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The Justice Department Sees 'Anarchy' Overtaking New York City. If Only That Were Remotely True.

The Big Apple is practically a black hole of overpolicing and regulation.

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Today, the Department of Justice declared that New York City, Seattle, and Portland, Oregon, are "permitting anarchy, violence, and destruction."

This isn't just about Attorney General William Barr happily assisting President Donald Trump's re-election efforts by escalating attacks on urban centers. This is yet another attempt to manipulate federal spending on cities in ways that shift the boundaries between the executive branch and Congress.

The Justice Department has been trying to do something similar with "sanctuary" cities and states, where local law enforcement declines to help the federal government enforce immigration law. Federal courts had been ruling against the administration's efforts to withhold grants from these jurisdictions, on the grounds that the power to dictate these grants' terms lies in Congress, not the Department of Justice. But in February the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit found in favor of the administration, and that may lead to a possible Supreme Court showdown.

Trump released a memo September 2 ordering Barr to identify "anarchist jurisdictions," defined as places whose leaders have reduced funding to police departments or forbidden police from "intervening to restore order amid widespread or sustained violence or destruction." The memo gives Barr the power to declare a jurisdiction to be in anarchy based on whatever guidelines he "deems appropriate."

Now that Barr has named these three cities, the Office of Management and Budget is supposed to examine all the federal grants these cities receive, to see if the feds can punish the towns by pulling funds.

The idea that New York City resembles an "anarchy"—or that any city has become an anarchy due to this summer's spike in crimes and riots—is fundamentally absurd. It is true that New York City, like many major American cities, has seen a spike this summer in gun violence and homicide. But by historical standards, the overall violent crime rate remains fairly low. We aren't exactly in The Purge yet.

Nor is New York anarchist in the ideological sense of the word. The place still has plenty of oppressive policing and regulation. New York state recently banned flavored e-cigarettes, and it still has not managed to hammer out a plan for marijuana legalization. City health officials even banned the use of cannabidiol (CBD) in food and drinks, even though CBD itself is legal to sell and consume in the Big Apple.

Is it anarchy when state liquor inspectors raid a Staten Island pub right after it files suit against the city and state over oppressive lockdown regulations? Is it anarchy when New York City cops beat up a homeless man on a train for taking up more than one seat on a mostly empty subway train? (One positive result of this summer's angry police protests: They finally pushed New York state to change the laws that concealed records of police misconduct from the public.)

New York City's school system actually does appear to be in anarchy, if only because its administration, apparently beholden to the teachers unions, abruptly canceled plans to reopen schools this week. The problem here is not, as Barr claims in his release today, that the schools have booted the police out.

New York City's leadership regularly treats its citizens like subjects. The point of the protests was, in part, to highlight the oppressive impact of overpolicing on New York's poorest. At times New York Police responded by aggressively assaulting and arresting the peaceful protesters while others rioted unabated.

But the Justice Department thinks New York didn't bust enough heads, and it doesn't like that the city said no when the federal government offered to come in and bust even more heads. Barr's summary today complains that "the Manhattan and Brooklyn District Attorneys have declined to prosecute charges of disorderly conduct and unlawful assembly arising from the protests, and the District Attorneys in Queens and the Bronx have declined to prosecute other protest-related charges." Note that the complaint doesn't say prosecutors have refused to charge people who engaged in actual violent or destructive rioting (which is a separate law in New York from disorderly conduct).

The New York Post makes it clear this is all about appeasing the president. Washington, D.C.—where the feds pepper-sprayed protesters so that Trump could get a photo opp. in front of a church—was also reportedly going to be on the list but was removed because Mayor Muriel Bowser "made peace with Trump" in a recent phone call.

If only New York City were an anarchy. The citizens there could use a little less government looming over everything they do.

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96 responses to “The Justice Department Sees 'Anarchy' Overtaking New York City. If Only That Were Remotely True.

  1. Nor is New York anarchist in the ideological sense of the word. The place still has plenty of oppressive policing and regulation. New York state recently banned flavored e-cigarettes, and it still has not managed to hammer out a plan for marijuana legalization.

    Trust me, these are the rules that will be kept in place and aggressively enforced while a Trotskyist mob burns your business and kills you for your perceived political beliefs.

    1. Yes, but to be fair, the right wing anarchists are little different. The radical AnCaps would abolish all government except those police necessary to stop the bankers and their fractional reserves. They won’t say so explicitly, but they will thump the table quite loudly about how criminal it is. So they want the state or someone to stop voluntary exchanges between third parties.

      It’s the same. Most anarchists assume that something will step in to impose the society ordering that they imagine anarchy will bring. That something is the state.

      1. The radical AnCaps would abolish all government except those police necessary to stop the bankers and their fractional reserves.

        Actually, the radical AnCaps reject bankers and fractional reserves. They also reject police in all forms and rely on private security.

        It’s the same. Most anarchists assume that something will step in to impose the society ordering that they imagine anarchy will bring. That something is the state.

        By definition, AnCaps assume that that something is private enterprises. That’s not an outrageous assumption either: that’s how many societies used to function.

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      2. “The radical AnCaps would abolish all government except those police necessary to stop the bankers and their fractional reserves.”

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        Anarcho-capitalists advocate for the abolition of the state, not “all government.” If you don’t know the difference between the state and government, you have no business commenting on what AnCaps would or wouldn’t do.

        Regarding fractional reserve banking, that is not an issue in a society with competing currencies and competing banking systems. Many libertarians, even minarchists, call for the abolition of fractional reserve banking in the context of the current system.

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  2. Shackford seems to be willfully missing the point that a jurisdiction having a byzantine morass of regulations can still be an anarchy if their public officials are refusing to protect citizens from property crimes like looting and arson, assaults and disturbing the peace.

    1. Scott Shackford wouldn’t last 5 seconds in real anarchy.
      He’d be killed immediately, or at some point after serving as someone’s slave

      1. He’d be killed immediately, or at some point after serving as someone’s slave

        Probably while smarmily explaining to his executioner that:

        “We aren’t exactly in The Purge yet.”

        “Oh, really?” BANG!

        I know that I wouldn’t be able to resist the urge to end the smug son of a bitch who wrote shit like that so soon after a real man like Jake Gardner took his own life after being hounded out of business and threatened by the raving lunatics on the left for defending himself and his father from mob violence.

      2. At first I thought you’re about to say that he wouldn’t last 5 seconds in reality… cause that would be equally true.

    2. “jurisdiction having a byzantine morass of regulations can still be an anarchy if their public officials are refusing to protect citizens from property crimes like looting and arson, assaults and disturbing the peace.”

      No, it can’t be anarchy if there is a ruler/state.

      1. It certainly can be anarchy, just not your Utopian version of Anarchy.

        1. Not of definitions matter.

      2. I am an antichrist
        I am an anarchist
        Dont know what I want but
        I know how to get it
        I wanna destroy the passer by cos i

        I wanna be anarchy !
        No dogs body

        Anarchy for the u.k its coming sometime and maybe
        I give a wrong time stop a trafic line
        Your future dream is a shopping scheme cos i

        I wanna be anarchy !
        In the city

        How many ways to get what you want
        I use the best I use the rest
        I use the enemy I use anarchy cos i

        I wanna be anarchy !
        The only way to be !

        Is this the m.p.l.a
        Or is this the u.d.a
        Or is this the i.r.a
        I thought it was the u.k or just
        Another country
        Another council tenancy

        I wanna be an anarchist
        Oh what a name
        Get pissed destroy !

    3. Not really. Poorly governed, yes, but not fitting the definition of anarchy at all. Especially, if we are taking about the anarchy classification being used for official Federal government purposes.

  3. If only New York City were an anarchy. The citizens there could use a little less government looming over everything they do.

    That’s the libertarian definition of anarchy. The real historical definition is a temporary power vacuum that’s rapidly filled with something very unsavory.

    1. This is not sitting well with me either. When laws are arbitrarily enforced based on the dictates of a violent mob, anarchy is a better description than any other. In Portland and Seattle, there is way too much footage of street justice, up to and including execution, being handed out by Antifa folks to deny the claim.

      1. While every institution, from all the major media, huge corporations, the mayor’s office, the governor’s office, the city council supports it. These last few months have been some of the most disturbing to watch in my lifetime.

        Here’s how Newsweek characterized a mob outside a man’s home because he had a Trump sign. The article is chock-full of ‘someone said/he’s a racist’ with zero evidence provided. Very disturbing video, and the cops kick in HIS door and arrest him.

        1. I am just dead tired of the ‘racist language excuses all behavior’ apologists. Racist now means all of the derogatory things (stupid, inhuman, evil) that nigger ever meant and is used in the same way, to dehumanize, damage reputation, and incite a mob against the target.

          1. “racist” is the mic drop for Progressives. There can be no further argument once someone is called racist.

        2. “People just moved in next door and have to live next to this ignorance.”

          JFC

    2. Actually, the real real definition goes all the way back to the word’s original Greek meaning, which was: “no ruler.” The term was perverted and applied to socialists in the 1800s.

      1. The Utopian view of socialism suggest there will be “no ruler”. Just never…quite works out that way.

        1. You cannot get rid of strongman until the people shed their false consciousness that they have needs outside the good of the collective.

        2. “The Utopian view of socialism suggest there will be ‘no ruler’. Just never…quite works out that way.”

          That’s incorrect. According to Marxist ideology, socialism is a transitory state between a capitalist and communism society and that eventually the state would “wither away.” As you’ve noted, that transition has never happened.

      2. We just need the right people not in charge

        1. That got a genuine chuckle out of me.

        2. for this, I will happily volunteer.

  4. Best of both worlds, a business can be fined out the ass for violating Affirmative action and then burned down by a howling mob.

    Yea, definitely vote Dem.

    1. And almost no one in the howling mob will be arrested, and the infinitesimally small number that are arrested will be released without charge. And if you brandish any weapon in an attempt to defend you, your family family, livelihood, property or combination thereof, you will be prosecuted with the full weight and force of the law. So Scott is 100% right, New York, Seattle, Portland etc., aren’t anywhere near anarchy.

      1. True that. If anyone gets a glimpse of anything that looks even remotely like a weapon in Seattle, you’re on the way to the King County Jail, no questions asked.

    2. How many businesses have the “howling mob” of leftist burnt down in NYC?
      Barr clearly wants to outlaw the first amendment…
      This has been the fascist playbook for the last 100 years.

  5. The theme of this year’s Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade is Kristallnacht on Ice.

    1. Kristallnacht on Ice should be garnished with a sugar cube and a lime wedge.

      /Some dimwit bartender who got elected to Congress.

      1. she’d have to look it up.

  6. I see that the article defends New York, but not Portland, against the accusation of “anarchy.”

    Or I suppose I should say “anarchy for some [bourgeois, kulaks, wreckers] and tyranny for others [sellers of loose cigarettes, etc.]”

  7. So, according to Shackford, the fact that the city allows angry mobs to burn and loot any business they like isn’t really anarchy and presumably no big deal because the said city will come and fine you for breaking any one of their enormous number of laws and regulations.

    I suppose as a technical matter that isn’t “anarchy” if you define it as the complete absence of government and law. Only someone as stupid and dishonest as Shackford, however, could think that is a point worth making or of any significance whatsoever.

    1. Well it’s not.

      It’s chaos. Chaos isn’t anarchy.

      1. Anarcho tyranny that is linked by Dude24 is the best description of it.

      2. Chaos is a lack of order, and one historical usage of “anarchy” as a political matter is the absence of consistent law & order. See “The Anarchy” period in English history.

      3. “Chaos isn’t anarchy.”

        Not always and everywhere. But that does not preclude anarchy being chaos.

    2. No true Scotsman’s anarchy I suppose…

  8. Well, I guess Shackford is sort of right on this one. It’s only anarchy for leftist peaceful protesters. Everyone else still gets the boot on their face.

    1. “Francis’s term “anarcho-tyranny” refers to … a Hegelian synthesis when the state tyrannically or oppressively regulates citizens’ lives yet is unable to enforce fundamental protective law.[21][22] Commentators have invoked the term in reference to situations when governments focus on weapon confiscation instead of stopping looters.”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_T._Francis#Thought_and_legacy

      1. That’s exactly what’s happening in New York right now. So is Shackford only half right for focusing on the tyranny part of anarco-tyranny?

        1. I guess so.

  9. Don’t be thick, Shackford. The anarchy here obviously refers to NYC unwillingness to crack down on rioting and violent crime, not overregulation in other areas of life.

    1. He is not being thick. He is just being dishonest. Lying is what he does.

      1. Shackford is the dumbest male writer here ever and there’s not a close second. I bet he really thinks “that guy says ‘anarchy’ but there’s actually another definition of ‘anarchy'” is a really deep point.

  10. I think they should pull Federal funding anyway. See how it goes. Consider it a pilot program to test pulling Federal funding of everything at the state level.

    I mean JFC, why are we paying taxes to the federal government to have them turn around and give the money back – minus a cut and with strings?

    1. “I mean JFC, why are we paying taxes to the federal government to have them turn around and give the money back – minus a cut and with strings?”

      Because Congress (both sides of the aisle) let’s the federal government do exactly that. According to some, the federal government is capable of performing all its essential functions with funding at somewhere around 5% t0 8% of GDP.

      1. all its essential functions with funding at somewhere around 5% t0 8% of GDP.

        Who are the ‘some’ that defined ‘essential’?

        1. The court system, military (if for defense only, a pretty small budget item), congress, some departmental oversight of interstate projects, etc.

          1. In 1915, alcohol and tobacco taxes, alone, supplied two-thirds of the federal budget. Ninety-percent of the rest of the income came from customs duties.

            1. There was a time when alcohol and tobacco was 90% of my budget. Hmm.

  11. Barr’s summary today complains that “the Manhattan and Brooklyn District Attorneys have declined to prosecute charges of disorderly conduct and unlawful assembly arising from the protests, and the District Attorneys in Queens and the Bronx have declined to prosecute other protest-related charges.” Note that the complaint doesn’t say prosecutors have refused to charge people who engaged in actual violent or destructive rioting (which is a separate law in New York from disorderly conduct).

    So, can you point to anyone charged with rioting related charges in New York? How many people so charged vs the number of people arrested?

  12. Shackford, how many times have you been to NYC in the last 30 days. I mean, you should at least tell us your eyewitness account.
    Lower Manhattan is a fucking mess. Fifth avenue, with all the boarded up windows, looks like Detroit.

  13. “The Justice Department Sees ‘Anarchy’ Overtaking New York City. If Only That Were Remotely True.
    The Big Apple is practically a black hole of overpolicing and regulation.

    Sorry Scott, New York is both anarchic and a black hole of regulation.
    Those aren’t mutually exclusive concepts.

  14. Shackford reminds me of Kevin Bacon’s character screaming “ALL IS WELLLLLL!!!”

  15. The people of NYC are determining the level of anarchy in the city by moving en-masse out of the city. This is going to continue until the city government does what it is supposed to do instead of doing just about everything else.

    The only thing similar between the City Government and Trump is that both won’t win this and neither will get even one marginal voter to show up at the polls for them by their behavior. Both parties are working to make the city less livable and doing a bang up job of that.

  16. Criteria for evaluating each city is below:

    Whether a jurisdiction forbids the police force from intervening to restore order amid widespread or sustained violence or destruction.
    Whether a jurisdiction has withdrawn law enforcement protection from a geographical area or structure that law enforcement officers are lawfully entitled to access but have been officially prevented from accessing or permitted to access only in exceptional circumstances, except when law enforcement officers are briefly withheld as a tactical decision intended to resolve safely and expeditiously a specific and ongoing unlawful incident posing an imminent threat to the safety of individuals or law enforcement officers.
    Whether a jurisdiction disempowers or defunds police departments.
    Whether a jurisdiction unreasonably refuses to accept offers of law enforcement assistance from the Federal Government.
    Any other related factors the Attorney General deems appropriate.

    New York City

    Shootings in New York City have been on the rise since looting and protests began on or about May 28, 2020. For July 2020, shootings increased from 88 to 244, an increase of 177% over July 2019. In August 2020, shootings increased from 91 to 242, a 166% increase over August 2019.
    While the city faced increased unrest, gun violence, and property damage, the New York City Council cut $1 billion from NYPD’s FY21 budget.
    The budget resulted in the cancellation of the new police recruiting class, cuts to overtime spending, and the transfer of certain police functions, including school safety, out of the NYPD.
    Meanwhile, the Manhattan and Brooklyn District Attorneys have declined to prosecute charges of disorderly conduct and unlawful assembly arising from the protests, and the District Attorneys in Queens and the Bronx have declined to prosecute other protest-related charges.
    Both Mayor de Blasio and Governor Cuomo have forcefully rejected federal law enforcement support.

    It’s not that hard to read the actual document.

    Now, is this “anarchy”? Well, within the meaning of the memorandum, the DoJ offers an argument that it is. Whether or not it fits some other definition of “anarchy” is beside the point.

    Is Trump doing this just to fuck with cities he doesn’t like? Almost certainly, but any excuse to quit the fucked-up, stupid practice of federal block grants to cities and states suits me just fine. Why should I, as a federal taxpayer, be subsidizing New Yorkers and their lifestyle just so they can turn around and pay taxes that subsidize me? It makes no sense except in the sense that it fools people into believing the horseshit that we can all live at each other’s expense. New York City and New York State have just as much taxing authority as the federal government – if they want shit, let them pay for it their own goddamn selves.

    And the idea that Trump is doing this just to enhance his election chances – well, no shit. All politicians want to be re-elected and the way to get re-elected is to do things people like and not do things people don’t like. How is this some sort of revelation of ulterior motives?

    At least Trump is still maintaining a hands-off approach to dealing with this shit – the minute he touches it, he’s going to own it. They made this mess, let them deal with it.

  17. Anarchy in NYC, no, well not yet..but cesspool, absolutely. Homeless, in gigantic numbers are everywhere, and aggressively panhandling.
    Empty trains, buses, skyscrapers. One half of all bars and restaurants shuttered. Dead rats, birds, all other disgusting creatures found all over the place. Dead bodies on rivers. All kinds of shootings. Wait a minute, yes, it is anarchy…

    1. NYC has been that way since the 1970’s…
      Barr wants to outlaw the 1st amendment.

      1. Care to expand on this comment? How is Barr trying to outlaw the 1st amendment? Where do you morons come from? I fear you are as stupid as Tony and Jeffy.

    2. I live in Midtown East and spend most of my time in Midtown these days, though I do take walks up and down the East River. I am not seeing any mobs, anarchists, store-burnings, aggressive pan-handlers, or in fact rats (dead or alive) or dead bodies. And I hate all of those things. NYC is till 10,000% cleaner and safer than it was in the 1970s. I know – I spent a lot of time in New York in the 70s and 80s when I was a child because my older brother went to NYU and my cousins and uncle all lived in the Village. I heard about people breaking store windows in Soho and that is appalling. I definitely want to police to crack down hard on that stuff. But I don’t believe that we New Yorkers collectively will ever tolerate people turning this town into a Portland. There are too many moneyed people here to put up with that. The kind of people who move to Portland, even those who do relatively well financially, tend to be more tolerant of Leftist excesses.
      New Yorkers aren’t going to let people trash the place we live in, even if we are liberal.

    3. While I don’t live in NYC, I am an enthusiastic fan of YouTuber Louis Rossmann, who lives in NYC, frequently films himself biking around the city or to and from work, and is a great source of information on Manhattan. I wouldn’t describe the situation as anarchy, but it is undeniably badly congested, the streets littered with uncollected garbage. As a bicyclist Mr. Rossmann frequently has to contend with the narrow streets of NYC, made even narrower by omnipresent bike lanes, which are often blocked by traffic. It makes roads in California look positively palatial.

  18. Designate the executive branch as a terrorist organization for the negligent homicide of 2000,000 Americans.

    1. Pure stupidity.

    2. That’s not a real number.

    3. Cuomo publicly executed?

  19. Cops shot a grand total of 15 unarmed blacks last year. Crime stats suggest that police related fatalities are declining and that hate crime claim a microscopic amount of lives in any given year.

    So using Shackford’s logic, I could dismiss concerns about police misconduct with a wave of the hand. The odds of of me (an Asian) getting shot by “militarized cops”, or even seeing one on the streets is so microscopically small that I should actually worry more about getting killed by a mass shooter or black urban youth.

    And those drug users put in prison? Yeah, less than 1% of them were there for JUST using drugs prior to partial legalization. Hey, can you guys name a friend or relative who was beaten to death to by drug warriors? The drug war must be fake too.

    This is silly semantics from smart people who should know better. A state is in anarchy when its government sends infected covid patients to nursing homes and kill 33 thousand people. When a city that typically saw 30 murders a year suddenly witness that much in 4 months (at a time when police response is hampered) then it becomes a concern. I can’t call federal spending as anarchy because America isn’t a picture of a sci fi dystopia?

    What is the logical result of local government either not addressing lawlessness or coddling protests? Remember when Covid was another flu and the all the top men assured us that it was safe to go to Chinatown?

  20. “The measure of the state’s success is that the word anarchy frightens people, while the word state does not.” – Joseph Sobran
    “Anarchists did not try to carry out genocide against the Armenians in Turkey; they did not deliberately starve millions of Ukrainians; they did not create a system of death camps to kill Jews, gypsies, and Slavs in Europe; they did not fire-bomb scores of large German and Japanese cities and drop nuclear bombs on two of them; they did not carry out a Great Leap Forward that killed scores of millions of Chinese; they did not attempt to kill everybody with any appreciable education in Cambodia; they did not launch one aggressive war after another; they did not implement trade sanctions that killed perhaps 500,000 Iraqi children. In debates between anarchists and statists, the burden of proof clearly should rest on those who place their trust in the state. Anarchy’s mayhem is wholly conjectural; the state’s mayhem is undeniably, factually horrendous.” ~Robert Higgs

    1. How can anarchy avoid being a vacuum which gets filled by one or more strongmen (I mean strongpersons)?

  21. Anyone can search Google News Archive and learn that for over a century and a half anarchist, anarchiste, anarquista have all meant “violent communist.” Wikipedia looters of course deny this, but it was only AFTER 1972 that communists decided to tell libertarians how to act and do politics. A few have infiltrated the platform committee and since 2016 endeavored to make the platform stink to repel voters. As parasites on the LP rather than forming an anarchist party these saboteurs are wrecking the only non-looter voting alternative ever.

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  23. No it isn’t anarchy but it’s the correct to deny cities funds for doing things like this while letting violent criminals run through the city committing acts of violence.

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  25. I would look me to see if he Feds come in and quell the riots, fires and looting.
    I would like the Feds to charge those who harrassinnocent diners at restaurants.
    I would like to see felons in possession of firearms prosecuted by the Feds even after kids shoot the felons biceps in self defense.
    I would like to see prosecutors removed who charge citizens who defend themselves.
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  29. This says it all:
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