Second Amendment

Hillary Clinton's Second Amendment

Why abolish it when you can ignore it?


Accepting the National Rifle Association's endorsement last week, Donald Trump warned that Hillary Clinton "wants to abolish the Second Amendment." CNN corrected him, noting that Clinton "has never called for the abolition of the 2nd Amendment."

Although that's technically true, Clinton has done what amounts to the same thing. She has interpreted the Second Amendment so narrowly that it imposes no practical limits on gun control laws, and that interpretation is sure to guide her Supreme Court nominations if she is elected president.

On the same day that Trump addressed the NRA, one of Clinton's policy advisers told Bloomberg Politics the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee disagrees with District of Columbia v. Heller, the 2008 decision in which the Supreme Court overturned the District's handgun ban. The adviser, Maya Harris, said, "Clinton believes Heller was wrongly decided in that cities and states should have the power to craft commonsense laws to keep their residents safe."

Since Heller is the first case in which the Supreme Court explicitly recognized that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to armed self-defense, that statement is roughly equivalent to saying, "Trump believes Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided in that cities and states should have the power to craft commonsense laws to protect unborn children." Just as supporters of abortion rights would be justified in reading the latter statement as a rejection of their position, supporters of gun rights are justified in reading Clinton's statement as a rejection of theirs.

Clinton confirms her hostility to gun rights by glossing over the details of the D.C. law that the Supreme Court overturned. That law, which was the strictest of its kind in the country, not only banned handguns, the most popular type of weapon for self-defense, but required that long guns be disassembled and unloaded or disabled by a trigger lock.

As the Court recognized, the latter rule made it impossible for D.C. residents to use even shotguns or rifles "for the core lawful purpose of self-defense." But to Clinton, the D.C. ban was an eminently reasonable "safe storage law," a paradigmatic example of "commonsense" gun control.

If the District's limits on gun possession negated "the core lawful purpose" of the Second Amendment, you might wonder, why would a candidate who claims to respect the Second Amendment (as Clinton intermittently does) say they should have been upheld? Possibly because she does not think the Second Amendment has anything to do with self-defense.

"I know how important gun ownership, and particularly hunting, is here in northeastern Pennsylvania," Clinton told supporters in Dunmore last month. Regarding her gun control agenda, she said, "responsible gun owners have to stand up and say, 'This has nothing to do with my guns, my hunting, my sport shooting, my collecting.'"

Self-defense is conspicuously absent from Clinton's list of legitimate things people do with guns. The Australian government, whose mass confiscations of firearms Clinton admires, takes a similar view. Australians must demonstrate a "genuine reason" for owning a gun, and personal protection does not count.

But Australia has no Second Amendment. Clinton's campaign website mentions the Second Amendment a dozen times (compared to more than 800 mentions on Trump's site), not once in the context of self-defense.

Three of those references to the Second Amendment criticize people for taking it too seriously. After a mass shooting in Oregon last fall, for instance, Clinton rejected the NRA's "single-minded, absolutist theology about the Second Amendment being sacrosanct," saying "every constitutional right and amendment can be tailored in an appropriate way without breaching the Constitution."

Actually, it's government policy that has to be "tailored" so that it does not breach the Constitution. Restrictions on speech, for instance, must be "narrowly tailored" to serve a compelling government interest.

Rather than trim her policy agenda to fit the Constitution, Clinton wants to trim the Constitution to fit her policy agenda. "We have to make this a voting issue," she says. I agree.

© Copyright 2016 by Creators Syndicate Inc.

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  1. Not sure where the 2nd amendment mentions anything about firearm ownership being integral to hunting, sport shooting, or collecting.

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    2. If they’d only let Nicolas Cage squirt lemon juice on the Constitution, you’d see that collecting and heavily-regulated hunting are the only reasons for you provencial rubes to own firearms.

    3. But enough of what the Second Amendment says; what it means is ….

    4. They will understand the self defense part better if they try to take the guns…

  2. The stupid Constitution, even in the hands of ultra-deferential judges, might possibly slightly impede all sorts of stuff Mrs. Clinton has in mind for our nation. With this election including the bonus of a fresh Supreme Court appointment, a vote for Mrs. Clinton is a vote to make the Constitution a better fit for today’s modern, progressive and helpful government.

    Every old thing can always use a little sprucing up, and some of the increasingly irrelevant “protections” such as freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, the requirement for warrants to perform searches, due process, etc, can be tweaked and updated a little bit to allow the government to function more efficiently, saving us many taxpayer dollars.

    Not Ready For Hillary yet? What are you, some kind of far right wing racist transphobic domestic terrorist? Yeah, I thought so.

    1. Clinton is a cunt. All three of them.

      1. Could not have said it better myself.


  3. “Let’s take majority wins votes to see which natural rights we can take away from each other!”

  4. a candidate who claims to respect the Second Amendment (as Clinton intermittently does)

    “respect: to feel that something is important and should be treated in an appropriate way”

    So, you see — she *does* respect it!

  5. Aw, come on. The 2A specifically says “militia” which is the National Guard. So it doesn’t apply to people. Duh. All reality-based people know this.

    1. You need to interpret “well regulated” and “militia” as they mean in 2016, not 1791. No, you may not ask why; you do because shut up you just do.

      1. you do because shut up you just do

        you do because shut up you racist, sexist reichwing pig

    2. LOL just for laughs I’d like to see a state (especially a “Red” state) openly and with great fanfare activating a real state militia which answers only to the state government, exactly like the proggies say. The proggies would shit gold bricks! Have a cow! Have kittens! That would be quite the summer blockbuster.

      1. The feds would shit bricks as well. That could lead to war. Seriously.

        1. Progressives don’t give a shit about propriety; if said militia were formed to protect [illegal] immigrants, or to enforce public restroom policies, or arrest persons for hate speech, they’d be all for it.

      2. Many states already do. Texas has its own naval militia.

      3. Yep. If the state of Texas were to exercise its plenary militia power and declare all its law-abiding adult citizens to be militia members, and require them to equip themselves with fully automatic M16s, then we would see how loudly the progressives would be screaming.

    3. The joke was on me – I was in the National Guard and still couldn’t own an assault rifle or carry a pistol in NJ

  6. She’s in favor of getting rid of 1A and 2A. Next stop, quartering soldier!

    1. The cops can kick you out of your home and use it for a stake out if they want, and kill you in front of your children if you argue with them about it.

      1. And Hillary will defend that as “common sense,” the sure and certain marker of total bullshit.

        1. Today’s compromise is tomorrow’s loophole that common sense dictates needs to be closed.

          1. Clearly the answer is absolute personal liability for police with regards to their own actions. It’s just common sense.

            Oh wait, my definition of ‘common sense’ and theirs don’t line up do they?

        2. I now refer to it as “cunt sense”, because that’s what it is.

          1. Hillary’s position is a symptom of her ovary action.

        3. Speaking of “common sense,” anybody heard from Gabby lately? She used this term more than anybody and you’d think she’d be the poster girl for it.

    2. All she said was “we can’t let a minority hold an opinion.” How is that wanting to abolish the 1A?! That’s like saying she wants to abolish the 2A because she wants the Australia model of gun confiscation control! If it saves just one life, it’s worth it! You would understand that if you weren’t a teabilly, child-hating rethuglican!


    3. No, providing for soldiers is not at clinton priority, it’ll be more like forced quartering of illegal immigrants, and syrian males between the ages of 18-30.

  7. How many CCW holders, shooters, and hunters in Florida, Ohio, PA, Nevada…?

    Great plan Hillary – preach to the base while losing the general election.

    1. The Dems just don’t seem to be able to help themselves.

      BTW, has H responded to Trump’s suggestion that she disarm her Secret Service escorts?

      1. At the very least, they should agree to keep trigger locks installed until it becomes necessary to start shooting.

    2. Great plan Hillary – preach to the base while losing the general election.

      This is the main reason I’m glad Berntard hasn’t dropped out yet. The longer he stays in the longer Her Cankleness has to delay her “pivot to the center.” Which forces her to have to spout proggie horseshit to keep the base in line, which gives team red that much more ammo to use against her in the general.

      1. And by “pivot to the center” I of course mean “lie through her fucking teeth.”

        1. This is Hillary we are talking about. Lying is her default setting.

  8. Donald Trump warned that Hillary Clinton “wants to abolish the Second Amendment.” CNN corrected him, noting that Clinton “has never called for the abolition of the 2nd Amendment.

    The Donald should issue a correction to their correction: “I didn’t say she called for it, I said she wants to.”

    1. Holding gun manufacturers responsible to law suits for crazies who use guns to kill will abolish the second amendment without having to strike it out of the constitution. Imagine any other industry who would have to comply with this type of crazy. Booze makers for peoples addiction and health issues pertaining to abuse, car industry when people use their vehicles in an irresponsible way (accident or death from drunk driving would be a gold mine).

  9. I’d be fine with Hillary arguing to “abolish” the Second Amendment because (1) amending the Constitution is prohibitively difficult and an amendment like that would never get ratified, and (2) it acknowledges that the government can’t currently disarm the people.

    What concerns me is that Hillary and the Left think they can restrict firearm ownership without abolishing the Second Amendment.

  10. Re Australia: Even the NYT wasn’t able to prove, using the data, that the Australian gun confiscation had worked.

    1. It is estimated that about 19% of Australians have complied with the law.

      1. 19% of the time, it works every time.

  11. The emphasis on “hunting and sports shooting” rather than self defense is strategic. It is much easier to justify stripping people of their right to engage in a “hobby” than it is to strip them of the ability to defend their family from being murdered. When they finally think they have an incident they can use as leverage to ban guns they want the public to see it as a choice between the hobbies of selfish people and the safety of children.

    You can’t do that when a gun is acknowledged as a tool for self defense.

    1. It’s also part of a “divide and conquer” strategy to convince hunters that if they play along their deer rifles will be safe. The hunters who fall for this don’t seem to realize that after the progs are done with “assault weapons” they’re going to be shrilling “nobody needs a ‘sniper’ rifle…that can shoot people from miles and miles away!”

      I think the progs are also trying to take advantage of the fact that many people are uncomfortable with being regarded as “extreme”.

      1. Good point and I would also argue the focus on “assault weapons” is also strategic. After all long guns account for something like 5% of murders. It is almost all handguns that are associated with violence. It is easy to argue that

        “we already banned long guns shouldn’t we close the loophole and ban the guns that are the real problem?”

    2. Although I agree about the strategy, I suspect that the “hunters and sport shooters” thing is backfiring on the antis, big time.

      People envision sport shooting as a bunch of old fucks standing in a line, punching holes in paper at a glacial pace. While those kind of matches exist, the really popular and fast-growing shooting sports are speed-based, and are explicitly geared towards handguns, assault rifles and high-capacity magazines. These games (USPSA, IDPA, and 3-gun) are a hell of a lot of fun, they attract a younger crowd, and people get really invested in them. They’re not going to vote against their own game.

      When all the investment someone has in the gun culture is a .38 in the sock drawer that they haven’t fired in five years, it’s pretty easy to get them to give it up. Getting someone to give up a hobby that they’ve spent hundreds of hours and thousand of dollars on, that’s a different deal altogether.

    3. Emphasis on “self defense” is just as flawed and incorrect as an emphasis on “hunting and sports shooting”.
      None of those are why the 2A was written and placed where it was in priority.

      The 2A solely exists to prevent tyranny of the government… maintain a free state and a free peoples.

      Emphasis on anything else is a lie.

  12. “every constitutional right and amendment can be tailored in an appropriate way without breaching the Constitution.”

    So it’s not just the 2nd ammendment she wants to ignore, but the entire bill of rights. Fuck this mendacious cunt. Fuck her in the ass with a rusty chainsaw. Then feed what’s left of her through a woodchipper.

    1. Best to see through the Oz curtain and vote libertarian. There is nothing slimy looters hate more than votes not wasted in panicked reaction to their virtually identical platforms. The DemoGOP believes in dividing freedom and letting illiterate peasants scratch and scrabble over zero-sum crumbs. The Libertarian platform is to preserve freedom intact. Our 2% spoiler vote can repeal the prohibition and communist income tax amendments the totalitarian 2% spoiler votes added to the Constitution from 1908 through 1920 before the dangers were known.

  13. I mean, if Clinton wants to make gun control a central voting issue, she may as well just hand the election to Trump.

    God help us all any possible way this election goes!

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  15. Fuck. Between this and the DePaul ass-fuckery, my carefully crafted plan to flush my vote in Texas with a vote for Gary Johnson might just change. We need to bury this cunt and her gun grabbing idiocy under an electoral avalanche that makes this a non-issue until the 22nd century.

    Did I just convince myself to vote for Trump…

    1. I live in Texas too. I’ll vote LP if I can, but if needed I will vote Trump to prevent Hillary.

      And Hillary’s stand on guns is the #1 reason why.

  16. Posturing is a useful form of misdirection. All four antichoice political parties want to repeal the 14th amendment just as the Liberal Party urged repeal of the 18th–which was replaced with the moronic 21st Amendment. The new 14th Amendment would start “All ova fertilized…” and generate legal fees when Muskogee bans omelets and sunnyside up. The religious conservative 13th amendment would read “except in furtherance of a pregnancy, irrespective of how initiated…”, and the Conservative First Amendment would protect “the coercive exercise thereof…” –in their dreams!

    Tilting at windmills keeps conversation from straying into whether prohibition enforcement by asset forfeiture looting might have had something to do with the crash of 2007 and the approaching depression ofr which it raised alarms as leper’s bell. The entrenched soft machine certainly wants no loose talk about those recurring flash crashes that expose the economy to major harm whenever prohibitionism justifies armed robbery. Such talk be a gateway precursor to third party spoiler votes leading to repeal of mixed-economy looting by men with guns and immunity from prosecution.

  17. Eliminating the Second Amendment would be nearly impossible. What Her Thighness would like to do is effectively eliminate the Second Amendment by regulating it out of existence. You would still have a Second Amendment but the licenses, fees, and bureaucratic Gordian Knot would make it impossible to exercise.

    1. Or perhaps get the kids in the back seat to shut up by hollering “look! a deer!” GOP and dem infiltrators here are the ones with bleeding ulcers over mixed economy posturing at imminent destruction of select rights that will disappear AFTER the next major bolide impact mass-extinction. Surely libertarians have sense enough to see through such cheap parlor tricks… surely?

  18. Marxists and Islamists who infect our federal government plus the media whores who protect them will gleefully lie, falsify, fabricate, slander, libel, deceive, delude, bribe, and treasonably betray the free citizens of the United States into becoming an unarmed population. Unarmed populations have been treated as slaves and chattel since the dawn of history.

    The Second Amendment foes lying about gun control – Firearms are our constitutionally mandated safeguard against tyranny by a powerful federal government.

    Only dictators, tyrants, despots, totalitarians, and those who want to control and ultimately to enslave you support gun control.

    No matter what any president, senator, congressman, or hard-left mainstream media whores tell you concerning the statist utopian fantasy of safety and security through further gun control: They are lying. If their lips are moving, they are lying about gun control. These despots truly hate America..

    American Thinker

    1. These tyrants hate freedom, liberty, personal responsibility, and private property. But the reality is that our citizens’ ownership of firearms serves as a concrete deterrent against despotism. They are demanding to hold the absolute power of life and death over you and your family. Ask the six million Jews, and the other five million murdered martyrs who perished in the Nazi death camps, how being disarmed by a powerful tyranny ended any chances of fighting back. Ask the murdered martyrs of the Warsaw Ghetto about gun control.

      Their single agenda is to control you after you are disarmed. When the people who want to control you hold the absolute power of life and death over your family, you have been enslaved.

      Will we stand our ground, maintaining our constitutionally guaranteed Second Amendment rights, fighting those who would enslave us?

      American Thinker

  19. The 2nd Amendment ain’t about hunting, or plinking.

    1. It’s primarily about retaining some ability to overthrow the government if it ever comes down to that. However, this does not mean it does not also apply to other uses of “arms” such as hunting or target shooting.

  20. I think that Cities and States should have the right to keep their citizens safe too.

    Such as being able to pass laws that would round up illegals and remove them.

    To keep criminals and thugs in prison for a lot longer.

    To issue law abiding citizens with guns and ammo to fight crime and protect themselves.

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  24. Hillary Clinton isn’t a fan of the First Amendment either:

    Hillary Clinton Equates Gun Control Opponents With Terrorists

    During a CNN “town hall” yesterday, Hillary Clinton said she was disappointed that Congress did not pass new gun control legislation following the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre in December 2012. “I believe that we need a more thoughtful conversation,” said the former secretary of state and presumptive presidential candidate. “We cannot let a minority of people?and that’s what it is, it is a minority of people?hold a viewpoint that terrorizes the majority of people.”

    Evidently Clinton’s idea of a more thoughtful conversation about gun control involves equating disagreement with terrorism while claiming some opinions are so dangerous that “we cannot let” people hold them.

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