahahahaa you were SO BITTER AHAAHAAHAHAH
LOL
Biden is still a crook, but he is your crook now.
Ahahah your cope is tangible ahahaha
Wait until the recounts and courts throw out thousands of Democrats ballots and Trump actually wins.
it will be more glorious that trump beating Hillary in 2016 because you people think you won.
Exhibit A.
Didn't you lie about only posting here twice a month when it was pointed out that you went dark like a fucking bitch until the fraud broke your way?
Look at the bright side LC. There’s a robust post-Trump life ahead for you:
Late night cyber with Nardz.
Rekindling your INCEL chats.
Experimenting with new Hot Pocket recipes.
You might even find love again. What about Stephen Miller? Q? Eric Trump?
Maybe get a job: Shitlord could always use a new Fluffer.
Ahahah your hero is a senule old man ahahahahaha
No doubt Biden quite non compos mentis....And Trump got beat by him. Sad.
I know rught! I bet you wish now that you vored for Jo like i did instead of sucking off a senile old man like you did!!!
I did vote for Jo. But I’m going to take this time to enjoy the delicious tears of those Republican tribalists who’ve clogged up this commentariat for the past 4 years.
"I did vote for Jo"
you left off the E dumbass AHAHAHAHAH
your hero is a senile old man haaahaahaha
"Republican tribalists"
ahahahah SURE YOU VOTED FOR JORGENSON AHAHAHAH LOLOL
YOUR HERO IS A SENILE OLD MAN AHAHAAHAJA
Look on the bright side--your son has an actual chance now to get drafted for the next Middle Eastern war.
"His" son...
Its pathetic to rely on someone elses pain for your entertainment. Libs lost so much because of that proclivity already.
Tulpa, I voted for Biden. Looks like I voted for the WINNER. GO CRY MOAR, BITCH!
It will be sweet watching dims lose their shit when defeat is snatched from the jaws of a fake victory. Dims will give "sore losers" a whole new meaning.
Get the fire extinguishers & extinguishers ready for when they overheat and explode. It will be epic. Buy stock in anti-depressants, mood stabilizers and prozac because there will be a run on them as they are looted and hard to find.
You lefties here better stock up ahead of time so your posts do not increase in incoherence.
Democrats already know the Trump victory is coming by December 14, 2020.
Its why they demanded counting every ballot and the the MsM declared biden president before all the votes and recounts are done.
Senule?
I'm sorry but the intensity of your comments makes it seem like you're butthurt the blue wave never happened. Just my two cents. Your behavior makes you seem like a douche and will not cast a positive light on whoever you claim to stand for.
Fuck off, fag. I'm ecstatic that Trump lost, and I'm dishing it out to all the assholes who belittled me for pointing out Trump isn't a libertarian or even a conservative. I couldn't give a shit about the Senate or the House. Biden's win was, in fact, a landslide, considering that Trump called his own victory in 2016 an "electoral landslide." America to Trump: YA FIRED, BITCH!
Sure you have buddy.
Exhibit B.
Didn't you lie about only posting here twice a month when it was pointed out that you went dark like a fucking bitch until the fraud broke your way?
lol. spam it a few more times. That will make you look not at all desperate for my attention.
So you did say that and it bothers you that he caught you lying lololl
So yes your coward ass went dark like a bitch
Now I've got two little twinks following me around waving their asses at me. I'm not into it, fellas.
It wouldn't bother you this much if you didnt know you went dark like a bitch.
And homophobia? Really? You're that mad?
Exhibit B of what? Tantrums?
Forgive me if I’m skeptical of what appears to be election shenanigans. How expressing skepticism or distrust is throwing a tantrum, when I voted for Jorgenson, is fucking laughable.
I honestly feel bad for biden with whats coming from the recounts and SCOTUS.
It will probably give him a heart attack. He called in all his favors and it still wont prevent trumps reelection.
Notice the media nor unreason are mentioning Bush vs Gore. Trump vs biden is gonna set back democrat election fraud for decades.
What do you posit will be Trump´s theory of relief -- both factually and legally -- if the matter reaches SCOTUS? Please be specific. ¨I don´t like the result¨ doesn´t feed the bulldog.
Are you talking about BLM+Antifa? Now THOSE are tantrums! 😉
Antifa, yes. At least in Portland
Black Lives Matter, where?
Hey look the Red Knight is playing stupid again.
" I don’t expect this will end soon. "
Neither does Trump. He is as delusional and character-deprived as you are.
Biden is President-elect. Trump is President-eject. You are an inconsequential bigots.
You can whine and whimper, rail and flail, mutter and sputter as much as you like I consider that satisfying and great entertainment.
Carry on, clingers.
Resist!
Do whatever you like! Whine, whimper, mutter, sputter, rail, flail . . . whatever you wish, however much you prefer.
But you will comply with the preferences of your betters. Just as you have throughout the entirety of your life.
Cry more!
President-elect Biden must be your new mantra to help you sleep. How sad will you be when even you can no longer hold onto that and become a genuine bitter clinger.
Biden is President-elect.
nah
Trump is President-eject.
nice
Wash yourself! You smell like catpiss on moldy sweaters. No hot water in the halfway house?
Maybe this is your first election, but the media always calls it. State officials do the paperwork.
As for the margins, they are large enough. Most recalls changes are small, usually well less than 300 votes. Yes you can challenge ballots but you can not just throw them out because you don't like them. You have to challenge for cause.
You can't reason with superstition, bigotry, or belligerent ignorance.
Resist!
Submit!
Or we will help you find your compliance mode.
Either way, I am content.
Fucking take a bath, you reeking public transport sleeper.
We already know the count software is changing votes by the thousands. Every County that used it needs to be audited in states where the difference was below 200k which is most of the battleground states.
Put up or shut up! How do we know the count software is changing votes? By the way, audit the voting machine before and after is common. Certainly a requirement in Wisconsin.
Because, like three voting machines has a temporary glitch with a software update. Pretty damning.
So much for every vote counts lololl
I look forward to clubbing you with this lololl
Every vote does count. At some point in the count, they don’t all have significance.
Lolo look at you trying pathetically to walk it back ahahah
"No no I realize I was childishly bitching about the count but really I meant they all matter" lolol
I look forward to clubbing you forever liar ahhahhah
Have you even read about how the software glitch was handled? It slowed down the line in a few polling places, so they kept them open later. No votes were affected.
I read your posts where you said what I said you said then tried to make excuses for it
Lc1789 believes Trump’s lawyers will get millions of mail-in ballots tossed. He literally said that.
His brain literally can't process this. It's kind of sad how delusional he is.
I’m generally in line with LC on his ultimate policy proscriptions, but he’s absolutely fucking delusional with this.
Yup. Millions of mail-in ballots will get tossed.
Article I, Sect 4. Only state legislatures can change election laws not Democrats governors.
But hey, getting a few thousand Democrat ballots tossed will be enough to give trump victory in WI, MI, PA, GA, AZ, and NV.
I cant wait for unreason to have to suck their own dicks again in 2020 like they did when Hillary lost in 2016.
You seem to have an unhealthy appetite for crow.
Didn't you lie about only posting here twice a month when it was pointed out that you went dark like a fucking bitch until the fraud broke your way?
I am wiping my political shoes on your tongue, you bigoted clinger.
Open wider. I want to hear your whimpering.
I admit, I lost it on this post.. loooool. haven't been back to reason for a while, so I don't know which sock you are. Almost reminds me of warty..
Good luck!
Yup. We dont need luck. We have kavanaugh, barrett, and thomas who will enjoy political payback using the US Constitution to crush you fucking democrat traitors.
Dumdum lefties partying in the streets in NY without cuomo cracking down illustrates the kungflu hoax and mailin ballots were demanded based on that hoax.
ilovedicks1789 is having a meltdown. LMAO.
Challenge for cause? What, are you new here? All you need to do is throw it in the trash if you don't like it. Or, you could print 2 ballots you like for every 1 you don't like.
That's how elections work. Deal with it.
LOL. You need to do your civic duty and work at the polling place for a while and see how ballots are really handled.
Our country is doomed still. Look at these idiots and remember that Hitler did not seize power from an unwilling populace, he was cheered as he did it. Now you have morons cheering on a losing demagogue to overturn the votes of their fellow citizens.
They are fascists. Let's stop pretending this is a disagreement on policy. Trump and the GOP don't even have a policy platform. This is about the principals of liberalism (classical, morons, not the fox news version) vs authoritarianism dressed up as popular fascism.
Didn't you lie about only posting here twice a month when it was pointed out that you went dark like a fucking bitch until the fraud broke your way?
Can someone else please tell Xavo I will not fuck him, no matter how much he begs?
It wouldn’t bother you this much if you didnt know you went dark like a bitch.
And homophobia? Really? You’re that mad?
You're entitled to that opinion.
Lefty bots sent in by unreason are really trying to circle the election fraud wagons.
Maybe you and your buds should try kidnapping more governors. After all, you'd be doing it with the tacit support of the current POTUS.
I agree, you Democrat’s and your cheering supporters for people who want to curb stomp our 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendment rights, and destroy our economic freedom, are giant fascists.
That’s what you’re supporting cheering on a Biden/Harris presidency.
Sincerely, a JoJo voter.
"...see how ballots are really handled."
You mean like counted outside of the view of court ordered observers.
Guess somebody forget to tell that the #resistance for the last four years. I look forward to joining the #new resistance, against Biden! Liberals have advised us for the past four years, that nothing is more patriotic than dissent! Wait, that only applies to LIBERALS DISSENTING. Ohhhh.
I remember how steamed the news anchors were at Trump declaring that he had won the election - "He has no right to say that!" - as they stood in front of their maps with the red and blue states where they had declared the winner. I must have missed that part of the Constitution that says TV anchors are the ones with the sole power to declare election winners.
Have you prepared a menu for your Inauguration Day celebration, Jerryskis?
This was a coup against the people, not an election. This is incomparable to 2000.
There's always been an element of fraud in American elections, but this was Venezuela tier, and your establishment media were active, deliberate coup participants who were part of the plot from day one.
That's what you're cheering. The death of American democracy. 2016 was the last election in American history. Don't expect midterms, the establishment left will find a hundred reasons not to hold them.
Voter fraud is incredibly rare. The conservative Heritage Foundation looked for fraud over a 36-year period and could only find 1285 cases out of nearly two billion votes cast - a rate of .0000007%.
2020 is gonna blow those election fraud numbers away.
Your citation fell off too...again.
"Heritage Foundation", "fraud"
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud
Literally the first result on Google.
"Trust the system"
"Obey"
Hey man, I'm just providing the cite that LC requested. I'm sorry it's not from ZeroHedge 🙁
If you have a similar quote from past presidents about not believing your own lying eyes, I'd love to see it.
Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening."
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-44959340
“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
-1984, George Orwell
Goes both ways, really
This database is not an exhaustive or comprehensive list. It does not capture all cases and certainly does not capture reported instances that are not investigated or prosecuted. It is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.
One thing you learn quickly in auditing (financial, systems, or otherwise) is that if a vulnerability exists then it will be exploited. Most of the vulnerabilities, and in all likelihood most instances of what constitutes election fraud, come at the point of the ballot, and are unprovable unless carried out in an egregious fashion. Trump's hosed, but it's not like the system is by any means pure.
It's obvious which of the majors benefits more from this arrangement due the reaction when efforts are made to mitigate any (and I mean ANY) vulnerabilities. Because of the partisan dynamic nothing will change unless and until the R's manage to become more adept at exploiting the system than the D's. This shouldn't be possible strictly for geographic reasons, but if mail voting becomes the norm than that will change.
Nah, American democracy will be fine.
Who did you vote for again? Oh, that’s right, you are a Canadian who is so obsessed with American partisan politics that you spend several hours here a day arguing pro-Trump talking points. Weird.
And you're a supposed Libertarian who is crowing about a Progressive winning.
Much more weird
What's weird is you think that somehow declaiming the fact that a Canadian is concerned about the political direction of his country's single biggest trading partner, is some sort of rhetorical "win".
I'd think you were retarded, if I didn't know you're just lazy and can't summon the necessary wherewithal to actually challenge my arguments, so canadamanbad...
What a clown.
You are way beyond acting like someone who is merely “concerned”.
I recommend turnovers.
Sprinkled with imaginary fraud and clinger delusions.
But the turnover is real.
Bananas. Because this is banana republic shit. The 2020 election was determined to have lower election integrity standards than over 80% of the developed, western world.
Determined by whom?
OAN?
Better than CNN.
Hypocrisy is on yours.
The media have declared winners based on projections in every election for years. MORON.
"So the bootlicking media gets to declare winners now?"
How much money would we have to pay to how many bootlicking media, to lick the boots of Jo Jorgensen instead, and install her as POTUS?
Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!
PS, also upon soooo-deep thinking... About this business of licking the boots of Jo Jorgensen... Is these video? Otherwise, it didn't happen!
The Dominion Software that switched 6k votes to biden also has glitches in GA. Every county that used it needs a hand recount. The company and software is tied to the Clinton foundation for fucks sake. It sent an update the day before the election.
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/clinton-global-initiative/commitments/delian-project-democracy-through-technology
Donna Brazille probably wrote the code!
Donna Brazile was too busy working on a winning campaign to write that code.
How do you think they're winning?
By a landslide, at least according to One-Term Don Trump.
Trump is saying it's a landslide?
Trump received 304 Electoral College votes (two others couldn't stomach him) and lost by several million votes. He described that as a "landslide,:
Biden will receive 306 Electoral College votes and has won by several million votes.
And you said it wasn't a landslide.
Now you're crying that it should be.
Jesse, say bye bye to the Trump tariffs. Lol. Protectionism is dead.
COUNT EVERY BALLOT! Except when we have just enough to declare our favored candidate the winner, then we can stop.
We all knew that they were going to keep counting until Biden (Harris) won.
If you mean that some of the provisional votes may be disregarded after it has become mathematically impossible for the bigots to win, you may be right.
But if you believe this election was tainted you are as delusional and dumb as you are bigoted and obsolete.
Maybe consider leaving America, because you will become increasingly aggravated by all of the damned progress?
Aahahahah your hero is a senile old man hahahaha
"If you mean that some of the provisional votes may be disregarded"
No. I mean that the Dems and their allies will manufacture votes until you get the necessary numbers.
It's no coincidence that the percentage of "people" who voted in this election was the highest in over 100 years.
Prove they manufactured votes, you lying cunt.
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Notice the MSM, unreason, and the Lefty bots are on the attack to circle the wagons that Biden didn't lose.
GO CRY MORE, BITCH.
There are election observers in every room where ballots are counted and there are livestreams of most of these counting areas. Yes, this includes Philadelphia, where the Trump Campaign had to admit in court that they had observers in the room.
your citations keep falling off.
Recounts in WI, MI, PA, NC, GA, AZ, and NV.
SCOTUS throwing out millions of mail-in ballots.
What is the legal theory supporting SCOTUS throwing out millions of mail-in ballots that were permissible under the applicable state laws? Please be specific.
GO CRY MOAR.
Calling it like they see it. Don't worry snowflake, he has a couple of more months in office, he can still do some damage.
Can't have a bunch of people rioting because the election was stolen from Biden, if it wasn't declared for Biden in the first place.
All part of the plan.
They're holding a gun to America's head, and libertarians are celebrating
One of the necessary conditions for a libertarian society is high trust, civility, and tolerance.
President Trump has spent his every waking hour working for distrust, partisan hatred, and intolerance. It will help the country tremendously for him to go away.
Some of these guys actually are the walking caricatures that leftists have of libertarians. Extreme narcissism and solipsism wrapped up in anti science superstition and extreme ignorance of the world and other places and cultures on par with the Russian peasants who brought about the Bolshevik revolution.
Ahahaha your hero is a senile old man ahahahahah
Projection. I do not worship politicians as you and your cult does. If you can find a comment of mine actually praising Biden, then I encourage you to post a link. Biden is not as bad as Trump. Full Stop.
Ahahaha he's right look at how butthurt you get
YOU MADE YOUR HERO A SENILE OLD MAN AHAHAHAHAHAJ
Tulpa, your spamming is incredibly boring.
So you think Democrat want or will create a high-trust society? The grievance mongers? The intersectionalists? The people who hug “The 1619 Project” like a security blank or? Scoff, I say. And again, scoff.
Relative to Trump, just about anybody would be less destructive to trust and civility.
Fisticuffs Joe is a paragon of civility?
Quid pro Joe is trustworthy?
How do you feel about lock em up Harris?
I said “trust” not “trustworthy”, and it was in reference to trust among Americans in each other, not about trust in Biden.
It should concern you that you're about to become useless to the left.
Totalitarians are pretty quick to take out their trash.
And not a soul in the world will either defend or mourn you.
GO CRY MOAR, BITCH!
I’m a libertarian. I’ve had my whole adult life to learn to deal with living in a country run by two parties that I don’t agree with. I’ll be just fine.
Glad to see the driver of divisiveness and incivility on his way out.
I can't keep up. Are they soft little soy boys that can't even lift a starbucks latte, or jacked-up super soldiers with access to limitless Soros funding? Which is it today?
Right. Trump was way more destructive to trust and civility than the FBI lying on a FISA warrant. That 100% bolster trust and confidence in American institutions. Almost as much trust and confidence as manufacturing the Russia bullshit and spending years beating that drum, only to switch to the Ukraine drum, then doing their damndest to delegitimize the supreme court by painting one nominee as a rapist and the Speaker of the House flat-out calling the next one illegitimate on television, AND THEN when none of that worked, going full-on authoritarian goon squad, shutting down the entire economy, placing restrictions on individual's freedom of movement, TELLING PEOPLE WHO THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE IN THEIR OWN HOMES and encouraging neighbors to snitch on each other of they break the rules. None of that did ANYTHING to degrade trust and civility, both in insititutions and among citizens. Definitely the fact that Trump is an asshole is responsible for that.
^
The Russia thing was not bullshit, and Trump is going to prison. Enjoy.
The Russia thing was not bullshit
As evidenced by a 2+ year investigation that found nothing.
Trump is going to prison
The fact that he hasn't broken any laws will probably not be much more of an impediment than his 700k+ vote lead in Pennsylvania was.
I'm sure you'll end up sending most of his supporters to prison as well. It's a good thing you guys aren't fascists. Then things would be really bad for Trump supporters.
Says the moron who thought Trump was going to win the election. Lol.
NY AG is setting sights on Trump as we speak.
Ten counts of obstruction documented in Mueller Report.
well said
Yeah, the truth and reconciliation committees with there list are gonna be lit.
I see very few libertarians celebrating here.
Maybe some 'libertarians', though. And screeching children, like Artie. Bit who really pays attention to a pre-teen with rape fantasies?
What is the factual/legal basis to challenge ballots in sufficient quantities to overcome Biden´s margins of victory? Please be specific.
GO CRY MOAR, BITCH.
This reminds me of that one time.
https://youtu.be/3ADgb_s6ZSY
You know Binion was just itching to write that Biden won the election. That is a disservice to Readership. Biden has not won anything, as the counting is still underway.
I think its over. I'm profoundly disappointed, but I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. I do believe there was fraud, i just can't say if it was enough to tip the election in bidens favor. Yes, I believe the liin share of the fraud was democratic based on prior history and known factors. In also believe well never get a full accounting of the fraud regardless of how pervasive it was, because that requires a press that doesn't engage in venal lies to support one political ideology.
Thanks for acknowledging that the race is over. I appreciate you are disappointed, it is always hard. I accepted the results of the 2016 election reluctantly, but accepted them non-the-less. I thought that Hillary Clinton was beaten up unnecessarily and that contributed to her loss. But accepted she lost.
But accepted she lost.
That's one way of putting it.
Ha,
What's another?
REEEEEEEEEEE?
You spent 4 years screaming russia dipshit. What a fucking delusional liar.
Say good bye to the China tariffs, bitch. Protectionism is dead.
Paul has always been one of the more rational conservatives on here. I respect him.
I agree, Paul is great. I wish more of the commenters here would learn a thing or two from Diane Reynolds (Paul) about how to actually engage in rational discourse that doesn't rely on ridiculous conspiracy theories or assertion by anecdote.
You could be the first to try.
Trump lost. GO CRY MOAR, CUNT.
You and the other trolls here didn’t accept shit. Or do we need to remind you of the last 4 years.
Biden did worse than Obama everywhere except in the 4 major cities in Penn, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin and you think there wasn't enough fraud to swing the election?
What facts evince fraud? Please be specific.
6k votes in one county changed in Michigan, multiply that by 47 counties. Also used in Georgia where 2 counties also reported issues. More than enough to investigate to change a vote. Lokewise PA is now defying 2 federal orders to segregate ballots received after election day.
That's not exactly accurate. There was a data import error where votes weren't imported correctly. The votes were correctly registered but not counted. During routine vote tally checks, the issue was discovered and corrected. No votes were changed but the margins between the candidates shifted when the vote talkies were corrected. Some of those margin changes helped conservatives. As each of these votes will be recounted in the coming weeks, any actual fraud will be exposed if it exists.
Your citation fell off.
Unreason has activated all the bots to protect biden not losing.
Your dick fell off.
This is exactly the media play right now, and this is exactly the reason they went to such great lengths to censor Trump supporters from "prematurely" calling the election for Trump. They're going with a full court press to get you used to the idea that Biden won so that you'll accept it more easily.
That is where I am, right now = I do believe there was fraud, i just can’t say if it was enough to tip the election in bidens favor. That said, we'll find out.
There will be lawsuits in the following states: AZ, GA, MI, NV, PA, WI. If there is demonstrable fraud, the judiciary will address it. There is always the option of a state legislature appointing the electors, if the fraud is widespread and the state is under a deadline to certify the vote. Team R controls the AZ, GA, MI, PA and WI state legislatures.
POTUS Trump's legal team needs to get their shit together. They are completely uncoordinated.
If there isn't fraud found, then POTUS Trump loses, and Biden is sworn in 01/20/2021. There will not be rioting. There will not be looting and violence and mayhem by disappointed POTUS Trump supporters. Everyone will see the difference in behavior. They may be deplorables, but they do not act like fucking animals who belong in a cage.
There is an election in 2022. Time to take the House. By then, there may be sufficient evidence for articles of impeachment against a POTUS Biden (or Harris). For damned sure, their socialist agenda will die in the Senate.
There was no rioting in 2016 when Hillary lost, was there? So what the hell are you talking about? Surely not the BLM protests, because that had nothing to do with the election.
Troll post, I know, but yes there was. They burned some stores out in DC during the inauguration.
Based on the Trumper definition of "rioter," there are already Trumper riots in Pennsylvania and Michigan.
Us rational people would call them "protesters."
Get back to us when those balaclava clad Trumpers loot the shoe and liquor stores, and burn a Starbucks to the ground..
If the Trumpers do ever decide to "peacefully protest", Shawn and his ilk won't be getting back to anybody about anything ever again
Yes, there was you lying piece of shit.
"POTUS Trump’s legal team needs to get their shit together. They are completely uncoordinated."
The Bush recount legal team included three future Supreme Court justices.
The Trump recount legal team has Rudy Giuliani, Pam Bondi, and Phill Kline.
The Republican A-team has largely been missing this time around. Instead of using experienced, successful, big-firm lawyers we have seen representing Republican candidates for decades, the Trump campaign has been relying to remarkable degree on downscale, small-town lawyers with little or no election law experience (beyond the local dogcatcher level), at least so far.
Ahahaha your hero is a senile old man ahahahahah
Where is a 'James Baker' when you need him? Baker was underappreciated as a strategist, in hindsight.
Arthur, if the recounts and audits show Biden to be the winner, and it is a transparent and aboveboard process, so be it. And I think the overwhelming majority of POTUS Trump supporters would see this similarly. If you lose fair and square, you lose. You do not riot in the streets. No violence, no mayhem.
And then start planning for 2022. And redistricting in 2021.
"...if the recounts and audits show Biden to be the winner, and it is a transparent and aboveboard process, so be it. And I think the overwhelming majority of POTUS Trump supporters would see this similarly. If you lose fair and square, you lose..."
I agree with most of this. A clear Biden win, beyond the ability of any likely fraudulent scheme to achieve, is one thing. A stolen election is something else.
I don't think the recounts and audits will show this election wasn't stolen. I think they'll show proof of massive malfeasance. And I also think no one will have the guts to call it fraudulent and invalidate the ballots. Even in light of fraud. They'll act exactly like Comey did in refusing to indict Hillary Clinton, and think they're doing the Nation a favor by being 'prudent.'
Their prudence will merely guarantee it will happen again. Maybe the two Senate runoffs in Georgia.
Trump lost. GO CRY MOAR, BITCH.
There's already plenty of evidence to impeach Biden for taking bribes, but you need a house majority to impeach, and you need a senate supermajority to convict.
Add to that the fact that Republicans would have to be completely nuts to take Biden out with the Ho waiting to take over, and I just don't see it happening.
-jcr
"There will not be looting and violence and mayhem by disappointed POTUS Trump supporters. Everyone will see the difference in behavior. They may be deplorables, but they do not act like fucking animals who belong in a cage."
lc 1789 and Nardz literally call for/threaten armed violence on a daily basis (as does their new guy "DoesAnyoneElseCareAboutFreedom) and we saw a plot to kidnap a governonr of MI (which was arguably tacitly condoned, certainly not condemned, by POTUS and he also tweeted "LIBERATE MICHIGAN" beforehand).
"POTUS Trump’s legal team needs to get their shit together. They are completely uncoordinated."
Agreed, but that is what happens when the client is all over the place himself. He has no coherent theory other than aggrandizing self-interest and inability to understand that other people might be smart or worthy.
BTW they're not only uncoordinated, they are also OPENLY admitting that their newly-installed justices are "expected" to "come through."
https://t.co/Z4bfBqsks5
The amount of fraud (in any election in the USA) is so low compared to voter disenfranchisement that it's fucking hilarious how big of snowflakes Trumpers are, yet they never actually present any actual physical evidence for any widespread (or even lukewarm) example of voter fraud.
And you never present any evidence of voter disenfranchisement.
Uh... Florida felons who can't vote because they owe money but the government won't tell them how much they owe?
Texans forced to use one ballot drop box for over a million voters in "blue" cities?
Cry more!
Trump just boasted 'most votes by a sitting president EVER!'
Republicans are such dullards.
Whimpering, inconsequential, bigoted dullards.
Ahahah and then you did what he told you ahahahahaha
Your hero is a senile old man
There's always fraud. Normally I'd say it's not enough to tip an election. But this one ended up razor thin.
Seriously, if less than one percent of votes (half the libertarian totals) could have tipped this then the normal background fuckery could have had an effect this time around also.
After all, how many times do you hear about a voting software glitch the benefits the Republicans?
Uh Michigan?
The "glitch" helped mostly Republicans. Fixing the glitch obviously reversed that though it did boost one Republican and narrowed another Republican victory.
So many unreason bot claims with no citations.
Ad hominem, when you know you're wrong and hope no one noticed..
See... no citations. Poor unreason knows whats coming because Trump refused to giveup.
Trump vs biden leads to Trump reelection after millions of illegal mailin ballots tossed.
ilovedicks1789 is having a meltdown. Lol.
Counting votes for Trump as votes for Biden helped Republicans? I know they just legalized weed and shrooms in a lot of states, but fucking pace yourself you stupid motherfucker.
Bottom line, the press was able to spend 3.5 years investigating and perpetuating a false narrative of Russian meddling and trump being an agent of the Kremlin, utterly uncritically. But any suggestion of fraud is met with high minded "fact checking" and unmoving resistance to the idea of even looking. The press is the enemy of the people, we have to live with that and simply work around it.
The press has been very bad. They let a freakish incompetent clown get within 100 miles of the presidency. Thankfully that has been remedied now, though not without massive loss of human life.
Sorry about those tax and regulation cuts I’m sure are personally very important to you.
Ahh so the press should have totalitarian control over politics in your world view. You truly are a disgusting subhuman
There's a lot of weirdos, tankies and nutters here, but only Tony gives me the creeps reading him.
He writes like a serial killer.
Apropos of nothing, what's the difference between the three, Mother's?
Tankies are weirdos and nutters, but not all weirdos are tankies or nutters.
Sqrls is a nutter but not a tankie, Jeff is a tankie but not a weirdo, White Knight and M4E are tankies (WK pretends he isn't but is just playing the devils advocate) and weirdos but not nutters, Tony is a weirdo and a tankie and a creep.
Hey! I am not a tankie!
I may be a weirdo, a tankie, a Communist, and a creep, but I am NOT! A porn star!
I dunno. Artie is pretty creepy with his rape fantasies.
So as soon as Biden is sworn in you'll start talking about the thousands of lives lost under his leadership too, right? Clarifying because that'd be logically consistent, though I'm sure somehow it'll still be "trump's fault".
To act like either side of the statists have your best interests at heart instead of amassing more power is absolutely ridiculous. Trump or Biden, they're both shit, so enjoy another 4 years of shit sandwich.
No but you will. I have no doubt that all the covid deaths will suddenly matter, and Biden will be responsible for all the ones under Trump because something something Cuomo.
We’re going to see competence in national government again, and it will be quite a contrast.
So you don't have the ability to be consistent in your application of logic, not surprising.
You act like I support trump in some way which is absurd, I didn't vote for the guy and I don't agree with a ton of what he did, exactly how it'll be with Biden, but please continue your pathetic "team red vs. team blue" dichotomy, since your brain can't handle anything outside that simplistic view of politics.
You started by making assumptions about my capacity to reason. I can recognize incompetence when I see it. There is practically no chance that Biden or Socks the Cat could match Trump levels, that’s all.
And your proved that assumption correct by stating current covid deaths are all trump's fault but once biden takes office, deaths will still be trump's fault, meaning you can't be logically consistent and lack capacity to reason.
The correct answer is it's.neither trump nor biden's fault, but that would mean orange man slightly less bad, and your brain can't cope.
Guess what? They're both dumb faggots just like you.
I’m a very well educated faggot, if you please.
That's not surprising, most of the "educated" people coming out of our systems of education completely lack critical thinking skills; it's a feature not a bug.
Lol. Hilarious tony.
Yes, let the hate flow through you. Show us what a bigot you are. And hiding behind a new username, too.
Oh, it's just Tulpa. Nevermind, ignore.
Haha no it isn't!
But I love living in your head rent free!
I can recognize incompetence when I see it.
Thankfully, Joe Biden is a model of competence.
I don’t know about all that, but Democrats, unlike Republicans, value it on principle, so he’ll be surrounded by competent people.
lol
This has GOTTA be satire, man. You can't be saying this sincerely.
Oh, don’t under estimate Sleepy Joe’s incompetence, or his growing incoherence. Nice of the Democrats to commit elder abuse by making him run.
assumptions about my capacity to reason
You're a lefturd. There are no assumptions to make.
-jcr
"We’re going to see competence in national government again"
LMFAO.
>competence
>government
Pick one.
"We’re going to see competence in national government again"...
That sentiment explains a lot. You are fucking deluded.
What a shitty cynical worldview to believe that government is inherently incompetent. Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy on the part of Republicans.
Tony, have you ever heard of Hayek’s “information problem”? Look it up. Let someone know if you have trouble with any two or three syllable words.
Oh honey, the media has no power to ensure that Trump never gets within 100 miles of the WH.
There are so many things I need to tell you...
“They let a freakish incompetent clown get within 100 miles of the presidency.”
But which one? Trump or Biden?
The media let something? Holy fuck. Just openly ask for a banana republic.
like this?
https://t.co/Z4bfBqsks5
They let a freakish incompetent clown get within 100 miles of the presidency. Thankfully that has been remedied now, though not without massive loss of human life.
But enough about the 2000 election.
Well, the good news is that the mesomorphs they have accumulated as fans might end up burning down their buildings if they are ever critical of Biden.
So, of course, they never will be.
Delusional, innumerate, desperate, pathetic clingers are among my favorite culture war casualties.
President-elect Biden will have President-eject Trump removed from the White House on January 20, 2021.
Slack-jawed, superstitious bigots hardest hit.
Biden is a "Slack-jawed, superstitious bigot" so what is your point?
My point is that the sole remaining important point is this: Which comes first, Trump's bankruptcy or Trump's incarceration?
Bankruptcy. Otherwise he's rich enough to buy his way out of prison Epstein style--something both parties are responsible for.
If Trump flees the country to avoid prison, his knowledge of state secrets makes him a national security risk. I'm curious to see how that is handled.
a) Maybe he wasn't paying attention during the briefings. There is that.
b) I'm thinking he'll end up at one of his golf hotels overseas.
c) You are right, he will constitute and remain a security risk for some time.
You never know, he could have sense memory and recall something important because it reminded him of a big Mac he was eating at the time.
His golf courses are all in countries with extradition and generally allies. Well there was a lot of effort to make a foothold in China, so President xi might get lucky there. Maybe he can bunk with Snowden.
Lmfao. This is the same guy who thinks it's insane that fraudulent votes might get overturned by the courts. But it is legitimately in the realm of possibility that Trump flees the country with state secrets after leaving office. HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Biden is a “Slack-jawed, superstitious bigot”
I haven't heard that Biden is superstitious. I know he pretends to be a Catholic, but I've never seen any indication that he's a believer.
BTW, don't forget that he's a rapist like Bubba Clinton.
-jcr
Yup. The courts required all counts to be completed before they would step in and toss ballots and all address all the election fraud.
Keep yapping, lc1789. I have just about finished wiping my political shoes on your tongue, and I think I'll need you to open wider when I get my boots on.
Ahahaha your hero is a senile old man lolo
CRY MOAR, CUNT.
“That is a disservice to Readership.”
Like all the Trump fans here who boast about how they will contribute nothing to Reason during its webathons while congregating on a website Reason is providing to them free of charge? Yeah, right — “readership”.
Ahahaha your hero is a senile old man lolo
"Why doesn't Reason protect me from readings thing I don't like?!?!?!?!?!?!"
Would you like some ketchup with those French Cries?
"You know Binion was just itching to write that Biden won the election."
Maybe he has a college degree . . . or perhaps an advanced degree.
Perhaps he is not a racist or gay-bashing yokel.
Maybe he resides in a modern, successful, educated community.
Or could be he prefers reason to slack-jawed superstition.
There could be many explanations.
Ahahaha your hero is a senile old man lolo!!!
Nah...I'd call it media bias = the motivation behind declaring Biden the winner before the counting has even been completed.
Winners are projected all the time before the counting is competed, you inbred piece of shit.
GO CRY MORE, BITCH.
Hopefully this holds up. I can't wait to be able to ignore Trump once again
Agreed
I'm interested to see if the left continues to feverishly scream Trump for another 4 years even after leaving office. (spoiler: the left will continue to screech autistically about muh racism, muh bigotry, muh gibs and all their retarded shit just as much, if not more)
Just a note that the right pointed to President Carter for years. It alwayed annoyed them that he was a very successful ex-President.
For my self, I will not speak Trumps name once he leaves office.
Oh yes, very successful indeed was he; fight stagflation now!
M4E liked his handling of inflation and killer rabbits.
Seriously?! Hillary is already being declared the power behind the supposed election fraud; just read up higher in this thread.
And Trump's damage to the country and our international reputation with our military and economic allies has to be reversed. That won't happen overnight.
Ahahaha your hero is a senile old man lolo!!!
One symptom of senility is repeating the same thing over and over...
Recounts in WI, MI, PA, NV, AZ, GA
A recount has never matter more than a few hundred votes. Joe has margins very much larger than those in all those states he wants recounts in 🙂 . Face it bro, it's over.
Yeah, but you're forgetting the "millions of votes" that are supposedly going to be thrown out by SCOTUS or some shit, apparently. After that the margins will be small enough for a Trump landslide to emerge from the recounts. Ya just gotta believe me!
Recounts in Georgia, Wisconsin, and apparently Arizona. The other three states are out of range.
Then why are democrats so nervous that they have to wait until december 14 before states and electors declare the election winner?
Normally election fraud only results on a few hundred to a fee thousand ballots being tossed.
Entire state mailin ballot schemes violated article I, sect 4 which only allows state legislatures to change election laws. Not democrat governors. Millions of mailin ballots are not valid, democrat AND republican..
How many recounts have you observed, dumbass?
How many changed counts by more than 200 or 300 -- statewide ?
Watching you flail pathetically is more enjoyable than I expected.
Won’t some of those do a recount if the (broke) Trump campaign pays for it?
Why is the Trump campaign broke? Great question for Parscale...
Partially because Trump even though a billionaire, never spend his own money. Those reader who sent Trump $25, $50, or $100 dollars for the campaign should be congratulated because they donated more than Trump.
Poor Lefties. Thousands of mailin ballots have already been rejected by states for various reasons.
This election is unprecedented on how massive the election fraud is.
Lefties know it too which is why the bots are defending biden so hard.
Where have thousands of mail-in ballots been rejected by states? Please be specific.
Gore, Florida, 2000
Gregoire, Washington, 2004
Franken, Minnesota, 2008
It's hilarious that you inadvertently confessed your inability to stop thinking about Trump. Even more hilarious that you think it will end when he leaves office.
"In health care, Biden advocated a public option—a government-run program that would compete with private insurance. It's a step farther than Obamacare but stops short of the Medicare for All plan championed by his running mate, Sen. Kamala Harris (D–Calif.). "
That's a soft focus way of describing free Healthcare for all people with two feet planted within the social construct that is the us border, something biden is on record supporting.
I broke my wrist in Canada, Canada sent me a bill. Therefor I can only conclude that bidens Healthcare plan goes considerably further than Canada's single payer system.
Reason is so ignorant of reality that they don't understand the public option will undercut actuarial costs. Basically undercutting every insurance provider.
Lol. You learned about actuary science from me correcting you morons on it a few weeks ago.
But if this is true, surely there must be dozens of examples from all the countries who do have a public option, right? I read the heritage report on the matter, and they neatly sidestepped that little bit of real world data, as well.
Every civilized country has single-payer, remember, dumbfuck? There literally exists no country with a "public option" for the rather obvious reason that it's nothing but a stopgap between market insurance and single-payer. If you have the political capital to spend forcing single-payer you don't bother with the stopgap.
Strawmen can't break their wrists.
Amazing how a multi-payer system with a public option is JUST LIKE a single payer system? Right? Right.
Amazing how you support socialized medicine? Nah, not really. You're a Marxist.
I am seeing on Twitter that Arizona is now trending Trump’s way. No way any of this is settled yet.
Flail away, asshole. Some of us enjoy watching you reach for illusory life preservers as you founder in the water of the reality-based world.
He’s some reality for you, news organizations don’t decree who wins an election.
Keep flailing. I just cracked open another beer.
Children shouldn't drink alcohol, though it does explain your behavior.
But they can accurately predict and 99% of the votes are in 🙂 . There won't be any Christmas miracle for Trumpers, just cold hard reality and salty tears.
97% Clinton to win
Biden by 17 points nationwide
Senate goes +7 Democrat
Yep, they sure can. Lmfao
GO CRY MOAR, SHITHEAD.
Always a pleasure to see you Arty. I hope your recovery is going well.
I can't stand Trump, but I'll at least back up the truth that you're right about Arizona. Biden had a 130k lead which has since dwindled to 20k (with 131k votes to count). On the other hand, Trump had a 1 million vote lead in Pennsylvania which dwindled to a 34k (and growing) deficit. Biden doesn't need AZ.
Biden doesn’t need anything other than an endless supply of phony ballots.
This fraud was predicted months ago. The only question is whether Trump prevails in court, or if it’s up to Americans to force the issue in the streets.
"Biden doesn’t need anything other than an endless supply of phony ballots."
And someone to spoon applesauce into his stupid face.
CRY MOAR, BITCH.
🙂 and yet no Trumper have actually offered up any evidence which I'm sure AG bar would be happy to follow up. As usually Trumpers are full of shit.
Other than the multiple thousands of recorded incidents to which you have been linked dozens of times.
The leftist zombies have their marching orders - deny, deny, deny
That 34k is well under the magic 100% biden ballot dumps that happened. I like how statisticians are pointing out the impossibility of these dumps and nobody is batting an eye.
That was a clerical error, you moron. There was never a dump where Biden won every vote. Debunked Trumpkin nonsense, shithead.
The Trump tariffs are gone. Lol. CRY MOAR, BITCH.
I’m not planning on paying very close attention to “media predictions” next election.
next election
Two words that are overly optimistic.
Yeah you just go ahead with that civil war. See you in 15 to 20, rebel.
Fuck off White Knight.
The only thing people did when voting on election day was tell the democrats how many ballots they needed to fabricate on election night.
There isn't a little bit of fucked up fraud, there's mountains of it.
We either sit back and take it, or we don’t. I’m for ending the de o rat machine, with extreme prejudice.
Too fat to run a mile, but you all are gonna overthrow the government, eh?
If you had even a scintilla of evidence, then i would join you. But you don't, and trump doesn't, as evidenced by multiple lawsuits getting dismissed for lack of evidence.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/judges-evidence-trump-campaign-election-cases-tossed/story%3Fid%3D74071460&ved=2ahUKEwink5GJgfHsAhWNsp4KHYeODhUQ0PADegQIChAX&usg=AOvVaw1RPbXjrKab7uSSiHSFiH11
If there is evidence, why won't trump campaign show it? Because there is none. This was the plan all along; it was very obvious. Basically every political analyst wrote about the trump strategy to cast doubt on election results by hobbling the post office, making baseless claims, and suing to prevent mail in ballots from being counted early. Seriously. Look up all the articles, look at Bernie's tweets. Reasonable people saw this coming a mile away. This is the same system that trump claimed was fixed in 2016, until he won. Now it's fraudulent because he lost. This is the thinking of a toddler. Be reasonable.
Why don't you go dump some more ballots in a dumpster?
Maybe you could go put some more pizza boxes up in the windows?
Hey, I know, how about you go make a few oopsies on a keyboard at 4am that give Biden the lead in a couple of swing states?
Maybe you could go 'update' the coting software so it can 'glitch' votes from Trump to Biden?
You could always just move to Milwaukee and vote in every ward a few hundred times?
Try your hand on camera 'fixing' fresh ballots and stamping them?
New anchor at one of them many media companies that can't explain how Democrats lost 8 seats in the house... EIGHT SEATS in the house... gained no senate seats and some how... SOMEHOW managed to win the Presidency?
Fuck off with your bullshit. The only idiots in the room are the ones who think that when the right 'riots' they're going to go loot a Walmart or something.
So...show the evidence. Why are trump lawsuits getting dismissed for total lack of evidence if everything you say is true? All these different judges in different states are all part of the conspiracy too, or there really isn't any evidence. Those are your rational choices at this moment, so which is it?
Heh. "Rational choices"
Five years of constant attacks on facts and Trumper snowflakes couldn't muster a rational thought to save their own lives.
I'm leading a bunch of horses to water, but they just won't drink!
Your heroes are a senile old man and a dirty prosecutor lolololo
Facts like the Steele dossier? The peepee tape? Russian collusion? Ukraine collusion? Lmfao
Then do it, Shitlord. I'm not saying you're wrong if the time comes. Blatant fraud can't be rewarded, or it just happens again and again.
Doubt that Trump's base will get a better chance to fix this than this year, and not after two to four years of a weaponized national security apparatus turned upon them.
The courts are still working. Let's see what they end up saying.
I don't think "blatant" means what you think it means.
One upside to "blatant" is the easy collection and distribution of *evidence*. Yet Trump refuses to share the evidence. Must be under audit by the IRS.
"What about these tens of thousands of incidents?"
THAT'S NOT EVIDENCE! HURRRRR DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Maybe Trump could commission Chris Steele to write up a report on it so you could spend 4 years parading it around like the Dead Sea Scrolls. Lmfao
CRY MOAR, BITCH.
Cry more, Cy.
Maybe you and that Cawthorn guy can get together and try to walk it off.
Old Joe Kennedy stole the 1960 election from Nixon, who decided not to fight it because it was unseemly to do so. Al Gore tried to steal the 2000 election by recounting votes in Florida with his minions slipping a few more in each time, until the Supreme Court said to knock it off.
Joe might pull off the mail-in fraud caper, but Trump isn't going to play by Marquess of Queensberry rules. It wouldn't even surprise me to see Trump run against Joe in the 2024 Democratic primary just to fuck with him.
In the meantime, Joe would be hamstrung by a Republican senate, all the federal judges Trump appointed, and the fact that while his Antifa and BLM goons were burning and looting to their heart's content, Americans armed themselves more than any time since the 1860s.
-jcr
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/germany-says-trump-pouring-oil-fire-potential-constitutional-crisis
"Now is the time to keep a cool head until an independently determined result is available," Maas said in the German media interview. He added that "decent losers are more important for the functioning of a democracy than radiant winners."
"Röttgen further alleged Trump would unlawfully "occupy" the White House in case of Biden being declared victor.
"This is the start of trying to occupy the public realm and to dominate the public opinion and he will then intervene in the process of counting, he will challenge this then by the courts, and we are are going to see days and weeks of fighting and non-acceptance.""
"He added that “decent losers are more important for the functioning of a democracy than radiant winners."
The Allies really did kill all of the ones with balls back then, didn't they? Or they ended up moving here, and building rockets, among other things.
No, the nazis just changed their marketing to gain power, and became globalist who control the west
The 4th Reich was remarkably successful until Britain voted for independence.
-jcr
https://www.foxnews.com/elections/2020/general-results
http://twitter.com/jeffgiesea/status/1325071711952310272?s=19
GoFundMe deplatformed a voter fraud investigation effort involving cross-checking voter records after it raised $220k. This is blatant election interference.
The effort has moved to a new site. Details here:
A reporter, @jmorse_, messaged me saying @gofundme told him they canceled the campaign because of 'attempts to spread misleading information.' When pressed, they couldn't name what was 'misleading.'
Support us on our new platform, @givesendgo.
Why should he be allowed to investigate something that we have no evidence is happening because we're not investigating.
I will donate. Doj needs to investigate the dominion software company as well. An update the night before the election. Never heard of prior.
Pathetic and unamerican. Remember when Republicans had the good grace to be embarrassed by losing the popular vote while winning the election? Now they're outraged that their generous handicap still want enough.
Seriously, how long do you think america would stay whole if djt sued his way to "victory"? Or do you not care?
Lol. The courts are unamerican? Validating the integrity of an election is un-American?
Lol. Go start another fake business as you collect your unemployment.
So bitter. Jealousy is really ugly, Jesse.
Stupidity is really ugly too, cytotoxic.
Lol, he does read a lot like cytotoxic. I thought his head exploded when Trump won in 2016 though.
Anyone whining about fraud without a shred of evidence needs to grow some man balls for fuck’s sake. You’re embarrassing yourselves.
Anyone who spent the last four years caring more about liberal tears than helping any humans can go fuck himself.
It would all be best of the kinds of neurotic people who make wild accusations based on little to no evidence against their political opponents that turned out not to be true would just let the adults handle policy, amirite?
Both sides!!!
Literal Hitler!
Not quite as bad as Hitler is a-OK!
Joe Biden just made a gaffe!!!! Inpeech!!
We can’t impeach um for his crimes, silly. The democrats still have the house.
Yes, "both sides" are piles of dog shit that want to use the cudgel of the state on their opponents, glad you're waking up.
One side’s opponents are poor people, migrants, and people of color. The other’s I suppose are billionaire tax dodgers. They will be fine.
And unions. Don’t forget unions.
Republicans have essentially destroyed those already. And what a wonderful country we have as a result!
You should read the next article over. Democrats tried to shut down Uber and Lyft for the sake of union special interests, so they put it up as a proposition and the voters sided with Uber, handily.
It’s just another case of corporations engaging in politics so the will of the people can triumph over democrats.
Whatever you do, don’t let that sink in.
I think the labor economy needs a total rethink. But it is pretty helpful in a campaign when you can tell people how to vote on your issue via the very app they use to interact with you.
Democrats make it easy when they try to ban popular businesses and work arrangements, especially when the people can directly see and experience the outcomes.
That definitely is a point you can make for me.
The real question is why are democrats trying to force unpopular policies on everyone for the sake of special interests?
Ah, who cares? Poor people!
Yes, the Democrats to have a lot of billionaires, don't they.
Funny how they completely ignore their party being comprised of these power hungry millionaires, but somehow see all of them in the other party. News flash, Biden is supported by tax dodging billionaires, hell it's how he's got multiple homes and is a multi-multi-millionaire himself.
Nevermind those inconvenient facts. Rich people bad! My rich people will fix it!
I like billionaires. I wouldn’t mind being one. In fact, poor people smell bad and make me uncomfortable.
That’s why I’m for making fewer poor people.
That's their business, not yours. Their body, their choice you fucking bigot.
Stealing from others to make yourself feel better is just as immoral.
But somehow getting virus all over everyone is just fine.
non sequitur
Yes, Tony, we know you like getting your GRID on everyone at the bathhouse.
But you support a governmental system that locked down the country for months; in April, the OFFICIAL unemployment rate was 15%!!! If you support that type
Of governmental action, you support making lots and lots of poor people, hypocrite!
You've got to be LARPing as that makes no sense, both sides are comprised of normal people, which is how 70 Million people voted for cheeto elvis.
You're saying there's 70 Million, billionaire tax dodgers?
70 million people who have been conned into thinking billionaire tax rates have something to do with them?
Bitter clinger.
And the other 74 Million voted because they think the billionaires' money should be theirs, which is just immoral theft.
I'm over here voting for everyone to leave each other the fuck alone, too bad there's so few of us.
Yeah yeah you want no government except police to protect you from your slaves.
*yawn* try harder LARPer.
Tony, you’re not good at this. You’re too stupid.
That's offensive to people who's ancestors experienced actual slavery. Not that progressives are consistent about that sort of thing.
Tony is fantastic at this. Invariably, he'll churn traffic in a 400+ comment thread, and about 1/3 to half the traffic are you geniuses trying to get him to admit he's wrong.
I detest his persona, but he's good at what he does.
My Koch paycheck is in the mail I’m sure.
I hope you rub in on the spot that hurts when i laugh at you for making your hero a senile old man ahahahahah
Fine, you want no government except police to protect you from your serfs.
And that’s offensive to people whose ancestors experienced actual feudalism.
More empathy for the victims of feudalism is what I want.
You could just find something useful to do.
Billionaires went for the democrats idiot.
Ok. Shred of Evidence.
This is a statistical method that presents probabilities. Higher leading digits are still legitimately possible, though less likely than lower leading digits. This isn't evidence; it's a useful method for narrowing an audit.
There are plenty of articles online already discussing the math behind this. Having said that, by all means let's review the source of those ballots. I doubt it will matter to the QAnon crowd who aren't deterred by facts but maybe it will do some good for the rare Trumper snowflake that occasionally gets news from unbiased sources.
These guys couldn't tell when a cited stat was population adjusted or gross a few weeks ago, now they are professors of probability. Hilarious.
Ahahahah you don't know the difference between California and Utah but you keep shooting off your dicksucker lololo
Cry more bitch.
https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/05/the-2020-election-fuckery-is-afoot/
This guy states things as facts (election observers for example) that have already been proven false in the first set of failed Trump lawsuits.
He claims to be a former accountant with audit experience. This undermines his credibility.
Ah monsterhunternation.com. That place has all the credibility I need to justify destroying a government system that has ensured peaceful transitions of power for 244 years.
hahaha and the author claims to have survived a street gang hit as a young farmer in Utah. Also claims he stopped a murder while working as a cheese inspector. I am not making this up. https://monsterhunternation.com/about/
JFC. How do you guys screen information for truth/lies? As long as it feeds your preconceived notions, it's good, right?
Your reading comprehension needs some work. He managed to put several gang member initiates into the hospital when their objective was to beat him up for said initiation. He left the state to avoid any possible retaliation for the incident.
Right. In Utah. When he was a young farmer. That's what I said.
Do you find these stories at all plausible? Where in Utah in the 70's or 80's was there street gangs beating up rando's? And where would a farmer run into these gangs, and be identified to the point he had to leave the state. This is malarkey.
ok, DoL, I went to that monster hunter blog and read the first half of the post. The fight he claims to have been in was in California. He wasn't a farm kid in Utah, he was a farm kid in California and then his family moved, but not before the fight thing.
Some farmers are quite connected in unexpected ways. Workforce acquisition sometimes requires connections. They are probably not the ones running around living a thug life, they have to get up early in the morning, but that doesn't mean they're not connected. I don't know about the 1970s but by the late 1980s it's not a crazy assertion. Anyway there are plenty of gangs in Utah nowadays.
Monster guy may be insane. But you got his bio wrong. Now back I go to read more of it.
I hope Biden stays in the bunker until after inauguration. Let 'em do a zoom inauguration.
"Right. In Utah. When he was a young farmer. That’s what I said."
AND YOU WERE WRONG AHAHAHAHAH
There is tons of evidence idiot. Videos, 100% biden baptism dumps. Affidavits. Software "glitches". Pa ignoring a federal order and now a USSC order to segregate ballots. Dem election officials booting gop poll watchers. A box of ballots found late 100% conor lamb to boost him into the lead near end of count.
Lol.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/judges-evidence-trump-campaign-election-cases-tossed/story%3Fid%3D74071460&ved=2ahUKEwink5GJgfHsAhWNsp4KHYeODhUQ0PADegQIChAX&usg=AOvVaw1RPbXjrKab7uSSiHSFiH11
That must be why 4 lawsuits in a row have been dismissed for a complete lack of evidence.
Take control of your emotions.
I think Blue State Jesse should pour his meager life savings into helping the Trump legal team.
100% biden baptism dumps
Now that would be interesting to observe.
Ahahahah your hero is a senile old man ahahahaha
"Anyone whining about fraud without a shred of evidence needs to grow some man balls for fuck’s sake. You’re embarrassing yourselves."
Irony is deep here.
What humans have the crying liberals helped?
Hey Tony, I just heard from Chris Steele that Biden got peed on by Russian hookers in Moscow and paid off Putin to buy the election. There, no you can go spend the next 4 years tied up in knots about Biden's corruption and the necessity of his impeachment.
No ok, it was Ukrainian hookers in Kiev.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/30-states-computer-system-known-be-defective-tallying-votes
Update (1100ET): Further down the 'Domminion Voting System' rabbit-hole, Politico reports that a technology glitch that halted voting in two Georgia counties on Tuesday morning was caused by a vendor uploading an update to their election machines the night before, a county election supervisor said.
Vendor has many connections to the clinton foundation.
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/clinton-global-initiative/commitments/delian-project-democracy-through-technology
What?! Trumpers figured out how to blame this one on Clinton too!
Who woulda thought?
Ahahahah ypur hero is a senile old man ahahaa
YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE
*is presented with evidence*
OH I JUST SUPPOSE YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF THIS! CONSPIRACY THEORY!!!!!!
Tell you what, I'll pay Chris Steele a few bucks to write up a dossier on the Clinton foundation so you can spend 4 years demanding Biden's impeachment.
Remember the whole Diebold conspiracy from 2004? That there was some nefarious conspiracy underfoot between Diebold and the Bush campaign to "steal" the Ohio election in his favor?
That is what this whole 'software glitch' narrative is starting to sound like.
Ahahah your hero is a senile old man ahahahhaha
Keep tonguing Trump's anus and maybe he'll give you the love your daddy never did.
No.
I do remember the Democrats complaining about hanging Chad's and how old people couldn't be expected to match a name with a hole.
Who’s to say that Bush didn’t try to steal Ohio?
You’re acting like these motherfuckers are above any of it.
Eh, that’s fine. I made a massive bet on Biden to win as a hedge against his proposed tax increases. Now, with the GOP senate, that will probably never happen. So it’s like winning twice.
Good for you, spent it wisely.
So just ignoring the proposed regulations of Biden like the idiot you are. Or are those not costs to you?
These tears are so salty.
Pro regulation libertarians are the dumbest lefties out there.
I can’t stop Biden being elected, I can just hedge myself.
Sorry: I can only do so much.
Other than being replaced, not much you will do will matter.
Winning a big bet on Biden matters, to me, at least.
That's the problem with you democrats: you always underestimate the ability of people to hedge their bets. We really don't have to sit here and just wait for more taxes.
I always wonder why you're so violent.
Look, no one ever stopped you from creating your woke socialist Paradise. We just asked not to be drug along.
But your hedging is false since your costs, especially in energy, will go up.
Not when you bet as much as I did.
If you put a million dollars down on Biden in any prediction market you would have made at most $100,000. He was favored to win by an astronomically large margin. If you make $100,000 a year you'll have lost your entire winnings within the first 18 months of a Biden administration.
Of course you're a stupid lying Marxist cunt who likely makes minimum wage part time at Starbucks. Protip for your future LARPing though: check your math first.
I’m sorry, but I’m really not going to start denying reality because you literally believe you know complete strangers better than they know themselves.
https://twitter.com/laralogan/status/1324889308382236672?s=19
What does it mean “we have a list?” Who is “we”? How does a threat that advocates “hate” not violate the extreme censorship currently being implemented by Twitter? Even worse - that this is tolerated, supported, enabled & endorsed.
Speaking of someone intimately familiar with how violent the mob can be.
Indeed.
What Gray_Jay is referencing is the incident where Lara Logan was literally raped by a literal mob of "protesters" while covering Egypt's color revolution.
This is a libertarian blog. Twitter has every right to censor on their platform. If that bothers you, change to a different platform.
It's a Marxist blog, so yeah.
Twitter does have every right to censor on their platform. And they also have the right to lose exemption from generally applicable laws. And furthermore, a rape survivor who has been told she was put on a hit list by a deranged psychopath has every right to complain about it when Twitter fails to censor the deranged psychopath who threatened her while censoring utterly non-controversial and non-violent content from others, in violation of their own terms of service. Just like you have a right to be a stupid fucking piece of subhuman dogshit who bootlicks authoritarian Marxists, and I have the right to tell you and anybody else who asks that you are a stupid fucking piece of subhuman dogshit who bootlicks authoritarian Marxists. See how that works you stupid cunt?
For those keeping score, here is a record of my major predictions.
2018: I said the midterm would be a #BlueWave. I was right.
2019: I predicted the House would #Impeach. Right again.
2020: I guaranteed Drumpf would lose. 3 for 3.
#NotBadForAnAllegedParodyAccount
Waves do come in all shapes and sizes.
Never change. Take lessons from OBL, people.
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1325105731444486145?s=19
The ballots are still being counted, but Joe Biden is already declaring he has a "mandate" on "systemic racism" and AOC is creating a list of people to purge from public life.
Scratch a progressive, find a totalitarian. Time to push back.
Scratch a bigoted slack-jaw . . . and he's still a bigoted slack-jaw.
Ready for the Inauguration Day celebrations, Nardz?
At least the blue wave didn't emerge and we should have 4 years of gridlock, exactly what we libertarians love to see in government.
Can't fuck shit up if you're gridlocked, and make no mistake that's what governments do, and they do it well.
Yes. Trump’s inauguration will be a sight to behold.
https://www.foxnews.com/elections/2020/general-results
I guess the party is over
...said the 500 children Trump separated from their parents and then lost in the system.
...said the loved ones of 230,000+ Americans dead from COVID19.
Said the 500,000 children that will be aborted this year. Oh, wait, those are victims we’re not allowed to recognize?
Well, technically it's the right of the pregnant woman to decide if she'll get an abortion or not. But the good news is that if you get pregnant you can decide not to have an abortion if you don't want one. So if you are anti abortion, you don't have to get one. Sounds fair to me.
... said the 16 year old American citizen murderdroned by Obama
... said the 2,500 American soldiers killed in Afghanistan during Obama's "surge"
... said the 2 million displaced Syrian refugees driven out of their homes by Obama's meddling in Syria
The only difference between your examples and mine are that these are things that actually happened and are directly attributable to Obama. The 500 unaccompanied children whose parents in Mexico refused to take them back were placed into foster care because of policies that predate Trump, and that you lobbied for because it was supposedly inhumane to keep them detained with their parents or guardians. There's no point in even addressing how stupid it is to blame Trump for a virus, let alone point out that about 10% of those 230,000 deaths are people who died FROM Covid 19 rather than WITH Covid 19.
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1325068638236241920?s=19
I'm not saying Democrats are the party of women (in terms of primary influence), but it is worth noting they have announced plans to punish Trump supporters for shit they only imagined happened.
In 2016, Liberal hacks cried. In 2020, Conservative hacks are crying. And round and round we go! I really hope next time around both hacks are crying together!
We can dream.
Again. You cried russia for 4 years dummy.
"Russia" has literal reams of evidence, unlike the crying you and your logic deficient cult are currently engaged in.
No. It didn't dummy.
Read. Just read. The final Senate intel report on the matter makes it very clear. But then again, the mueller report was clear enough, but that didn't prevent the cult from all caps declarations of total exoneration. As if 400 pages was written just to say "nothing to see here".
The fundamental reason i oppose trumpism is the inability to face reality that the cult membership requires. Good decisions are not often made on bad information.
There was no evidence the Russians got Trump elected. There was no evidence that Trump was in cahoots with the Russians. There is rapidly mounting evidence of massive election fraud in all battleground states.
But please, keep spouting your laughable lies.
I never said there was evidence that Russians changed the outcome. That would be Comey, if anyone.
There is evidence of Trump campaign members being in cahoots with Russia. Just because you refuse to read it, does not make it false.
There is also undeniable evidence of obstruction by Trump. I'd say that the risks and rather central role he took in the cover up make it pretty fuckin likely he was in on the treason.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
When pressed about his incessant whining about the Russia hoax, he doubles down and whines more about the Russia hoax.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"“Russia” has literal reams of evidence"
Reams is a weird way to describe literally none.
Then you myst not be aware of the 3 official reports on the matter. 1500 some pages of evidence among them.
AHAHAHAHA your hero is a senile old man and you were never in the service ahahahah
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-report-russian-interference-2016-us-election/
AHAHAHAHA your hero is a senile old man and you were never in the service ahahahah
alao that link says you're wrong lololo
So, literally not one single shred of evidence of what you claimed. Thanks for providing the evidence of that. If you could read you'd be fucking dangerous.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1325101709987897352?s=19
Trump has election cases in the federal courts and the AOC people are putting federal judges on lists
...and the socialists embrace a form of neo-McCarthyism.
When Marxists do it, they do it pogrom style
https://twitter.com/thebradfordfile/status/1324947684352987137?s=19
Joe Biden has 74 million votes and Democrats did not flip one single state house. Which means a TON of voters only filled out the top of the ticket.
Weird, eh?
Not really. You may be underestimating the level of TDS out there. I have no problem believing that tons of people out there only wanted Trump out of office without knowing or caring anything about any other race. You'd think if those were fake ballots, they'd all be straight ticket Dem so they can take the Senate too.
Unless they had massive amounts they had to produce in a limited time frame, and/or weren't concerned with much else but the presidency because all that's needed for them is to take the presidency and get rid of Trump
Didn't put a lot of thought into that, did you?
You don't think Senate control is also important for whatever evil plot Hillary has come up with?!
Don't think state legislatures matter for gerrymandering the vote Blue?
How will they accelerate their child sex and cannibalism ring without these wins?
For gawd's sake, if you're going to be a raving conspiracy lunatic, at least have the common courtesy to be an amusing one.
We’re really past talking it out. Let’s just settle this shit once and for all.
I really think we should. Why don't you try it?
I think that fat larpers with their ATF approved ar 15's getting shredded by 30mm cannon fire would be a good reminder why we use a system of elections to decide who is in power.
So your idea of having it out is calling Daddy Gov to come in and do your fighting?
Fitting
I think putting bullets through the skulls of your well-trained army of Garrett Foster's would be amusing for the 30 or 40 minutes it would take.
You're not intelligent
I heard an interview with a first-time voter. It was actually a little scary. The voter said that she (I think) thought was prepared to vote, but when she got to the election booth, she was just dumbfounded by all the choices. "What are all the other names on the ballot, I thought I was just voting for President???" That was the gist of it. So no it is not unbelievable at all to think that a lot of people, whether on purpose or unintentionally, voted against Trump and just left the rest of the ballot blank.
Or maybe there are a lot of center-right people out there, like in the suburbs, who broadly favor conservative ideas but who are disgusted with Trump the man and voted against him, but in favor of their Republican state legislators?
Nope, it's gotta be fraud! That's the only explanation!
Hey, remember last week's talking points when you were saying that the downballot slaughter from Trump would bring in a blue wave in the senate and house? Lmfao.
"The Apprentice: Presidential Edition" cancelled after four years.
Chicom-19 killed the Trump administration, as did the guy Trump sees in the mirror every day. We will see how long President Harris can rule after voters understand they will again be picking up the tab for NATO, every kid in college, and every ill immigrant who manages to make it across the border.
https://twitter.com/themodalice/status/1324841371543334912?s=19
What's that you ask? Just military ballots found in a dumpster in Georgia.
I guess that shit got deleted right quick. Must have been fake news.
Deleted by Twitter. Must have been real.
Military votes may well be for Biden. Trump's pissed off a lot of the military.
No, he hasn’t. The military loves Trump. Maybe not the Lbama installed generals, but everyone else does.
Deleted by twitter because trump passes on lies and conspiracy theories that benefit him. This is also why he lost the election.
I'm assuming he's referring to this:
https://twitter.com/Steve79710920/status/1324788646067818498
Like all claims by random people on Twitter that I can't find anywhere else, MSM or otherwise, I'm doubtful it's true. Can't hurt to follow up on though.
"Love Big Brother, for he owns your trust"
I just fucking said they should look into it, dude. You’re the one who trusts whatever some random asshole says on Twitter so long as it confirms your beliefs.
Trump has called for not counting military ballots so if these really are military ballots, must have been tossed by a Republican.
Uh huh. Sure.
Actually true. Overseas military vote by mail. I did when stationed in South Korea. Those votes are subject to your home state's laws. For example, in California, we received our ballots the first week of October when mailed to a local address. When mailed through the APO, it took quite a bit longer. And then you had to mail it back and the time it took to come back from overseas was again longer. So it was very likely that the ballot was going to arrive after election day. Since Trump is declaring balance received after election day are fake, this includes balance from military members stationed overseas. Therefore, Trump is including military ballots in those he says should not be counted.
But given that he is called military members losers, and doesn't understand why they would bother serving as they do, I'm sure he isn't all broken up over it.
Balance/ballots. Doh! Autocorrect.
So all you had to do was fabricate something Trump never said, and hey presto, you almost made a point!
Well well well. The fascist in office, to say nothing of the fascist Trump supporters here, get repudiated! Even the bogus electoral college couldn’t save y’all!
It’s wonderful to hear his whining along with all the whining from the phony libertarians here. It makes this even sweeter! Keep yer crying...I’m enjoying it!
Best,
Jack
I wish I didn't enjoy the crying of the fake Libertarian Trump bootlickers as much as I do, but....I just can't help it. Their tears are so delicious!
Indeed. It’s great seeing all the conspiracy theories about vote counting (where’s Reason’s conspiracy expert Walker? Strangely silent), how SCOTUS will save them, and then the weak-kneed threats they blurt out. Their mental anguish is a beautiful thing!
Maybe they'll stop shitting up the board with their populist bullshit, but that's highly unlikely. It takes years to convert from a standard party to libertarianism. Unlearning all the fucked up shit you were brainwashed with is a really long, lonely process.
Youre not aibertarian dummy. Youre giddy someone who proposed an even greater expansion of the federal government won. Stol pretending youre a libertarian fuckwad.
Based on government spending and addition to the debt, Trump is the most spendingest, biggest government president we've had since FDR. 7 trillion added to the debt in 4 years, despite a great economy for 3 of those years.
You're not honest, Jesse. You don't care about the size of government or debt. I don't know why you're still wearing that mask. We all know what's beneath.
How fucking retarded are you? It is 11 trillion alone on Joe's website fucktard. Pelosi budget was almost double what trump asked for.
You are so dumb no wonder you got kicked out of the armed services.
More slander? Jesse is in a full blown meltdown. You hate to see it.
He never served. He’s a liar. Stolen valor by a cowardly progtard piece of shit.
I have offered a bet of money and loser has to leave the board for good to prove who I am to a neural 3rd. You pathetic cowards have all declined.
I served the USA in combat. I was cited for valor in combat. If you want to challenge that, propose a 3rd and put your money where your bitch ass mouth is. Barring that, you should feel enough shame to keep your slander to yourself.
Ahaahah your hero is a senile old man and you are still lying ahahjaaja
Two things Republicans and their loyalists here will always be laughed at for:
1. Debt matters.
2. Character matters.
They’re nothing but yappers on those two issues, but they’ll run it up the flagpole all the time.
Aahahaha your hero is a senile old man hahajja
Escrow.com
set it up.
Obama doubled the debt in his first 4 years, but sure, let's look at nominal dollars AFTER that baseline, because surely nobody will recognize our rank sophistry and constant lying.
Mmmm keep crying bootlicker, your tears have such a fine vintage
"Trust big media, trust big tech, trust the corporations and universities, trust big government career politicians... bootlicker!"
"Trust randos on Twitter!"
Or videos, statistics, logic.
http://twitter.com/APhilosophae/status/1325135291791839232?s=19
I think it's time for the Senate to stop approving judges and cabinet officials on 1/20 and to start investigating Biden's selling of the country to China at the expense of all other things.
Of course you do...but giving up so soon? What about the recounts? Lawsuits? State legislatures determining their own electors? Militias?
Come on...you can block the will of the voting public well before January, no? After all, you voted for a fascist named Trump, right?
OK. Do you think that's going to happen? Even with the Turtle running the Senate? I don't.
'We must move past this evil conspiracy theorizing, and come together as Americans..." blah, blah, blah. Mitch might have an investigation into the laptop. Maybe. That will go just as far as the Russia dossier emails went. Maybe Biden gets punted early. He's still going to be sworn in, unless things change.
The uniparty wants this, and for Americans to no longer be distracted by that nationalistic populist. The GOPe would rather rule over their dungheap, than have their party prosper with Trump hogging the spotlight.
We're in for some bad times. But at least you guys will likely get your weed, mushrooms, and whatever else you need to stay distracted. It won't be all bad.
If you want a nationalistic populist, you're going to have to come up with a better one, perhaps someone who is grounded in reality and does more than just reflect Fox News pundits.
Well, here is a rare point of agreement. I fully support investigating Biden to within an inch of his life.
That's an odd change in stance since you've been saying for the past year that there is nothing to investigate about Biden and that his son has not benefiting in any way from his political connections.
Hey, I wonder if maybe you're just a really stupid lying piece of shit named cytotoxic who handle hopped to chemjeff after you spent 3 weeks raging after Hillary lost.
https://twitter.com/BrianClowdus/status/1325120486863491073?s=19
Does anyone find it strange MSM calls the race minutes before Trump scheduled press conference?
No
Nardz, the world's greatest media detective, is uncovering (yet another) massive conspiracy involving thousands of people across the USA.
They called the race the moment Pennsylvania got out of automatic recount range.
Which makes sense. Joe's lead became insurmountable, so they called it.
No, it isn’t. Not once the fraudulent ballots are expunged.
he said, without citing any evidence.
I heard it from Chris Steele. There, no I have just as much evidence as you do of Russian collusion. Remember upthread how you said the Steele dossier constituted mountainous reams of evidence?
No. Why should I?
https://twitter.com/ScottFantasy/status/1324959227757158401?s=19
Is it a coincidence that Dominion Voting is in bed with you guessed it... The Clinton Foundation?
Just pause for a moment and consider that a widespread election software system that was used in virtually every swing state in the 2020 election is called "Dominion."
"DOMINION."
If that doesn't send *chills* up your spine, nothing will.
Welp... @SpeakerPelosi FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF IS CEO OF TECH COMPANY, APPROVED BY @GaryPeters who was losing to @JohnJamesMI in this race!
Software company called Dominion Systems.
Handcount every state using it.
Totally bo fraud though. Just ignore the discovered "glitches"
https://twitter.com/KMCRadio/status/1325059030310658048?s=19
UPDATE: This software system with the almost undetected “glitch” that switched 6000 votes to @JoeBiden in MI, & used in 47 counties there, is also used in every single swing state that had miraculous 100k+ vote dumps that went 100% Biden in the middle of the night...
The glitch was fixed and didn't affect votes in other counties. I know facts don't mean anything to Nardz. He takes vague unverifiable anecdotes on an internet forum as "mountains of evidence" of fraud. Goddamn the level of stupid on here never ceases to amaze me.
Wow, something is definitely there!!
Dominion Voting -
Part of The Delian Project which is partnered and affiliated with
- The U.N.
- Gov of Canada.
- International Foundation for Electoral Systems (leading in US use)
Corporation Director JOHN HOLLINS who also is the director of "Canadian Association for the Club of Rome" (Entirely a Climate Change "Club") like a lefty-rag on steroids.
I'm usually not a global conspiracy fan - but this stuff is frightening.
And to fill in more of the ties --
John Hollins and David Pollock are both directors of "Canadian Association" of which David Pollock is also a Director of.....
CreativeWare Dist.
Character Animation TEch.
DAF Dev Alternatives
(unnamed company?)
Greenpeace Canada Charitable Foundation
Tiger Technology Holdings
4G Software Inc.
So we have our voting machines made by a company in-bed with the U.N. who is also in bed with Greenpeace & multiple Software outlets..
You’re a filthy progtard liar, and your claims are meaningless. You should also commit suicide.
That was meant for killallrednecks. Reason glitched the posting...... again.
Right the computer fucked-up, not the guy with 1 functioning brain cell.
lol... Contrary to you argument computers don't even have 1-functioning brain cell. It's all and completely controlled by a human brain somewhere.
What claims of mine are wrong? Sorry Trump lost? Move on dude!
We gotta come together if we're gonna get this country on track. I'll tone down the Mormon rhetoric if you admit the election/voter fraud accusations are just Trump being a sore loser?
If you really believe what Trump says then kill yourself because you're a goddamn fucking moron.
I'll make that deal after a few weeks of solid in-depth investigation IF and ONLY if it's allowed to happen.
So have a recount. Chain of custody for ballots has been maintained, right?
Nothing is settled until the Electors vote. And that isn't for another month. Despite what our wholly corrupt media says about it.
^THIS; The biggest question - is there a raw-paper trail still in existence?
The glitch was fixed and isn't affect any other counties. I know facts don't matter to you, but they do to non-Trumpers. Nardz believes posts on a comment section like "100,000 Biden votes appear in swing states. Massive fraud according to election people" is mountains of evidence.
If there is/was fraud it will be exposed. Pointing to unverifiable conjecture in a comment section isn't "mountains of evidence" and only discredits you. Normal people shouldn't need that explained to them, but you Trumpers are really stupid I guess.
Fixed? Sure it was. We believe you.
From the Detroit Free Press
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/antrim-county-vote-glitch-software-update/6194745002/
LANSING A failure to update software was the reason for a computer glitch that caused massive errors in unofficial election results reported from Antrim county, the Michigan Department of State said late Friday.
"The erroneous reporting of unofficial results from Antrim county was a result of accidental error on the part of the Antrim County clerk," the state agency that oversees elections said in a news release.
There was no problem with the voting machines or vote totals, which were preserved on tapes printed from the tabulators, the state said. The problem occurred when the totals by precinct were combined into candidate county-wide totals for transfer to the state, using election management system software, the state agency said in a news release.
"All ballots were properly tabulated. However, the clerk accidentally did not update the software used to collect voting machine data and report unofficial results."
State officials did not immediately respond to questions about whether they track when and how local officials update their election-related software or whether local officials are required to report needed updates to the state, once they are completed.
But they said any such errors in any county would be caught during the canvassing process, before results are declared official, when boards composed of two Democrats and two Republicans compare the numbers on the tapes printed from the tabulators to the unofficial results that were reported to the state.
Antrim County on Thursday posted updated and revised numbers for the presidential and U.S. Senate races after discovering major errors in the numbers the county initially sent to the Secretary of State's Office. The effect of the errors gave higher-than-accurate vote totals to Democratic candidates in the heavily Republican county.
The revised numbers — arrived at after manually entering the results from printed tabulated tapes for all 16 precincts — show the northern Michigan county is still red, just not as dark a shade as it was in 2016.
The county is reporting Republican President Donald Trump beat Democrat Joe Biden by about 2,500 votes, with Trump receiving 56% of the slightly more than 17,000 votes cast for president and Biden receiving 42%.
Political observers had expressed shock early Wednesday when the county transferred numbers to the state showing Biden beating Trump by about 3,000 votes. Antrim is a Republican stronghold where local GOP officials have mostly run unopposed in recent elections.
In 2016 in Antrim County, Trump got about 62% support, beating Democrat Hillary Clinton by about 4,000 votes.
County Clerk Sheryl Guy told the Free Press Wednesday that officials sent the initial results to the state without checking them. But they later asked: "How could Democrats take over this county?" she said.
Because most counties in the state — especially smaller ones — use the Dominion Voting Systems equipment that Antrim County does, concerns were raised this week about whether other county results could have been posted with errors.
But that's not the case, according to the Department of State, which stressed in the news release that the votes were correctly tabulated and the printed tapes showing the results were also accurate in Antrim.
"In order to report unofficial results, county clerks use election management system software to combine the electronic totals from tabulators and submit a report of unofficial results," the release said. "Because the clerk did not update software, even though the tabulators counted all the ballots correctly, those accurate results were not combined properly when the clerk reported unofficial results."
This independent look at the data seems to say otherwise --
https://noqreport.com/2020/11/11/data-deep-dive-on-dominion-voting-systems-offers-incontrovertible-proof-of-election-hack/
I hear this is all a hit job by the Trilateral Commission, who actually oversaw the building of the machines. The design came from the 2012 Bilderberg meeting which took place in a Masonic temple built by the Knights Templar in Germany. The Trilaterals used technology from the lizard people which they brought with them from their home on Sirius. I've been telling everyone at the bus stop this for weeks and people just offer me loose change and smile. When will the sheeple wake up?
nice....
If you are an idiot sure. So youre just ignoring the actual known vote switches in 3 counties now? You really are a smart one.
Sarcasmic loves big brother
Could have been written by Nardz, circa 2004:
https://inthesetimes.com/article/was-the-2004-election-stolen
Did the Bush-Cheney campaign engage in electronic vote fraud to ensure that George W. Bush would be president for another four years? That is a question every small‑d democrat should be asking.
Much has been written on the Internet alleging that the election was stolen. Some writers are members of the tin-foil hat brigade, but others provide sober analysis of the election results that raise disturbing questions.
Unfortunately, thanks to the herd instinct in our current media culture, anyone who publicly raises this question is immediately labeled a conspiracy theorist.
Of course it was investigated and found lacking, whereas we are supposed to dismiss this without investigation. But other than that it's exactly the same. Good work, cytotoxic!
Former President Dewey sends his congratulations.
Think of all the children who will learn that being president isn’t 100% about whining on Twitter.
Truly it shows that anyone can be President.
They'll learn that molesting young kids and selling the country out for a cokehead son is what being presidential is all about.
Isn't it tho?
No see Trump and his vile offspring are leaving power.
Trump's kids don't do crack or sell the country out.
Biden, meanwhile, is a pedorast.
The Trumps don’t fuck their own children or their nieces and nephews either. Hunter Biden has been molesting his niece fo at least the last few years, and Joe Biden’s daughter talked about how she thinks she was molested, and how Joe took ‘inappropriate showers’ with her.
Shouldn't you be busy interviewing assassin candidates?
I wouldn't interview such types. I certainly have no intentions of attacking the incompetent.
I just wouldn't mourn too much if something unpleasant occurred.
But Biden and his drug-using son are moving in, soooo...
They've still got to keep counting Biden ballots to make sure he's beyond the margin for triggering an automatic recount.
This guy fucks.
Has Joe Biden been notified that he's a senator-elect now?
So where are the GOP riots?
Too busy reloading cartridges
Lol. Please do it. I can't wait for an apache to do a single guns hot run on your obese asses. Being a fat ass with a plate carrier and an ar 15 doesn't make you powerful.
Yea, that's not how these things work, hypothetically speaking. Remember antifa telling cops they know where they live and reciting the names of the cops' children?
Yeah yeah. Whatever fantasy you obese soldier of fortune readers want to believe.
You don’t know anything about the military, so you shouldn’t bother talking about it.
You are a delusional loser.
Your hero is a senile old man ahahahahaa
But they did it mostly peacefully Ra's. Just like people calling for the names of Trump supporters today on Twitter. Mostly peaceful. Maybe a little boisterous.
There's something seriously wrong with you.
Hey look, cytotoxic wants an all-powerful central state to machine-gun entire cities full of their own citizens if they exercise their constitutional rights.
But remember kids, Trump is a fascist because he sent US Marshals to prevent a bunch of pasty white kids in Portland from burning down a federal building after locking people inside.
They're filing frivilous lawsuits based on imaginary fraud.
Dems protested and a small minority caused trouble.
Far right Trumpers will claim the election was stolen based on no evidence. It'll be interesting how low they go. They're incredibly stupid so they're incredibly dangerous.
Questioning the intelligence of others, with a screen name of “Kill All Rednecks”; irony is a concept you’ve never been introduced to, isn’t it? And I’m think that any half-sober redneck would disappear you in the woods faster than you could finish your decaf soy latte.
My name's a hyperbolic joke. I'd outsmart most rednecks seeing as how I'm not inbred and have more than a 4th grade education.
You can't even outsmart the kids you keep trying to coax into your van, pedophile.
Even if there was evidence of fraud you still wouldn't believe or you'd excuse it and explain it away. That's the type of person you are. So you don't really have any place to make judgments about the character of others.
The small minority you speak of is still large enough to do a lot of damage so is still a problem. Man, you'll just excuse anything away as no big deal.
No if there was evidence of fraud id be interested in what happened, who's responsible, and how to prevent it in the future. I don't care what party did it, because it's wrong.
While not as bad claiming there's rampant fraud with no evidence in an effort to deligitamize an election because you could lose is really bad too.
Shows how morally bankrupt a lot of Trump supporters are. They get enraged over hypothetical cheating, but when Trump uses other forms of trickery and deceit to affect the election they don't give a crap.
Trump might actually be more fun out of office than he was in office. Even without the presidency, he remains a wealthy and powerful man with the means to make plenty of trouble. And given that he knows he’s likely been cheated, I won’t be surprised if he makes a jihad over bringing down the establishment that shafted him.
If he’s good and truly pissed off, he could be plenty more dangerous out of office than he ever could have been in it. Whatever else, I doubt he takes this sitting down.
He’s pretty good at treason, if nothing else.
Sorry, but if you don’t have absolute proof of that, your statement is false.
Conspiracy theory nonsense. Don't accuse people on the right of doing that when you do it yourself, hypocrite.
Hypocrisy is all Tony has.
"jihad" what a perfect choice of words. Haaaahahaha.
I dunno. He wasn’t that much fun before. Overpriced Golf courses and hotels, crappy frozen steaks, Trump U for suckers, Golden toilets, trophy wives, tv show I never watched, failed casinos, airline.
I hear Jill Biden makes a decent egg salad.
That poor pathetic multibillionaire celebrity playboy. Truly a sad life he's led. Not dignified and productive like Echospinner. Lmfao
Or he could go out and nobody pay any attention to him ever again.
More likely is he keeps a niche. Trump has been compared to talk radio in that he has a loyal following that is small. His tweets got attention because he was President, when Citizen Trump tweets it may be ignored.
Actually the difference between ignored by most and ignored by all is pretty small.
You will be hanging on every word he posts on Twitter for as long as he lives, and he'll probably give you a stroke and outlive you to boot.
Are you crazy? He's been great for ratings. The media won't stop paying attention to him.
Even without the presidency, he remains a wealthy and powerful man
Well, that remains to be seen. He'll still be wealthy despite being tied up in multiple law suits for years. He'll have very little power without the Republican Party, but he may still be able to influence voters from some sort of pulpit, which may or may not be Twitter.
Trump will be out of politics one way or the other inside of 12 months. Watch.
The democrats party should be overthrown and destroyed. Progressives should all be purged from the government and any positions of power. Think McCarthyism times ten thousand.
These people are now an existential threat to our liberty. Deal with them as such.
First you'll have to get out of your mobility scooter though.
Ahahaha your hero is a senile old man aahahhaj
How do you know he's overweight?
Projection. cytotoxic has already admitted on his other socks that's he a fatass. Then he got picked on for being a fatass and it really hurt his feelings. So now he calls everyone else a fatass.
I've concluded we need to maintain a policy of regime change for countries with progressive governments. War games and a carrier off the coast of New Zealand, stat!
Predictions: 1) Reason will go on the attack against the new president, as it always has for 50 years, and some commenters will whine that it is unfairly biased against BidenhertimeHarris administration.
2) Those who said Biden was mentally healthy will soon be calling for the 25th amendment to be invoked, and those who were claiming he is in the throes of dementia will be claiming he is mentally competent and there is no reason for Harris to succeed him.
They'll attack a little bit while whining about McConnell blocking President Harris' appointments. They'll celebrate neo-liberal policies as central planning in "the right direction" and remind us that FULL COMMUNISM is just a fringe of the coalition like the Tea Party used to be.
Some commenters...
Does anyone really give a shit what the twenty or so shut-ins who have camped out here for the last 10 years have to think? I occasionally come here out of nostalgia for what the site was in the Ron Paul years. Now it just seems to be fake Libertarians of both stripes coming here to sockpuppet and yell at each other. I understand the satisfaction of seeing your own words on the internet, but this place is just sad. This place is the internet equivalent of the lunch line at a school for retards. Go ahead, fight for that jell-o cup. No one cares what goes on here.
Damn dude. Same on everything. RP years were the best here, and in the GOP.
The Quality of the commenters has really gone down. You used to get a variety of opinions. Most distrusted the president no matter which party they were part of. Now it's like 90% Trump lovers trying to see who can get Trump's Dick furthest up their ass.
Or, you know, people saying that all people of a certain faith should be executed. Like yourself, for instance.
I'd leave them alone i they'd leve me and the country alone. Its self defense. No one is forcing them to worship a perverted con artist, but they for some reason feel the need to force their wrong, bullshit beliefs on everyone else
Right, so basically the excuse for every genocidal movement ever. Got it.
I'm just pointing out the stupidity it takes to lament a lack of diversity of thought on a message board where you routinely call for people to be killed because of their beliefs. But hey, calls for mass murder are getting more popular on here, so at least you'll have company.
Yeah it's sad the far rigt Trump loons want to purge our country of people not like them.
Apples and oranges. What Mormons are doing is evil and wrong. They breed like rabbits to outnumber everyone else, and try to convert everyone they come in contact with so they get as many morons on their side as possible. Given the chance they will ban any non Christian or Jewish religion, expand the war on drugs, restrict civil liberties, and adopt a super aggressive foreign policy that will have us in multiple never ending wars.
I'm trying to stop these monsters. I'm a goddamn patriot.
I think you meant to say “goddamn idiot”.
Progressives are incapable of patriotism, as everything you do is treasonous. In fact, you commit treason with every breath you take.
Perhaps you should breathe no more. That would be the most patriotic thing you could ever do.
You wonder why were so divided? "You disagree with me therefore you hate America!" Just like all the Cons during the Iraq war who said those who opposed the war need to leave.
Why don't you get back to fucking your sister and leave the political discussion to the grown ups?
You're not a patriot. You're an anti-Christian fanatic. Yeah, Mormon beliefs are misguided and false but your beliefs of what their motivations are just the conspiratorial ravings of paranoid nutjob. Christians aren't trying to convert you by force. You have the right to reject it. Christians respect your autonomy. It's your soul. Where do you get the idea that Trump supporters want to purge the country of anyone not like them? More conspiratorial hyperbolic ravings.
I'm not anti-christian! I'm not religious myself, but my family is Christian, Baha'i, and Jewish. I'm all for people having different beliefs.
Mormons are the ones who are against religions that don't fit with theirs. They know they need evangelical support so they're careful not to offend christians, but given the chance they'd force Mormonism on everyone. They definitely would ban any non-christian or Jewish Faith's.
I don't know where you got that I was anti Christian? The right wing christians with a persecution complex piss me off. However they piss off other christians too because they make christians look bad/dumb. I don't like far right christians who wanna make the country a "Christian nation," but there are plenty of christians who'd agree with me.
I don't know where you got I was anti-christian? I'm anti-mormon!
It's anecdotal, but on these comments you see people(shitlord of wood chipper, Sevo) talking about getting rid of liberals or progressives all the time.
Most the Trump supporters on here are dumb as shit, so I expect them to confuse easily.
They offered no substantive criticism of Obama in 8 years, and have openly campaigned for Biden. You're dumber than a fucking rock.
Don't forget the current Trump supporters will whine and cry that Reason isn't critical enough while bitching and moaning that Reason doesn't cover the stories that they feel are important.
that was supposed to be a reply to creech
You failed like the bitch that you are.
Shouldn't you be watching cops fuck your wife?
Broken.
They raise objections about something and it's whining and crying; you raise objections about something...and...it's...not?
Everyone talks about this RACE problem and says that this RACE problem will be over when the third-world pours into EVERY White country and ONLY into WHITE countries.
Everyone says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY White country and ONLY White countries to “assimilate,” that is, intermarry, with all those non-Whites.
They’re pushing White Genocide!
They claim they are “anti-racist”, what they are is anti-White.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.
Fuck off troll
Yet white people never seem to wait for an invitation when they occupy brown people’s countries.
Well, that stopped for the last 4 years. But don't worry, Tony, whites will show those dark-skinned folks that they really are as incompetent as progressives truly believe them to be.
White men, the keepers of supposed western civilization... they have not been sending their best.
Which is why I was quite happy not getting involved in more wars. Those days are ending.
And it's important that we insure that poor, dark skinned folks have no chance to pull themselves out of poverty by idiotic environmental mandates. I mean, progs NEED their domestic help.
Man you guys are absolutely shameless in peddling fossil fuels to poor people. It’s like a sad QVC thing at this point.
Gee, only reliable source of energy out there that doesn't require massive subsidies to even exist.
How dare we not expect the poor to have billions extra to spend on boondoggles.
Of course it requires massive subsidies. Apart from the massive subsidy of permitting a private entity to claim rights to the world’s increasingly limited oil supply. Who gave that to them?
Care to discuss the environmentalism of what is needed to get the rare earth minerals required for your green utopia?
No, because Tony doesn't actually care about the earth or the environment.
Your self-hatred is pitiful. Also, nice dodging his criticism of progressive racism.
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These racist trolls show up at such times. They have no place here.
Beat it. I'd call you a supremacist, but you couldn't spell it.
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I think Biden's an honorable man and will be a good president.
You forgot 'sarc'.
Why is everyone acting like it's a done deal? They're still counting, there are court challenges, and there will be recounts.
He'd have to win recounts in multiple states(not likely) and the courts aren't dumb enough to rob Biden of a victory.
Their heads would be on pikes.
In a western democracy, why would their heads be on pikes? That’s the kind of thing you saw in the French Revolution, or the Russian Revolution... oh, wait.
I'm not advocating violence, but people are fucking sick of the looney far right controling everything. If cons were smart theyd work with moderates on reform so they can still have some say.
the looney far right controling everything
loool.. by what metric?
Because to everyone not currently in a cult, it's a done deal. There is no realistic way to expect recounts to flip results in the 3 states trump would need them to. Likewise with the faithful elector strategy.
Its not the recounts....its the lawsuits. Very much doubt Trumps lawyers and staff would be pursuing this course if they didnt know something,
Public relations to make it look like they're putting up a good fight. I think they will prevail and have the sequestered votes in Pennsylvania remain uncounted, but that's not enough votes to give Trump the state. Most of their lawsuits are going to get thrown out for lack of evidence. At least Trump is helping to fight unemployment by giving law clerks paying jobs. (Assuming he doesn't stiff them.)
They know their boss will never admit he lost and will try everything to stay in power. Time to find out how spineless Pence, McConnell and all the other Repubicans are. It's a sad state of affairs when Romney, a piece of shit Mormon, is the voice of reason.
Really? You very much doubt they wouldn't throw a few Hail Mary passes?
Lol. They've had 4 lawsuits dismissed for lack of evidence. And trump campaign is already deep in debt. Someone tell donny to start singing, cause it's over.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/judges-evidence-trump-campaign-election-cases-tossed/story?id=74071460
When Trump's lawyers took their complaint about election observers being denied sufficient access to watch the processing of ballots, U.S. District Judge Paul Diamond appeared startled when the lawyers then acknowledged that the observers had, in fact, been permitted within 15 feet of the poll workers.
"I'm sorry, then what's your problem?" said Diamond.
In Georgia this week, a judge rejected the campaign's effort to force Chatham County to separate and account for late-arriving ballots over a concern that the county may be mishandling ballots, an allegation based on an incident involving one out-of-state poll worker involving just 53 ballots. The judge said he saw "no evidence" to back up the claim.
And just hours later, a Michigan judge denied the campaign's effort to halt absentee ballot counting in Macomb County, Michigan, home to Detroit, over allegations that Trump campaign observers were not given "meaningful access" to observe the process.
"Come on now," Michigan Judge Cynthia Stephens said while looking over the evidence presented by the president's lawyers, which alleged a poll watcher had been instructed to back-date late-arriving mail-in ballots to make them count. "What I have, at best, is a hearsay affidavit."
Most recently, a judge in Nevada on Friday night denied an effort to toss out signature-verification machines in Clark County, home to Democrat-stronghold Las Vegas, based on what the campaign said was "lax procedures for authenticating mail ballots." U.S. District Judge Andrew Gordon said he didn't think the Republican Party arrived in court with "sufficient evidence" to support its claims.
As part of the lawsuit, the Nevada GOP also attempted to get closer-up access for observers -- similar to demands in Pennsylvania and Michigan. The party's lawyer argued that observers should be close enough to hear everything poll workers were saying. The judge pushed back, asking what they would do if someone was soft-spoken.
"At what point does this get ridiculous?" the judge asked.
Ahaahah your hero is a senile old man haahhh
"It's all over, the election judges in the districts where impropriety is being alleged have said so!"
Holy fuck you're dumb. This goes to the federal courts you colossal fucking retard. Nobody's counting on Ozzie Myers to rule against the election fraud scheme he put in place.
What is your theory of federal court jurisdiction to invalidate state election results?
If Trump´s lawyers know something, why are their lawsuits getting routinely dismissed?
Other than the 2 they've already won?
I love how you just lump anyone who is skeptical into a Trump worshiping cult. Totally not partisan or collectivist of you. And you have the audacity to say you're a libertarian.
Didn't 8000 military votes in Georgia get stopped? If there's a recount won't those get counted?
Didn't Biden have 200,000 votes stolen in Texas?
The commenters on here think vague ramblings in a internet forum prove voter fraud if it hurts Trump. If there was/is voter fraud it will be exposed.
Rabbit season! Duck season!
Whatever. Back to the war machine.
Because they've got a narrative to build.
The radical right never accepted Biden's victory and has been trying to delegitamize, overturn, and cheat President elect Biden out of his victory since before the election began. They are too stupid and inbred to accept that they're a minority. An increasingly shrinking minority. The GOP has lost the popular vote in 7/8 last President elections. Hopefully with Court reform, Senate reform, PR and DC statehood we won't have to be held captive by a radical minority.
Let's come together and kill Mormons!
Love to see how you pull that off without the Senate.
People are sick of having inbred shit kickers in rural shitholes like Wyoming getting way too much disproportionate power. Something has to change. Trump packed the court and if they start turning out unpopular rulings that'll add to the anger.
"People are sick of having inbred shit kickers"
I imagine many people ARE sick of you, yes.
Part of the problem in this country is the ignorant and fanatical, like you, label people as "inbred shit kickers" because they live in the country, or rural areas. I've been to these areas and they're very beautiful. I've been a "city boy" my whole life and it's my dream to live in a place like Wyoming. The city and the ghetto that surrounds it is a shithole. You know how many barely literate people live in and around cities? You're not complaining about them, though. Oh, I know why...because in your view, they make the "correct" choice when they vote. And there are plenty of "inbred shit kickers" that vote Democrat too.
We had 8 years of Obama. And now we're going to get 4 years of Biden. How are they getting "too much" disproportionate power?
But that's the way it's supposed to work. It goes back and forth. It's the Madisonian Model. It prevents the majority and minority from lording over each other. If you were a patriot, as you claim, you would understand and accept this. You don't get to tell people what to do and how to live just because they're "inbred shit kickers" in your eyes. I guess if it was Hillary Clinton that packed the court over the past 4 years, you'd be totes cool with it.
Shame on you.
I've lived in small towns and rural areas. I'm from a city, but prefer small towns. Wyoming is beautiful. I used to live in Montana and went to Wyoming all the time. Not all, but most the people there are backwards, ultra religious, inbred bigots.
Utah is beautiful. Salt Lake City is the worst city in the country because of the Mormon scumbags that live there.
The EC and Senate give disproportionate power to people in isolated, rural areas. People in those areas are disproportionatly bigoted, backwards, uneducated, and hateful compared to other places.
Is it a crazy idea to have everyone's vote count equally? I know the conservatives will say no because they benefit from the status quo and realize they'd lose power in a more fair system.
I'm not trying to disenfranchise anyone like conservatives try and do. I'm suggesting everyone have equal representation.
I used to live in Montana and went to Wyoming all the time. Not all, but most the people there are backwards, ultra religious, inbred bigots.
So, about three steps above you on the social and biological ladder.
Were you in favor of Hillary accepting her defeat?
Yes and she did.
She wrote a book about how Comey and Russia stole the election from her and gave an interview last week reiterating that she was cheated.
Are you aware that, by demanding to kill mormons, you are probably repulsive to about 90% of the general public outside of this madhouse comment section?
Did you know that by defending Mormons you're repulsive to decency and the greater good? If most people knew what will happen if the Mormons aren't stopped from taking over they'd be on my side.
I'm all for freedom of religion. Mormons are the ones who will restrict what people can believe. They'll restrict what we can do. They will ban guns for non-mormons. They're authoritarian fascists. They will turn our military into an imperial world police engaged in wars that never end.
The most likely way the US becomes like Nazi Germany is if we allow Mormons to keep growing unchecked and control government and society.
Fuck Mormons and fuck the traitors defending them.
Fair enough. Their religion, just like other religions, particularly Islam, tends to be militantly against personal freedom if not kept in check. People willfully voting against their own freedom is an abomination not unheard of to me. Such people tend to desire other peoples freedom be restricted as well. Well, that's bad.
I get you probably didn't mean it like you were really gonna do it, but standing there and saying "let's go kill a bunch" makes you look pretty bad. It also doesn't help to insinuate that I'd be a traitor for defending a religious group. Can't just go kill a bunch. Chances are you're also outgunned by your average religious group in America.
Conclusively, if you asked me about a solution to the problem, I would suggest a brean flapry go fraggalooper with purple shingleroders. Actually. Honestly though, my last suggestion might be better than going out and killing them.
I don't have the means to kill Mormons, and it's not worth my life or freedom. Convincing enough people that theyre bad news is a reasonable goal.
I see. I would have wished for a response that would have implied you have no desire to kill them. But fair enough, I am not here to tell anyone how to feel.
I am a brand new user of this thing btw, I have been reading but I never signed up. I just wanted to say I have therefore no resentments. But something seems a little out of hand.
Your means of artful persuasion are certainly helping. Keep it up.
There is also the possibility of blafoom bre blubberball. I wanted to add that. You are welcome.
https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1325146205039497216
Notice that the corporate media has not called Senate races in North Carolina, Georgia, and Alaska.
What's going on? They want to flip the Senate too - by any means necessary.
It's almost as if they're waiting for the votes to be counted and declaring a winner by who has the most votes?!?
It's cute you thought the writers at Reason would actually read your crackpot posts. They have better things to do than read the thoughts of deranged, inbred hicks.
And they can't call Georgia because both races are going to runoffs. They have called that they're going to runoffs.
Remember when Trump said those two feckless jerk offs were spying on him and everyone thought he was a lunatic and graduated from Bovine University? 'Member when they said Russia collusion and he said no way? I 'member. So does Pepperidge Farms.
So him saying there was fraud here may have some juice. It's not like the DNC doesn't rig primaries and stuff, right?
Exactly. Trump has won an awful lot of times when everyone seemed sure that he was just ranting crazy talk. I have popcorn and am looking forward to how this evolves. Very much doubt there isnt some plan or lever in the background that will come to light in the coming weeks.
But i think the biggest tell, is that neither Biden nor the media is crowing about their shockingly high voter turnouts, why not? If it was legit, wouldnt this be the constant theme right now? In the philly area counties, Trump increased his vote numbers by 10-15%. Huge unprecedented numbers and the highest returns in philly itself for any republican. But Biden increased 10-25% over clinton. Higher then Obama....shocking numbers. But yet they arent widely pointing that out. I find that very interesting.
Unlike Trump, Biden's manhood doesn't depend on having the "biggest inauguration evah" or biggly winning the vote count in a cherry-picked state. Apparently, Trump suffers other undersized organs in addition to his brain.
Biden's manhood is based on his propensity for pedophilia.
Once again, there is a much better case for trump's sexual assaults than any such claim for Biden. It's really nonsensical that you cultists take it there.
There are multiple videos of Biden rubbing and sniffing children.
Pinching their tits too.
How that grabby fucker hasn't been jailed or shot by an outraged parent or husband, is beyond me.
But "he's a better human being than Donald Trump."
You know those youtube compilations are like half his grand kids, right? And you would think such a prolific and public child molester would accrue some complaints or evidence other than some awkward public appearances. Like Trump for instance, with 20 some accusers found to credible, actual sworn testimony from victims and witnesses, and the whole "Jeff Epstein is a great guy" montage.
"You know those youtube compilations are like half his grand kids, right? "
Ahaahah
You think that makes it OK AHAHAHAAH
JFC the FBI just listed you lollool
"It's OK, he only molests his grandkids"
That'll make a heckuva slogan for 2024
"I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”
No, that's not creepy at all. No sir.
So some other guy being creepy makes Biden ok.
Oh right you didn't SAY that, you just want that to be the takewawy without you actually saying it because you want deniability.
Creep has been part of Trump’s brand since the 80s. Biden’s handsiness is due to an excess of empathy. Trump’s is because he wants to fuck his daughter.
"Biden’s handsiness is due to an excess of empathy."
"An excess of empathy" is an amusing euphemism for "hardons for jailbait"
"Biden’s handsiness "
so you admit he's a sexual assaulter but his motives agree with you lolol
I think you people’s obsession with pedophilia is psychotic bordering on obvious projection.
Tony, yes, it is weird that we notice Joe likes groping little girls. Apparently, that is what progress means.
Making excuses for, at best, lewd behavior towards children. Making excuses for turning a blind eye towards molestation.
I am surprised at the new ways you manage to find, you repulsive pieces of garbage, to lower my rock-bottom opinion of you as human beings.
Videos exist of Biden sniffing and groping kids.
This is an opportunity for the GOP.
Four years of Trump. The Bush and Obama years have worn them down. Republicans can rebuild on that foundation.
It is, but not the one you state. They could ditch the "party of the wealthy" schtick and try to become the "party of the working class " the seeds are there.
But given the way they raised taxes on the middle class and cut taxes for the 1%, I doubt they will seize the opportunity. Also, people of color make up a larger percentage of the working class so that whole racism thing might get in the way
"But given the way they raised taxes on the middle class"
Given such a blatant lie, should I assume you're a liar or an absolute idiot?
Or a Californian. (Would also apply to any other state with high property taxes.) Capping my deduction at $10k sor state and local taxes was a significant increase in my federal taxes.
Surprised you weren't aware of that.
Shawn, your issue is with your state. Why should I spend a penny to bail you out of the poor decisions your fellow state citizens make?
You should not get ANY write-offs for your state taxes. You should, you know, elect better people.
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"Trumpy took away my subsidy for living in a communist shithole. WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
Get fucked you pathetic fucking loser.
GOP incentive the wealthy to help create jobs and stimulate the economy. If you think they're too reliant on that economic model and should try other things, then fine. But to suggest they sit around trying to make rich people richer is ridiculous.
incentivize*
The trickke-down economic model has a long history of failure to produce the stated results. At this point it is little more than an article of faith.
Tax receipts are higher than they have ever been in history. But it's just not as psychologically satisfying if it doesn't harm the "enemy". At least when you're a pathetic envious piece of shit Marxist.
Claiming that shows you are either not middle class and out of touch or middle class but do not work and live off someone else.
Your failure of imagination seems to prevent you from considering the many ways the recent Trump tax cuts for the rich screwed homeowners with state and local tax bills over $10k per couple.
Not really a failure of imagination, I assure you you are likely dumber than me. Don't mind me insulting you a bit to get some info. With guys like you, they mostly give the best info when they're a bit angry, because then they wanna be super factual and right. 😉
But that's good info to have, I will google around a bit. Have a good night and don't lose sleep over being angry.
Will already apologize for this, I think that was a little douchy to post. Oh well.
Binion is a bitch.
If Biden is officially declared the winner he's a dead man. He might not make it to the 20th.
Is that a threat?
Wishful thinking.
Is your handle a threat?
/grin.
Haha it's hyperbole. I only wanna kill all the Mormons.
Can i keep a few? They’re so fun to corrupt. And I bet they do excellent housework.
With your personality, I don’t think you’re much of a seducer. More of a whiner, bitcher, probably a bit of a scold. Might work for SOME people; just like SOME people might like having their nipples pinched with needle nose pliers.
In my world seduction is sort of a quick thing. It’s mostly about whether you like how their body looks. I do enjoy good conversation though.
Well dont forget the money you give them lololol
LOL. That someone with your username took offense to Ice's statement is hilarious. And totally expected.
I didn't take offense I was curious.
My username is a joke.
I should change it to:KillAllMormons. That wouldn't be a joke, but words every rational person should live by.
Why particularly, Ice? Biden needs to serve 2 years for Harris to serve 10. I doubt they'll throw that away without a very good reason.
He needs to remain in the bunker and so should Harris. After the 20th they have to come out, but then there's a succession in place.
As with the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin so many years ago, when people are putting a lot of hopes on a leader and the person is killed, sometimes those hopes don't survive either.
It's nuts how they're censoring Trump and anyone questioning the results.
If they have nothing to hide, then why censor Trump? Let him ramble and rant.
Unless....
Unless mainstream America has tired of his bigoted, delusional bullshit.
The same guy who gained minority votes while the other real bigot lost minority votes?
You mean that?
Meh. Mail voters aren’t exit polled are they?
However, I see it as a good sign in one respect that Latino men can be just as caught up in Trump’s vulgar machismo as white guys. They assimilate. There was no reason to worry after all.
I suggest you keep on "not worrying". Because Biden's non-vulgar non-machismo turncoat-style creepery is easier not to worry about. The voters showed they worried though. That is why nobody has a mandate here.
But yes, you are right, polls may not be so reliable after all. They tend to be in favor of a certain side, as we found out recently. 😉
I think the real plot is the president telling so many lies and attacking democracy. Social media has some issues to work out too.
Attacking democracy? Have you MET democracy?
You know what ISN'T attacking democracy. Claiming that your opponent won solely because of Russian interference and using the intel services to go after him.
Then ignore that they came up with nothing.
Nobody said solely. And they didn’t come up with nothing. You just tell yourself these things. It’s ridiculous. Do you know how many of Trump’s west wing staff has gone to prison?
What would you have done if even a single intern in the Obama White House had gone to prison?
Given how many provable crimes his admin actally committed, I'd be amazed that a Democrat was held to any standard.
Who is censoring Trump and how?
What are you referring to?
Come on, you Trump sycophants...where’s the spirit? There’s so many options open to you when you’re thwarted by the will of the voting public...recounts, legal challenges, Supreme Court, lawsuits, FOX News, the Proud Boys, Amy Coney Barrett, secession, Trump looting the Treasury before he’s booted, Sheriff Joe...
Keep hope alive, no???
You are on a roll today ????
If it weren't for that dastardly hanging chads Gore would have won in 2000, right shreek? MoveOn.
I really don't care if Biden or Trump wins, neither will change what is coming to the US and it will not be good.
I do care about election integrity though and there are major problems. Regardless of who wins or loses, anyone, especially elected officials of either party found guilty of any election fraud should be tried, convicted and imprisoned for a long long time.
The Detroit Free Press reports:
" In Oakland County’s 15th county commission District — representing Rochester and Rochester Hills — the initial count gave a 104-vote margin to the Democrat, Melanie Hartman, amounting to a razor-thin majority of 50.08%. That stunned the incumbent, Adam Kochenderfer, giving him a sure sense that he’d lost in a district long deemed a Republican stronghold. […] But what a difference a day makes – in weather, love, and the 15th District election for Oakland County commissioner. On Thursday, Kochenderfer was stunned again, this time by a call from Oakland County’s director of elections, flipping the outcome to him."
neither will change what is coming to the US and it will not be good
One is a brake pedal and the other is the accelerator.
Trump is entitled to claim 'it isn't over' until Joe Biden's victory is certified.
Decent Americans are entitled to mock Trump as a delusional, impotent loser and his supporters as half-educated, bigoted, superstitious, backwater failures.
You forgot "clingers", fake reverend, fake lawyer, fake poll watcher.
Also we know "KillAllRednecks" is your sock account.
I'm nobody's sock. I'm just a guy who hates Mormons and is amazed at how stupid some of the Trumpers on here are.
Sure sock lolol your hero is a senile old man ahahahah
I'm disappointed but nevertheless impressed that Trump performed as well as he did. Hopefully the show of support will make his 'shy voter' more outspoken. It's not easy to withstand liberal propaganda and vitriol (e.g. on COVID), but obviously we have no choice.
Ultimately though the rich must establish retirement colonies to compete with cradle-to-grave government benefits. The end is communism either way - the only question is whether it will be forced (socialism) or voluntary.
Hey shreek, remember when you were socking with this account and Dajjal in the same thread and outed yourself? What made you bust it out again after 4 years? Hoped everyone forgot?
Look at these Biden crowds. So much more biglier and happy than the screeching fascist-adjacent MAGAs. Don’t you people want to be on the right side of history AND in the fun crowd?
It’s really not about Stalinism. It’s just about basic competence and progress. I swear to Allah.
Please: they're way too sober and dressed to be having real fun.
I miss clubbin. =(
Your only decent comment on this thread.
Going to a political rally and cheering for the whitest geriatric centrist you can find getting elected president sounds like a fun Saturday night for a high school guidance counselor.
They should all be ashamed, really, but they don't know any better. And who could blame them, either, with their typical education and media habits?
They’re cheering the removal of Trump. It coulda been a potted plant (D).
It was ahahaha you voted for a senile old man hahaahah
Are you deranged?
He's not, but Biden is certainly demented.
You and I both know they're anti-Trump crowds, not pro-Biden.
The fun crowd?
Your collection of Karens?
Unless your party is in a closed garage with a car running, I don't find it amusing.
basic competence and Joe Biden in the same sentence?
Wait until next week when the fraud gets overturned and they're burning down another 2 billion dollars worth of property and murdering black cops.
It's a crying shame that Trump lost, but we should concentrate our "efforts" on delegitimizing Biden, Biden's policies, and Biden's ideas now.
In his first 100 days in office, we should expect Biden to do what he promised to do during his campaign:
1) Launch a war on gun rights like we've never seen before.
2) Completely renege on Trump's deal with the Taliban to withdraw from Afghanistan.
3) Launch the Green New Deal.
4) Bail out the states (especially California, Illinois, and New York) to the tune of $1 trillion.
We'll need to keep talking to our friends and family about why these are all terrible ideas.
His top priorities are covid, climate change, and pretending to do something about race relations. All three problems Trump actively exacerbated.
You're a fucking retard.
You’re telling people to confine their news consumption to rightwing propaganda because you can’t compete in the real marketplace of ideas. Do you even know why you like Republicans?
You're a dip-shit, and you've been a dip-shit for at least ten years!
At least twice that long surely.
Ken has given up on his pretense. Everyone look on the indignant, powerless, utterly defeated little fascist that resides beneath the surface.
Hey cytotoxic, tell us again how the Biden administration should gun down Republicans with Apache attack helicopters.
Calling Tony a dipshit isn't fascism you fucking dipshit.
And yet, you keep responding to it. As I wrote above, Tony is great at his job.
To your point, I am extremely curious---in much the way that snuff video aficionados are curious---about how this publication will report on those likely Biden initiatives you mentioned. I agree, they're coming, and soon.
Why wait?
"real marketplace of ideas"
lol, your ideas can only win through massive cover-ups and censorship.
FFS, your party leaders have even admitted they are going to have to do a better job of censoring your insane socialist wing because this was supposed to be a blue wave, but it was more like a blue fart. (one that smells like massive, poorly executed fraud)
Good. I’ve been telling the Bernies to shut up for years.
The new Republican fringe are Qanoners. Good luck with that crazy shit.
Oh, look! Another "libertarian" who doesn't understand 1a and property rights.
Your hero is a senile old man ahahahah!!!
Private enterprise can censor.
Maybe you should brush up on your understanding of words.
That's my point...
Your point was a complete misunderstanding of his point?
Ok I accept that you're a retard.
I don't think you of all people should be chastising someone for consuming "propaganda". If you don't confine yourself to the "binary choice" system, then you may have some legitimacy. But if you vote straight Democrat, straight progressive, then you're a hypocrite who consumes leftwing propaganda while criticizing others for consuming rightwing propaganda. Not everything in politics is black and white. Not everything has a right or wrong answer. There are nuances, grey areas, etc. Sometimes it's a matter of personal opinion or preference as to what one believes the right course of action or policy should be regarding an issue. But also in our country, it depends on whether or not something is Constitutional. But you don't even believe in the values and principles on which this country was founded. You don't believe people have natural or unalienable rights. You think rights come from government. So the problem with someone like you is you don't even believe in the legitimacy of the Constitution or you believe in it when it suits your agenda and reject it when it doesn't. That kind of thinking is what is a threat to our country and freedoms. You think freedoms and rights should be taken away for what you perceive to be the "greater good". That's why people like you are so hostile to the 2A. And I suspect it's not just about "saving lives" (another charade you guys hide behind) but about your hatred for conservatives and it's a way to stick it to them and exert power over them. You're driven by pure hatred.
Based on your comments and the vile nature of many of them, you seem to be an unmovable, unreasonable, true-believing progressive. And an authoritarian. You're right and everyone else is stupid seems to be how you view things. Also, what is this "real marketplace of ideas"? Who are the gatekeepers there? Mainstream and academic society (which is rife with critical theory) seems to be hostile to any right of center beliefs. Perhaps those views can't compete in this supposed "real marketplace of ideas" because it's dominated by arrogant, holier-than-thou, people like you who won't except anything that doesn't have a progressive flavor to it. Opposing opinions are ignored or buried regardless of their merit because they're not what people like you want to hear. You keep holding on to that fantasy of a perfect egalitarian utopia.
I voted for Trump in 2016. I didn't vote for him or any Republican at the state and federal level in 2020. I'm capable of reexamining my opinions, positions and beliefs and changing them. Are you?
Are you Joe... Biden?
Yup, those are the most pressing issues, systemic whiteness and climate justice.
We're not supposed to believe what Biden's website says.
We're supposed to believe Tony, who is a fucking retard and a dipshit, and has been both of those things for at least ten years!
Climate change is the most pressing issue, followed by fixing democracy. The blacks will probably get the shaft as usual. But then so will the planet in all likelihood. I hope those billionaire tax cuts were worth it. All your life supporting a party so ten people you’ll never meet can have more money to stick in their ears. And that’s what you call justice, if you can believe it.
Where'd they GET that money Tony? And are you not able to do the same thing and earn that SAME money?
Oh the helpless couch potato's envy is out of control; STEALING must be made legal!!!
The vulgar libertarian will go back and forth calling out the horrible socialistic aspects of the exiting system while simultaneously defending every cent of wealth being where it is in that same system.
Choose better values.
"defending every cent of wealth being where it is" -- well that's a load of B.S. You're purposely circling your arguments. Libertarians certainly want to CUT the gov "commie-money" fountain off..
Is this you're introduction to massive projection or what? The Gov-Gods must "fix" and "spend" more so the "commie-money" fountain can keep filling pockets in order to keep "commie-money" from filling pockets?
That's the better value??? Up is Down, Left is Right, Your head is but a stinky foot.
There is more wealth concentration than the gilded age and it didn’t happen by accident and it certainly didn’t happen because a few people started working millions of times harder.
We have socialism for the rich. That’s what Republicans exist to enact. Let’s rid America of socialism for the rich. Common ground.
"There is more wealth concentration"
Ahahah your poor jealous ass ahahaha
"We have socialism for the rich" -- Yes we do... So stop arguing with everyone and get on-board to kill the socialist-power-engine and restore the nation to it's foundation of NO socialism / communism; only U.S. Constitutional items that ensures Individual Liberty and Justice.
The problem is libertarians want to take the socialism away from the poor and old and then they forget what they were doing when it comes time to take it from the rich. Almost as if socialism for the rich is the entire goddamn point and free markets are a lie.
no the problem is Ahahaha your hero is a senile old man!!! A SENILE OLD MAN!!!
Well, that's where we utterly disagree (what libertarians are after). But heck; if you want to ask all of them it might be a good start and I'll back you up in trashing anyone jumping on the federal subsidies for airlines, bank-bailouts, CARES Act, farm subsidies, etc.. etc... etc... is a 'good' thing.
Heck; If we were talking about a State, County or City where I lived and welfare for the truly (keyword) needed; I might even pitch in there but certainly not at the nation government level. Actually; If I knew any needy but honest (keyword); I'd throw my own earnings to help them out.
If you think Democrats really want to disrupt that system, I have a bridge to sell you.
These changes you want - are they constitutional?
^WELL said!
Yet most of the beneficiaries of it are ardent Democrats.
Hey: that's my money, thank you very much.
It’s your money if and only if the law says it’s your money.
And I'll have to take consolation in the fact that, no matter what the law is, I'll always have more than you do.
Perhaps but I have a huge dick.
Oh I’m sure. That explains why your politics has a mostly vaginal scent, because of your large manhood.
Really because I only see one side having their period all over the place. And Trump’s head looks like a vagina.
I’ve been watching one side literally wear vagina hats and PMSing for a solid four years because they lost an election, all because the president didn't love Mommy enough.
And real men don’t need safety nets. Widows do.
I think your bitchiness proves that false lololl
More B.S.; When the customer willfully decides to say it's "your money" instead of "my money" is when it's your money... You're so diluted with Gov-Gods religion it's embarrassing.
The only thing the LAW is suppose to be doing there is to protect YOU from those that try and destroy that word "willfully". Today of course, by the theology of Gov-Gods, THEFT by LAW has become so predominant that everyone seems to have forgotten about free will.
[Inspector Clouseau] "Not anymore." [/Inspector Clouseau]
First we save the climate through global central planning, then we fix democracy, permanently.
How about we try democracy?
The electoral college was meant explicitly to prevent something like Trump from happening anyway.
"How about we try democracy?"
AHAHHA hecthinks we live in a democracy and HIS HERO IS A SENILE OLD MAN AHAHAJAJAJ
How about we try a Constitutional Union of Republic States? Ya know; that plan we already KNOW by history actually works as well as promotes Individual Liberty and Justice.
Violent Cities enact [WE] democratic mobs all the time. They're called gangs and they fight /kill each other all the time. Exactly like we see today on a national level getting more progressive all the time!!!!
If you don't like gangster wars might I suggest not encouraging [WE] mobs.
Hm I see zillions of happy, healthy young people out celebrating peacefully, and celebrating for the cause of peace. The ones with the guns are the Trumpers. I guess thug is in the eye of the beholder.
Saw some of the opposing groups talking to each other in a friendly way, though. Warmed my heart.
LOLOLO YOUR OWN VP ADMITS YOUR SENILE HERO IS A RACIST AHAHAHAHAH
Trumpers aren't the ones shooting each other in the cities.
It's not their guns you should be afraid of.
I think you’re confusing Trump and Hillary.
You say it was implemented to prevent something like Trump from being elected. How? How do you know how someone is going to govern before they actually take office? He didn't take power. He was elected according to the rules. If he fucks up, then come election time you try to vote him out. The electoral college was one of different forms of checks and balances to prevent the tyranny of a majority or minority. Trump isn't a tyrant just because you think he's one. Claims of tyranny are rampant against a president when he does things someone doesn't like, or does things he shouldn't do, and are an exaggeration to amplify a point. An argument can be made for all presidents for exceeding the constitutional limits of their power. It shouldn't happen and we should call it out when we see it, but let's not pretend it's unique to Trump. And he lost the election. So the system worked out.
The nonsense you spew is due to your pathological, frenzied, fanatical, unhinged, paranoid hatred for Trump. Flawed as he was, he wasn't the monster you've made him out to be in your mind. A president isn't going to make everyone happy. Especially people like you who, when their guy isn't in the WH, over-analyze and bitch and complain about everything he does.
It will be interesting when Biden makes mistakes or exceeds the limits of his power to see you and your ilk make excuses for him and gaslight, dismiss, deny, and deflect when he's criticized. Or Harris if they Amendment 25 his ass later on.
If we tried democracy, you'd have literally no rights, son.
"...then we fix democracy, permanently."
"One Man, One Vote," right?
(Who's going to be the One Man?)
How is climate change a pressing issue?
What's humorous is you think those are "problems" for the federal government...
All hail the Gov-Gods!!!
I don’t see anyone else solving them. I mean the market is helping on green tech but all the socialism for oil companies you people literally exist to shill for gets in the way.
Ahahaha your hero is a senile old man ahaha!!!
Gov-Gods must "solve" all those "unsolvable" and "unproblematic" problems... Can you at least limit your Gov-Gods to your own State/County?
and all 3 of which the president has approximately 0 control over
Part of delegitimaizing Biden's and the Democrat's policies is refusing to finance their propagation through the media. We need to defund the media. Facebook, Google, Twitter, and most of the news media itself all treated average Americans like shit during this election, and if you're still using their services, it's time to stop.
Get off of Facebook and Twitter, and avoid using Google--and tell your friends and family you're canning them and you're not coming back. Learn to use Slack with your friends and family, try MeWe, or sign up for a Mastodon account. Find alternatives to giving your money to the media outlets that are screwing you.
If you're still getting your television through cable, it's time to stop and start streaming already. Find yourself a streaming service that doesn't include CNN, MSNBC, or any of the major broadcast networks. Some of them only carry one of those (Sling Blue only has CNN). There are others that I know don't carry any of the news networks off the top of my head. Tvision and Philo will both sell you cheap live cable packages without those news networks--one for $20 a month and the other for $10 a month.
And with Discovery+ coming out in the next couple of months, chances are you can watch everything you usually watch with a subscription to a streaming service without paying for any of those news networks you don't watch--like you're forced to do when you subscribe to cable.
If more people understood that the reason CNN, MSNBC and the broadcast networks can broadcast so much bullshit is because you are paying for their news broadcasts when you subscribe to cable whether you actually watch those channels or not. Fuckin' wake up! Don't take their shit. Refuse to buy their products. Refuse to use their products. Refuse to subscribe to cable television. Don't be like a batter spouse who keeps giving her husband all the money she earns--even after he beats her up and treats her like shit over and over again.
This country was founded, in part, by people who were so fed up with being forced to bail out the British East India Company, that they took the company's tea and threw it into the harbor. We should do the same with our social media accounts and our cable subscriptions. They're using your money to screw you. Stop giving them your money.
You can still watch broadcast TV for free with an antenna (or with Locast). They have to broadcast for free as a condition for not being forced to pay for the spectrum. You can even subscribe to Fox News through their app if that's your thing! You don't need a cable package or a streaming service with news in order to be able to do that.
Last I saw, the average cord cutters was saving $75 a month by switching from cable. Take some of those savings and subscribe to a news service that actually gave us the news. The WSJ, for instance, was absolutely explicit about Hunter Biden's shenanigans. Cut the cord and buy yourself a digital subscription to the WSJ. They have discounts for students! Don't let social media and the news media treat you like shit. Tell them to go fuck themselves--and watch what you want anyway.
P.S. Anybody who doesn't understand what streaming is, what it means, how to do it yourself, etc.--and I know you're out there . . .
https://www.cordcuttersnews.com/the-beginners-guide-to-cord-cutting-2020/?source=home
That isn't a bad place to start.
And there are plenty of people here in this thread who will be more than happy to help you stick it to CNN, MSNBC, and the major broadcast networks. If you have questions, ask them. You too can give shitty journalism the finger instead of your money!
Facebook and Twitter are a big part of the cause of red hatters living in an alternate reality. The fact that you think that main stream opinion on matters of science, and frankly just math at this point are what they are due to social media is rather ironic.
I think that social media actively suppressed stories that were crucial to a lot of people in the election.
And I think whatever you're talking about with science and math is a conversation that's happening in your head.
It's directly relevant to your points. Many of the victims of misinformation online have been red hatters who have been convinced that Trump is fighting a global conspiracy of child molesters and that RFK is still alive and a secret Trump supporter too! Or that global warming isn't real, even while the evidence becomes plain enough for everyday people to notice the changes since their childhoods.
And to save us all the 16 paragraph comment devoid of facts, I'll "both sides" this for you and point out Michael Brown et al were outrage generators built on inaccurate and hasty rumors spread largely through social media.
We agree that social media and cable news are awful ways to get information. I should have just left it there. Sorry. Carry on.
"Many of the victims of misinformation online have been red hatters who have been convinced that Trump is fighting a global conspiracy of child molesters and that RFK is still alive and a secret Trump supporter too!"
QAnon started on 4chan.
If you took it seriously, then the joke is on you.
Because the media took it seriously tells you how completely out of touch and ridiculous they are.
Not as a general rule but as a hard and fast rule: Never take anything that originates on 4chan seriously.
P.S. You're acting like Preet Bahara--someone who can't tell the difference between a joke and a chat room full of evil people obsessing over woodchippers.
One note on this, as I was surfing around looking at the various reporting on the election, I found louder with Crowder. He has a political/entertainment podcast and YouTube channel. His videos seem to be running at 4 to 8 million viewers. I just want to put that in perspective. Rachel maddow gets anywhere from a million and a half to 4 million depending on how hot the topics are. But generally about 2 and 1/2 million.
Everybody knows who Rachel maddow is everybody gives her legitimacy. I'm sure she makes a metric crap ton of money as MSNBC's anchor TV show.
She is at best a quarter of this comedian's political audience.
Old media is definitely in danger.
worse, from what I can tell later with Crowder does more original reporting with more actual content and insight into what various political factions are thinking than MSNBC. The little bit that I saw actually had live reporting from demonstrations. He had actual BLM and antifa activists on giving their actual views on what they were doing and why they were doing it. Not something you see in any of the mainstream channels.
Every single one of those failed comedian conservative YouTubers is bankrolled by one eccentric billionaire or another. Crowder is a pet of Cary Katz.
Cenk Uygur and the Young Turks are funded by rich people, too.
I guess the big difference is the Young Turks pretend they hate Citizen's United, as if their whole schtick isn't one big in-kind contribution financed by rich people no one loves. How uncouth!
Frankly the internet socialists keep me on edge more than any AstroTurf libertarian.
At least no one accuses the socialists of being funny.
Michael Brooks was hilarious but he died and now none of them are funny.
Who?
Not intentially funny, anyway.
5 to 8 million viewers per episode.
Controlled by a billionaire? Are you mentally ill?
For comparison, Rachel Maddow earns $7 million per year. With maybe 1/3 the audience.
Ah, yes...he's not a conservative comedian. He's a "failed" conservative comedian. Have to insert that adjective in your statement to somehow delegitimize him as if it has any bearing on the content. Why? Because he's not a famous celebrity? He just pisses you off because you don't like what he says so you need to shit on him.
There are no "failed" comedian progressive YouTubers?
So Cyto, he "changed your mind?" Crowder's funny.
His original videos were fantastic. I don't know why more people don't do that sort of reporting. It was wonderful at communicating a message while giving insight into the minds of others.
Much better than the talking head shows where four liberals yell at one fake conservative or three conservatives yell at a moderate and a fake liberal.
“We have to remember the purpose of our politics isn’t total unrelenting, unending warfare. No, the purpose of our politics, the work of our nation, isn’t to fan the flames of conflict, but to solve problems, to guarantee justice, to give everybody a fair shot.”
----Joe Biden, November 6, 2020
"Eat shit and die, Biden--you donkey-dick sucking socialist!"
----Ken Shultz, November 7, 2020
Angry Ken is fun.
The idea that Biden is the man to unify our country is ridiculous.
The idea that I would support a socialist asshole who's trying to sell the Green New Deal is even funnier still--you shit-eating retard.
You guys really wanted to run against AOC didn’t you?
Democrats did you the favor of choosing the most moderate, inoffensive white dude they could find, the one who expressly rejected both socialism and the GND. If that’s not enough for you, you’re just being stubborn.
If you think that Joe Biden had anything to do with garnering any votes, I have a bridge to sell you.
Joe Biden did not campaign. There is not any evidence at all that any voters have any clue what his positions are on anything.
This is actually an amazing election. Because it stripped it bare. It was just one team against the other team. It was the neighborhood canvassing, mail-in ballot harvesting, long game of hitting the city neighborhoods hard for 2 months versus the energize the base, candidate driven game.
It looks like the machine politics won.
The results are identical to 2016, except for With massively increased turnout. Trump increased support across every demographic group except for a white men. 2016 was a razor thin margin. So is 2020. Even more so.
The idea that some policy position or another had anything to do with it is laughable.I watched millions of dollars worth of Biden ads. He ran ads in direct opposition to his own position. Here in Florida, his advertising was basically Joe Biden is what Donald Trump has been running on for the last five years.
And they ran race baiting ads 24/7.
And it did not change a thing. Trump barely ran any ads at all.
This election was not about policy in any way shape or form. anyone claiming that it was does not understand a single thing about what they just saw.
I agree that it was a referendum on Trump. But a 4+ million vote difference isn’t razor thin. Most of this country never wanted Trump, and except for 2004 hasn’t wanted a Republican president in a generation.
Ahahaha your hero is a senile old man lolololol!!!
We have a nasty woman as backup.
Yes your heroes are a senile old man and a token ahahhahha
True.
Have you guys ever thought of giving power to a woman who wasn't a Disney movie villain?
Have you ever considered a Democratic woman anything but?
Tulsa Gabbard, ever heard of her? She ripped Kamala a new one in the debates over her atrocious criminal justice background.
"Joe Biden is a racist" - His CURRENT VP
AHAHAHAHAH
HIS OWN VP ADMITS HE'S A SENILE RACIST AHAHAHAAHA
You mean a cringey woman.
So? And that means what? 70 million people is a lot of people. So is 74. But they have to get shit on just because an extra 4 million went the other way? It doesn't always matter what *most* people want. The majority doesn't get to lord over the minority all the time. That's why we have checks and balances implemented - like the EC. So take it and swallow it.
Of course it wasn't about policy. Trump and the GOP neglected to make a policy platform. It's about the values of liberalism vs authoritarianism. Do you want votes to count, or do you want whatever "system" Trump has been peddling?
Ahahaha your hero is a senile old man ahahaha!!!!
projection from the cult of projection.
Ahahah your hero is a senile old man ahahahah
Good Lord, that's a stupid comment.
The election was about counting votes?
That could be the dumbest thing I've ever heard, and this place is full of dumbest things anyone has ever heard.
And if you think Trump was the authoritarian candidate in this race, I also have a bridge to sell you.
Only one candidate in this race has ever used the power of the state against his enemies.
Only one candidate in this race ever used the power of the state to overthrow foreign governments. And foreign governments that were at a state of peace with the United States at the time, by the way.
Only one candidate in this race was part of an administration that actively spied on and prosecuted journalists.
Only one candidate in this race was involved in using CIA assets to get foreign nationals to undermine the elected government of the United States.
And that is only the stuff that was done in his official capacity. And that is only during the 8 years as vice president.
You could go into the past and pull out things like the crime bill. Love that dsparate treatment of minorities for crack cocaine versus powder cocaine?
But, you know Trump talked about keeping illegal immigrants out. So that makes him totally the most evil person in history. And he totally talked about how the media was dishonest and unfair towards him. Which totally makes him just like Hitler.
The Democrats represent authoritarianism. They are the party of mandates and bans.
That sorta certifies how bad the Democratic party has become. If that's "the best they can do..."
Tony
November.7.2020 at 3:52 pm
You guys really wanted to run against AOC didn’t you?
Democrats did you the favor of choosing the most moderate, inoffensive white dude they could find, the one who expressly rejected both socialism and the GND. If that’s not enough for you, you’re just being stubborn.
Doing this again for context: The above sorta certifies how bad the Democratic party has become, if that's "the best they can do..."
Bien doesn't support the Green new deal. He doesn't support Medicare for all.
It's gonna be hard learning to use facts again because Trump made lying so acceptable and normal.
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It was fun watching all of the mainstream media channels pivot immediately to unifying the country. Pretty much the second it looked like they were going to be successful in getting by to the end, they dropped all of the vitriol and began talking about peace and love. They talked about how it was our Civic duty to come together. Which is kind of laugh out loud funny after the last 4 years.
On NBC's Today show they actually had a Catholic bishop on to lectures on how we need to look in the mirror and learn to forgive and learn to identify our own shortcomings and correct our own behavior. The example he gave was a 76 year old Trump supporter in 2016 who punched a young black man who got in his face.
The Today show staff was eager to agree. Basically, they spent the entire 4 hours of that show with a major theme of Trump supporters need to look in the mirror and understand that they have been wrong for the last 4 years.
It's straight-up propaganda from IngSoc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvGmOZ5T6_Y
The two minutes hate is over. Now it's time to feel the peace and unity.
Biden sucks, but he's lighyears better than Trump.
He's certainly easier to ignore.
That's interesting. I never really thought about it that way before. You've completely changed my mind with your persuasive argument. Thank you!
Actually I would like to hear one thing that he is better at from a libertarian perspective. Just one position. That would be cool. I am sure there are a lot.
Trump said drug dealers should get the death penalty. He made Jeff Sessions AG. When it comes to prohibition the Dems platform isn't as bad as the GOPs right now. Shit Biden doesn't have a good criminal justice record, but that can change.
Trump appointed SC justices that could overturn Roe vs Wade. I know there a lot of "libertarians" who think women shouldn't have autonomy over there own bodies on this site.
He said?
So Biden did.
But Trump made some comment. And that is worse.
Yeah... That is what rooting looks like.
Biden hasn't been in office for 4 years or been in the Senate for 12.
Trump did say that, and the Dem platform is better than the GOPs on prohibition.
I know cons love to misremember this but Nixon started the war on drugs and under Reagan it reached it's worst. It was blue states that started decriminalizing weed and Oregon decriminalized drugs. Repubicans by and large have been for tougher drug sentences and against legalization. Where only about half of dems re like that.
Roe vs Wade should be overturned. It was a terrible decision. It's a state issue, numb-skull.
"I know there a lot of “libertarians” who think women shouldn’t have autonomy over there own bodies on this site"
That's just fallacious misrepresentation and sophistry.
Wait so women in California should control their bodies, but not in Mississippi? You're entitled to your opinion, but I believe autonomy over one's body is a fundamental right. Allowing the state to legislate what someone can do with their body is very anti-libertarian in my view.
If you think abortion is an issue that libertarianism augers for "pro choice", you understand neither abortion nor libertarianism.
Abortion is the truly insoluble problem, because it hinges on an unanswerable question.
That is why we generally avoid that argument... Not because passions are not high, but because it is unwinnable. There is no authority you can appeal to, no science that could ever be settled that would tell us when life begins. And without that answer, you cannot have a meaningful argument about the rest of it.
Out will always come down to personal opinion.
Which is a crappy way to decide such a monumental question.
Maybe as a last hurrah, Trump could do something fun. Like nationalize and dismantle the major media outlets.
I think he should pardon the fuck out of people.
He should certainly pardon Snowden.
That would accomplish nothing. Snowden will never again be able to set foot in the US (or many other places).
Why not? A presidential pardon doesn't count?
Snowden, Assange, he should get them all. And he should definitely dump every document about spygate. Particularly stuff that reveals the role of Obama, Biden and Hillary, as well as Brennan and Comey
"A presidential pardon doesn’t count?"
It certainly does. Do you think though that federal prosecution is the only thing Snowden is afraid of?
Oh! You are talking about getting Epsteined.
More like Maxwell'd, but yeah.
He supposedly pissed off a ton of the intelligence and military organizations with what he did. Not just blowing ECHELON etc open, but all of the other crap he had to give the FSB as a bride price.
You mean all the shit the IC made up about him to smear him because he blew their scam?
Perhaps. Putin didn't give him sanctuary for free. Even to serve as a gadfly.
The people in .mil that i know, read, and listen to on things like this, near universally hate his guts. I don't know what they think he gave up. It may just be butthurt about Echelon and such going away.
(Or getting renamed. NSA has a long history of weathering scandals and ultimately ignoring them. The lack of meaningful fallout sticking to them from the Church Commission hearings is an example.)
Yes. And declassify pretty much every document the government has.
Literally all of them.
Well he and McConnell and Graham need to fill every judicial appointment they can in the next two months. Rapidly.
He should fire any number of bureaucrats who were part of the resistance during his term. No reason to leave them around.
I wish he and DeVos had ended the department of education when they had the chance.
I wish he had pulled the teeth out of the EPA, FBI, and IRS too.
He better pardon Flynn. That case is a travesty.
He should fire any number of bureaucrats who were part of the resistance during his term. No reason to leave them around.
They'll file grievances and be reinstated immediately.
I wish he and DeVos had ended the department of education when they had the chance.
That's not how it works.
You guys are acting as thought Trump actually cares about the GOP or any sort of governing philosophy. He cares about donald and donald's money, and that's it.
He will do whatever he can to set himself up nicely after this, and nothing else. Well, maybe a bit of golf too.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-seen-golfing-as-major-networks-declare-victory-for-biden-2020-11
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Someone else tell this one I won't fuck him either.
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Wouldn't that be hard to do when you haven't seen your cock over your flab rolls in 10 years?
Well, we will see.
I'll take that bet. What do you want to bet he doesn't get a $60 million payday from a major corporation in the next two weeks. (The last guy collected such a deal on his way out the door)
He absolutely must do something about Flynn and the rest of those guys. Flynn in particular, but Papadopoulos and the rest of them were set up as well.
So is Smith & Wesson (SWBI) a buy now?
I think the military is already pulling out of Afghanistan. There is a plan.
Well yeah. The green deal. More bailouts. More government spending. Great. This is something new.
Biden has promised to get rid of the gun manufacturer's liability.
Even if they get a big bump in sales, they may go bankrupt on liability claims after the next mass shooting.
Gun companies are terrible investments. They have had a good year, but dig into their finances and they are all quite ugly. SWBI just had a big day, so I would expect contraction to follow, but who knows.
I'm out of most equities for the moment. Markets hate uncertainty, and donald is determined to bring uncertainty.
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If only we could capture the soaring heights of establishment certainty we had in 2009. Lmfao
“He had a cozy relationship with police unions, which have a history of covering up bad behavior by cops at the expense of the public.”
A history of? Does that mean they also do other things beside shield cops from any responsibility? It’s the only thing they do. It’s like saying “freight trains have a history of transporting goods and raw materials.”
What happened? 5 minutes ago it was illegal, immoral and unethical for anyone to claim there was a winner before the results were official? I am so confused.
Where is the facebook "misleading" warning on all of these posts? Where is the youtube ban on these news organizations videos?
Seriously, just this morning Savannah guthrie was explaining for the 5th day in a row that never in history has a president been announced on election night, and anyone claiming victory before the official results are certified is making fraudulent claims....
Did they all just have an aneurism at the same time?
One of the worst developments over this is all the world leaders congratulating Biden as the winner.
They're acting like Biden needs their recognition in order to legitimize him. Being recognized by European shitheads is not the road to legitimacy.
"Being recognized by European shitheads is not the road to legitimacy."
It is for Globalists, and all right people are these days. You'll get used to it. The legal weed will help.
Morons.
"Being recognized by European shitheads is not the road to legitimacy."
Maybe not, but it's a tradition. You are acting like you've never seen this ritual before.
Libertarians for regime change
Hey remember when the incoming Trump administration having discussions with foreign leaders was treason?
Billions of people are sighing in relief today. There’s a reason for that, and you know the reason, and you should stop playing dumb. He was a disaster. His orange face is next to disaster in the dictionary. You know it to be true.
Yes, there are loads of foreign corporations who are ecstatic that they have someone in the White House who can be bought.
Meanwhile Deutsche Bank is trying to dump Trump, and no doubt Putin is not gonna answer his calls anymore.
That would be the last bank on planet earth that would do business with Donald Trump.
Projection. Always projection.
Trump vs biden will one of the greatest SCOTUS cases against democrat election fraud in US history.
Trump is already the best president in us history and beating Bidens attempt to win via election fraud will make Trump one of the greatest presidents.
"Trump is already the best president in us history" HAHAHA! You just keep topping yourself in the stupid comments.
You're one of the people who fetishizes the constitution and the founders too.
In 10 years when they do those historian surveys Trump will be in the Buchanan, Pierce, W Bush range among liberals, conservatives, and everyone.
And you said Trump would win in a landslide. What happened?
How can he be the best president if he can't even get reelected? Or win the popular vote at least once? Or deliver any of his big campaign promises (I'm glad he didn't)the wall or repealing Obama care?
Trump´s legal challenges founder for lack of two essential elements.
Supporting facts and a viable legal theory.
The moving of goal posts is an art.
Having to parrot the bullshit like you believe it, is part of the process for breaking you down.
Bet you never thought you'd be living like Orwell described, did you?
Most years news organizations have enough information to project who wins on election night. Because of mail in ballots many people predicted it would take longer to count and project winners so we probably won't know on election night. That's exactly what happened. Today various news outlets felt confident to project Biden winning Pennsylvania which gives him more than 270. They have enough information on votes that have been counted to project a Biden win.
It's not complicated. No one was saying it was illegal or immoral to project results before they're "official." Don't know what you mean by official. When each states electors meet?
Trump said he thought he won and made accusations of voter fraud early Wednesday morning. No news organizations or anyone had enough information about votes to project a winner. People have rightly criticized Trump for saying he won and making fraud accusations because he couldn't back either claim with evidence. No one said it was illegal. It was immoral because he's trying to deligitamize and cast doubt on the election.
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Yes he is, but what does Keith Richards have to do with this?
I don't like Biden, but he's not Trump at least.
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Goddamn this site went downhill. This should be a place where criticizing a candidate or party shouldn't be seen as condoning or approval of another candidate or party.
Hating Trump doesn't mean I like Biden. It means I hate Trump.
Criticizing the GOP doesn't mean I endorse Dems.
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Cyto, I know you are smarter than this an old enough to recall prior elections. Do you recall many elections not being called until electors cast votes in December? This is completely normal.
What's abnormal is the president declaring his own country's system of elections to be fraudulent. The same system that put him in the power seat 4 years ago. The same system his government investigated and found no evidence of fraud 4 years ago.
What's abnormal is the president trying to hobble his own postal services in order to keep mailed ballots from being counted.
What's abnormal is the president's son casually alluding to his supporters using violence to get the results they want.
DJT is the only common denominator in this year's election irregularities.
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We have noted your rhetorical surrender. Thank you.
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"De Oppresso Liber
November.7.2020 at 5:24 pm
We have noted your rhetorical surrender"
We? So you finally admit you're a Democrat.
He forgot which sock he was using and that he pretends to be a libertarian with that one lololl
Or rather, he used to until today lolol
This really is like playing chess with pigeons.
Yes, it was very easy to use your own words to prove you're a Democrat.
And your passive aggressive non-denial just proves it further.
Got a lot to say about me, but nothing about the total lack of evidence of fraud? Figures. Let me know when you've got some substance.
"Got a lot to say about me, but nothing about the total lack of evidence of fraud?"
So...you want me...to talk about...something you claim didn't happen and that there is no evidence of? Genius!
No you're just desperate because I'm right about you.
I think you may have fried a brain cell.
The election in 2000 was called by all of the major networks at shortly after 8:00 p.m. on election night. They called Florida and all the other major East coast states for Gore. At 8:00 p.m. before the polls were even closed in the Florida panhandle.
they retracted that call later, but they all said that with Gore having one Florida, Bush's path to election was completely closed. He had no chance to win. This is with three time zones worth of voters still to cast their vote.
By the way, that same election they had Georgia as too close to call all night. All through the night and into the next day. It was 60 to 40. And they said it was too close to call. Meanwhile, they called Florida the moment the polls closed, even though the polls weren't closed in the panhandle.
You wonder why people mistrust network political reporting? Well, there's a good example.
In 2016 they called it for Hillary Clinton early in the night. And then they had to walk that back. There has never been an election in my lifetime that the media did not call almost immediately. They got a couple of them wrong, but they were happy to call them. 2000 was obviously the worst.
But that isn't really what the point was. The point was that up until it was their guy who was going to win, claiming that anyone won before the results were official was a crime against humanity and resulted in immediate banning, and condemnation.
If you did not watch network news, you probably don't appreciate the scope of it. but they spent the last 3 months telling us that anyone who dared to claim victory on election night or before the results were official was a dangerous subversive. Then they spent the last four or five days telling us that Trump was a traitor to the United States for claiming that he won. They lectured me for 4 hours a day on NBC's today show, hammering home the fact that no election in history had ever been called on election night. They invented a new definition of this, meaning that until the official results were certified by each state you could not claim victory. Every news anchor on every station said it a hundred times a day. It was like some sort of mantra.
And then Pennsylvania comes in with their results and suddenly everyone can announce it. there is not a single state with officially certified results yet, but that rule doesn't count anymore.
The idea that anyone could possibly miss the hypocrisy of these positions makes my head hurt. But it is clear that most people cannot fathom such simple concepts.
And for those who missed it, the point isn't who won or who didn't win, who's happy or who is upset.
The point is that we are living in a nation that is not far removed from Soviet era propaganda. In fact, Pravda was probably rarely this overt. Whether they are rowing the boat for my side or the other side isn't really the point.
Americans are supposed to find this sort of thing not just offensive, but dangerous. We are supposed to fight and die to prevent this sort of thing. Not jump up and down in cheer because they are on our team.
When I was a kid, we had a mythos around the press. It might have been bullshit, but we had it. The press was the fourth estate. They existed to ferret out the truth and communicate it to the people. Freedom of speech was paramount. Freedom of speech for all. Even the tiniest suggestion that you are not allowed to speak your mind was universally condemned.
Well, that died pretty quick, didn't it? now we live in a world where everyone is willing to fight and die for your right to shut the hell up and do as you're told.
If you don't find that offensive and somewhat nauseating, I have no idea why you are hanging out around a libertarian site. If you write for reason, and you think that that is all just hunky-dory because they're on the right side, I have no idea why you were even a journalist. but I especially have no idea why you would be at a libertarian publication. You can get a paycheck anywhere.
Ideas matter. And I think the fourth estate matters. Being completely subverted by political party like this is about the most un-American thing I can think of.
And things like this lightning switch between we will ban anyone who dares to claim victory to universal declarations of victory simply due to who the person is that is on the winning side is fairly unmistakable. Our fourth estate should not be a bunch of cheerleaders. At least not for a team.
I'm much prefer my fourth estate to either strive for neutral arbiters of the facts or to be cheerleaders for ideas and ideologies, not for teams.
Cheerleaders for teams are scary. Cheerleaders for teams fail to condemn Democrat politicians who are endorsing the Trump accountability project. Cheerleading for teams gets us into wars all over the world that nobody can even explain where they are much less why they are. Cheerleading for teams gets us overt corruption without even a patina of accountability.
Dude, we do have a propaganda problem, and you are one of its victims. Studies are clear that rightwingers get their “news” from a few select sources while liberals prefer a wide variety of sources. FOX was outright state propaganda these last four years, not to mention the massive dominance of state propaganda on Facebook and on radio. You’re barking up the wrong tree. I know they’re propaganda because of all the lies. But you’d have to be outside that bubble to notice.
The media has done nothing but be overly cautious in calling this race. It’s like every rightwinger is born anew at each election. Things have gone remarkably smoothly in fact. And so far props to try Trumpers for not committing any terrorism. Of course it’s early still.
You just totally ignored his main point.
The MSM doesn't shill for Democrats? Uh huh...yeah, ok.
" FOX was outright state propaganda these last four years"
And CNN and MSNBC were just fair, balanced, objective, and neutral. Uh huh. Sure. Can't wait to see how they do during a Biden presidency.
Anything that runs counter to your worldview is propaganda to you. You're just as brainwashed and you claim rightwingers are. You don't see it because you yourself are in a bubble. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic, especially after your self-congratulatory comments and thinking of yourself as an astute seeker of the truth.
The Left lies too.
The left just doesn’t lie as much. The right, however, is very successful at getting people toned use their lies and incompetence by claiming both sides are the same.
The left doesn’t lie because leftists aren’t internet in hearing lies. We want to engage the world as it is. If someone lies to us, we can consult many of our countless sources of information to check it.
It’s just not the same, but you wouldn’t know the tie you were one of their victims. Do they not tell you day after day, year after year, that all of mainstream news is in a conspiracy against you! Does that not sound fishy to you? Even the BBC?
Hi, Cyto. Interesting post. I too remember when elections were called that night. I was young but I think they called Mondale losing to Reagan before midnight. I think they called 1992 for Clinton by morning.
I part company with you when you say that it's a party doing this. I think What and Who are doing it and Why are very important questions but I do not think it's all, only, or even mainly the DNC. I think we all do have to figure it out and that the answers will be slippery. It will probably lead through more than one organization but that doesn't mean that's where it stops. The DNC may have accumulated some of them but frankly I do not think most D-leaners and D-voters are good enough at that type of head game to initiate it. It bothers me too but we have to look past one easy answer.
I never said not meant to imply that calling elections was a DNC only thing, although 2000 was unquestionably a vote suppression effort. The DNC candidate had family in the room, for crying out loud.
There was much gnashing of teeth over the issue of calling states before the polls closed, so the media came up with informal guidelines on that.
But I agree with the notion that bug D and big R are playing for the same team, and it ain't our team.
Team D is dealing with a. Insurgency that is even worse, while team R has successfully killed off their populist threat. Probably.
They really should give you a guest column spot, Cyto.
No Party, now State, has ever had the centralized psyop power that the left has.
They control everything.
It's game over.
they sure waited to call Florida this year
Billy, it's so good to know that Biden isn't as bad as we thought.
Are you serious? Gun Czar Beto O'Rourke? Secretary of the Treasury Elizabeth Warren? Who'll be Secretary of Energy? AOC?
There won't be a free market type allowed within 1000 ft of the White House.
Billy's articles aren't meant to be taken seriously by people with knowledge and critical thinking skills.
They're just supposed to be enjoyed by the kind of people who enjoy them.
You're used to reading books, noting facts, and analyzing things. Billy's movie is about a talking dog. You're not supposed to notice that dogs can't talk.
. . . although they can sing and accompany themselves on the piano!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6nhSDAKRj8
Biden is a neo-liberal. Stop hyperventilating.
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What is that supposed to mean?
"Biden believes the Green New Deal is a crucial framework for meeting the climate challenges we face. It powerfully captures two basic truths, which are at the core of his plan: (1) the United States urgently needs to embrace greater ambition on an epic scale to meet the scope of this challenge, and (2) our environment and our economy are completely and totally connected."
----Joe Biden campaign website.
"THE BIDEN PLAN FOR A CLEAN ENERGY REVOLUTION AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE"
https://joebiden.com/climate-plan/
He's a "neo-liberal" who wants to reorganize our economy around emissions standards and social justice.
Fuck that, fuck socialism, and fuck Joe Biden.
but is he a crook?
Oh good, you redefined the neo-liberal moniker.
Pray tell, when Biden is declared infirm and removed via 25 amendment, shall we call Cameltoe neo-liberal, or just plain sociopath stalinist.
You really have no idea what you're in for here, do you.
A neo-liberal is someone who uses the coercive power of government to reorganize the economy along the lines of environmental and social justice?!
My first guess is that this guy has internalized some bullshit. It happen to all of us. I can still remember advertising jingles from when I was a kid.
Hold the pickles hold the lettuce,
Special orders don't upset us,
All we really ask
is that you pretend socialism is neoliberalism.
Two all beef patties special sauce lettuce cheese pickles onions on a sesame seed bun! Oh wait, you were doing BK and that's McDick. My bad.
Hey remember downthread when you admitted you gave a tiny dick?
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The unifying statement of our time, and yet none will hear it. For shame
All these Biden people seem to think we don't know what Biden is talking about, but it seems like all they have to offer to show otherwise is the voice of Joe Biden that only exists in their heads.
Have you even looked at what Joe Biden has really said?
Do you know whether Biden has promised to follow through on the deal Trump signed with the Taliban to get us out of Afghanistan by the end of April?
"Do you know whether Biden has promised to follow through on the deal Trump signed with the Taliban to get us out of Afghanistan by the end of April?"
Does he?
Well, Biden is a "neo-liberal", so instead of looking at Biden's policies, and whether he said we should keep 8.000 troops in Afghanistan indefinitely, we should all just stop hyperventilating.
I haven't looked at his platform, which I can see that you have studied. As I've said before, I'll start worrying about Biden doing everything on his agenda as soon as Trump finishes his wall.
The establishment Republicans were often working overtime to moderate President Trump.
Joe Biden will have the opposite issue. The Democrats in Congress are far more radical than he is--and even he wants to institute a national confiscation plan, spend $1 trillion to bail out the states, and institute the Green New Deal.
Congressional Republicans were the resistance to Trump, and that resistance was more moderate than Trump was.
Biden is the resistance to the Democrats in Congress, and as radical as they are, he's far more radical than you seem to realize.
It's not the same thing.
P.S. A Republican victory in the Georgia senate races is by no means assured.
I think you give the lunatic fringe too much credit. And didn't the Republicans keep the Senate? That should create some gridlock. It's not as bad as you appear to believe.
One vote with Susan Collins doesn't make "gridlock" exactly, and, as I said, a Republican victory in Georgia is by no means assured.
In fact, it is probably unlikely that the voters of Georgia will go into the booth and vote for one Republican and one Democrat. Much more likely that either both Republicans win or both Republicans lose. In the latter case, no, the Republicans will not keep the senate.
Perdue beat ossoff by over 100,000 votes even with a LP candidate.
Georgia helped relect Trump and will have two republican US senators.
The progressive caucus will have some leverage. It’s how a Congress works. You may not like their policies, but they are a minority, and their radicalism is relative. Wanting a Nordic social welfare state analogue shouldn’t be outside the Overton window.
Fascism and Qanon horseshit should be outside that window.
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You saying the Trump administration supports free markets? Can you say trade war, protectionism, subsidies...
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Your mom is a senile old man?
Yes actually.
He said you were small down there too.
At least I have reproductive organs, instead of reproducing by fission.
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You're bacteria and you're saying my ass is tiny? Dude....
We’re all 90% bacteria by cell count. Kinda puts arguments over tax policy into perspective.
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lmao... Can you say --- Democrats voted FAR more for subsidies than Trump and the GOP did???? Can you admit that the U.S. Constitution gives international trade regulation entirely to the U.S. Federal Government ( I'm guessing because the USA cannot regulate foreign market corruption w/o any means to enforce laws there and do it ).
But what's funnier is that the ONLY reason you can dig up to ditch on the Trump Administration in the face of Socialist-Pushers?
I think you have me confused with the voices in your head. Because whatever you're arguing against isn't something I said. Oh, that rhymes!!
Holy shit. Did someone blow the "Trolls Assemble!" horn?
And what would that horn sound like?
A wet fart?
The other day I coughed while taking a crap and it all came out at once. Was just like reading the comments.
Come on you rightly get a lot of shit butvyou your comments aren't THAT bad, don't be so hard on yourself.
*cough cough*
See that's better, choke back those tears.
The only tears I see are the ones streaming down the faces of the Trump supporters.
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Well you're here, so yes?
Seriously.
There is a reason that a significant portion of the calm, rational and sometimes intelligent commentariate abandoned this place to form their own forum.
Can you send me a private message somehow to tell me where that forum is?
Glibertarians.com
No trolls allowed. Otherwise a pretty diverse group of misfits.
Wonderful people from every walk of life. It reminds me of the crowd at Balko's old blog, the Agitator. Maybe not as high minded, but similarly cordial and often thoughtful.
Thank you. "No trolls allowed" though, yes, hm, there is that fundamental conflict between keeping an environment of free speech and a potential power of censorship to retain civil discourse. I will sure take a look at it though, thx. Got to see it for myself.
Unreason sent all the bots in to protect the MSM biden announcement that Biden has not lost to Trump.
Its so clear that unreason and the other propagandists are trying protect his election fraud.
Trump vs biden victory for Trump is gonna send Lefties to jump off buildings.
I have a question for the people who want the Senate to go blue as well:
Are you for permanently eliminating checks and balances in the federal government?
Political parties were not part of the Madisonian plan. Neither was Mitch McConnell.
Furthermore, there has been no bigger accelerant to presidential power than divided Congress, and that goes for Obama and Trump.
Checks and balances are about power between the branches, not veto power on democracy by a rural minority.
If balance between branches is what it is about, and I know this, then what do you think about the possibility of a blue congress and blue president to have combined leverage to pack the courts with activists, effectively a mechanism where two branches overcome the third one?
Also, rural minorities, with their "redneck culture" are a group to care about just like other minorities that are minorities for their skin color or gender in an industry or whatever. I am not for preferential treatment though, don't get me wrong, and I still celebrate the Californian rejection of affirmative action this year.
This election was AKA vs. KKK.
The bigots lost.
President-elect and President-eject.
Your hero is a senile old man ahahahaha!!!
If you ever met my hero, you would stare at the floor and mumble meekly, 'hello, sir, Mr. Richards, sir."
Haha! That’s great! We aren’t worthy, Keith!
Ahahahah your hero is a senile old man ahahaha!!!!
“Party of progress” ahahaahahahah
"If you ever met my hero, you would stare at the floor and mumble meekly, ‘hello, sir, Mr. Richards, sir.”"
I'm sure you have heroes; Lenin or Stalin, or perhaps Mao will do just fine, asshole bigot.
Well you and your party are the only bigots around. So you're saying you lost then?
Open wider, Sometimes.
Actually, open wider always. You guys are chronic, hopeless losers.
Ahahahah your hero is a senile old man ahahaha!!!
“Party of progress” ahahaahahahah!!!
Open wider, asshole bigot; Willie Brown has something to offer.
Which party openly favors the government treating people differently based on their identity?
A Republican redistricting party?
A Republican election board party?
Your whimpering is entertaining, bigots.
Ahahahah your hero is a senile old man ahahaha
“Party of progress” ahahaahahahah!!!
Georgia will likely stay red though. And that's better for now. There haven't been many votes "for Biden" this year. Instead they were mostly "against Trump", which is also okay. But seeing lunatics like you (sorry about that, but your style really looks like that) in the blue rows makes me think that the best prospect we have is a red-blue congress, so none of the insane people can take over. Because this year, blue would probably feel ready and entitled to use the constitutional loophole of court packing to use the combined leverage of legislative and executive to undo the judicial. I have no problem with a blue president, he won by a thin margin and certainly has no mandate, but this would just be normal democracy. Though I think it would also be perfectly fair to get recounts because with such small margins both sides have an interest in having the results validated. And I am for maximal scrutiny, and all sides should be allowed to be present and see.
You are right though, the bigots lost. That includes the woke left as well, biggest time, and I hope that is not a problem for you.
If they're able to oust Trump and take the presidency through obvious fraud, they'll have a mandate.
And they will wield that mandate with malice and fervor.
That's why I fully support investigations recounts. But Trump needs to step back. If anything, he could alienate voters in Georgia. My guess is that someone who would have been perceived as more likable by the general public, but with the same "political mechanics" as Trump, would have defeated Biden by a comfortable margin.
Fortunately, socialism is nothing that historically happens to an armed public.
Investigations AND recounts
Please give us an edit button for Christmas this year.
There is some thought among Democrats that to win Georgia they should continually and mercilessly taunt Trump, figuring he will eventually say something good and racist.
Possible. I wouldn't bet on it though. I think, if anything, the elections revealed a disconnect between pro-trump/anti-trump and pro-republican. Actually Trump is a separate political category and Republicans will probably try to get rid of him now.
Many of the RINOs are gone from the GOP or scared of republicans that want Trump.
Then they might come back after Trump is gone (if he goes at all) and thus add votes for red presidential candidates again.
Besides, after googling RINO a moment ago, I found the term "Cuckservative" on wikipedia and laughed rather hard.
After a search for AnyoneStillCareAboutFreedomInHere? I found "steaming pile of lefty shit"
Sounds about right.
LOL something is definitely wrong with your political compass if you think I'm left. Interesting. Or you're just a Sock of Overflow, because I actually see no reason to be attacked by you, just now. And Overflow I have so far found probably has no direction whatsoever, so some of you guys here likely have accounts that are both right and left, just because you need some internet daddies to take care of you.
But thanks for honoring me by googling me, I must have moved you somehow. 😀
Why do you think I am left though? I am genuinely curious what takes you there.
No, the Republican party is effectively dead.
We live in a One Party State now.
Dark winter indeed.
Hey Nardz,
The impulse that lead to Biden winning so narrowly and California (!) rejecting affirmative action will not go away though, because that's the mind of the people. I believe in this country. The impulse of freedom will find a name. It might be Republican or something else. Now I'm bein a borderline-deluded pseudo-visionary, if you will, but maybe this gives us some hope to break the two-party-system?
"There is some thought among Democrats that to win Georgia they should continually and mercilessly taunt Trump, figuring he will eventually say something good and racist."
There is no thought here that the steaming pile of lefty shit Arty will ever post a comment worthy of a sentient being.
Fuck off and die, asshole bigot.
Woah, the pure bile :-DDD Must hurt. Make sure your blood pressure stays within a decent range, you might be at risk (if you're a little older)
But please, tell me what brings you to the conclusion that I am left? I really don't get it. I'm wondering if it is that I said the Republicans will likely separate from Trump. But in fact I think that would help them most too, because I think it would be best if they were able to keep the Senate.
Senator perdue won by over 100,000 votes against Jon ossoff.
Both Georgia incumbents will won reelection.
Trump will win reelection.
Unreason is already crying about the biden loss.
If you think the bigots are on the side of Trump, I have a bridge to sell you.
All you need to know to understand who the racists are is a word and a half. Anti-racism.
If you can't suss out the hard-core racist and even eugenicist roots of that misbegotten ideology, you probably fit right in with David Duke and Louis Farrakhan.
Biden continues to help Reason.com's benefactor even though he hasn't been sworn in yet.
Charles Koch earned $19,400,000 yesterday.
Billionaires and Wall Street overwhelmingly preferred Biden to Drumpf for exactly this reason — because the Democrats are now officially the "party of the rich." That will become even clearer in January when President Biden reverses the high-tariff / low-immigration policies that prevent billionaires from prospering.
#BillionairesKnowBest
"Charles Koch earned $19,400,000 yesterday."
Jeff Bezos has earned $19,400,000 every few hours since January 1. With what Bezos has earned this year and he could buy Charles Koch and have enough left to buy another of the 100 wealthiest persons on Earth.
That's with just this year's earnings. Bezos could buy Charles Koch several times and have enough left over to buy Sheldon Adelson.
The Democrat for the win, as usual.
Ahahahah your hero is a senile old man ahahaha
“Party of progress” ahahaahahahah
Would love to be a fly on the wall in the homes of Hillary, Amy, and Liz as they vent how they really feel that Kamala Harris is going to be the first female President of the United States.
Actually, they're all angling for the jobs in the Biden administration.
Liz Warren wants Secretary of Treasury.
Hillary might love to be Secretary of State again.
Hillary for Attorney General. She will have the last cackle.
I originally scoffed when someone mentioned 'Hillary back in the Cabinet' earlier this week, but when someone mentioned how unhinged it would make the clingers, I warmed to the idea.
Ahahahah your hero is a senile old man ahahaha
"Party of progress" ahahaahahahah
"I originally scoffed when someone mentioned ‘Hillary back in the Cabinet’ earlier this week, but when someone mentioned how unhinged it would make the clingers, I warmed to the idea."
As a steaming pile of lefty shit, I'm sure you'd welcome that crooked hag into the cabinet.
But I'm also sure you wouldn't let her anywhere near your silverware.
Liz Warren get nominated---or Bernie, for that matter---means two D vacancies in the Senate. Which shouldn't be a problem, except it'll be the Governors of Massachusetts and Vermont that appoint their replacements until a special election can be held. Weirdly, both Governors are Republicans.
Those two aren't going a anywhere for awhile.
No way that will happen if Cocaine Mitch still controls the Senate.
Save a spot for Downtown Willie Brown.
A wet spot.
The Jokalama administration.
That's pretty good. What about KamalJoe.
We all know the fake libertarian Block Yomommatard lefties of Reason are celebrating big time.
It doesn’t matter though, by and large they’re still a bunch of fucking losers who can’t get that job at the New York Times or the Washington Post that they covet so much.
I do not accept anything from the corporate media. I will however accept a winner after the Electoral College. Personally I didn't vote for either Trump or Biden and am not vested in either one of the old geezers.
My point is who cares what the corporate media thinks. They have lost all credibility just as much (possibly even more) the Republicans and Democrats have.
To people who openly enjoy others "crying" in this thread:
You are a psychologically damaged, ill minority and no matter how much you think you can make predictions about the general mentality of the American public from your own views, you are bound to fail because you are a malignant emotional husk that is out of touch with the vast majority of people and because of this mental place you are in you likely have not experienced any degree of normal satisfaction in years. You claim that other peoples pain makes you happy, but you might be wrong, because your emotional spectrum probably resembles that of a hyena or a rattle snake or less, and what you take for happiness is probably mixed with self-defeating bile and hate. You are part of the reason we have presidential candidates who cannot get a clear mandate, and it doesn't matter if you're blue, yellow, red or octarine.
Hate trumps love in the New Normal
Maybe we can return to a discussion about issues around here, instead of about the latest reality TV crap coming from President Orange Cheeto.
We could but you just ruined it. So instead we're going to talk about Dementia Joe and his Token Sidekick for the next four years.
I imagine you'll feel somewhat abused.
Ahaha no dice you madw your hero a senile old man and now you get to swallow it ahahahahaa
That's a good idea.
One issue that doesn't get enough attention here is the egregious civil rights violation in which convicted violent felons are prevented from voting while behind bars. I know you're this comment section's leading advocate of allowing serial killers to vote from prison. Since, as you explained, voting comes with citizenship — which is technically not stripped even with a life sentence.
#LibertariansForSerialKillerVoting
chemjeff radical individualist
November.7.2020 at 6:49 pm
"Maybe we can return to a discussion about issues around here, instead of about the latest reality TV crap coming from President Orange Cheeto."
So we are now to ignore your four years of TDS whining and accept that you are other than the lefty shit you are because slobbering Joe eked out a win (maybe)?
Fuck off and die, lefty shit.
Maybe you could grow up, leave your bunker, and have a meaningful discussion on an issue - ANY issue - approached from a position of good faith and reasonable arguments.
There are people who have spent their entire careers working for major movie theater chains who don't project as much as you do.
The joke is going to be on jeff and all the other lefties when they realize their pathetic lives didn’t actually change much at all. They had their one true messiah Obama in there for 8 years, and yet they still hate America and still bitch about the same shit that they have for pretty much forever.
In short, they’re still life’s miserable, bitter, resentful losers and always will be.
Dementia Joe isn't going to last 4 weeks, let alone 4 years. The second his ass hits the Peacock Throne, Hunter's emails will be confirmed and become the top story on CNN.
They lose two years by doing that. And they can keep burying the story if they want. I don't think it happens.
That is a good point. So, January 1st 2022? "House begins impeachment hearings"
These rumors of Biden's "cognitive decline" are as absurd as the 2016 rumors of Clinton's "fragile health" based on that overplayed video of her minor fainting incident.
#BidenIsAsSharpAsEver
#FaintingInSeptemberWeatherIsPerfectlyNormal
I often hear Trump supporters complaining that" you guys don't even give him a chance on policy, you're too obsessed with his character and the Tweeting."
So whose fault is that?
You act as though that feeling was in a vacuum. Like it came out of nowhere. I think, to some degree, this election result is simply that enough people were just plain tired of the daily chaos. WHICH HE CAUSED, VOLUNTARILY.
No one made him pick up his phone and Tweet literally tens of thousands of times. No one forced him to pick fights. You don't get credit for being a "fighter" when you are the one starting all the fights. He own-goaled himself enough times that this was the result.
Trump supporters often cite (wrongly, in my view, but that's another story) his "business expertise." Well, maybe in a mom-and- pop enterprise where you inherit Daddy's company, that "absolute power and excuse my faults" style works. But simply "owning the libs" or "let's go ahead and lead off today with some random Tweet about a news anchor's appearance" or whatever is not a governing philosophy. Show me a Fortune 500 company where a CEO would be retained after four straight years of VOLUNTARILY starting Twitter beefs every day. I'll wait. No? None there? Hmmmmmm.
EVERYTHING was about him. His feelings. His fragility and ego. How "incredible" he was. How anyone that disagreed with anything he said or did "hated America" (because he believes that he alone represents America).
ALL of that is on him.
The irony didn't help matters either. Everyone he hired was "the absolute best ever" until they weren't. His wife ran a "Be Best" campaign while her husband was on a daily basis "being worst" on the Internet. He appointed lobbyists and industry insiders to all of the cabinet posts and the rest were family and friends, and you all called that "draining the Swamp." He misappropriated military funds to (not actually) build the wall and claimed to be the best President ever for the military. He had teams of people just to "explain what he really meant." He hired and fired more people in 4 years than probably the last 5 Presidents combined. All utter chaos.
He never had a real plan. You can say "Russia and impeachment kept him distracted..." Well maybe try not disguising all your business dealings, having shady meetings with shady people, and owing millions to foreigners while you have people pay to stay at your privately owned resorts while on "official business?"
My point is, he brought most of this on himself and enough people were finally tired of it. Also as I said before...you can have your Trump, your Kavanaugh, your Barrett, your four years of "owning the libs" as your only discernible "plan" but never again do I want to hear any Republicans argue about how we need "small government" and "family values" because you traded in any and all credibility on those issues forever to get Trump. I hope it was worth it for you.
ahahahaha your hero is a senile old man and a token aaahaahah
"I often hear Trump supporters complaining that” you guys don’t even give him a chance on policy, you’re too obsessed with his character and the Tweeting.”
So whose fault is that?
Mostly, it's your fault.
Here, I'll give you an example:
"Our troops will remain in Syria for the foreseeable future."
----Joe Biden
"Anybody who thinks occupying Syria is a good idea is a fucking moron!'
----Donald Trump
If the important difference between those two statements to you isn't the trillions of dollars spent, isn't the American lives lost, and isn't the suffering of the Syrian people under occupation. If the important difference between those two statements to you is the way those tweets were worded?!
Then the fault is all yours.
Grow the fuck up already.
It wasn't just the tone, Ken. It was also the content, or lack thereof.
jomo
November.7.2020 at 8:28 pm
"It wasn’t just the tone, Ken. It was also the content, or lack thereof."
You just got handed content, and as a raging TDS victim, you claim otherwise.
Pathetic.
There was a lack of content in the tweets?!
The tweets don't count for shit.
Withdrawing American troops from out of harm's way in Syria, to avoid a full scale war and invasion, on the other hand, that really matters in the real world.
Opposing the Green New Deal actually matters in the real world--regardless of whether Donald Trump tweets something awful. The worst possible outcome is the one where we sacrifice our standard of living on the altar of climate change by way of the Green New Deal--and our sacrifice doesn't have any impact on climate change whatsoever. And that's true regardless of whether Donald Trump's tweets were obnoxious as hell.
If federal taxpayers bail California, Illinois, and New York out of their unfunded pension liabilities, the unions, there, will continue to make outrageous pension demands--to the detriment of federal taxpayers everywhere and for decades into the future. Why should the residents of Florida, Ohio, and Utah pay for the pensions of state employees in California, Illinois, and New York anyway--when they neither reside in nor are eligible to vote in those states? That bailout was awful and wrong and stupid--regardless of whether Donald Trump's tweets are obnoxious. And Donald Trump was right to refuse to sign any stimulus bill that bailed out the states.
Negotiating safe third country agreements with the northern triangle countries was an excellent and legitimate way to alleviate the asylum crisis--regardless of Donald Trump's tweets.
Working with Putin to wipe out ISIS in Syria was the entirely correct decision to make--regardless of whether Trump's tweets were awful.
In fact, there isn't anything in the real world that changes because Donald Trump tweets something obnoxious.
I've had bosses who were clearly quite conservative politically that could still lead effectively and efficiently, and for whom I worked gladly and efficiently.
They frequently succeeded in effectively leading their teams through techniques like clear and relevant instructions, accountability, a coherent policy*, and rewarding good work, and decent behavior with raises and promotions
Donald Trump neither is nor does any of those things.
*as opposed to, say, watching Fox and then literally tweeting one's feelings about whatever they were just talking about as though one had just had an epiphany. It got to the point where you could either watch Fox or read Breitbart and predict with reasonable certainty what new EO was coming in the next few days. It's like they handed him (at his behest) a daily list of "ways to own the libs" and he just ran with it, and never failed to make it about him. That is just tiring, to put it mildly and wastes years. He's great at getting people riled up but is a terrible leader over any significant period of time. If he hadn't been born into wealth, he would not in my opinion have found nearly so much success.
See, now if his enemies had explained it like that, instead of calling his supporters horrible people and making them defensive, maybe they could have converted people. OTH, if the only guy you got willing to actually fight is an asshole, you're still gonna go with the guy willing to fight.
Did your boss negotiate and execute a deal to totally withdraw all U.S. troops from Afghanistan by April of 2021? Because Trump did.
Biden opposed that deal. Said the U.S. should keep 8,000 troops in Afghanistan indefinitely, and he said it in support of a bill to try and force Trump to maintain our presence there.
Did your boss promise to bankrupt the gun manufacturers by making them liable for the crimes committed with the guns they manufacture? Did your boss promise to institute an assault weapons ban and track all the assault weapons that have already been sold? Did your boss promise to ban the sale of guns and ammo online? Did your boss promise to create a nationwide gun confiscation plan? Because Biden promised to do all of those things on his website. Read it for yourself.
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
When Trump had to deal with the Las Vegas shooting, the worst we got was a bumpstock ban.
Did Joe Biden single-handedly defeat a $3.5 trillion stimulus bill that included a $1 trillion bailout of the states? Because Trump did.
if you're so fucking stupid, you can't tell the difference between the real world and the way someone tweets, tell your boss to fire you--but ask him to do it nicely. Do you even care whether you're fired--so long as you're fired nicely?
My commentary was more directed towards reasons Trump lost as opposed to reasons Biden won or should have won. I also did not throw any invectives at you.
Regardless, the horrifying effects of Joe Biden's policies will be far worse than the negative impact of Donald Trump's tweets.
And, yet, there really are millions of Americans who voted to let Joe Biden sic hi policies on us--because they were sick of Donald Trump's tweets.
Those people need to be confronted with their delusions, and thinking that the way things are described is more important than the way things really are is practically the definition of delusional.
The next time we have a president doing a while list of fantastic things right, but you can't stand his tweets? Instead of trying to justify the delusional behavior of people who can't tell the difference between the tone of tweets and reality, we might try persuading them to stay the fuck off of Twitter.
Trump lost because there was a pandemic and Democrat governors were able to ram through vote by mail, enabling a months long ground game in a handful of cities to harvest ballots.
Whether legitimate or not, one cannot deny the historic nature of this effort. Books will be written about the effort to harvest all those votes. Academic careers will be made.
That was the election. And that is all.
The results are essentially unchanged from 2016. Just slightly different counts flipping a few states.
That is the remarkable thing. With 30% unemployment for much of the year, dramatic tanking of the economy, the entire nation on lockdown from Covid and a quarter million dead.... A press that was more propaganda machine than news reporter, 3 years of fraudulent investigations and impeachment...
And he actually increased his support. ...
Across all demographics. Well, except a softening among white men. A little.
So, although I would have a couple of hundred reasons to hang "why he lost" on, the truth is nothing he did or did not do changed the result. Team D turned out their city vote where they needed it, not with policy or slogans, but by hand walking the better part of a million ballots to the polls in just the right places.
jomo
November.7.2020 at 8:45 pm
"I’ve had bosses who were clearly quite conservative politically that could still lead effectively and efficiently, and for whom I worked gladly and efficiently.
Donald Trump neither is nor does any of those things.[...]"
Aw, you didn't get the mommy you wanted! What a shame!
You and Ken are both completely missing the point. I'm not saying, and never have said, that tweeting alone was reason to vote against him. I shouldn't have to keep restating the obvious points to be found in what I did write.
I honestly don't even know what your reply here is supposed to mean, but as usual it is devoid of any content other than an insult. Year after year, you do this. ""Fuck off lefty POS" and whatever this is are all you're able to come up with? You'll have to do better.
At least I'm not in thrall of someone that openly cheats at golf and can't even make money running a casino.
Kept Clinton out. That alone was worth it.
TRUMP LIVES IN MY HEAD RENT FREE AND IT'S ALL TRUMP'S FAULT!!!!!
C'mon guys. We can take this to 1000 posts. Keep em coming.
They came. All of them. A big fucking mess.
So, just a word of caution to those Trump apologists who think some kind of legal process could occur up to SCOTUS that would overturn the election...ain’t gonna happen! There isn’t anyway in hell a SC will overturn an election in which one candidate got 306 electoral votes, as well as millions more in the popular vote. Even Barrett isn’t willing to do that, because it would take a belief in a nationwide conspiracy, and even Jesse Walker would laugh.
To paraphrase Yogi, it’s over WHEN it’s over...and it’s over!
Have a great evening...we are!
Best,
Jack
So, if the Court overturned some of the BS like the PA Supreme Court violating the Constitution- then Joe Biden doesn't have 306 Electoral Votes, does he?
You’re never gonna invalidate enough votes to overturn it. Ain’t happening! And there ain’t anyway a SC...any SC...will actively attempt to overturn the will of that many people. All of them, including Thomas, want no part of that.
But keep hope alive!
Its election fraud and millions of illegal mailin ballots.
There is no democrat will of the people. You lefties are fucking insane and delusional.
This the last chance to stop Democrats from attacking the SCOTUS directly and you really think the 5-3 majority will let that happen? The conservative justices didnt let that happen in 2000.
Let me put it this way...on Jan 20, you’ll be looking at President Biden. I’m 100% sure of that...check back, ok? No matter how much that whining baby Trump protests, it’s over. Y’all have the right to do all you can to beat back his agenda...that’s life...but you’ll never beat back him in the Oval Office now.
Have a martini...it eases the pain!
I've had several deubks already, thanks. It does help. But, you're simply wrong if you think a couple court decisions can't make Trump the winner. PA, AZ, WI, and probably MI are all still in play.
I have no idea what a "deubk" is, but, apparently, I've had too many.
Set me up! I’ve had too many martinis! But have a great rest of the weekend! As Will Ferrell said, everyday is all we’ve got!
By the way, how is it possible this blog doesn’t have an edit function yet? Just hire a high schooler!
Naw, it's an editorial decision. They don't want people to get called out on something and then be able.to go back and memory hole it. Which I agree with. I'll put up with sugarfreed links and typos to keep people honest.
Have a good night.
There’s another blog I’ve participated in and you get one minute to edit. Then it’s set.
That's slick. If I were the editor here, I'd ask if that improvement was worth the cost, because well, is the comments section worth it?. Useful for sf-ed links and typos, while worthless for Orwellian stuff. Figure the code shouldn't be too much work, since it's already time stamped.
Hey, jackass! Glad to see you again!
How about telling us how the magic words are gonna make the CA wildfires go away?
Magic seems about all you're capable of, and it must be magic to say those words and make them go away!
Or are you just one more lefty shit watermelon?
Yep.
Fuck off and die.
"By the way, how is it possible this blog doesn’t have an edit function yet? Just hire a high schooler!"
Well, if you ever get out of the 6th grade, perhaps you'll be able to offer your services, lefty shit.
What is Trump´s factual/legal theory for overcoming Biden´s margins in PA, AZ, WI and MI? Fraud is easy to squawk about but difficult to adduce supporting facts.
Not really. We literally have it on fucking video and Trump has already won 2 lawsuits.
What video and what 2 lawsuits? Please be specific.
"...Have a great evening…we are!"
Best,
Jack"
Fuck off and die!
Worst,
Sevo
Remember when Trump said "I Could Stand In the Middle Of Fifth Avenue And Shoot Somebody And I Wouldn't Lose Any Voters"? This Libertarian got 680 votes.
oops https://mustreadalaska.com/murder-in-mat-su-libertarian-candidate-for-senate-now-in-jail/
These flickers have a lot of balls giving an acceptance speech at this point. They are also lying their asses off.
Big Brother has decided.
Stop resisting.
Just lie back and take it.
For the rest of your life, however long The Party decides it will be.
Welcome to the New Normal.
I, for one, appreciate Biden’s call for national unity.
Are black people who voted for Trump black again?
Also, a democrat called me a racist bigot homophobe because I didn’t think Washington DC should be a state. Will BS like that stop now?
So you appreciate Dementia Joe's call for nationalism?
Oh good I guess we have borders again. The media will decide to ignore what happens at the border and the SQUAD won't drive down there to look at the toilets.
Have you owned up to your racism and white privilege? Have you pledged to be an anti racist?
No?
Then exactly what are you doing to further unity?
Conversation with a friend yesterday:
[Redacted]: We've been held down qnd out for more than 400 yrs. There's definitely a headscart for most wp. We have been treated worse than cattle our whole lives and just now the last 50 yrs were getting a voice.
And an opportunity. Its time for repurations, time for change, time for justice
Nardz: What would you like from me, [redacted]?
[Redacted]: To shut the fuck up? Is that bad??? Or should we continue on with our lives like my black Americans aren't still getting killed in the streets for no reason? Getting back to normal racism seems like the likely solution but there needs to be change. I dont have the answers [nardz] and im tired of all my white friends/acquaintances asking what can they do? Its not up to me. Its never up to the oppressed to make change its up to the ppl that aren't oppressed to realistic there is a systematic problem we have and make change for the betterment of the human race.
Nardz: And me shutting the fuck up is what's required to make change for the betterment of the human race?
[Redacted]: No....that was an angry response in which I followed it up with other things.... I dont have the answers
Nardz: So you want other people to do things, but you don't know what you want them to do?
[Redacted]: http://bthechange.com/4-steps-we-can-take-as-white-people-to-fight-racism-a582e826eb92
My friend has his literal dream job, which he got straight out of college (due to connections), makes very good money, comes from an upper middle class suburban 2-parent household, is married to his high school crush (who also has a high paying job), has 2 toddlers, and recently bought his first house (in the suburbs).
He's literally living the American dream.
No, the latinos who voted for Trump are white supremacists, though.
Huh. This year was so cute as a baby back in January.
Right? And its not even over. By December we will either have Biden as president elect, or if Trump pulls off a miracle we will have rioting probably like we haven't seen before. And because this year is full of surprises there is still time for a supervolcano or alien invasion
Unless/until the Electoral College votes for Biden next month, he's not President Elect.
If Trump loses with very similar vote counts as are now being reported, Jo Jorgensen and the Libertarian Party will be an even bigger spoiler than Ralph Nadar and the Green Party in 2000, as Jorgensen's vote total is now larger than Biden's margin of victory in PA, WI, GA and AZ.
I expect that Trump will accomplish more in the next 2 months (indictments against 2016 coup plotters, many more federal judges, lots of pardons, and many more executive actions) than Biden could accomplish in his first two years as President, if he could last that long.
If Biden becomes president, and If history repeats itself, Republicans will take control of the US House in 2022.
If Pelosi is reelected Speaker in January, Democrats will have a much smaller majority (likely about 18 instead of 35), and it will be for more difficult for the House to pass left wing legislation.
If Republicans hold the two Senate seats in Georgia (which is likely unless Atlanta Democrats manufacture lots of votes), Mitch McConnell can derail any truly bad left wing legislation approved by the House.
Also, the US Supreme Court could overturn any unconstitutional executive orders issued by the next President.
2016 coup plotters? What are you talking about?
Fuck off and die, lefty shit.
"This is a time to heal!"
----Joe Biden
Victory Speech, November 7, 2020
"Suck my dick, you crook!"
----Ken Shultz
November 7, 2020
"Yeah, suck his dick, you crook!"
—- DenverJ
Weird fantasy you.
Still if Joe sucks your dick I would watch that. -Kamala
Yeah, elsewhere I posted my Jokalama thing I'm trying to start, and somebody replied with KamalJoe, which, while clever, is a bit crude for me.
That turned me on. I'm going to go shoot myself now.
“Yeah, suck his dick, you crook!”
—- DenverJ
literal lol
Here in PA, Republicans did very well (other than the ongoing Biden vote fiasco), as they defeated the incumbent Democrat Treasurer, replaced the Democrat Auditor General, expanded their controlling margins in the Senate and House, defeated the longstanding Democrat House leader, and picked up a US Congressional seat.
With huge margins in the PA Senate and House, Republicans will be in good shape for redrawing Congressional districts (after the
partisan Democrat PA Supreme Court illegally gerrymandered the Congressional districts in 2017 to give Democrats three more seats).
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It would be interesting if AG Barr issued an indictment against
the Biden family (for corruption) during the next 2 months, as well as indictments against all of the 2016 plotters of the coup against
Trump.
There are going to be no indictments, Bill. Sorry. May not have been any if Trump would have won.
You don't get indictments for corruption against the winners in a Third World kleptocracy, and that's what we're turning into now. Enjoy the legal weed.
Never gonna happen. Durham already signalled that he was killing the whole thing when he lead out his only case.
The documents from the Flynn discovery make it really clear. There can be no debate about "Russian interference" and "conspiracy theories". They have it in their own handwritten notes. Clinton cooked up the Russia collusion scheme, Brennan briefed Obama on it and minutes later the CIA had the FBI spying on Trump's team, manufacturing criminal indictments for the sole purpose of undermining the duly elected president.
Biden actively participated in the decision making. Sally Yates herself fingers him on the Flynn setup.
And all of you guys who were so terrified that a Russian asset might be in the White House are cheering on the reinstallation of these people to power.
To paraphrase Joe Biden, if you are happy these folks are back, you ain't Libertarian.
And you ain't too terribly bright either.
We are now a one party state with an an omnipotent security apparatus.
And "libertarians" are either bragging that they caused it sticking their heads in the sand and shrugging it off.
I will not mourn them.
I was thinking of your well-written series of posts on exactly how the Russia hoax was being buried with the deal Durham accepted.
It's a bad sign when you can't rely on the federal cops or US Attorneys to punish corruption.
Trump's Justice Department could go after Biden for tax evasion for not claiming the income from Hunter's shady deals and kickbacks.
It's never been Trump's justice department.
I find it interesting that Trump got the highest minority vote of any Republican candidate since 1960, while also doubling his percentage of the LGB vote, and increasing his vote among suburban white women... and then lost the election.
And, of course, the segue was how well the Republicans did in downstream votes. If Republicans win House and Senate seats that they are predicted to lose, that means they won in turnout. If they win in turnout, that means they should win the presidency. And they won the turnout in the swing states. That the press has just declared have all gone to Biden. While votes are still be counted in said swing states. With court challenges already filed. It's propaganda.
The MSM and unreason were liars and propagandist the day before the election and nothing has changed.
Barrett, kavanugh, thomas, gorsuch, and alito correcting democrat election fraud in multiple states will be one of most important SCOTUS in the history of America. It needs to be done. Without a fraud- free federal election our Republic is finished and Democrats are coming for conservatives on the SCOTUS.
It was like the SCOTUS publicly correcting the japanese internment cases. It needed to be done.
Trump vs biden is going to go poorly for Biden and the Democrats.
Are you two done jerking each other off?
Are you done making an ass of yourself?
This from Lefties who say "Biden won" over and over in the MSM to act as if it were true.
Isn't it possible that people were ok with getting rid of Trump as POTUS while still voting to retain (R) Senate control? You don't see that as a plausible theory?
Not really.
This is like the people who tell you why the stock market went up or down. "Stocks were up on news that indonesian bean farmers settled their strike.....". It is all tea leaf reading.
Nobody voted for Biden so they could have divided government. Nobody voted for Trump so they could have divided government.
People came out in drives because they liked Trump's America first populism, the improved economy and the turn away from war.
People came out in drives against Trump because they bought the opposite narrative... That Trump is uniquely awful.
The trump support is broad and national. It builds a coalition beyond traditional bedfellows.
But the Democrat political machine managed to get mail in ballots in Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee and atlanta in historic numbers.. some areas surpassing 100% turnout.
It was just enough to squeak out a win in the old "blue firewall" states.
You can tell that the difference was the harvesting of ballots and not some organic difference in support because there was no such magical numbers in cities that did not have such efforts. Orlando, ft Lauderdale, miami, jacksonville, cleveland, .. all had votes counted the night of the election and had numbers come in simultaneously to the rest of their state. And there were no demographic anomalies. In the states where the Democrat strongholds only reported 17% of the vote when the rest of the state was 90+% in, trump did not see big jumps in minority vote totals, despite election day polling that showed the opposite.
Now, that could be down to the timing of those votes... With many mail in ballots being harvested long before election day, opinions had time to change.
But it sure is curious. And it sure does not signal some sort of national will for increased socialism but more Republican checks on it but get rid of trump but also put more Republicans in control of lower office.
No, making sense of this thing as an aggregate decision of the national consciousness is not going to make any sense.
https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1325193658170134531?s=19
Continued statistical analysis shows wild numbers of people who voted ONLY for Joe Biden and didn’t vote further down the ticket:
Pennsylvania — 98,000
Georgia — 80-90,000
Arizona — 42,000
Michigan — 69- 115,000
Wisconsin — 62,836
I have people going through all the anomalies.
What we are seeing in the data is astronomically out of whack with 2016.
In 2016 there was a circa 150k difference in top ticket only voting between Trump and Clinton.
This year shows a circa 500k difference.
It’s just not credible.
"And they won the turnout in the swing states. That the press has just declared have all gone to Biden. While votes are still be counted in said swing states. With court challenges already filed. It’s propaganda."
You can't have riots against Biden getting the election stolen from him---should Trump's legal actions bear fruit---if he never gets awarded the win by the media. Fast forward three weeks, the media---Reason included---cranking out article after article about all the changes Biden will make, and all the healing that will happen, only to see the Supreme Court yoink the votes away?
My favorite way of a accomplishing that, which means it won't happen, would be for the court to rule that problematic ballots weren't segregated per the Court's prior order, and their co-mingling makes it that an accurate total can't ever be determined. Accordingly, if the state legislature doesn't then pick a slate of Electors, by some legally acceptable method, the EVs simply aren't counted. The point would be to deny 270 to either candidate, and let the House pick the winner. Then maybe we can join the rest of the civilized world and get a halfway honest election.
Anyway, if Trump won, by such a legal ruling, there'd be absolute bedlam in the streets. Should the Right eventually find its balls, and decide to fight against this abject fraud, and hilariously one-sided media treatment of the whole election mess, there'd obviously be strive and disorder too. Chaos is the point, for who ever is backing these kinds of Color Revolution shenanigans.
The only recourse would be a revote. And in a revote, Trump would win handily because it would be a traditional election. Where you show up and vote in person.
No 3 month ground game in concentrated cities.
It would be hard to argue over the legitimacy of the winner if Wi, PA, GA and MI all had a revote. Trump would likely win all 4.
And it ain't happening. No court is overturning the election. They already signalled as much when they allowed the changes counter to PA law by the PA court.
But there is a path to legitimacy available. A path that everyone except those who still have not accepted Hillary's loss would accept.
In fact, now that I consider it, I am even more convinced that it won't happen. Democrats would surely know that they could not win a revote. They could never match their unprecedented turnout in those key urban districts. It would legitimize not only Trump as president, but all of the conspiracy theories about Democrats stealing the election.
So they would not allow it. They would riot on election day to prevent a vote in those cities, refusing to participate. Just like nascient democracies around the world with insurgent parties that seek power.
So no.. ain't happening.
Zero chance.
A revote wasn't a possible remedy in Bush v. Gore (AFAIK). Why would it be considered here?
I agree with you; it's a far preferable method than others for settling this. I don't see it happening. Nor, if it did, half of the country accepting the results.
Which is the ultimate problem this country faces.
If the states cannot get election fraud under control throw out state ECs entirely and then under the 12th Amendment, the election goes to Congress to vote.
Good summary of what possibilities there are going forward:
https://twitter.com/APhilosophae/status/1325135291791839232?s=19
It's a decent first cut. There are a few missing steps in their analysis.
Having stated it before here, I obviously agree with their conclusion that this needs to end up in the House of Representatives. I just don't think the courts and state legislators will have the sand to do it in the light of three plus weeks of the media whining about how this was a fair election, Trump's trying to steal it, and the courts are preventing the country from healing.
Plus, there's always the hint that the judges and legislators at question, won't survive unscathed if they start screwing around with 'what has already been decided.'
No, I think we're screwed.
Some know what's up though.
http://www.zerohedge.com/political/civil-war-it-then
Any Trump appointee on the courts are fooling themselves if they thing Democrats wont impeach them or otherwise get rid of them
Its now or never to stand up to Democrats. That's what happened in 2000. SCOTUS stood up to Democrat election fraud.
Most Democrats are not even old enough to remember 2000 Bush vs Gore decision and they dont talk about it. Same thing will happen when a bunch of mail-in ballots are tossed and Trump vs Biden gives Trump his duly elected second term.
sorry, lots of independents (and some Republicans) don't want the Democrats running Congress but were eager to vote Trump out, thinking Biden is a "moderate", because they don't like Trump's personality, or think he's not stable, or think he botched the COVID-19 response (because the media told them so).
just be glad the Senate is going blue
No they didn't.
The vote went just as it did in 2016, with increased turnout.
The difference was a much better ground game in a few cities with the newly introduced vote by mail. That is all.
It is an impressive feat, by the way.
But not a sign of independent voters abandoning trump.
http://twitter.com/laralogan/status/1325206559635419136?s=19
Yup. Trump got more votes than in 2016 and the LP got less votes overall.
Yeah, interesting. We either really underestimate the crotchety white guy demographic......or Biden is a crook
To be fair, Biden isn't the mastermind behind this. There probably isn't one mastermind. Just a concerted effort by everyone to pull him across the finish line by hook or by crook.
This is clearly a co-conspiracy between the MSM, Democrats, and zealot ballot handlers. Like always.
Democrats ALWAYS try to have target election fraud swing an election. It's just never been on this scale with mail-in ballots.
2000 in Florida was an attempt by a certain Democrat county to swing the entire election. These Democrats are zealots and consider it an honor to steal an election for their candidate.
For those who don't know what he is talking about, the Palm Beach county election supervisor said on national TV that they would keep counting until Al Gore was the president.
Broward county had the same issues.
Both counties have continued to have election problems since 2000. neither county has been able to count their votes at the same pace that the rest of the state has.
Those who follow elections say that the way you steal an election is to wait and see how many votes the other team has before you count your votes. Then you know how many votes you need. You can only steal a close election, otherwise you will get caught.
So Broward county takes many times longer to count their votes than anywhere else in the state. Most places have their vote totals in shortly after the polls close. Maybe three or five hours. But Broward county takes 20 hours.
Except not this year. The governor replaced the elections supervisors in Broward county and Palm Beach county, just as he replaced the corrupt sheriff of Broward county.
The new people are all Democrats. But they are apparently honest Democrats. And magically the votes got counted at the same rate as the rest of the state. And there was no mysterious jump in votes for one party only in those jurisdictions.
Its also a lie when Lefties say "there is no widespread election fraud".
Its target election fraud for counties and states that matter to that particular election and are close enough to steal. Democrats dont need to risk violating the law to steal California for Biden, he will win Commifornia.
Its a conspiracy of zealots who talk among themselves in a particular precinct. Kind of like how looters know exactly which stores are getting hit. They dont use FB and Twitter.
Case in point, a neighbor of my sister took her retarded son to vote Democrat every election cycle. They came from New Haven, CT. She gets Georgia state benefits for him, so he is likely not mentally fit to vote on his own. She "helped" him vote.
Now that the left wing media outlets (who lied about Trump and were Biden's chief campaigners for the past six months) have declared Biden the next President, don't be surprised if/when Twitter, Facebook, and many other media outlets censor all truthful claims pointing out that Biden has NOT been elected president (until/unless the Electoral College does so next month).
They are trying but federalist and websites outside their control are getting massive visits.
Democrats bluffed a biden victory and Trump went all in to call their bluff.
hey LC1989 why didn't Trump win in a landslide like you said?
For the same reason slobbering Joe didn't lefty shit: there were a whole lot of Trump voters regardless of the media bias and they got out the vote.
Joe the Ho managed to sneak out a victory - so far.
I never claimed Biden would win in a landslide. I wasn't even confidant Biden would win. Lc1989 was talking so much shit about Trump winning in a landslide. I wanna know what happened?
Fuck off and die, lefty shit.
Trump did win in a landslide.
Trump won WI, MI, PA, NC, GA, AZ, and NV.
One more state for Trump than in 2016 and millions more people voted for Trump in 2020 than 2016.
Democrats are trying to commit election fraud and prevent that landslide.
Its clear when they said "count every vote" but then didn't let counting finish before they have Biden picking his fake cabinet.
Except Trump didn't win all the states you listed.
You can say Trump won, voter fraud, the SC will make Trump president all you want. Doesn't change reality. I know you don't live in reality, it's a big reason you love Trump so much.
FYI if you think rioting was bad at the height of George Floyd protests see what happens if the SC gave Trump an illegitamate victory after he appointed 3 of the justices. 2 under controversial circumstances.
You can say Trump won in a landslide all you want. Biden won the popular vote and the EC. The majority of the country doesn't want Trump.
You don't want the SC to cheat Biden Lc1989 because the it's pieces of shit like you who'd have their head on a pike first. Your guns won't protect you cuz there are way more of us, and we have guns too.
President elect is the term they're using. It's the term that gets used every election. Trump was "president elect Trump" between 11/9/2016 and 1/20/2017.
Sorry your so butthurt Trump lost. The rare moments I watched CNN it did surprise me how pro-Biden they were.
However I don't envy journalists covering Trump. He said and did so many things that deserve criticism, but the Trump will claim bias if the media doesn't kiss his ass.
Calling the media the enemy of the people.
His voter fraud claims.
It'll be interesting how the media adjusts to Biden. I would like them to continue to be critical of whoever is president.
Hahahahahahahahaha. The media got Biden elected! Don't piss down my neck and then tell me it's raining.
Trump got Biden elected. The media that was anti Trump was because Trump's treated the media like shit. All presidents treat the media bad, but Trump was another level.
you must be a sock from one of the writers, because regular voters don't care about the media...even Democrats
What are basing that off of? I was replying to someone who claimed the media got Biden elected. Pointing out why the media doesn't like Trump is a reasonable response to that.
I guess "sock" is the new TDS. "I'm going to accuse you of being a sock so I dont have to address your argument"
It's an appeal to motive ad hominem.
I can assure you I don't give two shots about reason writers.
"Regular voters don't care about the media. Even Dems."
You would know this how? I assume you're not a Dem so you can't speak for them. Also you can't speak for "regular voters" because that's a diverse group.
I was replying to someone who claimed the media got Biden elected, and replied that Trump is responsible for the media not liking him because he's so hostile, volatile, and lies so much. Calling the media the enemy of the people isn't gonna get you better coverage. It does tell you the kind of people he's appealing to.
Hilary Clinton was right when she said half were a basket full of deplorables.
Fuck off and die, lefty shit.
The MSM is the enemy of America and Americans and this is another example of why.
This is another example why your are an inbred, far right, Nazi, crackpot.
Lc1989 illustrates why Trump is dangerous. This nutjobs takes everything Trump says as gospel.
TRUMP LOST! Move on. Get back to fucking your sister. Thr will take your mind of the pain of losing for a little bit.
So the Trump fanboys are still claiming fraud? I'm not saying it's not possible for something like that to come out between now and inauguration, but it would of been reported by now most likely.
I know many Trump fanboys will never face reality. it's looking like the polls underestimated Trump in Florida and Ohio and a few points nationally, but Arizona and Georgia going to Biden was suprising. This may have been a realigning election, and going forward the polls will adjust.
I do get schadenfreude seeing the Trump fanboys scream about fraud and other imaginary shit. They will never admit Trump lost because Trump may never admit he lost. Whatever they tell themselves they're a small minority. I think most Trump voters would admit he lost, but the morons with no lives who hitched their hopes and dreams to a babbling con artist are really crushed. Loveconstitution 1989 is hilarious.
Fuck off and die, lefty shit.
I suppose that depends upon how you define fraud.. For the MSMDNC right now, there will never be enough evidence..
I wouldn't be looking to MSNBC. Fox News or the Wall Street journal. You'd think if there was any evidence a pro-Trump source would be all over it.
Fox and WSJ aren't pro-Trump, they are just not overtly pro-Biden
Daily Wire reported a NV election worker, who was told to process ballots without verifying signatures. Their sworn affidavit has already been sent to the DOJ.
Then it'll be investigated and we can see for ourselves.
I will remain skeptical because fraud is unlikely in such a closely watched and scrutinized election, and because Trump and the GOP have been making baseless fraud accusations for years. If there ever is fraud it will be hard to take them seriously because their history. Hell Trump claimed fraud in an election he won!
The Wall Street Journal published an op Ed by Mick Mulvaney saying Trump will commit to a peaceful transition of power when it's time, but now is not the time. The WSJ is not like Fox to be fair. It leans right, but it isn't pro Trump. Mulvaney's op Ed was pure propoganda, but I shouldn't call them pro Trump.
Fox is pro Trump. When you allow Trump to call into your network and give hour long "interviews"(more like monologues) you're pro Trump. CNN is anti-Trump because he's a volatile nutjobs, but they don't let Dem, GOP any politician have basically free reign for an hour.
It's semantics,but they're pro Trump in my opinion. Id say CNN, NBC, and ABC are against Trump, but not in the way Fox is pro Trump. Fox is propoganda for Trump. CNN will say we have problems with Trump because X, Y , Z. It's a tough situation because Trump is such a volatile nutcase.
Fuck off and die, lefty shit.
The election fraud are the mail-in ballots.
Governors cannot demand using them with state legislature authorization.
There are millions of those Republican and Democrat mail-in ballots around the USA. Add in spoiled ballots where Democrats sent in mail-in ballots AND voted in person.
1129 comments.
Biden. LOL.
If unreason would have done 100 Oldmanbad articles about Biden like they do about Trump this would have been a 50 comment article each.
Anything to the DOJ and FBI getting involved?
There is quite a few people at the DOJ that wouldn't mind seeing Trump go..
It's not about Trump of their egos if there's truth to any of this.
So they should just do their damn jobs.
^Exactly!!! The election will be assumed stolen until each state with close vote counts are hand counted and verified by multiple personnel from both sides. Frankly, I can't think of a single excuse why every ballot isn't published on the internet with a total count representing every-one so each and every voter can SEE if their vote was counted correctly and that the total count isn't accurate. Just swap registered voter names with numbers and a verification of legitimacy for each.
"the election will be assumed to be stolen." By the small percentage of Trump fanboys who can't think for themselves and just parrot everything he says. Election officials shouldn't do shit other than what they normally do. Changing procedure just because Trump throws a fit just encourages him and others to do it. If something's fishy or there's evidence of wrongdoing it should be investigated.
Maybe if he hadn't of screamed fraud when there was none four years ago, or before voting even began he'd be taken more seriously.
This was the most closely watched and scrutinized election ever. If there was wrongdoing it will be discovered.
"If there was wrongdoing it will be discovered.", Yes, wrongdoing has already been discovered; some of it was dismissed by district judges, some was corrected and some has yet to be corrected. And until ALL of it (not little pickles of it) gets sorted out it will be assumed MORE exists.
Please elaborate where I can find out about this wrongdoing? Where? What?
First-Hand Account Of Election Fraud In Detroit: ‘They Did Not Want Us To See What Was Happening’
Gateway Pundit example of election fraud whistleblowers
https://www.theepochtimes.com/michigan-countys-updated-results-show-flip-from-biden-to-trump_3568108.html
The glitch in michigan was fixed. If that was the Dems plan to cheat they sure fucked up. A small county that was immediately noticed.
If fraud is so blatant then shouldnt other news outlets report it? Sorry with the fedralists history of falsehoods I'm skeptical of a story that only they seem to have.
And the "software" that was finally *noticed* (keyword) to have glitched in one county but is used across the entire state has been investigated to be legitimate elsewhere or at the very LEAST compared to actual hand counts??????
Such an obvious question seems to find its way into abstinence in lefty-media corruption and manipulation tactics. Oh, look Biden was elected - end of story...... Ya, B.S. And lets not forget about the extra 0 that got tacked on the Biden's count which was *noticed* (keyword) and instantly corrected after getting *noticed* (keyword)......
Now when and how will Biden be replaced?
12:00am 01/21/2021, in the kitchen, with the lead pipe..
I thought Kamala was the one who got pipe laid on her, not the other way around.
She's a switch..
What's not to like about the truimph of senility over idiocy?
Strive to be reasonable in your rejoicing -- Biden coming in to his first term will be every bit as sharp as Reagan departing his second .
Stupidity over TDS?
A LOT, TDS victim.
I would say if he wins, we should let Biden demonstrate what kind of president he is in a political environment where he can't break a lot (means he is balanced by others).
We might be about to get that. I think he will expose himself enough in that case. Blue is not as trendy as they think they are right now.
What idiocy? For all his personal faults, Trump's presidency was quite successful.
Best President in US history and the fact Democrats had to make up Kungful hysteria to commit the largest election fraud in US history shows how successful Trump is being.
Notice Lefties dont understand that Trump has months left even if it is a single term.
Yeah, act like it's a done deal, throw a victory party, start building the transition team, and even pre-releasing the executive orders, all while pretending the news networks have the power to declare the winner.
The count isn't even finished, let alone official, let alone certified. There are recounts ahead and numerous legal challenges, some of which seem to have merit.
And the point that seems to be lost on most is that the news networks don't declare the winner, the Electoral College does, after the vote counts are completed and certified and all the legal challenges are resolved.
Well the media has an interest in pushing it as a safe win so that the riots will be plenty in case it turns out otherwise because facts.
And if it doesn't they had their early victory. Win win. I would do that if I were the left.
Did you all complain when the media projected Trump winning in 2016? As far I can tell Biden and his supporters aren't doing anything different than what Trump and his supporters did. Only difference is we found out 4 days later, Clinton conceded, Obama offered to work with the incoming administration, and all the stuff with Covid.
Trump tried to declare victory Wednesday morning and was talking about stoping voting and counting. Now all of a sudden it's the opposite?
The media and Biden aren't doing anything unprecedented. Trump and his supporters are the ones doing things differently. They refuse to accept the results and a making baselress claims of fraud.
Hillary conceded and there were some close races.
I was knew Trump would win in 2016 based on what was happening around the USA but still a little surprised he won.
The media projected Hillary the winner in 2016. Then they took it back. That is why there were so many tears on national TV.
yup. These Lefties are digging their own graves by doing the election this way. If they just waited and Biden won, so be it.
I see the MSM getting a whiff off dissent and that December 14 might no come soon enough. They are circling the wagons.
They didn't you fucking imbecile. They were still projecting Hillary by 92% on the night of the fucking election. They called states for her before the polls had closed.
Also Trump obliterated the stupid old cunt in such a humiliating landslide that there was no dispute about the results.
I was referring to after the media projected Trump winner lateon election night. Except that Trump didn't win the popular vote in 2016. No one called it a landslide you fucking imbecile.
Thee media and Biden aren't doing anything unusual. It's Trump and his supporters causing trouble. Trump won't concede and keeps making baseless fraud accusations.
Trump's supporters are so goddamn dumb they repeat every dumb thing he says so there making baseless accusations of fraud. The past few days the reason commenters have reached a new level of stupid. Conjecture, unverifiable vague anecdotes, and outright lies are reffered to as "indisputable facts."
Trump needs to concede so his idiot supporters will shut the fuck up.
You poor new unreason dipshit "bot".
The media are liars, so them declaring Biden the winning literally means nothing.
The fact that you lefties are trying so hard to stop the count of all ballots in AZ and review of vote counts is very telling.
I for one look forward to Trump vs Biden coming out a victory for Trump thanks to the 6-3 majority in the SCOTUS.
If only Lefties had shut the fuck up when Hillary conceded.
And Gore conceded.
You Lefties at unreason getting so upset is very telling. You always get upset when a Democrat lie is being pushed and more than 50% of America is not buying it and fights back. You always tip your hats like that.
It's one thing to call the race in 2016 or 2012 when the winner was clear. This year is more like 2000, when the Florida recount went on for weeks and the result was in doubt, except that this time there could be 3 or more recounts simultaneously, along with legal challenges from a President who doesn't stick to the script of gracefully conceding.
I doubt the outcome will change if no significant counting errors or fraud are found, and I doubt any judges at any level will throw out votes cast on time in good faith if any states are found to have changed the rules unlawfully (and I hope they wouldn't throw them out.)
As with all the stuff that blows up in Lefty faces, they have no choice but to declare Biden the winner and hope Americans allow the charade to continue.
Its the largest election fraud scheme in US history and it will be a bigger historical embarrassment for Democrats than when newspapers had Dewey beating Truman.
Lefty propagandists will never learn their lesson and will try this in the future even when it is smacked down in 2020.
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If this is the greatest fraud ever in us election history then you and Trump should have no trouble showing evidence of fraud.
Sorry if people are skeptical considering Trump claimed voter fraud without evidence four years ago.
They have. MSM refuse to report on it. It was mail-in ballots. They are the fraud. Article I, sec 4 only allows state legislatures from changing election laws not Democrats governors.
Add in people sending in mail-in ballots and voting in person, changing vote tallies to benefit Democrats, and refusing to let observers watch counts.
Recounts are being initiated.
Wait, what?
I thought the media, as an official information agency of the ruling class, can only publish sanctioned information. If they say it, it must be true (and the law), right?
Facts at this point don't matter. SCOTUS isn't going to reverse a decision against a narrative already accepted by the American people.
Interestingly, the president of Mexico is taking a more cautious approach.
Its NOT accepted by America. It's accepted by the same dipshit Lefties that accused Kavanaugh of a gang rape, Thomas of rape, and asked Barrett if she was a rapist.
SCOTUS would be fools to think they can appease Democrats. They need to strike while the iron's hot and throw out millions of mail-in ballots for violating Article I, sec 4 because Democrat governors decided to commit election fraud with mail-in ballots because Kungflu.
Be a man for God’s sake. You are embarrassing yourself.
What I meant by "accepted" is that most Americans aren't going to fight over this, not that they believe the left's narrative. And SCOTUS will not risk controversy and a constitutional crisis over this, they'll take the easy way out.
If Trump somehow manages to pull this out of the fire, the first thing he needs to do is land all over the media with both feet. Who the fuck are these people to be calling anything?
At this point, media people disappearing into the back of black vans sounds like a good idea. A really good idea!
For as much as the Marxists at Reason like to declare Trump a fascist dictator, he hasn't jailed, disappeared, or illegally spied on any journalists in his entire time in office. Can't say the same for Obama, who jailed more journalists and whisteblowers than all previous presidents COMBINED, and illegally spied on James Rosen and Sharyl Attkisson
Finally you fascist Trump supporters are showing your true stripes.
TRUMP LOST! Get over it!
Trump and his supporters are acting even more like children then usual.
You know who also went after journalists, academics, entertainers, socialists, and minorities?
Keep quacking like a duck.
Castro. Stalin. Che.
Also: Clinton. Obama. FDR.
But not Trump, right?
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First I saw the headline.
Then I saw it was Billy.
Then I saw almost 1300 comments.
So I was going to pass, but I can't stop myself.
"Goebbels would be so proud"
(At least I can get free mental health care in the camps, if I confess fast enough)
This thread is a complete dumpster fire without CTRL-F. Usenet was better than this.
Yes.
Unpossible. Everyone knows there was no internet until 1996 when Section 230 of an otherwise completely overturned shitstain of a law saved us from the oppression and tyranny of publishing companies being civilly liable for the shit they choose to print.
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Computer errors, recalls and recounts: 5 recent times Wisconsin's elections were full of drama
In one of the hardest-fought state Supreme Court races ever, JoAnne Kloppenburg looked to have a narrow lead over former Republican Assembly Speaker David Prosser. Then, two days after the election, Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nikolaus announced she had found 14,315 votes that she had failed to save on her computer; the new ballot count gave the overall lead to Prosser, by nearly 7,500 votes.
I wonder how many old, unhealthy people Trump infected with covid in swing states.
This thread is a complete dumpster fire without CTRL-F. Usenet was better than this
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I’m having trouble deciding what to wear tomorrow. Should I go with my “I really don’t care do U” jacket or my “fuck your feelings” t-shirt?
If he is actually elected then the Dims will remove him because he is obviously senile. The Dims actually ran a man that is senile for POTUS. That should scream at you like a real fire in a crowded theater.
Just so you know, the media doesn't declare the winner of the presidential election.
This election is just as valid as the last one. Is it possible the party that wanted to remove Trump by any means would consider cheating as a necessary means after two others failed? Yes. But that doesn't mean they did. You would have to prove it.
All election disputes must be resolved by December 8th. It is going to work out as well for Trump as it did Gore.
The smart republican isn't going to act like Hillary fanatics when she lost.
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If only more people in our political discourse had principles, we wouldn't be stuck with retard A and retard B every fucking 4 years, but also if the government had less power people would care less about who is "running" it, since the cudgel of power would be flaccid and weak. As it stands now with the "power" they hold increasing, these political battles feel more and more like winner takes all, increasing the fever pitch.
I didn't ask for the government anal probe.
Why are you so infatuated with ass fucking? You're starting to scare me a little my dear Libertarian friend! It's all going to be ok because we'll all still be here tomorrow whining and complaining. All this will stop the day America is truly free!
A DEMOCRAT IS MOVING INTO THE WHITE HOUSE! IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!
Trump and the GOP had 4 years to do basically whatever they wanted and failed to drain the swap.
At least now, without Trump's toxic personality involved, we can talk about issues like adults again. Trump actually had a couple good ideas, albeit poorly implemented(i.e. containment of China), but rational people couldn't admit it because the dude was an absolute piece of shit.
The thing about politics... it requires a certain decorum because that's how we manage to come together as a society without killing each other. When you violate that unspoken contract, because maybe you're a spoiled rich kid with a tinge of autism who hates anyone who doesn't serve your interests, you break down the system by which we to find common ground. Does that decorum often cover up lies, violence, exploitation, etc? Yes, but it's better than blood filled streets, or at least our society and forefathers seemed to think so.
Keep your kids out of federal building daycare.
Even without the presidency, he remains a wealthy and powerful man
Where will there be any measurable dissent? Federal bureaucrats (outside the military) are like 95% Democrats.
The retards put principles over the takeover of the country by socialist tendencies. Keep thinking otherwise.
We get it sarc. Youre happy a proposed authoritarian who wants to greatly expand ce tral federal government won. Youre happy that the biased media narrative won. Youre happy all the "mistakes" in counting went to the same party.
We get it. Youre an idiot.
Like it was when Trump was in the White House? That's what they all said for the past 4 years.
So trump wasn't under constant investigations that hurt his ability to do things?
'Decorum'. With Biden and Harris? Lol.
Thank you.
Even if Trump and the GOP earnestly tried to "drain the swamp" they would never have been able to do so in a mere 4 years. But they didn't really try and participated in swampy behavior themselves, so...
I suppose that depends on how you define the subjective: failed to drain the swap. I'm reasonably comfortable with what he and Graham have done, and will continue to (for the next ~69 days at least) do with the judicial appointments.
It's hilarious to hear the people who have been calling everyone who disagrees with them racist deplorables while rioting, killing, maiming, and causing over 2 billion dollars of property damage lecture us about how Trump's lack of decorum is responsible for disunity.
The clingers are welcome to investigate. That's the American way.
So far, they have no evidence beyond the delusional muttering of some downscale, superstitious bigots.
If they ever present evidence, it will be time to take the clingers seriously.
I'll enjoy Biden like I enjoyed Trump like I enjoyed Obama like I enjoyed every president back to Carter because it generally makes no difference in how I live my life. Are you going to cry for the next 4 years because JoJo BooBoo is "running" the show? Y'all commenters here are a special bunch.
Well, it didn't seem to affect his golf game. I'm sure if he wasn't under investigation things would have gone swimmingly. He is so very competent after all. The most competent in fact. I'm just sad that the greatest administration since Lincoln will be over in January. I look forward to the next accomplishment of that truly great man. Maybe a news network or a talk show?
woops replying to "The beautiful thing about a Biden/Harris administration will be the efficacy with which they purge the federal bureaucracy of dissent."
Sometimes my copy function doesn't work for some reason.
He was barred by the law and civil service protections. Plus he was a newcomer to D.C., and didn't realize just how daunting the task would be.
His successor---note, I'm not using the word, "President."---won't have many of those problems. This holds up, and Flyover Land just figured out they aren't going to be able to vote, or file a court case, to get them out of Socialism. If indeed, they want to.
You can't tear down pillars of political and social culture, as the Left has been trying for the last 60 years, and still expect the edifice to remain standing. This election is showing people that their vote now matters about as much as a Mexican peasant's does, when you don't vote along with the jefe. No reason to think we won't start governing according to these Third World norms.
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Yes, because I said all that.
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I'm glad you agree the electoral college is demotivating for civil participation.
Nope. Nothing is decided yet. Presidents are not selected by media proclamation. Many court challenges are ongoing. If the courts fail us, the people can put a stop to this.
You progtards started the civil war the day George Floyd died. This is just going to further escalate it.
Cry more about it lololo
The EC is another mechanism for checks and balances. We're not a direct democracy and were never intended to be. Deal with it.
Why am I not surprised you don't like the EC.
Your hero is a senile old man aahahaha
Yes, you did. You're an authoritarian bootlicker. The great part about it is you're going to be among the first lined up against the wall. And as the bullet is penetrating your mostly empty skull, the only thing going through your mind will be how Trump is responsible for it
You really can't come up with a better sock name than Jizz Stain, Tulpa? Man, you are really slipping.
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This guy is unbelievable.
Make it a suburb of Los Angeles?
Big Brother has never been more dominant
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
If Hillary couldn't get indicted, can't nobody in DC get indicted.
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